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Title: Ang lalakas pumalo ng mga PINOY!! Let's settle the Issue.......
Post by: sandythedrummer on May 20, 2008, 01:32:46 PM
I got the Chance to play with the country's bass legend last Sunday. He's Mr Colby dela Calzada. He played with various artists like Kevin Lettau, Affinity and many others. Ngayon he said one thing that got my attention. Ang lalakas daw tumugtog ng mga drummer na pinoy. Kasi Drum is almost 100% acoustic instruments that depends on the room's acoustics so he's expecting the drummer should have his own "mixer". Mixer meaning he can adjust his volume. Reklamo daw kasi ng mga drummers pag humina sila eh nawawala yung feel. Actually yun ren reklamo ko if someone asks me to tone down. He also commented one time when TOTO guested in ABSCBN and heard the sessionist playing, Toto said "They're the loudest band we've ever heard".
So ito na lang, Are we too loud? And Foreign drummers are "laid back"? I need people who somehow watched/opened for/knew a foreign drummer.
Salamat!!
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Post by: Gep on May 20, 2008, 01:46:59 PM
Siguro hindi lang sanay sa mic'ed setup ang Pinoy. :-)
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Post by: carl20 on May 20, 2008, 01:53:16 PM
napanuod ko sa master Dom Famuralo malakas din sya pumalo eh nung nag clinic sya dito,..
Pero napansin ko lang kasi sa mga foreign artists napaka importante sa kanila ng mga monitors nakakainggit kasi talagang di sila tutugtug hanggat problema nila ang monitors nila, yun siguro nakikita kong kaibahan dito, medyo lo-tech pa din tayo sa monitors eh saka minsan di rin nasusunod yung request ng artist dito pag humihingi kung anung tunog gusto nila palabasin sa monitors nila,... :|
Title: Re: Ang lalakas pumalo ng mga PINOY!! Let's settle the Issue.......
Post by: Sherwin_xx2002 on May 20, 2008, 01:56:37 PM
....Reklamo daw kasi ng mga drummers pag humina sila eh nawawala yung feel. Actually yun ren reklamo ko if someone asks me to tone down....
+1pare...
Title: Re: Ang lalakas pumalo ng mga PINOY!! Let's settle the Issue.......
Post by: FINGERZAP on May 20, 2008, 01:57:25 PM
This is very true especially in a church setting! It somehow gets in the way of worship kasi nabibingi yung buong congregation. :-D
I think it's a newbie mentality na rin. "The louder, the better" ika nga. Isa pa, most self-taught drummers never learn how to relax their grip and play from the wrist. Usually elbow yung gumagana with their wrist tightened up, even if the song calls for a softer feel.
Title: Re: Ang lalakas pumalo ng mga PINOY!! Let's settle the Issue.......
Post by: Gep on May 20, 2008, 02:32:31 PM
Sa kabutihang palad, natitimpla ko na ang wrist at elbow motion para kontrolado na palo.
Gusto ko matutunan yung finger control. Para complete package na.
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Post by: toybitz on May 20, 2008, 03:30:05 PM
if I'm playing in a large venue or open area...somehow, I subconsciously intimidated how I can make the drums reach from end to end..subconsciously because consciously..I know, there's a mic. hehehe
I still play loud when I'm: 1. asked to 2. playing for a loud band
other than that, i really enjoy playing at a volume level that compliments my technique and feel.
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Post by: drumster on May 20, 2008, 03:38:51 PM
There's a fine line between playing loudly and playing with force.
One good example I can think of is Benjie Mendez. Frankly, he has the tendency to play with loud volume. Yet, he knows how to hit things. He just doesn't bash on the drums and cymbals. I've observed that he knows how to get the most out of the instruments' sounds. He plays at the right spot, and he is very aware of his dynamics. He plays loudly only during the right moment. Yet, his playing remains musical.
I think the problem is when loudness becomes non-musical. Instead of music, it gets classified as noise.
I guess it also comes with experience. It also depends on the style of music. We should develop the ability to gauge our volume limits. Though I believe that we can still play softly without compromising the feel.
I also believe that we drummers should be the ones setting the tone, in terms of dynamics. When a drummer plays softer, his/her bandmates should interact by adjusting their dynamics with their drummer's dynamic levels. When a drummer gradually increases or decreases his/her dynamic levels, bandmates should follow too. I think it's a common issue that there are some musicians who want to be heard more. Ika nga, ayaw nila masapawan at gusto nila nasa top layer sila. And more often, that's when the volume problem begins. We should become more sensitive with our volume levels.
Personally, I don't want to generalize Pinoy drummers as loud drummers, compared to our foreign counterparts. I've seen a lot of foreigners who also tend to really bash their instruments. One example is Kenny Aronoff. I was at the Zildjian Day Manila drum clinic two years ago when he was the special guest, and so far I've never seen nor heard anyone play the drumkit as loud and as powerful as Mr. Aronoff. I meant no offense; I'm not labeling him as a "basher". But if you were present during that event, you'll probably understand. :-)
This is a very good topic to discuss, bro Sandy. :wink:
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Post by: carl20 on May 20, 2008, 04:11:55 PM
There's a fine line between playing loudly and playing with force.
One good example I can think of is Benjie Mendez. Frankly, he has the tendency to play with loud volume. Yet, he knows how to hit things. He just doesn't bash on the drums and cymbals. I've observed that he knows how to get the most out of the instruments' sounds. He plays at the right spot, and he is very aware of his dynamics. He plays loud only during the right moment. Yet, his playing remains musical.
I think the problem is when loudness becomes non-musical. Instead of music, it gets classified as noise.
I guess it also comes with experience. It also depends on the style of music. We should develop the ability to gauge our volume limits. Though I believe that we can still play softly without compromising the feel.
I also believe that we drummers should be the ones setting the tone, in terms of dynamics. When a drummer plays softer, his/her bandmates should interact by adjusting their dynamics with their drummer's dynamic levels. When a drummer gradually increases his dynamic levels, bandmates should follow too. I think it's a common issue that there are some musicians who want to be heard more. Ika nga, ayaw nila masapawan at gusto nila nasa top layer sila. And more often, that's when the volume problem begins. We should be more sensitive with our volume levels.
Personally, I don't want to generalize Pinoy drummers as loud drummers, compared to our foreign counterparts. I've seen a lot of foreigners who also tend to really bash their instruments. One example is Kenny Aronoff. I was at the Zildjian Day Manila drum clinic two years ago when he was the special guest, and so far I've never seen nor heard anyone play the drumkit as loud and as powerful as Mr. Aronoff. I meant no offense; I'm not labeling him as a "basher". But if you were present during that event, you'll probably understand. :-)
This is a very good topic to discuss, bro Sandy. :wink:
yup +1 ako about kay Kenny Aronoff I've seen him play there at MOA :-D
Title: Re: Ang lalakas pumalo ng mga PINOY!! Let's settle the Issue.......
Post by: Angst_Ridden on May 20, 2008, 04:24:11 PM
Cguro importante din tlga yng pag practice ng dynamics.
Title: Re: Ang lalakas pumalo ng mga PINOY!! Let's settle the Issue.......
Post by: popsicle on May 20, 2008, 05:53:24 PM
There's a fine line between playing loudly and playing with force.
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i like this.
I just remembered how my guitarist told me how loud i was playing (metal band with 2 guitarists) when he went to adjust something in his amp..I told.."yeah, and I'm just snapping my stick like a whip".
Title: Re: Ang lalakas pumalo ng mga PINOY!! Let's settle the Issue.......
Post by: ushuaia on May 20, 2008, 07:11:36 PM
a lot of musicians not only drummers akala pag malakas mas masarap o intense. pag mahina walang feel etc. but for me you can play soft and have as much intensity and not loose the feel. think about brian blade,antonio sanchez :-)
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Post by: 4pedz on May 20, 2008, 07:13:38 PM
Isa pa, most self-taught drummers never learn how to relax their grip and play from the wrist. Usually elbow yung gumagana with their wrist tightened up, even if the song calls for a softer feel.
ouch naman... self taught drumemr here... pero i use wrist, kasi yun ang sabi Dave Weckl sa instructional DVD niya e. Hindi lahat bro...
@ topic, napansin ko din sa mga international underground artist yan. kaya agree ako na malakas talaga pumalo mga pinoy.
Title: Re: Ang lalakas pumalo ng mga PINOY!! Let's settle the Issue.......
Post by: FINGERZAP on May 20, 2008, 07:48:35 PM
hehehe, forgiven... pero tama pa din sinabi mo, from 8years old hanggang sa maging 14 y/o ako, arms gamit ko pang swing, hindi wrist, nadevelop lang nung nag 15y/o ako,(kasi madame naririndi sa church) chka nakilala ko ang band na Dream Theater.. hihihihihihii tapos lage ko pinapanood yung instructional vidz ni Dad Portnoy. hehe tapos, napanood ko si Dave Weckl nung 19 y/o na ko, aun, mas umayos ako, hehehe
tips for the beginner drummers, maghanap po kau ng instructionals, kahit sinong artist, (but i recommend jazz, para mas matindi ang control sa wrist)
as of now, my progress report is, I'm studying how to play the sticks with my fingers only.. mahirap, hai
Title: Re: Ang lalakas pumalo ng mga PINOY!! Let's settle the Issue.......
Post by: FINGERZAP on May 20, 2008, 08:03:08 PM
Mahirap nga. I'm trying to learn Jojo Mayer's finger technique pero, haay, give up na yata ako!
wag ganun, habang may buhay, may nilaga... ay, pag asa pala, :-D :-D
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Post by: Tugpaktugpak on May 20, 2008, 08:25:19 PM
May mga nakita narin akong humataw ng sobrang lakas.....na halos tabon na ung ibang instrument....meron naman sobrang hina....cguro dapat talaga mag adjust talaga ung lakas ng palo dpende sa laki ng lugar.....kasi para sakin importante talaga ung pagtravel ng sound tska ung intensity nun eh tska para maappreciate din ung tunog ng ibang instruments tska balance ng tunog kaya importante talaga rin ung soundcheck pagtugtugan.....para sakin lang naman un
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Post by: skunkyfunk on May 21, 2008, 10:12:39 AM
Maybe the answer there is, "we live with 60's 'In-your-face' stage volume technology" so think about us as Mooney playing the drums.
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Post by: el Brutal on May 21, 2008, 10:33:03 AM
finger control? sa blasting ko natutunan un... ! i love playing loud.. and i am proud!
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Post by: skunkyfunk on May 21, 2008, 10:50:13 AM
Hanep bago mong avatar Solomon ah, pang 1,350 peso bill. :-D
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Post by: nikogulo on May 21, 2008, 11:31:50 AM
it feels good to play loud, but dynamics is important.
you must also look at the surroundings where you are playing. you can overplay a room. it wont sound good and it hurts...
:-D
Title: Re: Ang lalakas pumalo ng mga PINOY!! Let's settle the Issue.......
Post by: intake on May 21, 2008, 11:44:36 AM
There's a fine line between playing loudly and playing with force.
Personally, I don't want to generalize Pinoy drummers as loud drummers, compared to our foreign counterparts. I've seen a lot of foreigners who also tend to really bash their instruments. One example is Kenny Aronoff. I was at the Zildjian Day Manila drum clinic two years ago when he was the special guest, and so far I've never seen nor heard anyone play the drumkit as loud and as powerful as Mr. Aronoff. I meant no offense; I'm not labeling him as a "basher". But if you were present during that event, you'll probably understand. :-)
This is a very good topic to discuss, bro Sandy. :wink:
I was about to tell about manung Kenny, yan na pala :lol: dun sa clinic, i was about to label Kenny as a basher (no offense, he's still a tight drummer!) after he played his first song on the clinic..pero after a few more songs, bumagay na din.
Title: Re: Ang lalakas pumalo ng mga PINOY!! Let's settle the Issue.......
Post by: el Brutal on May 21, 2008, 12:02:00 PM
Hanep bago mong avatar Solomon ah, pang 1,350 peso bill. :-D
ahahaha!
Title: Re: Ang lalakas pumalo ng mga PINOY!! Let's settle the Issue.......
Post by: drumster on May 21, 2008, 12:05:48 PM
Other than Kenny Aronoff, there are many more examples... There's Travis Barker (I'm sure everybody here has seen his Soulja Boy Remix clip), Virgil Donati (yeah I think he's quite a hard hitter too; yet he plays with care and finesse), the late great John Bonham (who was said to be blacklisted on several clubs in England during his early playing days due to his high volume), Dave Grohl (especially during his Nirvana days), Neil Peart (during his younger, pre-Freddie Gruber days), Matt Sorum, Brad Wilk... I even saw footages of Vinnie Colaiuta really wailing on his cymbals. The list can go on and on.....
Yet, there's something common about the drummers I mentioned... They are aware of their dynamics, and they seem to know which is dynamically appropriate for the music they're playing. Even if their volume can go overboard at times, it's still going to be quality sound and performance.
Quality... Another very important factor we should be aware of.
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Post by: chengbang69 on May 21, 2008, 12:07:05 PM
fingers + wrist best combo para sa mahinang pag hampas
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Post by: intake on May 21, 2008, 12:25:10 PM
oh and i have to add...yung mga nasa gospel chops! di pa ba malakas yun?? :lol: naaalala ko dati nung natingin ako ng gear sa guitar center, may black kid dun na tumutugtog sa Yamaha manu katche kit, grabe ang lakas ang palo! ang tugtog niya nun gospel din, pinatigil na siya nung isang employee dun kahit na hindi pa nalagpas ng 5 mins. yung play time niya (may 5 minute limit dito eh)
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Post by: drumster on May 21, 2008, 02:22:00 PM
Bro intake, siguro kasing-lakas yon ng paghampas ng matabang bata sa avatar mo hehe! :-D
In that case, physical factors are involved. There are some drummers who seem to be too physical with their playing, it comes to a point where in it's not healthy anymore for the music, for the equipment, and most especially for our ears. Plus, playing too hard or too tensioned can more likely cause an injury, which may become a threat for us to discontinue drumming (scary thought).
We should keep in mind that we do not need to overdo ourselves by playing physically hard all the time. But if we want to sound louder, we shouldn't bash the drumkit. Instead, invest on equipment which are designed for high volume levels. And when we're in a live setting, let the mics and the sound system help us project our sound. Let our equipment help us do the work.
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Post by: el Brutal on May 21, 2008, 04:24:51 PM
si dennis chambers pa!
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Post by: 4pedz on May 21, 2008, 04:27:44 PM
pero may dynamics naman siya a? i mean, nilalakasan nya palo nya pag kelangan, yun nga lang, mahilig siya mag drums solo, may vid ako napanood, wala nagawa yung guitaris chka yung pianist, kasi ang tagal niya matapos, hehehe
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Post by: el Brutal on May 21, 2008, 05:55:01 PM
pero may dynamics naman siya a? i mean, nilalakasan nya palo nya pag kelangan, yun nga lang, mahilig siya mag drums solo, may vid ako napanood, wala nagawa yung guitaris chka yung pianist, kasi ang tagal niya matapos, hehehe
exactly! hahaha..
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Post by: nikogulo on May 21, 2008, 07:03:57 PM
Bro intake, siguro kasing-lakas yon ng paghampas ng matabang bata sa avatar mo hehe! :-D
In that case, physical factors are involved. There are some drummers who seem to be too physical with their playing, it comes to a point where in it's not healthy anymore for the music, for the equipment, and most especially for our ears. Plus, playing too hard or too tensioned can more likely cause an injury, which may become a threat for us to discontinue drumming (scary thought).
We should keep in mind that we do not need to overdo ourselves by playing physically hard all the time. But if we want to sound louder, we shouldn't bash the drumkit. Instead, invest on equipment which are designed for high volume levels. And when we're in a live setting, let the mics and the sound system help us project our sound. Let our equipment help us do the work.
before playing take time to stretch and warm up. your body will thank you for this and it will avoid injury. i confess i play loud, but I always take time to warm up and stretch. by the way if you have the MODERN DRUMMER Feb 1997 issue, Danny Carey yung cover, there's an article there "HOW TO PLAY LOUD"! Ive been reading this ever since and sharing the article with players who play loud...
:-D
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Post by: drummerboy827 on May 21, 2008, 09:36:52 PM
You mentioned that the bassist has played with VARIOUS artists. He could have gotten used to hearing and playing with such great foreign drummers with complete finesse and skill that not all drummers have.
Its normal to have that kind of reaction. In an unfamiliar environment, you criticize your surroundings. Baka nasanay na siya sa magagaling talaga, nanibago siya sa tunog ng mga pinoy.
Anyway, its really important to practice dynamics.
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Post by: abyssinianson on May 21, 2008, 11:29:49 PM
I got the Chance to play with the country's bass legend last Sunday. He's Mr Colby dela Calzada. He played with various artists like Kevin Lettau, Affinity and many others. Ngayon he said one thing that got my attention. Ang lalakas daw tumugtog ng mga drummer na pinoy. Kasi Drum is almost 100% acoustic instruments that depends on the room's acoustics so he's expecting the drummer should have his own "mixer". Mixer meaning he can adjust his volume. Reklamo daw kasi ng mga drummers pag humina sila eh nawawala yung feel. Actually yun ren reklamo ko if someone asks me to tone down. He also commented one time when TOTO guested in ABSCBN and heard the sessionist playing, Toto said "They're the loudest band we've ever heard".
So ito na lang, Are we too loud? And Foreign drummers are "laid back"? I need people who somehow watched/opened for/knew a foreign drummer.
Salamat!!
you don't need to hit the drums hard to be a good drummer. louder isn't necessarily better - the guy just happens to hit the same notes harder than other drummers. no big deal.
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Post by: toybitz on May 22, 2008, 04:02:06 AM
matt cameron doesn't just play loud, he hits hard.
napapatalon pa siya sa throne niya kapag magcracrash na and you can see his jaw contracting sa gigil! hahaha!
I wonder how he maintains his body. Hitting hard all the time has its setbacks like swollen muscles, large blisters, broken new cymbals and sticks and broken bones.
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Post by: intake on May 22, 2008, 01:52:19 PM
Bro intake, siguro kasing-lakas yon ng paghampas ng matabang bata sa avatar mo hehe! :-D
OT: naalala ko si lil' Nick Smith dun sa batang yun, hawig yung style nila! :lol: to add up, wala pa akong nakitang african american na tumugtog ng mahina sa guitar center..i guess yun ang trademark nila when it comes to playing the drums? or majority lang talaga sa mga african american drummers ganun ang style?
ninja edit!
mabibilang lang natin yung mga african american drummers na mahina tumugtog eh (i.e. yan si Steve Jordan, Jack Dejohnette, Tony Williams?)
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Post by: mondi99060451 on May 22, 2008, 03:43:36 PM
OT: naalala ko si lil' Nick Smith dun sa batang yun, hawig yung style nila! :lol: to add up, wala pa akong nakitang african american na tumugtog ng mahina sa guitar center..i guess yun ang trademark nila when it comes to playing the drums?
sama mo na jan yung groove ng mga african american drummers... kakaibang feel!
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Post by: bongraider on May 23, 2008, 03:08:20 PM
in general matindi talaga pumalo ang pinoy although based on experience lang kasi wala pa naman akong nakakabandang foreigner hahaha. our drummer is a loud mofo, he cant even hear my guitars even though im using a Marshall half stack about ten feet away from him. and its pointed straight at him!
tama talaga na may dynamics dapat, at hindi puro palo like theres no tomorrow. kung ganun, mag triggers ka nalang.
its ironic nga kasi dapat ang mga pinoy ang dapat mag tone down sa playing volume kasi di lahat nakakaaford ng amps and PAs and monitors that allow them to hear what is playing.
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Post by: 4pedz on May 23, 2008, 03:13:25 PM
in general matindi talaga pumalo ang pinoy although based on experience lang kasi wala pa naman akong nakakabandang foreigner hahaha. our drummer is a loud mofo, he cant even hear my guitars even though im using a Marshall half stack about ten feet away from him. and its pointed straight at him!
tama talaga na may dynamics dapat, at hindi puro palo like theres no tomorrow. kung ganun, mag triggers ka nalang.
its ironic nga kasi dapat ang mga pinoy ang dapat mag tone down sa playing volume kasi di lahat nakakaaford ng amps and PAs and monitors that allow them to hear what is playing.
bro, not only pinoy drummers, pati foreigners, basa ka po ng mga posts na nauna
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Post by: bongraider on May 23, 2008, 03:21:51 PM
like i said, i can never really vouch for the playing of foreigners coz ive never had a foreigner bandmate. but i have played with lots of pinoy drummers and ang generalization ko is that as far as those i have played with, medyo malakas talaga humatak. me iba na wala nang pacing so madaling napapagod kaya minsan rumarampa ang tempo. of course, di naman ako professional musician so POV ko lang to. tsaka how many times have i seen a drum kit being held in place by a fellow musician or band crew dito sa pinas samantalang di pa ko nakakita kahit sa indie gigs na may ganun sa iba.
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Post by: abyssinianson on May 24, 2008, 03:25:04 AM
There's a fine line between playing loudly and playing with force.
One good example I can think of is Benjie Mendez. Frankly, he has the tendency to play with loud volume. Yet, he knows how to hit things. He just doesn't bash on the drums and cymbals. I've observed that he knows how to get the most out of the instruments' sounds. He plays at the right spot, and he is very aware of his dynamics. He remains plays loudly only during the right moment. Yet, his playing musical.
I think the problem is when loudness becomes non-musical. Instead of music, it gets classified as noise.
I guess it also comes with experience. It also depends on the style of music. We should develop the ability to gauge our volume limits. Though I believe that we can still play softly without compromising the feel.
Personally, I don't want to generalize Pinoy drummers as loud drummers, compared to our foreign counterparts.
I agree!...check this out
feature=related I think this is one of the best example that a drummer needs to have. the laidback groove and the feel..bilib ako sa dynamics ni bagets dito...
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Post by: 4pedz on June 02, 2008, 05:19:35 PM
sigurado ba kayo na sa paluan lang malakas ang mga pinoy?
naughty side of the brain!
hahahahaha
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Post by: mondi99060451 on June 04, 2008, 08:10:54 AM
feature=related I think this is one of the best example that a drummer needs to have. the laidback groove and the feel..bilib ako sa dynamics ni bagets dito...
mismo! oi papa alan, absent lang ah... miss ka na naming lahat... [pichapie] na kami lahat...
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Post by: xalanx on June 04, 2008, 06:56:28 PM
ganda ng thread na to!...mismo nga yung palo na yun!....muztah bro? medyo busy lang ngayon kaya di makapagjam..bale next hopefully maayos na sked ko...kitakits!...
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Post by: intake on June 05, 2008, 03:29:19 PM
OT: sa dami nung vids ni pido nag subscribe nako dun sa nag upload! :lol: may iba pa siyang vid dun na kasama ibang banda..
yung ginawa niya sa City Love....shocker!!
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Post by: BirjandBOGGS on June 06, 2008, 09:31:19 PM
i remembered one article na inexplain ni steve smith yung"playing room", dapat daw drummers should adjust their playing depending sa lugar na tinutugtugan nila. ito nga yung dapat. kaya lang minsan ang hirap din sundin e lalo na pag wala ka sa condisyon. pero importante talaga and dynamics ang hindi ko lang alam sa rock kasi obsrevation ko mas malakas mas maganda sa rock eh. tingin ko lang yun... :-)
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Post by: batangdramista on June 08, 2008, 06:18:58 PM
hay.. hirap din pumalo ng malakas! magastos! hmm eto yung damage fee ko
one stick per song(ORWORST a pair) nakakapunit ng sarili kong cymbal nakabutas ng skins left tom bass drum at floor tom (WHAT A CAUSE OF DELAY YUNG GINAWA KO NA YUN)
hirap kase mag relax pag metal tugtugan andun yung rage at hate na navivisualize mo.. heres my list of my heaviest hitters (IN MY OPINON)
ROBERT DELA CRUZ MORGAN ROSE YUNG DRUMMER NG BANDANG PSYCHO DESTROYER sorry i dont know his name
Title: Re: Ang lalakas pumalo ng mga PINOY!! Let's settle the Issue.......
Post by: Darel on June 08, 2008, 09:32:29 PM
well sir same here.... kapag nasa mood kasi ako talagang ganado at malakas ako pumalo...kapag medyo antok,ayun mahina...lagi ngang nagrereklamo mga kasama ko kapag ensayo namin..khit sa mismong tugtog may comment pa rin...hehe....
ganun na nga talaga ata eh...hehe
Title: Re: Ang lalakas pumalo ng mga PINOY!! Let's settle the Issue.......
Post by: pyong_2 on June 13, 2008, 03:23:54 PM
I got the Chance to play with the country's bass legend last Sunday. He's Mr Colby dela Calzada. He played with various artists like Kevin Lettau, Affinity and many others. Ngayon he said one thing that got my attention. Ang lalakas daw tumugtog ng mga drummer na pinoy. Kasi Drum is almost 100% acoustic instruments that depends on the room's acoustics so he's expecting the drummer should have his own "mixer". Mixer meaning he can adjust his volume. Reklamo daw kasi ng mga drummers pag humina sila eh nawawala yung feel. Actually yun ren reklamo ko if someone asks me to tone down. He also commented one time when TOTO guested in ABSCBN and heard the sessionist playing, Toto said "They're the loudest band we've ever heard".
So ito na lang, Are we too loud? And Foreign drummers are "laid back"? I need people who somehow watched/opened for/knew a foreign drummer.
Salamat!!
Bro.nice topic, RESPECT to Senior/Calzada and to you bro.Sandy, sakin bro di ko mageneralized that pinoy are as loud compare to all the foreighners and black drummers that i watched sa TV, concerts and in person, and The Filipinos that i've watched like Sir Loyd drummer of KC and the Sunshine ngayon sa HK, lahat sila di powerful o malakas pumalo but the notes are there...Proud Filipino!!! Belated Happy Independence Day pala mga Bros. Sis.