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The Music Forums => Free-for-all Artists forum => Topic started by: SCREWER on March 25, 2008, 11:36:05 PM
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si dennis trillo my album,gabby eigenman,piolo pascual,sam milby, si janno gibbs
masagwa kumata ng rock...nag collapse ako nung marinig kong my album si gretchen barreto..nakakatulong pa ba to sa industriya?... :-D..
wala bang nakakapag sabi sa mga taong to? :-D
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sakanila, siguro nakakatulong. dagdag income din yun. si janno gibbs dati nang singer yan diba?
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kaso ndi nakakatulong sa industry puro mga poser.. :-D..
kumikita sila but they're not changing or educating people kasi puro revival
tapos wala namang pinagkaiba..parang nagrecord lang sa minus 1 na madalian..
tapos cyempre sikat na so easy selling...eh pati katulong ko na idol si dennis trillo as an actor..bumili ng cd nya kahit wala cya hilig sa kanta..hahaha..
if you watch s.o.p. minsan kinakanta ni janno gibbs yung songs ng pinoybands like bamboo etc.,trying hard talaga...
cguro pag sikat kana minsan hindi kana cguro aware na sinasakop mo na lahat
ng career na kahit wala kanang alam..ouch!
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Well ganyan talaga sa industriya, 'pag nandun ka na you can do anything, maglabas ka ng album kahit 'di ka naman talaga kumakanta. Si Edu Manzano nga may album e, biruin mo yun? hehe. Si Kris Aquino, Boy Abunda, at kung sinu-sino pa.
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I guess nakakatulong din sila in a small way... kahit papaano nag-hire din sila ng musicians at engineers para ma-produce yung album nila.
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Of course they help. Ang dami nilang kinukuhang musicians and studio people for work, not to mention all the PR and Distribution people. Apparently, a lot of people here think that the music industry is just the ARTIST. Eh kung ganun lang iniisip, eh di oo, mabuti na lang mamatay ang industriya. Pero kayo magsabi sa mga tao na yan na sa tingin ninyo eh ARTIST lang ang music industry. At kayo magpakain sa kanila at mga pamilya nila.
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and can I just say, IT IS SOOOOOOO UNFAIR!!!!
diba?
they get everything and anything they want even if they're not deserving...
you gave examples na, Gretchen, Kris, Boy...
but what do they really know about singing and performing...
just because they have the money and the name, it doesn't mean that they have to become greedy of all fields...
right?
even Yeng Constantino, I think don't deserve and album...
raise your hand if you agree!!!
:D
i swear, I'm so bitter!
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..and that's why we never get anywhere...
we keep on thinking..IT'S SO UNFAIR, and harp on it.
Fact is, there's nothing you can do about it, so you level the playing field yourself - find ways that does not demean anyone else. Do it right.
Otherwise, it'll always be about whining and taking other people down. Can anyone say...crab mentality? Even if they so effing deserve it, it's still a disappointing thing to realize that you're willing to go down a few notches to knock out someone else.
And that's not what it's about. in the end, it's about transcending such things, and making yourself as good as you can be, as truthful to yourself as you can be. Forget envy and pride. Concentrate on really giving something to others other than anger and bitterness.
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pati katulong ko na idol si dennis trillo as an actor..bumili ng cd nya kahit wala cya hilig sa kanta..hahaha..
if you watch s.o.p. minsan kinakanta ni janno gibbs yung songs ng pinoybands like bamboo etc.,trying hard talaga...
cguro pag sikat kana minsan hindi kana cguro aware na sinasakop mo na lahat
ng career na kahit wala kanang alam..ouch!
isa yun sa mga ways para bumenta ang actor. ewan ko lang kung may hindi parin kilala kay dennis trillo, patok naman siya sa masa eh.
may mga managers/agents din ang mga yun. yung sa s.o.p. siguro, kelangan nila gawin yun para manatili sa show. or baka nasa kontrata nila yun at hindi sila basta pwedeng tumanggi dahil pwede sila makasuhan sa paglabag sa kontrata.
hindi naman lahat ng career sinasakop. may artista bang walang alam sa medicine pero naging doktor? and let's face it. sa pag gawa ng albums nila, pera lang naman kelangan nila eh. bayaran nila engineers para pagandahin boses nila and what not. kung sablay talaga kumanta, edi more moolah to the sound people.
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Considering that Artists here in the Phil are the poorest in terms of industry, everyone will grab the chance to junk up their income. Is it helping? For me no, because there's more than a hundred of us who could interpret "their songs" into a much more pleasing sense.
There's also the type of audience and fanbase factor. Kung tuwing tanghali makikita mo sila Vic at Joey, tapos nagpapatawa pa sila, siguro nga tatangkilikin yun ng tao kasi mas malawak ang audience nila. Its another opportunity.
Sa mga Sunday noon time shows naman na wala nang ginawa kundi pakantahin ang mga host tuwing linggo (at lampas sampu pa ang host), wag na sana silang maki halo sa mga guest nila na bands or singers kasi kilala na nating lahat kung sino si Bamboo at kung sino si Janno. Anu na yung sa Animax yung variety show nila dun? nakalimutan ko na. Sana ganun na lang... P*t# ang layo ko na pala..sorry po
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si Boy Abunda, may album na rin.
:-D
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mas mabuti pa para makatulong sila....mag manage nalang sila ng mga banda na my potential na walang budget mag record...katulad ng banda ko!!!hahaha... :-D
knowledge is power but power is not knowledge...
yung mga artista my pera at sikat and that's power...but it's not knowledge
coz most of them just don't deserve it....they're just messing up our culture i guess...
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and can I just say, IT IS SOOOOOOO UNFAIR!!!!
diba?
they get everything and anything they want even if they're not deserving...
you gave examples na, Gretchen, Kris, Boy...
but what do they really know about singing and performing...
just because they have the money and the name, it doesn't mean that they have to become greedy of all fields...
right?
even Yeng Constantino, I think don't deserve and album...
raise your hand if you agree!!!
:D
i swear, I'm so bitter!
yeah right....i don't like yeng constantino too...it's ok to be bitter!!haha :-D
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..and that's why we never get anywhere...
we keep on thinking..IT'S SO UNFAIR, and harp on it.
Fact is, there's nothing you can do about it, so you level the playing field yourself - find ways that does not demean anyone else. Do it right.
Otherwise, it'll always be about whining and taking other people down. Can anyone say...crab mentality? Even if they so effing deserve it, it's still a disappointing thing to realize that you're willing to go down a few notches to knock out someone else.
And that's not what it's about. in the end, it's about transcending such things, and making yourself as good as you can be, as truthful to yourself as you can be. Forget envy and pride. Concentrate on really giving something to others other than anger and bitterness.
hey, it isn't a sin to whine, ok?
for sure you whined even for once in your whole lifetime....
haha!!
well I guess it really is ok to whine as long as you do something productive after...
:D
mas mabuti pa para makatulong sila....mag manage nalang sila ng mga banda na my potential na walang budget mag record...katulad ng banda ko!!!hahaha... :-D
knowledge is power but power is not knowledge...
yung mga artista my pera at sikat and that's power...but it's not knowledge
coz most of them just don't deserve it....they're just messing up our culture i guess...
i super agree with this...
wag naman sana silang masyadong maging gahaman sa LIME LIGHT diba?
ika nga, "give chance to others."
Others who really have the talent and the potential...
sobrang competitive sa music industry talaga but sana naman wag sila umabuso...
Considering that Artists here in the Phil are the poorest in terms of industry, everyone will grab the chance to junk up their income. Is it helping? For me no, because there's more than a hundred of us who could interpret "their songs" into a much more pleasing sense.
There's also the type of audience and fanbase factor. Kung tuwing tanghali makikita mo sila Vic at Joey, tapos nagpapatawa pa sila, siguro nga tatangkilikin yun ng tao kasi mas malawak ang audience nila. Its another opportunity.
Sa mga Sunday noon time shows naman na wala nang ginawa kundi pakantahin ang mga host tuwing linggo (at lampas sampu pa ang host), wag na sana silang maki halo sa mga guest nila na bands or singers kasi kilala na nating lahat kung sino si Bamboo at kung sino si Janno. Anu na yung sa Animax yung variety show nila dun? nakalimutan ko na. Sana ganun na lang... P*t# ang layo ko na pala..sorry po
haha!!!
overflowwing na ba?
haha!!!
:D
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hey, it isn't a sin to whine, ok?
for sure you whined even for once in your whole lifetime....
haha!!
well I guess it really is ok to whine as long as you do something productive after...
It becomes a sin when it's all that people will do. And, yes, I do whine, but I try my damn best to minimize it. Because nothing is done when one is whining...except annoy people who are doing something.
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sayang ang kuryente sa recording nila..
sayang ang plastic panggawa ng cds at cd case...
sayang ang papel panggawa ng inlay card..
at sayang ang pera ng bibili...
pero wala pa rin tayong magagawa eh...kasi may FANS...at kung loyal ang FANS mo, tyak bibilin nila yun...
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THANKS KAIMOHTO,,WELL, SANA LANG MABASA NILA ANG FORUM NA TO...SANA I-ADVERTISE PA TONG PHILMUSIC JUST TO WAKE THEM UP.. :-)
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si Boy Abunda, may album na rin.
:-D
(http://poypogi.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/img_nwl_boy-abunda.jpg)
anong genre? emo? :lol:
kinikilabutan ako tuwing nakikita ko ung standee ni boy abunda sa mga music stores.. :|
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The music industry in the Pilipens is a hatak industry. No hatak, no industry. Artista = hatak.
Blame the market. Are you part of this market?
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(http://poypogi.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/img_nwl_boy-abunda.jpg)
anong genre? emo? :lol:
kinikilabutan ako tuwing nakikita ko ung standee ni boy abunda sa mga music stores.. :|
haha. doom metal. :-D
bago si abunda, si kris aquino muna ang nagkaalbum. thrash metal naman yun. :-D
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haha. doom metal. :-D
bago si abunda, si kris aquino muna ang nagkaalbum. thrash metal naman yun. :-D
bwahahahaha! :lol: You made my day bro! 8-)
(http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/image.php?u=145494&dateline=1173053463)
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hahahaha! si boy abunda black sabbath talaga influences nyan,,props lang nya yung hosting! :-D..
haayyy....i guess the best thing in this world is to complain and to laugh about it
later... :-D
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^hahahaha!
pero palagay ko naman may naitutulong naman ang mga ganyan kahit konti. comic relief sa mga record stores yan kapag sumasakit ulo natin sa kakapakinig ng *insert most dissed band here*.
eh alam niyo ba na kahit si Victor Neri AKA "Notoryus" may album din? nung 90s pa ata yun. haha.
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haha.. yeah i remember and also diether ocampo my banda... :-D...
kahit my karapatan sila magka album, my karapatan din tayong umangal!! :-D
napaka ironic talaga, kung sino yung my natural na interes at talent sa music sila pa yung walang suporta...mas madami yung nasa ibabaw na easy album making...but empty...grrrrrrrr!!! destroy jericho rosales!!hahahaha :-D
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It becomes a sin when it's all that people will do. And, yes, I do whine, but I try my damn best to minimize it. Because nothing is done when one is whining...except annoy people who are doing something.
hey, chill...
but isn't that almost the same thing, man?
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hey, chill...
but isn't that almost the same thing, man?
not arguing about what you said - pareho tayo halos ng pag-iisip, though I guess the idea of it being okay to whine is still very sensitive to me - in the sense that it should be used as a last resort talaga.
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haha.. yeah i remember and also diether ocampo my banda... :-D...
oh g . i remember this guy being boo'd in his " rock show" because he called the crowd jologs. haha muntik natong gulpihin ng mga punk. haha! to lucky may mga bouncer dun na bayad to protect him. well i think the greatest help is that they generate jobs for people who help them with their albums. parang show up lang sila. too bad the people behind their sound usually are not really being recognized, samanatalang sila tlga ung utak behind the letters and notes ng music. :-)
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^haha. summer slam. :-D
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pota tlaga ser....di naman nila naiisip un....2lad ni april boy?....kung binigay nlng sana nila un slot nila sa mga bandang mas my talentong gumawa ng kanta kesa sa kanila edi mas ok p sana....edi maligaya ang lahat ng banda nyan........sa tingin mo ser?.... :x
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korek ka jan! ndi na naiisip...wala pang mga tenga..mas lalo nilalason yung utak ng masa..eh kung mag fund raising nalang sana sila para satin ayos pa!! :-D...
mas malalim yung idea ng mga artist na hindi napapansin...dahil wala lang recording budget.. ang sarap isipin kung ang masa at mga squatter makaka appreciate lahat ng genre....diba? pati taong grasa makikinig ng jazz :-D
..if you know what i mean...tataas yung level ng music industry kung mabilis mabigyan ng oppurtunity ang mga tunay na artists...
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Tama...
Hindi na na-po-promote yung talent...
Do you think dahil sa cool ang mga nagba-banda eh nakikisabay na sila? (Siguro nga part na rin yun)
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exactly....pa cool din sila..they don't realize that they look unnatural and dumb.. :-D
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Movie talents, or even TV talents, couldn't stick to their specialization kaya naha-hatak yung quality produced pababa. Kunyari, movie talents would just focus on acting, then it's possible for the movie industry to produce a top calibre film. Same with music artists, more chances of exposure would be available.
Ang ginagawa kasi kung may bago kang movie or tv show, pag-ge-guesting-in ka tapos sasayaw ka o kakanta. Tapos magkaka-album. Nak ng tokwa. Lahat na lang may "the album".
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hayy..
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in my opinion, these stupid celebrititties are not helping... but we have to consider a lot of factors. our history, economic situaton, education, government, culture, geography, colonial mentality, and many other things that plays a role towards progress. one person cannot change that. change will only happen if all of us wanted to change. i have so many things to say but i don't even know where to start. the main problem is our mentality, it is not poverty, like a lot of people believe. i will tell you a story, a guy would say this to me before "gusto ko sana maging musician pero wala lang akong pambili ng instrumento" i lend him my guitar, ok he is happy for a while... next thing. "may gitara na nga ako pero wala akong teacher" i'll say come to me every weekend and ill teach you everything i know for free. then he wouldn't show up. next thing would be "gusto ko ng music pero ang busy ko na talaga" and so on... all excuses. you hear that everyday... it is part of our culture. another story, i met a guy who has a talent on fixing guitars... he comes to me and say, " i really wanna pursue guitar making i just don't have the money for equipment" i said "this guy has talent i should help him out".. i said "ill make you my industrial partner"... ill buy the equipment you need to build guitars and lets sell it.. we agreed... the next thing i know... he sold all the equipment to buy drugs... idiot. i have more of these stories but it will take me years to write it all down. therefore, a noble music producer won't change a thing. even if we annihilate all these posers nothing will happen.
for me, our country is not conducive to music, arts, business and everything. we are all hopeless unless we all change. we have so many problems and only a few people wants to fix it... everyone just laughs about it. no one takes things seriously, everyone chooses the easy way out. and people who knows better are either too proud or deprived to share their knowledge. we are all guilty.
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In my opinion, nakakatulong sila sa industriya. Dahil sa tuwing gagawa sila ng album ay kumukuha sila ng mga trabahador. Sa ganung paraan marami ang nagkakaroon ng trabaho. Mas busy ang industry, mas kakailanganin ng tao.
Nababawasan din ang numero ng mga jobless. :-)
At dahil nga sikat sila, yung mga fans nila na walang hilig sa music ay nahihila nila.
Which means dagdag supporters sa music industry. Pwede rin maging stepping stone ito ng mga fans nila sa pagiging mahilig sa musika or maging simula nila sa pag-eexplore sa music. Or they could be a good musician, who knows? :?
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One solution is: make music. and keep on making music. forget the artists - that's they're thing. do what you can as a musician. If you're a listener, then listen to only what you like. buy the music you like. go to the performances of people you like.
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thanks teban, that's a better exlplanation...Idea ko lang I wish we could have like a tv show about these kind of stuffs where everyone including celebrities can check out and give their opinions..i guess it will be constructive in a way..
or maybe Philmusic can provide a TV ad that will encourage all artists including the so-called artists to join..at least they will be reminded...hindi naman nila naiisip ang mga ganitong reklamo eh..
I created this thread just to count people who are aware and concerned about our industry..para sakin kasi kung pwede pang magawan ng solution,at least dito sa forum nailalabas ko..at least we have time to think and observe about it...yung iba namang selfish, porket anjan na..they always think that.."wala kanang magagawa kasi anjan na yan"..eh pano kung meron pa...di ok...magsisimula ang aking pag aaklas sa forum na to...haha..jok.. :-D
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I don't know about you guys, pero mas kaya ko pa yatang tanggapin ito. Wag lang talaga Boy Abunda... wala na sa lugar yan! :lol:
(http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/227015.jpg)
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to the people who say that they are helping, you are only looking at it in a very small scale. you don't know the impact of these celebrities in provinces. try to see this picture ... i grew up in a small town, there's only tv and radio. not much choice when it comes to entertainment.. pros: simple laid back life much focus on meaningful things. cons: less exposure.. but that's alright coz we had great bookstores, one yupangco store, good local cuisines no franchise fast junk food. we had everything we need. when i got bored with tv and wanted to learn more... i took books, cds, cassettes, vinyl records, guitar, cooking with my mom as a past time. there were indian sellers here with enough collection of great music... beatles, hendrix, steely dan, led zeppelin, dire straits, zappa etc. there was a market for that... it was a healthy scene for art and music. now it is gone! im back in my hometown and it doesn't feel like home anymore... it's totally destroyed by media. you know why? i go to a cd store, what do i get? artista crap albums and american trash, i go to a bookstore, artista magazines, fhm, crap! maybe if you live in manila, it's an advantage, coz you might get hired. but how many good musicians and sound engineers get hired? around 10 to 30? how many young musicians are influenced by stupid celebrities nationwide? millions! ever wondered why a lot of good musicians before come from provinces? coz they had great teachers. now kids look up to celebrities who can't even act or sing. so the great teachers lost their jobs... they flew to manila or just went abroad to make a living. that market was destroyed by media.
but again even if we erase artistas from the picture, i still don't think it would make much of a difference, our level of musicianship is not yet that high due to a lot of factors. colonial mentality, no support from the government, geography... class consciousness, dialect barriers, regional differences, etc... but these could be good sources of inspiration, it's a shame no one writes songs about them. reality, rape, child labor, politics, social awareness, world issues, in a deeper sense. or maybe someone does he just doesn't have a market. what a boring scene... i'll just sleep till someone great pops out. i'd rather support the filipino traditional musicians than these wannabes in the market now.
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to the people who say that they are helping, you are only looking at it in a very small scale. you don't know the impact of these celebrities in provinces. try to see this picture ... i grew up in a small town, there's only tv and radio. not much choice when it comes to entertainment.. pros: simple laid back life much focus on meaningful things. cons: less exposure.. but that's alright coz we had great bookstores, one yupangco store, good local cuisines no franchise fast junk food. we had everything we need. when i got bored with tv and wanted to learn more... i took books, cds, cassettes, vinyl records, guitar, cooking with my mom as a past time. there were indian sellers here with enough collection of great music... beatles, hendrix, steely dan, led zeppelin, dire straits, zappa etc. there was a market for that... it was a healthy scene for art and music. now it is gone! im back in my hometown and it doesn't feel like home anymore... it's totally destroyed by media. you know why? i go to a cd store, what do i get? artista crap albums and american trash, i go to a bookstore, artista magazines, fhm, crap! maybe if you live in manila, it's an advantage, coz you might get hired. but how many good musicians and sound engineers get hired? around 10 to 30? how many young musicians are influenced by stupid celebrities nationwide? millions! ever wondered why a lot of good musicians before come from provinces? coz they had great teachers. now kids look up to celebrities who can't even act or sing. so the great teachers lost their jobs... they flew to manila or just went abroad to make a living. that market was destroyed by media.
but again even if we erase artistas from the picture, i still don't think it would make much of a difference, our level of musicianship is not yet that high due to a lot of factors. colonial mentality, no support from the government, geography... class consciousness, dialect barriers, regional differences, etc... but these could be good sources of inspiration, it's a shame no one writes songs about them. reality, rape, child labor, politics, social awareness, world issues, in a deeper sense. or maybe someone does he just doesn't have a market. what a boring scene... i'll just sleep till someone great pops out. i'd rather support the filipino traditional musicians than these wannabes in the market now.
hear hear!!!!!!
dumadami na posers... celebrities na nga yung most sa kanila!
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to the people who say that they are helping, you are only looking at it in a very small scale.
Is this statement of yours pertaining to all of us? I'm one of them, I think I have to defend my opinion because you are already directing to, not exactly me. I don't think I am looking into it in a very small scale as you said.
you don't know the impact of these celebrities in provinces.
And where did you get that information? Did you based it on our posts?
try to see this picture ... i grew up in a small town, there's only tv and radio. not much choice when it comes to entertainment.. pros: simple laid back life much focus on meaningful things. cons: less exposure.. but that's alright coz we had great bookstores, one yupangco store, good local cuisines no franchise fast junk food. we had everything we need. when i got bored with tv and wanted to learn more... i took books, cds, cassettes, vinyl records, guitar, cooking with my mom as a past time.
So, this is your situation in your province. Is everyone in your province experiencing the same for you to say that you KNOW the impact of the celebrities in the provinces. Judging an "IMPACT" by using a one man's experience?
there were indian sellers here with enough collection of great music... beatles, hendrix, steely dan, led zeppelin, dire straits, zappa etc. there was a market for that... it was a healthy scene for art and music.
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now it is gone! im back in my hometown and it doesn't feel like home anymore... it's totally destroyed by media. you know why? i go to a cd store, what do i get? artista crap albums and american trash, i go to a bookstore, artista magazines, fhm, crap!
For you and your generation, Beatles, Hendrix, Steely Dan, Led Zeppelin, Dire Straits, Zappa etc. is good music. How about the others and the generation today? Those "Artista Crap Albums" (As you call it) could be the great music for them. I agree with you about the Artista Magazines, but FHM is not a crap. It's even opening people's mind about one's sexuality, educational. Those "Crap" things for you could be the great things for them.
maybe if you live in manila, it's an advantage, coz you might get hired. but how many good musicians and sound engineers get hired? around 10 to 30? how many young musicians are influenced by stupid celebrities nationwide? millions!
Ten to thirthy people being hired is a very big help to the industry and economy today. Ok, let's say it's not big but it is still a help. Let me remind you that the title asks those albums are helping. So, yes they are. How can you say that those celebrities are stupid? Let me remind you again that there are other people. The one that you're calling stupid could be someone great to them.
ever wondered why a lot of good musicians before come from provinces? coz they had great teachers. now kids look up to celebrities who can't even act or sing. so the great teachers lost their jobs... they flew to manila or just went abroad to make a living. that market was destroyed by media.
Ok sige, they have good teachers and they also have artists that they look up to. Dun sa sinabi mo na "now kids look up to celebrities who can't even act or sing". Do you mean that looking up to someone is also considering as their teacher? Ang pinag-uusapan natin ay yung mga artista na mabilis magka-album, ngayon, sinong artista ang may album na hindi marunong kumanta at hindi marunong umarte? Again, it is not destroyed because it is something new that could be something great to some people.
but again even if we erase artistas from the picture, i still don't think it would make much of a difference, our level of musicianship is not yet that high due to a lot of factors. colonial mentality, no support from the government, geography... class consciousness, dialect barriers, regional differences, etc... but these could be good sources of inspiration, it's a shame no one writes songs about them. reality, rape, child labor, politics, social awareness, world issues, in a deeper sense. or maybe someone does he just doesn't have a market.
On this one, I AGREE with you. Ang lupet. Meron ngang kanta yung Datu's Tribe, naiingit daw sila sa ibang artists kasi nagagawa nilang kumanta ng kantang pang crush at pang syota. (Sa lyrics yun eh). Habang nakabaon pa rin yung mga katotohanan.
Sir Teban, ,I am not saying that I am absolutely right and I am not saying that you are wrong. Sorry sa kawalang respeto at SALAMAT na din sa kaalaman. PEACE SIR TEBAN :-D
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i am not right either... but there should be conviction in expressing one's opinion otherwise writing in this forum would be pointless. PEACE.
going back to artista... poser silang lahat coz they don't mean what they sing... if they would make an honest song that goes like this "andito ako sa tv para lokohin ang masa, at turuan ko ang mga bata na tumingin na lang sa akin at kalimutan na ang pagbabasa" i will definitely buy their album. or if willie would make a song like. "sige pa mga tao, sumali kayo sa wowowee para manalo ng isang milyon! habang ako ay nanalo ng isang daang milyon." i will promote that album. what is the procedure to join a tv show? first you have to buy products from their sponsors, 20 sachets of brand X shampoo.. brand X shampoo paid lets say 50 million to the station to advertise their product. 10 million people bought 20 sachets each because they wanna be in the show. 5 pesos per sachet. 5x20= 100 x 10 million people = 1 billion. that is how much they earn that is why they could afford to give away 3 million a day. not including the profits of their brainwashing albums. that is why in my opinion they are not helping. music is a very strong weapon, if put into the wrong hands it could destroy minds... the poor gets dumber and poorer and the rich are still dumb but richer. i have a lot to say about these celebs and politics but it will take me years.. i will write a book and many songs to reveal everything that is happening here and leave the country before i get killed. :) nah it's not worth my life, no one would listen to my songs anyway coz i'm not a celebrity.
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long post ahead:
the industry is about money and selling albums. plain and simple.
artists who make albums generate jobs and income for engineers, A&R's, the labels etc etc.... if it werent for them...... or if the majors relied heavily on bands and singers alone they would have long gone bankrupt. sa piracy pa lang talo na sila. they need to find a way to at least recoup the costs.
they need to sell.
so if a label sells enough to make a profit, it would be a positive thing for our industry as it keeps the industry itself alive.
the artistas cater to a different audience. the masa audience.
for us who are born into rock, of course we look down upon them.
but we are just looking at the music industry (in this thread) from one point of view.... we did not take into account their point of view.
no one can absolutely say band A is more deserving of an album than band B. each of us have our own benchmarks.
let the artistas be. they keep MyX, MTV, the local radio stations, the masa, and the labels alive.
we are just part of another aspect of the music industry. what happens if we took the pop artists out of the equation? Who will take the place of pop when we take away the pop artists? should we be then watching COG playing on SOP with the hosts or Death by Stereo hosting ASAP?
imagine a scenario where there is no britney spears and all we have are slayer and deicide on the radio. (wouldnt it be fun if we had pop artists to pick on? hehehe)
and about bands, I have a band. we have been struggling for the past several years trying to get our music heard. but as a metal band, its an uphill struggle.
to hell with majors, we can always go indie and shove a finger up their ***.
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+1000 on that.
The music industry is precisely that - an industry. It will have to cater to what buyers want. And if people who are at the back end of the industry are making money because of these "bad artists", then good. It's hard to have no money nowadays.
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i am not right either... but there should be conviction in expressing one's opinion otherwise writing in this forum would be pointless. PEACE.
going back to artista... poser silang lahat coz they don't mean what they sing... if they would make an honest song that goes like this "andito ako sa tv para lokohin ang masa, at turuan ko ang mga bata na tumingin na lang sa akin at kalimutan na ang pagbabasa" i will definitely buy their album. or if willie would make a song like. "sige pa mga tao, sumali kayo sa wowowee para manalo ng isang milyon! habang ako ay nanalo ng isang daang milyon." i will promote that album. what is the procedure to join a tv show? first you have to buy products from their sponsors, 20 sachets of brand X shampoo.. brand X shampoo paid lets say 50 million to the station to advertise their product. 10 million people bought 20 sachets each because they wanna be in the show. 5 pesos per sachet. 5x20= 100 x 10 million people = 1 billion. that is how much they earn that is why they could afford to give away 3 million a day. not including the profits of their brainwashing albums. that is why in my opinion they are not helping. music is a very strong weapon, if put into the wrong hands it could destroy minds... the poor gets dumber and poorer and the rich are still dumb but richer. i have a lot to say about these celebs and politics but it will take me years.. i will write a book and many songs to reveal everything that is happening here and leave the country before i get killed. :) nah it's not worth my life, no one would listen to my songs anyway coz i'm not a celebrity.
Sir Teban, kung ang definition mo ng poser na artista ay "they don't sing what they mean". E'di hindi lang ang mga artistang may album ang mga poser sa mundo. Napakarami. Kaya sa tingin ko, hindi. At saka bumibili ka lang pala ng album dahil nagsasabi yung artist ng gusto nya talagang sabihin at hindi dahil sa na-appreciate mo yung music?
Sir Teban, I guess we have to cut this conversation because we are already going out of the topic. BTW, the thread is just asking if these "Artista na mabilis magka-album" are helping. So they simply are. PEACE. :-D
long post ahead:
the industry is about money and selling albums. plain and simple.
artists who make albums generate jobs and income for engineers, A&R's, the labels etc etc.... if it werent for them...... or if the majors relied heavily on bands and singers alone they would have long gone bankrupt. sa piracy pa lang talo na sila. they need to find a way to at least recoup the costs.
they need to sell.
so if a label sells enough to make a profit, it would be a positive thing for our industry as it keeps the industry itself alive.
the artistas cater to a different audience. the masa audience.
for us who are born into rock, of course we look down upon them.
but we are just looking at the music industry (in this thread) from one point of view.... we did not take into account their point of view.
no one can absolutely say band A is more deserving of an album than band B. each of us have our own benchmarks.
let the artistas be. they keep MyX, MTV, the local radio stations, the masa, and the labels alive.
we are just part of another aspect of the music industry. what happens if we took the pop artists out of the equation? Who will take the place of pop when we take away the pop artists? should we be then watching COG playing on SOP with the hosts or Death by Stereo hosting ASAP?
imagine a scenario where there is no britney spears and all we have are slayer and deicide on the radio. (wouldnt it be fun if we had pop artists to pick on? hehehe)
and about bands, I have a band. we have been struggling for the past several years trying to get our music heard. but as a metal band, its an uphill struggle.
to hell with majors, we can always go indie and shove a finger up their ***.
Tama, idagdag mo pa to sa mga sinabi ko sa first post ko, talaga ngang nakakatulong. :-)
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i am not right either... but there should be conviction in expressing one's opinion otherwise writing in this forum would be pointless. PEACE.
going back to artista... poser silang lahat coz they don't mean what they sing... if they would make an honest song that goes like this "andito ako sa tv para lokohin ang masa, at turuan ko ang mga bata na tumingin na lang sa akin at kalimutan na ang pagbabasa" i will definitely buy their album. or if willie would make a song like. "sige pa mga tao, sumali kayo sa wowowee para manalo ng isang milyon! habang ako ay nanalo ng isang daang milyon." i will promote that album. what is the procedure to join a tv show? first you have to buy products from their sponsors, 20 sachets of brand X shampoo.. brand X shampoo paid lets say 50 million to the station to advertise their product. 10 million people bought 20 sachets each because they wanna be in the show. 5 pesos per sachet. 5x20= 100 x 10 million people = 1 billion. that is how much they earn that is why they could afford to give away 3 million a day. not including the profits of their brainwashing albums. that is why in my opinion they are not helping. music is a very strong weapon, if put into the wrong hands it could destroy minds... the poor gets dumber and poorer and the rich are still dumb but richer. i have a lot to say about these celebs and politics but it will take me years.. i will write a book and many songs to reveal everything that is happening here and leave the country before i get killed. :) nah it's not worth my life, no one would listen to my songs anyway coz i'm not a celebrity.
well said...yung iba kasi dito baka kamag-anak ng artista.. :-D...that's right, the poor gets dumber and poorer and the rich are still dumb...importante din yung value ng music...
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Hi guys.. Just saw this topic floating by hehe... As a musician and an industry practitioner, here's my opinion (peace):
Artistas and Musicians alike are ALL part of showbiz or the entertainment industry. The music industry is a subset of that industry.
SHOW-BUSINESS has 2 components:
1. The "Show" side.
2. The "Business" side.
If you'd ask me if the "artistas" help, yes they do... But mostly on the "BUSINESS" side. Recording labels and the like will always cater to a market that is always willing to buy products (albums). It can't be denied that the "artistas" are always marketable". This may subjective for anyone, but believe me, THEY ALL ARE. A good example would be Michael V's album featuring the song "Hindi Ako Gay" (the intended word for gay was filtered out by this forum). That my friends, sold approx. 15,000 copies (original of course XD) just w/in 2 weeks.
PIRACY is the number one problem here. The market intended for bands and other artists are shrinking because of the said phenomenon. Meaning, there is no more "business sense" for recording companies in this aspect.
My point? The artistas help maintain the "Business" side of SHOWBUSINESS and of course this is the most important component of the two and it is what keeps MYX, MTV, SonyBMG, EMI, Universal, etc. alive and far from the risk of bankruptcy. Its just good business.
For the "SHOW" side, the artistas may POSSIBLY NOT contribute to the development to MY LEVEL OF MUSICAL ARTISTRY, OR YOURS, OR ANYBODY ELSE's, but at least they help maintain and hold the industry just in time for other artists or musicians like ourselves to try our luck when our time comes.
My answer to this thread's question is... YES.
Peace out! This is just my opinion.. No offense intended. :)
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thanks for that RJ...
I'm so disappointed and bitter about this...jok!! :-D
sa thread na to, anything goes...just express your opinions..
ky michael v oks lang talented naman talaga sya eh and down to earth...pero kung sina gretchen baretto..I'd like to puke... plastik sila eh! :-P
sana naman sa mga artista na walang talent kumanta..wag na sana sumabak sa
music at magka album kasi nawawalan ng value at quality and music...kawawa naman yung masa..wala ng bago sa kanila..pwde naman sila tumulong sa ibang paraan...sa mga foundations nalang dun sila bagay kumanta..I agree that they're helping in business side...but behind that...i guess it's meaningless..it's fake...most of them are just earning too much in faking people..."I hate actors, they don't act like people"-Holden Caulfield "The catcher in the rye" :-D
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pero dude, "plastic" artists are everywhere.... in almost every genre you can think of.
We have punk bands who hype up the punk trend, spoonfeeding kids with sugary coated punk forgetting the actual activism of punk
We have black metal bands with all the satanic extravaganza and blood drinking on stage just to keep the vibe going and sell records, not realizing that its more of a racial issue than religous to gullible kids who think its cool.
We have reggae bands who would go Marley all over the place just to sell records, not realizing the fact that reggae is a revolution music.
these are just examples.
man im not trying to offend anyone here, but any other way we put it, it doesnt matter if artista sila or not.
Artista or not, horrible or no talent at all.... they are still ARTISTS and as a fellow artist I give credit to it, no matter how cliche it may sound.
We should respect artists as they are. No matter how horrible they may sing or musically degenarative it might become in the future.
I agree with the OP point of view in one way or another.
Artista or not, we should respect them as they are fellow artists. There really is no point in being crabby about it. Just let them be. If you're a good artist, in no time of course you will be noticed.
It doesnt matter how great an artist or band is, if you dont actually get your butt moving and find yourself gigs and spend money recording demos, you are not going anywhere in this industry.
The old "band-gets-discovered-in-a-bar-by-a-label" is a thing of the past. Sa dami ng magagaling na banda ngayon, its really up to the artis to fight their way for those few coveted slots.
Peace lng bro.... my two cents. \m/
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Hehe na-dedegrade na talaga ang "SHOW" side of SHOWBIZ dito sa Pinas. Pera pera lang talaga hehe. Hay. :-P
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its ok mr. digital...i just wanna specify...artistas ar actors or actresses...I don't consider them as artists unless they prove something na related sa art...they can act like a painter, like a musician, or anyone else..but it's just acting in the movies maybe... :-)...I'm not trying to generalize them coz' some of them are aware of what they're doing..that they're faking... :-)...but most of them are even dumber..
it's my free opinion anyway...kasi kung puro respeto..palagi nalang sila...pano yung iba..kaya ok lang mapuna ang mga ganitong bagay..ok lang din tawanan sila..kasi mas marami naman silang tinatawanan...na mga uto utong fans....right? :-)
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Hehe na-dedegrade na talaga ang "SHOW" side of SHOWBIZ dito sa Pinas. Pera pera lang talaga hehe. Hay. :-P
oks lang yan ma degrade coz they have too much money...from the poor... :-D
oks lang yung entertainment sa foreign bands...kasi bagay naman sa kanila at magagaling.....eh dito sa pinas dami trying hard eh...mga manhid pa...kahit sintunado, naaaliw naman yung mga fans...kasi hindi sila edukado sa music....pero kung sa radyo lang sila pakikinggan and no appearance...haaaayy... :-(
example: "only you" sam milby version... :-D
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its ok mr. digital...i just wanna specify...artistas ar actors or actresses...I don't consider them as artists unless they prove something na related sa art...they can act like a painter, like a musician, or anyone else..but it's just acting in the movies maybe... :-)...I'm not trying to generalize them coz' some of them are aware of what they're doing..that they're faking... :-)...but most of them are even dumber..
it's my free opinion anyway...kasi kung puro respeto..palagi nalang sila...pano yung iba..kaya ok lang mapuna ang mga ganitong bagay..ok lang din tawanan sila..kasi mas marami naman silang tinatawanan...na mga uto utong fans....right? :-)
So, because they are showbiz, they're not "authentic"? okay, how about this:
Let's say Sib goes up on stage and sings with Day One Movement, his band...does that make him a "showbiz" guy who's trying to be an artist? a lot of people would think so...not knowing that he's been in a band for much, much longer, and, if i may say so, is a kickass frontman.
or, let's put it another way: when a singer dabbles in acting, does that make him a "fake actor"? if such is the case, then David Bowie should get out of acting.
Like it or not, life is NOT fair. So make things happen - natural talent is nothing without the will to make it to the top.
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I already mentioned that I'm not that I'm not generalizing for chrissake..who the hell am I anyway... :-D...why? do you like sam milby? joke! peace mr. basscog :-D..
I knew that I would explain this...what I mean by faking is...showbiz perzonalities who are not sincere of what they're doing...like smiling infront of the crowd then puke in the backstage then make money.. and including the untalented who are trying to be a rockstar just because it's cool...so pwde dalawang klase, plastic at poser..
depende yan sa dating ng tao..makikita mo naman the way they perform kung magaling di magaling...okies? I dunno about SIB's music but I'd like to hear it..cguro naman marunong kang mag observe kung sino marunong at hindi..at kung sino yung bagay sa ginagawa nila..ngayon kung ipagtatanggol mo si boy abunda sa album nya...abay..mag la log out na ako.. :-D..peace lang sir..my end din ang topic na to balang araw..we're just trying to gather every opinion so that we'd be able to understand the whole thing..
natural talent is nothing without the will to make it to the top.-getting to the top without talent is a shame for yourself...dinaan lang sa connection at pera..
:-D...
.I apologize if anyone of you here are connected with showbiz or if you have relatives in showbiz na na mention dito...this is just temporary..hindi naman lahat pinpatamaan dito eh..yung mga nakaka asar lang...this topic is a sort of help for them anyway if they read it....it's a true evaluation... 8-)
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at the end of the day, ginusto nila, ginawa nila, at may nabayaran ng sahod sa industriya.
so strictly speaking: nakatulong sila. some musican came home with money for food to feed himself and his family, thanks to them. Hindi ba tulong yun?
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at the end of the day, ginusto nila, ginawa nila, at may nabayaran ng sahod sa industriya.
so strictly speaking: nakatulong sila. some musican came home with money for food to feed himself and his family, thanks to them. Hindi ba tulong yun?
that's a help of course...sa kanila lang....they had too much man..sa kultura ng music at sa reputation nakatulong ba? in what way?I'm not referring about musicians...musician are natural talents...posers are not..don't generalize men..
:wink:...
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I think we've mixed up "are they helping the music industry to progress?" and "are they helping the people make money"
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generic lang yung thread.."are they helping" now it's time to classify.. :-)
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that's a help of course...sa kanila lang....they had too much man..sa kultura ng music at sa reputation nakatulong ba? in what way?I'm not referring about musicians...musician are natural talents...posers are not..don't generalize men..
:wink:...
Ah, then, that's elitism, when a small group of people decide that their view is best for a larger group.
I'm out.
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no,no, not elitism....idealism pa pwede... :-).and we're trying define the positions now...no need to crontadict..opinion lang
..anyway thanks for sharing...no big deal.. :-)..
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no need to contradict i mean... :-D
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si dennis trillo my album,gabby eigenman,piolo pascual,sam milby, si janno gibbs
masagwa kumata ng rock...nag collapse ako nung marinig kong my album si gretchen barreto..nakakatulong pa ba to sa industriya?... :-D..
wala bang nakakapag sabi sa mga taong to? :-D
Hahaha kung si Manny Pakyaw nga me album e pera pera lang labanan dyan at kung sino kilala mo hahaha Gretchen B. me album LoL prang si Paris Hilton e noh gaya gaya LoL kailangan lumabas muna scandal nya na tulad ke Paris pra plakado si P. Hilton LoL
De nakakatulong yan pero sa iba baka oo pero sa akin IMO hindi kasi walang saysay e
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minsan nararamdaman mo ang sarap ng pera...minsan ndi mo napapansin ang epekto...pero at the end naghahanap karin ng kahulugan..si paquiao sobrang yaman nya...pero naaawa ako sa kanya..if you know what i mean.... :-)
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thatis exactly the way basscog puts it, life is not fair. cliche sounding but hey its true.
we just have to live with it because thats the way it is. theres nothing I can do. I cant rant why Band X or John Doe gets signed to a mindless recording contract involving lots of $$$.
In reference to the topic, the engineers, A&R's etc etc do it for a living. they probable cringe while recording those albums, but then again they have to work. and they have mouths to feed.
Siguro, we could have a better music industry if respect was given to everyone, irregardless of genre or level of talent.
but on a personal basis, i hate manufactured pop. but then again I guess we just have to live with it.
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life is unfair...yeah it's true..so maybe we could just deny it so it would be minimized in a way...I think it's important also to criticize..it's a big help no matter how painful it is..even me..I need criticisms for my compositions from other listeners too..self evaluation..sina boy abunda alam ba nila yung pinasok nila?
lahat naman ng artists/celebrities my critics..
if they have fans they have haters too....I think it's just cool...at least my judgement are real...the sad thing is maybe they won't just care at all..sabi nga ni TEBAN, music is a strong weapon...so IMO if we won't protect this even just a little...darating ang panahon lahat nalang magkaka album pati si jun lozada..at mapipilitan kang makinig...at the end wala ka paring paki alam kasi yung motto mo.."life is unfair" "it's just the way it is"....
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:-D :-D :-D
cheers over beers na lang mhen!
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yeah thanks.. :-D...actually ako talaga si boy abunda nagpapanggap lang...hahaha... :-D thanks for sharing..
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hindi naman sila artist eh. entertainer sila
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yeah entertainers...pero parang generic term nadin yun for musicians and showbiz personalities eh...cyempre ndi sila artist kung wala naman silang creativity na ginawa or own composition sa album or in each song..pangalan lang ang ginagamit ng producer...
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yeah entertainers...pero parang generic term nadin yun for musicians and showbiz personalities eh...cyempre ndi sila artist kung wala naman silang creativity na ginawa or own composition sa album or in each song..pangalan lang ang ginagamit ng producer...
An artist is someone who is creating art, practicing the arts and/or demonstrating an art. 8-)
GG
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An artist is someone who is creating art, practicing the arts and/or demonstrating an art. 8-)
GG
so si boy abunda....demonstrating an art? artist cya?.....waaaaaaaaahhhh! :-D
cge wag lang musician ha... :-D...
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yeah entertainers...pero parang generic term nadin yun for musicians and showbiz personalities eh...cyempre ndi sila artist kung wala naman silang creativity na ginawa or own composition sa album or in each song..pangalan lang ang ginagamit ng producer...so si boy abunda....demonstrating an art? artist cya?.....waaaaaaaaahhhh! :-D
cge wag lang musician ha... :-D...
Entertainers, yeah... kase nga sikat and may pangalan eh, diba?
but if you call them musicians, nako, GYERA ang mangyayari....
haha!!!!
hey guys, btw, i know this is overly out of the topic but please check out this site...
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kung may gusto sumali, sali kayo..
it's for a good cause...
kung musicians kayo and bilib kayo sa originality nyo,
join...
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thanks
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Si Mark Herras may DANCE ALBUM.
ANO BA UNG DANCE ALBUM?
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Si Mark Herras may DANCE ALBUM.
ANO BA UNG DANCE ALBUM?
bali kung cd lang sya walang video...pakikinggan mo lang tapos isipin mo na sumasayaw sya...but uuhhhh...!! :-D..ok ba gig kagabi? :-)
artista attack guys haha!!
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we have to accept the fact na SIKAT sila..
Na kaya nilang gawin lahat..
Ituro lang nila.. MANGYAYARI NA!
Pero.. Sana..
Gamitin nila yung power nila to PROMOTE Upcoming bands... and other artists..
Kung ganon lang ako kapowerful.. Sisikat lahat.. :mrgreen:
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Well sa case ni Greta, si Tonyboy kasi nagproduce nung album kaya wala tayong angal kasi parang lumalabas "indie" yung album.
PERO.... sobrang waste of airtime lang yung mga kanta nya. Mag-artista na lang siya.
Hehe...
Sorry...
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naku. naku. bakit kasi...
quality sana. quality.
:-P
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as if they own everything... :x
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okay naman sana eh kaso si Manny Pacquiao!!!!! whooooooooohhh!!!
tumbling betlog ko d2!!!
pinoy RIKORDS!
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Tsk tsk tsk... Bakit nga ba. @_@ Wala namang mabuting naitutulong ang pagkakaroon ng DALAWANG album ni Mark Herras diba? @_@
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sumobra lang sa pera ayun napa album na....trip lang sa kanila yun..wow... :-D
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onga e.. hindi man lang naisip na nakasalalay ang reputasyon ng philippine music sa ginagawa nila? tsk. tsk :x
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hindi nakakatulong ang mga hinayupak na yan ang dami-daming magagaling na banda lalo na sa mga productions and underground bars hindi manlang matulungan at mabigyan ng pagkakataon na makapag-release ng album tapos kung meron man sasabayan pa nilang kumanta pagnag-guest sa SOP or sa ASAP anak ng tokwa.....
Peace! and Rock en Roll!!!
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hindi nakakatulong ang mga hinayupak na yan ang dami-daming magagaling na banda lalo na sa mga productions and underground bars hindi manlang matulungan at mabigyan ng pagkakataon na makapag-release ng album tapos kung meron man sasabayan pa nilang kumanta pagnag-guest sa SOP or sa ASAP anak ng tokwa.....
Peace! and Rock en Roll!!!
Sa SOP pa naman maraming sablay na kumanta na mga artista... Hehe!
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janno gibs pag kumanta ng rock... :x
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janno gibs pag kumanta ng rock... :x
Eh lalo naman si Gabby Eigenman.. anak ng kutong busog.. parang sa pwet nanggagaling yung boses..
Note: Meron Album yun!... paksyet talaga! :?
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ang malupit pa run mga artista na nga sila nagtayo pa sila ng banda tsk tsk tsk.....
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I have nothing against them pero gusto ko silang ta.ehan sa mukha pagkatapos kong kumain ng pakwan at papaya para may design ta.e ko sa mukha nila.
Sounds like a contradiction to me.
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si GABBY CONCEPCION me album na rin...
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ewan ko lang sa inyo ah, pero para sa akin, bea alonzo?? may album na din?? nak ng!
peace! :-D
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hinihintay ko nalang album ni GMA..what the hell is going on in our industry? :cry:
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gabby conception meron bagong album.. ang laki ng poster sa tower records... WTF? sorry ha.. pero, wow naman pare.. :roll:
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kung buhay pa si kurt cobain hanggang ngayon baka marami na siyang sinunog ng buhay sa pinas.
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That's one of the 7 deadly sins:
*drumroll please*
ENVY.
to look down at other people because they have something we don't.
the bottom line, that's BUSINESS, EXPOSURE, plus MUSIC. whoever said that the music industry is just all about MUSIC doesn't know what they're talking about.
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That's one of the 7 deadly sins:
*drumroll please*
ENVY.
to look down at other people because they have something we don't.
the bottom line, that's BUSINESS, EXPOSURE, plus MUSIC. whoever said that the music industry is just all about MUSIC doesn't know what they're talking about.
Dagdag mo na rin PRIDE. yung klaseng "my music / musical taste / band is better than that." Elitism!
Andun na rin ang GREED. Because for some, they want that fame/recognition/money, but they don't want to pay the price or suffer the consequences. Everything has its price. just depends on how and what you are willing to sacrifice.
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who cares about deadly sins anyway...well if you admire them then I would understand...whoever thinks that music or album is for the untalented and anyone, doesn't know what they're thinking about...if this is a sort of envy or elitism...then you may think that way...but who's elite? gabby concepcion or me?.. :-D
That's one of the 7 deadly sins:
*drumroll please*
ENVY.
to look down at other people because they have something we don't.
the bottom line, that's BUSINESS, EXPOSURE, plus MUSIC. whoever said that the music industry is just all about MUSIC doesn't know what they're talking about.
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YOU?
HEHE!!
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YOU?
HEHE!!
whatda..hahaha..you mean a starving elite? :lol:
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Pinipilit kasi na multi talented sila. Pinapasayaw, pinapakanta. Kung ano ano. Para sakin it's not helping. Ang sagwa tingnan at pakinggan e. Ang masakit pa nun, karamihan ng mga artista ngayon, Pogi at maganda lang. Wala na rin alam sa pag arte. Pansinin niyo yung mga star search contest, yung pinaka pogi at maganda lang talaga lagi pinipili. Tapos pipilitin pa sa ibang field.
Yeah I'm whining. Pero please, don't tell me that it's not going to help, or I'm not seeing the bigger picture and all of that big man talk some of the forumites here do. I don't want to help. I don't want to do anything about it. I whine just to let things out. I read this thread to see what other people think about this topic. Kwentuhan lang baga. Ang saklap kasi ok lang mag whine about bad gear pero pag nagwhine ka about bad artists, crab mentality.
pisawt.
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malaki ang naitutulong nila sa industriya. DAPAT MONG MALAMAN ITO.
alalahanin mo na hindi lamang ang mga mismong kumakanta ang kumikita at nabibigyan ng kabuhayan jan.
nariyan ang COMPOSER, ang nag-aareglo, ang mga sesyonista, ang mga recording engineers ang mga recording studio.
kung tayo ay musikero,,hayaan nating magkaroon ng mga ganitong proyekto dahil ito ay nAkatutulong sa mga kapwa musikero mo at sa lahat ng taong involve sa proseso ng paggawa ng album.
lahat ng mga taong iyan, yan ang bumubuhay sa industriya.
ang mga tao sa likod ng album na iyan, ilan jan ay mga batikang compositor at mga kilalang sound engineers. relax lang ser...malaki ang naitutulong ng project na ganyan sa kanila.
kung anu mang anyo ng musika ang nadidinig natin sa ngayon, subukan nating suportahan kung maari. magpasalamat tayo at kahit paano ay nagsusumikap ang musika natin na maka-survive.
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tama... nalinis lang nman voice nila through tech..pag live wasak na boses..haha
poser..
loser..
wasakk
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if any of us thinks we're better, then let's work for it instead of making this thread longer. that is, if we're any better. take it as a challenge.
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YUP. hayaan na lang natin sila. kung trip nila yon..sige lang
kung gusto e di pakinggan, kung ayaw eh di wag pakinggan. :roll:
tugtog lang ng tugtoggggg :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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if any of us thinks we're better, then let's work for it instead of making this thread longer. that is, if we're any better. take it as a challenge.
+1000. put your money where your mouth is!
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hindi rin naman malaking effort pag usapan sila....as if they care kung pag usapan sila...mas matindi ang discrimination sa mga artist na hindi kayang magka album pero may orig na talent, so i guess it's ok to discrimante sa mga nakakalamang na masyado na mahihirap din ang target market...na dapat naman talagang punain...pano mo hindi papakinggan eh naririnig nga kahit saan eh... :-D....forum naman to oks lang magbigay ng kanya kanyang comment...malay nyo may isang artista na makabasa nito...or at least nagkaroon ng coincidence na ma check nila ang philmusic... :-D..they might feel guilty about it and change something a little..if they have that kind of sense...or if they can think this way by any chance.. :?..chill lang..this won't kill anybody.. :-)..
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in terms of income and projects, nakakatulong nga naman ang mga artista. dahil sa mga projects, concerts and album sales nila, kumikita ang industriya at nabibigyan ng buhay ang mga tao sa loob nito.
pero dapat nating tandaan na hindi lamang pera ang nagpapaikot sa music industry. IMO, they cause a much greater problem because real musical talent is neglected.
sige madaling sabihin na huwag tayo salita ng salita kundi gumawa na lang tayo ng mga magagandang kanta and exert more effort to enter the music industry. but the effort we exert is of no use if it is to be neglected anyway.
hindi niyo rin ba nakikita ang irony sa sinasabi niyo? the people who have real musical talent are the ones who have to exert more effort to enter and be recognized in the music industry? eh diba dapat kabaligtaran ito? diba dapat ang mas nag-eexert ng effort ay yung hindi masyadong musically-inclined?
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Welcome to the real world. The real world doesn't care if it's fair or not. that's why no matter what, just keep on doing your music and keep on going. If you're lucky, then you get what you want. If not, at least you're doing what you need to do, which is have music in your life.
Don't care about how others abuse the perceived system or structure - just work it as honestly and as good as you can. At least you know that you haven't done the same thing they have. lead by example.
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Welcome to the real world. The real world doesn't care if it's fair or not. that's why no matter what, just keep on doing your music and keep on going. If you're lucky, then you get what you want. If not, at least you're doing what you need to do, which is have music in your life.
Don't care about how others abuse the perceived system or structure - just work it as honestly and as good as you can. At least you know that you haven't done the same thing they have. lead by example.
OT ka na eh.
i know what the real world is. i just want to stay ON TOPIC.
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OT ka na eh.
i know what the real world is. i just want to stay ON TOPIC.
Okay, staying on topic: lots of musicians in the music industry (not the bars, or what) do need the business that these people provide. From that point of view, yes, they do help. now, from an "artistic" point of view, it depends on where you're coming from. but, well, they have albums that sell. it's keeping the industry alive for the moment.
Maybe it won't help in terms of long term goals. but then, that's why people also step outside of the system, and go indie. and then play and play.
i respect views that consider some people who have albums as being not worth the time to be listened to. I have many, many album-makers in my mind who i won't listen to unless asked of me - some of them I would prefer not to even try. But I also figure that it's their thing, so let them. people will listen, or they won't. Rather than castigate them, why not do something like encourage appreciation of all sorts of music at the local school? or even just with your cousins, friends, or whatever - always play interesting music. advocate the music you like by playing it for others. that way, it becomes a battle for music education, rather than slinging bricks at people who really wouldn't care.
My apologies if I went OT, and if I sounded like i was talking down to people. mea culpa.
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we can just wake them up in a way...kesa naman pabayaan mo kahit sino nalang...we can keep the industry alive without trying so hard or pretending..I think these celebrities are aware that they will be criticized this way...or aren't they aware that they suck?..
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Okay, staying on topic: lots of musicians in the music industry (not the bars, or what) do need the business that these people provide. From that point of view, yes, they do help. now, from an "artistic" point of view, it depends on where you're coming from. but, well, they have albums that sell. it's keeping the industry alive for the moment.
Maybe it won't help in terms of long term goals. but then, that's why people also step outside of the system, and go indie. and then play and play.
i respect views that consider some people who have albums as being not worth the time to be listened to. I have many, many album-makers in my mind who i won't listen to unless asked of me - some of them I would prefer not to even try. But I also figure that it's their thing, so let them. people will listen, or they won't. Rather than castigate them, why not do something like encourage appreciation of all sorts of music at the local school? or even just with your cousins, friends, or whatever - always play interesting music. advocate the music you like by playing it for others. that way, it becomes a battle for music education, rather than slinging bricks at people who really wouldn't care.
My apologies if I went OT, and if I sounded like i was talking down to people. mea culpa.
they definitely wouldn't help on the long-term. the fact that real musicians and artists go indie shows the negative effect that actors/actresses (hell, even TV show hosts like Boy Abunda) have on the music industry. i don't think the music industry gives much recognition to those who go indie...kaya nga indie ang tawag sa kanila diba?
yeah we may choose not to listen to their albums and try to influence the people around us to listen to better quality music from the real artists. the problem is, our influence can only extend so much. they (mga artista) have the larger market, which is the masses. as of now, it really seems bleak for the industry to rise up to the glory days back in the 70s, 80s and 90s.
apology not accepted. simply because there is nothing to apologize for. no pun taken. :-D
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they definitely wouldn't help on the long-term. the fact that real musicians and artists go indie shows the negative effect that actors/actresses (hell, even TV show hosts like Boy Abunda) have on the music industry. i don't think the music industry gives much recognition to those who go indie...kaya nga indie ang tawag sa kanila diba?
yeah we may choose not to listen to their albums and try to influence the people around us to listen to better quality music from the real artists. the problem is, our influence can only extend so much. they (mga artista) have the larger market, which is the masses. as of now, it really seems bleak for the industry to rise up to the glory days back in the 70s, 80s and 90s.
apology not accepted. simply because there is nothing to apologize for. no pun taken. :-D
True on the scope of influence - but i'd rather have done something, than nothing at all. If there's anything i've learned from my own friends who put up tower of doom...it's that you never really know until you try.
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*sigh*
there's bound to be conflict when ppl want to mix the money making abilities of celebrities with art.
face it, art doesnt make money... especially when you are in a 3rd world country where entertainment isnt a priority.
want money and music?
get rich, then use that money to build your scene.
the mainstream is not about art - its about entertainment.
entertainment is not art... it is a formula.
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*sigh*
there's bound to be conflict when ppl want to mix the money making abilities of celebrities with art.
face it, art doesnt make money... especially when you are in a 3rd world country where entertainment isnt a priority.
want money and music?
get rich, then use that money to build your scene.
the mainstream is not about art - its about entertainment.
entertainment is not art... it is a formula.
very well said. :wink:
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Boxer nga dito satin nag kaka album ehh...
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si dennis trillo my album,gabby eigenman,piolo pascual,sam milby, si janno gibbs
masagwa kumata ng rock...nag collapse ako nung marinig kong my album si gretchen barreto..nakakatulong pa ba to sa industriya?... :-D..
wala bang nakakapag sabi sa mga taong to? :-D
in all fairness, dennis trillo started as a rock musician...as mOYG's drummer.
but no, he is not in any way fit to be a pop singer. natatawa lang ako pag naririnig ko yung version niya ng "all out of love"...malamang may ghost singer yun.
Well ganyan talaga sa industriya, 'pag nandun ka na you can do anything, maglabas ka ng album kahit 'di ka naman talaga kumakanta. Si Edu Manzano nga may album e, biruin mo yun? hehe. Si Kris Aquino, Boy Abunda, at kung sinu-sino pa.
at least they don't sing on their "albums"... :lol:
eh alam niyo ba na kahit si Victor Neri AKA "Notoryus" may album din? nung 90s pa ata yun. haha.
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now that...is EPIC FAIL. as far as i can remember, that album was a flop.
hinihintay ko nalang album ni GMA..what the hell is going on in our industry? :cry:
at the rate things are going, that wouldn't be farfetched. :lol:
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it's not a good formula anymore... :lol:
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buti pa si Madam Auring...
may asiiiim...may asim pa...
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Screwer, yung mga COMMERCIAL MODELS ba mabilis din magka-album?
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Screwer, yung mga COMMERCIAL MODELS ba mabilis din magka-album?
hahahaha!!that's a private question...loko ka...let's wait and see... our future is too risky.. :lol:..
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There's an article in Pulp Magazine's November Issue. Lourds De Veyra wrote it and it's funny and true. He discussed the albums/releases of Artistas and the likes.
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in a way naghire sila ng mga musicians yung mga nagedit ng kanta nila and so on and so forth. naalala ko pala pati si troy montero ginawan din ng music album yun lang di nag materialize.
sad to say this is how the industry works ke showbiz ke music industry gusto nila kumita kaagad ng mga companies. this is the easiest way on how to market their music using face value, life is so unfair. kaya it's up to the indie bands to come up with a marketing formula on how to go around this problem. real musicians and songwriters should have a voice in this issue they could always lobby a bill or create a union.
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siguro ganyan na ngayun ang description nila ng radio friendly music...
hehehe..."Remember the GOLDEN RULE... He who has the GOLD makes the RULE" :roll: