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Title: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: ebacoids on January 03, 2017, 06:15:37 PM
Sino dito nakapag gig na gamit 5-15 watt tube amp at saan? Was it too loud or too soft? Did you run it distorted or clean? How's the clean headroom when using small amps in the normal bar ie. saguijo or route 196? Anong genre ng tugtugan niyo?
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Skybox on January 04, 2017, 06:20:40 AM
Sino dito nakapag gig na gamit 5-15 watt tube amp at saan? Was it too loud or too soft? Did you run it distorted or clean? How's the clean headroom when using small amps in the normal bar ie. saguijo or route 196? Anong genre ng tugtugan niyo?
a 15 watt tube amp will be more than enough for saguijo and route. below that, I don't think the clean headroom will be enough, but definitely it will be loud enough as long as it is paired with good speakers.
I've seen guys playing in open areas using a 15 watt tube head going into a 1x12 cab and he sounded just fine.
yung 15watt tube mo, enough na yan kahit 70's bistro pa.
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Skybox on January 04, 2017, 12:38:36 PM
a 15 watt tube amp will be more than enough for saguijo and route. below that, I don't think the clean headroom will be enough, but definitely it will be loud enough as long as it is paired with good speakers.
I've seen guys playing in open areas using a 15 watt tube head going into a 1x12 cab and he sounded just fine.
yung 15watt tube mo, enough na yan kahit 70's bistro pa.
Do they mic cabs sa 70's Bistro bro?
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on January 04, 2017, 12:44:08 PM
They do, but it doesn't really help dahil hindi maganda yng house speakers. barely na nga maririnig yung bokalist, imamic pa si gitarista. best talga to bring an amp sa 70's. one that is loud enough.
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: ebacoids on January 04, 2017, 05:39:22 PM
na try niyo na po ba mag gig with a tweed champ or clone?
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: fretzburner on January 04, 2017, 09:58:12 PM
Tried my cub10 on a gymnasium using DIY cabsim direct to FOH and sounded fine but at the stage as a monitor very weak. maybe 1x12 ext.cab is sufficient for stage monitor purposes.
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: kevinmax on January 04, 2017, 10:23:41 PM
Used a blackstar ht5 sa isang gymnasium, pag naka 75% ang volume nya and practice dun sa venue e malakas sya. But nung event na mismo and napapalakas na ang palo ng drummer and volume ng lahat e hindi ko na nadidinig ung amp ko. Hehe.
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Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Skybox on January 05, 2017, 09:11:23 AM
Used a blackstar ht5 sa isang gymnasium, pag naka 75% ang volume nya and practice dun sa venue e malakas sya. But nung event na mismo and napapalakas na ang palo ng drummer and volume ng lahat e hindi ko na nadidinig ung amp ko. Hehe.
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Naka Mic yung amp mo and yung drums bro? May monitors kayo?
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Queroberos on January 05, 2017, 09:22:26 AM
Depends on the venue pero most of the time bitin ang 15 watts. Lunod yan sa drummer. Best bet is buy a pre-amp pedal or EQ if you want to bring your "home" tone outside. I've seen people gigging with Joyo pre-amp pedals na rekta sa PA and they sound great.
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on January 05, 2017, 09:27:09 AM
Depends on the venue pero most of the time bitin ang 15 watts. Lunod yan sa drummer. Best bet is buy a pre-amp pedal or EQ if you want to bring your "home" tone outside. I've seen people gigging with Joyo pre-amp pedals na rekta sa PA and they sound great.
tube amp, 15 watts, 12 inch speaker? bitin pa rin? that drummer is a monster then.
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Skybox on January 05, 2017, 10:41:13 AM
Depends on the venue pero most of the time bitin ang 15 watts. Lunod yan sa drummer. Best bet is buy a pre-amp pedal or EQ if you want to bring your "home" tone outside. I've seen people gigging with Joyo pre-amp pedals na rekta sa PA and they sound great.
tube amp, 15 watts, 12 inch speaker? bitin pa rin? that drummer is a monster then.
The difference between a 15 watt and a 30 watt amp is only 3db which is pretty hard to perceive by the human ear. The only difference is the 15 watt amp will break up sooner.
Baka may Fender Princeton owners dito who can share their experience. I never thought the 15W 1x10 Princeton has ever been "bitin".
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on January 05, 2017, 10:51:00 AM
The difference between a 15 watt and a 30 watt amp is only 3db which is pretty hard to perceive by the human ear. The only difference is the 15 watt amp will break up sooner.
Baka may Fender Princeton owners dito who can share their experience. I never thought the 15W 1x10 Princeton has ever been "bitin".
exactly my point. because I am a drummer as well, and a very heavy hitter at that (got kicked out of a band because of that), and i'm pretty sure I cant get any louder than a 15 watt tube amp that's cranked, especially with a 12 inch cab.
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Skybox on January 05, 2017, 11:27:27 AM
exactly my point. because I am a drummer as well, and a very heavy hitter at that (got kicked out of a band because of that), and i'm pretty sure I cant get any louder than a 15 watt tube amp that's cranked, especially with a 12 inch cab.
Agree. My brother is a hard hitting drummer and back in the day, he used to always ask me to turn down a dimed Micro Terror (20 watts) coz it's too loud. You'd be surprised even the Blackstar HT1 (1 watt) head into a 1x12 can be heard over a drummer.
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Skybox on January 05, 2017, 11:32:13 AM
I think we need to differentiate between sheer volume versus getting the "spread". Although most low wattage amps can be loud enough to compete with an unmiced drummer, you still find spots where your sound is either overpowering or completely non-existent at all. This is due to most guitar amps being very directional or "beamy". To get your sound to spread more evenly across the venue, obviously you would need to mic up or use your line out.
But if the question is simply, "can a 15 watt amp be heard over a drummer", the answer is definitely yes.
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on January 05, 2017, 11:53:24 AM
Agree. My brother is a hard hitting drummer and back in the day, he used to always ask me to turn down a dimed Micro Terror (20 watts) coz it's too loud. You'd be surprised even the Blackstar HT1 (1 watt) head into a 1x12 can be heard over a drummer.
I think we need to differentiate between sheer volume versus getting the "spread". Although most low wattage amps can be loud enough to compete with an unmiced drummer, you still find spots where your sound is either overpowering or completely non-existent at all. This is due to most guitar amps being very directional or "beamy". To get your sound to spread more evenly across the venue, obviously you would need to mic up or use your line out.
But if the question is simply, "can a 15 watt amp be heard over a drummer", the answer is definitely yes.
agreed. you would have to mic up, or get more speakers to push more air. pero kung sa volume at volume lang, definitely no match si drummer sayo pag nagtaas ka na ng volume/gain knobs.
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: kevinmax on January 05, 2017, 12:04:03 PM
Yes. Mic'ed ung speaker ko and ung drums. Cant hear na din ung sa out ko nung malakas na lahat. Hehe.
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I think the PA ain't half decent brother. Dont blame the amp.
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Stoop on January 05, 2017, 11:30:15 PM
Did this at least twice. The 1st one was using a cub10 (unmic'd) running pretty dirty (volume around 2-3 o'clock, gain around 1 o'clock + OD and Dirt Pedals) at BKB IIRC and it sounded just fine. The other time was with the IRT studio (volume at 12-1 o'clock, running both clean and dirty with OD pedal just as a boost) which is running at 15 watts (also unmic'd) at Verdandi and it still sounded good paired with its 1x12 extension cabinet.
Never had a problem keeping up with a loud drummer both on studio and in a gig. And also I don't think wattage matters much in terms of VOLUME, what people need to understand its just that if you're running clean stuff headroom ang magiging kalaban mo at dun ka mabibitin for smaller wattage amps. It was never about the volume.
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on January 06, 2017, 09:38:40 AM
I think the PA ain't half decent brother. Dont blame the amp.
I don't even think its the PA. I think its the mixing, or worse, the mic-ing of the amp. malamang sa malamang, yun yung oldschool style na nakasabit lang yung mic sa handle nung amp hahahaha
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: tackielarla on January 06, 2017, 03:36:07 PM
From my experience after gigging with a TT, Ibanez TSA 15 and a Laney Ironheart 15 - 15 watts can be ok IF a) your band plays rock and you don't need a clean tone and b) you play at church where everything is controlled. Speakers/cabs used is also a huge factor. I've tried gigging a 7-watt VHT through a 212 cab with very efficient speakers (Swamp Thang + CV75) and I had to dime the amp to be heard, vs during rehearsals where I was owning a 100-watt solid-state mustang. Good thing we were playing alternative songs at the time so no need for cleans. :wink:
I ended up getting a 30-watter with power scaling for those gigs that don't need 30 watts. And yes, I can perceive a considerable volume difference between my 15-watt TT vs TH30. :-D
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Queroberos on January 06, 2017, 03:48:34 PM
That's why I said it depends on the venue. Good point on the speaker but a 12 inch speaker is good for 30 to 40 people in a small to medium sized bar and that is already stretching it.
Bare bones yan. Tipong naka-asa ka lang sa amp mo. Tipong walang monitor at di ka na naka-connect sa PA.
Lalo na kung mic-ed ang drummer. GG ka dun, repa.
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on January 06, 2017, 03:59:43 PM
That's why I said it depends on the venue. Good point on the speaker but a 12 inch speaker is good for 30 to 40 people in a small to medium sized bar and that is already stretching it.
Bare bones yan. Tipong naka-asa ka lang sa amp mo. Tipong walang monitor at di ka na naka-connect sa PA.
Lalo na kung mic-ed ang drummer. GG ka dun, repa.
70's bistro easily holds 100++, played a gig there with a 15 watt Goldea, 1x12 extension cab with Celestion V30s. played mostly clean. non mic-ed, not connected to the PA. didn't sound like I was stretching it.
drummer was mic-ed and all, still fine.
kung mic-ed ang drummer, more often than not, I ma-mic ka din. kung di ka marinig sa PA, di kasalanan ng amp yun. kasalanan ng nag mix yun, or mali pagkakamic.
in the first place, bakit ka magma-mic ng drums, pero hindi ka mag mamic ng combo na amp hahaha I've only seen that setup when the sound system is generous enough to provide a 4x12. its usually the other way around naman eh, the amps will be mic'ed first way before the drummer gets a mic (in most PH venues)
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Queroberos on January 06, 2017, 04:09:11 PM
Try mo tumugtog sa mga "normalan" na prod. Yung tipong maingay talaga yung hindi talaga tatagos yang amp na nabanggit. Tama din yung nabanggit na you need to consider the spread.
Also, genre. Blues, slow rock, and the likes, sige lang. Dinig ka diyan.
Pero kung mga tugtugpak-punks not dead o mabigatan. Alaws talaga.
I've seen people bring their own tube amp during those types of gig at napapailing nalang sila at panay kalikot ng amp.
Sana nag dala nalang sila ng 100w Line 6 or kung ano mang modeler/solidstate amp para isang powerchord lang datingan na ang mga otoridad LOL!
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on January 06, 2017, 05:04:06 PM
Sana nag dala nalang sila ng 100w Line 6 or kung ano mang modeler/solidstate amp para isang powerchord lang datingan na ang mga otoridad LOL!
ano bang depinisyon mo ng normalan na prod? :D may prod ba na hindi normal? :D
hindi ganung kalakas ang 100W line6 spider. a friend has both a 150W line6 spider, 2x12 and a 30W tube amp 1X12 combo. mejo malayo ang clean headroom capacity nila. mas okay pa yung headroom nung 30W tube kesa dun sa 150W line6.
fyi, this friend of mine plays metal ha.
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: skrumian on January 06, 2017, 05:11:33 PM
Depende sa amp. 18w H&K Tubemeister - both clean and dirt bitin sa volume. Kapag dirt+boost medyo okay na.
15w Orange Tiny Terror. Now this is monster. Kahit guitar volume down para sa clean malakas pa rin.
Good point sa "spread." Open back cab mas may perceived loudness kse may tunog galing sa likod at mas nagspread ang tunog. Kung closed back cab naman directional lang ang tunog kaya ang nakakarinig lang yun nasa harap ng speaker.
Sorry maski 100w na solid state amp kahit malakas ang volume ay may kulang pa rin at hirap magcut sa tunog ng banda.
Tsaka sabihan nyo drummer nyo na ayusin ang palo. Yun tama lang at hindi yun parang sisirain ang drums. :-D
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Queroberos on January 06, 2017, 05:13:17 PM
I guess, basing it on your replies regarding sound mixing, eh matitinong prod napapasukan mo. To put it simply, eksenang "pro" ika nga.
My point is this, basing it also sa title ng thread, "Gigging with a small wattage amp". Pwede kung sa pwede, pero, it will depend sa venue. Kung maliit lang ang venue, pwede. Kung kalat at open, yung spread ng tunog eh di kakayanin. Dinig mo nga sarili mo, dinig ka ba ng drummer at iba mong kasama? Dinig ka din ba ng mga tao sa likod?
I get your point na kayang makipag sabayan sa drummer sa perspective ng gitarista. Pero we should look the sound as a whole. Yung buong tunog ika nga ng banda niyo.
Iba ang tunog sa praktis at tunog sa labas. Di naman pwedeng madinig mo lang yung sarili mo habang may drummer eh OK na.
The threadstarter's question includes the venue, genre, and tone (clean or driven).
Baka kasi isipin niya eh OK na yung 15 watt amp tapos pag tugtugan na eh di pala sapat.
Well, 2 cents lang naman. At least may option siya.
Get a bigger amp which is hassle bitbitin or mag overspend siya against sa small wattage amp na tenbits and pag sisihan niya din sa huli.
Cheers parekoy, biernes ngayon at weekend na bukas hehe.
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on January 06, 2017, 05:14:01 PM
Depende sa amp. 18w H&K Tubemeister - both clean and dirt bitin sa volume. Kapag dirt+boost medyo okay na.
15w Orange Tiny Terror. Now this is monster. Kahit guitar volume down para sa clean malakas pa rin.
Good point sa "spread." Open back cab mas may perceived loudness kse may tunog galing sa likod at mas nagspread ang tunog. Kung closed back cab naman directional lang ang tunog kaya ang nakakarinig lang yun nasa harap ng speaker.
Sorry maski 100w na solid state amp kahit malakas ang volume ay may kulang pa rin at hirap magcut sa tunog ng banda.
Tsaka sabihan nyo drummer nyo na ayusin ang palo. Yun tama lang at hindi yun parang sisirain ang drums. :-D
guilty po ako. nabutas ko na po drum head ni BKB =))
mas prefer ko talaga ang open back, mejo nakukulangan lang ako sa in your face chugchug capability.
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Queroberos on January 06, 2017, 05:23:07 PM
"Good point sa "spread." Open back cab mas may perceived loudness kse may tunog galing sa likod at mas nagspread ang tunog. Kung closed back cab naman directional lang ang tunog kaya ang nakakarinig lang yun nasa harap ng speaker.
Sorry maski 100w na solid state amp kahit malakas ang volume ay may kulang pa rin at hirap magcut sa tunog ng banda."
Ditto. Adjourned na. Hahaha!
Kung 100W amp nga pwede pa pala magkulang, yung 15w pa kaya? GG.
Happy weekend mga brader!
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on January 06, 2017, 05:25:30 PM
I guess, basing it on your replies regarding sound mixing, eh matitinong prod napapasukan mo. To put it simply, eksenang "pro" ika nga.
My point is this, basing it also sa title ng thread, "Gigging with a small wattage amp". Pwede kung sa pwede, pero, it will depend sa venue. Kung maliit lang ang venue, pwede. Kung kalat at open, yung spread ng tunog eh di kakayanin. Dinig mo nga sarili mo, dinig ka ba ng drummer at iba mong kasama? Dinig ka din ba ng mga tao sa likod?
I get your point na kayang makipag sabayan sa drummer sa perspective ng gitarista. Pero we should look the sound as a whole. Yung buong tunog ika nga ng banda niyo.
Iba ang tunog sa praktis at tunog sa labas. Di naman pwedeng madinig mo lang yung sarili mo habang may drummer eh OK na.
The threadstarter's question includes the venue, genre, and tone (clean or driven).
Baka kasi isipin niya eh OK na yung 15 watt amp tapos pag tugtugan na eh di pala sapat.
Well, 2 cents lang naman. At least may option siya.
Get a bigger amp which is hassle bitbitin or mag overspend siya against sa small wattage amp na tenbits and pag sisihan niya din sa huli.
Cheers parekoy, biernes ngayon at weekend na bukas hehe.
nako, halo halo bradder man. nakaranas na ako ng togs sa isang kilalang school na walang soundsystem, auditorium yung venue (200 pax) kulang na kulang kahit 2x12 yung dala.
majority kasi ng gigging bars in QC and Makati natry ko na kasi, halo halong genre, halohalong tugtugan. karamihan naman sa mga small venue like BKB and Saguijo, forgiving yan. rinig ka definitely. rinig ka ng audience. kung ang sinasabi mo naman ay rinig ka ba ng kabanda mo, well, depende na sa placement ng amp yan. case in point, 70's bistro, guitar amps are way on the left side of the stage, nakaharap pa sa audience, malabong marinig ka talga nung drummer which is at the backside of the venue, sa likod pa ng amp. ganun din sa guijo, ang drummer, nasa likod ng mga guitar amp. di mo naririnig togs ng kasama mo.
gets ko yung sinasabi mong iba ang tunog sa labas, iba ang tunog sa loob. pero given the venue and equipment state sa pinas, as well as unskilled in house techs sa mga venue, wala kang luxury na maensure na magkakadinigan kayo ng kabanda mo. the important thing is maganda ang kalalabasan ng overall sound niyo sa nakikinig, which is the audience. hence answering the question, "Rinig ka ba?"
pansin mo ba kung bakit yung mga prosounding bands eh lagging bitbit ang amps nila kahit hasel? wala eh. kung gusto mo maging consistent sa tunog, magdala ka ng amp mo. hasel magbitbit? eh di kumuha ka ng tech/roadie.
im just saying din na 15 watts (tube), really, is more than enough. depende nalang sa cab na sasaksakan mo. lalo na kung pang gig gig lang naman sa mga bar sa pinas.
kung ang question niya eh pang mga stage tipong open venue, eh malamang nga di ko talaga irerecommend yung 15 (tho nakakita na nga ako ng isang bandang gumawa nito, and impressive enough, hindi naman nagkulang)
happy Friday mga papsi.
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on January 06, 2017, 05:28:15 PM
" Sorry maski 100w na solid state amp kahit malakas ang volume ay may kulang pa rin at hirap magcut sa tunog ng banda."
Ditto. Adjourned na. Hahaha!
Kung 100W amp nga pwede pa pala magkulang, yung 15w pa kaya? GG.
Happy weekend mga brader!
Bro I'm referring to 15w tube amp vs 100w solid state amp. And im referring to cutting through the band mix.
Yeah forgot the venue as factor. Intimate closed venue around 50-70 audience puede na sa 15w tube amp. (Again depende sa amp.) More than that lalo sa malalaking venue dapat naka-PA na para controlled na tunog nyo.
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Skybox on January 06, 2017, 07:59:02 PM
I agree on all the points guys. I guess one good lesson to remember is that twice the wattage doesnt mean twice the volume. In fact you would need 10 times the wattage to get twice as loud. Meaning if you want an amp that is twice as loud as a 15 watt amp, you would need to get a 150 watt amp. Twice the wattage will only get you 3db louder which is hard to percieve by the human ear. So the next time you bring your 15 watt amp to go against a 30 watt amp, remind yourself that he is only 3db louder hehe.
Here's a real life example of a 1 watt tube amp cutting through the mix better than a 40 watt solid state amp. It's mind blowing haha.
Amps: Peavey 6505MH Mesa Mark 5 25 Marshall Class 5 Fender Blues Jr Roland Cube 40 Blackstar HT1
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: nicoyow on January 06, 2017, 08:28:59 PM
Share my experience.
I was able to compare my sound in two different venues. Venue 1: Marshall MG100fx 100w SS head into marshall 4x12 cab. Sound was superb! My volume was around 11oclock and even my slightly overdriven riffs cut through the mix. Venue 2: Vox AC30 (pure vintage right?) Sweet sweet tone but the problem is, I spend almost 10 minutes controlling my volume :( The thing was too loud for the venue! What I did is, I fixed my volume pedal to half and drop the volume of the thing to 8oclock just to pair with my co-guitarist plugged into a fender mustang 4! (See the difference of SS and tubes.) The volume! So I believe that even a small wattage TUBE amp can be loud enough, but consider the venue too.
Lesson learned: Tube amps are demons in terms of volume :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: tackielarla on January 06, 2017, 09:09:09 PM
I was able to compare my sound in two different venues. Venue 1: Marshall MG100fx 100w SS head into marshall 4x12 cab. Sound was superb! My volume was around 11oclock and even my slightly overdriven riffs cut through the mix. Venue 2: Vox AC30 (pure vintage right?)
I stopped right there. Yes, an AC30 is an absolute beast in volume. We were fortunate enought to open for Parokya here in Cebu last year, and the AC30 I used was more than holding its own against a Twin Reverb. :-o
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: nicoyow on January 06, 2017, 09:19:57 PM
I stopped right there. Yes, an AC30 is an absolute beast in volume. We were fortunate enought to open for Parokya here in Cebu last year, and the AC30 I used was more than holding its own against a Twin Reverb. :-o
Yeah! I believe this beast can still be heard in an open area even without mic. :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Skybox on January 07, 2017, 05:57:21 AM
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: skrumian on January 07, 2017, 11:47:21 AM
May napanood akong battle of the band (or sort of) ng pamankin ko sa school. Covered basketball court with stage. Parang sila sila lang nagorganize kaya walang PA ang instruments. Nakarekta lang ang mic sa school PA. I think naka-Marshall TSL sila na naka 212. May side ang audience na rinig ang amp, drum at may side na hindi masyado. At lubog ang bass kase olats bass amp. Hindi balanced. In short, kung walang PA sa malaking venue expect na pangit distribution ng tunog kahit na anong ganda ng gamit nyo.
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: ebacoids on January 07, 2017, 04:34:57 PM
okay so i hear people saying na kaya naman pero may nag sasabi din na hindi. i guess masyado madaming factors to consider para makakuha ng accurate na answer.
pero paano kung ganito yung situation: Using a 5 watt tweed champ style amp set up on the verge of break up (miced), playing in a bar (suppose saguijo), with band consisting of another guitarist, drums and bass. Kakayanin ba ng amp dito?
and on the topic of micing it, is it recommended to bring your own mic for micing the amp? and paano kung wala kang tech with you? is it safe to assume that the sound guy at the bar will know what to do?
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: skrumian on January 07, 2017, 11:45:48 PM
pero paano kung ganito yung situation: Using a 5 watt tweed champ style amp set up on the verge of break up (miced), playing in a bar (suppose saguijo), with band consisting of another guitarist, drums and bass. Kakayanin ba ng amp dito?
and on the topic of micing it, is it recommended to bring your own mic for micing the amp? and paano kung wala kang tech with you? is it safe to assume that the sound guy at the bar will know what to do?
Kung naka-mic ang amp, the you're at the mercy of the PA system. Kung maayos ang PA, then good. Kung olat ang PA, then bad for you. Kahit magdala ka nang pinakamahal na mic eh kung yun pagkakabitan ay di maayos na PA system eh di wala rin.
Siguro for general discussion, IMHO, a 15w tube amp will be enough for small gig.
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: shoegaze geezer on January 08, 2017, 10:32:08 AM
It is possible for small venues if you are using tube amps plus it is mic'd.
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: Skybox on January 08, 2017, 12:08:40 PM
Here's a great episode of That Pedal Show educating guitarists about amp wattage.
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: ebacoids on January 08, 2017, 05:19:47 PM
i rewatched that episode while i was contemplating this problem. haha dun sa recent na vid ng pedal show dinaanan nila yung pag gamit ng attenuator. apparently may mga attenuator na power amp din. so bukod sa pag bawas ng volume ng cranked amp, pwede din niya palakasin ng small amp. interesting things to take into consideration
Title: Re: Gigging with a small wattage amp.
Post by: tackielarla on January 09, 2017, 01:58:46 AM
okay so i hear people saying na kaya naman pero may nag sasabi din na hindi. i guess masyado madaming factors to consider para makakuha ng accurate na answer.
pero paano kung ganito yung situation: Using a 5 watt tweed champ style amp set up on the verge of break up (miced), playing in a bar (suppose saguijo), with band consisting of another guitarist, drums and bass. Kakayanin ba ng amp dito?
and on the topic of micing it, is it recommended to bring your own mic for micing the amp? and paano kung wala kang tech with you? is it safe to assume that the sound guy at the bar will know what to do?
kung saguijo lang papi pasok na yan. sobrang liit at sobrang closed ng saguijo sa loob so audience wise, rinig ka naman, pero gritty ka na at this point given na 5 watt head lang gagamitin mo.
don't count on saguijo's tech to mic your amp hahaha saguijo's PAs are not even mediocre, lagging kawawa mga bokalista jan eh hahahaha