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The Music Forums => Jazz and Blues Cafe => Topic started by: Pierrot on June 08, 2007, 02:02:59 PM
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Im a shredder (obviously speed is the staple skill), but i wanna learn how to do jazz phrasing ksi jazzmen are way more phrasing skilled than us shredders, can you guyz suggest where and how i can learn jazz elements? any help is very appreciated.
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You can start w/ downloading Aebersold's free jazz handbook: http://tinyurl.com/cnqdf
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starters..hmmm, cguro babad muna listening to jazz, hanapin mo kung san ka comfortable, kung bebop, swing, fusion, o free-jazz, pwede rin 'tupank - jazz'-ask sir aya yuson he cn teach u tupanks(jke).. share ko lng.. :-D
ich bin in der Liebe mit der "tupank" Art! Tupank Richtlinien.
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my pag ka german ka pala sir!!!hehe
listen ,listen and listen..walang silbi buks pag di mo gamay lalo na swing feel! :-D
www.youtube.com/tcl518
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..or try watching live jazz gigs, or even dvd's, basta absorb mo muna... or mag lesson ka kay sir aya yuson, para mismo! :-D
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Thanks for the advice's, nga pla can you give me places kung san pwede makinig ng jazz bands, ung instrumental jazz po ha kung pwede on metro manila lng, as for the lesssons sa jazz, cant afford po eh,
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starters..hmmm, cguro babad muna listening to jazz, hanapin mo kung san ka comfortable, kung bebop, swing, fusion, o free-jazz, pwede rin 'tupank - jazz'-ask sir aya yuson he cn teach u tupanks(jke).. share ko lng.. :-D
ich bin in der Liebe mit der "tupank" Art! Tupank Richtlinien.
let go some of your shredding stuff..not that na totally forget them, but set aside ung iba para maka entertain ka ng bago..ung theory ng, keeping the glass half full..
and yeah! LISTENING! LISTENING! LISTENING! LISTENING! LISTENING!
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Thanks for the advice's, nga pla can you give me places kung san pwede makinig ng jazz bands, ung instrumental jazz po ha kung pwede on metro manila lng, as for the lesssons sa jazz, cant afford po eh,
Check out the sticky thread: http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,18954.0.html
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Thanks for the advice's, nga pla can you give me places kung san pwede makinig ng jazz bands, ung instrumental jazz po ha kung pwede on metro manila lng, as for the lesssons sa jazz, cant afford po eh,
libre yung sa sofitel di ba?
5th manila jazz fest sa friday sa sofitel. :-)
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Thanks for the advice's, nga pla can you give me places kung san pwede makinig ng jazz bands, ung instrumental jazz po ha kung pwede on metro manila lng, as for the lesssons sa jazz, cant afford po eh,
5th manila jazz fest sa friday sa sofitel. :-)
libre yun di ba? :-)
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Thanks for the advice's, nga pla can you give me places kung san pwede makinig ng jazz bands, ung instrumental jazz po ha kung pwede on metro manila lng, as for the lesssons sa jazz, cant afford po eh,
5th manila jazz fest sa friday sa sofitel. :-)
libre yun di ba? :-) wow any additional infos, tyrone? :-D
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www.manilajazzfestival.org
not sure kung may bayad pero last time na nag attend ako ng manila jazzfest free admission.
yooohooo!!! heheheh! nice..pero boohoo!!!
layo sa akin..huhuhuhuhu! :oops:
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may mini jazzfest din sa penguin gallery. so after ng jazzfest sa sofitel pwede kayo magproceed to penguin cafe in malate kung kulang pa kayo sa jazz. malufet yung Frontmen at of course Affinity. haven't heard JFK (jazz for kicks) yet. :-)
AFFINITY! booyaah! :evil:
niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! :-o
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complete n, after meron p sa malate... :-D
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swabe yun tomorrow night, sigurado....
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Thanks for the advice's, nga pla can you give me places kung san pwede makinig ng jazz bands, ung instrumental jazz po ha kung pwede on metro manila lng, as for the lesssons sa jazz, cant afford po eh,
You can check out Skarlet in Chakik's every thursday - julia vargas sa may city golf. :)
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Jazz... it's not that i'm good at it already (i'm still learning) but to learn jazz you need to....
Read about jazz ( jazz books are hard to find here... it's either you go abroad or better yet, download ebooks :lol:)
Listen to Jazz (listen intently... take note of each player's style and also take note of the differences of each type of jazz)
Play Jazz (this is the hard part specially if you are too young to have jazzaholic friends. if this is the case then you are probably stuck (like me) with progheads(no offense.. i like prog too but, i wanna play jazz.. hehe), yngwie malmsteen worshippers, double peds fanatics and all those fast-paced action music lovers
:-P
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there's nothing wrong with prog, i think jazz and prog has this tandem specially on fusion gnres.. allan holdsworth came from a prog. band nung 70's.. yngwie ok din, note choices nya ay the best compared sa ibang neo-classic players.. neoclassical pag tinugtog mo sa jazz, magiging gypsy jazz-sort of thing.. :-D
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OT:
I totally agree.. there is nothing wrong with prog. I myself am a bit of a prog fan. My point on my post is that the younger generation today tends to lean more on progressive rock than on jazz... So it really is harder for young lads like me to get to learn jazz since it is hard to find people our age who are in to jazz and are willing to play jazz. :lol:
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tanong ko lang sa mga improv players... do u "think" while improvising a song. i mean whats on your mind while doing it? kasi ako nahihirapn akong mag multi-task and yung conviction while playing! lalong lalo na kung may mga jazz "heavy weights" improv players around.. :) any tips
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tanong ko lang sa mga improv players... do u "think" while improvising a song. i mean whats on your mind while doing it? kasi ako nahihirapn akong mag multi-task and yung conviction while playing! lalong lalo na kung may mga jazz "heavy weights" improv players around.. :) any tips
hahahaha...bai, even i something tingles in my a** basta me mga giants eh..
remember pag tayo2 lang, all the ideas poop out pero pag me mga giants..its like..
FREEZE! heheeheheh! i second the motion, help mga sir..heheheehhe!
maybe the robert johnson myth might help.. :wink: hehehehe..
boss joric, i cant help it..heheehehe.. :-D
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believe it or not i listen to jazz 16 hours a day, i'm just kinda hooked up with that lifestyle, masarap eh. so for me to learn jazz is to LISTEN!
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believe it or not i listen to jazz 16 hours a day, i'm just kinda hooked up with that lifestyle, masarap eh. so for me to learn jazz is to LISTEN!
good! i do that to 24 hours nga lng, always nka ipod..hehe :-D
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tanong ko lang sa mga improv players... do u "think" while improvising a song. i mean whats on your mind while doing it? kasi ako nahihirapn akong mag multi-task and yung conviction while playing! lalong lalo na kung may mga jazz "heavy weights" improv players around.. :) any tips
hahahaha...bai, even i something tingles in my a** basta me mga giants eh..
remember pag tayo2 lang, all the ideas poop out pero pag me mga giants..its like..
FREEZE! heheeheheh! i second the motion, help mga sir..heheheehhe!
maybe the robert johnson myth might help.. :wink: hehehehe..
boss joric, i cant help it..heheehehe.. :-D
u can achieve more from just being urself than thinking u're someone else u're not, some r technically fluent & more experienced than u, so what? u can only do what u can so make d most out of it. embrace d fact that u're urself, u'll feel better. feel what u're doing and start from there, listen and communicate with other musician too because that's one of d reason u're there. most important thing: GROOVE
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also one of the most import thing on learning jazz is to play with other musicians. so get out of ur practice room and play, communicate, listen and groove with other musicians! as soon as u get ur ego out of the way the sooner u'll be a better musician!
check this out!
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,53727.0.html
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to learn jazz is to appreciate its form by heart first. like a growing person our taste changes as we grow old. most of us lahat galing sa rock kasi its one of the simplest forms of music and when i say simple it doesnt mean na pangit to or it is to be less concerned about.Me simple rock (punk
) me complex rock (prog) parehas din sa jazz, me simple (Smooth Jazz ..poste poste) at me komplikado (Fusion) swerte na kung we grow up with a Jazz environment para early training talaga.
one must not rush himself to learn this music form just to attain the skill we wish to obtain.
if one truly desires to learn jazz, he or she must endure the hardships of rigorous practice and disciplined musicaltraining (note reading...theories)
these are just facts that are we can consider pero naniniwala din ako na Jazz playing can be developed in a person sa pakikinig at paghanga sa isa sa pinaka mataas na antas ng musika.
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pratice at a slow but in the groove tempo, no weird rhythms first.
slow is the way to go
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pratice at a slow but in the groove tempo, no weird rhythms first.
slow is the way to go
tama, wag madali, ika nga ni sir V, practice slow 1st...
fast pag kay ate amy :-D
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lets just say, you've taken the first step by immersing yourself with miles davis, coltrane, gillespie and parker, etc etc
i've only got one statement you sound take to heart...
"It dont mean a thing if you ain't got the swing"
As a former shredder myself, i had to dive into playing true rhythm when i dived into jazz. throw away your malmsteen/vai 16th note triplets (you can revisit them later...), you wont need them.
screw your paul gilbert vibrato (just for now)
and for your michael angelo batio raked sweep picked major and minor arpeggios... unless you can execute quartals with that technique ala coltrane and mccoy tyner, that too, you'll have to bury in your backyard.
swing slow, swing hard, think in halftime ALWAYS. your have to dump your scalar sequences and start learning how to target notes within the chord. welcome to the world of real harmony, and dealing with changes and navigating progressions.
bu the bottom line is... your lines have to swing. start there, and with dealing with your basic turnarounds, then you're on the right track.
secondly, find a great teacher. jazz's real tradition is the mentoring system. call it drunken master kung-fu, call it the old african way, call it whatever you want... but having a great mentor will save you many headaches.
then you can continue the jazz tradition... by breaking the rules after you have learnt them. you cant break something you do not understand/know.
:wink:
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^^^ 2 Thumbs up! :-)
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Thanks for the advice's, nga pla can you give me places kung san pwede makinig ng jazz bands, ung instrumental jazz po ha kung pwede on metro manila lng, as for the lesssons sa jazz, cant afford po eh,
5th manila jazz fest sa friday sa sofitel. :-)
Sino naman po ang mga "jazz artists" na darating sa sofitel?
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5TH Manila Jazzfest is over na dude. that was last month.
BAT PROJECT
UST JAZZ BAND
UP JAZZ ENSEMBLE
RADIOACTIVE SAGO PROJECT
SINO SIKAT?
JEWELMER JAZZ BAND
THE JAZZ VOLUNTEERS
BRASS MUNKEYS
THOMAS ENCHO AND THE JAZZ ANGELS
grabe super saya netong experience na to. i hope the 6th MANILA JAZZ FEST will be free again!!
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lets just say, you've taken the first step by immersing yourself with miles davis, coltrane, gillespie and parker, etc etc
i've only got one statement you sound take to heart...
"It dont mean a thing if you ain't got the swing"
As a former shredder myself, i had to dive into playing true rhythm when i dived into jazz. throw away your malmsteen/vai 16th note triplets (you can revisit them later...), you wont need them.
screw your paul gilbert vibrato (just for now)
and for your michael angelo batio raked sweep picked major and minor arpeggios... unless you can execute quartals with that technique ala coltrane and mccoy tyner, that too, you'll have to bury in your backyard.
swing slow, swing hard, think in halftime ALWAYS. your have to dump your scalar sequences and start learning how to target notes within the chord. welcome to the world of real harmony, and dealing with changes and navigating progressions.
bu the bottom line is... your lines have to swing. start there, and with dealing with your basic turnarounds, then you're on the right track.
secondly, find a great teacher. jazz's real tradition is the mentoring system. call it drunken master kung-fu, call it the old african way, call it whatever you want... but having a great mentor will save you many headaches.
then you can continue the jazz tradition... by breaking the rules after you have learnt them. you cant break something you do not understand/know.
:wink:
very well said... amen to that... yes, you can start learning from traditional mentors, tapos after dismantle mo na, then make your own style and statement! :-D
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5TH Manila Jazzfest is over na dude. that was last month.
BAT PROJECT
UST JAZZ BAND
UP JAZZ ENSEMBLE
RADIOACTIVE SAGO PROJECT
SINO SIKAT?
JEWELMER JAZZ BAND
THE JAZZ VOLUNTEERS
BRASS MUNKEYS
THOMAS ENCHO AND THE JAZZ ANGELS
grabe super saya netong experience na to. i hope the 6th MANILA JAZZ FEST will be free again!!
asteeg yan ah :-)
sana nakasama din ang mga pinoy jazz greats like lakay,bobot mabalot, colby, romy k. romy posadas, mang abel etc...
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lets just say, you've taken the first step by immersing yourself with miles davis, coltrane, gillespie and parker, etc etc
i've only got one statement you sound take to heart...
"It dont mean a thing if you ain't got the swing"
As a former shredder myself, i had to dive into playing true rhythm when i dived into jazz. throw away your malmsteen/vai 16th note triplets (you can revisit them later...), you wont need them.
screw your paul gilbert vibrato (just for now)
and for your michael angelo batio raked sweep picked major and minor arpeggios... unless you can execute quartals with that technique ala coltrane and mccoy tyner, that too, you'll have to bury in your backyard.
swing slow, swing hard, think in halftime ALWAYS. your have to dump your scalar sequences and start learning how to target notes within the chord. welcome to the world of real harmony, and dealing with changes and navigating progressions.
bu the bottom line is... your lines have to swing. start there, and with dealing with your basic turnarounds, then you're on the right track.
secondly, find a great teacher. jazz's real tradition is the mentoring system. call it drunken master kung-fu, call it the old african way, call it whatever you want... but having a great mentor will save you many headaches.
then you can continue the jazz tradition... by breaking the rules after you have learnt them. you cant break something you do not understand/know.
:wink:
veru well said... amen to that... yes, you can start learning from traditional mentors, tapos after dismantle mo na, then make your own style and statement! :-D
now, that's what i dig about your voice! you have done an amazing job dismantling jazz, hombie. only few can do it as honest as you can, count me among a fellow dismantler :-)
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pratice at a slow but in the groove tempo, no weird rhythms first.
slow is the way to go
tama, wag madali, ika nga ni sir V, practice slow 1st...
fast pag kay ate amy :-D
right! u're not really gonna learn anything by playing endless fast lines that u don't really understand.
i didn't really understand sir v before about playing slow, until now...
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lets just say, you've taken the first step by immersing yourself with miles davis, coltrane, gillespie and parker, etc etc
i've only got one statement you sound take to heart...
"It dont mean a thing if you ain't got the swing"
As a former shredder myself, i had to dive into playing true rhythm when i dived into jazz. throw away your malmsteen/vai 16th note triplets (you can revisit them later...), you wont need them.
screw your paul gilbert vibrato (just for now)
and for your michael angelo batio raked sweep picked major and minor arpeggios... unless you can execute quartals with that technique ala coltrane and mccoy tyner, that too, you'll have to bury in your backyard.
swing slow, swing hard, think in halftime ALWAYS. your have to dump your scalar sequences and start learning how to target notes within the chord. welcome to the world of real harmony, and dealing with changes and navigating progressions.
bu the bottom line is... your lines have to swing. start there, and with dealing with your basic turnarounds, then you're on the right track.
secondly, find a great teacher. jazz's real tradition is the mentoring system. call it drunken master kung-fu, call it the old african way, call it whatever you want... but having a great mentor will save you many headaches.
then you can continue the jazz tradition... by breaking the rules after you have learnt them. you cant break something you do not understand/know.
:wink:
psychic_sushi is my mentor :-D long time no see 'Ton
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Jazz... it's not that i'm good at it already (i'm still learning) but to learn jazz you need to....
Read about jazz ( jazz books are hard to find here... it's either you go abroad or better yet, download ebooks :lol:)
Listen to Jazz (listen intently... take note of each player's style and also take note of the differences of each type of jazz)
Play Jazz (this is the hard part specially if you are too young to have jazzaholic friends. if this is the case then you are probably stuck (like me) with progheads(no offense.. i like prog too but, i wanna play jazz.. hehe), yngwie malmsteen worshippers, double peds fanatics and all those fast-paced action music lovers
:-P
LOL ^_^ yup maraming ganyan samin, not that i hate prog, si Petrucci nag jazz din eh, si yngwie .... iba na yun
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They say there are four phases to knowledge (on NLP I think):
Unconcious incompetence: You don't know what you're doing wrong
Concious incompetence: You do know but still can't do it right
Concious competence: You start doing it right but have to think about it
Unconcious competence: You just do it, it's a part of you
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They say there are four phases to knowledge (on NLP I think):
Unconcious incompetence: You don't know what you're doing wrong
Concious incompetence: You do know but still can't do it right
Concious competence: You start doing it right but have to think about it
Unconcious competence: You just do it, it's a part of you
nice :-D
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correct, LISTEN :-)
believe it or not i listen to jazz 16 hours a day, i'm just kinda hooked up with that lifestyle, masarap eh. so for me to learn jazz is to LISTEN!
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i'm not really a great musician, much less as a jazz player, but someone told me to get all the resources that you can have and just immerse yourself in that - you can even listen to jazz in your sleep to have your subconcious mind learn. Jazz is very hard especially to those that aren't born with the gift of exceptional musicality, so you'll have to work hard.
It will be painful, but worth it.
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for me: i just listen, communicate and play when on the bandstand, nothingelse, i know i can only do what i can so i have to make the most out of it. i do the thinking about guide tones, cool licks, difficult stuffs etc. in my practice room.
note: this works for ME, if not for YOU then leave it. peace!
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A tip on how to learn jazz:
JUST DO IT!
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Learn, unlearn and relearn like the old saying says.
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i'm not really a great musician, much less as a jazz player, but someone told me to get all the resources that you can have and just immerse yourself in that - you can even listen to jazz in your sleep to have your subconcious mind learn. Jazz is very hard especially to those that aren't born with the gift of exceptional musicality, so you'll have to work hard.
It will be painful, but worth it.
SAKTO!! :-D, music is hard to learn..... But no one said it was easy :-D
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1. Listen and internalize the music!
2. Watch concerts of good jazz players to get an idea how it's done.
3. Develop good sense of time!
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just let your playing or fingers do the talking... :lol:
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Keep an open mind!
You can learn from anyone who plays the instrument, whether he's a beginner or a freak of nature. :-D
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Detune your guitar then try to make music out of it.
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Do something about the world around you.
Feed the homeless. (Don't give them money, though. Just feed them.) Give them clothes to wear.
Feed homeless animals, like street dogs & street cats.
It's not what you play or how you play it. It's who you are.
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Do something about the world around you.
Feed the homeless. (Don't give them money, though. Just feed them.) Give them clothes to wear.
Feed homeless animals, like street dogs & street cats.
It's not what you play or how you play it. It's who you are.
This is so right …
It’s not always about you and the guitar, you have to live your life.
Stop watching tv and reading ads for a moment, read good books and some poetry instead or go to art museums.
Ask yourself “Is there anything really important in music that I’ve forgotten about?”
Reflect…
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Search for depth somewhere within this shallow-minded world...
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Wow getting deeper and deeper ah..
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William,
I see you've read Mick Goodrick's The Advancing Guitarist. Kewl. Love that book. :-)
Jeff,
Dapat lang!
The Universe is expanding.
(... well, it's actually breathing... but right now it seems to be inhaling, hence the apparent expansion.)
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William,
I see you've read Mick Goodrick's The Advancing Guitarist. Kewl. Love that book. :-)
Jeff,
Dapat lang!
The Universe is expanding.
(... well, it's actually breathing... but right now it seems to be inhaling, hence the apparent expansion.)
hahahaha
You recognized it, love that book too.
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hahahaha
You recognized it, love that book too.
I tried searching for this in the new fully booked store (which had a lot of rare finds), but to no avail. Any of you can share where I can get this in the Philippines? Or you think this is worth enough buying online (for $15)? I'm not sure how much this is though here. :-D
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Pahiram ko na lang sa yo. Kopyahin mo na lang.
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Talaga? Astig Sige. :-D
Pahiram ko na lang sa yo. Kopyahin mo na lang.
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Start to play and listen A LOT!!! It'll take endless hours of playing with someone who's really good. Jazz is extremely difficult especially for guitarists because of how the instrument is built and how we're used to play it before. And I'm talking about real jazz not those endless-eight-note-bad-rhythm kind of jazz that a lot of people do then consider it as 'jazz'. At least if you're serious enough on getting some fluency with the language.
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Listen!!!! Listen!!!! Listen!!!! The best way to learn is to Listen!!! hehehe peace out...
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Listen!!!! Listen!!!! Listen!!!! The best way to learn is to Listen!!! hehehe peace out...
tama! listen and watch some instructional videos of various jazz artist! :-D
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William,
I see you've read Mick Goodrick's The Advancing Guitarist. Kewl. Love that book. :-)
Jeff,
Dapat lang!
The Universe is expanding.
(... well, it's actually breathing... but right now it seems to be inhaling, hence the apparent expansion.)
uy pakopya din ako niyan!
sana makadaan ako mamaya gig niyo sa shang kung maaga matapos appointment. nakasabay ko si sir tots kasama ka daw niya sa wonders mamaya?
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tama! listen and watch some instractional videos of various jazz artist! :-D
"Instructional" po.
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uy pakopya din ako niyan!
sana makadaan ako mamaya gig niyo sa shang kung maaga matapos appointment. nakasabay ko si sir tots kasama ka daw niya sa wonders mamaya?
James,
Oo ba. :-)
Hindi kami magkasama ni Niyor Tots sa Wonders, brad. We just met up outside the casino so i could hand him the music sheets for last Sunday's gig. :-)
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Get down to the reality of playing jazz! Use your ear immediately! Too much theory are for lazy amateur non-players. Theories were just partly true in books, in the bandstand, not at all. Listen, play, communicate
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"Instructional" po.
sorry, nagkamali lang ng lagay! :-)salamat po sa pagcorrect aya_yuson! :-D
listen lang muna talaga to jazz music!:-D
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You wanna learn jazz? Play a Charlie Parker, John Coltrane , Miles davis and the likes record, if you listen well enough they're going to teach you so much more than all the theory books and jazz books you can buy.
LISTEN TO PLAYERS NOT TO THE PRETENDERS!!!
There's no shortcut in playing jazz, hearing it is probably the shortest way to gain some fluency in this language. Study now, hear later is NEVER gonna work.
And I meant true listening and internalizing it because anybody who can play the instrument can play endless eight-notes then call it 'jazz'. This is the reason why a lot of amateur always sounds funny, you sometimes hear someone who play some complicated stuff but can't continue from that. That just means that that certain idea didn't really came from a player trying to tell a story but he's just throwing out some licks.
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huhu i want to play jazz
but i dont know how.... :-(
my mga instructional videos po ba para sa jazz drums??????
yung available dto sa pinas
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You wanna learn jazz? Play a Charlie Parker, John Coltrane , Miles davis and the likes record, if you listen well enough they're going to teach you so much more than all the theory books and jazz books you can buy.
LISTEN TO PLAYERS NOT TO THE PRETENDERS!!!
There's no shortcut in playing jazz, hearing it is probably the shortest way to gain some fluency in this language. Study now, hear later is NEVER gonna work.
And I meant true listening and internalizing it because anybody who can play the instrument can play endless eight-notes then call it 'jazz'. This is the reason why a lot of amateur always sounds funny, you sometimes hear someone who play some complicated stuff but can't continue from that. That just means that that certain idea didn't really came from a player trying to tell a story but he's just throwing out some licks.
Hmmm... speaking of amateurish-ness...
Perhaps you meant eighth notes rather than eight notes, Sir William.
Talk's cheap, sir.
Walk the walk. It goes further towards teaching than does all these words.
c",)
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listening is not enough!! :lol: :lol:
syempre basics muna.
basic techniques like sliding, adding chromatic notes.
try adding flats and sharps at the 2nd octave.
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wow. nice thread! ngayon na lang ulit ako nagka-time magbasa basa ng threads dito sa philmusic. Wala na kasi ako sa dating trabaho na 8 hours akong naka-internet araw-araw eh :D
anyways.. siguro mas okay kung may magbibigay kayo na certain song at kung anong type ng jazz yung kanta na yun.
ex. bebop - "title of the song-artist"
kasi mismong ako.. hindi ko alam kung anong type yung pinapakinggan ko eh. baka mamaya pogijazz pala ako. hehe
eto mga sample ng nasa playlist ko:
david benoit & freeman project - smartypants
david weckl - the chicken(favorite)
steely dan - hey nineteen, black cow, peg, deacon blues
wes montgomery - far wes, leila, summertime, monk's shop
michael franks - popsicle toes, eggplant (favorite)
john pizzareli - i got rhytym
some billie holiday and ella fitzgerald
norah jones, diana krall
wala pa akong idea sa mga styles/types nila kaya pag may nagustuhan akong style.. tulad nung sa the chicken, di ko alam kung ano pa yung ibang katunog nya.
common problem siguro to ng beginners kaya sana matulungan nyo ako at yung iba pa :D
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EXERCISE FREEDOM OF SPEECH!
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Theory is nice too but if you don't combine it with true listening, now... fagetaboutit!
- Mike Stern
"80% of what I play were just chord tones, I just variate it rhythmically and phrase it in an interesting manner."
- Pat Metheny
Knowing the analysis is not enough to make music.
- Jimmy Bruno
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Though jazz theory is not necessary to play jazz, it will be of great help. Some people say that in jazz, you have to play what you hear. I am ok with that.
I am no jazzer, but I appreciate the theories. It helped me to become a deeper player (note: I meant deeper compared to what I was before not to other players). Don't get me wrong, I do not think of theories while I am playing. I use it when I practice. In that way, I be able to truly express myself when I am behind the keys.
Skip theory? Maybe, if you are as talented as the jazz greats. But for those who are passionate to express themselves through improvisation but lacks the gift like the greats, theories will be a great help.
Play what you hear? I wish I could do that. I wish I could easily hear the 32nd and 64th notes in a Thelonious Monk tune (Sir Aya, just correct my spelling. :-D). It's not easy to assume the notes that they use especially if you have 88 keys in front of you.
Amateur? Someone has to start somewhere. Everybody started as a student. No one can claim that they just sat down and started playing those complicated yet beautiful tunes. They listened. They studied. They practiced. They have their own set of theories based on their understanding. I believe that once a person try to look out for patterns and tries to understand it, they are creating theories for themselves.
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Though jazz theory is not necessary to play jazz, it will be of great help. Some people say that in jazz, you have to play what you hear. I am ok with that.
I am no jazzer, but I appreciate the theories. It helped me to become a deeper player (note: I meant deeper compared to what I was before not to other players). Don't get me wrong, I do not think of theories while I am playing. I use it when I practice. In that way, I be able to truly express myself when I am behind the keys.
Skip theory? Maybe, if you are as talented as the jazz greats. But for those who are passionate to express themselves through improvisation but lacks the gift like the greats, theories will be a great help.
Play what you hear? I wish I could do that. I wish I could easily hear the 32nd and 64th notes in a Thelonious Monk tune (Sir Aya, just correct my spelling. :-D). It's not easy to assume the notes that they use especially if you have 88 keys in front of you.
Amateur? Someone has to start somewhere. Everybody started as a student. No one can claim that they just sat down and started playing those complicated yet beautiful tunes. They listened. They studied. They practiced. They have their own set of theories based on their understanding. I believe that once a person try to look out for patterns and tries to understand it, they are creating theories for themselves.
-Nobody is telling anybody to skip theory.
-You SHOULD play what you hear, of course not the fast stuffs you'll learn nothing from just doing random fast things.
-Nobody is putting anybody down.
-No one is here for jazz competition, just exercising the freedom of speech and hopefully be viewed positively, if not... well, that's life.
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Those who know don't speak, those who speak don't know.
Masikip na ang Nagmamarunong St., Teacher's Village.
Young lions often try out their roars. As it has always been, so it shall always be. Sigh.
Those who speak don't know. Those who know don't speak.
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Those who know don't speak, those who speak don't know.
Masikip na ang Nagmamarunong St., Teacher's Village.
Young lions often try out their roars. As it has always been, so it shall always be. Sigh.
Those who speak don't know. Those who know don't speak.
awww, that hurts, william...hehe...;-)
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meow! purrrfect! :-D
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Hmmm... speaking of amateurish-ness...
Perhaps you meant eighth notes rather than eight notes, Sir William.
Talk's cheap, sir.
Walk the walk. It goes further towards teaching than does all these words.
c",)
I'm really sorry if I offended anyone but the intention of those words are to encourage some people out there (if viewed positively), we all have different approach on how to express/say things, that's MY way. A few words of encouragement can go a long way & I'm a firm believer in that.
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I'm really sorry if I offended anyone but the intention of those words are to encourage some people out there (if viewed positively), we all have different approach on how to express/say things, that's MY way. A few words of encouragement can go a long way & I'm a firm believer in that.
peace na, :-D
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peace na, :-D
boy! nabuhay ka! ok yung youtube mo ah! magdagdag k pa ng marami! kelan tyo jamming hehehehe :-D
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boy! nabuhay ka! ok yung youtube mo ah! magdagdag k pa ng marami! kelan tyo jamming hehehehe :-D
busy dito... :-D hehe.. musta?
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Those who know don't speak, those who speak don't know.
Masikip na ang Nagmamarunong St., Teacher's Village.
Young lions often try out their roars. As it has always been, so it shall always be. Sigh.
Those who speak don't know. Those who know don't speak.
:-)
Posted by: jazhombie
peace na,
,musta n dyan?!paramdam k nmn!hehehe!! :evil:
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You wanna learn jazz? Play a Charlie Parker, John Coltrane , Miles davis and the likes record, if you listen well enough they're going to teach you so much more than all the theory books and jazz books you can buy.
LISTEN TO PLAYERS NOT TO THE PRETENDERS!!!
There's no shortcut in playing jazz, hearing it is probably the shortest way to gain some fluency in this language. Study now, hear later is NEVER gonna work.
And I meant true listening and internalizing it because anybody who can play the instrument can play endless eight-notes then call it 'jazz'. This is the reason why a lot of amateur always sounds funny, you sometimes hear someone who play some complicated stuff but can't continue from that. That just means that that certain idea didn't really came from a player trying to tell a story but he's just throwing out some licks.
Those words above are from scott henderson, I heard him said that in his masterclass in our conservatory last year, I just thought it would be nice to share it here.
A little criticism is ain't that bad, one of the most important part of learning is swallowing your pride.
ps. pls look at it in a positive way...
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Dito ka pala naglalagi William!
Kelan next lesson ko?
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Dito ka pala naglalagi William!
Kelan next lesson ko?
preng sonny kmsta na! may tugtog ako sa amsterdam!
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alam mo kung saan yan? kya lang pra sa mga nagreserve ng dinner yan, kung gusto i-date mo si mrs mo dun, maganda ung place tingnan mo ung website. Ok un mga professional ang mga kasama ko tutugtog (ako ang pinakabano hehehehe). cge c u!
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Tips on how to learn jazz?
If you have great rhythm you can play anything.
It's not the notes you play, it's in the way you play it.
Use your ears not your eyes.
Anybody who has a problem about those statements above should watch and LISTEN to some Miles Davis live concert or any great jazz musicians' live concert to realize EXACTLY what I'm talkin' about.
LISTEN TO REAL PLAYERS NOT TO THE PRETENDERS!!!
A good note can sound auwfully wrong if phrased badly or played with a bad rhythmic feel, a wrong note can sound amazing when phrased good or played with a great rhythmic feel. Judge for yourself!!!
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It's not the notes you play, it's how you play it!
A great jazz musician can take any note and turn it in to something!
A right note can sound horribly wrong if not phrased good or played in a bad rhythmic feel while a wrong note can sound great if played in the right musical way! Think about that irony!
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Learn the blues first. :-D
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humility 1st..
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INTERNALIZE THE MUSIC, you don't want to be just like another one of those guys na malupit ngang maggitara , wla namang kwenta ang jazz feel :-D
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Along the road, I understood one thing that matters the most in learning (and not just in music!): Patience. And you gotta have a lot of it.
When you think you had too much - stop. Breath. Relax. Tell yourself, "patience."
Jazz is about attitude. And this attitude will take you WAY longer than you've ever expected. You won't believe what humans can possibly do (yes, even you!) :-D
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In jazz, nobody needs some self-centred virtuosos, everyone prefers someone who can LISTEN and INTERACT well!
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Tips on how to learn jazz?
If you have great rhythm you can play anything.
It's not the notes you play, it's in the way you play it.
Use your ears not your eyes.
Anybody who has a problem about those statements above should watch and LISTEN to some Miles Davis live concert or any great jazz musicians' live concert to realize EXACTLY what I'm talkin' about.
LISTEN TO REAL PLAYERS NOT TO THE PRETENDERS!!!
A good note can sound auwfully wrong if phrased badly or played with a bad rhythmic feel, a wrong note can sound amazing when phrased good or played with a great rhythmic feel. Judge for yourself!!!
how would i know if that certain musician i listen to is a pretender? :-D
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how would i know if that certain musician i listen to is a pretender? :-D
you'll know it yourself
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you'll know it yourself
oh yesss, im the great pretender!haha :-D
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guys, anong genre ulit yung ganito? i mean, sub genre of jazz (if there's one)
What is Hip - Bass Day 98
dave weckl's - the chicken
at ano ano pang songs ang may ganitong style? kasi naghahanap pa ako ng ganito for practice :D thanks!
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Learn the blues first. :-D
+1000000000000
Thank God somebody didn't forget to mention the blues.
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+1000000000000
Thank God somebody didn't forget to mention the blues.
Yep the blues! :)
One thing that I don't think should be overlooked - learn to sing! And learn to sing the blues! :-D
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-Nobody is telling anybody to skip theory.
-You SHOULD play what you hear, of course not the fast stuffs you'll learn nothing from just doing random fast things.
-Nobody is putting anybody down.
-No one is here for jazz competition, just exercising the freedom of speech and hopefully be viewed positively, if not... well, that's life.
I remember that line, that was exactly what sir Aya told me a year ago, and it still sticks to me, by the way has he gotten a new cell number? di ko sya macontact eh
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LISTENLISTENLISTENLISTEN!!!! ok sana!!kc magiging pamilyar ka!! But for me the best yung ono on one turuan!! HAHAHAHA SARAP nun
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Pabili rin ako --- chichacorn tsaka Marlboro reds.
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guys, anong genre ulit yung ganito? i mean, sub genre of jazz (if there's one)
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dave weckl's - the chicken
brader higad....yes dave weckl did play "the chicken"...but he isn't his song
kay ogie at kay micheal v yang chicken na yan :-D
...jaco pastorius po :-D
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Yep the blues! :)
One thing that I don't think should be overlooked - learn to sing! And learn to sing the blues! :-D
how do you know if you have the right to sing the blues? :wink:
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You have the right to sing the blues
anything you sing can and will be used againt you in a court of blues
you have the right to a bluesman
if you cannot afford to sing the blues, a blues singer will be hired to represent you
do you understand these rights as i have explained them to you?
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You have the right to sing the blues
anything you sing can and will be used againt you in a court of blues
you have the right to a bluesman
if you cannot afford to sing the blues, a blues singer will be hired to represent you
do you understand these rights as i have explained them to you?
Chief, baka naman mapaguusapan natin 'to... Ito, Chief, pang-merienda. :)
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Chief, baka naman mapaguusapan natin 'to... Ito, Chief, pang-merienda. :)
Ahhh... hindi pwede yan. Malaki violation mo, iho, eh. Playing jazz without a license.
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Ahhh... hindi pwede yan. Malaki violation mo, iho, eh. Playing jazz without a license.
Sige na chief, palagpasin niyo na po.. sobra-sobra na 'tong pampasalubong para kay JR.
Eh... matanong ko rin, chief. 'San ba nakakakuha ng lisensya?
:-D
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Sige na chief, palagpasin niyo na po.. sobra-sobra na 'tong pampasalubong para kay JR.
Eh... matanong ko rin, chief. 'San ba nakakakuha ng lisensya?
:-D
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