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The Musician Forums => Music Technology & Pro Audio => Topic started by: Neverexisted on August 15, 2007, 10:58:29 PM
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first sorry kung meron ng katulad itong thread na ito. i tried searching for this kind of thread pero hirap kasi dahil wala pala ditong search thread function.
suggest naman kayo ng music studio specs.. sensya na ha at sanay kasi ako sa computer, specs kasi tawag namin sa mga parts ng PC. internet cafe owner kasi ako..
suggest naman kayo ng simple music studio setup lang
DRUMSET -
GUITAR1 -
GUITAR2 -
BASS -
GUITAR1 AMP -
GUITAR2 AMP -
BASS AMP -
MIC -
GUITAR EFFECTS - 2 Boss DS1 for Guitar 1 & 2.
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tsaka ano bang kaibahan ng mga mumurahin drum sets kesa dun sa mamahlin like Pearl and Yamaha 42k above? sa materials ba?
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gawin nyo dalawa yung quotation ha, isang brand new lahat at isang 2nd hang. tapos kung gusto nyo pa maggawa ng iba pang specs kayo na bahala.
sa ngayon naman ay mga plans pa lang, maybe next year ko iestablish kung talagang mapagdecisionan ko na. thanks!
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Difference sa 45k+ na drumset dun sa mumurahin is the quality and longevity. dito rin ako nagkamali dati kasi sabi ko, pareho lang ang shell nyan, palitan na lang ng heads, ayun after 3 years napaglumaan na ang set ko, parang di ko na gusto tunog. pati mga stands, kelangan heavy duty para di bumagsak mga cymbals mo at mabasag. meron naman tayong low-end na klase ng pearl eh. check mo na lang kung anong model tsaka price. tapos sa heads, usually remo na ang heads kapag bumili ka na ng set na may pangalan. eh di menos gastos na rin yun....
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Difference sa 45k+ na drumset dun sa mumurahin is the quality and longevity. dito rin ako nagkamali dati kasi sabi ko, pareho lang ang shell nyan, palitan na lang ng heads, ayun after 3 years napaglumaan na ang set ko, parang di ko na gusto tunog. pati mga stands, kelangan heavy duty para di bumagsak mga cymbals mo at mabasag. meron naman tayong low-end na klase ng pearl eh. check mo na lang kung anong model tsaka price. tapos sa heads, usually remo na ang heads kapag bumili ka na ng set na may pangalan. eh di menos gastos na rin yun....
so may particular recomendation ka ba? meron ka rin ba studio? eto naman sa akin ay plans pa lang talaga. pero since ito ang 2nd hobby ko, medyo may possibility na matuloy next year siguro.
OT question na rin, yung mga gitara sa sta. mesa made to order ba yun o may nabibili na sila na generic guitars tapos pinatatatakan na lang nila ng store name nila? san ba galing lahat ng gitara dun? plan ko kasi magbenta rin ng pailan ilan lang..
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add ko lang sir...aside from the setup/instruments na kailangan mo...one of the most important is yung pag-soundproof sa studio :wink:
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im massing up my gear too, i'll be opening a studio by january and here are some of my purchases/choices
DRUMSET - fernando fusion kit (worth 28k with entry level cymbals, last thing to buy after the studio is setup)
GUITAR1 - fernandes telecaster bought at pier 5k (2nd hand)
GUITAR2 - fernandes strat bought at pier 5k (2nd hand)
BASS - 4string ibanez bass also from pier 7k (2nd hand)
GUITAR1 AMP - peavey studio pro 112
GUITAR2 AMP - still looking for something around the 50 watt range, aiming for a marshall mg50
BASS AMP - hartke ha2000 head with home made 2x10 cab
MIC - samson r21 mic pack (3 mics for 2k) it sounds good enough and wont make you cry if its ever mistreated/mishandled but handling noise is a biyatch
GUITAR EFFECTS - i wont invest in these
you forgot your PA system : i got a behringer ub1202 mixer, konzert k2 amp and will buy a 2way speaker with 15" woofers. hoping to add a compressor and a reverb unit too probably from behringer also. i went with this setup coz i already have the mixer and the amp but if i will get another chance to acquire a system it will be:
- a powered mixer with built in effects with a passive set of speakers
- get a mixer with built in effects then get powered speakers (much more expensive option)
i bought used guitars because bands will likely have them already and again, you wont cry if the guitar player dings the finish. by the way, the guitars are in perfect condition (had them serviced by our local luthiers) and will play better than the sta. mesa guitars. my thinking is that offering old high quality guitars > cheap brand new guitars.
drum sets naman, it will depend on your priority: budget or durability? for me, the fernando drums are the best compromise for budget, durability and SOUND. the white finish on the kit is also very very classy. i was impressed after i saw them at jb and was convinced after using a kit from a friend. hardware is the same quality as those that come with the pearl forum kit (which is good enough but not better than pearl exports).
pearl exports and yamaha rydeens are nice but to be honest, their prices are not attractive anymore (especially the rydeens). sure they are sturdy and durable but you will get better value from gretsch catalinas within the same price range. you can get a 6-piece catalina against a 5-piece pearl or yamaha. better yet, you get better entry level cymbals with a catalina than the other two.
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@peeves24
thank you very much. you sure do have a lot of knowledge setting up a music studio. tagal ko na rin kasi hindi nakakapasok music studio, college pa nung huli, that was 5 yrs ago na yata and hindi ko man lang noon naiisip na maginspect and observe ng mga gamit nila noon kasi hindi ko man lang naisip na magse-setup ako ng studio. what do you mean by PA system? parang mixer?
saan yan pier na yan? 50 watts recomended mong amps? magkano rough estimate mo capital?
hindi ba pwede na walang PA system? kapos talaga ako eh, pinipilit ko lang makaipon para dyan, and baka sakali kung mapagdesisyunan mabuti baka next year ako magsetup, sa bahay na lang muna kahit medyo 220 meters away sa kanto. talagang tight budget ako..
thanks again sa inputs
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dude di pwedeng wala kang PA system, unless puro instrumentals lang ang tutugtugin nung mga band :-D para sa vocals yung PA mo. the mixer is part of your PA which essentially consist of mics, mixer, amp, speakers and optional effects gear. 150 watts per channel is ok pero matatabunan pa rin yung vocals kapag nagkasarapan na. 250 watts and above are great
50 watts of guitar amp power is not my recommendation to you. that's what i bought coz i know cranking it will already slam the poor geetar player's head to the back wall considering my future rehearsal studio's space is small (18 sq meters only). actually a cranked 15 watt practice amp already makes me deaf inside such a small space but i bought something larger just because 'size does matter'
pier, kung galing ka sa makati via roxas blvd malapit sa manila hotel pero lampas pa sya. aabot ka sa rotonda tapos pasok ka dun sa street na kanto ng bir. may palengke ng mga tv dun (new port area shopping center) go straight sa 3rd kanto makikita mo maraming amps na nakadisplay sa labas. walang name yung store
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argh! mukang dami ko pang kelangan matutunan sa pagsetup. ang hirap rin pala kapag wala pa masyado idea sa gagawin. kasi lam mo ba ganito lang kasimple setup ang akala ko
guitar1 = amp1
guitar2 = amp2
bass1 = amp3
mic1/mic2/mic3 = ewan ko kung san ko isasaksak
drumset
tsk tsk.. kulang na kulang sa experience.. hindi ko alam kung pano ko ise-setup yan mixer at yang PA system na yan. ano ba ibig sabihin ng PA? is that kick the P.A. ng koRn? lols
may pics ka ba dyan?
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sir I hope makatulong ako sayo.. I have 2 studio sa ubelt area.. just want to share base na din sa 6 years experience ko sa ganitong business...
DRUMSET - tama superstar i think nasa 35k w/o cymbals (brand new)
GUITAR1 - fernandez japan sa pier mga 4k meron
GUITAR2 - fernandez japan din sa pier
BASS - GTX made in china nasa 4k lang (brand new)
GUITAR1 AMP - marshall mg50 nasa 15k brand new
GUITAR2 AMP - ibanez tbx 60 ata nasa 11k brand new
BASS AMP - peavey max 115 nasa 14.5k brand new
MIC- okay brand maganda na pang studio nasa 400 isa
PA SYSTEM PANG VOCS- generic mixer mga 8ch na powered (sa roan madami) nasa 3.5k lang
SPEAKER- konzert na pang karaoke 1 pair nasa 5k ata
CABLES AND WIRINGS- kasya na mga 2k dun...
additional info sir.. if kukuha kayo ng amp make surfe na 50watts pataas para di mapwersa mga gamit mo..
sa cymbals naman depende po sa client nio.. kasi dito sa recto medjo wasakan ng gamit kaya i use solar lang pwede na oki naman so far sa dami na ng natest kong brand at model..
importante din ang soundprofing sir.. if may budget kayo u can use yung acoustic board, medjo mahal nga lang, if under budget po pwede na egg tray or 1inc thick na foam by uratex para maganda, sa flooring sir much better if carpet.
if u need help sir i can help u set up ur studio FREE of charge po yun... hehehe nakaka aliw kasi yung nashashare ko konting alam ko sa ganyang business... just pm sir anytime.. good luck po
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hey people thanks ulit ha. sensya na at medyo nangangapa talaga ako sa ganitong business. hayaan nyo, kung kayo naman may tanong tungkol sa computers, medyo maaasahan nyo naman ako dyan. medyo lang ha at hindi naman ako ganun kagaling pero sa experience ko sa lanshop na 3 yrs medyo masasagot ko naman siguro mga tanong nyo.
small time lang kaya kong setup, takot ako maginvest ng malaki kagad para sa business na to unang una kasi yung pwesto ko hindi commercial at 220 meters away sa kanto. 2nd is limited lang capital ko, mahirap magipon.
yung mga comment nyo great help talaga, dami ko na kagad natututunan. yung speaker sa mixer connected di ba?, ilan speakers ba required? siguro isa ok na based dun sa price na 5k. ano ba exactly function ng PA system? ano ano ba ang mga pwede iconnect dun? dyan ako sa PA system walang alam eh.
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hi sir yung speaker na 5k sir pair na yun.. u need atleast isng pares.. sa mixer naman dami ka din magagwa dun.. pwede ka mag lagay ng mics, player etc.. tsaka may individual volume at controls po un
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sir I hope makatulong ako sayo.. I have 2 studio sa ubelt area.. just want to share base na din sa 6 years experience ko sa ganitong business...
DRUMSET - tama superstar i think nasa 35k w/o cymbals (brand new)
GUITAR1 - fernandez japan sa pier mga 4k meron
GUITAR2 - fernandez japan din sa pier
BASS - GTX made in china nasa 4k lang (brand new)
GUITAR1 AMP - marshall mg50 nasa 15k brand new
GUITAR2 AMP - ibanez tbx 60 ata nasa 11k brand new
BASS AMP - peavey max 115 nasa 14.5k brand new
MIC- okay brand maganda na pang studio nasa 400 isa
PA SYSTEM PANG VOCS- generic mixer mga 8ch na powered (sa roan madami) nasa 3.5k lang
SPEAKER- konzert na pang karaoke 1 pair nasa 5k ata
CABLES AND WIRINGS- kasya na mga 2k dun...
additional info sir.. if kukuha kayo ng amp make surfe na 50watts pataas para di mapwersa mga gamit mo..
sa cymbals naman depende po sa client nio.. kasi dito sa recto medjo wasakan ng gamit kaya i use solar lang pwede na oki naman so far sa dami na ng natest kong brand at model..
importante din ang soundprofing sir.. if may budget kayo u can use yung acoustic board, medjo mahal nga lang, if under budget po pwede na egg tray or 1inc thick na foam by uratex para maganda, sa flooring sir much better if carpet.
if u need help sir i can help u set up ur studio FREE of charge po yun... hehehe nakaka aliw kasi yung nashashare ko konting alam ko sa ganyang business... just pm sir anytime.. good luck po
yung mga brand new na parts saan mo kinuha presyo nun? wala kasi ako masyado reference online, jbmusic at yupangco lang natitingnan ko ng presyo. malaki iminahal ng presyo dun kesa dyan sa reference mo. yung drumset pala wala pang cymbals. baka iconsider ko rin yung fernando na mumurahin tutal may positive feedback naman ako nakuha.
hay.. unlike sa forecast ko noon ng magtatayo pa lang ako ng lanshop na excited yung pakiramdam ko kasi maganda yung forecast ko, pero dito sa studio medyo kinakabahan ako. hirap ko ipunin magiging capital ko dito if ever. hirap kapag magre-rent pa ako pwesto parang di ko kakayanin. so talagang pagtyagaan ko siguro na 220 meters away sa kanto yung pwesto ko para wala ng rent.. hay bahala na.
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sir mga nabanggit kong price sa supplier price yun.. actualy malaki talaga difference nun.. for example sa JB yung marshall mg50 nila discounted na nasa 18k pa e kuha ko dun mga 15k lang.. punta ka ng raon ang dami dun..
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dun sa computer related website di ako nagpapatawag ng sir, wala rin ako sini-sir. kaya ako wag mo na rin sir-rin. :wink:
ah sa raon pala, so suppliers price range pala sila dun. di pa ako nakakapunta sa pier or sa raon. taga mars kasi ako eh :|
thanks again. sa mga lurkers dyan na nagbabalak magtayo ng studio, malaki tulong rin tong thread na to.
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DRUMSET - Fernando http://www.jbmusic.com.ph/product.php?sessid=&sid=search&pid=752
GUITAR1 - Fernando Stratocaster copy http://www.jbmusic.com.ph/product.php?sessid=&sid=search&pid=865
GUITAR2 - Fernando LP copy http://www.jbmusic.com.ph/product.php?sessid=&sid=search&pid=674
BASS - Fernando Ernieball Musicman Stingray copy http://www.jbmusic.com.ph/product.php?sessid=&sid=search&pid=676
GUITAR1 AMP - Peavey Studio Pro 112 13,890
GUITAR2 AMP - Laney LV100 http://www.jbmusic.com.ph/product.php?sessid=&sid=search&pid=506
BASS AMP - Behringer BLX3000A http://www.behringer.com/BXL3000A/index.cfm?lang=eng
MIC - Behringer XM1800 http://www.behringer.com/XM1800S/index.cfm?lang=eng
GUITAR EFFECTS - tsaka na
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may sasabihin ako later na sukat nung balak kong tayuan na music studio ha tapos bigay kayo ng comment. baka iparenovate ko na yung place kahit wala pa akong instruments. pakonti konti ko muna ipundar yung balak kong music studio. :-)
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LOL nawala yung metro sa bahay, di ko masukatan.
eto yung pic nung balak kong tayuan ng studio
http://www.flickr.com/photos/13394803@N07/sets/72157602235592771/
may prob lang akong nadiscover. may isang studio dito na malapit sa akin pero mga luma daw gamit, at meron pang isa na nasa bahay rin tapos medyo nasa kanto pa place nya.., tsk tsk.. although one at a time lang naman makakagamit, makakkuha pa rin ako pero prob to.
bahala na kung ano magiging plans ko, kung matutuloy pa ba o hindi na,..
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A floor plan would be nice, at least...
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question po.. ilang square meters at least ang nararapat sa isang rehearsal studio? let's say, lalagyan ng 2 guitars, bass, drums, keys & vox? thanks for taking your time to answer..:)
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18-20 sqm at least, medyo maluwag na, i've seen rehearsal studios na mas maliit pa dito around 10-12sqm lang. visit ka sa lazer store sa sm manila ganuun lang size ng rehearsal studio nila.
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yap mga 18-20 sq meter,pra kahit showband ang magpraktis at kumuha ng video,ok na rin.
medyo magastos na business yan,sa una lang naman.
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is pre-amp required? or ok na ung mixer for the mics?
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walang keyboards? :-D
ay bka naman wala kayong keybordista... :-D
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is pre-amp required? or ok na ung mixer for the mics?
Most mixers usually come with at least 2 mic preamps, sufficient for studio practice setups.
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magkano kaya tantya nyong gastos kung gawa lahat sa pader na semento ang lahat ng sides pati bubong? Pinto lang ang hindi semento. tapos ang sukat yung typical size lang ng studio..
kainis kasi wala akong time umalis para bumili ng metro, nawawala dalawang metro namin sa bahay
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Nasukatan ko na yung garden na gagawin kong music studio. Pero di bale di ko na ipost kasi inches sukat. tsaka medyo magulo.
Ask ko lang about soundproofing, kasi katabi nun ay apartment namin. Bale ang pagitan lang ay pader na semento, hindi kaya tatagos sa kabila yung sound? vibration?
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magkano kaya tantya nyong gastos kung gawa lahat sa pader na semento ang lahat ng sides pati bubong? Pinto lang ang hindi semento. tapos ang sukat yung typical size lang ng studio..
kainis kasi wala akong time umalis para bumili ng metro, nawawala dalawang metro namin sa bahay
4 to 5 thousand per square meter more or less
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question lang po sa drums, how about maya drumsets? cheap naman din yun diba?
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Drums - Tama Stage Star
Bass amp - Hartke / Fender Bass Man 400
Guitar amp - (never get a tube amp for rehersal studio purpose ma wawarak lang) Roland JC-120 / Marshall AVT 275 / Peavey Transtube
Keyboard amp - Roland
PA - 4 JBL EON's, a Sound Craft 8 channel mixer and 6 Shure SM-58 mics
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Mukang TAMA palagi ang recomended ah, magkano yun? Sagot rin naman kayo sa question ko aboout soundproofing. andun sa soundproofing thread.
Lahat ng mga to balak kong bilhin sa RAON. Meron ba nito lahat?
DRUM SET Sonor P-1-200A SONOR F507 Studio 1 Drumset (Mahal yata Tama)
GUITARS1 Ibanez GRG170DX-BKN
GUITARS2 Ibanez GRG170DX-BKN
BASS Undecided
GUITAR AMP1 Marshall DFX50
GUITAR AMP2 Marshall DFX50
BASS AMP Undecided
KEYBOARD AMP (bahala na si batman)
KEYBOARD Nakatambak na KAWAI keyboard sa amin. (kesa wala at bibili pa)
MIC Shure (sige walang kaso)
MIXER Undecided
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Ask ko lang about soundproofing, kasi katabi nun ay apartment namin. Bale ang pagitan lang ay pader na semento, hindi kaya tatagos sa kabila yung sound? vibration?
http://www.greengluecompany.com/understandingSoundproofing.php
Click mo lang yung ibang mga link sa loob, maraming info yan.
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Lahat ng mga to balak kong bilhin sa RAON. Meron ba nito lahat?
Open for suggestions pa rin. Mas ok kung sa RAON na rin mabibili, paki-include na rin name ng store.
DRUM SET Sonor P-1-200A SONOR F507 Studio 1 Drumset (Mahal yata Tama)
CYMBALS -----
GUITARS1 Ibanez GRG170DX-BKN
GUITARS2 Ibanez GRG170DX-BKN
BASS -----
GUITAR AMP1 Marshall DFX50
GUITAR AMP2 Marshall DFX50
BASS AMP -----
KEYBOARD AMP (bahala na si batman)
KEYBOARD Nakatambak na KAWAI keyboard sa amin. (kesa wala at bibili pa)
MIC Shure (sige walang kaso)
MIXER -----
Copy Paste ko na rin dito yung nasa Sound proof thread question ko. Pwede po ba direct answer na? Thanks ulit.
Hey People kakahilo magbasa, di ko pa rin mapicture out yung magandang settings ng pagsound proof.
Eto STRAIGHT TO THE POINT kong magiging basic setup.
-Ang pader at bubong ko ay gagawin kong solid hollowblocks. As in parang Bakod sa solid.
-Ang hindi lang hollowblocks made sa akin ay ang Pinto ko.
Question:
-Ang opposite side kasi nung Hollowblocks na yun ay apartment, Hindi na ba makakarating sa kanila yung ingay sa loob ng studio ko? Yung Vibrations?
-Ano pa ang kelangan ko idikit sa walls ko at ceiling tutal made from solid hollowblocks naman ang lahat ng sides?
-Dapat ba ang drumset, at mga amps ay hindi nakapatong sa ground mismo?
Eto nga pala yung pic ng garden namin na balak kong gawin music studio.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/13394803@N07/sets/72157602235592771/detail/
Reply naman kayo ha. Thanks!