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The Music Forums => Free-for-all Artists forum => Topic started by: ang hari ng metal on January 22, 2007, 01:12:36 PM
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hey im relatively new here , and i guess intrested talaga ako sa song writing.
pinapakinggan ko yung mga halos contemporary pero nagiging classic na, syempre sina jeff buckley, maynard james keenan, tori amos, tracy chapman, *ehem* billy corgan *ehem*,jewell, chris cornell etc.
at yung mga classics tulad ni hendrix, neil young, beatles, nina simone, led zepplin atbp.
medyo nakakasawa na kasi yung mga sinasabi ng mga emo ngayon, tungkol sa love hate and relationships. ihave nothing against them, pero it just sucks to see them creating a set of three chords and screeming like hell.
hell,anyone can do that.
so just help me out, and others out there aspiring to write, to quote Tenacious D " THE GREATEST SONG IN THE WORLD!"
salamatski!
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rexsteady!!
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good songs are simple (chords) songs, gumaganda lang lalo sa arrangement / execution... but there are few na complicated ang chords (usually composed thru keyboards/piano) na maganda rin... pero "banda-wise", nagkakatalo lahat sa arrangement at execution. Hindi un kesyo 3/4 chords song, pangit na.... anyway, just my 65cents.....
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my two cents on the matter is...
there are really no pointers to advise on songwriting, you can do it rhyming or not, measured or not, long or short, emo or not, anything and everything under the sun.
Creating a song, is like cooking, you have to mix the right ingridients to make a perfect dish. The right ingridients is up to you. The only tip i can give you is never rip-off another man's song even just a part of it. It's like insulting your own creativity. So, in conclusion, do not force yourself in making a song, you have to write or create it when you feel like it, because when you do, the song will come out great.
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cool. i write songs too. dami na, mga 300 plus na yata.
i write about anything, i just need my notebook and a ballpen, then start na.
karamihan dun may melody na sa utak ko. minsan kinakanta ko yung mga nasulat ko na.
ok lang kahit mukhang [chewbacca].
writing is not a choice, it's a will
write how you feel. feel good about the results.
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hehe. problem ko sa pagsulat ng kanta, pag lalagyan ko na ng melody minsan di ko mapalabas yung sound na gusto kong lumabas. hehe. may advice ba kayo about that? hehehe.
anyway, hehe, mas maganda kung mas madaming music na pakikinggan, so mas diverse ang influence sa pagsulat.. :-)
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good songs are simple (chords) songs, gumaganda lang lalo sa arrangement / execution... but there are few na complicated ang chords (usually composed thru keyboards/piano) na maganda rin... pero "banda-wise", nagkakatalo lahat sa arrangement at execution. Hindi un kesyo 3/4 chords song, pangit na.... anyway, just my 65cents.....
my problem here is where to start.
im not against the execution, if its more than three chords or not, but the content.
the clash made good punk songs, and the ramones.
the songwriting process has to have sumkinda criteria.
what makes a song, a classic, and what makes it garbage.
salamat ng pala guys for sharing your thoughts :mrgreen:
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paano sisimulan? hmmm... depende sa mood yan eh... minsan lyrics muna, minsan tune muna.. minsan sabay papasok yan.. minsan pagnagja-jam kayo may lumalabas na ok... criteria for making good songs? depende lang sa makikinig yan.. if the listener thinks it's trash pero ok naman, problema nya un.. basta tayo gawa lang ng gawa for our own consumption, tapos secondary lang un ibang makikinig.. kun purihin nila, cool.. kun gusto nila kopya, aba, mag-record ka na.. hehehe.....
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good songs are simple (chords) songs, gumaganda lang lalo sa arrangement / execution... but there are few na complicated ang chords (usually composed thru keyboards/piano) na maganda rin... pero "banda-wise", nagkakatalo lahat sa arrangement at execution. Hindi un kesyo 3/4 chords song, pangit na.... anyway, just my 65cents.....
my problem here is where to start.
im not against the execution, if its more than three chords or not, but the content.
the clash made good punk songs, and the ramones.
the songwriting process has to have sumkinda criteria.
what makes a song, a classic, and what makes it garbage.
salamat ng pala guys for sharing your thoughts :mrgreen:
What makes a song a classic or garbage is purely a matter of opinion. There is no set criteria to classify a song as a masterpiece or crap. Some will praise a song to high heavens while others will villify it just as strongly. If you want to write a good song, write a song that sounds good to YOU and don't think of what others might think of it. It will end up being loved or hated either way.
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you need to box yourself in a genre to sound different, the music you play is IN your system. kahit wala kang impluwensiya, lalabas at lalabas yang nasa dugo mo. walang mali sa pagcompose basta nailalabas mo emotions mo, ayus!
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sulat lang ng sulat. marerealize mo in time yung mga mali mo. at magiimprove lahat. magiging mas mature. (kala mo eksperto e no :lol:)
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You need to find your muse. Sometimes a really strong emotion can be the key or a really pretty lady. Something to that effect... :mrgreen:
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ang good songwriting comes naturally di mo kailangan magkaroon ng complicated stuff with its basta kung ano trip mo na sound basta maganda ang results un na un
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rico says "its easy to make a song, any songs"
"its hard to make a great song"
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songwriting parang pag gigitara din yan or any kind of sport... pinapraktis yan para gumaling ka... sulat ka lang ng sulat ng kanta. at first you would suck pero once you get better over time madali na yan
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hey im relatively new here , and i guess intrested talaga ako sa song writing.
pinapakinggan ko yung mga halos contemporary pero nagiging classic na, syempre sina jeff buckley, maynard james keenan, tori amos, tracy chapman, *ehem* billy corgan *ehem*,jewell, chris cornell etc.
at yung mga classics tulad ni hendrix, neil young, beatles, nina simone, led zepplin atbp.
medyo nakakasawa na kasi yung mga sinasabi ng mga emo ngayon, tungkol sa love hate and relationships. ihave nothing against them, pero it just sucks to see them creating a set of three chords and screeming like hell.
hell,anyone can do that.
so just help me out, and others out there aspiring to write, to quote Tenacious D " THE GREATEST SONG IN THE WORLD!"
salamatski!
Are you still interested? give me your e-mail addy and I'll send you something useful.
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ako sir. gusto ko
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hey im relatively new here , and i guess intrested talaga ako sa song writing.
pinapakinggan ko yung mga halos contemporary pero nagiging classic na, syempre sina jeff buckley, maynard james keenan, tori amos, tracy chapman, *ehem* billy corgan *ehem*,jewell, chris cornell etc.
at yung mga classics tulad ni hendrix, neil young, beatles, nina simone, led zepplin atbp.
medyo nakakasawa na kasi yung mga sinasabi ng mga emo ngayon, tungkol sa love hate and relationships. ihave nothing against them, pero it just sucks to see them creating a set of three chords and screeming like hell.
hell,anyone can do that.
so just help me out, and others out there aspiring to write, to quote Tenacious D " THE GREATEST SONG IN THE WORLD!"
salamatski!
Are you still interested? give me your e-mail addy and I'll send you something useful.
Me, me, me!!! :-D :-D :-D
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interested pala, asan na yung e-mail addy? :roll:
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dug.spak@gmail.com :lol:
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dug.spak@gmail.com :lol:
e-mail sent
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yehoo. thanks sir.
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@soundslikebryan: fatallyyoursmusic@gmail.com hehe..:-D
songs come out naturally.. when you see a tree, you can write a song about it.. i met this person who writes about anything and everything he sees.. he came to our band's practice once after that, he wrote a song about our drummer.. nice guy haha! it doesnt matter if its emo or not, three chords or not, it really depends on the song you make.. by the way, punk usually runs on a three chord pattern so dont think its crap.. its meant to be simple and very expressive..
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e-mail sent
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^^ thank you, thank you! :-) ang haba pala hehe.. :-D this would help me to improve a lot.. :-D
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at first, you can't force yourself to write. it comes naturally, and when it comes, it'll be as easy as a thought. :-D
it helps kung high ka. thats true. but not necessarily.
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at first, you can't force yourself to write. it comes naturally, and when it comes, it'll be as easy as a thought. :-D
it helps kung high ka. thats true. but not necessarily.
mas matindi kung absinthe ang tinira mo, hehe.
@jay, yep mahaba yan. do you want more?
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at first, you can't force yourself to write. it comes naturally, and when it comes, it'll be as easy as a thought. :-D
it helps kung high ka. thats true. but not necessarily.
mas matindi kung absinthe ang tinira mo, hehe.
@jay, yep mahaba yan. do you want more?
cge ba.. :-D meron pa ba? hehe..
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at first, you can't force yourself to write. it comes naturally, and when it comes, it'll be as easy as a thought. :-D
it helps kung high ka. thats true. but not necessarily.
mas matindi kung absinthe ang tinira mo, hehe.
@jay, yep mahaba yan. do you want more?
cge ba.. :-D meron pa ba? hehe..
yeah, the other one I have is more detailed and its about 200+ pages.
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at first, you can't force yourself to write. it comes naturally, and when it comes, it'll be as easy as a thought. :-D
it helps kung high ka. thats true. but not necessarily.
mas matindi kung absinthe ang tinira mo, hehe.
@jay, yep mahaba yan. do you want more?
cge ba.. :-D meron pa ba? hehe..
yeah, the other one I have is more detailed and its about 200+ pages.
cge ba.. :-D so ill have something to do with so much free time.. :-D
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keep on writing verses, sabi nga ni Malang isa sa National Artists natin sa arts, sa painting di na daw sya nag-iintay ng inspirasyon guhit lang sya ng guhit, yung inspirasyon dumarating na lang habang ginagawa nya ang pag guhit. ganun din sa song writing.
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keep on writing verses, sabi nga ni Malang isa sa National Artists natin sa arts, sa painting di na daw sya nag-iintay ng inspirasyon guhit lang sya ng guhit, yung inspirasyon dumarating na lang habang ginagawa nya ang pag guhit. ganun din sa song writing.
that's true, kaya lang anong point ng ginuguhit mo lalo pa't wala ka namang inspirasyon. I've seen Malang in action up close. The reason why he doesn't need inspiration is he has been inspired all these years. Pag bihasa ka na sa linya ng media na pinili mo, kahit nakapikit ka pa, kamay mo na lang ang gagalaw at makakagawa ka na ng isang modelong maganda. It might not have any meaning but still, its beautiful. In songwriting, not that I'm saying I'm an expert, but I think its linear with writing. In that genre I can say I have a bit of authority (a minute bit, hehe). You have to be inspired in order to write with meaning. Something that means to you. Unless otherwise you want to produce something for Britney Spears or Fergie :evil: :evil: :evil:
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1. Always have a small notebook with you - in case me maisip ka na magandang lyrics habang nasa bus pauwi, nagaantay sa friend sa mall, pumipila sa atm, etc. Sulat mo kaagad bago pa mawala.
2. Buy a cellphone that has a capability of recording unlimited duration of audio - in case me maisip ka na magandang tono o riff sa gitara--Record mo kaagad.
3. Write what you feel--let your emotions be your guide. I think LOVE is a favorite subject in most songs, it gives us the best of both worlds -- PAIN and HAPPINESS.
4. At ang pinaka-importante--avoid the temptation of copying somebody else's song. Just make a song that you wanna to hear. Others liking your song is just an added bonus.