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The Music Forums => The Rock Music Board => Topic started by: coolvoice on July 26, 2007, 01:37:42 PM
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Is this because there is little or no creativity involved, most songs are just recycled from other songs and the lyrics are all about the same boring bullshizzle. Most bands are also just used to write a few "good" songs and make as much money as possible on one big blowout, like all those crappy boy bands controlled by corporations, when's the last time you heard anything about them?
here's an article that suggests music isn't so hot today compared to other times:
http://www.bestshowticketslasvegas.com/articles/bad-music.asp (http://www.bestshowticketslasvegas.com/articles/bad-music.asp)
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i dont think so. sa local rock scene siguro hinde.. ewan ko.. kasi marami pang banda na hindi pa kilala tapos napapanood ko. tapos pinakikinggan ko.. hehe. ayos nga e.. so parang hinde ako napapangitan sa mga sounds ko ngayon.. pero kung ibang genre naman hindi kna alam.. hindi nko nakakarinig ng radyo e.. puro net na lang ako.. :-D
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The solution to this is in your own hands. Start writing good music. If you can't write good music then support bands or artists that do - buy their cd's, watch their shows, request their songs, advocate them to others.
I won't be nostalgic about the past because for me it was much worse then. The Marcos dictatorship had everyone in society scared to stand out and be different. Everyone wanted to be "safe". Music was lame and all started sounding alike. Until everyone finally got fed up. It was a sort of people power that shot the Eraserheads out of obscurity, and brought progressive stations like LA and NU into the limelight, and opened the doors for many other new acts.
If you feel that things are stagnating again, then it's time to start making some noise! :evil: :evil: :evil:
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basta ko. steady lang. supot!! ay, support pala. :lol: support local music. yown lang. chaka naeenjoy ko naman lahat e. kaya ayos lang. :-D
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i read the article... i thought it was a pointless, cynical article... he is basically saying, everything sucks and nothing is original.
i find it funny that ppl focus on originality a bit too much ... i mean, whats with being original anyway? you want original... INVENT an instrument! ... use horse hair on your guitar and synthetic carbon strings on your bass... that is ORIGINAL. but then again, it would also suck!
mainstream music of today is just as terrible as mainstream music of yesterday (and will be as terrible as music of tomorrow) - although i enjoy a little beach boys every now and then, we can argue that they are equally just as bad as backstreet boys back in their time. if i was born in the 70's no way would i even mention the beach boys.
mainstream will always appeal to the LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR (LCD if you remember fractions), because thats where the money is. if you want good music? ... look for it, dont trust radio or MTV to spoon feed it to you.
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Hindi ko po alam ang sagot dyan kasi hindi ako sang-ayon.
Siguro sa mainstream? :?
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A few decades ago, rock and roll was considered a stupid fad that would die a natural death.
I would say that to older ears, newer music has a good chance of sounding like crap. it seems to be the cycle of history, LOL.
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eh i think kasi ang daming mga music band promoting finding programs....mga tipong musik laban....edi parang with the good ones...mas marami ring mga not so good na masisiksik
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mahirap na tanong yan ah, pag tatanungin siguro natin mga kabataan ngayon, sasabihin nila madami maganda ngayon, tumatanda lang siguro tayo hehehe.
"The solution to this is in your own hands. Start writing good music."
yup
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You don't hear with your ears, you percieve with your mind. *sigh* everybody's a critic...
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i read the article... i thought it was a pointless, cynical article... he is basically saying, everything sucks and nothing is original.
i find it funny that ppl focus on originality a bit too much ... i mean, whats with being original anyway? you want original... INVENT an instrument! ... use horse hair on your guitar and synthetic carbon strings on your bass... that is ORIGINAL. but then again, it would also suck!
mainstream music of today is just as terrible as mainstream music of yesterday (and will be as terrible as music of tomorrow) - although i enjoy a little beach boys every now and then, we can argue that they are equally just as bad as backstreet boys back in their time. if i was born in the 70's no way would i even mention the beach boys.
mainstream will always appeal to the LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR (LCD if you remember fractions), because thats where the money is. if you want good music? ... look for it, dont trust radio or MTV to spoon feed it to you.
agree ako dito.. kung binbabad mo lang sarili mo lagi sa love radio, dapat alam mo na mga tipo ng kantang maririnig mo.. go look for what's good in your ear, don't just wait for it to come to you.. or better yet, make one.. :-)
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Why Is Most Music So Bad Today?
because a lot of people still buy bad music for the image or because it's cool or because the vocalist is hot etc. etc. etc.
good music is still around in every genre a lot of people just choose to listen to crap.
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Why Is Most Music So Bad Today?
Im not sure why...maybe because most listeners are. :|
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quotes from one of my guitarist idols, Michael Schenker:
"Clever people know they can manipulate stereotyped people. 80% of humans are stereotyped, so the clever people can do a lot of manipulation and there is a lot of money to be made. "
"Because it is so commercialized and based on being trendy and fashionable, people don't express themselves; they go with the flow. We end up with stereotyped people. "
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personally, i wont say every music of today is bad though i dont like 98% of MTV. lol. its just, kids today arent exposed to yesterday's music or perhaps simply it never crossed their minds to research or dig them. coz only serious music lovers/musicians would do so.
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Why Is Most Music So Bad Today?
Im not sure why...maybe because most listeners are. :|
+1, we adapt to what is needed, right? LOL
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Why Is Most Music So Bad Today?
Im not sure why...maybe because most listeners are. :|
+1, we adapt to what is needed, right? LOL
that is hard to change!! :lol:
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its not that bad. just stop listening to the radio and watching music vid channels
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its not that bad. just stop listening to the radio and watching music vid channels
+10000
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its not that bad. just stop listening to the radio and watching music vid channels
+10000
hindi naman siguro totally stop!! bawasan lang..
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yep bawas lang
personally im proud of what we have right now sa OPM
im proud that kahit marami tayong banda na sumasabay sa uso sa ibang bansa, meron parin tayong sariling uso na feeling ko pag narinig ng ibang bansa, makikiuso rin sila. anyway...as i always end my comments with a big,,,
IMHO
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Nauso kasi ang POGI ROCK THAT SUCKS eh..
tas dumami pa sila.. yayks!!!
di gaya dati.. mga EHEADS, MAYA.. THE BEST!!
Ang! awit! ng kabataaannnn!!!! panahooonnn!!! :-D
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most music isnt bad....its just that some people dont bother to explore music enough to find the good stuff...
ung iba kasi puro rock or pop lang....eh may maganda rin naman sa ibang genre.....
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Nauso kasi ang POGI ROCK THAT SUCKS eh..
tas dumami pa sila.. yayks!!!
di gaya dati.. mga EHEADS, MAYA.. THE BEST!!
Ang! awit! ng kabataaannnn!!!! panahooonnn!!! :-D
Oo nga :-)
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^ngayon puro na lang AWIT NG KABADUYAN!!! :evil:
they should be called F*CK ROCK.. not POGI ROCK.. di naman sila pogi ah! :lol:
siguro feeling POGI oo!! pacute lang ang alam amp.. Boyband Wannabees! BE GONE! :lol:
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I still remember a time when the only rock you'd hear on the radio was The Dawn.
Everything else made by Pinoys seemed to be written by Vehnee Saturno, Jomari Chan, and their contemporaries with their ballads (a.k.a. boilerplate, by-the-numbers overproduced pop music). At least the ratio of songwriters of their ilk have evened out to rock's advantage with the arrival of fresh blood in the 90's by Ely, The Villegas brothers (Rizal Underground), Joey Ayala and others who were carrying the torch from the 70's and 80's.
Nasa internet ka na maghanap ng matitinong musikero. Kahit na wala na ako sa Pilipinas, nasusubaybayan ko pa rin ang tugtugan ng The Dorques, Angulo, Sonnet LVIII (may plaka na raw sila na mai-rerelease), Taken By Cars (kailangan na rin nilang ilabas yung debut album nila), Sheila and The Insects, at tsaka iba pa. Nandyan ang hatawang rock sa Pilipinas, huwag kang mawalan ng pag-asa.
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mas okay pa nga ata yung mga ibang boy bands noon (Backstreet Boys, Westlife, etc.) kaysa sa mga ibang pogi rock bands natin dito eh..
sa tingin ko kaya sila naging pogi rock kasi naging sobrang mainstream sila. yung mga music channels kasi, yung mga bands na yun yung focus nila. :-(
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In fairness naman sa industriya, mas ok naman ngayon kasi yung dating 'underground music' napapatugtog na sa mga radyo ngayon. Yun nga lang madaming nakigaya sa mga nauna kaya nawala ang creativity/originality at masyadong naging komersyal. Wala nang 'laman' ang mga karamihan sa kanta ngayon, madaming puro pera-pera ang habol sa pag gawa ng kanta. :-(
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sigh, para sakin may pro's and cons ang bawat bagay e. oo, may mga mainstream na banda ngyn. oo,sila yung mga hindi natin gusto. PERO sila yung may mga pera. im not saying this generally ah. pero tingnan na lang natn yung ibang taong walang pera, tapos sa POGI rock lang sila kumikita. diba mahirap ren magsalita. kasi kung hindi nila gagawin yun, wala silang kakainen. wala silang ipapakain sa pamilya nila. tapos yung mga ASTIG na sinasabi natin, kung iisipin nyo. paano nila binubuhay yung mga pamilya nila? diba? BADUY nga sila pero sila yung may magandang buhay. tapos ASTIG nga sila. pero kung wala ka namang pera. san naman nila kikitain yung pangkain ng pamilya nila. san nila kikitain yung pang aral ng mga anak nila. haaaaayyyyy. maswerte na siguro yung mga bandang mayaman talaga. tapos gusto pa nila yung ginagawa nila. dba?.. sigh. hirap kumita ng pera pagdating sa musika.. tsktsk.. matagal ko na naiisip toh e.. and finally nalabas ko rin.. lastly, WALA AKONG KINAKAMPIHAN. reality check lang.. hehe. peace! :mrgreen:
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perhaps its due to the your own personal taste. by that i mean that it's not quite the same music that you've grown accustomed to as you were growing up. personally, i like the way music evolves with every generation, may it be due to the listeners or the musicians themselves. there's an entire pallet of sounds in the world that could be used for music and it would be unfortunate if we would keep reusing the same old sounds and ignore the other ones, just because we're not used to them. also, we can't really start a musical revolution and prevent people from making "bad" music, nor can we deprive people of music they choose to listen to. and yes, there are people out there who enjoy mainstream music. that's why it's referred to as "mainstream", because of its popularity with the public.
also, i find it hard to define "bad music". what is it that actually makes it people cringe when they listen to it? does it really matter if other people don't like it? i am one of those who write songs for myself and not for anyone else. if any of you listen to my stuff, you'll most probably flame it or just plain ignore it, but that doesn't bother me at all. i find it unusual that people try to "adapt" themselves to whatever it is that others enjoy. again, i write songs for me and for no one else. if i play in a bar somewhere and for some reason i decide to play my originals, i wouldn't care if people boo me or praise me. i don't even care if people listen or not. i'm just happy about the fact that i was given the chance to express myself onstage. the song could be bad, but it allowed me to capture whatever it was that i was feeling at the time i wrote it. it's almost therapeutic for me. if someone approaches me after my set and gives me their opinions about the songs, may it be positive or not, i would find it a compliment still that they actually gave me a few moments of their time. i know some people think that you're not an artist unless you have an audience, but i don't claim to be that either. i'm just someone who happens to have some time to craft some songs. when i write a song, i don't say to myself "this has got to sound this way..they'll absolutely love it". the thought that others would get to listen to my songs one day doesn't even cross my mind.
at the end of the day, it's up to us to choose the music we want to listen to. if you find some types of music cringe-worthy, just don't listen to it. i'm sure other people enjoy that type of music and it's not up to us to choose what others should listen to as well. after all, we don't like being force-fed ourselves.
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so songs' lyrics are pretty pointless nowadays...
sa pinas parang wala ng originality...
revival mad up for some of the lost time that could have been some new hits...
pero overall were going in the right track..
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Talaga ngang konektado ang bawat kanta sa gumawa, napansin ko lang, once a band is accused of "making-music-just-for-money", naapektuhan patu yung musika nila.
Think of your favorite band singing the best song of your most hated band. Siguro kung yung paborito mong banda ang gumawa ng kantang naisip mo. Iba siguro ang pagkakakita natin sa kanta. :-)
My opinion, no offenses. :-)
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pero i have to admit, i like AKON....woooo ooooo! haha
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pero i have to admit, i like AKON....woooo ooooo! haha
dude di ka nagiisa jan ahahahaha!!! :-P
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I was thinking about this subject, and all i could come up with is a question, too:
"Why waste time listening and hating music you don't like?"
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I was thinking about this subject, and all i could come up with is a question, too:
"Why waste time listening and hating music you don't like?"
Sa iba kasi katatawanan na yun.
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piracy yan tol sa mga locolokong pirates yan....
in the many days parang ang dami ng dreamers nowadays
i blame John Lennon
"they say im a dreamer but im not the only one"
hehehehehe
pero malupetz at nagiging hilig ng kabataan ang pag babanda at pag mumusika
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I was thinking about this subject, and all i could come up with is a question, too:
"Why waste time listening and hating music you don't like?"
Sa iba kasi katatawanan na yun.
I'm sure, and if that's the case, they're welcome to it. But if you're seriously asking the question, then it's no laughing matter. Either just do something about it with what you've got to offer, or listen to better fare and support artists you like - shun "artists" who do little, in your mind, to further the state of the local music scene.
I assume that the thread was a serious question, so I answered it with a serious question in return, too.
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-Commercial Music-
Back to our program..
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lahat po nagawa na eh.. pano pa magiging original.. unless maganda ung composition nang isang band.. kahit may onting simmilarity sa luma.. ayos din dubuh? :-D
wag natin i generalize na "MOST Music TODAY IS BAD". kung di natin trip hayaan nalang natin ung mga bands na un.. me mga trip din naman tau na ayaw nang mga jologs eh. :)
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I was thinking about this subject, and all i could come up with is a question, too:
"Why waste time listening and hating music you don't like?"
Sa iba kasi katatawanan na yun.
Siguro, ang pagkilala sa hindi mo gusto ay pagkilala din sa gusto mo. You can define more what you like by defining what you don't want. (Sorry, pilit english ko.) :lol:
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I was thinking about this subject, and all i could come up with is a question, too:
"Why waste time listening and hating music you don't like?"
Sa iba kasi katatawanan na yun.
Siguro, ang pagkilala sa hindi mo gusto ay pagkilala din sa gusto mo. You can define more what you like by defining what you don't want. (Sorry, pilit english ko.) :lol:
NO doubt, that's true. But to waste more time on what you hate (other than identifying that you don't like it), is not the best way to go about things.
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I don't agree that Most Music is So Bad Today?
Bakit? Ang dami kayang magagandang music na nagagawa araw-araw... local man or foreign.
The problem is yung mga sumisikat yun ang hinde kagandahan (at least sa pandinig ng iba).
The music always evolving, yung akala mong pangit ngayon paglipas ng panahon groundbreaking na pala hehehehe.
Try to find other music aside from the one's that radios, tv and the media feeds you. ang dami dyan oh!
Don't read reviews. Listen to the music instead and judge for yourself.
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Kaya hindi nasasabing panget ang kanta kasi hindi sya naaayon sa gusto niyo, pero it takes a lot to compose, record and produce a song kahit gaano pa kabaduy yan or kahit ginaya lang yan, you still have to think of the lyrics and arrangement.
sabi sa akin ng producer namin dati: "You can consider yourself sikat kung baduy na ang kanta mo"
You wanna know why? Dahil accepted na sya ng general public and you are now a household name.
-open to discussion....
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galing. basta sakin kasi e. nasa tao lang yun pagdistinguish ng music.
kung maganda, yun ay dahil gusto mo. at kung pangit, yun ay dahil ayaw mo.
hehe. mahirap magsabi ng kung anuano about sa isang bagay. diba? lahat ng bagay may pros and cons.
sigh. tama si sir basscog, why waste your time listening and hating music you dont like?.. sigh.. :mrgreen:
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dont swallow the food you dont eat,
if you want to try, chew it first.
then if you still dont like it, RESPECT.
because to other people, its yummy. :-)
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I was thinking about this subject, and all i could come up with is a question, too:
"Why waste time listening and hating music you don't like?"
Sa iba kasi katatawanan na yun.
Siguro, ang pagkilala sa hindi mo gusto ay pagkilala din sa gusto mo. You can define more what you like by defining what you don't want. (Sorry, pilit english ko.) :lol:
NO doubt, that's true. But to waste more time on what you hate (other than identifying that you don't like it), is not the best way to go about things.
We all have different opinions, I respect yours. Time is important. :-)
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Is this because there is little or no creativity involved, most songs are just recycled from other songs and the lyrics are all about the same boring bullshizzle. Most bands are also just used to write a few "good" songs and make as much money as possible on one big blowout, like all those crappy boy bands controlled by corporations, when's the last time you heard anything about them?
pare lahat ng songs may katunog i guess
hindi mo lang alam kung ano sa sobrang dami ng kanta at banda sa buong mundo
imagine ilan lang ang mga instruments ilan lang ang mga nota sa bawat instruments
tapos bilangin mo kung ilang tao gumagamit ng mga yan
tingin mo may nota pa bang hindi nagagamit?
tama c IncX kung gusto mo ng kakaiba mag imbento ka ng instrument lol
basahin mo sig ni Panterica - ""Good artists copy, great artists steal"
wahehehe
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hmmm about tunes, iilan lang ang tono natin eh, from c,d,e,f,g,a,b tapos mga sharps / flats. mgailang notes yun? kung sa piano mo iba-base, yung 7 white keys tsaka 5 black keys, 12 notes in all, nagkakatalo lang sa octave. ngayon, dumadaan na naman yan sa variations like minors, sevenths, diminisheds, augmenteds, etc. compare niyo dami nun sa total number ng musicians sa buong mundo. meron at meron talagang magkakatalo.
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iadd mo pa yung kayang note lang ng vocals ng isang banda diba?.. talagang magkakatalo talaga kahit anu mang mangyare.. nasa pagaarrange lang yan. :-D
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Is this because there is little or no creativity involved, most songs are just recycled from other songs and the lyrics are all about the same boring bullshizzle. Most bands are also just used to write a few "good" songs and make as much money as possible on one big blowout, like all those crappy boy bands controlled by corporations, when's the last time you heard anything about them?
pare lahat ng songs may katunog i guess
hindi mo lang alam kung ano sa sobrang dami ng kanta at banda sa buong mundo
imagine ilan lang ang mga instruments ilan lang ang mga nota sa bawat instruments
tapos bilangin mo kung ilang tao gumagamit ng mga yan
tingin mo may nota pa bang hindi nagagamit?
tama c IncX kung gusto mo ng kakaiba mag imbento ka ng instrument lol
basahin mo sig ni Panterica - ""Good artists copy, great artists steal"
wahehehe
sige gagawa ako ng baril na kapag pumuputok eh kala mo kumakanta.. :lol:
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Is this because there is little or no creativity involved, most songs are just recycled from other songs and the lyrics are all about the same boring bullshizzle. Most bands are also just used to write a few "good" songs and make as much money as possible on one big blowout, like all those crappy boy bands controlled by corporations, when's the last time you heard anything about them?
pare lahat ng songs may katunog i guess
hindi mo lang alam kung ano sa sobrang dami ng kanta at banda sa buong mundo
imagine ilan lang ang mga instruments ilan lang ang mga nota sa bawat instruments
tapos bilangin mo kung ilang tao gumagamit ng mga yan
tingin mo may nota pa bang hindi nagagamit?
tama c IncX kung gusto mo ng kakaiba mag imbento ka ng instrument lol
basahin mo sig ni Panterica - ""Good artists copy, great artists steal"
wahehehe
Opinyon ko lang, meron pa namang lyrics at boses na gumagawa ng diperensya. :-)
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hmmm about tunes, iilan lang ang tono natin eh, from c,d,e,f,g,a,b tapos mga sharps / flats. mgailang notes yun? kung sa piano mo iba-base, yung 7 white keys tsaka 5 black keys, 12 notes in all, nagkakatalo lang sa octave. ngayon, dumadaan na naman yan sa variations like minors, sevenths, diminisheds, augmenteds, etc. compare niyo dami nun sa total number ng musicians sa buong mundo. meron at meron talagang magkakatalo.
yup! don't forget the modes.... hay...
creativity na lang talaga..
tignan mo ang novelty songs..
same motiff.. pero patok pa din...
bakit kaya? anu ang hiwaga ni lito camo?
pati din ang cueshe? same things just diff. lyrics
pero patok pa din... hay.. music scene here is a mess..
tignan mo si kim chui(tama ba?) may album na din...
pero i can say na mas madameng musicians and banda
na way better off na magaling sa kanya... hay...
music talaga.... a thing that we really love... bsta tugtug na lang
ako.... it's my life naman e... pabayaan na natin silang mga
sumisikay ng walang dahilan.. it's unfair.. pero ganyan talaga..
though luck..
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ganito na talaga takbo ng musika ngayon..
siguro magandang gawin natin...
ipamulat sa mga anak at magiging anak natin yung mga dating magandang takbo ng musika..
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Walang ibang sisisihin dito kung di ang bulok na systema!
hindi balanse ang scene! hindi equal opportunity para sa lahat ng kind of music!
ang problema sa systema, yung music na may "commercial appeal" lang ang nagdodominate, dictated lahat to ng cartel ng radio stations, music channels, magazines, concert organizers, artist management at madami pa...Kaya pag medyo maingay music ng isang band or walang commercial appeal, mahirap pumwesto sa eksena.. that's why most music of today is bad... kasi puro kabaduyan na lang ang lumalabas.. at yung ROCK kuno ngayon?
ROCK music is about Slamming, Headbanging, Being Loud & Wild, Unity, it's about Peace, Love & music "\m/ \m/" :-D
Rock music isn't about pacute.. papugee, being boyband, being baduy, being hated by the people.. it's not about being throwned with empty bottles by the rock fans :lol:
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also, i find it hard to define "bad music". what is it that actually makes it people cringe when they listen to it? does it really matter if other people don't like it? i am one of those who write songs for myself and not for anyone else. if any of you listen to my stuff, you'll most probably flame it or just plain ignore it, but that doesn't bother me at all. i find it unusual that people try to "adapt" themselves to whatever it is that others enjoy. again, i write songs for me and for no one else.
i'm the same way.. it's about spiritual healing. songs you wrote like 10 years ago are like time capsules opened everytime you play/sing it, it opens up a dimension in your spirituality that brings you back to the state you were in when you wrote it and just.. i can't express it in words.
IMO: to sum it all up, music is what you make it. it's pure expression may it be for yourself or for everyone else. honesty is what takes a song to a spiritual level. if it's written just for show then it is what it is.
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Kasi ung iba, basta may makanta lang sila, kahit revive lang
,ayos na....
wala halos silang original na kanta...
ganyan ang pinoy!
pina pairal kasi ang katamaran sa pag gawa ng lyrics at pag imbento ng chords!
Ung iba sinasabi nilang
"Eh ano ngayon kung revive lang?Binago naman namin ung tono ah!"
And so?!
Wala parin kayong originality!
Sorry sa mga napapatamaan ko...
Pero kung mag rerevive kayo ng isang kanta,
Yung kantang hindi madalas napapakinggan....
Ung mga sobrang OLD SCHOOL!
Baka ma appreciate pa ng ibang tao un...
:lol: Peace!
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But if we focus, some of the songs today are also nice. :-)
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yup.. meron pa din... merong few na gusto kong revivals..
pero e ung mga so called divas na walang ginawa kung di itili ung
mga revivals.. at tapos iacoustic ung revival song e
bossanize naman gagawin...
hehe.. di ba? may kanyang version ng revival..
anu kaya susunod?
ibibig band ang mga revival? that would be musically challenging...
hehe..
walang magawa ung ibang artist na kelangan ng kumita to ride
the trend.. hay...
hay... meron nga ako frend...
i love the music they played..
mejo mabigat pa nga tugtugan nila..
tamang alternative.. tapos bigla silang sumikat...
and the first single they played wasn't the version
they was playing bago sila sikat..
ung labels din kasi.. they change the music...
hay...
ilang beses na yang nangyari... may tropa talaga ako
na pagsikat nila.. iba na ung material ng songs nila...
hay... don't blame everymusician .. label tends to change
musicians...
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yup.. meron pa din... merong few na gusto kong revivals..
pero e ung mga so called divas na walang ginawa kung di itili ung
mga revivals.. at tapos iacoustic ung revival song e
bossanize naman gagawin...
hehe.. di ba? may kanyang version ng revival..
anu kaya susunod?
ibibig band ang mga revival? that would be musically challenging...
hehe..
walang magawa ung ibang artist na kelangan ng kumita to ride
the trend.. hay...
hay... meron nga ako frend...
i love the music they played..
mejo mabigat pa nga tugtugan nila..
tamang alternative.. tapos bigla silang sumikat...
and the first single they played wasn't the version
they was playing bago sila sikat..
ung labels din kasi.. they change the music...
hay...
ilang beses na yang nangyari... may tropa talaga ako
na pagsikat nila.. iba na ung material ng songs nila...
hay... don't blame everymusician .. label tends to change
musicians...
"Labels is [are] for models" - Miggy of Chicosci
Many artists preffered not to be labeled.
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because lots of bands lack musical integrity..peace :evil:
napansin nyo ba pg meron kang kantang bagay sa telenobela mejo promising na career mo...this is not what god intended music to be
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because lots of bands lack musical integrity..peace :evil:
napansin nyo ba pg meron kang kantang bagay sa telenobela mejo promising na career mo...this is not what god intended music to be
Critical kasi sa isang telenobela yung theme song. :-) (Opinion) :-)
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eh di ang mangyayari prang you just write songs considering marketability i.e. ung me potential sa telenobela
but then i still believe theres a lot of us here that stays true to our roots and play what we really wanted to play and not let something/someone tell or influence what we should do
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I don't think there is anything wrong with why one makes music. what is wrong is when one is not truthful about why the music is made, or why it is the way it is.
if you really want to make music for telenovelas, then hats off to you, especially if that's what you really want, and you say so.
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mas mabenta kasi ang mga bands o awit na madali intindihin... 'in it for money, lang ang trip"... :-D
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Mas madalas nga, nauuna pa yung kanta. Tapos kinukuha nang title. :-)
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yung solo artists natin, umaangat. yung bands natin, umaangat din. siguro yung problema lang yung mga songs. kaunti nalang kasi ang mga "anthem" natin. musical integrity nga ang kailangan talaga.. :-)
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mas mabenta kasi ang mga bands o awit na madali intindihin... 'in it for money, lang ang trip"... :-D
+1 sir
he he ang katotohanan bow
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^^ +10000
cause let's face it, mahirap yumaman sa music industry. so siguro yun yung isa sa mga reasons ng mga bands who are in the industry just for the money. :|
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^Unless they go John Mayer style. :lol:
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Is this for music in general? If it is Id have to disagree I think there are a lot of artists breaking new ground around the world...
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Siguro, isang dahilan kung bakit nasabing panget yung musika ngayon kasi, yung tema, paulit-ulit lang. :-)
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Kamo puro revive!pareho lang naman ang tono. Ang daming singer konti ang magaling na composer! :|
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Kamo puro revive!pareho lang naman ang tono. Ang daming singer konti ang magaling na composer! :|
agree ko dyan he he
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Sa tingin nyo, anu yung dahilan ng mga artists kung bakit madalas na silang mag revive? :?
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one thing comes into my mind...music discrimination....ive heard and even seen people died because of discrimination....para bang "death metal band pinapakinggan ko mas majufet kami sa inyo mga punk pinapakinggan" then punk group violently reacted and cause a chaos...someone died....likely scene....
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movie, tv. shows, even shirts nirerevive
wla na silang maisip na bago???
ok lang siguro mag revive pero ung revive na mismo yung irerevive???
ah ewan!
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Why Is Most Music So Bad Today?
because of capitalism, wala na ung essence of music... :x
and they don't strive for perfection...
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Cguro kulang pa sa good music education/apprecition ang mga listneners including the artist :-) or music is more on business rather than passion. :wink:
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Why Is Most Music So Bad Today?
because of capitalism, wala na ung essence of music... :x
and they don't strive for perfection...
Kahit din naman ako, gusto kung gumaling tumugtog pero ayaw ko maging perpekto.
Kasi kapag sinabing perpekto ka, tapos na, wala ka nang igagaling pa. :-)
Opinion ko lang Daniel. :-)
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bad recording
copy cats
cover cats
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Kahit din naman ako, gusto kung gumaling tumugtog pero ayaw ko maging perpekto.
Kasi kapag sinabing perpekto ka, tapos na, wala ka nang igagaling pa. :-)
Opinion ko lang Daniel. :-)
d ko naman po ibig sabihin na ikaw ang maging perfect eh. atleast ung art na ginagawa mo
ksi karamihan eh pwede na... opinion lng din po. :-D
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d ko naman po ibig sabihin na ikaw ang maging perfect eh. atleast ung art na ginagawa mo
ksi karamihan eh pwede na... opinion lng din po. :-D
Syempre kapag "perfect" ang artist pagdating sa larangan nya, perpekto din yung kakalabasan ng gawa nya. :-)
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siguro kasi di na ganun kauso ang POETRY
where the songs of the legends were written with passion, expressing their hearts, tales that became legends.
ngyun pag nag kaskas ng malungkot na guitar riff, emo na
pag nag kaskas ng distorted guitar lines, rock na
tapos revival pa or cover songs
tamad na mag compose
disregarded na ang lyrics, tsk tsk tsk
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siguro kasi di na ganun kauso ang POETRY
where the songs of the legends were written with passion, expressing their hearts, tales that became legends.
ngyun pag nag kaskas ng malungkot na guitar riff, emo na
pag nag kaskas ng distorted guitar lines, rock na
tapos revival pa or cover songs
tamad na mag compose
disregarded na ang lyrics, tsk tsk tsk
+1 usually paingayan na ngayon he he
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siguro mentality na ng mararaming opm artists na "di bale nalang kung nagaya, basta makakita lang.." :|
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I've said it before, i say it again...we're all getting old, hahahahaha.
When rock came out, the same question was posed by the oldies of that time.
And with every new generation, the generation before asks the same question.
and in the end, the generation whose music was labeled as bad by the preceding one, will ask it of the incoming generation's music.
and yet music will go on. har!
You'll only know if the music is really good when it stands the test of time.
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Music is always good....................Overall. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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its because mostly people in the music industry today dont have the musicanship in their hearts anymore. Some of them think that by doing music can make their rich LOL imho. :-D
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akala kasi ng mga tao, basta nakasulat at nakakumpleto sila ng isang kanta, ang galeng galeng na nila. Feeling nila super ganda na ng kanta, dahil sila ang nagsulat. kulang sa quality control ang mga songwriters today.
One of the reasons that the Beatles wrote so many good songs is their quality control. Lennon and McCartney balanced each other, and looked at their songs from an objective point of view. They spared no effort in improving each other's songs.
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mas magaganda ang composition ng lyrics nung araw kesa ngayon.
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Punto ni Stewart Copeland... lahat ng generation daw may 90% music crap. What we hear now from the past are the top 10%, the cream of the crop, so feeling natin na parang mas magaling ng music of yesteryears. Lalo na daw sa classical... malamang top 1% lang.
Nakarelate ako... I listened to this MP3 compilation made by this guy somewhere sa net ("9 albums of psycedelia" or something like that) of 60s bands. Pare, pangit lahat :D It made me appreciate the few acts from that era that I know and currently listen to.
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Punto ni Stewart Copeland... lahat ng generation daw may 90% music crap. What we hear now from the past are the top 10%, the cream of the crop, so feeling natin na parang mas magaling ng music of yesteryears. Lalo na daw sa classical... malamang top 1% lang.
Nakarelate ako... I listened to this MP3 compilation made by this guy somewhere sa net ("9 albums of psycedelia" or something like that) of 60s bands. Pare, pangit lahat :D It made me appreciate the few acts from that era that I know and currently listen to.
hmm tama rin yan. ano kaya ang tunog ng "crappy" classical music :-D
so ano sa tingin nyo ang top 10% ng 90s? backstreet boy? :-D
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hmm tama rin yan. ano kaya ang tunog ng "crappy" classical music :-D
so ano sa tingin nyo ang top 10% ng 90s? backstreet boy? :-D
90s? nirvana, backstreet boys, spice girls, pearl jam, korn.. yun lang pumapasok sa isip ko pag 90s
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Punto ni Stewart Copeland... lahat ng generation daw may 90% music crap. What we hear now from the past are the top 10%, the cream of the crop, so feeling natin na parang mas magaling ng music of yesteryears. Lalo na daw sa classical... malamang top 1% lang.
Nakarelate ako... I listened to this MP3 compilation made by this guy somewhere sa net ("9 albums of psycedelia" or something like that) of 60s bands. Pare, pangit lahat :D It made me appreciate the few acts from that era that I know and currently listen to.
+1000. That's the exact truth. Everything that we think comprises the past is actually already filtered. If you want to find out about songs that never lasted through the years, try picking up an old Jingle Magazine. There'll be songs there you've never heard of. Want to see more? Go back to the old billboard charts, and scan the years at the 100-200 slots. What we think of as the past in terms of music is just the music that proved to be relevant, or singularly good until today. It's the same with today's music, and tomorrow's as well. For every immortal "Satisfaction", we'll get the likes of "Ice, Ice Baby," "Girl you know it's True," "Strange but True" and "Telephone Mama" (Vanilla Ice, Milli Vanilli, Times Two and Gazebo, respectively). And you can never really tell which song will last.
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di ko natripan yung 90s music masyado. no offense :-)
but i agree. some of the music today is crap. i like 80s rock like van halen and queen. siguro nga tama yung sinabi ni sir inigo. mas natritripan natin yung mga kanta ng yesteryears.
imo, kaya natin nagugustuhan yung mga kanta ng noon kasi nakatatak sa atin yung mga kantang sikat noon. makakalimutan na natin yung mga kantang noon na di naman sikat.. di tulad ng mga kanta ngayon. naririnig natin yung mga magaganda, mapapangit, at nakakasawa pakinggan. pero yung mga magagandang kanta ngayon yung mga matitripan naman ng mga tao in the next 10-15 years. :-)
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mga kanta ngayon madaling malaos, mga awit noon 20 yrs na inaawit pa rin lalo na sa mga videoke bar.
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mga kanta ngayon madaling malaos, mga awit noon 20 yrs na inaawit pa rin lalo na sa mga videoke bar.
Let's wait for twenty-years, tapos tignan natin kung maririnig pa natin yung mga kanta ngayon. :-)
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70s music ang the best decade ng music industry. Marami sa kanila ay nasa hall of fame. Pero sa local scene natin ay 80s ng lumabas ang the dawn, saka 90s when eraserhead came. Ewan ko opinion ko lang.
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i actually like the 70s, napaka-groovy kasi. then the 80s for love songs (hehe) and 90s kasi andun na yung eheads and other bands (local and international). what I dont like now eh yung mga nagpapa-cute like kim chiu (crazy love) for example. di ba, like haler?! mga bingi ba ang nagrecord ng album ng babaeng ito to even let her go on air? i mean, siguro band wise, not so much (except for the so-called pogi-rock music of hale and calla lily) but for the solo acts, gosh, i could strangle them.
underside (http://www.underside.wordpress.com)
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kasi andami emo at pogi-rock *toink*! peace! :mrgreen:
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Because they don't give chance to the competent and talented composers. The influential people in the industry would rather prefer their untalented relatives and friends to an amateur lennon or cobain.
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Ayos, sari-saring pananaw. Kanya-kanya lang talaga iyan. Ang masarap para sa iyo maaring hindi masarap para sa iba. Kaya lang merong tinatawag na 'hit' dahil maraming nagkakagusto doon sa tugtog na iyon, hindi dahil mas mataas ang antas o mahusay ang manunulat ng awiting iyon.
So how would you guys define bad music?
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can't comment on that..hehe it depends on who's the listener i guess?? hehe..
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i guess because its not the genre you actually wanna hear...
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its not that bad.
it depends upon the listener.
what the ear and brain tells and
suggest on you.
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mga kanta ngayon madaling malaos, mga awit noon 20 yrs na inaawit pa rin lalo na sa mga videoke bar.
like "MY WAY"..... :-D
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like "MY WAY"..... :-D
Let's wait for twenty years. :-)
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Why is music so bad today?
the answer. because of you.
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It only reflects the culture of our times. :-D
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Why is music so bad today?
the answer. because of you.
good answer... :x
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Why is music so bad today?
the answer. because of you.
"because of you... my life has changed... thanks for all the love and the joy you bring...because of you...i feel no shame...
:-D
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Why is music so bad today?
the answer. because of you.
Me? Us, listeners? Anu ba ang gulo. :-)
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Me? Us, listeners? Anu ba ang gulo. :-)
no. because of her.
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It only reflects the culture of our times. :-D
tama! :lol:
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to old people and retro lovers alike.. "Why Is Most Music So Bad Today?"
to young kids and latebloomer rocker dudes.. "Why Is Most Music So Bad Yesterday?"
uhm let's just put it that way. :roll:
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the next generation will say the same thing. I heard my old man say it back then, i found myself saying it, thought better of it and stopped complaining. relax, enjoy the show. only history will judge what's crap and what's not.
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Siguro dahil madaming nagbebenta at "bumibili" ng pirated CDs kaya tinitipid sa originality at creativity ang mga kanta ngayon.
Negosyo ng mga recording company yan eh, kaya pera-pera nlang ang laban! :lol:
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because so many bands/artists today want instant success. they tend to use tried and tested formulas (do cover songs, have lowsy lyrics infused with dance tunes etc) unto themselves but not everyone will have the same result. most neglect originality and creativity and they opt for commercial appeal. this, i think, compromises a lot of things because most of us would look for an artist's trademark sound that could potentially endear them to us. nowadays, not everyone is into that sort of music immortality.
underside (http://www,underside.wordpress.com)
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music is bad nowadays because it is very hard to come up with songs that are original (as in breakthrough) but at the same time with commercial appeal..artists have undermined their inclination towards 'edgy' music, giving way to songs that they think would be a potential soundtrack for a movie, a commercial, or a soap opera.
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popular music today sucks. madami pa din naman magagaling kailangan na nga lang maghanap-hanap.
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hindi naman lahat bad. kelangan lang marunong ka maghanap.
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if you want good music...don't look for it in the mainstream...mainstream music is intentionally designed to make money...that is why it's called "commercial"...dati kasi you make music to make money...ngayon you need money to make music...
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if you want good music...don't look for it in the mainstream...mainstream music is intentionally designed to make money...that is why it's called "commercial"...dati kasi you make music to make money...ngayon you need money to make music...
yah i agree, pero paano kaya mas ipapalaganap ng isang underground band ang music nila sa all sides ng mundo,which for me yun yung pinaka ultimate satisfaction at mission nila
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Ang tawag sa musika ngayong panahon na toh ay musikang "OK NAH YAN!". hehehe Sad but True.
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There is at least one music - music to the ears of every one. Nothing ought to be so bad - the matter of taste being relative. As in beauty.
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music to the ears of everyone? pangmasa? novelty songs? cueshe?
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music to the ears of everyone? pangmasa? novelty songs? cueshe?
I think he is referring to the Bloomfields, which to him is the best band ever.
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there are so many factors to consider for this question to be answered. i'm going to try to enumerate some. :-) but this is all in my opinion though. :-D
1. THE "OK NA YAN" MENTALITY - so many people, not just in the music industry, are getting used to this phrase. this is acceptance of mediocrity. sadly, in time this will only deteriorate. meaning yung supot ngayon, magiging mediocre na bukas, and so on.
2. MONEY, MONEY, MONEY - nowadays, people will do almost anything to get a buck. the same is true in the music industry. what appeals to the masses (i don't mean that music for the masses is always low quality) matters the most. shempre, gs2 mo makabenta eh...kaya gumawa ka ng mga pambatang kanta at pasayawin mo ang mga matatanda. :lol:
3. LESSER EMOTIONS ARE PUT INTO LYRICS - if one compares the lyrics of the then and now, one can easily see that the lyrics of the past years are more loaded with emotions, no matter what emotion that is (love, anger, nationalism, etc.). kaya mas malalim ang mga lyrics ng mga old songs. they express their emotions in a way na...hmmm..let's just say na pag narinig yun ng nililigawan mo, mapapa-OO mo agad sya! heheheh! :-D
4. STICKING TO THE MAJOR SCALE - kung papansinin mo ung mga kanta ng Hotdog, APO, and other old OPM bands, their music is loaded with semi-tones. yung tipong matitigilan ka pag kinakapa mo ung kanta kasi parang off ung isang chord. pero nde. also with the vocals, andaming semi-tones which make the song more difficult to sing. but these semi-tones give the song its depth. sadly, konti nlang ang gnito ngayon. :-(
these are only a few of the factors i can name. again, this is purely from my opinion only. :-D
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lima bentsingko banda ngayon. at ang banda ngayon parang cellphone dami sumusulpot biglang nalalaos. :wink:
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puro revival para kumita ng pera. kung nde revival, writing style ang gagayahin para kumita pa ren. Bottomline, its all about the money now, its no longer about the art of making music.
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I agree, medyo hindi maganda ang music scene, yes maraming bandang lumalabas pero konti lang talaga yung "quality" bands. Not only sa local but sa international scene din, of course nagsusupport ako sa music ngayon, agree lang ako sa thread starter. How i wish magkaroon ng mga bagong bands na hihila pataas in terms of quality ng music and songwriting.
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actually meron na pong matitinong banda. If you've heard of "pinoy soul movement", this is a group of bands/ musicians na soul, blues, jazz, etch ang genre. Some of the artist I can mention are Sino sikat, Alak pa, Juan Pablo Dream and many more. They are good in terms of musicality and musicianship. Astig talaga. Hope mg grow ang Filipino Music Industry.
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If u always listen to the radio or myx and MTV then it becomes really crappy
but there are also commercial artist that has substance.IMO music aint that bad
today its just balanced there are awesome ones and there are crappy ones. Music is very subjective.
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IMO the reason why most music sucks balls today is coz most of the talented musicians, especially here in the Philippines, are getting upstaged by the more "marketable" songs. There are crapshoot bands like Orange And Lemons (plagiarizers) that are making it big, while the insane musical talent of other artists ([apple], listen to some Cog or Bloodshedd, Kastigo, or Fil-Jap guitarist Sho Hikino one time, THAT is talent) are getting shoved aside, simply because mas kaya ng mga utak ng masa iprocess ang mga simple at emo-ish na lyrics. Di kasi kaya ng mga utak ng iba ang ideas tulad ng "musicality". Sad but true, I think. Sorry kung medyo elitista yung approach ng pag state ko ng dahilan. I really just think that the local musical geniuses need to be appreciated more, and that the discerning listeners should support that by avoiding lending support to bands that simply ween on "revivals", which is just a facade for their lack of creativity and originality.
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IMHO - enough with the "revival" stuffs! can't they make their own music?
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music is so bad today because more and more musicians focus more on SHOWMANSHIP and not musicianship.
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right... :-(
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because we wanna be stuck in the past...we cant help ourselves but to compare,
tamo everyone thinks bamboo is astig...but he was part of the 90s opm rock kaya pag narinig natin,tunog old rivermaya din eh...
and yeah too many remakes,pag may bago lumabas sa outside...tyak the next day kakantahin na sa isang variety show...
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for music to be commercial i guess isnt that bad...bands wanna earn money while doing what they like,coz admit it,regular work sucks!!being in a band is the BEST job in the world,nilalahat ko na... personally i wouldnt play music for nothing...there would be no point in doing it,kung ako nasa banda na sumisikat palang..gusto ko magustuhan din ng tao yung ginagawa kong music,at para rin sa sarili ko
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To avoid this matter,never compare yesteryears to present :lol:
sabi nga nung isa "we adapt to what is needed" hmmmm maybe?
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because of the rotten system in the p.i, they are responsible for letting music listeners hear such sucky music on the radio... :lol:
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most music is bad today? di ko na alam kung ano ang bad music ngayon.
have heard everything i think ....pwera na lang yung mga indigineous music ng bawat bansa....bits and pieces of slayer.....boybands...costello...beachboys...carpenters...r.e.m.....m ychem....foo fighters...nat king cole elvis BEATLEs....white stripes the strokes the darkness..air supply.....the company.......jamiroquai.....the who....david bowie....michael johnson....michael jordan...michael jackson....radiohead...blur....suede....morrissey...the smiths...onl.....eheads...bambooo.....PNE(mmm boring)....im not sure what bad music is....except what i dont prefer example:
april boys...
;)
and then some would be so inspired to listen to them and might be more hopeful listening to Ikaw pa rin......
so whats bad music ;)
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Sa tingin ko lang ah it is just the listeners who make it bad. :-)
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Parang, hindi rin, ito na lang :
DEPENDE. :-)
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some music deals with non sense messages.. cguro may mga negative messages kaya ngiging masama.. mas maganda kung creative na plus may sense ung message.. :wink:
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wait ive got one sample of bad music for me....yung
kanta yata ng syakol...yung may lupit na humahagupit.....
di ko magets masyadong cryptic ;)
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--junk rock era na ba?
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Ganoon na ba ka sama ang music ngayon ? Di kasi ako nakapakinig ng radio lately. Baka kasi "commercialized" na.
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Talagang sobrang di maganda ang musika ngayon KUNG patuloy natin tong ikukumpara sa musika dati. :-)
Panu yung mga bandang stuck sa dalawang panahon na pinagkukumpara? :?
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music is so bad today dahil every musicians today are trying to be "IN" or nakiki-uso instead of bein creative,,, :| :| :|
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music is so bad today dahil every musicians today are trying to be "IN" or nakiki-uso instead of bein creative,,, :| :| :|
Not "every" of them, some of them are just doing for living. :-) :-) :-)
(Sablay nanaman yata ingles ko dun ah) :roll: :roll: :roll:
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music is not bad today.
search for "protest the hero bloodmeat" on youtube.
the majority of music in the filipino mainstream is bad today. because music is commodified and not treated like the artform that it is.
"artists", performers and record labels alike are guilty. the victims are the hapless masses who don't know any better.
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the majority of music in the filipino mainstream is bad today.
agree ako dito kasi ito yung mga nadidiktahan o sumusunod sa uso...alala ko nung nauso yung mga acoustic sets, karamihan ng albums acoustic...nung nauso ang hardcore, lahat naghardcore, etc...
siguro di natin masisi yung mga artist pag dating dito lalo na yung mga under sa record label.
sa tingin ko isang factor na pwede masisi ay ang technology yep mas madaling magrecord ng songs, mas madali linisin yung songs, etc... pero may drawback yun...
since madali na iedit yung mga mali, pos madali pagandahin, di masyado binibigyan ng effort ng majority ng mga mainstream artist yung skills nila kasi mindset nila "ok na yan kaya namang i-edit sa post prod yan"
subukan nyo patayin nyo radyo or MP3 players nyo pos manuod kayo ng mga live gigs...dun nyo mahuhusgahan kung ano ang good or bad music!!!
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agree ako dito kasi ito yung mga nadidiktahan o sumusunod sa uso...alala ko nung nauso yung mga acoustic sets, karamihan ng albums acoustic...nung nauso ang hardcore, lahat naghardcore, etc...
siguro di natin masisi yung mga artist pag dating dito lalo na yung mga under sa record label.
sa tingin ko isang factor na pwede masisi ay ang technology yep mas madaling magrecord ng songs, mas madali linisin yung songs, etc... pero may drawback yun...
since madali na iedit yung mga mali, pos madali pagandahin, di masyado binibigyan ng effort ng majority ng mga mainstream artist yung skills nila kasi mindset nila "ok na yan kaya namang i-edit sa post prod yan"
subukan nyo patayin nyo radyo or MP3 players nyo pos manuod kayo ng mga live gigs...dun nyo mahuhusgahan kung ano ang good or bad music!!!
hmm..i sort of disagree in the sense na, ang cueshe plakado pag live. tight, malinis. kayang kaya nila i-sakto yung live sound sa recording sound.
but it doesnt change the fact that all they write are boneheaded love songs...cliche after cliche after cliche...they should change their name into cliche.
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Anu sa tingin nyo contribution ng record labels sa pagkasama ng musika ngayon?
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Anu sa tingin nyo contribution ng record labels sa pagkasama ng musika ngayon?
siguro yung pagiging profit-driven. pero yun nga, business is business. kelangan talaga kumita.
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90's music scene is the best.
Anti-virtuoso's today are just insecure.
Emo's are one big cause
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Dati na ba yung "Most" sa title ng topic? :?
90's music scene is the best.
Anti-virtuoso's today are just insecure.
Emo's are one big cause
Sir, what do you mean by Anti-Virtuoso? :?
Curios lang po. :-)
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Dati na ba yung "Most" sa title ng topic? :?
Sir, what do you mean by Anti-Virtuoso? :?
Curios lang po. :-)
yun yung mga taong nagsasabing: "you dont have to be a virtuoso to be good.. blah blah"
well, in a sense, probably it's true. Reality sucks. Pero come to think about it. Ok ba maging trend ng music yung nagiging [grape] na ang mga musicians technically? Samantalang if your a good/technical player (im not gonna use "virtuoso"), you can play anything you wanted. You can go down level. But lower level musicians cant go higher right away. Does that makes sense? :-D
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yun yung mga taong nagsasabing: "you dont have to be a virtuoso to be good.. blah blah"
well, in a sense, probably it's true. Reality sucks. Pero come to think about it. Ok ba maging trend ng music yung nagiging [grape] na ang mga musicians technically? Samantalang if your a good/technical player (im not gonna use "virtuoso"), you can play anything you wanted. You can go down level. But lower level musicians cant go higher right away. Does that makes sense? :-D
It makes a little sense to me, but the thing is, the harsh life in our country sometimes forces technical people to be showbands and stuff. Practicality makes those talented people realize that they can do something to help finance their lives and sometimes make a living off it. It's harsh but it's true.
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Anti-Virtuosos? :?
Bakit sila naging ganun? :?
Siguro nga, insecure sang talaga sila. :-)
It makes a little sense to me, but the thing is, the harsh life in our country sometimes forces technical people to be showbands and stuff. Practicality makes those talented people realize that they can do something to help finance their lives and sometimes make a living off it. It's harsh but it's true.
Isa rin yan sa mga dahilan kung bakit yung mga "Bata" sa music appreciation ay mas pinakikinggan ang foreign bands. Showbands...why do others hate sell-outs? Eh kung talaga namang maganda ang mga kanta nila.
Wraagghhh!! I'm...CONFUSED. This discussion should be divided, I think. :x
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Wala na kasi technical basta pakulitan nalang tas papogian ng band members kahit walang talent basta makulit at pogi at pinag kakakitaan yun at yun ang ipapakain sayo ng record labels buti nga ngayun may mga indie/Internet na kahit paano may choice ka. Hindi tulad noon na kailangan may talent ka pra ka makuha ng mga major label company yung talent talaga can sing etc. kung makikinig ka ng mga old school music makikita mo lalo na kung seseprahin mo mas medyo hirap ka sa mga old school na songs kesa sa mga bago :)
Hehe tas napansin ko pag may interview ng mga pinoy bands etc. pag tinanung sila who is your influnces prating The Beatles pero kung papansin mo mga bata pa sila LoL and i find it BS LoL
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Hehe tas napansin ko pag may interview ng mga pinoy bands etc. pag tinanung sila who is your influnces prating The Beatles pero kung papansin mo mga bata pa sila LoL and i find it BS LoL
sa palagay ko kasi safe banggitin yung The Beatles bilang impluwensiya kasi marami naman talagang naimpluwensiyahan ang Beatles. kumbaga, generic na. kasi kung magbabanggit sila na mas specific bands na naimpluwensiyahan sila (halimbawa, emo ako tapos sasabihin ko, paborito ko typecast, the used, saosin, et cetera), MAS MALAMANG na makahon agad ako bilang EMO.
parang yung Eraserheads din dati. minsan lang sinabi ni Ely na paborito niya (siya lang ha, puwera pa sina Buddy, Raims, at Marcus) ang Beatles at mula noon, dinismiss agad ng ibang tao na "ay, Beatles ang tunog niyang Eraserheads." when in fact, marami pa silang influences bilang banda.
sobrang paborito ko ang Beatles, at HINDI BUL SYET sabihin sa ibang tao na paborito mo ang isang bandang tulad ng BEATLES. BEATLES yun eh. hindi *insert some current pop band here*
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Nasabi ko un kasi usually hindi The Beatles ang music na you grew up with lalo na kung mga bata pa un nag sasabi hindi ako naniniwala kasi sa akin lang during may age Glam Rock ang naka lakihan ko pero hindi naman ibig sabihin na Glam Rock ang tugtugin ko kasi nuung lumalaon na nahihilig na ako sa Metal Music kaya cguro prang Kay Dimebag sabi nya Def Leppard, Black Sabbath and Kiss which is true.
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Music crosses over to anyone who cares to listen, so I wouldn't put it past younger people to like the Beatles.
Heck, I consider that some of the influences I have in my playing are from stuff like the Zombies or the Doors (the bass keyboard lines), inasmuch as they are also influenced by New Order and U2.
I think that it's a tragic thing of one dismisses how other can be influenced by older bands, just because they're too young to have actually been around.
Maybe the reason "why music is so bad today", is that again, the old guy (read: not the young generation today) are doing the very same thing that was done to them: they're putting down the young ones, calling their music terrible, because it's "not as good" as the music they grew up with. Which is the same indictment that the pre-rock generation had against the first awakenings of rock.
pero, I guess that's rock and roll - the rebellious new against the vanguard old! hahahahah! only this time, we have to figure out which side we're on, hahaha!
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ganito. paki-define muna ang tinutukoy mong "BATA."
kasi bilang ako na iniluwal sa mundong ito limang taon matapos barilin si Lennon, hindi ko na talaga inabot ang Beatles. yung mga tito ko nagugulat sa akin kapag alam ko tugtugin o kantahin yung mga tracks sa White Album kasi parang kasabay daw nila ako lumaki. so relatively, BATA ako kumpara sa kaibigan/kakilala ko sa lebel ng pagkahumaling sa Beatles.
nakuha ko naman ang punto mo laban sa mga nagpapanggap na Beatles daw ang impluwensiya nila (worst eh kung She Loves You yeah yeah yeah lang alam nila).
pero kasi baka dahil lang doon sa isang awit na yun ng Beatles na alam nila, naimpluwensiyahan/naitulak silang mag-aral tumugtog ng instrumento at magsulat ng mga awit.
nagmamahal,
julius
:-D
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dahil pabalik balik lang ang kanta, same chords , diff lyrics.
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Sorry for this non-sense reply
But, this is all I can say
:? :? :? :?
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IMO the reason why most music sucks balls today is coz most of the
talented musicians, especially here in the Philippines, are
getting upstaged by the more "marketable" songs. There are
crapshoot bands like Orange And Lemons (plagiarizers) that are
making it big, while the insane musical talent of other artists
([apple], listen to some Cog or Bloodshedd, Kastigo, or Fil-Jap
guitarist Sho Hikino one time, THAT is talent) are getting shoved
aside, simply because mas kaya ng mga utak ng masa iprocess ang
mga simple at emo-ish na lyrics. Di kasi kaya ng mga utak ng iba
ang ideas tulad ng "musicality". Sad but true, I think. Sorry kung
medyo elitista yung approach ng pag state ko ng dahilan. I really
just think that the local musical geniuses need to be appreciated
more, and that the discerning listeners should support that by
avoiding lending support to bands that simply ween on "revivals",
which is just a facade for their lack of creativity and
originality.
True, there are better bands out there that are not getting their share of the limelight due to their marketability, or lack thereof, but you can't really blame the majors. After all, it's still a business that they have run. They have to follow what the masses will consume. It's all business. Why not simply admit the fact that unless the masses suddenly change their musical tastes, some musical genres will remain independent from the majors? It's just not for everyone. As simple as that.
The majors don't make bad music. One could argue that they support "bad music", by signing the Pinoy versions of the Gaga's and the Biebers, but they're making smart business decisions.
Sure we could always blame the majors for the lack of support for the "local musical geniuses". But If you feel that strongly about the music that you enjoy, then perhaps you should get more people involved in their gigs, festivals, and support them more. Who cares what the others are doing? If they're not willing to listen, why force them? It won't really change anything and you would only be more frustrated. Don't tell the others what to do. Talk to the fans and people who are willing. Start a zine. Organise festivals. Start your own distro. Raise awareness about your local indie scene. Anything is better than whinging, really.
Perfect example? One of the bands you've mentioned, Cog, outmost respect for those men in black. They're not only masterful musicians, they also support the scene with their own Tower of Doom Records. They could've waited around for major label support, but no, they chose the road less traveled. Whatever happened to the DIY movement? When will people see that we don't really need the majors. there are other means of getting your music out there. If the Pinoy Punks of past with their 4-tracks and poor quality microphones were able to not only sustain the scene with their garage recordings, what's stopping the bands now who have access to better and more affordable recording equipment? Remember shoegaze? They were the bands who celebrated their own sound. they never cared for what the others thought about what they did. All
they cared about was the music. No label? No problem. Let's go start one. Cool.
"Musicality". Your choice of wordage. What is "musicality" to you? From the bands you've mentioned, i'm guessing you're confusing "technicality" with musicality. You don't need to be highly technical to be able to write good music. It helps, to a certain extent, but what you may lack in technicality could be made up for with creativity. Look at Johnny Ramone, not exactly the most technical guitarist in the world. He played that guitar out of pure friggin' will. His desire to play and create music allowed him to overcome the limitations that he might have with his guitar playing, and create songs that some may now consider anthems.
As for the revivals, Mark Kozelek has been releasing tracks (and at times, whole albums) of covers. Does this mean he lacks originality or creativity? If you've heard of Mark Kozelek, you will know that he is one of the most respected musicians of his generation. His previous band, Red House Painters, and his current band, Sun Kil Moon both have strong cult followings to this day. Don't be too quick to judge the book by its cover.
Just to point it out, Orange and Lemons was one of the better bands of the last decade. Sure, they may have stolen a few ideas from some artists in some of their songs, but they have a strong body of original work that they have crafted as a band with their own ideas. I don't think its fair to totally disregard a band's creativity and originality just because they made some poor decisions. Give credit where it's due. "Kailangan Kita", "Isang Gabi", "A beginning of something wonderful", just to name a few. Those songs were well and carefully crafted. They weren't just a bunch of notes strung together hoping thaty somehow stick and turn out to be a song. I think you owe them another listen.
As for the bands you've mentioned, i've already stated what i think of Cog, so let's move on to the others. I was able to search for Sho Hikino of Salamin, I found that band boring. Their riffs are predictable and mediocre at best. Those solos? excessive. Don't even get me started with mini-Bamboo. Mind you, i've only listened to one song by them, so i'll have to see if the rest of their songs could change my opinion. They also seem to be very young. They still have a lot of time to grow. As for Bloodshedd I think it would take some time, but I reckon they could grow on me. I'll let you know what I think of them after a few listens. Kastigo? Sorry, I couldn't even make it til the end of the song.
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because mainstream artists have money, connections and of course the ability to brainwash people.
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because people ain't buying sh*t. :-D
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because people ain't buying sh*t. :-D
have to agree lol
sup Macoy? -ping here (Oh Man! Oh God!)
lol, lets just say internet and free download is a major part on why the music industry nowadays are going deep into the black hole..
also,
as far as originality goes,
I think we people in the industry should try to make more "ORIGINAL" or new songs.
Rock scene in the country nowadays are quite good.
it just needs more appreciation, exposure and support
for every gig that we played, for every show that we watched,
almost all for the bands made my head go up and down, and sometimes drives me insane!
the rock scene today is not BAD
support.
you want to expose the phil. rock industry?
then let us all help each other out I know 101% we can all pull it off if we support the scene and the industry.
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COMMERCIALISM
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Start a zine. Organise festivals. Start your own distro. Raise awareness about your local indie scene. Anything is better than whinging, really.
i must highlight this. it was this enterprising attitude that kept pinoy rock afloat in the doldrums of the late '90s...back then i was hanging out with people who attended underground punk/HC concerts, created their own zines and were the epitome of anti-commercial...heck, they even discouraged my band at that time from submitting to (the late, great) NU 107's In The Raw...
the point is, these people weren't just whining about commercial music sucking so bad, or "cheese (queso) being processed korn" (a bit inaccurate looking back, since i always liked cheese/queso but i still love the pun). they were doing something about it, and i think it's about time we give this a try before pinoy rock does hit another lull period...
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heck, they even discouraged my band at that time from submitting to (the late, great) NU 107's In The Raw...
still got copies of ur demos?
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still got copies of ur demos?
unfortunately they're in cassette form and i can't find them. :-(
were you in the punk/HC scene of the late '90s? john's place (marikina), private parties, etc.? we might know, or have heard of each other. my band was called pest control system and a couple of guys who played with us are now a bit famous...
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unfortunately they're in cassette form and i can't find them. :-(
were you in the punk/HC scene of the late '90s? john's place (marikina), private parties, etc.? we might know, or have heard of each other. my band was called pest control system and a couple of guys who played with us are now a bit famous...
nah, i left manila way back..around '95 so i missed out on all the late 90's punk/HC scene. I enjoy Filipino music a lot so i try to get to listen to as much of it as I can. If you happen to come across your old demos, send 'em over. I'd love to give them a whirl.
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A few decades ago, rock and roll was considered a stupid fad that would die a natural death.
I would say that to older ears, newer music has a good chance of sounding like crap. it seems to be the cycle of history, LOL.
^^this.
nabuhay nadin yung thread e. :-D
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HILAW
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"Why Is Most Music So Bad Today?"
By "Most Music" do you mean music you hear over the radio/television?
These songs are only a fraction of the musical compositions the world produces. I believe you are bound to find something you like if you know where to look. :-)
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people can't seem to move on.
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i miss the 90's sound :-D
bring back the 90's music like this http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/Bring-back-90s-music/124787610920834 (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/Bring-back-90s-music/124787610920834)
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Because everybody wants easy money and instant fame. Bat ka pa magpapakahirap gumawa ng "intelligent" or quality music kung ang recipe lang naman sa instant fame (musically) is just chop some abs/flash that pretty face and create a melody simple enough that a kinder garden can also sing along. BOOM! akalain nyo yun.... Banana Q at pechay nga nagiging kanta.
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ganyan din naman ang sinabi noon ni Frank Sinatra tungkol sa rock music noon -- "basura" daw.
pana-panahon lang iyan.
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maraming ok na music ngayon, kelangan lang natin is maghanap.
kung hindi ibibigay ng media sa atin ang gusto natin, tayo ang maghanap ng mga gusto natin.
kung titignan ninyo mabilis kumalat ang mga magagandang gigs at up-and-coming acts dahil sa Facebook at iba pang social networking sites, mas madali ang pagwoword of mouth natin.
that's the least we can do... go against the flow... *NU Pun!*
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Re: Why Is Most Music So Bad Today?
because wala nang blues...
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Meron pa rin namang "good music" ngayon. Syempre hindi iyan mawawala. It so happened that the industry is oversaturated with the crappy ones.
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Good music will not exist without bad music
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Good music will not exist without bad music
You nailed it logically! :-D
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Kasi mahirap maglabas ng albums with very little funds. Hindi rin naman ok most of the labels ngayon. So mahirap talaga maka penetrate sa mainstream yung mga deserving pero walang pera.
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Parang ukay-ukay lang yan, pagalingan mag-hanap.
Songs today aren't that bad. They're actually good. Kelangan lang buksan ang isip at damdamin........Darna!
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Good music will not exist without bad music
sad but true.
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its all about money..poor song writing musicality..lack of creativity..at kapag pinakinggan mo..maiisip mo na lang na kahit sino kayang gumawa ng ganyang kanta..at hindi consistent ang kabuuhan ng kanta..like gussing a melody..we must hear the music inside our minds bago man lang ilabas..a good music will take you to a situation or a place you've never been..paglalaruan ang imahinasyon at ang mga damdamin ng nakikinig..mahirap ng makahanap ng mga artist na buong buo ang kalidad ng musika nila..most of the time..naglilibot lang ako sa mga mgagandang lugar..at may naglalaro ng musika sa isip ko na nakapagbibigay ng kaligayahan sa buong pag katao ko..if we share the same situation..we should start creating a real music..wag nating hayaang maglaho ang tunay na presensya ng musika sa darating pang panahon
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kasi ngayon. papogian na ang laban, kung wlaang pogi o kaya maganda sa banda nyo wala kayong mga gig. hehehehe
unlike before, pure talent talaga like Side A, Southborder. malinis tumugtog eh. ngayon kahit sablay na ung pagkanta basta good looking ok na.
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i agree with ermonski, well certainly lots of new talents that sounds good are from word of the mouth.. indie, some examples are: the drums, artic monkeys and others
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nothing sounds fresh enough...
supergroups sound like, well, there own original group.
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unlike before, pure talent talaga like Side A, Southborder. malinis tumugtog eh. ngayon kahit sablay na ung pagkanta basta good looking ok na.
i was never was a fan of side A and southborder, especially when they were practically the only bands who played la salle on events that weren't the school fair. (nobody invited rock bands to my alma mater back in the day, even if basti artadi and brian velasco were right across the street. :-( ) but you have to respect their musical ability...these guys aren't pushovers, unlike a lot of the so-called showbands you see these days...
papogihan nga talaga ang uso ngayon, sad to say... :x
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this is the only callalily that i know...
(http://www.ejmstudios.com/in%20studio/callalily.jpg)
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I remember a seemingly constant experience during my "battle-of-the-bands" era during high school and college.
There was only one or two rehearsal spots in town, and every band was there to practice. While you are waiting for your turn, you could hear them singing "pang-masa" songs or the ones that are more commercial in a sense (I won't mention bands or songs). My band and I were wishing "Darn, I hope they're not practicing for the same battle-of-the-band competition in the same barangay where we were joining or we're screwed." We only had compositions.
To our horror, yes those bands actually joined in the said contest, and although Audience Impact was just 20% of the total criteria (50% often goes to Style, ORIGINALITY or Creativity), those bands who played those kinds of music WON almost all the time.
Conclusion : The music of today is geared more towards the greater audience who are not willing to listen to other kinds of music other than the ones which are in the band-wagon, or worse, only to the kind which focuses more on the LOOKS instead on MUSICALITY.
Just my two cents.
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Music is bad today? You're listening to the wrong artists.
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i used to think that all OPM just sucked. it wasn't until i started actively seeking out alternatives by tagging along with friends who took me to more underground gigs that i learned how wrong i was. like previously posted it's just a matter of going out and looking for music that isn't craptastic mass-pleasing garbage.
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i used to think that all OPM just sucked. it wasn't until i started actively seeking out alternatives by tagging along with friends who took me to more underground gigs that i learned how wrong i was. like previously posted it's just a matter of going out and looking for music that isn't craptastic mass-pleasing garbage.
Amen. Heck, since I stopped listening actively to what's on the radio, I don't even know which OPM flavor of the month is on top right now. I prefer listening to bands in gigs, concerts, and through listening hangouts with my friends.
Maybe that's why I don't get much of this thread - and why I feel a bit offended by the lead question. Because from where I am, OPM music sounds really good. If you want to listen to the music that really matters for you (if you're a particular discerning kind), then turn off the radio. Go out and go to gigs.
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dapat yung pagiging malinis is part of basic..like keeping with tempo..kaya lang nagi-iskip ang mga new musicians ngayon..tatlong araw palang humawak ng instrumento sabak na..we should see music as an art..hindi competition..ginagawa na lang payabangan pampormahan,negosyo,pangchicks..ang iba naman sasabihing maglalagay ako ng riffff dito tapos poliritims para maging komplekado ang tunog..hindi naman ganun e..dumarating sa isip natin ang kanta..hayaan nating maglaro ang music sa isipan nating kung minimal o complex man ito..di naman kailangang pahirapan sa paggawa ng kanta..kung simple ang naisip mo e di simple..kung komplikado e di komplikado..tapos puro pagwapuhan nga..hindi naman mukha ang pinakikinggan e..it doesnt matter kung pangit yung kumakanta..yung naririnig naman natin ang importante..sana yung mga musician na masisipag,malalawak, creative at music oriented ang magsi-set ng bagong standards sa music industry
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turn off the radio...there is a lot of foreign crap in the airwaves anyway.
browse through indie music.
if you have already developed roots from old school music genre that you prefer,then it's time to pick up the guitar and make your own music.
i guess everybody here at PM has already done that :-D
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Amen. Heck, since I stopped listening actively to what's on the radio, I don't even know which OPM flavor of the month is on top right now. I prefer listening to bands in gigs, concerts, and through listening hangouts with my friends.
Maybe that's why I don't get much of this thread - and why I feel a bit offended by the lead question. Because from where I am, OPM music sounds really good. If you want to listen to the music that really matters for you (if you're a particular discerning kind), then turn off the radio. Go out and go to gigs.
actually to clarify my opinion back then was really any music made here in the philippines just outright sucked. again, i learned how wrong i was; one instance where i was glad to be wrong about something really.
turn off the radio...there is a lot of foreign crap in the airwaves anyway.
browse through indie music.
if you have already developed roots from old school music genre that you prefer,then it's time to pick up the guitar and make your own music.
i guess everybody here at PM has already done that :-D
amen to that brother.
also to anybody who doesn't know the meaning, the "indie" music in question just means indepentently produced music, not the usual blanket term used to discredit different kinds of unheard of genres. leave that other meaning to trend-chasing hipsters
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Amen. Heck, since I stopped listening actively to what's on the radio, I don't even know which OPM flavor of the month is on top right now. I prefer listening to bands in gigs, concerts, and through listening hangouts with my friends.
Maybe that's why I don't get much of this thread - and why I feel a bit offended by the lead question. Because from where I am, OPM music sounds really good. If you want to listen to the music that really matters for you (if you're a particular discerning kind), then turn off the radio. Go out and go to gigs.
True!
We've had the privilege of playing alongside you guys during Boy Elroy's Robot Apocalypse launch. I'll be honest, I wasn't too familiar with Cog before that gig (except the music video I've seen).
It's definitely much much better to find out about bands by actively watching gigs.
Great set that night by the way! Sana makita ko kayo ulit tumugtog! hehe
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Why Is Most Music So Bad Today?
di naman siguro... kung mainstream medyo di ko nga trip. sa indie hhmmmm satin? hhmmmm di ko rin trip madami ding di maganda.
siguro di lang talaga natin trip di na ibig sabihing BAD ang music ngayon. pero baka malay natin BAD pala talaga? :lol:
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IMHO what's bad for me isn't bad for everybody and what is bad for someone maybe isn't bad for me. siguro ganun lang yun kanya kanyang trip. but personally i hate listening to new stuffs na tinutugtog ngyon more on modulation ng guitars with same chord patterns and arrangement kahit madami compo na sila, at may kelangan exploding fast beats sa drum na hindi mo na maintindihan sa paghahampas, minsan kelangan papapogi yung singer ni hindi mo maintindihan o kinakain niya yung lyrics at makapag headbang lang or talon talon. it's just my self opinion don't get me wrong hehehehe
anyway i'm still getting back to my old love for classic/glam rock ng 70s at 80s at 60s oldies vynyl discs ng tatay ko, for me that's music to my ears hehehe
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haha bro medyo nagkakaedad ka na este nagiging mature... :-D ako din di ko na gaano trip mga pinapatugtog ngayon. pero japanese rock scene or pop ang pinakamatino para sa akin now. di ko maintindihan syempre yung lyrics at may ilan ilan din silang mga english songs... naaapreciate ko naman sila. magagaling sila (imho) kahit pa yung ibang music nila is weird na sa akin. 8-)
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haha bro medyo nagkakaedad ka na este nagiging mature... :-D ako din di ko na gaano trip mga pinapatugtog ngayon. pero japanese rock scene or pop ang pinakamatino para sa akin now. di ko maintindihan syempre yung lyrics at may ilan ilan din silang mga english songs... naaapreciate ko naman sila. magagaling sila (imho) kahit pa yung ibang music nila is weird na sa akin. 8-)
oo nga e dagdag year na naman ako sa friday dre hehehe pro musically kasi dun ako lumaki kaya ganun din siguro. die you bieber fans!!
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^^^ hahaha! happy bday brad! haha! wag naman yung fans... si bieber na lang mamatay! :lol:
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Maybe because we're getting older :-P. I mean, it's like our parents saying, "Bakit ganyan music ng kabataan ngayon? Back in my day *blah blah blah*" :lol:
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If you want to listen to the music that really matters for you (if you're a particular discerning kind), then turn off the radio. Go out and go to gigs.
Hear, hear.
There are A LOT of good OPM bands that don't get the chance to be on the radio because they don't sound "pang masa". Kaya TARA! NOOD TAYO GIGS! :lol: :lol:
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Maybe because we're getting older :-P. I mean, it's like our parents saying, "Bakit ganyan music ng kabataan ngayon? Back in my day *blah blah blah*" :lol:
haha bro medyo nagkakaedad ka na este nagiging mature... :-D ako din di ko na gaano trip mga pinapatugtog ngayon. pero japanese rock scene or pop ang pinakamatino para sa akin now. di ko maintindihan syempre yung lyrics at may ilan ilan din silang mga english songs... naaapreciate ko naman sila. magagaling sila (imho) kahit pa yung ibang music nila is weird na sa akin. 8-)
i think you two have a point there...there is a lot about present-day rock music that i don't quite get. and i find myself asking why so many bands sound virtually indistinguishable from each other...
these days i don't care that much for the newer metal bands, for instance. puro big four na lang ata ang pinapakinggan ko pagdating sa metal...that, and pantera.
aside from that, it's '60s british invasion and garage rock and '90s grunge/alternative (the REAL alternative, not the so-called "alternative" you hear people dropping these days to sound "edgy") that makes up most of my playlist at home and on my cellphone...
Hear, hear.
There are A LOT of good OPM bands that don't get the chance to be on the radio because they don't sound "pang masa". Kaya TARA! NOOD TAYO GIGS! :lol: :lol:
or listen to UR 105. :-D madami din dun. sometimes i miss my younger days when i had a day job, no active band (or if i did, hanggang weekend practice lang kami pero bihira kaming magka-gig) and lots of time to watch gigs. nowadays i've got a nightshift job, three bands and virtually no time to watch as a casual fan...weekend evenings are usually for band practice and/or gigs...
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Curious lang ako...
Bihira kase ako manood ng concerts eh...
San ba usually "pasado" sa inyo yung mga tumutugtog???
Venue po yung tanong ko ah...
Di po kase ako libot eh...
I just wanna widen my sphere of musical influence... :-D
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Curious lang ako...
Bihira kase ako manood ng concerts eh...
San ba usually "pasado" sa inyo yung mga tumutugtog???
Venue po yung tanong ko ah...
Di po kase ako libot eh...
I just wanna widen my sphere of musical influence... :-D
one word - saguijo. :-D
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i think a lot of it has to do with my songwriting
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Maybe because we're getting older :-P. I mean, it's like our parents saying, "Bakit ganyan music ng kabataan ngayon? Back in my day *blah blah blah*" :lol:
pwede :-)
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ang banda kasi noon kahit sa mainstream, pagalingan at pagandahan ng riffs, lyrics, etc. nasa puso talaga ang pagkanta. ngayon "karamihan pero di naman lahat" ng mga banda na nasa mainstream, nagpapagalingan sa pagiging gwapo at sa dami ng chicks na nanunuod at tumitili sa kanila pag may gig sila.
kahit di masyado magaling tumipa ng gitara basta gwapo o maganda, ok na isabak! matuto lang ng G ok na! :-D
ganyan ang pananaw ng "karamihan" sa mga talent manager ngayon
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"Support OPM!", sabi ng isang host sa tv show tas may mga guests na singer nagpromote ng album nila na puro "revivals" pinaganda lang title ng album tas yung iba sa kanila last week lang ata nakaisip magkaron ng music career tas ayun may concert na next month..
Share lang, sad but true, natawa na lang ako.. But still, kung maeeducate natin mga magging anak/pamangkin o sinumang nakababata satin, siguro may chance pa mabago music scene dito sa Pinas pagdating ng panahon.
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"Support OPM!", sabi ng isang host sa tv show tas may mga guests na singer nagpromote ng album nila na puro "revivals" pinaganda lang title ng album tas yung iba sa kanila last week lang ata nakaisip magkaron ng music career tas ayun may concert na next month..
Share lang, sad but true, natawa na lang ako.. But still, kung maeeducate natin mga magging anak/pamangkin o sinumang nakababata satin, siguro may chance pa mabago music scene dito sa Pinas pagdating ng panahon.
Sounds familiar!
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Sounds familiar!
haha!
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music is so bad TODAY, cguro sa pinas lang ganito.d kc open sa lahat ng genre.IMHO lang naman.
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mahirap na tanong yan ah, pag tatanungin siguro natin mga kabataan ngayon, sasabihin nila madami maganda ngayon, tumatanda lang siguro tayo hehehe.
"The solution to this is in your own hands. Start writing good music."
yup
ser 17 po ako pero tingin ko total BS ang mainstream :evil:
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Because there are so many damn elitists who think they're hot [gooey brown stuff] just because they listen to "niche" genres.
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My main opinion on this topic would simply be music producers prefer something that would sell to the general public, and that is playing it safe music that is, lets face it, down right cheezy and catchy even though most the time both lyrics and instrumentals are kinda crappy. A perfect example of this are some actors/actresses who don't really sing but has albums, another is a dance album a compilation of the artists favorite dance songs. I know a lot of you guys noticed that some bands from the underground, I'm not going to state any names, change their genre for the sake of money. Well not that its totally bad since living as a band here is not a good career, so we can't blame them directly.
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My main opinion on this topic would simply be music producers prefer something that would sell to the general public, and that is playing it safe music that is, lets face it, down right cheezy and catchy even though most the time both lyrics and instrumentals are kinda crappy. A perfect example of this are some actors/actresses who don't really sing but has albums, another is a dance album a compilation of the artists favorite dance songs. I know a lot of you guys noticed that some bands from the underground, I'm not going to state any names, change their genre for the sake of money. Well not that its totally bad since living as a band here is not a good career, so we can't blame them directly.
Kagaya nung Boracay Babe ni Amir of Rap, Agassi? Hehe
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too many to mention sir hahaha
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iba iba kc taste ng tao, and people never really agreed on one music.
music reflects culture. e.g. religion, economic status.
divided kc, kya divided din ang music. may myman, may mhrap, may ganito, may ganyan.
plus, andaming mga surplus sa album ng mga artist, ung mga tipong pra lng dumami ung kanta.
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iba iba kc taste ng tao, and people never really agreed on one music.
music reflects culture. e.g. religion, economic status.
divided kc, kya divided din ang music. may myman, may mhrap, may ganito, may ganyan.
plus, andaming mga surplus sa album ng mga artist, ung mga tipong pra lng dumami ung kanta.
korek ka sa economic status. 3rd world tayo kaya di ko maintindihan bakit yung iba bakit nagtataka pa or kung makapagreact kala mo sila na yung standard or nagfranchise ng genre. :lol:
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korek ka sa economic status. 3rd world tayo kaya di ko maintindihan bakit yung iba bakit nagtataka pa or kung makapagreact kala mo sila na yung standard or nagfranchise ng genre. :lol:
we have really good pop artists like sarah geronimo. pero sa rock scene, mrmi akong nkktang mgling mag cover sa bar, pero kulang sa compositional creativity, tyaka wlang eye sa tunay na talent ung mga magazine editor d2, puro itsura at style tinitignan lol.
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everyone hated (insert favorite genre here) when it first came out. face it, just because some of us happen to share the same sentiments about music doesnt mean that we represent the majority. i say there is no bad music. only bad taste.
still, i wish people would realize that mahirap mag hanapbuhay playing music and just leave it as a creative expression, not a dayjob.
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everyone hated (insert favorite genre here) when it first came out. face it, just because some of us happen to share the same sentiments about music doesnt mean that we represent the majority. i say there is no bad music. only bad taste.
still, i wish people would realize that mahirap mag hanapbuhay playing music and just leave it as a creative expression, not a dayjob.
there are those who made it as a job, mga variety / show bands, ung puro cover wla ng original.
there is bad music, talk about out of tune, out of tempo, talk about horrible cadences, annoying progressions, and misplaced melodies.
it's all about more time listening and practicing.
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The internet has given people access to all kinds of music. There will always be those that you will consider as bad. Find music that suits your taste. It's out there, you just have to find it. Find your place in the world (of music). Spiral out, keep going. Don't look back. :-D
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BECAUSE OF IMMORTALITY. YOU KNOW, SEX, DRUG, AND ROCK AND ROLL. IT STARTED WITH ELVIS PRESLEY SHAKING HIS HIPS AND PLAYING ROBERT JOHNSON'S GUITARLALOO. (THATS WHAT WE CALL IT IN MY ISLANDS. I DONT KNOW WHAT U CALL IT IN PHILIPPINO SOILS.)
- PRINCIPAL EASO OOMMEN
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BECAUSE OF IMMORTALITY. YOU KNOW, SEX, DRUG, AND ROCK AND ROLL. IT STARTED WITH ELVIS PRESLEY SHAKING HIS HIPS AND PLAYING ROBERT JOHNSON'S GUITARLALOO. (THATS WHAT WE CALL IT IN MY ISLANDS. I DONT KNOW WHAT U CALL IT IN PHILIPPINO SOILS.)
- PRINCIPAL EASO OOMMEN
The question on hand is "Why is Most Music So Bad Today?"... I certainly am unable to establish a logical connection between the said question with your theory on sex, drug, rock, and Elvis' way of dancing... But then again, it's your opinion, so I have to respect it. Thanks for your insights by the way.
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madami ang nadidiktahan lang ng pera at kasikatan at sasabay kung ano ang "uso" hindi kung ano ang gusto
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The question on hand is "Why is Most Music So Bad Today?"... I certainly am unable to establish a logical connection between the said question with your theory on sex, drug, rock, and Elvis' way of dancing... But then again, it's your opinion, so I have to respect it. Thanks for your insights by the way.
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,228985.25.html
"the principal" got kicked out of PM for what must be the 30th time. :D
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http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,228985.25.html
"the principal" got kicked out of PM for what must be the 30th time. :D
taga botswana si roy? kaya naman pala papalit palit ng nick eh kasi nabo-bore sa botswana. hehehe
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taga botswana si roy? kaya naman pala papalit palit ng nick eh kasi nabo-bore sa botswana. hehehe
ma at pa. :D eto lang ang alam ko...botswana is NOT an "islands"! bagsak din ang principal sa geography...
BTT...why is music so bad today? i keep seeing it here in PM, but i'll have to say glee is one of the reasons. they may try to make rock (especially classic pop/rock like the beatles) more palatable and more "hip" for younger audiences but for me, it just doesn't work. in fact, it can distance younger listeners from the original versions...burnsbhm pointed out quite a few examples in another thread.
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Because popular music is heavily commercialized today. It's as if they only make records for money and do not even care about the achievement of critical success. Many artists in the mainstream today do not even write their own songs. Most are not even musically inclined and just rely on their looks. And inventions like auto-tune make things a lot worse. That's why I really admire artists with musical integrity.
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kailangan ng ipasa anti-trust para mabuwag na dambuhalang recording company na me ari ng tv network sila talaga mag haharian dahil sila me pera pang market ng talent na gusto nila pasikatin.
kaya kahit anong talent o original composition meron ka gagamitin mo sariling mo pera para makilala ka. wala silang pinagkaiba sa showbiz.
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MTV ruined it... IMO. :-o :-D :-P
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Maybe we could just RESPECT each one kinds of music..kung ayaw natin ng type of music yan huwag natin pakinggan.. after all madami jan ibang type of music na swak sa tenga natin.
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walang sumusuporta sa local scene e.
may mga gigs na walang nanonood, like sa isang production,
yung line up ng bands e sila sila lang din yung andun kaya may tao sa gig nila,
pero mga parokyano ng local scene e kokonti talaga.
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Hindi naman siguro sa "BAD"
Well iba lang siguro yung kinagisnan natin (nyo / ako ) na musika
that the music nowadays is designed or will serve today's generation
Depende din siguro sa "taste" natin
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My nabasa ko isang article about kay rico blanco he said in that article na tinatamad na syang gumawa nang bagong music instead re-revive nya na lang ung mga old songs nya at mi-mix. Tama ba naman un? Negative Mentality pinairal nya. <_<
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My nabasa ko isang article about kay rico blanco he said in that article na tinatamad na syang gumawa nang bagong music instead re-revive nya na lang ung mga old songs nya at mi-mix. Tama ba naman un? Negative Mentality pinairal nya. <_<
Kelan niya sinabi? Kasi in fairness, may latest album siya, all orig. Parang bumi-bjork naman siya ngayon.
(http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/.eekBcjZrjg_gFmpf97yPQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTMxMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/289/2012/07/12/ricoblanco-jpg_085940.jpg)
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IMO yung mga katulad nila Justin Bieber at Lady Gaga ang nagsilmula..
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sa tingin ko lang, yun kasing mga "bad" music ang laging nasa radio. laging naririnig ng mga tao. ngayon, kung gusto nyo ng "good" music, attend gigs! underground gigs! :razz:
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Kelan niya sinabi? Kasi in fairness, may latest album siya, all orig. Parang bumi-bjork naman siya ngayon.
(http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/.eekBcjZrjg_gFmpf97yPQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTMxMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/289/2012/07/12/ricoblanco-jpg_085940.jpg)
well good for him, sa yahoo philippines ko na basa eto oh - http://ph.omg.yahoo.com/blogs/pinoyrocks/rico-blanco-why-bother-songs-play-old-hits-093710824.html
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I like the "Sayaw" in that album. :-D
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my co-guitarist always rants about this.. doesn't want to play anything else but the oldies. i felt it was pointless to argue.
music evolves, and there are always lemons in any era. if di mo maappreciate eh hindi ibig sabihin nun eh panget na agad ang kanta. not just your avenue... well exception to the rule ata ung "friday". lol
jeff beck even plays lady gaga... take that!
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Maybe your looking at the wrong page..
For me, there are two kinds of music in the industry..
1st, the mainstream or basically the money makers, here all the songs are just haft baked..
no soul, its all just catchy melodies which is plain senseless..
Finally we have the undergrounds, or the artist that is less appreciated by the industry because they are so perfectionist.. because they stick to their own genre, because they have principles in making music, thus they failed to appeal to the mass media.. but the great thing is.. this guys are the true musicians, they write songs which is just so wonderfull, soul in every verse, a sense in every melodies.. this are the guys we need to start looking up to.. not the mainstream who headlines on MTV or MYX..
We need to start supporting the locals.. Stop the modernization of music.. Lets not forget our roots..
-Vox
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Maybe your looking at the wrong page..
For me, there are two kinds of music in the industry..
1st, the mainstream or basically the money makers, here all the songs are just haft baked..
no soul, its all just catchy melodies which is plain senseless..
Finally we have the undergrounds, or the artist that is less appreciated by the industry because they are so perfectionist.. because they stick to their own genre, because they have principles in making music, thus they failed to appeal to the mass media.. but the great thing is.. this guys are the true musicians, they write songs which is just so wonderfull, soul in every verse, a sense in every melodies.. this are the guys we need to start looking up to.. not the mainstream who headlines on MTV or MYX..
We need to start supporting the locals.. Stop the modernization of music.. Lets not forget our roots..
-Vox
talaga?
can you name names?
pag mainstreams "no soul"?
pag underground "superb"?
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talaga?
can you name names?
pag mainstreams "no soul"?
pag underground "superb"?
Its just how I see it.. its my opinion.. I apologize kung na-disturb ka bro :)
Godbless u..
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what made you think na disturbed ako dun sa statement/opinion mo? no need to apologise :)
wala ka ngang sinagot dun sa mga tanong ko :) , pero salamat sa
Godbless u..
i assume di ka bumibili ng mga CDs sa mga record bars, kasi mainstream ang market nila?
i really wanna realize what you are seeing right now, just plain curiousity.
kasi andami kong kakilalang MAINSTREAM artists na contrasting dun sa opinion mo.
then i also salute the underground artists as well, andaming mababangis jan, pero.... sino mag dedecide kung sino ang TRUE ARTIST at sino ang HINDI (no soul)?
andun parin ako sa pagsupporta ng mga local artists, mapa mainstream man yan o underground.
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Ang common take kasi pag indie/underground, they have the guts and freedom to create their own sound, nothing to lose ang mentality unlike pag mainstream anjan na yung management (err royalty) factor - to make the music that the public wants and eventually buy, not the sound that you want to do (unless you really have a strong fan-base na kahit siguro anong music ang gawin mo e benta ka pa rin) As for the soul, depende yan sa musician, you can be soulful while being on the mainstream and also be really crappy when you're underground. IMO, it's always a question of doing what you love.
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Maraming lame underground bands, likewise there's tons of fairly mainstream artists who do things you wouldn't have thought of.
Weren't Sonic Youth or Shudder to Think on major labels? Locally, isn't Up Dharma Down fairly mainstream? Yeah, a lot of bad music today but there's tons to listen to if you can find it. Major or indie or whatever.
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Mainstream and underground scenes have their fair share of lemons, the important thing is you support the bands you like.
Buy their CDs, go to gigs, buy their merch if they have. If we do that, eventually big recording companies will realize that there is a market for that kind of music.
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Kadalasan kasi ginagamit lang ang music for money and fame sa ngayon.. Wala na yung "passion" ika nga. Ako fan ako ng mga rock-metal genre.. di ko naa-appreciate yung mga bands ngayon.. lalo alternative na puro love songs, paulit-ulit na chords, tempo.. Wala na din creativity.
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sabi ng mga tatay at nanay natin pangit ang music namin ( 90s to ng teenager pa ako)
ng adult na ako sabi ko pangit ang mga kanta ng mga kabataan ngayon ( 2010- up, justin biber, etc...)
sa palagay ko tama ang mga tatay at nanay ko, tama din tayo ngayon, so yung sunod na generation mapapangitan din sa mga bagong kanta.
its an endless cycle, pero talagan namang magaganda ang mga oldies (50s to 80s) 90s ok pa din
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Mainstream and underground scenes have their fair share of lemons, the important thing is you support the bands you like.
Buy their CDs, go to gigs, buy their merch if they have. If we do that, eventually big recording companies will realize that there is a market for that kind of music.
agreed
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because of tapping!
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because of tapping!
ano relasyon sir?
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ano relasyon sir?
ah wala po sir. bad humor lang yan! :-P
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a ok :)
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Wala na kasi magawa na solid at polido na kanta ang karaniwang mga pinoy na kompositor ngayon.
Yung iba naman puro revive, wala na magawang kanta.
:)
Cheers.
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*militant rally mode*
why is most music bad today?
i'll tell ya ... it's because dumb-a$$es who like them promote them, and dumber-a$$es who do not like them also promote them.
how about good music? apart from only a few people take the effort to check them out - they are hard to find, mind you ... why, you ask? because they are written by people who arent exactly physically attractive, or people who can't scream like banshees like those talent show winners, or people who are so concerned with their art, they have no marketing team.
good music is very rare and hard to find. and what do you do when you find good music? do you share them?! do you buy them?! hell no! you just download them for free, or keep them to yourselves, and you do not even write a thank you note to the band and composers who made them.
do you share them in your facebook wall? hell no! you know what you do?! you share justin bieber jokes! you diss nicki minaj, you make fun of One Direction, you do all of those and you have no idea that in the process you are promoting these so called- bad music!
so let me ask again, why is most music so bad today? you know the answer, it's because of you!
*the end*
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Sa tingin ko ang ibig sabihin ni TS eh yung nakahain na music sa mga radio and TV, :)
Sa ngayon talaga wala kang aasahan kung limitado lang sa radio at TV ang paghahanap mo ng songs...Marami kasing independent bands ang hindi kayang magbayad for exposure sa TV and radio ng kanta nila kaya wala kang pagpipipliang matino kung hindi ka mag e effort maghanap. Ganun ang labanan ngayon sir, hindi na lumalapit basta ang banda sa label...
Tyaga tyaga lang sa paghahanap, (sa net ang simula, FB pages, forums at don't forget word of mouth and network of friends) sobrang dami lang dyan, hindi ko nga lang alam kung anu taste mo kaya hindi ako specific mag suggest. Hinihintay ka lang nilang pakinggan mo sila. Pwede kang magsimula sa sig ko sa baba kung trip mo medyo maingay :wave:
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Re: Why Is Most Music So Bad Today?
i will try to scratch the surface of IncX's rant to reveal the gem IN it.
IMHOU music aint bad today, its just that PEOPLE who used to support great bands and not so great bands have different sets of priority now, their time for mosh and breakdancing gradually faded.
the fire in their hearts who used to burn concert halls is still there, but the new gen refused to light their torch.
then the next gen who instead of exploring the great rhythm of pinoy music industry (watching gigs, purchasing the merchandise, posting grateful comments etc) arent there to support,
maybe because they missed the train while waiting for a jetplane to come.
Re: Why Is Most Music So Bad Today?
music aint bad today , its just that SUPPORTERS arent there no more.
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where have all the tribes gone?
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Taste is subjective .. Galangin na lang natin ang trip na tunog ng kahit na sino .. Masarap maligaw sa mundo ng musika ..
www.poteytoband.com
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To the youth nowadays these catchy, often one hit wonder acts maybe cool. Ever watched "midnight in paris"?... basically, we all have wet dreams of the past..golden ages ng 30 y/o ay 90s..sa 40 y/o ay 80s..or just anything except contemporary. But in my honest opinion, we all have our faults. Di ba natin naiisip na MP3 has totally ruined the music industry? Some musicians still share their music because it is their passion, but they still have the right to make money out of it. Kasalanan nga ng record companies to overprice their albums pero ngayon libre na ang lahat. Would we rather download or buy sa record bar? Since artists cannot make money, why bother spending sa studio..may pro tools naman..( another suggestion: Dave Grohl docu: sound city). Its a vicious cycle which we are all part of. No pointing fingers..cant have your cake and eat it...peace!