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Title: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: prjm14 on April 19, 2007, 03:06:20 AM
mga chong, do you know of a way to develop ambidexterosity?
kasi napansin ko mga ambidextrous na mga drummers magagaling e.. heheh.. :-D lalang....
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: autoexec on April 19, 2007, 03:24:51 AM
uhmm... Practice? :-D
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: prjm14 on April 19, 2007, 03:27:37 AM
uhmm... Practice? :-D

haha.. uu nga tama.. :-D

pero to be specific, is there a way na makahabol ung left hand ko sa right hand ko..? :-P
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: autoexec on April 19, 2007, 03:30:14 AM
Kung kaya ng iba kaya din natin!! Hehe.. Sabi ng marami, user your left hand often.. Ginagawa ko nga kanina 15 minutes puro double strokes lang sa left hand eh.. sa unan, sa practice pad papalit palit.. Ginaya ko lang yung sinabi ni pat torpey. Ang dali paring manakit ng left ko compare sa right.. :(
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: prjm14 on April 19, 2007, 03:33:09 AM
kaya pala sumasakit kaliwa ko agad.. mahina pa pala.. hehe..

akala ko na tuloy mali na ung hawak ko.. hehe :-D
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: autoexec on April 19, 2007, 03:40:58 AM
sa double strokes, kitang kita ang kahinaan ng left ko, yung kanan wala lang sa kanya tapos maya maya bibigay na yung left ko then nasisira na yung doubles.. Nakakaasar nga eh.. Tingin ko effective din na excercise sa left eh mag 16ths ka using your left hand only. Hehe. Tiisin mo yung sakit tapos pag mga 10 minutes na hinto ka, mga 5 minutes try mo ulit parang ang gaang na. Bwahahaha.. Kaso pag natulog ka pag gising mo mahina na ulit. :D. Tutulog na po ako.. :-D
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: harugrugrug on April 19, 2007, 03:42:14 AM
hehe.. turn your kit into a lefty... nice! ginawa ko un dati.. wala kong magawa sa summer e.. it helped... it resulted to open hand playing.. pero di ko na tinuloy.. pero i'm starting again.. anyway ang open hand playing e.. imbis na right hand mo ang nasa hats.. left ang gagawa nun.. tapos ang right mo na ang magssnare.. syempre.. libre ang right mo at wala sagabal kasi hindi siya nakacross sa kamay mo di ba? u can play beats with tom toms.. hindi lang snare... hehe.. tapos un nga .. start with your left..mapadouble stroke man yan or kung anu... sa double pedal din.. start with left foot leading.. it works.. minsan sa gig ko.. left na ang lead ko.. dunno why.. hehe..
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: prjm14 on April 19, 2007, 03:45:15 AM
sa double strokes, kitang kita ang kahinaan ng left ko, yung kanan wala lang sa kanya tapos maya maya bibigay na yung left ko then nasisira na yung doubles.. Nakakaasar nga eh.. Tingin ko effective din na excercise sa left eh mag 16ths ka using your left hand only. Hehe. Tiisin mo yung sakit tapos pag mga 10 minutes na hinto ka, mga 5 minutes try mo ulit parang ang gaang na. Bwahahaha.. Kaso pag natulog ka pag gising mo mahina na ulit. :D. Tutulog na po ako.. :-D

hehe.. mawawala ung pinractice mo bukas.. hehehe tnx sa mga reply mga chong.. :-D

hehe.. turn your kit into a lefty... nice! ginawa ko un dati.. wala kong magawa sa summer e.. it helped... it resulted to open hand playing.. pero di ko na tinuloy.. pero i'm starting again.. anyway ang open hand playing e.. imbis na right hand mo ang nasa hats.. left ang gagawa nun.. tapos ang right mo na ang magssnare.. syempre.. libre ang right mo at wala sagabal kasi hindi siya nakacross sa kamay mo di ba? u can play beats with tom toms.. hindi lang snare... hehe.. tapos un nga .. start with your left..mapadouble stroke man yan or kung anu... sa double pedal din.. start with left foot leading.. it works.. minsan sa gig ko.. left na ang lead ko.. dunno why.. hehe..

buti ka pa nakakayanan mo nang ipanglead ung left mo.. narealize ko rin kanina nakalagay sa mga piyesa ko na magpalit ng lead hand.. e ndi ko sinusundan, cguro kaya naiiwan.. hehe
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: akosichok on April 19, 2007, 03:47:55 AM
ambi..what!?

hehe, kiddin' :-D


para sakin the best parin ung 'use your left hand often'

ambidexterity would come with practice, like others would say nga. pero masama rin cguro ung biglaang pwepwersahin ung left hand, gradual increase nalang sa time interval ng practice cguro.


haii.. gusto ko rin maging ambidextrous :-(
*sobrang noob ko pa talaga  :cry: *
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: harugrugrug on April 19, 2007, 03:52:35 AM
sa double strokes, kitang kita ang kahinaan ng left ko, yung kanan wala lang sa kanya tapos maya maya bibigay na yung left ko then nasisira na yung doubles.. Nakakaasar nga eh.. Tingin ko effective din na excercise sa left eh mag 16ths ka using your left hand only. Hehe. Tiisin mo yung sakit tapos pag mga 10 minutes na hinto ka, mga 5 minutes try mo ulit parang ang gaang na. Bwahahaha.. Kaso pag natulog ka pag gising mo mahina na ulit. :D. Tutulog na po ako.. :-D
do a moeller on your left hand... right din para balanced..
it helped in my dark left hand days... hehe...
moeller ganito xia... kita mo? joke lang sir.. inaantok nako e..
pareho tayo... hehehe//
hehe.. whip action xia pero 3 stroke xia..
ung unang stroke.. wrist gamit mo then
ung 2nd stroke e tap stroke tapos ung
3rd e tap din pero preparation na siya for the
whip action action.,. ayun..
hehe.. refer to jim chapin.. he knows this thing very well..
hope this helps.. tsaka ung pain is bad sign sir sabe sakin..
pero kung ngalay lang.. ok lang... pain comes after
ngalay.. kaya don't push far.... kasi baka magkacarpal ka..
baradong ugat... ayun... it's better to rest your hands kung
ngalay na ng ilang minutes.. tapos go again..
it's better kung eto na lang gawin.. double strokes,start very slow
then slowly gain speed until u reach ur limit na relax ang mga kamay..
then stay there for a while.. then slow again tapos tulog na ako..
hope this helps... nytnyt.. hehe..
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: prjm14 on April 19, 2007, 03:56:06 AM
tutulog na kayo? heheh..

tnx sa mga reply mga chong..

dahil sa inyo, nagkaron ako ng kachat d2.. hehe

nytnyt!!


*sana pinanganak din akong ambidextrous.. :cry:*
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: akosichok on April 19, 2007, 03:59:45 AM
baka magkacarpal ka..

aray ko po, every musicians nightmare. ay, kahit sino naman pla  :-D

carpal tunnel syndrome  :cry:
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: prjm14 on April 19, 2007, 04:01:13 AM
yun din ang ayoko.. :-(
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: autoexec on April 19, 2007, 04:04:39 AM
sa double strokes, kitang kita ang kahinaan ng left ko, yung kanan wala lang sa kanya tapos maya maya bibigay na yung left ko then nasisira na yung doubles.. Nakakaasar nga eh.. Tingin ko effective din na excercise sa left eh mag 16ths ka using your left hand only. Hehe. Tiisin mo yung sakit tapos pag mga 10 minutes na hinto ka, mga 5 minutes try mo ulit parang ang gaang na. Bwahahaha.. Kaso pag natulog ka pag gising mo mahina na ulit. :D. Tutulog na po ako.. :-D
do a moeller on your left hand... right din para balanced..
it helped in my dark left hand days... hehe...
moeller ganito xia... kita mo? joke lang sir.. inaantok nako e..
pareho tayo... hehehe//
hehe.. whip action xia pero 3 stroke xia..
ung unang stroke.. wrist gamit mo then
ung 2nd stroke e tap stroke tapos ung
3rd e tap din pero preparation na siya for the
whip action action.,. ayun..
hehe.. refer to jim chapin.. he knows this thing very well..
hope this helps.. tsaka ung pain is bad sign sir sabe sakin..
pero kung ngalay lang.. ok lang... pain comes after
ngalay.. kaya don't push far.... kasi baka magkacarpal ka..
baradong ugat... ayun... it's better to rest your hands kung
ngalay na ng ilang minutes.. tapos go again..
it's better kung eto na lang gawin.. double strokes,start very slow
then slowly gain speed until u reach ur limit na relax ang mga kamay..
then stay there for a while.. then slow again tapos tulog na ako..
hope this helps... nytnyt.. hehe..

Yeah, ngalay pala ibig kong sabihin.. ^_^.. Tiisin yung ngalay ng 10 mins.. Para sakin natural lang yun kasi siyempre ginagamit mo ang mga muscles ng arm mo kaya pag di pa sanay mangangawit talaga.. Para sakin ha.. Ewan...
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: harugrugrug on April 19, 2007, 04:05:21 AM
oo nga e... last time si gep sa chat ko..
hehe..
pare dun sa lefty thing... mahirap talaga..
it took a lot of determination a patience..
hehe.. kung kaya nila donati.. kaya din natin..
hehe.. kaya sila magaling e masyado silang nagppractice..
at patience.. hehe.. tons of it..
chat pa tayo? hehe... nagsign ka na ba sa bio thread dito?
hehe.. practice lang talaga e..
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: harugrugrug on April 19, 2007, 04:09:07 AM
sa double strokes, kitang kita ang kahinaan ng left ko, yung kanan wala lang sa kanya tapos maya maya bibigay na yung left ko then nasisira na yung doubles.. Nakakaasar nga eh.. Tingin ko effective din na excercise sa left eh mag 16ths ka using your left hand only. Hehe. Tiisin mo yung sakit tapos pag mga 10 minutes na hinto ka, mga 5 minutes try mo ulit parang ang gaang na. Bwahahaha.. Kaso pag natulog ka pag gising mo mahina na ulit. :D. Tutulog na po ako.. :-D
do a moeller on your left hand... right din para balanced..
it helped in my dark left hand days... hehe...
moeller ganito xia... kita mo? joke lang sir.. inaantok nako e..
pareho tayo... hehehe//
hehe.. whip action xia pero 3 stroke xia..
ung unang stroke.. wrist gamit mo then
ung 2nd stroke e tap stroke tapos ung
3rd e tap din pero preparation na siya for the
whip action action.,. ayun..
hehe.. refer to jim chapin.. he knows this thing very well..
hope this helps.. tsaka ung pain is bad sign sir sabe sakin..
pero kung ngalay lang.. ok lang... pain comes after
ngalay.. kaya don't push far.... kasi baka magkacarpal ka..
baradong ugat... ayun... it's better to rest your hands kung
ngalay na ng ilang minutes.. tapos go again..
it's better kung eto na lang gawin.. double strokes,start very slow
then slowly gain speed until u reach ur limit na relax ang mga kamay..
then stay there for a while.. then slow again tapos tulog na ako..
hope this helps... nytnyt.. hehe..

Yeah, ngalay pala ibig kong sabihin.. ^_^.. Tiisin yung ngalay ng 10 mins.. Para sakin natural lang yun kasi siyempre ginagamit mo ang mga muscles ng arm mo kaya pag di pa sanay mangangawit talaga.. Para sakin ha.. Ewan...

hehe.. ayus lang sir.. basta ngalay... okey! pag pain na.. stop na..
carpal talaga kalaban natin.. di nagagamot ang carpal...
i mean mahirap na pag innoperahan ka.. may kilala kong pianista
na nagcacarpal.. sabe niya masyado daw xia nagpupush.. ayun..
nagttheraphy xia sa makati med.. pero nandun pa din carpal..
warm up ka muna bago magpractice.. hehehe..
ako nga pag naggigig e.. nagjujumping jacks e.. paranoid ako sa
carpal e...
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: prjm14 on April 19, 2007, 04:10:28 AM
yep, nagsign nako.. :-D

naalala ko sabi ng prof ko me namatay atang studyante samin dati.. ndi ko maalala kung namatay, or injured lang..
ang dahilan, mali ang hawak sa stick.. kaya nakakatakot magpractice ng walang tagatingin kung tama.. hehe
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: intake on April 19, 2007, 04:17:39 AM
kuya alvin kailangan mag stretching at mag shake ng hands before and after practice diba?
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: harugrugrug on April 19, 2007, 04:19:06 AM
o? namatay? ayus un.. hehe..
pero ayun.. maganda nga may tagatingin..
pero kung wala.. nandito naman ang pinoydrums e..
hehe.. bsta pag nakaramdam ka ng pain.. tigil na..
kaya nga nagbago ko ng foot technique kasi
the pain won't go away.. ayun.. nung iba na ung ginagawa ko
sa foot e naayus na din.. hehe.. paranoid talaga ako
sa carpal dahil ung troopa ko talaga.. nakakpanghinayang..
galing pa naman nun na pianista..
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: harugrugrug on April 19, 2007, 04:20:30 AM
kuya alvin kailangan mag stretching at mag shake ng hands before and after practice diba?

haha.. ungas ka talaga..hehe.. stretching oo..
shake hands? hindi ako kandidato,, hehe..
baka si dennis trilio.. gwapo e.. hehe...
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: prjm14 on April 19, 2007, 04:21:16 AM
kuya alvin kailangan mag stretching at mag shake ng hands before and after practice diba?

haha.. ungas ka talaga..hehe.. stretching oo..
shake hands? hindi ako kandidato,, hehe..
baka si dennis trilio.. gwapo e.. hehe...

haha.. dapat talaga stretching.. :-D
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: harugrugrug on April 19, 2007, 04:25:33 AM
hehe.. cge na nga.. before and after...
parang cooling down ang tawag dun e..
pero ung streching na gagwin mo e light na lang..
chat na ito?
hehe..
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: intake on April 19, 2007, 04:30:40 AM
ay nako hindi handshake!!!!  :lol:

ano ba symptoms ng carpal tunnel syndrome?
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: prjm14 on April 19, 2007, 04:31:43 AM
ang pagkakaalam ko sumasakit nalang bigla ung wrist mo kasi andun ata ung carpal tunnel.. :-D
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: harugrugrug on April 19, 2007, 04:42:09 AM
i have a modern drummer issue with that carpal thingy..
di ko lang alam kung san..
bsta bara xia sa ugat around sa kamay mo..
may points un e kung san pwede bumara..
at merong active release theraphy sa US na ganun..
parang spa ng ugat? hehe...
handshake! haha.. syempre.. whole kamay tsaka
sideways..
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: drummerboy827 on April 19, 2007, 11:09:51 AM
Nung grade 5 ako nabali let hand dahil sa skateboard. (d pa ako drummer nun). lefty pa naman ako. for 3 months right pinangsulat ko. now i'm ambidextrous!!  :-D
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: drummer_boy17 on April 19, 2007, 12:01:00 PM
eto lang ginagwa ako.. yun sa cymbals, panatay lang yun dami ng cymbals sa left at right.. di ba halos lhat ng drummers mas madalas yun mga cymbals nila ay nasa right pra madaling i hit.. dapat i pantay niyo lang para masanay din yun left hand niyo sa pag hit ng mga cymbals or toms..
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: daemonite on April 19, 2007, 01:30:53 PM
Probably the best way of developing ambidextrosity is doing your everyday chores with your left, instead of your right. I think it was Neil Peart who said that in one of his videos. Tulad ng pagtoothbrush, pagsuklay, pagwalis ng bahay, pag-mop. Everything, even that private thing we do when we're alone with a reading material  :-D. Everything left. Tapos kapag sanay ka na, tsaka mo ngayon pasukan ng practice ng rudiments. Mahirap kasi yung rudiments agad kasi di pa sanay muscles mo, tapos mabibigla ka. You need to warm up the oven before you stick in the turkey right?
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: harugrugrug on April 19, 2007, 04:35:11 PM
my friend is doing that.. ginawa ko din un! hehe... pero tumigil ako dahil
nalelate nako sa skul kakatutbrush.. pagbaliktad ng kutsara sa tinidor pagkain..
hehe... tsaka pag naghuhugas akong pinggan... ung pampunas ko ng ng soap e ginawa kong left.. hehe.. the result? so very angry mom.. i broke a lot of plates and mugs... hehe.... kaya sa stick na lang ulit....
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: prjm14 on April 19, 2007, 06:16:10 PM
ang saya nga kumain ng left handed e.. heheh, nahuhulog ung pagkain.. :-D
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: cs_mapper on April 19, 2007, 07:43:12 PM
well during my woodshedding days (early 90's) ala pa ako alam sa internet or fast pc's so baka imbes na magensayo at ayusin maigi si left hand para almost pantay sya sa kanan eh baka nasa internet or naglalaro ako ng pc games LOL!

ala namang sikret dyan as posted already....practice practice practice.
yan lang.

ako gawain ko nun habang nanonood ng tv para di masyadong boring practice ko
mga double strokes, paradiddles, straight eights sa left, etc na full strokes imbes na bounce
sa sufa or unan para ala tlga bounce really good for the wrist as well developing the finger control. after a month laki ng improvement at di na halos mawawala yung speed or muscle memory na yun dahil
parang built for speed tlga mga kamay di kamukha sa paa hi-maintenance tlga
well atleast as far as my experience and drum skill goes.
i practice hard and loud and soft, fast and slow and  wwaahhh basta lahat na.....adik tlga nuon LOL! adik sa tambol hehe.

i didn't had the luxury the internet gives nowadays to younger drummers
but tnk god i was blessed with good drummers and musicians who we're kind enough
to share their stuff during my early drumming days...hehe...sensya na po sa kwento.
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: kert on April 20, 2007, 02:22:28 PM
Probably the best way of developing ambidextrosity is doing your everyday chores with your left, instead of your right. I think it was Neil Peart who said that in one of his videos. Tulad ng pagtoothbrush, pagsuklay, pagwalis ng bahay, pag-mop. Everything, even that private thing we do when we're alone with a reading material  :-D. Everything left. Tapos kapag sanay ka na, tsaka mo ngayon pasukan ng practice ng rudiments. Mahirap kasi yung rudiments agad kasi di pa sanay muscles mo, tapos mabibigla ka. You need to warm up the oven before you stick in the turkey right?



+1!  :-D
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: Bammbamm on April 20, 2007, 10:40:48 PM
Bale dalawang ang fundamentals nitong topic na 'to, sa opinion ko.

1) Developing dexterity and control of your weaker limbs-  Tulad ng sinabi na ng marami, practice lang talaga ang kelangan; pero paano mag p-practice?- nasabi na din halos lahat.But anyway, sa akin, dobleng effort sa pagppractice with my weaker limb ang effective. My personal approach to this is to use 60% of my practice time on my weaker limb; 30% sa simula ng practice; at 30% ulit bago ako huminto para magpahinga. Yung in-between  na 40%, experiment nlang ng grooves o kaya mag improvise ng fills dun sa mga grooves na alam ko na. - isa to sa dalawang approach ko sa pag p-practice.

2) Developing ambidextrous playing by leading with my weaker limb/s without altering the positions of the drumset. Open-handed playing naman ang exercise ko dito. left hand sa hats/right sa snare, at right hand pa din sa ride cymbal- for right-handed drummers.

Mahirap talaga ma achieve yung absolute ambidexterity kaya patience at perseverance din talaga ang kelangan,at tamang technique- I cannot comment anymore on this kasi may duda pa din ako sa techniques ko.
Pero yun na yun. I- challenge mo lang yung sarili mo na magawa nung weaker limbs mo yung nagagawa ng opposite limbs. But the best thing to do talaga is to find a reputable drum instructor na mag g-guide sayo para siguradong hindi mo ma-master yung maling technique na kalimitang nangyayari sa mga self-taught drummer....... na tulad ko :-P :| :-D
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: harugrugrug on April 20, 2007, 11:05:18 PM
to have a muscle memory... you need to repeat all things atleast 3000 times... sabe sa discovery...
so... practice talaga with proper technique.. don't hasten things..
time will come for that weaker limb.. ung sign ng isang guy dito ung.. slow prcatice= fast progress.. parang ganun.. pag nagmadale ka.. chances na hindi mo maexecute ung technique ng maayos... dati in my early drumming years na tinuturo sakin.. french grip ang hawak ko para sa double strokes... tapos nung college nako.. my prof introduced me to palm down.. or german grip.. hay..
ayun.. back to zero... ayun months na naman.. take time to develop ur technique...
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: drummerboy827 on April 21, 2007, 10:54:40 AM
yep, nagsign nako.. :-D

naalala ko sabi ng prof ko me namatay atang studyante samin dati.. ndi ko maalala kung namatay, or injured lang..
ang dahilan, mali ang hawak sa stick.. kaya nakakatakot magpractice ng walang tagatingin kung tama.. hehe

Hala, pano yun??
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: prjm14 on April 21, 2007, 09:24:35 PM
d naman ako sure pero mukha namang d talaga namatay.. hehe kasi sobra na un kung ganun.. :-D
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: drummer_boy17 on April 22, 2007, 01:22:59 PM
ang saya nga kumain ng left handed e.. heheh, nahuhulog ung pagkain.. :-D

hirap nun chong.. sayang biyaya.. :D-D
Title: Re: developing ambidexterosity..
Post by: prjm14 on April 22, 2007, 04:29:27 PM
oo nga e.. mahirap talaga masanay.. pero mukhang masaya pag nasanay na talaga... :-D