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Anything Goes => Kalusugan, Kakisigan at Kaayusan => Topic started by: skunkyfunk on April 14, 2008, 12:36:01 PM
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Fak. A simple Louis Vuitton bag that can carry a makeup kit, cellphone and other [gooey brown stuff] that takes your partner forever to finish in the dressing room can cost no less than P28k. Their shoes go for P37k a pair on the average. The same goes for Gucci and Prada.
On the other side, you have people buying cheapass knockoffs of signature or designer clothes. Why the hell do you buy 'em?
Buti pa Girbaud, they sell their bags with fair prices, although I find their jeans a tad too expensive.
But then again, what if your partner tells you, "Why do you need a P50,000 (or more) guitar or amp?"
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just my two cents bro, I think it's the "quality" of those stuff, plus of course theie endorsers, pero may iba na dahil sa mahal ng ibinabayad sa endorser, grabe ang presyo.. Karamihan naman is because of the taxes kasi imported sila.. try selling "blowing bubbles" and "bizzare" shirts sa ibang bansa.. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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hindi rin ako naniniwala sa pagbili ng mga branded na damit. parang impraktikal din minsan. marami akong damit na hindi naman branded pero hanep ang quality.
at saka kung fashion sense lang din, nanjan naman ang tinatawag nating 'ukay ukay'. madalas din pag may nagustuhan akong damit pero branded, maghahanap na lang ako ng approximation ng design nito sa kung saan na mas mura. haha.
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Fak. A simple Louis Vuitton bag that can carry a makeup kit, cellphone and other [gooey brown stuff] that takes your partner forever to finish in the dressing room can cost no less than P28k. Their shoes go for P37k a pair on the average. The same goes for Gucci and Prada.
On the other side, you have people buying cheapass knockoffs of signature or designer clothes. Why the hell do you buy 'em?
Buti pa Girbaud, they sell their bags with fair prices, although I find their jeans a tad too expensive.
But then again, what if your partner tells you, "Why do you need a P50,000 (or more) guitar or amp?"
for normal wear, i don't buy spendy stuff, hell, i often wear down what i usually own but i do admit that the cut, feel and workmanship of a nice Zegna or Marlowe suit is well worth the price. i have a couple of really nice suits for use when the event requires something extra spiffy.
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maybe because they had too much dough, di nila alam pano ubusin. or, baka galit sila sa pera.
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kanya-kanyang trip lang. why buy it? simply because you can.
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Hindi naman 28K = LV bag eh.
It's more like, 28K = wife that won't give you headaches for a while :D
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I honestly despise the SIGNATURE/DESIGNER "coolness" idea
+100,000,000
i also despise people na mahilig magsuot ng mga ganyang damit pero 3 days pa lang pagkatapos sumuweldo eh nagungutang na agad...
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+100,000,000
i also despise people na mahilig magsuot ng mga ganyang damit pero 3 days pa lang pagkatapos sumuweldo eh nagungutang na agad...
+1,000,000,000!
yun naman ang masaklap. anhin mo yung mga damit na ganyan sabay utang amf. in the end, hindi ka rin naman mapapansin with the clothes you wear. why do you wear expensive clothes in the first place? pa-impress? (depende na nga lang kung uber-rich ka and you CAN afford to buy 'em) pero kung sakto lang yung sweldo mo for daily expenses sabay bili ng mamahaling damit/gamit eh ogag ka pala.
pagdating sa gamit sa musika, ibang usapan na yan. it suddenly becomes justifiable when you have a new buzzard (naks incx) or whatnots. iba yun eh. hindi mo pwedeng isumbat sa partner mo: eh baket ikaw ang mahal ng gitara/amp mo? :lol:
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my point-of-view
why do most of us despise signature items? take for example na lang ang prada bags. why do you despise them? is it because:
1. you can't afford it
2. you don't think you'll use/need it
3. both
I THINK, people who tend to buy these expensive things have their 'not so valid' reasons (not-so valid sa level nating mahihirap or middle-class). isa na siguro sa mga resaons na yan ay ang pagkakaroon ng mayayaman ding kaibigan or acquaintance. at/or isa silang kilala/sikat na tao. sa tingin niyo kung hindi mayaman, mei kaya, or kilala ang mga taong nakapalibot sa kanila ay bibili pa rin sila ng mga ganyang gamit?
at dyan pumapasok ang salitang... INFLUENCE
disclaimer: hindi po ako mayaman. hindi din po ako sikat. at lalung hindi ako big fan ng mga mahahalin/imported na gamit..
lastly... pag halimbawa mei partner kayong mahihilig sa mga mahal na gamit... tapos binanatan niyo ng 'bakit ba ang hilig mong bumili ng mga mamahaling gamit?' at binanatan ka niya ng 'eh bakit ikaw bumibili ng mga mahal na gitara (or accessories)?'
anong isasagot niyo? anong irarason niyo? hind mo pwedeng sabihin na magkaiba yun dahil the way i see it ay pareho lang kayong bumibili ng mahal na gamit. di mo din pwedeng sabihing neccessity or need mo yun (not unless musician ka by profession). pero kung hilig mo lang yun, hindi ka pwedeng mag rason na neccessity yun. pwede mong sabihin na dahil sa 'quality' pero pwedeng yan din ang isagot niya sayo. so lalabas pa din na pareho nga lang kayong bumibili ng mamahaling gamit.
so anong isasagot mo? di ba hindi naman kayo nagkaiba? :lol:
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+100,000,000
i also despise people na mahilig magsuot ng mga ganyang damit pero 3 days pa lang pagkatapos sumuweldo eh nagungutang na agad...
LOL i smell people with head-sets during the night.
it's better to be wallet-less but have money rather than have no money because of a wallet.
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LOL i smell people with head-sets during the night.
you got that right man..
madami, as in madami sila...
parang araw araw eh fashion show...
"hey check out my new pants/shirt/shoes/bag/etc"
fcking annoying guys...
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Tawag namin sa mga ganun noong high school ako (all-male catholic school siya), mga Glamour Boys.
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Fak. A simple Louis Vuitton bag that can carry a makeup kit, cellphone and other [gooey brown stuff] that takes your partner forever to finish in the dressing room can cost no less than P28k. Their shoes go for P37k a pair on the average. The same goes for Gucci and Prada.
On the other side, you have people buying cheapass knockoffs of signature or designer clothes. Why the hell do you buy 'em?
Buti pa Girbaud, they sell their bags with fair prices, although I find their jeans a tad too expensive.
But then again, what if your partner tells you, "Why do you need a P50,000 (or more) guitar or amp?"
a 50k guitar is worth every penny in my oppinion
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itanong niyo nalang "natutugtog mo ba yung bag mo?" :-D
kasi parehas lang din naman sa totoo lang ung normal na bag sa mamahalin e.. hehe, mas maganda lang ung materials cguro pero ang bag naman ndi tungkol sa materials e.. dba lalagyanan ng gamit un? bat kailangang 20+k pero ang kaya lang dalhin cellphone tsaka wallet tsaka onting maliliit na bagay??
two cents.. :-D
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itanong niyo nalang "natutugtog mo ba yung bag mo?" :-D
eh nalalagyan ba ng mga gamit yang electric guitar mo?
wag mong sasabihin sa akin na mei bag na kasama yun na pwede mong lagyan ng gamit... :lol:
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eh nalalagyan ba ng mga gamit yang electric guitar mo?
wag mong sasabihin sa akin na mei bag na kasama yun na pwede mong lagyan ng gamit... :lol:
haha.. uu nga no? hehehe.. wala talagang laban... :lol:
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pero aktwali yung guitar bag, puwede din naman siyang gawing bag na pamasok. pang fashion statement. HAHAHA!
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haha.. uu nga no? hehehe.. wala talagang laban... :lol:
hihihi... wag ka maingay... baka mag isip pa yun ng irereply niya... :lol:
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meron ata libreng gig bag ung gitarang same price lang.. hehe (sana)...
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Puwede ka kumita using a P50,000 guitar. Sa bag na P30k, puwede mo ba pagkakitaan? :D
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Puwede ka kumita using a P50,000 guitar. Sa bag na P30k, puwede mo ba pagkakitaan? :D
Haha. Tama. Ito pa, pag ginamit mo ba yung bag mong 30k, may papalakpak ba sayo?
Pag pinost mo ba yung video mo na ginagamit yung bag mo sa youtube, may manonood?
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Haha. Tama. Ito pa, pag ginamit mo ba yung bag mong 30k, may papalakpak ba sayo?
Pag pinost mo ba yung video mo na ginagamit yung bag mo sa youtube, may manonood?
haha with a similar POV, pag dinala mo ba gitara mo sa isang fashion show, may pupuri ba sayo? LOL
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Puwede ka kumita using a P50,000 guitar. Sa bag na P30k, puwede mo ba pagkakitaan? :D
Haha. Tama. Ito pa, pag ginamit mo ba yung bag mong 30k, may papalakpak ba sayo?
Pag pinost mo ba yung video mo na ginagamit yung bag mo sa youtube, may manonood?
that's why i said if its for professional use or you need it to earn money, ibang usapan na yon. i was referring sa situation na hilig ang pinag uusapan. haven't you read my first post? oh anyway, kung hilig ng girl ang mamahaling bag at ikaw naman ay mahilig sa gitarang 50K, then wala akong makitang difference or wala kang karapatang mag tanong sa girl na 'bakit mahilig ka sa mamahaling bag' kasi nga, the way i see it, pareho lang kayong bumili ng mamahaling bagay dahil GUSTO niyo.
now, kung yung girl ay mahilig sa mamahaling bag at ikaw ay bumili ng mamahaling gitara dahil PROFESSION mo ang tumugtog, then that's a different story kasi obviously, ikaw mei reason ka to buy that expensive guitar.
people, try to analyze the situation. di porket against kayo sa signature items, doesn't mean you have to be one-sided... :roll:
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Pag pinost mo ba yung video mo na ginagamit yung bag mo sa youtube, may manonood?
pag pinost mo sa youtube yung video mo na sinisira mo yung 30k na prada bag mo madaming iiyak at siguradong madaming comments yun sa anti-socialites at socialites pati na din sa wannabes...
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that's why i said if its for professional use or you need it to earn money, ibang usapan na yon. i was referring sa situation na hilig ang pinag uusapan. haven't you read my first post? oh anyway, kung hilig ng girl ang mamahaling bag at ikaw naman ay mahilig sa gitarang 50K, then wala akong makitang difference or wala kang karapatang mag tanong sa girl na 'bakit mahilig ka sa mamahaling bag' kasi nga, the way i see it, pareho lang kayong bumili ng mamahaling bagay dahil GUSTO niyo.
now, kung yung girl ay mahilig sa mamahaling bag at ikaw ay bumili ng mamahaling gitara dahil PROFESSION mo ang tumugtog, then that's a different story kasi obviously, ikaw mei reason ka to buy that expensive guitar.
people, try to analyze the situation. di porket against kayo sa signature items, doesn't mean you have to be one-sided... :roll:
Okay, here's my stand on this. I myself don't own a P50k guitar. What I have is an RJ LP. If there's a cheaper alternative, then why bother getting a ridiculously expensive one? I'm not against people who buy signature items. As long as they have the dough for it. Kung wala kang pera, pero nagpupumilit kang sumabay dun sa mayayaman, dun na ako nababadtrip. How I wish my brother can read this.
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I spend more where it actually matters to spend more. With instruments, there will always be differences among entry-level, mid-level, and pro-level so I tend to spend more on these; where it might matter and will give you a real-world (meaning usable) advantage. I find this to be true also with products such as cars (say, choosing between a Chery and a Honda), audio equipment (Minami or Kenwood), video equipment (Asahi or Sony), etc.
However, with bags, belts, and shoes, I don't spend more on designer brands of these products. I can't seem to rationalize spending Php50K on a bag because a Php500 bag will actually serve the same purpose (its SOLE purpose actually) of carrying my stuff around. Designer brands may be chic but, for me, they don't offer any "special" advantage that could justify their steep price.
And this has something to do with these products' designs. Belts, bags, and shoes aren't that complicated at all in their design. So, in the simplicity of their design, I find they could only offer two real-world advantages over their cheaper counterparts: AESTHETICS & STURDINESS. Meanwhile, with a product as complicated as a car, or an amplifier, or an LCD TV, aside from the two aforementioned advantages they may have technology incorporated in their design that may actually give you a lot more usable advantages. Thus, it may be wise to spend more on these types of products.
But if LV could come up with a pair of shoes that could pick up women (yung tipong may push button sa sole and, when pressed, the woman you are talking with will become instantly attracted to you), I might pay 50K for those. Until then, a 50K-pair-o'-shoes will, at the end of the day, still just be a pair of shoes.
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I spend more where it actually matters to spend more. With instruments, there will always be differences among entry-level, mid-level, and pro-level so I tend to spend more on these; where it might matter and will give you a real-world (meaning usable) advantage. I find this to be true also with products such as cars (say, choosing between a Chery and a Honda), audio equipment (Minami or Kenwood), video equipment (Asahi or Sony), etc.
However, with bags, belts, and shoes, I don't spend more on designer brands of these products. I can't seem to rationalize spending Php50K on a bag because a Php500 bag will actually serve the same purpose (its SOLE purpose actually) of carrying my stuff around. Designer brands may be chic but, for me, they don't offer any "special" advantage that could justify their steep price.
And this has something to do with these products' designs. Belts, bags, and shoes aren't that complicated at all in their design. So, in the simplicity of their design, I find they could only offer two real-world advantages over their cheaper counterparts: AESTHETICS & STURDINESS. Meanwhile, with a product as complicated as a car, or an amplifier, or an LCD TV, aside from the two aforementioned advantages they may have technology incorporated in their design that may actually give you a lot more usable advantages. Thus, it may be wise to spend more on these types of products.
But if LV could come up with a pair of shoes that could pick up women (yung tipong may push button sa sole and, when pressed, the woman you are talking with will become instantly attracted to you), I might pay 50K for those. Until then, a 50K-pair-o'-shoes will, at the end of the day, still just be a pair of shoes.
+1
My point exactly.
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However, with bags, belts, and shoes, I don't spend more on designer brands of these products. I can't seem to rationalize spending Php50K on a bag because a Php500 bag will actually serve the same purpose (its SOLE purpose actually) of carrying my stuff around.
if you tell that to Chanel, they'll probably say:
"Our bags ARE DEFINITELY NOT ONLY FOR CARRYING STUFF AROUND. Chanel is a statement."
LOL, i dunno what that means, but what is trash to you may be precious to someone else; what you take for granted can actually be appreciated by others.
for an immediate example, signature stuff is usually associated with Social Status; the more of it you have, the higher your status in life. it's the same with guitars; the more Suhrs you have, it means you can afford it, thus you have a high status in life.
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if you tell that to Chanel, they'll probably say:
"Our bags ARE DEFINITELY NOT ONLY FOR CARRYING STUFF AROUND. Chanel is a statement."
This probably means "If you're stupid enough to believe this statement, then THANK YOU for making us richer!" :-D
Look, a bag is a bag.
LOL, i dunno what that means, but what is trash to you may be precious to someone else; what you take for granted can actually be appreciated by others.
for an immediate example, signature stuff is usually associated with Social Status; the more of it you have, the higher your status in life. it's the same with guitars; the more Suhrs you have, it means you can afford it, thus you have a high status in life.
Again, the simplicity of a bag and the complexity of a guitar are factors here. Whether it be a Php500 or a Php50,000 bag, it will serve the same purpose of carrying your stuff around; kahit na, let's say, imperfect yung pagkakatahi nung cheaper bag. But consider a Php5000 Lumanog and a Php50,000 Ibanez, they could be worlds apart! If the Lumanog had a warped neck and cannot be in-tune, it will not be even playable! So it cannot serve its purpose. But the Php500 bag, with all its imperfection, still serves its purpose. This is what I mean by "I spend more where it matters to spend more".
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that's why i said if its for professional use or you need it to earn money, ibang usapan na yon. i was referring sa situation na hilig ang pinag uusapan. haven't you read my first post?
now, kung yung girl ay mahilig sa mamahaling bag at ikaw ay bumili ng mamahaling gitara dahil PROFESSION mo ang tumugtog, then that's a different story kasi obviously, ikaw mei reason ka to buy that expensive guitar.
Gurl I read your post, but what I failed to emphasize was POTENTIAL of an item. Example. If you had 300sq. m of idle land in Ayala, versus a hectare of idle land in San Mateo, Rizal, they both are STILL IDLE INVESTMENTS. Non-moving investments. But why is the Ayala property more expensive than that of the San Mateo one? That is because the Ayala property has more intrinsic value and has the potential to generate income, kahit na puro talahib lang siya. On the one hand, ang isang lupa sa San Mateo na puro talahib ay pareho lang ang benefit kumpara sa isang lupa sa Makati na puro talahib.
IMO, a LV bag, no matter how much "intrinsic value" they say they possess, cannot bring you income, at all, (unless you talk about rarities that most Hollywood celebrities buy, and eventually sell for much higher because they were pre-owned by celebrities.) On the other hand, an expensive guitar may probably exceed the quality of a cheap guitar, but in an "investment" context, a working musician can benefit from that.
people, try to analyze the situation. di porket against kayo sa signature items, doesn't mean you have to be one-sided... :roll:
You don't understand. Kaming mga lalaki ang nabubutasan ng bulsa. :D
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You don't understand. Kaming mga lalaki ang nabubutasan ng bulsa. :D
ganun ba... :lol: nyahahaha... sabihin niyo dun sa girl bumili siya mag isa niya... :lol:
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so ano na to, nagko-concede na ang mga kababaihan? panalo na ba kami? :-D
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so ano na to, nagko-concede na ang mga kababaihan? panalo na ba kami? :-D
panalo saan? mei laban ba?
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most of my shirts are priced at only 150 bucks and i'm proud of it. i don't care if you have a polo or guess shirt. at least hindi ako nangungutang pambili ng luho ko. 8-)
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most of my shirts are priced at only 150 bucks and i'm proud of it. i don't care if you have a polo or guess shirt. at least hindi ako nangungutang pambili ng luho ko. 8-)
tshirt ko pang ofis 75 pesos lang...pag bumili ako ng isang set(6 shirts) may discount pang 40 pesos kaya 410pesos na lang para sa anim na shirts :-D
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tshirt ko pang ofis 75 pesos lang...pag bumili ako ng isang set(6 shirts) may discount pang 40 pesos kaya 410pesos na lang para sa anim na shirts :-D
hhmmmm... san ka bumibili pre? ha ha ha :-D yung bibinibili ko usually sa greenhills yung shirt na may print lang sa harap pero minsan mahal pa, yung 150 sa sm dept. store. :-D
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tshirt ko pang ofis 75 pesos lang...pag bumili ako ng isang set(6 shirts) may discount pang 40 pesos kaya 410pesos na lang para sa anim na shirts :-D
eh panong hindi magiging 75 each generic na plain black lang naman tshirt mo araw-araw sa office eh amfufu!
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"branded" ba ang bench??? kasi isa sa luho ko ung bumili ng briefs ng bench n penshoppe...i feel sexy kasi :-P...kesa yc bikini or carter... :-P
sa ken kasi, subjective din ang brand...depende sa maraming factors like capacity to pay, classification ng need or want...like wats been said b4 me, if u have the moolah, or u need it for work, then its ok to buy higher brands...everything else, yabang or inggit lang nagdrive sa taong un... :evil:
abt d plain shirts....i buy my plain shirts sa divisoria...P58each, its plain, ryt, so wat, i can't complain...pag gus2 ko ng print, edi DIY print... (OT: we are selling our band shirt...P200 only...check out our frendster: wearefreefish@gmail.com...shameless plug... :lol:)...
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May mga mayayaman kasi na ayaw nilang matawag silang kuripot. :lol:
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hehe, interesting thread. POV ko, let them splurge all the way until they realize what a moron they were for becoming too attached to that signature hype dodo. bags and guitars cant be compared, never should be, considering the potential of the guitar to the user vis-s-vis the bag to its owner.
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hhmmmm... san ka bumibili pre? ha ha ha :-D yung bibinibili ko usually sa greenhills yung shirt na may print lang sa harap pero minsan mahal pa, yung 150 sa sm dept. store. :-D
sa tutuban pre...ok naman yung quality nya mejo makapal at malambot yung tela...suki na ko dun kaya pag nakita nila pagmumuka ko na parating sa shop nila alam na nila kukunin nila...
eh panong hindi magiging 75 each generic na plain black lang naman tshirt mo araw-araw sa office eh amfufu!
ayoko kasi nung mga damit na may print...minsan lang ako magkaron ng ganun karamihan mga bigay/regalo pa sakin...
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tshirt ko pang ofis 75 pesos lang...pag bumili ako ng isang set(6 shirts) may discount pang 40 pesos kaya 410pesos na lang para sa anim na shirts :-D
hahaha parehas tayo bro, set din ako pag bumili ng shirt sa divisoria, plain din kadalasan binibili ko. pag wala kasing print, wala silang masasabi na "uy di ba suot mo yan nung isang araw?" hahahaha.
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sa school paper namin, may article na related sa thread na to. from what i remember, (tinapon ko na kasi yung paper na yun. hehe). nakalagay dun na bumibili ang mga tao ng signature/designer brands dahil ito'y nagtataas ng kanilang self-esteem, and it kind of associates themselves with a certain crowd, the "in" crowd i believe.
but this is not the case for me. i'll buy anything that works. i'll buy branded stuff because they offer designs that non-branded stuff does not offer, and vice-versa too. :-)
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Mas importante sa akin itsura ng damit o ng gamit, hindi yung brand. Ang mentality ko: if I can buy it for cheap, then I'll get it.
I'm not one to boast brands anyway.
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i always go for the quality. kung kaya naman ng bulsa why not. kanya-kanyang trip lang naman eh. :-D
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ang ayaw ko lang na ganyan yung sa mga bags ng babae like louis vutton yung mom ko na aadik tas di naman niya gagamitin sayang lang sa pera naka tago lang sa cabinet eh kung ibigay nalang nya sakin ung pera may pam bili pa ko ng gibson les paul... :-D :-D :-D
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kung sa tingin mo reasonable naman yung price para sa hanap mo...why not?but say pay 50-60k for a bag no way!hey marami mas cheap at mas matibay na brand if ya know where to look..
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ang ayaw ko lang na ganyan yung sa mga bags ng babae like louis vutton yung mom ko na aadik tas di naman niya gagamitin sayang lang sa pera naka tago lang sa cabinet eh kung ibigay nalang nya sakin ung pera may pam bili pa ko ng gibson les paul... :-D :-D :-D
muntik na ko maduling sayo bro hehe.
seriously, may mga taong naapektohan pag meron silang nakikitang signature items na gamit ng iba. for some it raises their self-esteem. sa iba 9like me) walang epekto.
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Puwede ka kumita using a P50,000 guitar. Sa bag na P30k, puwede mo ba pagkakitaan? :D
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same argument pag nagtatalo na kami sa gastos ni gf.... wehehehe
Pero I think people who can really afford it (excluding posers of course who can buy one for show or people that buy the fake ones) buy it because it has now become their standard of living...
Like for us I guess none of us will really wear a pair of mighty kid or a dino light shoes if hey had an adult size for it...
For me I believe in the practicality of an item should be at least equal for their amount... like suites/ dress... designer clothes really have a different cut that curves to the contour of the body.... but you can also have a suite taylor fit for less than the price. might also be a status symbol...
I might be wrong though... :roll:
labo.... hehehe :-D
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aanhin pa yang mga signature crap na yan kung ang balat mo naman ay ndi bagay sa gamit mo.... :-D...haaayyy...I see a lot of depressing fashion victims anywhere in the philppines.. :-D
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Bibilin mo lang yung mga ganun pag may extra cash ka. Hindi mo pinagiipunan yung mga ganun.
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May kinwento sakin yung isang artist dun sa ex company ko na ganito. Kasi kilala ako sa pagiging pro-PC anti-Mac person.
Me:"Bakit pa ba nagsasayang ng pera yung ibang tao for a Mac when everything can be done with a PC at half the price?"
Artist:"Kasi pogi ang mac. Parang fashion statement yun. Kahit gano siya kamahal, people dig it because pogi siya."
I think same applies for Signature stuffs. You can probably buy cheaper stuffs on ukay ukay but nothing beats carrying that "pogi" signature bag in your hand. Kumbaga trophy narin. Parang alahas. You don't have any practical use for these things but heck you buy them because it makes your girl happy.
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depende rin sa kultura ng girl or mentality...for me pag typical girls or material girls...kahit nililigawan palang tapos magpapabili ng unneccessary borloloy or etc.....sisimulan ko na mag back out nyan...kasi senyales na yan... :lol:
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Gurl I read your post, but what I failed to emphasize was POTENTIAL of an item. Example. If you had 300sq. m of idle land in Ayala, versus a hectare of idle land in San Mateo, Rizal, they both are STILL IDLE INVESTMENTS. Non-moving investments. But why is the Ayala property more expensive than that of the San Mateo one? That is because the Ayala property has more intrinsic value and has the potential to generate income, kahit na puro talahib lang siya. On the one hand, ang isang lupa sa San Mateo na puro talahib ay pareho lang ang benefit kumpara sa isang lupa sa Makati na puro talahib.
IMO, a LV bag, no matter how much "intrinsic value" they say they possess, cannot bring you income, at all, (unless you talk about rarities that most Hollywood celebrities buy, and eventually sell for much higher because they were pre-owned by celebrities.) On the other hand, an expensive guitar may probably exceed the quality of a cheap guitar, but in an "investment" context, a working musician can benefit from that.
You don't understand. Kaming mga lalaki ang nabubutasan ng bulsa. :D
i dont agree that you cant make money off of high fashion. these are not my values, but a lot of business people build credibility by dressing up, and creating or maintaining an air of affluence. i remember a scene in schindler's list wherein an enterprising oskar schindler dresses up to make an impression on the rich guests and nazi officers at a dinner party.
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ok lang sana kung mga lacoste, benetton, giordano and the likes pwede pa. pero kung yung mga gucci etc... kalokohan na yon. di ako bibili ng ganun kahit kelan... ipapa kain ko na lang sa pamilya ko kesa ipang bili nun..
"ang daming ng naguguton fashionista ka pa din!"
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pero syempre iba pa din ang branded... like ng lacoste ng erpat ko. mas matanda pa sakin yung lacoste niya so mga 23+ years na yun. hanggang ngayon suot pa din niya. hindi pa din nangungupas...
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i dont agree that you cant make money off of high fashion. these are not my values, but a lot of business people build credibility by dressing up, and creating or maintaining an air of affluence. i remember a scene in schindler's list wherein an enterprising oskar schindler dresses up to make an impression on the rich guests and nazi officers at a dinner party.
Hazel, I think 95% of the people who buy signature stuff don't make a living out of them. Power-dressing they call it. :? Heck, I've seen people who dress up pretty well after having a P2000 shopping spree at 168 mall. And I have seen people who wear a P2000 blouse that make 'em look fake to me.
If you're an endorser for signature clothing, good for you. You're the real influence to a lot of potential fashion victims. :-D
Which explains why the counterfeit trade is so in.....
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Hazel, I think 95% of the people who buy signature stuff don't make a living out of them. Power-dressing they call it. :? Heck, I've seen people who dress up pretty well after having a P2000 shopping spree at 168 mall. And I have seen people who wear a P2000 blouse that make 'em look fake to me.
If you're an endorser for signature clothing, good for you. You're the real influence to a lot of potential fashion victims. :-D
Which explains why the counterfeit trade is so in.....
i never said it was necessary to spend a fortune to look good. as i mentioned earlier, it is not in my values to spend more than i have to in clothing, footwear, and accessories. heck i wear my 50 peso slippers even at work :-D however, you did say you can't make money off of donning the most expensive suits. and i cited an example wherein one could.
marketing 101 lang yan. the pursuit of exclusivity is what drives some people to purchase relatively expensive items. it's a part of human nature, to want to feel special and unique. some feel special by serving the masses, others by identifying themselves APART from the masses. reminds me of dr. seuss' "The Sneetches".
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i dunno the stuff i look for i cant seem to find when i shop in a well known store...sure ive got mossimo,bench and things pero
mas prefer ko talaga kunwari statement shirts,those spoof thingys saka yung mga airbrushed i dont mind the brand..minsan ako pa nagpepersonalize ng gamit ko...like,i paint stuff on my jeans or silkscreen my own designs...mas noticed ako, inexpensive,cool,and unique at the same time i found it to be 1000x cooler :-D
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i stopped buying pants sa mall nung nalaman kong mas makakapili ako ng style at mas mura kung magpapatahi na lang ako...
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i stopped buying pants sa mall nung nalaman kong mas makakapili ako ng style at mas mura kung magpapatahi na lang ako...
i hated pants in malls.
BUT, when i found the brand and style that i actually did like and it really did fit my lower body, from then on i always bought from that brand (which is Lee, btw, and their lo-fit stye, which also sucks because it costs 900 bucks.)
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yung Paddocks nga nagiging ka-presyo na din nila eh...yung F&H ganun din...magaganda sana ang tela kaso nagtataasan na ng price...
kung ganun din lang...bibili na lang ako nyan Lee...ganyan din brand ko dati eh...
pero dahil walang bell bottoms na binebenta ngayon tapos puro skinny jeans at mga straight cut na may fake fade lines eh bumibili na lang talaga ako tela sa Divisoria at pinapatahi dito samin...
yung fade at destroyed look, DIY ko na lang...
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I say let those people with low self-esteem buy their ridiculously expensive clothes & show how pathetic they really are because their existence is validated by what Paris Hilton's favorite outfit for the day is. Man, those kind of people never fail to crack me up. :lol:
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why are people so brand conscious? pare-pareha naman ang itsura ng lahat eh.. sa quality at durability nalang siguro may differences.. tsaka depende lang naman yan sa pagdala ng isang tao eh.. sigh..
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ewan ko kung ganyan pa rin ang mga tao sa lasal, pero nung nag-aaral pa ako dun, you had to be wearing the latest signature clothes para di ka pagtawanan at pag-usapan ng mga kaklase mo...
my take on this? PFFFFFT. buti na lang di ganyan ngayon na nagtatrabaho ako. i'd rather spend my hard-earned cash on GAS, band expenses, books and booze than on the latest signature brands. as long as it's comfortable and durable, yun lang yung importante. :-D
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as far as i'm concerned, designer clothing is not a necessity, but a privelege. so let's not discriminate the "privileged" who are able to afford designer clothing with more to spare.
personally, i am brand conscious when it comes to shoes ONLY. sa shirts, pants, bags, etc. hindi naman ako brand conscious. madali kasi ako makalaspag ng shoes na hindi branded. i tried a lot of no-brand shoes already and i have been repeatedly disappointed.
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as far as i'm concerned, designer clothing is not a necessity, but a privelege. so let's not discriminate the "privileged" who are able to afford designer clothing with more to spare.
personally, i am brand conscious when it comes to shoes ONLY. sa shirts, pants, bags, etc. hindi naman ako brand conscious. madali kasi ako makalaspag ng shoes na hindi branded. i tried a lot of no-brand shoes already and i have been repeatedly disappointed.
pareho tayo. dun lang ako brand-conscious...but only when it comes to basketball shoes. :-D
otherwise, i'd rather GAS then splurge on designer-brand shirts or jeans! :-D
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dami kong nakikita dito worth 20,000 per shirt... mga ralph lauren, gucci.... pag pasok nga namin parang pinapaalis na kagad kami ng tindero eh.. sa tingin pa lang parang sinasabi na "may pambili ba kayo neto?" hehehe
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I personally don't mind buying signature clothes as long as the items are worth it and the money I spend won't compromise anything important that I need to always have budget for. I don't mean to sound like an @$$, but I think it's hypocritical of some people to just blurt out their despise of the finer things in life with much fervor but if they had a chance to acquire something considered as high-end without losing much, they'd buy it in a flash. I think it's a function of spending capacity AND priorities.
We have our own unique spending priorities; we may classify purchasing something as negative spending (or senseless/unnecessary spending) while others see it as otherwise. Also, the general trend is if one's income increases, then his or her spending somehow increases as well. Spending doesn't stop at buying signature clothes or high-end musical equipment; it can also mean financing insurance policies, buying a nice car, visiting the dentist or dermatologist regularly, among others. For example, person A may like signature clothes and bags while person B may prefer to buy electronic gadgets or computer parts. Assuming that both have the ability to shell out some serious dough, the one who only likes signature stuff naturally downplays the need of buying high-tech gadgets or upgrading to the latest Core 2 Quadro Intel processor, all this while Mr./Ms. Techie feels the same way about purchasing products created by the major proponents of fashion capitalism such as Louis Vuitton, Salvatore Ferragamo, Ermenegildo Zegna, etc.
My personal stand is that we should have a more holistic view of spending. Buying designer clothes isn't bad as long as it won't rob us of our budget for providing good and healthy lives for ourselves and for our loved ones. The truth is that there aren't too many Mother Teresa wannabes in this world and we all have our own high-end thingamajig that we'd want to buy someday, if our wallets or bank accounts allow it. The "signature/designer = coolness" equation doesn't stop at clothing or luggage; practically everything has cheapo-level and exclusive/boutique-level varieties. Heck, even coffee has a lot of options ranging from Blend 45/Great Taste to Blue Mountain or Kopi Luwak blends. If one says that the way to go should always be to buy entry-level clothes, to wear entry-level shoes, to use entry-level wallets and bags, to invest on entry-level watches and to spray entry-level perfume on ourselves even if we have, say P50,000,000 at our disposal, then I say it's ludicrous.
Spending is one thing but spending wisely and proportionately to your own budget is a whole new ballgame :)
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I personally don't mind buying signature clothes as long as the items are worth it and the money I spend won't compromise anything important that I need to always have budget for. I don't mean to sound like an @$$, but I think it's hypocritical of some people to just blurt out their despise of the finer things in life with much fervor but if they had a chance to acquire something considered as high-end without losing much, they'd buy it in a flash. I think it's a function of spending capacity AND priorities.
+1.
andami lang talaga na lumalabas ang defense mechanisms and insecurities vs those who can afford. :-)
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+1.
andami lang talaga na lumalabas ang defense mechanisms and insecurities vs those who can afford. :-)
in the end kanyang kanyang trip sa fashion yan...its what you look for rather than what brand everyone else wears...whether i you can afford it or not
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Sabi nga ehh...
Tang!*@mo Ang Daming Nagugutom Sa Mundo Fashionista Ka Pa Rin!!!
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+1.
andami lang talaga na lumalabas ang defense mechanisms and insecurities vs those who can afford. :-)
well hey, lemme quote my first post on this thread
i also despise people na mahilig magsuot ng mga ganyang damit pero 3 days pa lang pagkatapos sumuweldo eh nagungutang na agad...
diba nakakainis yung pilit lang yung pagbili nya ng damit? sabihin natin may kaibigan ka o kabanda na mahilig sa designer clothes and stuff at may plan kayong mag produce ng isang album(indie)...hindi sya maka-ambag dahil panay bili nya ng designer stuff...di ka maiinis nun?
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well hey, lemme quote my first post on this thread
diba nakakainis yung pilit lang yung pagbili nya ng damit? sabihin natin may kaibigan ka o kabanda na mahilig sa designer clothes and stuff at may plan kayong mag produce ng isang album(indie)...hindi sya maka-ambag dahil panay bili nya ng designer stuff...di ka maiinis nun?
exactly my point as to why i'd rather not look at the brand...bili ka nga ng bili ng mamahaling damit pero wala kang pang-ambag para sa praktis o recording?
but this i'll concede to, aside from an occasional splurging on basketball shoes. imported jeans are more durable, and i'd rather wear them than most local brands. and they "never let you down" at the wrong time. :wink:
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diba nakakainis yung pilit lang yung pagbili nya ng damit? sabihin natin may kaibigan ka o kabanda na mahilig sa designer clothes and stuff at may plan kayong mag produce ng isang album(indie)...hindi sya maka-ambag dahil panay bili nya ng designer stuff...di ka maiinis nun?
i get your point chief. pero this is a totally different scenario from what the topic says. the topic is about the "coolness" of owning/wearing designer clothing.
what you're talking about are the posers...yung mga taong wala naman talagang pambili na bumibili ng mga designer clothing for them to fit in, belong, or what have you.
i agreed with Pound's statement and i quote: "money I spend won't compromise anything important that I need to always have budget for."
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nahihilo na ko. @_@
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id wear designer clothes why not?as long as it doesnt cost a lot.kaya nga ukay boy ako e,dami ok dun.durable at mas ok yung fit.
examples:
1.got 20 acdc shirts one time at 20 each,lahat cotton at lahat astig us made,fairly used pero panalo
2.got a gore tex jacket for 150 only,bago pa konting linis lang or laba kasi nga gamit ata pinang akyat.when i checked it out sa mall.wow it costs 15k ata for the same jacket.north face yun ah?i now name it face north.haha.
3.pants at 50,camouflage pants 300 and get this another field jacket that is also gore tex at 1k.e yung sa quapo nga 3.5k yung local made lang e,eto gore tex pa.
so yeah, i will wear it as long as it does not cost me an arm and a leg to get em.be wise also kasi di naman lahat ng damit na yan masusuot mo e.you are also reusing things ergo you are are a green person.hahaha.
or pwede rin kasi ilokano ako at kuripot.pero id rather spend money on good books and music than on clothes.
cool is not what you wear,cool is the person wearing it.tama ba english ko mga tsong?