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The Musician Forums => Music Technology & Pro Audio => Topic started by: BALDO on July 04, 2007, 10:56:21 AM
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any user of mackie control surface here ( Mackie MCU pro) ? been eyeing on that product for weeks now.. sayang kasi yung Tascam control surface .. they discontinued it.. Is it really wortht it?
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i would recommend the mackie even if it werre a little pricier than the tascam. why? ELECTRONIC LABels. this might seem like a trivial thing, but trust me it's not. :lol:
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musta Baldo?
Bumili ka na lang ng Digi003!! hehehe :-D
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i use it. i use the main unit with an extender (16 faders) and the C4 plugin extender. the unit is nice although i don't know how mine compares to the new version. I have the all grey unit and they have one that has white trim on it or something. the support for cubase and nuendo might be better. i don't have complain'ts about the MUC because its well made and gets the job done.
the only qualm i have about the unit is that i wish the 16 (or more faders) came together in a single unit like the tascam or my Control 24. It sucks having to buy 2-3 units just to get a better representation of your virtual mixing environment. however, the unit is well made, the faders are smooth-almost as smooth as the Control 24's-and the support for the software suites out there are pretty good.
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astrobog musta na pare ko!!! digi003? hindi na..happy na ako sa MOTU HD 192 ko... saka nde ko na kailangan pang mag aral ulit ng ibang flatform like PROTOOLS.. ito ngang Nuendo eh hindi ko pa alam ng totally eh hehehe..
Abbys, yeah i think it supports Nuendo and Cubase well..me mga Face plate para sa controls na para sa Nuendo, Cubase, etc..
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astrobog musta na pare ko!!! digi003? hindi na..happy na ako sa MOTU HD 192 ko... saka nde ko na kailangan pang mag aral ulit ng ibang flatform like PROTOOLS.. ito ngang Nuendo eh hindi ko pa alam ng totally eh hehehe..
Abbys, yeah i think it supports Nuendo and Cubase well..me mga Face plate para sa controls na para sa Nuendo, Cubase, etc..
yeah, the MCU should support cubase well, that was the reason I got it because I wanted something that would emulate the hardware interface on Cubase a'la Control 24 or whatever was closest to it at the time. However, some firmware versions of my unit had Cubase glitches that people complained about and some units reportedly shipped with the older firmware versions on them. I suspect all of this has been ironed out with the new releases. I never had problems with my unit integrating with Nuendo and CSX3 so I can vouch for those programs but C4 may be a bit sketchy if you use that.
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yeah abbys i was playing with penny /giles faders and it felt GOOOOODD.. hmmm july 4th na nga pala.. i see some good DEALS at their site..
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I honestly still don't know if I should invest on real flying faders of a DAW controller if I can get a less-expensive analog mixer with a nice 2-channel ADC. Parang ang dating sa akin ng surface controller parang mouse lang na nilagyan ng buttons. :? :? :?
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I honestly still don't know if I should invest on real flying faders of a DAW controller if I can get a less-expensive analog mixer with a nice 2-channel ADC. Parang ang dating sa akin ng surface controller parang mouse lang na nilagyan ng buttons. :? :? :?
pwede din, parang nag summing mixer ka nalang pag ganon. if you have a lot of outputs on your audio interface ok din analog mixer instead of a controller. however, a controller is really convenient when it comes to automating a mix. plus you can't beat the "whoa factor" of flying faders ;) hehe.
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I honestly still don't know if I should invest on real flying faders of a DAW controller if I can get a less-expensive analog mixer with a nice 2-channel ADC. Parang ang dating sa akin ng surface controller parang mouse lang na nilagyan ng buttons. :? :? :?
pwede din, parang nag summing mixer ka nalang pag ganon. if you have a lot of outputs on your audio interface ok din analog mixer instead of a controller. however, a controller is really convenient when it comes to automating a mix. plus you can't beat the "whoa factor" of flying faders ;) hehe.
For the longest time I gassed for a TASCAM US-2400. But time and again, I end up buying something else over it. Say, more modules for my Randall RM100? :-D Or more outboard compressors? I have an old DOD 1220 Mixer and it does fine. Maybe at least my clients can see a bunch of faders that's why... :-D
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I honestly still don't know if I should invest on real flying faders of a DAW controller if I can get a less-expensive analog mixer with a nice 2-channel ADC. Parang ang dating sa akin ng surface controller parang mouse lang na nilagyan ng buttons. :? :? :?
pwede din, parang nag summing mixer ka nalang pag ganon. if you have a lot of outputs on your audio interface ok din analog mixer instead of a controller. however, a controller is really convenient when it comes to automating a mix. plus you can't beat the "whoa factor" of flying faders ;) hehe.
For the longest time I gassed for a TASCAM US-2400. But time and again, I end up buying something else over it. Say, more modules for my Randall RM100? :-D Or more outboard compressors? I have an old DOD 1220 Mixer and it does fine. Maybe at least my clients can see a bunch of faders that's why... :-D
personally if i could do it all over again i think i would do without the flying faders and invest the money elsewhere. you know what made me REALLY decide to go for the US-2400? clients. their perception of the studio matters. i think they get the feeling that a studio is a real studio if they see faders. plus they get wowed when the faders move by themselves :lol: i dont mean to undermine the client' intelligence, mind you. just that impressions REALLY matter. they are more at ease when they see some sort of mixer on one's worksapce.
to be honest, i could still work without it. BUT i will still need a jogwheel, LOL. i was spoiled this way.
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I honestly still don't know if I should invest on real flying faders of a DAW controller if I can get a less-expensive analog mixer with a nice 2-channel ADC. Parang ang dating sa akin ng surface controller parang mouse lang na nilagyan ng buttons. :? :? :?
depends what you want to do. i bought the MCU because I got used to using faders to do my automation on my Control 24 that I'd be damned if I was going to go back to using my mouse to draw in automation when I needed something done on the PC. Sure, I don't rent out my studio but how fast I go through projects matters to me a lot so my purchase was based on how efficiently the gear was going to make a difference in my workflow. I rarely look at the screen when I mix and I ride the faders out of habit so the investment was a no brainer.
Investing in a control surface over outboard gear is dependent on what you exactly need and want to accomplish. If you have outboard gear that you've grown to trust, invest in something else. Why change things that work for you? I mean, it doesn't make sense (to me) to keep on investing in the same thing all in the name of upgrading when you haven't really tapped into the potential of a piece of gear. I stick with pieces of gear for years on end before I even make a move to invest in an upgrade and this is mainly because I find it useless to waste money on something I haven't fully learned.
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Mackie schmakie... I'm gonna get me an Alpha Track one of these days.
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Mackie schmakie... I'm gonna get me an Alpha Track one of these days.
hihihi
kaso walang jog wheel, hehe. yun nalang kulang mabubuhay na ata ako dito. kaso i think i would mind pressing the bank button 45 times to get to track 45, LOL. may workaround naman siguro :)
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Mackie schmakie... I'm gonna get me an Alpha Track one of these days.
nice and simple. can't be beat:)
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I honestly still don't know if I should invest on real flying faders of a DAW controller if I can get a less-expensive analog mixer with a nice 2-channel ADC. Parang ang dating sa akin ng surface controller parang mouse lang na nilagyan ng buttons. :? :? :?
well i think dapat IBA naman.. me ok na akong mic pre at AD converter.. nakaka inis na minsan kasi yung mouse eh.. 8-) x3 pa kasi wireless yung mouse ko..
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I honestly still don't know if I should invest on real flying faders of a DAW controller if I can get a less-expensive analog mixer with a nice 2-channel ADC. Parang ang dating sa akin ng surface controller parang mouse lang na nilagyan ng buttons. :? :? :?
that's how gerard describes the control24's we have at gc4. it's a very big mouse.
some people are pretty good mixing with a mouse, but i also can't deny how a mix wherein the fades aren't too linear sounds so much more musical to me. then again, that could just be me.
i'm also trying to save up for a good summing mixer. like the tl audio m3. even just the 8 channel version.
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BALDO! CEZAR!! bilhin mo na yan! heheehe
Im also eying for that :D
o diba matching yung onyx mo at MCU :D
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ala na..nde na ako nagising kanina eh..tapos na july 4th sale ..haaayyy..iintay pa ng susunod na holiday..
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Cezar, you need something like this then:
Dangerous 2-bus (http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/2BusLT/)
(http://www.sweetwater.com/images/items/215/2BusLT.jpg)
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I honestly still don't know if I should invest on real flying faders of a DAW controller if I can get a less-expensive analog mixer with a nice 2-channel ADC. Parang ang dating sa akin ng surface controller parang mouse lang na nilagyan ng buttons. :? :? :?
that's how gerard describes the control24's we have at gc4. it's a very big mouse.
some people are pretty good mixing with a mouse, but i also can't deny how a mix wherein the fades aren't too linear sounds so much more musical to me. then again, that could just be me.
i'm also trying to save up for a good summing mixer. like the tl audio m3. even just the 8 channel version.
hehehe. I was just thinking about that. The difference is, you can't just mute 6 channels at a time with a mouse (unless you make a group, pero gagawa ka pa nga lang ng group), or grab 5 faders at a time and pull them down, or mess around with pan automation in one hand and volume in the other. After getting used to the control24, I can safely say that there's no way I'd live without a control surface if recording and mixing were my everyday tasks. There's nothing like reaching out and grabbing a fader or a knob and use your ears more than your eyes. Sure, wala siyang bearing sa tunog mismo, pero napakalaking bagay pagdating sa efficiency and "fun" factor....for me anyway...and that has an effect on the sound. One day I wish to have a Euphonix System5 MC....that for me is the ultimate in control surfaces. If you have the dough, the SSL Duality isn't bad either :-)
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Never saw so many Control24's in one place. Thanks for giving me, Jepoy and Hazel the grand tour, Gerard! :-D
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you could ask Mark lacay, their studio, Sweetspot, has a room of the Mackie MCU, Extender & C4 with a pair of HR824s
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sorry forerunner.. ala ako jan sa pinas... para makita ko lang yang Mackie na yan bibili pa ako ng ticket na napakamahal at wala pang mabili kasi peak season.. :x.. nadisgrasya vacation ko..
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BTW i dont like the Mackie HR824.. i have used one.. mas GAMAY ko ang tunog ng mura kong EVENT spkrs hehehe.. bingi na yata ako kasi malapit sa Genelec yung dinig ko.. :-D :-D :-D which i am THINKING of getting kapag me pera na.. GAS IS KING hehehe :evil:
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OT: Sayang ala ka dito sa pinas ngayon BALDO at buti na lang may dala akong BIB! grabe sa Carmel House!
Tnx Gerard for the Tour :)
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BTW i dont like the Mackie HR824.. i have used one.. mas GAMAY ko ang tunog ng mura kong EVENT spkrs hehehe.. bingi na yata ako kasi malapit sa Genelec yung dinig ko.. :-D :-D :-D which i am THINKING of getting kapag me pera na.. GAS IS KING hehehe :evil:
i kind of agree. the HR824 sounds muffled to me but the things sound great for mixing rock with Linkin Park or Helmet sounding guitars. I think the HR 626 with the D'Apolito's sound like a much better "general-use" set of monitors. As far as subs go, I do like the HR120 sub without a doubt. I've been using one or about 2 years now and it is pretty accurate and solid.
I've come to rely on my Events and Genelec as my main speakers because I know how they work. They may have faults like any other speakers but I know how they translate to a variety of systems.
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OT: Sayang ala ka dito sa pinas ngayon BALDO at buti na lang may dala akong BIB! grabe sa Carmel House!
Tnx Gerard for the Tour :)
yaan mo lagi ako tumataya sa lotto hehehe .. i got to have one of those places hahaha.. me pm ako sa iyo
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OT: Sayang ala ka dito sa pinas ngayon BALDO at buti na lang may dala akong BIB! grabe sa Carmel House!
Tnx Gerard for the Tour :)
the pleasure's mine! it was great meeting you, Kit, and Hazel. Marvin was right on when he said you guys are really nice people. I hope to get together again. :-)
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BTW.. puwede bang gamitin para sa MIDI sequencing itong control surface dahil me MIDI in and out yata ito??
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BTW.. puwede bang gamitin para sa MIDI sequencing itong control surface dahil me MIDI in and out yata ito??
Well, yes. But only for parameter control and automation. You might also be able to output notes, but what's the point of going chromatically up and down the scale unless your song is 100% glissandos. The midi ports are meant to control other midi equipped devices, EDIT: (or it can serve as an additional midi interface when the controller is connected via usb with your computer) - I forgot that the MCU has no usb connection... I was thinking of another interface. - My bad!
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Baldo,
Meron siyang MIDI in and out kasi ganoon yung pagkakabit niya sa computer mo, via MIDI. You can use it to sequence fader moves, etc....and kung gagamitin mo yung Mackie Control C4, you can control your virtual synths and plug ins. Best bet nalang diyan is to borrow one and try it on your setup for a few days. :-)
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Galing mo talaga Gerard hehehe.. NAISIP mo yung INIISIP ko.. :-D.. actually me mahihiraman ako kaya lang hindi pa ako nagmi mix.. 8-).. saka nahihiya pa ako ( kahit kaunti naman meron pa ) :oops:..pero ma try nga yang FLYING FADERS na yan hehehe
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KIT actually me USB connection yung bagong MCU PRO.. :-o.. ok na dun sa hihiraman.. :-D sa mixing stage pwede ko ng gahasain yung control surface hehehe
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Ayos! Pag na try mo na....kwento mo naman. Nagiisip din akong kumuha ng ganyan eh. Ngayon gumagamit ako ng Frontier Design Alpha Track. Masarap gamitin....kaso isang fader lang. Maliit lang kasi desk space kaya oks lang. I'm sure the MCU C4 is great...lao na sa pag adjust ng mga plug ins :-)
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Gerard..oo nga ok yung para sa plugins.. but you know what? ang lintek na mackie mcu pro e NAGTITIPID yata sa papel dahil ang pangit na ng instruction manual, iilang page pa at wala pang masyadong INSTRUCTIONS.. :x.. ni walang mga examples di katulad ng ibang products.. baka sa susunod ko na pag aralan kasi nakakatamad, isa pa nasa tracking stage pa kami..
ps
mas nagagandahan ako sa protools na control surface, mas maganda hitsura kaso nde pwede sa system ko.. WALA NA BANG MAS MAGANDANG CONTROL SURFACE NA AVAILABLE SA MARKET??? AESTHETIC WISE.. yung sa Alesis e sa DEC 2007 pa ang labas..hayyyy..
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Baldo...kung hahanap ka man ng bukod sa Mackie, make sure each channel has an LCD or anything to let you know what channel is on which fader. Walang ganyan sa baby HUI....napakahirap talaga. Madalas akong magkamali ng channel kasi nga hindi naka label. Madalas pa naman tayong magtrabaho ng puyat diba? Mas lalong magkakagulo niyan. :-)
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well, if you have the dough (how stupid of me -- of course you have the dough!), maybe you wanna consider this...
http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM05/Content/JazzMutant/PR/Lemur.html
or this...
http://www.jazzmutant.com/dexter_introduction.php
P.S. Waaaaaaah! I want one!!!
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WOW... ang ganda.. yan ang sinasabi ko.. meron pang mas maganda in terms of looks, design at functionality.. ang tanong na lang e MAGKANO??? sa cali at florida lang pala dealers.. ala dito sa tristate..hayyy..
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Baldo...kung hahanap ka man ng bukod sa Mackie, make sure each channel has an LCD or anything to let you know what channel is on which fader. Walang ganyan sa baby HUI....napakahirap talaga. Madalas akong magkamali ng channel kasi nga hindi naka label. Madalas pa naman tayong magtrabaho ng puyat diba? Mas lalong magkakagulo niyan. :-)
very true mr. gerard. it might seem like a trivial thing, pero labels make the difference.
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WOW... ang ganda.. yan ang sinasabi ko.. meron pang mas maganda in terms of looks, design at functionality.. ang tanong na lang e MAGKANO??? sa cali at florida lang pala dealers.. ala dito sa tristate..hayyy..
the lemur is around 3k usd at audiomidi.com. the dexter is even pricier.
...priced perfectly for the GAS king. haha.
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3k? what? 3x ng presyo ng mackie?? hmmm for that amount me extender na additional tracks at meron na din mcu4 para sa plugins.. oh well.. as usual hintayong bumaba ang price 8-).. but i have to admit.. IMPRESSED ako sa hitsura niya :-D.. anong GAS KING?? ekskyus me isa lang akong hamak na hobbyist ano.. 8-)
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Baldo...kung hahanap ka man ng bukod sa Mackie, make sure each channel has an LCD or anything to let you know what channel is on which fader. Walang ganyan sa baby HUI....napakahirap talaga. Madalas akong magkamali ng channel kasi nga hindi naka label. Madalas pa naman tayong magtrabaho ng puyat diba? Mas lalong magkakagulo niyan. :-)
very true mr. gerard. it might seem like a trivial thing, pero labels make the difference.
oh hell yeah....if you dont have lcd labels you can always do it the old school way and use track labels with masking tape. just make sure to use the painters masking tape which doesnt leave a sticky residue and comes off easily.
i like expandability of the Mackie with the extenders, however, i do wish the default fader set wasn't limited to 8 tracks...maybe at least 16 or something like my control 24. The freedom of having more faders makes it easier for me to do my work.
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Dexter , Dexter , Dexter hahahha.. baka maging Dexter Doria ito hahahaha :-D :-D :-D.. oh well.. saka na sa mixing stage na iisipin yan.. 5 songs pa lang kami at tracking pa lang..
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Finally got hold of a Mackie Control Pro.. connected the usb to the computer then powered it up..AND.... waiting..nothing.. what did i do wrong? i am running it on Nuendo..any suggestions?
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Finally got hold of a Mackie Control Pro.. connected the usb to the computer then powered it up..AND.... waiting..nothing.. what did i do wrong? i am running it on Nuendo..any suggestions?
check the IRQ assignments if you didn't get an error and check that the drivers that came with the control surface are up to date for your QX processor. speaking of new control surfaces, i noticed that Digidesign came out with a spiffier design of my Control 24 AND its in black - syet - it looks cooler than my grey one!
(http://akmedia.digidesign.com/products/images/c24_big_11406.jpg)
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aw! ang puge naman nyan!
drooollllllll! :-o 8-) :mrgreen:
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i just found out it works without having to use the cd that came with it..no need for drivers. :wink:. the problem was with the USB connection.. finally it is working.. 8-)
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Gerard. ok yung Mackie.especially yung flying faders hehehe..works very well with Nuendo 3.. now i need more time to study it..then i can tell you how it went.. pero kagabi inabot ako ng 4am pag load ng plugins.. hayyyy... :cry:
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yikes....check devices in Nuendo. Nung kinabit ko yung alpha track ko, ganyan din nangyari. All I needed to do was activate it in the device panel. Pare naka Nuendo ka pala....pinakamagandang controller diyan yung Euphonix MC....pang Nuendo talaga. Mahal nga lang, pero hanep.
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Euphonix? Ganda nun!! oo mahal nga.. nde kaya ng powers ko.. reklamo ko lang sa Mackie kahit naka off na yung motor e "it has a mind of its own".. marunong pa sa gumagamit eh..hehehe.. why does it behave like that? anyone knows?
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kahit naka off na yung motor e "it has a mind of its own"..
Ghost in the machine? :-D
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Finally got it to work..yehey!!! it is not in the IRQ conflict nor device setup..it is the USB connection
LESSON LEARNED.. Control Surface and WEBCAM don't mix :evil: