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The Musician Forums => Pinoydrums => Topic started by: Bammbamm on January 29, 2007, 08:43:44 PM
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I wanna post this question to the Drum Teaching Reference thread actually, kaya lang madyo OT at dudumi lang yung thread e, so open ko nlang dito.Here are my questions;
1.Is it better to learn some "basic" rudiments/groove/note reading all by myself before taking formal lesson,or I need to learn it with the guidance of an instructor right from the start? (This is a question with regards to the price of a formal lesson per session versus the possibility of developing bad habits that will be more difficult to unlearn later on)
2.Should I to tell the instructor what I want to learn or I'll just meekly follow his/her program? (Some instructors can be tricky,you know!)
3.How do I get a good instructor? (considering the fact that a great player doesn't necessarily make a good teacher, and mediocre players sometimes are very good teachers!)
Anyone of you fellow drummers who have had or is currently taking formal lessons can share your experience and personal recommendations in this thread.
You can also post negative experience and questions if you have doubts about the lessons/instructors.
but avoid name-dropping as much as possible :-D
I hope this would shed some light to each and everyone of us here at PinoyDrums. :-)
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Akala ko nakapag-lessons ka na dati kasi Afro-Cuban na inaaral mo e. :-D
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Akala ko nakapag-lessons ka na dati kasi Afro-Cuban na inaaral mo e. :-D
Hindi pa bro, wala naman kasi akong banda ngayon kaya may time akong pag aralan ang gusto kong tugtog.
Gusto ko pa matuto ng note reading at mga dynamics :-)
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BammBamm,
I'll give you an insight from MY point of view -as a teacher.
Re Q's
#1). Depending on your other sources of info regarding drums, you're the best person to determine your learning abilities. There's the internet, videos, dvd's etc.. so a first hand teacher for begginers isn't always the best option. With dvd's etc, you can always rewind and back track to sections you really WANT to work on. Teachers on the other hand, will see where your going wrong and will make you go voer excercises that you NEED to work on. Learning basic rudiments on your own for a while is helpful and will be a step forward regardless of bad technique. Technique can always be fine tuned a little later -your talking about a short perios of time to learn the rudiments. Technique is not near as important as the sound and how your body works to achieve it. Being smooth and having a fluid motion is important -regardless of technique.
#2 and 3). Find a teacher who has good recomendations from your peers, colleagues and other muso's. Find out what they teach, they're teaching styles, their program (if they run one), where they teach. Visit them, give him/her a call and find out what they are like. Also check who they have worked for (artists/bands/schools). If they are credible and you get a good feeling and recomendation about the, try them out.
Once your with the teacher, it's always good to let them know exactly what it is your after from him/her. I ask my students periodically (approx. every 3 months) what they are playing and/or listening to and if thats a style they want to work on. Some say, they'd like to stick to the same material... some say they want to move onto another style for a while. Either way, just make sure, you as the student, is happy and enjoys drumming and learning. Be honest with your teacher. But keep in mind, there are areas you may NEED to work on that will be extremely challenging for you, and at the time, you won't enjoy it... but hang in there. You'll reap the benefits from it.
There's a guy I met at Merc's Bar about a year ago. He teaches at UP. He's got longish hair and glasses -kinda looks like Curt Bisquera. His names slips my mind right now, but i highly recomend him. He's a great guy and amazing player. He also endorses Zildjian Cymbals. If you know him name.. pleas shoot me a PM.
hope that has cleared up a lil for u.
elmo
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There's a guy I met at Merc's Bar about a year ago. He teaches at UP. He's got longish hair and glasses -kinda looks like Curt Bisquera. His names slips my mind right now, but i highly recomend him. He's a great guy and amazing player. He also endorses Zildjian Cymbals. If you know him name.. pleas shoot me a PM.
elmo
i'm not 100% sure,
but if you're referring to the guy who looks like a thin version of Curt Bisquera, then i believe it's Senyor Mar Dizon, you lucky devil...
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My experience doesn't necessarily involve an instructor but, i had a friend who taught me a lot about the basics of drumming. I was already a novice drummer during that time and when he taught me additional info, medyo mas nagkaroon ako ng knowledge about the craft. And my experience during the mini-eb further enchanced my knowledge. So, my advice for those aspiring drummers who doesn't have the time or money to take formal lessons, i still recommend you to take lessons IF you REALLY want to learn the craft. Mahirap kasi mag-lesson na hindi buong puso, sayang lang pera niyo. But back to what i was saying, kung wala ka time or pera, if you have nice friends who you think have better knowledge than you do about the craft, try to take some advice from them, wag kayo mahiya magtanong about the kit. Kung may hindi ka alam na alam pala nya, ask him, knowledge is sharing, kasi sa tingin ko, each drummer has its own "fingerprint" on the drums, meaning, meron talagang sariling klase ng palo yan, gaano man kalawak ang knowledge nya sa craft. Happy drumming!
(I may sound like an arrogant b*stard but, it's the truth. Hindi ako nagmamagaling, Marami pa akong dapat aralin, and I believe most of the younger drummers here have a broader skill than me, kaya mas gusto ko na lang nanonood sa eb. Hehe)
Special thanks to those people who influenced me all these years in drumming, My friend, Ace Aguilar, Bro drumster, dictatone, jpmb, peeves, gep and other drummers who i met along the way....
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Special thanks to those people who influenced me all these years in drumming, My friend, Ace Aguilar, Bro drumster, dictatone, jpmb, peeves, gep and other drummers who i met along the way....
Shucks, ikaw naman o (sabay palo sa balikat) :-D
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YES!!!! It was Mar!!!! Man.. that guy has chops.. if he frequents these boards... Good to meet you and still amazized by your playing mate. Hope to catch you next time im in town.
alwin laysico
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Special thanks to those people who influenced me all these years in drumming, My friend, Ace Aguilar, Bro drumster, dictatone, jpmb, peeves, gep and other drummers who i met along the way....
Shucks, ikaw naman o (sabay palo sa balikat) :-D
:-D kaya nga hangga't maaari gusto ko maka-attend lahat ng eb ng pinoydrums. Marami ako natututunan for a short period of time....Lalo na naka-video pa wahahahahaa!
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Hi,i'm planning to take drum lesson.
sinong instructor recommended nyo and pls give me
his/her contact no.
pls pm me nalang for the info.
thanks. :mrgreen:
intstructors within metro manila only.
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waw. mas na-inspire ako to take drum lessons, feeling ko kailangan talaga. hehe. :-D
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if you want, you can join us on saturday, mini-eb ng pinoydrums, may kasamang konting lessons and inspirational talks, see the eb thread for location and time. page 14 ata yun. see you there!!!
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my 2 centavos....
if you ever take lessons...please make sure you take time to PRACTICE the lessons during your spare time before coming to your next session. pakita mo sa instructor mo na motivated ka, that you dont take his lessons for granted
sayang yung bayad mo kung hindi mo rin gagawin yung ibinibigay na exercises/licks
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waw. mas na-inspire ako to take drum lessons, feeling ko kailangan talaga. hehe. :-D
:-D Heeehehe! Effective tong sinimulan kong thread!
@ Elmo at sa Lahat ng Pinoydrummers- Salamat sa reply nyo. Hindi lang talaga personal ang objective ko sa thread na to. Bale naisip ko lang simulan magbukas ng topic tungkol dito para na din magkaroon ng discussion na mapupulutan ng aral ang lahat ng devoted drummers at drum teachers at para na din ma motivate yung mga baguhan na seryosohin ang pag ddrums.
Ako kasi self-taught lang.Struggle talaga ang ginawa ko para matuto pumalo ng walang drums for eight years.Tapos tumigil ako mag banda for about 9 years. Last year lang ako ulit nagkainteres mag drums (out of boredom dito sa china) kaya bumili ako ng kit. Ngayon,puro instructional video at books with CDs ang pinaka tutor ko. Yung books, di ko nagagamit kasi mas dependent ako sa tunog lang.I cant read drum notations- Yun ang gusto ko matutunan ngayon, ang magbasa ng nota.
Im going back to Philippines this February 14 for a 2-week vacation. Gusto ko sana mag take ng lesson about note reading.Im worried that I may have to be required to take a full lesson,kaso wala akong time para tapusin yun. Gusto ko malaman kung saan ako pwede mag enroll ng per session basis,at magkano ang rate per session.... Sayang kasi yung mga books ko kung di ko mababasa,and besides, masakit na din yung tenga ko sa kaka-sipra with earphones. :|
Salamat sa inyong lahat po :lol:
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I think mang jun regalado has a per session basis. check out the pinoydrums mailing list for the info....
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Thanks, Daemonite! Tawagan ko nlang pag uwi ko.
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I think mang jun regalado has a per session basis. check out the pinoydrums mailing list for the info....
yep.
last time i checked, 1k per lesson kay sir jun.
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Salamt sa mga info...sige, alamin ko nlang thru phone :-)
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nasa pinas ka na ba?
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ang suggestion ko approach a percussion major from UP college of music, kung sino man ang reputable na student... tapos don ka nalang magpaturo. kailangan meron magtuturo ng rudiments, kasi may tamang paghawag ng stick, at posture. when it comes to learning technique i think dapat merong mentor and guide. you really wouldn't want to get stuck with bad habits diba?
when you got that covered, saka ka mag instructional video. by then you will be able to pick out rudimentary patterns on the drumkit when you hear them. :)
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@ JP - Sa 14th pa ko uuwi. Magpalamig ka na ng beer! :-D
@ Starfugger- thanks to your suggestion.Madaming matutulungan yan :-)
To All, keep em coming! Share nyo sana experience nyo during lessons para may idea kaming mga "no read, no write" sa music :-D
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ako nung naglessons ako mga basic lang tinuro.
proper posture, holding the sticks, types ng mga palo, at mga note readings (4/4 lang)
:-D
balak ko maglessons ulit ngayong summer :-D
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ask ko lang po sana mga sir kung ok dun, mejo mahal kasi e, 6600 daw ung 12 sessions. balak ko po sana kasi magaral e d2 sa sta rosa, laguna e yamaha na ung pinakamalapit. if may suggestions kayo na iba pls do throw in. Thanks! :-D
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depende sa teacher..
ok naman yung pinipili ng yamaha eh, mga magagaling yan
yung sakin sulit na sulit..bitin pa nga eh! :lol:
member din yung teacher ko dito :-)
sa Alabang Town Center ka ba mag aaral or sa SM Southmall?
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for beginners I guess ok sya..they will simply teach note reading (let me stress out the level "beginners")..but if your a bit experienced drummer, I would suggest you seek other better drum teachers.. :lol:
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sir would i rather self-study than enroll in yamaha? since note reading lang ata at wla naman ganong aksyon, may instructional vids po ba for beginners? much thanks. :-)
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kay sir JP ka na lang po! sulit n sulit p kasi sa yamaha 1 hour lang per session..eh ilang sessions yun..12? kung ako po ang tatanungin hindi pa ganun ka enough yun kasi marami yun ehh..
pero may 6 sessions pa ako na natitira sa yamaha yupangco..minsan hindi na nya rinerecord yung mga meeting..kaibigan eh..wahaha..pero si sir jp ayus talaga.. :lol: pag naubos na po yung sessions ko lilipat na ako..hehehe,, :-D
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magkano po ba kay sir JP? tska san yun? :?
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ask ko lang po sana mga sir kung ok dun, mejo mahal kasi e, 6600 daw ung 12 sessions. balak ko po sana kasi magaral e d2 sa sta rosa, laguna e yamaha na ung pinakamalapit. if may suggestions kayo na iba pls do throw in. Thanks! :-D
Pwedeng mag self-study ka muna ng basic groove at mga rudiments, just to familiarize yourself. Madaming website na pwedeng kunan ng basic information kung matyaga ka lang mag search.
Sa youtube, madami dun instructional videos tungkol sa proper grip at basic techniques,rudiments, etc., dun ka muna mag aral, tapos saka ka mag enroll ng formal lesson para di sayang pera mo. Ang disadvantage naman nito ay maaaring maling technique ang matutunan mo dahil walang mag g-guide sa'yo on-the-spot, at mas mahirapan kang baguhin kapag nag-take ka ng formal lesson; kaya mahalaga talaga na may teacher na mag g-guide sa'yo sa simula pa lang.
Goodluck, & happy drumming! :-)
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mas ok po sana kng dvd para madali magrewind. hehehe. ano po marerecomend nyo? mahal dn tlga kasi sa yamaha e. pro talagang maganda kpg 1 on 1.
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sa likod ng SM North Edsa po si sir JP..if i'm not mistaken, 500 po ata per session sa kanya. pero wala po ATA limit yung time niya..hindi katulad sa yamaha.. i think he used to be the Pearl and Sabian Head in our country..magaling po si sir..ahehehe..pag natapos po ang yamaha ko lilipat talaga ako kay sir Jp.. :evil:
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how can i contact this drum god? :-D
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how can i contact this drum god? :-D
pm mo po sya dito its jpmb
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I do agree with our fellow members suggestion about Mr. Jp Buduan aka JPMB :lol:
Jp is passionate about his craft and is also passionate about teaching his craft..these are traits which I would consider important when scouting for a good teacher :wink:
good luck!
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CALLING Mr. JP!!! coling coling...
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this might help as well..
Drum Teaching Service Reference Thread: http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,9353.0.html
Jp's Institute for Highly Advanced Drumming (J.I.H.A.D.) Students Thread: http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,42898.0.html
good luck :lol:
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how can i contact this drum god? :-D
hahha. i aint no drumgod bro, hehe, its just my passion to teach pare...you can contact me thru this nums 0916-5312635 for globe and 0919-3715042 for smart, thats the jihad hotlines hahaha, I do agree with our fellow members suggestion about Mr. Jp Buduan aka JPMB :lol:
Jp is passionate about his craft and is also passionate about teaching his craft..these are traits which I would consider important when scouting for a good teacher :wink:
good luck!
yun na hahaha...cheers akira, thanks again for that pare..one drumming brotherhood..one passion :wink:
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mga sir may quwstion lang po ako? medyo matagal na rin po ko nag drums pero di po ko dumaan kahit saang nagtuturo mag drums. yun nga lang syempre minsan may mga bagay ka na di magawa or di mo alam yung terms dun sa ginagawa mo. and i really want to study drum lesson. sa situation ko po ba do i need to take -up pa the basic drum lesson?
salamat po sa mga master...
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ano naman ma advice nyo sa mga mahirap na tao na walang pang drum lessons sa mga magaling mag turo/ or magaling na drummers. ? makaka hanap pa ba ng mura pero sulit na drum lessons ngayon?
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ano naman ma advice nyo sa mga mahirap na tao na walang pang drum lessons sa mga magaling mag turo/ or magaling na drummers. ? makaka hanap pa ba ng mura pero sulit na drum lessons ngayon?
Sa youtube lang, bro, madami ka nang matututunan. Saka sa EB. :wink:
mga sir may quwstion lang po ako? medyo matagal na rin po ko nag drums pero di po ko dumaan kahit saang nagtuturo mag drums. yun nga lang syempre minsan may mga bagay ka na di magawa or di mo alam yung terms dun sa ginagawa mo. and i really want to study drum lesson. sa situation ko po ba do i need to take -up pa the basic drum lesson?
salamat po sa mga master...
Pareho tayo ng situwasyon.
Well, siguro kelangan lang nating ipa review sa teacher yung techniques natin tulad ng tamang paghawak at pagpalo ng stick.
Huwag ka manghinayang kung kelangang balikan mo yung mga basics na yun. Mas mahalaga ang tamang techniques kesa 'licks & chops' na pwede mo namang pag aralang mag isa.
Kahit si Dave Weckl nga na accomplished drummer na, binago pa nya yung technique nya mula nang mag lesson sya kay Freddie Gruber.
Kaya kung mapapanood mo yung bagong instructional video ni Dave Weckl na Natural Evolution mapapansin mo na ibang-iba ang approach nya sa pag d-drums kumpara sa nauna nyang videos na Back to Basics.
sana nakatulong....
Happy Drumming! :-)
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ano naman ma advice nyo sa mga mahirap na tao na walang pang drum lessons sa mga magaling mag turo/ or magaling na drummers. ? makaka hanap pa ba ng mura pero sulit na drum lessons ngayon?
attend the mapex drum fest tour 2007..thats free drum education from the our top local educators and drummers... :wink:
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attend the mapex drum fest tour 2007..thats free drum education from the our top local educators and drummers... :wink:
kailan ito sir?
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Sa youtube lang, bro, madami ka nang matututunan. Saka sa EB. :wink:
Pareho tayo ng situwasyon.
Well, siguro kelangan lang nating ipa review sa teacher yung techniques natin tulad ng tamang paghawak at pagpalo ng stick.
Huwag ka manghinayang kung kelangang balikan mo yung mga basics na yun. Mas mahalaga ang tamang techniques kesa 'licks & chops' na pwede mo namang pag aralang mag isa.
Kahit si Dave Weckl nga na accomplished drummer na, binago pa nya yung technique nya mula nang mag lesson sya kay Freddie Gruber.
Kaya kung mapapanood mo yung bagong instructional video ni Dave Weckl na Natural Evolution mapapansin mo na ibang-iba ang approach nya sa pag d-drums kumpara sa nauna nyang videos na Back to Basics.
sana nakatulong....
Happy Drumming! :-)
tama ka bro cguro nga di kailangan mahiya sabihin kung ano ang kakulangan sayo... kung mas makakabuti naman para sa iyo. salmat bro...
keep drummin... :mrgreen:
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Hello everyone, i'm a newbie in this forum. I am currently taking up drum lesson and i am base here in bangkok. gusto ko lng mag switch from singing to playing drums that's why i'm learning to play drums. for me it's so difficult to learn here because your instructor doesn't speak english. buti na lng my Thai language is quite good kahit papano eh naintindihan ko ng konti. I also learned thru video ( english language ) any tips para ma improve my playing ability and is it necessary to have your own drumset? :mrgreen:
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Hmmm para po sakin. Kung san kayo mas mabilis matuto... I attended basic drum lessons when I was a kid. Pero I stopped since I noticed learning on my own is much easy and mas comfortable. advantage is that you gain for less. kelangan mo lang ng practice and other materials. Kung comfortable at mas mabilis naman po kayo matuto with instructor then do it. depende po kasi talaga sa natututo eh. But one thing is for sure practice and experience is the best teacher. the best way to perfect playing drums is practice. hehehe peace out
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any tips para ma improve my playing ability and is it necessary to have your own drumset? :mrgreen:
Mga basics na dapat mong matutunan ay ang tamang paghawak at pag palo ng stick sa drums at cymbals; tapos, lahat ng rudiments at kung paano mo sya i-aapply sa four limbs at iba't-ibang components ng drumkit; at four way coordination sa mga simpleng groove; at ang pinakamahalaga sa lahat, ang consistent time-keeping.
Kapag nagagawa mo na ng malinis yung mga binanggit ko, pwede ka nang mag self-study ng mga mas advance na groove.
Advantage ng pag t-take ng drum lesson yung pagbabasa ng drum notation. Kung marunong kang bumasa ng nota, internet nlang ang kailangan mo para madagdagan ang repertoire mo sa iba't-ibang groove.Pwede ka din mag attend ng clinics at eb's.
Mas may advantage kung may sarili kang drumkit kesa wala, syempre.
Pero kahit walang kit, basta't consistent ka sa practice routine, may disiplina ka't determinasyon, walang imposible. :wink:
Happy Drumming! :-)
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attend the mapex drum fest tour 2007..thats free drum education from the our top local educators and drummers... :wink:
oo andun ako sir jp hehe. :lol: