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Title: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko?
Post by: bulog on September 14, 2007, 09:29:33 AM: Kasi pag sa church namin, same peds naman gamit ko, madili akong makapag doubles. Ang upuan dun ay generic drum throne.

Pero d2 sa haus, gamit ko same peds hirap at ngawit yung paa ko mag doubles. Monobloc na chair (yung me sandalan) yung gamit ko, na medyo mababa.

Malaking factor po ba yung upuan kung mababa sya, or mataas, or yung nakasayad yung hita mo sa chair. Kasi sa drum throne yung buttocks mo lang talaga yung nakaupo.

Curious lang po ako kung san ang factor bakit ngawit at hirap akong mag doubles sa haus.

Thanks
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko?
Post by: black_panther on September 14, 2007, 09:41:41 AM: yes it affects your palying, before i do believe that drum throne are just plain chairs, so why spend on it, but when i was studying double pedal thats the time i realized that yes a good drum throne will make your drumming much more comfortable, pls take note also that your foot technique also affects your playing...anyway enjoy that mapex pedal of yours..play and experiment on it brother... :wink:
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko?
Post by: kibohead on September 14, 2007, 09:46:39 AM: of course. you must be comfortable when playing in order for you to deliver those chops and kicks on time. :-)
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko?
Post by: stiknstone on September 14, 2007, 10:50:08 AM: Yes sir may effect ung throne..may adjustment naman ung throne..kaya pde mo syang iadjust kung san ka komportable..pra ung paa mo hindi mahirapan sa kick..peace out!
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko?
Post by: lil.drummerboy on September 14, 2007, 10:57:13 AM: baka mababa masyado o mataas masyado :lol: adjust mo san ka comportable hehe
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko?
Post by: black_panther on September 14, 2007, 11:09:15 AM: Quote from: lil.drummerboy on September 14, 2007, 10:57:13 AM
baka mababa masyado o mataas masyado :lol: adjust mo san ka comportable hehe

bro di maadjust ni pareng bugoy yun coz he is using nga a monobloc chair on his home, sa church lang sya naka drum throne.. :wink:
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko
Post by: bulog on September 14, 2007, 11:14:26 AM: Salamat sa advice mga master.

Naku, mapapa-GAS na naman ako sa MAPEX drum throne ni Sir JP nito hehe.

Try ko humanap muna ng ibang mauupuan sa haus maliban sa monobloc chair.

Thanks po sa inyo

BTW po Sir JP, bulog po di bugoy hehe.

Thanks
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko
Post by: intake on September 14, 2007, 12:35:32 PM: try mo mag bike, diba pag mababa yung upuan mahirap? pag mataas madali? inaaply ko yun sa throne height..

hirap ng monobloc chair ah, hindi naman sa maarte ako o kung ano man...hindi ko maigalaw yung buong leg ko dun eh, diba palubog yun? kailangan ko palagi iusog yung mabigat kong pwet.. :-D

hanap ka lang ng throne na flat at adjustable yung height :-)
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko?
Post by: metalmuhlisha on September 14, 2007, 12:47:36 PM: based on experience, best place to start would be having the throne and your legs parallel to the ground. after that, you can try raising it higher or lower to find the sweet spot for yourself. personally i sit just a bit above parallel, it gives me lower tom angles and i don't have to expend as much effort on double peds.
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko?
Post by: peeves24 on September 14, 2007, 07:19:05 PM: uncomfortable talaga monoblock kahit hindi ka nagdrudrums. palalim kasi yung salumpwet nya (sumasalo sa pwet, di ko alam tawag dun, imbento lang yan)
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko
Post by: alone_for_now on September 14, 2007, 08:09:22 PM: pwede mo din try yung monobloc na walang sandalan, kse flat yung surface nun :-), yung may sandalan kase parang palalim nga sa pwet, :-)
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko
Post by: alvin_11 on September 14, 2007, 11:29:16 PM: Generic drumthrone lang in gamit ko pero mas maganda pa na yung makapal at heavy duty..mapex yung magandang drumthrone..yung generic po kasi habang tumatagal, sumasakit na po mga pisngi ng wetpaks ko ehh..tska winelding na lang kasi naputol na.. :cry:
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko
Post by: intake on September 15, 2007, 03:55:48 AM: Quote from: peeves24 on September 14, 2007, 07:19:05 PM
uncomfortable talaga monoblock kahit hindi ka nagdrudrums. palalim kasi yung salumpwet nya (sumasalo sa pwet, di ko alam tawag dun, imbento lang yan)

ayon! nadali mo kuya! :lol:

AFAIK salumpuwit yun hehe!
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko
Post by: daemonite on September 15, 2007, 10:43:14 AM: Yung monobloc na may sandalan, pababa yung gitna nya so naturally, mahi-hinder ang movement ng legs mo, if this is the case, sit at the edge of the chair. ganon ginagawa ko kung walang throne or yung monobloc na bilog na stool. I always try to find a monobloc stool. As Dave Weckl said in his back to basics video, your foot from the pedal should be in a comfortable distance, tapos your legs shouldn't be bending in which i think it is the case for monoblocs na may sandalan.
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko
Post by: bulog on September 15, 2007, 10:52:24 AM: Thanks sa lahat.

Tama nga po kayo, kasi medyo palugod nga yung monobloc na me sandalan.

kahapon nakahanap ako nung bilog lang sya and tama lang din po yung height nya sa set ko. Di na ako nahirapan pumadyak.

Next project ko na lang yung drum throne, medyo wa na ako budget hehe.

Salamat sa mga advice mga Sir!!!
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko
Post by: daemonite on September 15, 2007, 11:50:51 AM: one of the most underrated important parts of the kit is the throne, eto yung umaayos ng posture mo para mas comfortable ka magdrums. kung di ka confortable, expect mo na hindi lalabas ang gusto mong groove sa kakagalaw mo para umayos pumalo. napansin ko na rin to in my early days of drumming. naghahanap talaga ako ng stool....
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko?
Post by: black_panther on September 18, 2007, 10:57:52 AM: the t570A Mapex drum throne is still available on our branches, the throne goes for only 2,995, thick cushion seat and it has memory lock so even the big drummers can use this..cheers guys :wink:
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko?
Post by: mylesthedrummer on September 20, 2007, 01:04:19 PM: I would suggest you get yung walang sandalan. tapos pag mababa pa rin, patungan mo lang. the more the higher. adjustable ang monoblc eh :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko
Post by: rasta_gopz on September 21, 2007, 09:18:42 AM: pansin ko rin to, for me i'm just using the generic one, i set it up at least a knee high and around 2.5 feet away from the end of the pedal, pag single naman same hight pero mas closer ako sa drums,
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko?
Post by: vdonati_fan on September 21, 2007, 09:37:24 AM: i can relate to that bro bulog.

sa bahay, monoblock din gamit ko. dalawang patong na monoblock. ang napasin ko after ng mga exercises ko, ngawit ang thigh muscles ko pagtapos ng ilang minutes pa lang.

pag sa church, since throne ang gamit ko, ndi naman nangangawit.

sana makakuha ako ng throne in the near future.
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko
Post by: bassman88 on September 21, 2007, 09:59:12 AM: Hi! noob ako, pwede malaman ung tamang height ng throne? Like.. should the right leg be in a 90 degree (right angle) or mas mataas dapat ung knee sa pwet? thanks! Lagi kasi ako nangangawit e after 2 songs nawawala na sa bilang ung paa ko, hirap na.
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko
Post by: daemonite on September 21, 2007, 12:23:47 PM: Quote from: bassman88 on September 21, 2007, 09:59:12 AM
Hi! noob ako, pwede malaman ung tamang height ng throne? Like.. should the right leg be in a 90 degree (right angle) or mas mataas dapat ung knee sa pwet? thanks! Lagi kasi ako nangangawit e after 2 songs nawawala na sa bilang ung paa ko, hirap na.

Hmm, sabi ni weckl, basta parallel yung paa mo and parang you're leaning backward, hindi forward. Panoorin mo na lang yung Back to Basics ni Dave Weckl, andun ang proper positioning para sa sitting position....
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko
Post by: phfreq on September 21, 2007, 06:23:36 PM: the nov issue of modern drummer discusses setup tips / ergo for the drum set.... seat height analysis for some drummers -- bob gatzen, will calhoun, cindy blackman, stanton moore, bill brufford.

They say the setup arrangement depends on the type of music these drummers create and their playing style and technique (trad,matched, etc...).

they also suggest to spend time and experiment with your setup considering the following principles -- path of least resistance (everything should be placed within arms length), economy of motion and resistance to movement (lesser movements).

The study they made gave some tips:
- regardless of style and kit setup, resist leaning forward into the drums
- angle of back relative to thighs should not go below 90 degrees
- angle of thigh and shin should not be under 90 degrees as well

Sabi din dito na dati daw si bob gatzen eh very low yung seat.. ayaw daw nya palitan kasi naging habit daw nya.. pero nung sinubukan daw nya itaas ng 1 inch ung upuan nya, ang laki daw ng naging diperensya -- mas madali nya daw nagagawa yung iba nyang ginagawa, mas tumatagal daw sya sa tugtugan and mas konti daw ung soreness na nararanasan nya after...

hth... :-)
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko
Post by: franco on September 21, 2007, 08:33:32 PM: Quote from: bulog on September 14, 2007, 09:29:33 AM
Kasi pag sa church namin, same peds naman gamit ko, madili akong makapag doubles. Ang upuan dun ay generic drum throne.

Pero d2 sa haus, gamit ko same peds hirap at ngawit yung paa ko mag doubles. Monobloc na chair (yung me sandalan) yung gamit ko, na medyo mababa.

Malaking factor po ba yung upuan kung mababa sya, or mataas, or yung nakasayad yung hita mo sa chair. Kasi sa drum throne yung buttocks mo lang talaga yung nakaupo.

Curious lang po ako kung san ang factor bakit ngawit at hirap akong mag doubles sa haus.

Thanks

kung wala ka pa budget pang throne try mo gumamit nung monobloc na round na walang sandalan. yung ginagamit kasi dun sa tinutugtugan namin sa sucat (one luv) monobloc na may sandalan, ang napansin ko mejo nakasuspend yung thighs ko kasi palubog yung upuan mismo kaya di makabwelo yung paa ko so pinapapalitan ko ng upuan na flat yung sa may pwetan kahit hindi monobloc para kumportable
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko?
Post by: drummerboy827 on September 22, 2007, 12:11:49 PM: opo, lalo na sa double peds. How can you play comfortably w/ finesse if you're uncomfortable in sitting.
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko?
Post by: harugrugrug on September 22, 2007, 12:31:56 PM: in double peds... depends on you.. nobody has a perfect technique that can be shared with each other...tips might help.. pero isipin niyo hingi ako technique sa isang 5'5 na payat at ako'y 5'9 na mejo mataba.. just consult to educators like Sir Jun Regalado and others..they know the concept.. maraming factors.. iba gusto kong position ng stool pag single peds lang gamit ko.. sa double din..
tsaka.. baka your pedal configuration din.. doesn't suit your technique...
nung heeldown ako.. maluwag pedal ko.. ngayong heel up na.. medyo tight na siya.. pag single pedal.. i use a variety of heel up and down plus a stool that is higher than my usual.. ewan ko.. ganun e..kasi di ako sanay na mas nakabukaka ng mataas na stool.. kasi medyo mas wide ang bukaka ko pag nakadouble peds.. ayun... and i hate monoblocs.. it kills my back..
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko?
Post by: otep on September 24, 2007, 08:04:15 AM: yah i think it affects,

kasi monoblock lang kami sa church ok naman

pero nung i was invited para tumugtog sa ibang church tapos throne yung gamit nila, mas ok pag nakathrone, basta ang comportable
Title: Re: Me factor po ba and upuan kaya ako nahihirapan mag-doubles sa single peds ko
Post by: el Brutal on September 24, 2007, 08:45:57 AM: i.m.o. panget talaga pag sa monobloc ka naka upo... nahaharang kasu nung dulo ng upuan ung legs mo sa downward motion eh... kaya mejo hirap ka...