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Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 04:39:14 PM
as per sir deltaslim's suggestion in the other thread. let's discuss everything acoustic in this thread. what's a good sounding acoustic for you? what shapes the tones of acoustic guitars eg. body type, wood type, strings, etc. and if anyone can post clips, that would be more than welcome. and what's the best recorded acoustic sound you've heard.

for me, i think i have "decent" acoustic guitars naman at the least. both dreadnoughts. i'll try to post clips of them pag naka-record ako, both acoustic and amplified.

for me the best recorded acoustic sound i've heard would be in john mayer's album, no room for squares.

nicest acoustic i've tried so far was the martin om-21 in tomlee hongkong.

my dream acoustic guitar is a martin om-28v, though i can settle for a blueridge br-263, hehe.

i have a jasmine s80s equipped with l.r. baggs ribbon transducer running through the l.r. baggs para acoustic d.i. and my other acoustic is a 1975 morris w-15.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on March 28, 2006, 04:53:16 PM
I'm not experienced enough to really get into a discussion like this, pero magpaparamdam lang ako sa thread ni kulas. Basta acoustic.  :mrgreen:
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on March 28, 2006, 05:11:44 PM
personally, i like acoustics that are made of mahogany with something like a Cedar or Spruce top. The tone sounds nice, deep with a long, warm solid decay with each chord. I really like the Alvarez Kazuo Yairi guitars and those have been my main guitars ever since I got a DY62c and a WY1. I might get a fusion series model down the line to backup my DY62c because it is my favorite guitar and it would suck if that went and I didn't have another that sounded like it. I tried Taylors before going with the Yairi but I never found a Taylor or Martin that I really loved. But lately, I've really liked the sounds of Santa Cruz, Breedlove, and Froggy Bottom Guitars. They sound a lot like my Yairi's and feel very solid in my hands. I have a very percussive right hand from playing solo a lot so a nice solid guitar is nice:)
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Poundcake on March 28, 2006, 05:34:08 PM
hehe i don't know much about acoustic guitars too... i'm only using a Yamaha APX-4A acoustic, a far cry from Martins, etc. the best acoustic guitar i've ever tried is a Taylor Presentation series guitar. grabe sa tone, grabe din yung price hehe :)
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: kaloyster on March 28, 2006, 05:46:40 PM
Room for Squares lang par kulas :)

yeah i really love that album. John Mayer is a skilled musician all in all.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: agentx44 on March 28, 2006, 06:08:40 PM
I'm still searching for that acoustic tone I want. I'm looking for that 70's folk-rocky tone reminiscent of James Taylor, Jim Croce and Don McLean. The kinda tone that puts you in the middle of a forest at the crack of dawn, when the air is so fresh it's almost like dewdrops at the back of your mouth.

I'd like to own a nice Martin D-28 and an OM model with the slotted peghead, oh yeah, and a D'Aquisto Teardrop guitar.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 06:14:58 PM
ako i like the spruce-rosewood combo in acoustics. i like a bright, punchy acoustic tone without sacrificing bass response. i also like the tone of the smaller bodied guitars kasi mas tight yung tunog nya. ironic nga kasi puro dreads guitars ko eh, hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: agentx44 on March 28, 2006, 06:27:52 PM
Ako naman mas preferred ko yung maganda ang bass response over yung brilliance nya Medyo delicate nga lang yung balance na hanap ko (still haven't found it)
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: 16track on March 28, 2006, 06:29:53 PM
Nice topic!

Since I'm old school, I have always loved the guitars done in the 60's and 70's when the piezo was still not employed and where old time engineers tried all they can get the most natural timbre of the guitar. Don't get me wrong, I love piezos as well as they do have clear advantages and I have an Ibanez AW100CE--which I enjoy using live or just by my lonesome self... but ...for the subject now...


Off the bat, I'd always look back and take a moment to listen to Paul Mcartney's solo guitar { I believe it was a D28 ??} recording of Blackbird-- accompanied only by a metronome or that old Epiphone acoustic he used for "Yesterday" --both for live and the record. Another one is Duane Allman and Eric Clapton playing duet slides on "Mean Old World".

Regards!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 06:30:53 PM
anyone here used brass bridgepins na? how are they? i'm looking to buy some.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: 16track on March 28, 2006, 06:41:03 PM
I have opted to change my standard issue Ibanez pins to the D'Andrea brass bridge pins-- a gift from one of my friends who frequent the Lazer shops. So far, I can only detect a slight increase in brightness-- but only slightly.

Other than that, the brass pins look real nice-- which was why I opted to use them.
Regards! :D



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anyone here used brass bridgepins na? how are they? i'm looking to buy some.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 06:50:18 PM
yeah nga eh, and sakto din sha sa gold tuners nung jasmine ko, hehe.

ok what other upgrades would you recommend? i've already had my saddle and nut made from bone, and i might go get the brass pins.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Al_Librero on March 28, 2006, 06:50:37 PM
interesting... do you think that "slight" increase in brightness with the use of brass pins be helpful enough to a cheap dreadnought size acoustic?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 07:01:52 PM
Quote from: Al_Librero
interesting... do you think that "slight" increase in brightness with the use of brass pins be helpful enough to a cheap dreadnought size acoustic?


well, i guess it should. correct me guys if i'm wrong, pero i think sa acoustic naman, kahit anong gawin mo sa kanya may slight effect eh. well, unless siguro strap pin lang yung nilagay mo, hehe. pero diba madaming factors contribute to the acoustic tone, like top wood, solid vs. laminate tops, back/sides wood, neck joint, bridge wood, bridge pegs, nuts and saddles, strings, bracing, etc. all of these things have their own effect to the overall tone of the acoustic. tama ba? sirs? ma'ams? hehe
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: 16track on March 28, 2006, 07:04:42 PM
Good Question!

I honestly can not say as I was able to A-B only my own guitar on a looong sunday with really nothing to do. I took the old pins out and then put the new ones in. Played it for a while to check the differences and then re-installed the old ones back-- did the same listening phase-- then put in the new ones again. In the end of that process, I decided on using the brass ones --more for aesthetics.







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interesting... do you think that "slight" increase in brightness can help a cheap dreadnought size acoustic?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: 16track on March 28, 2006, 07:07:42 PM
I have heard about the qualities of bone nuts and saddles. May I ask where you got yours? I really would like to try them out. Are they expensive?

Thanks!  :D

Quote from: kulas
yeah nga eh, and sakto din sha sa gold tuners nung jasmine ko, hehe.

ok what other upgrades would you recommend? i've already had my saddle and nut made from bone, and i might go get the brass pins.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 07:12:02 PM
arie makes bone nuts and saddles. ask him for the price nalang. not really expensive. ayoko lang magsabi ng price, hehe. ask him nalang. he'll custom fit the saddles and nuts. compensated saddles pa usually ang ginagawa nya. although i never really observed the changes in tone. pero all i know is, mas maganda, hehehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: 16track on March 28, 2006, 07:23:29 PM
Can we add "AGE" to that list?     :D

Personally, I have always preferred Martin Silk and Steel strings. A bit on the mellow side with a softer feel. My AW100CE came with Elixirs which were excellent but I can't seem to find stores that carry carry the brand.

What strings do you use for your Jasmine?

 

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Quote from: Al_Librero
interesting... do you think that "slight" increase in brightness with the use of brass pins be helpful enough to a cheap dreadnought size acoustic?


well, i guess it should. correct me guys if i'm wrong, pero i think sa acoustic naman, kahit anong gawin mo sa kanya may slight effect eh. well, unless siguro strap pin lang yung nilagay mo, hehe. pero diba madaming factors contribute to the acoustic tone, like top wood, solid vs. laminate tops, back/sides wood, neck joint, bridge wood, bridge pegs, nuts and saddles, strings, bracing, etc. all of these things have their own effect to the overall tone of the acoustic. tama ba? sirs? ma'ams? hehe
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on March 28, 2006, 08:12:08 PM
you're quick, kulas! nice thread. :-)

ang hinahanap kong ultimate acoustic tone narinig ko sa movie na Crossroads w/ Ralph Macchio (altho I prefer Britney over Karate Kid).   i'm referring to the guitar parts na hindi slide. grabe - ang linaw at lutong nung guitar. parang piano na nga e!  if you can grab a copy of the video pakinggan hanapin nyo yun (and then burn me a copy! ;-) )

i don't know the brand/model of the guitar they (arlen roth?) used but i've never heard in person an acoustic guitar sound like that. but i have not heard all the high end models except a taylor, martin, and a sta cruz so, i'm prollly just ignorant. :-)
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: greenweenie on March 28, 2006, 09:05:14 PM
A Maton 12-string's tone is so good for me. :)
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 10:23:40 PM
Quote from: 16track
Can we add "AGE" to that list?     :D

Personally, I have always preferred Martin Silk and Steel strings. A bit on the mellow side with a softer feel. My AW100CE came with Elixirs which were excellent but I can't seem to find stores that carry carry the brand.

What strings do you use for your Jasmine?


ah yes... age. that's if your acoustic is solid topped or all solid wood. malaking bagay yung age and pag-open ng wood. ang ganda ng tunog ng talagang well-broken in na acoustic.

strings? since i'm a cheapskate. i use fernando lights. hehehe 99 pesos a set! sulit na sulit! hehe
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 11:05:15 PM
Quote from: deltaslim
you're quick, kulas! nice thread. :-)

ang hinahanap kong ultimate acoustic tone narinig ko sa movie na Crossroads w/ Ralph Macchio (altho I prefer Britney over Karate Kid).   i'm referring to the guitar parts na hindi slide. grabe - ang linaw at lutong nung guitar. parang piano na nga e!  if you can grab a copy of the video pakinggan hanapin nyo yun (and then burn me a copy! ;-) )

i don't know the brand/model of the guitar they (arlen roth?) used but i've never heard in person an acoustic guitar sound like that. but i have not heard all the high end models except a taylor, martin, and a sta cruz so, i'm prollly just ignorant. :-)


ey, i'm downloading a copy of crossroads... i'll burn you a copy when this finishes... ok lang trade for the fralins? hehehe joke!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: pallas on March 28, 2006, 11:10:34 PM
pa copy naman pre o 8)
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 11:13:43 PM
diba you're not in the philippines? hehe. how can i be able to give you one? 7 hours till the download finishes. excited na ako manood, hehe. it's around 700+mb lang. divx, dvd rip.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 28, 2006, 11:16:53 PM
eto ang thread :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 28, 2006, 11:23:03 PM
Quote from: agentx44
I'm still searching for that acoustic tone I want. I'm looking for that 70's folk-rocky tone reminiscent of James Taylor, Jim Croce and Don McLean. The kinda tone that puts you in the middle of a forest at the crack of dawn, when the air is so fresh it's almost like dewdrops at the back of your mouth.

I'd like to own a nice Martin D-28 and an OM model with the slotted peghead, oh yeah, and a D'Aquisto Teardrop guitar.


I also like James taylors sound.... right now he is using olsons (expensive!!!)

Im not a fan of the new d28, bitin sa boom for a dread... ive had one, but sold it after 2mos... replaced it w/ a d41- laking bagay yun scalloped bracing lalo na kung forward shifted pa like the v,41 specials, 42 and 45 series....
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 11:23:20 PM
uy doc farseer, kumusta yung mga acoustic mo? the best talaga yung santa cruz mo eh, di ba medyo arched yung top nya?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 28, 2006, 11:25:34 PM
Quote from: kulas
anyone here used brass bridgepins na? how are they? i'm looking to buy some.


i had them on my old larrivee L05- di ko na feel yun difference from the stock pins...
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 28, 2006, 11:26:18 PM
Quote from: Al_Librero
interesting... do you think that "slight" increase in brightness with the use of brass pins be helpful enough to a cheap dreadnought size acoustic?


nope
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 11:28:38 PM
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anyone here used brass bridgepins na? how are they? i'm looking to buy some.


i had them on my old larrivee L05- di ko na feel yun difference from the stock pins...


ah talaga? hmmm... well siguro if not for the slightest improvement sa tone, siguro for aesthetics nalang, hehe.

how much benta mo sa d-28? nakakausap mo pa si sir glen angeles? diba may shenandoah d-35 sha? grabe gusto ko din sana yun eh, hehe. pero alam ko laminated back/sides ang mga shenandoah.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 28, 2006, 11:31:41 PM
Quote from: kulas
uy doc farseer, kumusta yung mga acoustic mo? the best talaga yung santa cruz mo eh, di ba medyo arched yung top nya?

nope, di arched yun... it has great balance... galing ng pagka voice, lightly built kaya feather weight, but i prefer the boominess and pressence of the martin d41 :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 28, 2006, 11:34:02 PM
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Quote from: kulas
anyone here used brass bridgepins na? how are they? i'm looking to buy some.


i had them on my old larrivee L05- di ko na feel yun difference from the stock pins...


ah talaga? hmmm... well siguro if not for the slightest improvement sa tone, siguro for aesthetics nalang, hehe.

how much benta mo sa d-28? nakakausap mo pa si sir glen angeles? diba may shenandoah d-35 sha? grabe gusto ko din sana yun eh, hehe. pero alam ko laminated back/sides ang mga shenandoah.


nabenta na yun shenandoah... its not a great guitar anyway, ok lang na pinalagpas mo yun.... mas bagay sa iyo mga 000 or om, pagipunan mo yun om28v....
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 11:34:41 PM
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uy doc farseer, kumusta yung mga acoustic mo? the best talaga yung santa cruz mo eh, di ba medyo arched yung top nya?


nope, di arched yun... it has great balance... galing ng pagka voice, not lightly built kaya feather weight, but i prefer the boominess and pressence of the martin d41 :D


ahh ok, yan yung nasa sounds good dati diba? i thought it was arched eh, maybe my eyes were playing tricks on me, hehe. hayy, how i'd love to own an all solid wood acoustic. kahit blueridge lang, hehe. iba talaga ang timbre ng solid wood eh, hehe. nabenta mo na yung 000-16 diba?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 11:38:27 PM
Quote from: farseer

nabenta na yun shenandoah... its not a great guitar anyway, ok lang na pinalagpas mo yun.... mas bagay sa iyo mga 000 or om, pagipunan mo yun om28v....


but it has quite a hefty price tag diba? hehe. om28v pa, kung om28 sa ishibashii i think is around 180k yen, pano pa yung om28v. hayy... hehe. kahit nga 000-15 ayos lang sakin eh, basta all solid.

i was able to try a guild 00-bodied acoustic, all mahogany. i forgot the model name eh, but it's a 1960's model. it belinged to a pastor in our church. i had arie repair its cracked bridge. nagustuhan ko din yung tunog nya eh, punchy, throaty sound. so i figured na ganon din tunog ng 15-series martins.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 28, 2006, 11:40:19 PM
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uy doc farseer, kumusta yung mga acoustic mo? the best talaga yung santa cruz mo eh, di ba medyo arched yung top nya?


nope, di arched yun... it has great balance... galing ng pagka voice, not lightly built kaya feather weight, but i prefer the boominess and pressence of the martin d41 :D


ahh ok, yan yung nasa sounds good dati diba? i thought it was arched eh, maybe my eyes were playing tricks on me, hehe. hayy, how i'd love to own an all solid wood acoustic. kahit blueridge lang, hehe. iba talaga ang timbre ng solid wood eh, hehe. nabenta mo na yung 000-16 diba?


the 00016 is gone... ok din yun kasi pre 94' so scalloped pa yun bracing tsaka naka dovetail pa... but for me mas bagay ang rosewood sa 000 at om, mas nagkaka depth yun tunog... sa dreads ganda ng mahogany- dream ko pa rin magka D18v- sana palarin, hehehe

ive tried some of the chinese made guilds- all solid, ganda ng finish- pero nabitin ako somewhat sa tunog... baka kelangan pang magopen, but seriously ive tried a lot of new guitars na maganda at malakas na tumunog  right out of the box  :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 28, 2006, 11:46:13 PM
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nabenta na yun shenandoah... its not a great guitar anyway, ok lang na pinalagpas mo yun.... mas bagay sa iyo mga 000 or om, pagipunan mo yun om28v....


but it has quite a hefty price tag diba? hehe. om28v pa, kung om28 sa ishibashii i think is around 180k yen, pano pa yung om28v. hayy... hehe. kahit nga 000-15 ayos lang sakin eh, basta all solid.

i was able to try a guild 00-bodied acoustic, all mahogany. i forgot the model name eh, but it's a 1960's model. it belinged to a pastor in our church. i had arie repair its cracked bridge. nagustuhan ko din yung tunog nya eh, punchy, throaty sound. so i figured na ganon din tunog ng 15-series martins.


180k is cheap for a new om28... pero pagiipunan ko yun v...

ive also had a 00015- masyadong matigas tumunog, but your right throaty nga...
best buy kung gusto  mo all solid w. sitka top is the 00015 custom- it can be had for about 700 bucks
I love my 1970 guild F50, grabe tumunog, beats the crap out of the gibson jumbos ive owned.... eto lang ang guild na nagustuhan ko so far, cept for their 12 string jumbos....
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 11:48:40 PM
ah talaga? how much do they go for? kung may all-solid acoustic ako i'll play the hell out of it, hehe. cheaper pa sa blueridge?

sayang di ko natry yung taylors sa may tomlee dati eh, merong american na sinolo nya yung room eh, locked himself in. pero ako sinolo ko yung martin room, hehe. then played around with the yamahas outside. ganda din yung fingerstyle guitar nila ah.

dati i went the way of ovations, hehe. na-attract ako sa bowl back nya. pero, no offense to ovation users, medyo na-plastic-an ako sa tunog nya, hehe. but amplified, medyo ok sila. i liked the resonance of wood better. i've owned around 4 ovations so far, an applause ae-28, an ovation celebrity cc057, ovation celebrity cc028 and an ovation celebrity deluxe cs257, i sold them all, hehe.

any ovation/applause users here? tell us your experiences.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: sonnyrayvaughn on March 28, 2006, 11:49:00 PM
my only acoustic guitar, an unknown brand called Vanderson..it was a spur of the moment purchase, in A-B-C ko sya against a Fender and a Takamine acoustic, and this won out...very very full sounding.

but but but, since i bought my variax.. yung acoustic models na lang ng variax ang ginagamit ko..full sounding and very convincing yung models nya IMHO, without the hard/heavy strings of a real acoustic.

im not much of an acoustic guitar fan...although i like acoustic music.. sometimes.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 11:50:35 PM
i think the 00015 custom is for sam ash lang diba? cheapest spruced top martin nga yun na all-solid. ganda yun pa-buff mo nalang yung satin finish nya para magka-gloss, hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 28, 2006, 11:52:48 PM
Quote from: kulas
ah talaga? how much do they go for? kung may all-solid acoustic ako i'll play the hell out of it, hehe. cheaper pa sa blueridge?

sayang di ko natry yung taylors sa may tomlee dati eh, merong american na sinolo nya yung room eh, locked himself in. pero ako sinolo ko yung martin room, hehe. then played around with the yamahas outside. ganda din yung fingerstyle guitar nila ah.

dati i went the way of ovations, hehe. na-attract ako sa bowl back nya. pero, no offense to ovation users, medyo na-plastic-an ako sa tunog nya, hehe. but amplified, medyo ok sila. i liked the resonance of wood better. i've owned around 4 ovations so far, an applause ae-28, an ovation celebrity cc057, ovation celebrity cc028 and an ovation celebrity deluxe cs257, i sold them all, hehe.

any ovation/applause users here? tell us your experiences.


ovations are not my type to, pero pag naka plug ok na din....
taylors in tomlees are expensive... the 5 and 6 series are my favorites
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 11:54:01 PM
Quote from: sonnyrayvaughn
my only acoustic guitar, an unknown brand called Vanderson..it was a spur of the moment purchase, in A-B-C ko sya against a Fender and a Takamine acoustic, and this won out...very very full sounding.

but but but, since i bought my variax.. yung acoustic models na lang ng variax ang ginagamit ko..full sounding and very convincing yung models nya IMHO, without the hard/heavy strings of a real acoustic.


is the variax acoustic modeller better than the acoustic mode of the parker fly? i haven't heard the variax eh, pero i've heard the parkers... and they come pretty close, hehehe.

@ farseer

yung isang guy sa church namin, naka taylor 7-series, i think it's a 714 with the fishman blend preamp. medyo matigas tumunog eh. musta naman taylor mo? what's the pickups of your taylor? fishman pa or naka expression system ka na?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 28, 2006, 11:54:11 PM
Quote from: kulas
i think the 00015 custom is for sam ash lang diba? cheapest spruced top martin nga yun na all-solid. ganda yun pa-buff mo nalang yung satin finish nya para magka-gloss, hehe.


di lang nga dovetail tsaka different type of bracing ang ginamit... but i think its worth ot or just get a 03 larrivee...
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 11:56:46 PM
sarap talaga pag-usapan ng acoustic, hehehe. para akong na-liberate, hehe. sunod sunod ang posts ko, hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 28, 2006, 11:58:20 PM
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@ farseer

yung isang guy sa church namin, naka taylor 7-series, i think it's a 714 with the fishman blend preamp. medyo matigas tumunog eh. musta naman taylor mo? what's the pickups of your taylor? fishman pa or naka expression system ka na?


my taylor is a 94' 912c w/ factory installed fishman....es system 03' lang nagstart...  ayus naman tunog niya not spectacular....

usually malambot nga tumunog mga taylors, bright and crisp... baka heavy ang gauge na ginamit niya :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 28, 2006, 11:59:55 PM
Quote from: kulas
sarap talaga pag-usapan ng acoustic, hehehe. para akong na-liberate, hehe. sunod sunod ang posts ko, hehe.


yup acoustics din fave ko, dami ko kasi experience dyan e... tsaka lespauls
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 12:03:59 AM
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@ farseer

yung isang guy sa church namin, naka taylor 7-series, i think it's a 714 with the fishman blend preamp. medyo matigas tumunog eh. musta naman taylor mo? what's the pickups of your taylor? fishman pa or naka expression system ka na?


my taylor is a 94' 912c w/ factory installed fishman....es system 03' lang nagstart...  ayus naman tunog niya not spectacular....

usually malambot nga tumunog mga taylors, bright and crisp... baka heavy ang gauge na ginamit niya :D


well his is a cedar topped guitar, rosewood back and sides, he uses elixir lights ata. maybe hindi lang ako sanay sa warmth ng cedar. and medyo hindi ko type ang cedar/rosewood combo. medyo parang too warm for me, hehehe. maganda siguro cedar paired with mahogany. wala lang in theory, the punch of mahogany plus the warmth of cedar... may ganyan ba?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 29, 2006, 12:08:44 AM
ive tried a no frills lowden w/ cedar/mahogany combo... grabe, lakas ng volume, rich overtones.... mahal nga lang
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: sonnyrayvaughn on March 29, 2006, 12:09:23 AM
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my only acoustic guitar, an unknown brand called Vanderson..it was a spur of the moment purchase, in A-B-C ko sya against a Fender and a Takamine acoustic, and this won out...very very full sounding.

but but but, since i bought my variax.. yung acoustic models na lang ng variax ang ginagamit ko..full sounding and very convincing yung models nya IMHO, without the hard/heavy strings of a real acoustic.


is the variax acoustic modeller better than the acoustic mode of the parker fly? i haven't heard the variax eh, pero i've heard the parkers... and they come pretty close, hehehe.

@ farseer

yung isang guy sa church namin, naka taylor 7-series, i think it's a 714 with the fishman blend preamp. medyo matigas tumunog eh. musta naman taylor mo? what's the pickups of your taylor? fishman pa or naka expression system ka na?


I will try to record some of it when I have time...except for the 12string models, im very impressed with variax's acoustic sims.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 12:11:20 AM
wow, that oughtta sound good, hehe. buti ka pa you get to try the high end stuff. eh dito the closest you can get to a martin eh yung sigma guitars ng jbmusic, hehehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 12:12:30 AM
ayt sonnyray, looking forward to your recordings.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 29, 2006, 12:15:59 AM
may sigma pa ba dito??? daming magandang acoustic pero martins pa rin ako.... but collings, froggy, huss and dalton, santacruz, lowden, lalo na goodall magaganda rin :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 12:18:10 AM
Quote from: farseer
may sigma pa ba dito??? daming magandang acoustic pero martins pa rin ako.... but collings, froggy, huss and dalton, santacruz, lowden, lalo na goodall magaganda rin :D


yup, jb got stocks ulit. wala eh, pinakamaganda na nila yung dm1st model. yun lang yung solid top eh.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: sonnyrayvaughn on March 29, 2006, 02:09:21 AM
Quote from: kulas
ayt sonnyray, looking forward to your recordings.


lakas ka sa kin.. i recorded 2 of my favorite acoustic models sa Variax...
let me know what you think of it... passable na ba ? recorded with no effects watsoever!
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=3709049&q=hi

http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=3709003&q=hi
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: af_villaruel on March 29, 2006, 04:09:13 AM
ive got two words for you.

PRE-WAR MARTIN.  :lol:
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 07:16:26 AM
Quote from: sonnyrayvaughn
Quote from: kulas
ayt sonnyray, looking forward to your recordings.


lakas ka sa kin.. i recorded 2 of my favorite acoustic models sa Variax...
let me know what you think of it... passable na ba ? recorded with no effects watsoever!
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=3709049&q=hi

http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=3709003&q=hi


ang tindi ng tunog ah, i can almost hear the top wood. better than the parker acoustic sound. yung parker kasi medyo sparkly acoustic yung tunog nya eh, and a little too much sustain for an acoustic. pero yan sakto ah. maniniwala na sana ako na acoustic sha if not for the bends eh, hehehe. can't do those bends in a real acoustic, hehe. pero grabe pala variax, malufeth! nice clips srv!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on March 29, 2006, 07:21:50 AM
i tried a goodall once....the price had me coughing - it was 3,ooo dollars! Good lord! I became more afraid to touch it after seeing the price.

Sonny, the variac sounds great! It has a great DI sound that you do a lot in the studio. Great work!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: 16track on March 29, 2006, 07:22:02 AM
Very nice!
 :D

Quote from: sonnyrayvaughn
Quote from: kulas
ayt sonnyray, looking forward to your recordings.


lakas ka sa kin.. i recorded 2 of my favorite acoustic models sa Variax...
let me know what you think of it... passable na ba ? recorded with no effects watsoever!
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=3709049&q=hi

http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=3709003&q=hi
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Phil on March 29, 2006, 07:30:08 AM
Quote from: sonnyrayvaughn
Quote from: kulas
ayt sonnyray, looking forward to your recordings.


lakas ka sa kin.. i recorded 2 of my favorite acoustic models sa Variax...
let me know what you think of it... passable na ba ? recorded with no effects watsoever!
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=3709049&q=hi

http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=3709003&q=hi


ganda ah...mas maganda pa sa acoustic simulator ng Behringer....galing mo pala Son ...mag acoustic...ako alam ko "Horse with no name lang". hehehe 8)I like both songs.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 10:11:09 AM
just downloaded the crossroads movie (not britney, hehe) ganda nga ng tunog nung acoustic nung si ralph macchio, crisp, full, punchy tone. with that tone feeling ko ang light nung body nung guitar na yun, probably a spruce/mahogany combo. ganda din nung showdown nila ni steve vai sa bandang dulo eh, hehe. ganda ng tele, pero ibang thread na yan, hehehe. anyway, who wants a copy?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 29, 2006, 10:23:23 AM
pwede na yun variax, mala taylor yun tone... ganda ng clips ni srv....
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 10:37:56 AM
what model variax is that? 700? 600? type ko yung variax 600 na sunburst with tortoise pickguard eh. ampogi. medyo hindi ko lang type yung korte nya, hehe.

guys, any feedback on the epiphone/gibson chet atkins SST? how is it?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Phil on March 29, 2006, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: kulas
just downloaded the crossroads movie (not britney, hehe) ganda nga ng tunog nung acoustic nung si ralph macchio, crisp, full, punchy tone. with that tone feeling ko ang light nung body nung guitar na yun, probably a spruce/mahogany combo. ganda din nung showdown nila ni steve vai sa bandang dulo eh, hehe. ganda ng tele, pero ibang thread na yan, hehehe. anyway, who wants a copy?
deltaslim wants one.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on March 29, 2006, 11:46:49 AM
si kulas bago avatar,, naks.. ampogi! nyaha!  :lol:
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: sonnyrayvaughn on March 29, 2006, 04:45:17 PM
Quote from: farseer
pwede na yun variax, mala taylor yun tone... ganda ng clips ni srv....


thanks guys for checking it out.

yung mga gears mo sir Farseer, mouth-watering kaya eto hanggang sa modelling na lang ako hehe.

yung dalawang models na ginamit ko e yung:

Based on 1959 Martin D-28
Based on 1995 Gibson J-200

Kulas, its the variax 600, sunburst ang kulay as you have described.

thanks abyss and 16.

preng phil, horse with no name...that was my first song! eto pa isang magandang acoustic song na madali, 2 chords lang din, yung I dont wanna wait in vain ni marley na ni-remake ni annie lennox...

sensya na ginulo ko yung thread. pero I agree, iba pa rin yung feel nung wide-bodied acoustic guitar...and wala pa rin tatalo sa value na dala nito during inuman sessions hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: bunny rabbit on March 29, 2006, 05:08:48 PM
ano magandang entry level acoustic na available dito? nagstart kasi ako sa nylon, tapos electric. gusto ko lang sana ng matinong acoustic. hehe :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on March 29, 2006, 05:10:57 PM
oscar schimdt is good as an entry level acoustic guitar..

some people here have one.. you can PM them for advice..
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Alchemist0725 on March 29, 2006, 05:12:43 PM
guys, have you ever tried Montana guitars from JB? can i get good sounds from there? actually i tested it, ok naman tunog... pero pagsinaksak na sa amp sobrang nipis ng tunog! maganda pa tunog ng ampsim ng G2. im looking for a cheapo-but-good sounding acoustic sana? any suggestions guys? how about Oscar Schimdt by Washburn? Rockstar? or Applause? mejo ignorant ako pagdating sa acoustics eh. hehe! thanks!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on March 29, 2006, 09:12:42 PM
Quote from: kulas
just downloaded the crossroads movie (not britney, hehe) ganda nga ng tunog nung acoustic nung si ralph macchio, crisp, full, punchy tone. with that tone feeling ko ang light nung body nung guitar na yun, probably a spruce/mahogany combo. ganda din nung showdown nila ni steve vai sa bandang dulo eh, hehe. ganda ng tele, pero ibang thread na yan, hehehe. anyway, who wants a copy?


ME ME ME!!!  tagal ko na hinahanap yan. HS pa ako nung una at huli ko napanood yan.

kelan at saan pwede magabutan or pick-up?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 09:20:26 PM
sure ka you're willing to wait till that time? hehe. we can arrange to meet nalang. gusto nyo punta tayo lahat sa bahay ni arie, hehehe. nang magka--alaman narin tungkol sa diezel amp na yan, hehe. ooops, wrong thread ata, hehehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on March 29, 2006, 09:22:39 PM
Quote from: john_petrucci0725
guys, have you ever tried Montana guitars from JB? can i get good sounds from there? actually i tested it, ok naman tunog... pero pagsinaksak na sa amp sobrang nipis ng tunog! maganda pa tunog ng ampsim ng G2. im looking for a cheapo-but-good sounding acoustic sana? any suggestions guys? how about Oscar Schimdt by Washburn? Rockstar? or Applause? mejo ignorant ako pagdating sa acoustics eh. hehe! thanks!



bro and akowstik guitar ko Ibanez AEL ang model....oks ang tunog, ganda buong buo... pde mo try sa audiophile.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on March 29, 2006, 09:26:31 PM
Quote from: kulas
just downloaded the crossroads movie (not britney, hehe) ganda nga ng tunog nung acoustic nung si ralph macchio, crisp, full, punchy tone. with that tone feeling ko ang light nung body nung guitar na yun, probably a spruce/mahogany combo. ganda din nung showdown nila ni steve vai sa bandang dulo eh, hehe. ganda ng tele, pero ibang thread na yan, hehehe. anyway, who wants a copy?



wooooooowwww meron ka nun??? mis ko na yang movie na yan! tagal ko na rin hinahanap yan sa mga nagbebenta ng DIBIDI...DIBIDI...DIBIDI...
penge po ng copy? magkano?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 09:40:07 PM
hmmm, oks lang bro. i'm open for trade with dvd concerts, hehe. kung gusto nyo, pwede nyo kunin sakin sa GMA, hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on March 29, 2006, 09:56:26 PM
cge pre daanan ko bukas...between 10 to 3 lang ako pde...coding e...ano gusto mo concert??? trade tayo!..
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 10:01:40 PM
what have you got to offer bro? hehehe
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on March 29, 2006, 10:16:28 PM
meron ako CROSSROADS FESTIVAL...baka meron ka n rin nun e...ano ba gusto mo?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 10:54:30 PM
meron na ako nun eh dude. ano pa? hehe
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on March 29, 2006, 11:20:40 PM
lahat ata ng mga concerts meron kana e...bilhin ko na lang yan! hehehe plsssss
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 11:24:32 PM
pagmamahal pre? hehehe oks lang. you did me a favor, i'll do you a favor. basta text moko pag papunta ka na. 0916-4884576. thanks dude!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 11:51:35 PM
mga brods, i'm having trouble burning the DVD, i dunno what's the problem with my burner. will message tomorrow kung ayos na, i'll try to burn it in the office. thanks guys!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: lykenhowl on March 30, 2006, 12:58:57 AM
Quote from: kulas
mga brods, i'm having trouble burning the DVD, i dunno what's the problem with my burner. will message tomorrow kung ayos na, i'll try to burn it in the office. thanks guys!


Pwede bang upload mo na lang sa Megaupload tapos download namin from there? :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 30, 2006, 12:59:57 AM
it's around 700mb eh. how do i upload there? do i need to have an account?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: lykenhowl on March 30, 2006, 01:03:11 AM
Quote from: kulas
it's around 700mb eh. how do i upload there? do i need to have an account?



AAAAAAAAACCCCKKKKKK!!!!!! Masyadong malaki, yup kelangan mo ng account pero libre naman eh.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 30, 2006, 01:50:01 AM
maybe i can burn it as a file nalang, divx avi sha eh. download nalang kayo ng divx player, hehehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: kawal on March 30, 2006, 07:59:10 AM
top, back and side material + saddle & nut material + bridge stability + neck angle and material + strings + action & intonation = guitar tone

get a Martin 000-42ECB, E.C. brazilian rosewood. malalaman siguro natin kung anong ibig sabihin ng true acoustic tone. hehe.. :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Alchemist0725 on March 30, 2006, 08:10:27 AM
Quote from: hordex
Quote from: john_petrucci0725
guys, have you ever tried Montana guitars from JB? can i get good sounds from there? actually i tested it, ok naman tunog... pero pagsinaksak na sa amp sobrang nipis ng tunog! maganda pa tunog ng ampsim ng G2. im looking for a cheapo-but-good sounding acoustic sana? any suggestions guys? how about Oscar Schimdt by Washburn? Rockstar? or Applause? mejo ignorant ako pagdating sa acoustics eh. hehe! thanks!



bro and akowstik guitar ko Ibanez AEL ang model....oks ang tunog, ganda buong buo... pde mo try sa audiophile.


how much for that baby pareng Hordex? :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on March 30, 2006, 08:32:16 AM
nabili ko lang ng 13+ dati....ngayon ata 14 na...pero ganda yung bago nila model may build in tuner na at 2 na yung port ng guitar cable ( yung isa parang port sa mic...ano na nga ba tawag dun??? )

sayang nga e old model nabili ko....swap ko ayaw nila..hehehehe...pero oks lang parehas lang ng tunog! may built in tuner lang uyng bago.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on March 30, 2006, 09:34:50 AM
Quote from: hordex
nabili ko lang ng 13+ dati....ngayon ata 14 na...pero ganda yung bago nila model may build in tuner na at 2 na yung port ng guitar cable ( yung isa parang port sa mic...ano na nga ba tawag dun??? )

sayang nga e old model nabili ko....swap ko ayaw nila..hehehehe...pero oks lang parehas lang ng tunog! may built in tuner lang uyng bago.


XLR ata tawag dun..
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Alchemist0725 on March 30, 2006, 11:30:07 AM
Quote from: hordex
nabili ko lang ng 13+ dati....ngayon ata 14 na...pero ganda yung bago nila model may build in tuner na at 2 na yung port ng guitar cable ( yung isa parang port sa mic...ano na nga ba tawag dun??? )

sayang nga e old model nabili ko....swap ko ayaw nila..hehehehe...pero oks lang parehas lang ng tunog! may built in tuner lang uyng bago.


tingin ako nya sa stage point & raon... bka meron! 10k lang budget ko eh...

@progressive: ok din ung dala mong Rockstar acoustic ah....  magkano un? :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on March 30, 2006, 11:56:40 AM
Quote from: john_petrucci0725
Quote from: hordex
nabili ko lang ng 13+ dati....ngayon ata 14 na...pero ganda yung bago nila model may build in tuner na at 2 na yung port ng guitar cable ( yung isa parang port sa mic...ano na nga ba tawag dun??? )

sayang nga e old model nabili ko....swap ko ayaw nila..hehehehe...pero oks lang parehas lang ng tunog! may built in tuner lang uyng bago.


tingin ako nya sa stage point & raon... bka meron! 10k lang budget ko eh...

@progressive: ok din ung dala mong Rockstar acoustic ah....  magkano un? :D



dude, yung dala ko that was a FERNANDO, nakuha ko ng 4000php, sa SAlonga sa cubao, nakasale kasi last item, pero pag hindi sale, 5000php,
ok, din ang tunog for a low budget guitar,, pero yung ibanez pa rin talaga gusto ko, yung tulad kay hordex..
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 30, 2006, 01:06:58 PM
i used to own an ibanez acoustic din, an aeg10, thin body acoustic/electric.

@ hordex - sayang pre hindi ko din inabutan yung upgrade nila sa preamps eh, nakuha ko yung lumang model pa nung ibanez na thinline.

@ progressive_pilipinas - oks naman yung acoustic mo pre eh. medyo matalim lang yung tunog, konting adjust lang sa EQ yan at ayos na.

minsan acoustic jam naman tayo, hehe. anyone up for it? sked natin one time.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 30, 2006, 01:17:04 PM
Quote from: kawal
top, back and side material + saddle & nut material + bridge stability + neck angle and material + strings + action & intonation = guitar tone

get a Martin 000-42ECB, E.C. brazilian rosewood. malalaman siguro natin kung anong ibig sabihin ng true acoustic tone. hehe.. :D


sa akin its a pre war martin... or the newer marquis or golden era series D28  up :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 30, 2006, 01:18:32 PM
Quote from: sonnyrayvaughn
Quote from: farseer
pwede na yun variax, mala taylor yun tone... ganda ng clips ni srv....


thanks guys for checking it out.

yung mga gears mo sir Farseer, mouth-watering kaya eto hanggang sa modelling na lang ako hehe.



ill trade them for better chops :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 30, 2006, 01:21:36 PM
Quote from: bunny rabbit
ano magandang entry level acoustic na available dito? nagstart kasi ako sa nylon, tapos electric. gusto ko lang sana ng matinong acoustic. hehe :D


chek out the old yamahas, morris, catseye- mga japanese copies.... you can get one under 10k, look for 1 w/ solid top...

pag plugged naman,  get an ibanez nalang.... upgrade pag nagsawa or nakaipon ka na :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 30, 2006, 01:28:05 PM
Quote from: farseer
Quote from: bunny rabbit
ano magandang entry level acoustic na available dito? nagstart kasi ako sa nylon, tapos electric. gusto ko lang sana ng matinong acoustic. hehe :D


chek out the old yamahas, morris, catseye- mga japanese copies.... you can get one under 10k, look for 1 w/ solid top...

pag plugged naman,  get an ibanez nalang.... upgrade pag nagsawa or nakaipon ka na :D


yup, madaming morris na nagkalat jan around 5-10k lang. yung sakin, it's a 1975 w-15 model dreadnought. i don't think it's solid top pero maganda parin tunog nya, halos pareho sila nung jasmine ko na solid top. sa buyandsellph.com may nakita ako mga morris. go grab one now! hehe
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on March 30, 2006, 02:54:56 PM
Quote from: kulas
i used to own an ibanez acoustic din, an aeg10, thin body acoustic/electric.

@ hordex - sayang pre hindi ko din inabutan yung upgrade nila sa preamps eh, nakuha ko yung lumang model pa nung ibanez na thinline.

@ progressive_pilipinas - oks naman yung acoustic mo pre eh. medyo matalim lang yung tunog, konting adjust lang sa EQ yan at ayos na.

minsan acoustic jam naman tayo, hehe. anyone up for it? sked natin one time.


oo, dude, light talaga ako magtimpla,, matalas nga hehe,, sige sa susunod na jam natin mejo, bibilugin ko,,  :lol:
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on March 30, 2006, 11:04:43 PM
Quote from: kulas
i used to own an ibanez acoustic din, an aeg10, thin body acoustic/electric.

@ hordex - sayang pre hindi ko din inabutan yung upgrade nila sa preamps eh, nakuha ko yung lumang model pa nung ibanez na thinline.

@ progressive_pilipinas - oks naman yung acoustic mo pre eh. medyo matalim lang yung tunog, konting adjust lang sa EQ yan at ayos na.

minsan acoustic jam naman tayo, hehe. anyone up for it? sked natin one time.


call ako dyan....meron akong cajon....AKOWSTIK JAM NA!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Alchemist0725 on March 31, 2006, 08:06:24 AM
@ progressive: hehe! Fernando pala... ano nga pla nasaisip bat rockstar ung naitype ko hehe! nways, pahiram na rin ng acoustic pag may acustic jam! hehe!  :lol:
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on March 31, 2006, 09:41:54 AM
If anyone's looking for a Seagull or Art & Lutherie acoustic guitar..
Head over to PP North Edsa. Just saw it yesterday.

*For those who remember that discussion in Yupangco forum, andun yung magandang babae na naka-Line 6 tshirt  :lol:
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on March 31, 2006, 03:32:17 PM
Quote from: Red_Strat
If anyone's looking for a Seagull or Art & Lutherie acoustic guitar..
Head over to PP North Edsa. Just saw it yesterday.

*For those who remember that discussion in Yupangco forum, andun yung magandang babae na naka-Line 6 tshirt  :lol:


talaga? eh baka naman ginamitan din ng 'modelling technology' ang mga bumpers nila??! ;-)
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on April 01, 2006, 08:32:13 PM
Possibly.. :lol:
I wasn't able to look at her long enough (nakakahiya naman), & one of the guys at the store (salesman) was having his afternoon fun with a guitar. He was playing this riff that just stuck in my head - at least for that whole day.
It reminded me of sir mark villar's "Aroused"  :D

(OT na - sorry kulas)
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 01, 2006, 08:43:21 PM
re: seagull and art & lutherie guitars. pareho sila ng makers, pati yung godin guitars. puro made in quebec, canada yung mga yun. maganda naman ang tunog ng seagull, kaya lang mashadong limited lang ang models na meron sila dito, mostly the dreadnought or folk sized ones at mostly cedar tops pa. pero solid cedar naman ang tops nila and laminated cherry back and sides. maganda tunog, kinda dry though. hindi lang ako masanay sa malapad na fingerboard nya. almost like a classical guitar. maganda sana yung parlor guitar nila, sana magka-ganon dito na steel strings... solid yun, hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on April 01, 2006, 08:47:05 PM
Quote from: kulas
pagmamahal pre? hehehe oks lang. you did me a favor, i'll do you a favor. basta text moko pag papunta ka na. 0916-4884576. thanks dude!



bro salamat ulit!!!! di nako nakatiis..pinanood ko agad pag dating ko...kahit late na...hehehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 01, 2006, 08:48:34 PM
eto question for you guys...

what's the best non-high end acoustic you've tried? or rephrase nalang, the best "asian-made" or non-us made acoustic guitar you've tried.

ako so far, i like the sounds of my acoustics, the jasmine and the morris. maganda naman ang balance nya sa highs and lows. bright highs, and deep bass, dreadnoughts kasi eh. compared dun sa dati kong thinline ibanez aeg-10, medyo manipis tunog. however, i saw an ibanez artwood series na 000-bodied that i really liked. since artwood sha malamang solid top yun, ganda ng porma, spruce top, laminate walnut (yata) back and sides, gold tuners and tortoise pickguard. saya sana bilhin yun kaya lang walang cash. 14k sha last time i saw it in alimall. ganda ng tunog, and it's bound to get better pa.

kayo naman magshare... hehe
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Robotgoogle on April 02, 2006, 09:14:12 AM
Got under my care a Martin D35. I dont hear much good praise about since a lot of people talks about the D18, 28 or 41 but for me this is the true acoustic tone.

I installed a K&K Pure Western pickup  runs through a K&K XLR preamp and to the PA.

I am currently using John Pearse Mediums now for test driving but I have been using Elixirs Phosphor Bronze Lights. I like the feel and the life of Elixirs but the light gauge is too slinky for me. Gusto ko yung lumalaban ang guitar kaya I would definitely trade this Elixir Lights to Medium.

So far wala pa naman nakakatalo sa tunog nito excepts for (naglalaway) yung Santa Cruz na nahawakan ko.. pero wow naman sa presyo P217K ang presyo so hanggang pangarap na lang muna.

The Blueridge Gospel Model also caught my ear. Maganda ang Blueridge ganda feel ng neck, lakas ng tunog, clear ang notes. Baka BR ang bilhin ko pangharabas.

Yung Taylor naman....hmmm yung low ends nila I was not impressed...medyo manipis yun sound nya e. yung pinakamatino nga na close to a Martin ang sound is....400 series or 700 series.

Sa low ends....Takamine na ang pinaka ok sakin...ovation manipis (unplugged).

So far Martin at Santa Cruz pa lang ang nagpapalaway sakin.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on April 02, 2006, 09:17:24 AM
hmm.. lagi ko naririnig yung low end at high end.. ano ba yung mga yun?! :lol:
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 02, 2006, 11:42:44 AM
The yamahas form the mid 70s and 80s maayos tumunog, definitely better than the seagulls.... even tried the more than 50k+ seagull w/ solid sitka and maple back and sides pati yun mga artist models...

but pag gusto mo talaga ng pure acoustic tone- unplugged... imho, you have to spend some money talaga... atleast a 03 larrivee' or a 15 custom series na martin....
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 02, 2006, 11:46:35 AM
Quote from: Robotgoogle
Got under my care a Martin D35. I dont hear much good praise about since a lot of people talks about the D18, 28 or 41 but for me this is the true acoustic tone.

I installed a K&K Pure Western pickup  runs through a K&K XLR preamp and to the PA.

I am currently using John Pearse Mediums now for test driving but I have been using Elixirs Phosphor Bronze Lights. I like the feel and the life of Elixirs but the light gauge is too slinky for me. Gusto ko yung lumalaban ang guitar kaya I would definitely trade this Elixir Lights to Medium.

So far wala pa naman nakakatalo sa tunog nito excepts for (naglalaway) yung Santa Cruz na nahawakan ko.. pero wow naman sa presyo P217K ang presyo so hanggang pangarap na lang muna.

The Blueridge Gospel Model also caught my ear. Maganda ang Blueridge ganda feel ng neck, lakas ng tunog, clear ang notes. Baka BR ang bilhin ko pangharabas.

Yung Taylor naman....hmmm yung low ends nila I was not impressed...medyo manipis yun sound nya e. yung pinakamatino nga na close to a Martin ang sound is....400 series or 700 series.

Sa low ends....Takamine na ang pinaka ok sakin...ovation manipis (unplugged).

So far Martin at Santa Cruz pa lang ang nagpapalaway sakin.


What santacruz did you try???  sa taylors experiece ko, consistent na maayos ang mga guitars nila even sa 1 and  2 series...  pero walang wow factor cept for the 5 and 6 series... iba kasi voicing ng taylor :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on April 02, 2006, 03:03:33 PM
sana magkaroon tayo ng acoustic tone party. host si farseer, produced by kulas (tnx nga pala sa dvd!) :-)

very elusive kasi ang perfect acoustic tone.  and dahil sa high prices, and lack of soundclips, it's hard to really have an idea of what's out there. i wonder how much better the high end acoustics are and whether pwede na yung mas mura.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on April 02, 2006, 03:05:44 PM
Quote from: deltaslim
sana magkaroon tayo ng acoustic tone party. host si farseer, produced by kulas (tnx nga pala sa dvd!) :-)

very elusive kasi ang perfect acoustic tone.  and dahil sa high prices, and lack of soundclips, it's hard to really have an idea of what's out there. i wonder how much better the high end acoustics are and whether pwede na yung mas mura.


speaking of acoustic tone party? jam ba ito? haha! game kelan? set agad ng date!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 02, 2006, 05:59:00 PM
acoustic tone party... sounds good! saan kaya maganda ang venue? maganda kung maganda yung "acoustics" nung place, para talagang feel na feel natin yung vibe from the acoustics. yung definition ko (for myself of course) of a good aocustic guitar is one which can make you feel its vibrations as you play it. yung tipong mayayanig ka habang tumutugtog. yung you don't hear its sound but instead, you feel it, hehehe. sarap nun!

re: d-35, i've always wanted a d-35 kasi ganon yung gitara ni dave matthews dati, hehe. pero ngayon mas gusto ko na yung om/000 sizes.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Robotgoogle on April 02, 2006, 11:47:59 PM
Quote from: kulas
acoustic tone party... sounds good! saan kaya maganda ang venue? maganda kung maganda yung "acoustics" nung place, para talagang feel na feel natin yung vibe from the acoustics. yung definition ko (for myself of course) of a good aocustic guitar is one which can make you feel its vibrations as you play it. yung tipong mayayanig ka habang tumutugtog. yung you don't hear its sound but instead, you feel it, hehehe. sarap nun!

re: d-35, i've always wanted a d-35 kasi ganon yung gitara ni dave matthews dati, hehe. pero ngayon mas gusto ko na yung om/000 sizes.


ha ha ha..parang nakadinig na ako nyan ganyan tunog.

Nung nilabas nung shop na pinuntahan yung santa cruz model na worth almost a million pesos (P992K) nadinig ko na ng talagang malupit na tunog.

Partida open strings pa lang yun. I did not even bother to touch it.

I did not remember what model or even did not made the effort to knoww it since these kinds of guitars just dont exist to me...price wise. (Maybe if im filthy rich!)

Alam ko lang Santa Cruz, Brazilian Rosewood, NAMM quality...at sandamakmak ang inlays.

So far my Martin D35 helps me make through the day...
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Robotgoogle on April 02, 2006, 11:53:07 PM
Quote from: farseer
Quote from: Robotgoogle
Got under my care a Martin D35. I dont hear much good praise about since a lot of people talks about the D18, 28 or 41 but for me this is the true acoustic tone.

I installed a K&K Pure Western pickup  runs through a K&K XLR preamp and to the PA.

I am currently using John Pearse Mediums now for test driving but I have been using Elixirs Phosphor Bronze Lights. I like the feel and the life of Elixirs but the light gauge is too slinky for me. Gusto ko yung lumalaban ang guitar kaya I would definitely trade this Elixir Lights to Medium.

So far wala pa naman nakakatalo sa tunog nito excepts for (naglalaway) yung Santa Cruz na nahawakan ko.. pero wow naman sa presyo P217K ang presyo so hanggang pangarap na lang muna.

The Blueridge Gospel Model also caught my ear. Maganda ang Blueridge ganda feel ng neck, lakas ng tunog, clear ang notes. Baka BR ang bilhin ko pangharabas.

Yung Taylor naman....hmmm yung low ends nila I was not impressed...medyo manipis yun sound nya e. yung pinakamatino nga na close to a Martin ang sound is....400 series or 700 series.

Sa low ends....Takamine na ang pinaka ok sakin...ovation manipis (unplugged).

So far Martin at Santa Cruz pa lang ang nagpapalaway sakin.


What santacruz did you try???  sa taylors experiece ko, consistent na maayos ang mga guitars nila even sa 1 and  2 series...  pero walang wow factor cept for the 5 and 6 series... iba kasi voicing ng taylor :D


yun cguro hinahanap ko...yung wow factor kaso wala talaga e.... parang takamine lang ang sound e.

nahanap ko ang wow sa sound ng Martin. Parang piano ang dating sakin nitong D35 na ito e nung unang nadinig ko. nanginginig pa ako nung binili ko..

imagine ang unang guitar ko lumanog ovation copy tapos after a couple of years...nakaMartin.  :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Robotgoogle on April 02, 2006, 11:57:49 PM
Quote from: progressive_pilipinas
hmm.. lagi ko naririnig yung low end at high end.. ano ba yung mga yun?! :lol:


ako basehan ko price e...

for acoustics>

super low ends - lumanog
low ends sakin - takamines, yamaha, ibanez
high - martin, maton, seagulls, taylor
super high - santa cruz, olsen,

actually rough description to dahil me mga low ends na
mahal. me mga high ends na mura.

at yung super high mapapamura ka.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 03, 2006, 08:06:49 AM
ako ang hierarchy ko ng presyo, hehe.

note: brand new price eto ah, hehe.

below 10k guitars - low end
above 10k guitars - 30k guitars - mid end
above 30k guitars - 100k guitars - high end
above 100k guitars to infinity - super high end

ako i'm not a fan of overly-inlaid acoustics. ok na sakin yung inlaid binding, inlaid rosette and fretboard inlays, hehe. basta abalone, ganda ng abalone eh. di ko na type yung mga mala-d50 or d100 inlays, hehe.

ako mga pangarap kong acoustics (pangarap lang kasi malabo ako makabili nito, hehe):

pag martin: om-28v, 000-28, d-28, d-35, 000-18v
santa cruz: om prewar

actually ang nagustuhan ko sa santa cruz eh yung no-frills design nila, lalo na yung mga prewar. pero anlupet ng tunog.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 03, 2006, 11:34:54 AM
Quote from: Robotgoogle
Quote from: kulas
acoustic tone party... sounds good! saan kaya maganda ang venue? maganda kung maganda yung "acoustics" nung place, para talagang feel na feel natin yung vibe from the acoustics. yung definition ko (for myself of course) of a good aocustic guitar is one which can make you feel its vibrations as you play it. yung tipong mayayanig ka habang tumutugtog. yung you don't hear its sound but instead, you feel it, hehehe. sarap nun!

re: d-35, i've always wanted a d-35 kasi ganon yung gitara ni dave matthews dati, hehe. pero ngayon mas gusto ko na yung om/000 sizes.


ha ha ha..parang nakadinig na ako nyan ganyan tunog.

Nung nilabas nung shop na pinuntahan yung santa cruz model na worth almost a million pesos (P992K) nadinig ko na ng talagang malupit na tunog.

Partida open strings pa lang yun. I did not even bother to touch it.

I did not remember what model or even did not made the effort to knoww it since these kinds of guitars just dont exist to me...price wise. (Maybe if im filthy rich!)

Alam ko lang Santa Cruz, Brazilian Rosewood, NAMM quality...at sandamakmak ang inlays.

So far my Martin D35 helps me make through the day...


well thats an expensive santacruz... the inlays wont help in the tone department... try the prewar models- cheapaest yan kasi no frills- killer tone....
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 03, 2006, 11:37:05 AM
Low end: 300 bucks below
High end: 2000 bucks up
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 03, 2006, 11:42:15 AM
Quote from: Robotgoogle
Quote from: progressive_pilipinas
hmm.. lagi ko naririnig yung low end at high end.. ano ba yung mga yun?! :lol:


ako basehan ko price e...

for acoustics>

super low ends - lumanog
low ends sakin - takamines, yamaha, ibanez
high - martin, maton, seagulls, taylor
super high - santa cruz, olsen,

actually rough description to dahil me mga low ends na
mahal. me mga high ends na mura.

at yung super high mapapamura ka.


mahirap mag base sa brands... for example there are yamahas above 2k in their current production line, same goes w/ takamine.... on the other hand may murang taylor (110) and matons lalo na seagull... martins naman cater to everyone from 300 bucks to 50k, laki ng range.... :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 03, 2006, 11:43:58 AM
Quote from: deltaslim
sana magkaroon tayo ng acoustic tone party. host si farseer, produced by kulas (tnx nga pala sa dvd!) :-)

very elusive kasi ang perfect acoustic tone.  and dahil sa high prices, and lack of soundclips, it's hard to really have an idea of what's out there. i wonder how much better the high end acoustics are and whether pwede na yung mas mura.


 Sa december pa ako malamang makakapaghost, by that time ill have my own place na... gagawan ko ng maliit na music room... :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 03, 2006, 01:48:09 PM
Quote from: farseer
Quote from: deltaslim
sana magkaroon tayo ng acoustic tone party. host si farseer, produced by kulas (tnx nga pala sa dvd!) :-)

very elusive kasi ang perfect acoustic tone.  and dahil sa high prices, and lack of soundclips, it's hard to really have an idea of what's out there. i wonder how much better the high end acoustics are and whether pwede na yung mas mura.


 Sa december pa ako malamang makakapaghost, by that time ill have my own place na... gagawan ko ng maliit na music room... :D


well, that's a future venue. i can't wait till december eh, hehe. kailangan makapag-tone party na tayo soon, hehe. anyone know a small, carpeted, air conditioned place? in other words, a studio, hehe. pero i think it would be more expensive pag nag-rent tayo ng studio diba? di pa pwede magpasok ng food, hehe. oh well, sana makahanap tayo ng place. what areas would you prefer?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: agentx44 on April 03, 2006, 02:18:07 PM
napapag-usapan na rin lang, anybody here know any local luthiers who build good acoustics? please exclude any and all members of the Lumanog and Bandilla clan, please.  :lol:
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Robotgoogle on April 04, 2006, 07:50:43 AM
Quote from: farseer
Quote from: Robotgoogle
Quote from: kulas
acoustic tone party... sounds good! saan kaya maganda ang venue? maganda kung maganda yung "acoustics" nung place, para talagang feel na feel natin yung vibe from the acoustics. yung definition ko (for myself of course) of a good aocustic guitar is one which can make you feel its vibrations as you play it. yung tipong mayayanig ka habang tumutugtog. yung you don't hear its sound but instead, you feel it, hehehe. sarap nun!

re: d-35, i've always wanted a d-35 kasi ganon yung gitara ni dave matthews dati, hehe. pero ngayon mas gusto ko na yung om/000 sizes.


ha ha ha..parang nakadinig na ako nyan ganyan tunog.

Nung nilabas nung shop na pinuntahan yung santa cruz model na worth almost a million pesos (P992K) nadinig ko na ng talagang malupit na tunog.

Partida open strings pa lang yun. I did not even bother to touch it.

I did not remember what model or even did not made the effort to knoww it since these kinds of guitars just dont exist to me...price wise. (Maybe if im filthy rich!)

Alam ko lang Santa Cruz, Brazilian Rosewood, NAMM quality...at sandamakmak ang inlays.

So far my Martin D35 helps me make through the day...


well thats an expensive santacruz... the inlays wont help in the tone department... try the prewar models- cheapaest yan kasi no frills- killer tone....


actually yng brazilian rosewood ang nagpaganda ng sound. yung inlay pampahype lang ng moral kung sino man ang tutugtog.
Title: try an Antoria, you wont regret buying one
Post by: dominant_chord2005 on April 04, 2006, 07:58:18 AM
It has a full bodied tone with just enough high to make your notes sing. I 've had mine set up with Martin strings to get that Matrin feel and it felt like I owneda Martin as well. Nasira lng ng utol ko ung gitara due to carelessness, ayun nawala ung legacy ng uncle ko na Briton .....

anyway...try looking for the Antoria brand, you wont  part with it...for a non US guitar, its worth an investment
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 04, 2006, 10:52:46 AM
I dont think that braz rw has tonal superiority over IR or madagascar rw... its just more stunning to look at, same goes w/ cocobolos.... mas importante yun top, maybe they used a master class adirondack or german spruce top....
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 04, 2006, 10:58:44 AM
Quote from: agentx44
napapag-usapan na rin lang, anybody here know any local luthiers who build good acoustics? please exclude any and all members of the Lumanog and Bandilla clan, please.  :lol:


I had a jumbo guitar custom built for me... solid spruce top, solid flamed maple back and sides, ebony board and bridge.... took 90 days to finish... pero yun kinalabasab- SABLAY... ang hina tumunog nun guitar e jumbo pa yun.... walang character at all.... and it was kida expensive too, 30k nagastos ko... after  2 mos of experimenting sold it nalang for 13k :cry:

Lesson: mahal magpacustom if you want to use the right woods, and theres the risk na baka hindi maganda yun kalabasan.... i suggest u get an old jap martin or gibson copy.... or try to buy a blueridge :D
Title: Re: try an Antoria, you wont regret buying one
Post by: farseer on April 04, 2006, 11:01:01 AM
Quote from: dominant_chord2005
It has a full bodied tone with just enough high to make your notes sing. I 've had mine set up with Martin strings to get that Matrin feel and it felt like I owneda Martin as well. Nasira lng ng utol ko ung gitara due to carelessness, ayun nawala ung legacy ng uncle ko na Briton .....

anyway...try looking for the Antoria brand, you wont  part with it...for a non US guitar, its worth an investment


what model??? sayang yun martin baka vintage D28 yun....

where can you get this antoria guitar??? ano specs....
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 04, 2006, 11:16:27 AM
Quote from: farseer
Quote from: agentx44
napapag-usapan na rin lang, anybody here know any local luthiers who build good acoustics? please exclude any and all members of the Lumanog and Bandilla clan, please.  :lol:


I had a jumbo guitar custom built for me... solid spruce top, solid flamed maple back and sides, ebony board and bridge.... took 90 days to finish... pero yun kinalabasab- SABLAY... ang hina tumunog nun guitar e jumbo pa yun.... walang character at all.... and it was kida expensive too, 30k nagastos ko... after  2 mos of experimenting sold it nalang for 13k :cry:

Lesson: mahal magpacustom if you want to use the right woods, and theres the risk na baka hindi maganda yun kalabasan.... i suggest u get an old jap martin or gibson copy.... or try to buy a blueridge :D


bro, pano kaya makakabili ng blueridge ang isang normal na nilalang na hindi lumalabas ng bansa? hehe. matagal ko na gustong sumubok nun eh, is there any way na magdedeliver sila to manila? sobrang naiintriga talaga ako jan sa blueridge na yan matagal na eh, hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 04, 2006, 11:32:00 AM
i guess you have to order online :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 04, 2006, 11:52:06 AM
bad threef bro. mahal panaman ng online delivery. $200 na delivery palang, hehe. sabi ko nga sa sarili ko eh, if you can't afford it, it ain't yours, hehe. oh well, i'm in the proces sof acquiring an acoustic guitar today, well, in a few moments, hehe. it's a japanese-made, 000-size acoustic, mala-vintage martin copy (i said vintage kasi yung headstock nya rounded pa yung edges, ganon yung mga lumang martin diba? it has a hardshell case included, i won't tell the price, it's really cheap. tingnan ko mamaya kung maganda tunog. i've always wanted an 000-size guitar eh... sinabi ko na yun diba? hehe yung ibanez thinline ko kasi didn't cut it for me, may cutawa kasi eh, eh medyo purist ako kunwari when it comes to acoustics. gusto ko yung walang onboard preamp or cutaway, hehe. gusto ko yung pinaka-basic porma, hehe. arte ko no?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 04, 2006, 12:23:40 PM
Quote from: kulas
bad threef bro. mahal panaman ng online delivery. $200 na delivery palang, hehe. sabi ko nga sa sarili ko eh, if you can't afford it, it ain't yours, hehe. oh well, i'm in the proces sof acquiring an acoustic guitar today, well, in a few moments, hehe. it's a japanese-made, 000-size acoustic, mala-vintage martin copy (i said vintage kasi yung headstock nya rounded pa yung edges, ganon yung mga lumang martin diba? it has a hardshell case included, i won't tell the price, it's really cheap. tingnan ko mamaya kung maganda tunog. i've always wanted an 000-size guitar eh... sinabi ko na yun diba? hehe yung ibanez thinline ko kasi didn't cut it for me, may cutawa kasi eh, eh medyo purist ako kunwari when it comes to acoustics. gusto ko yung walang onboard preamp or cutaway, hehe. gusto ko yung pinaka-basic porma, hehe. arte ko no?


but i think the blueridge will get you nearest to the martin tone w/o shelling out big bucks... or maybe yun 15 series custom nga...  :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: jun_gats on April 04, 2006, 12:39:06 PM
bossing, farseer may masugestion po ba kayo sa acoustic amp? kasi po i'm planning to get one. ovation lng po guitar ko.  :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 04, 2006, 12:44:55 PM
Quote from: jun_gats
bossing, farseer may masugestion po ba kayo sa acoustic amp? kasi po i'm planning to get one. ovation lng po guitar ko.  :D


mag 2nd hand pa system ka nalang.... para di ka mabitin
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: jun_gats on April 04, 2006, 12:53:46 PM
Quote from: farseer
Quote from: jun_gats
bossing, farseer may masugestion po ba kayo sa acoustic amp? kasi po i'm planning to get one. ovation lng po guitar ko.  :D


mag 2nd hand pa system ka nalang.... para di ka mabitin


pano kapag 30w lng kailangan ko bossing?  :D house use lng.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 04, 2006, 01:33:53 PM
got the guitar already, it's like a 000-18. it's more of a project guitar pa, the soundboard is bulged, the neck is bowed, the action is high, hehe. so konting restoration pa ang katapat nito. it looks old, the finish is quite thin, pero gloss sha. not solid top, so it's more like arie's three-s guitar. it comes with a cute hardshell case, hehe. pero yung acoustic tone nya is not really spectacular. it's more of an "alternative to dreadnought" guitar, hehe. so we'll see as the repairs progress.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 04, 2006, 02:07:27 PM
Quote from: jun_gats
Quote from: farseer
Quote from: jun_gats
bossing, farseer may masugestion po ba kayo sa acoustic amp? kasi po i'm planning to get one. ovation lng po guitar ko.  :D


mag 2nd hand pa system ka nalang.... para di ka mabitin


pano kapag 30w lng kailangan ko bossing?  :D house use lng.


you can get a washburm, marhall or laney- medyo bitin yun 30 watts.... try to call me may irerefer ako s'yo na pa system 15k lang :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 05, 2006, 01:21:46 PM
Quote from: kulas
got the guitar already, it's like a 000-18. it's more of a project guitar pa, the soundboard is bulged, the neck is bowed, the action is high, hehe. so konting restoration pa ang katapat nito. it looks old, the finish is quite thin, pero gloss sha. not solid top, so it's more like arie's three-s guitar. it comes with a cute hardshell case, hehe. pero yung acoustic tone nya is not really spectacular. it's more of an "alternative to dreadnought" guitar, hehe. so we'll see as the repairs progress.


musta na bago mong 00018??? try to post some pix... nakina arie ba???
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 05, 2006, 01:31:07 PM
hindi sha martin ah, hehe. sagano yung brand, 000-18 copy lang. nung nauwi ko sha kagabi maayos pala yung tunog. it's got the "throaty" tone i want, hehe.

eto pix nya (taken from another thread):


(http://www.geocities.com/fastfret24/sagano.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/fastfret24/saganob.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/fastfret24/saganoh.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/fastfret24/hc.jpg)

yup it's with arie as we speak, hehe. pinarepair ko yung neck, sana ayusin nya yung soundboard bulge, tapos pinagawa kong bone yung nut and saddle. sa friday ko pa makukuha so exciting, hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Robotgoogle on April 05, 2006, 01:49:03 PM
Quote from: kulas
got the guitar already, it's like a 000-18. it's more of a project guitar pa, the soundboard is bulged, the neck is bowed, the action is high, hehe. so konting restoration pa ang katapat nito. it looks old, the finish is quite thin, pero gloss sha. not solid top, so it's more like arie's three-s guitar. it comes with a cute hardshell case, hehe. pero yung acoustic tone nya is not really spectacular. it's more of an "alternative to dreadnought" guitar, hehe. so we'll see as the repairs progress.


patuyuin mo lang cguro kahoy nyan bka gumanda ang sound.

tungkol sa blueridge meron akong nakita sa singapore.

ganito gawin mo ikaw ang pumunta sa SG kahit balikan lang hehe... bumili ng tiket ng www.tigerairways.com cost around P6K or lower...

maganda ang blueridge bang for the bucks

muntik n ako bumili ng BR-160 kaya lang naisip ko ang resale value ng martin kaya ayun napabili ako ng martin.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Robotgoogle on April 05, 2006, 01:50:47 PM
Quote from: kulas
hindi sha martin ah, hehe. sagano yung brand, 000-18 copy lang. nung nauwi ko sha kagabi maayos pala yung tunog. it's got the "throaty" tone i want, hehe.

eto pix nya (taken from another thread):

yup it's with arie as we speak, hehe. pinarepair ko yung neck, sana ayusin nya yung soundboard bulge, tapos pinagawa kong bone yung nut and saddle. sa friday ko pa makukuha so exciting, hehe.


Congrats!!!!
Ganda ah!!! astig ang case...leather ba yan?
WOW! nde mo na kailangan ang BR for next few months hehehe

padala ka naman ng sound clips
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 05, 2006, 02:14:14 PM
Quote from: Robotgoogle
Quote from: kulas
got the guitar already, it's like a 000-18. it's more of a project guitar pa, the soundboard is bulged, the neck is bowed, the action is high, hehe. so konting restoration pa ang katapat nito. it looks old, the finish is quite thin, pero gloss sha. not solid top, so it's more like arie's three-s guitar. it comes with a cute hardshell case, hehe. pero yung acoustic tone nya is not really spectacular. it's more of an "alternative to dreadnought" guitar, hehe. so we'll see as the repairs progress.


patuyuin mo lang cguro kahoy nyan bka gumanda ang sound.

tungkol sa blueridge meron akong nakita sa singapore.

ganito gawin mo ikaw ang pumunta sa SG kahit balikan lang hehe... bumili ng tiket ng www.tigerairways.com cost around P6K or lower...

maganda ang blueridge bang for the bucks

muntik n ako bumili ng BR-160 kaya lang naisip ko ang resale value ng martin kaya ayun napabili ako ng martin.


hmmm... pwedeng i-project yan ah, hehe. siguro pag nakaipon na, kasi as of this time, with my money at hand, makakapunta ako sa singapore... pero pagdating ko dun, i'd have to beg, hehe. wala na akong pera. did you see the prices of the blueridge guitars there? i'm aiming for the br-143 or br-163, or the gospel guitar. all of them costs around $500-600. so yun wala pa akong pera, hehe.

Quote from: Robotgoogle
Congrats!!!!
Ganda ah!!! astig ang case...leather ba yan?
WOW! nde mo na kailangan ang BR for next few months hehehe

padala ka naman ng sound clips


it's a molded plastic hardcase tapos yung stripe nya is leather. ganda nga nung case eh, hehe. pero the guitar is nothing spectacular, pero maayos sha. it's pretty light, laminate spruce top, laminate mahogany back/sides. pagbalik sakin nun, bone nut and saddle na, pickup sana pero wala pa akong pickup, hehe. i'm looking for an l.r. baggs ibeam or another ribbon transducer. kasi sayang yung bone saddle kung yung lb6 eh (kasi may built in saddle na sha sa pickup.) lahat ng acoustic ko sa bahay has been "boned" hehe. yung electrics naman next time, hehe. pag may budget na ulit.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on April 05, 2006, 02:55:19 PM
ganda ng case mo bro!!!  :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Robotgoogle on April 05, 2006, 10:50:09 PM
pre ang BR 163 mga P30K wala pang case dala ka na lang ng case.
yung Gospel (ito tipo ko talaga to) cost you around P35K walang case.

pero tutoo nga sabi nila parang Martin ang tunog  dahil ma-bass cya. ang medyo hindi ko gusto ang ang headstock kasi maliit.

Blueridge guitars led me to the sound that I never knew I liked ...which is the Martin sound.

Actually hindi ako humahawak ng Martin sa guitar shops kasi alam ko na hindi ko kaya so nung nangahas ako ayun wala ng atrasan.

Pero yung BR parang okay sya pangharabas ..pang inuman ba.

eto yung BR 343 Gospel http://www.sagamusic.com/catalog/details.asp?ProductID=BR-343[/quote]

sabihan mo ako dude kung punta ka ng singapore. daming choice ng guitara sa Singapore.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 05, 2006, 10:54:39 PM
hehe medyo matagal na usapan pa yan, hehe. at the salary i'm getting, hehe. kung seryosong mag-iipon talaga ako for that? hmm baka next year makapunta ako, hehe. pero i'll be sticking around in the forums naman eh, so i'll tell you nalang pag ayos, hehe. pero whew, medyo mahal din pala sha no? hehe and yeah, maliit nga headstock nya, hehe. panget. pero maganda... labo.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 06, 2006, 12:40:52 AM
astig yun case.... ganda.... saan ba yun bulge sa soundboard<<< sa ilalaim ng bridge???
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 06, 2006, 12:44:17 AM
Quote from: farseer
astig yun case.... ganda.... saan ba yun bulge sa soundboard<<< sa ilalaim ng bridge???


yung bulge nasa may bridge area. parang medyo nag-arch na yung top nung acoustic. probabaly caused by loose braces. hintay ko pa yung diagnosis ni sir arie. sana maayos, nakaka-OC yung bulge eh, feeling ko buntis yung acoustic, hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 06, 2006, 12:50:52 AM
0i... yun mga vintage martins nagbubulge talaga.... maganda tone ng mga yun kasi the bracing is not heavy... kaya building a good acoustic is a compromise between tone and stability.... yun santa cruz ko medyo may konting buldge na rin....
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 06, 2006, 01:02:30 AM
ah talaga? pero dahil dun sa bulge kasi parang naka-angle tuloy yung bridge. although shallow lang naman. pero it looks like manipis yung top nya and yun nga, manipis din yung braces, maganda naman yng tone nya kahit papano, nagpo-project kahit small body, hehe. i can't wait to try it na ayos na yung action, hehe.

maiba tayo, where can i buy good pickups for it, na hindi mashado mahal? hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 06, 2006, 01:13:42 AM
si fastfret may lrbaggs ata... si gen may isa pang dual source- 200 bucks ata benta niya :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 06, 2006, 01:17:53 AM
oo nga eh, pero i don't think kasya yung lr baggs ni fastfret dun sa saddle slot nung acoustic eh. sino si gen?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 06, 2006, 01:18:38 AM
glen angeles 723691... try mo kausapin
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 06, 2006, 01:23:20 AM
ahh si glen, ano ulit yung #? kulang ng isang digit, hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 06, 2006, 01:41:21 AM
Quote from: kulas
ahh si glen, ano ulit yung #? kulang ng isang digit, hehe.


7236911
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 06, 2006, 02:34:32 AM
cool, thanks! sana makahanap na ako ng maayos na pickups for the acoustic, hehe. parang maganda tingnan ang 000-size sa tugtugan eh, hehe. parang john mayer, hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on April 08, 2006, 04:44:58 PM
Question ko lang para sa inyo:
Ano ba ang mga katapat ng Ibanez Artwood series in the 20-25k & below range?  :?:
Thanks.  :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 09, 2006, 10:30:18 AM
yamaha apx. epiphones
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 10, 2006, 11:33:40 PM
update lang dun sa sagano guitar. it's been repaired na. ayos na sha. playable na, the neck is straight and the action is good. replaced the nut and saddle with bone, pero hindi na nawala yung bulge. pero oks lang. it has a surprisingly loud tone, na medyo throaty. ayos din eh, just the sound i was looking for. yung punchy na hindi mashado boomy na throaty, hehe. ansarap hatawin sa strumming, hehe. the chords are clear and tight.

as for the pickup, i've made arrangements with my friend who's leaving, papabili ako sa kanya ng l.r. baggs na ibeam (passive). i'm expectin g it within a month siguro.

doc dave, nakarinig ka na ba ng ibeam? how is it?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: sigjoys on April 11, 2006, 10:51:34 AM
pwede po sumali...

here's my entry ibby V7012 and AW40ECE. eto lang kaya ko :D.

did anyone here have tried using Dimarzio Acoustic Model (DP130) as a transducer for their acoustics?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 11, 2006, 10:51:43 AM
ok yan, si james taylor naka ibeam dati :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 11, 2006, 10:54:55 AM
Quote from: farseer
ok yan, si james taylor naka ibeam dati :D


ah talaga? i heard he also uses the lb6. pero i think mas gusto ko i-try yung ibeam naman, iba kasi sha from under-saddle transducers diba? parang medyo microphonic ang effect nya?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on April 11, 2006, 11:15:44 AM
mga bro!

kelan tau mag akowstik jamming???

mr kulas kaw na mag organize...join ako dyan.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on April 11, 2006, 11:20:19 AM
ako rin,,, sali ako kelan ang acoustic jam? hehe,, para hanggat nag iipon pa ako makabili ng electric,, nyehehe
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 11, 2006, 11:31:54 AM
@ hordex

bro, pwede kaya tayo dun sa studio na inooffer mo sa kabilang thread? mukhang ok dun ah, i think a studio is a good venue for a jam (duh?!?! studio nga eh, hehe) de, for an acoustic jam. at least maganda na agad yung acoustics (aba dapat lang).

so yun pre, since ikaw ang contact natin jan sa studio na yan, baka we can work out a sked kung kelan tayo makakapag-jam para ma-post natin dito at makapunta sana ang mga pwedeng makapunta, hehe. walang gamitan ng amp ah, except to test the pickups lang ng mga acoustic natin, hehe. para true blue acoustic jam tayo. i can bring my cajon and shempre my guitar.

so yun pre, we'll be waiting for your response lang, hehe. thanks bro! hati hati nalang tayo sa bayad sa studio.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on April 11, 2006, 11:36:06 AM
pweeeedeeeee. 2 sets tayo.....first set plugged...second set unplugged...wat you tink?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 11, 2006, 11:50:44 AM
ayos yan!

o yan boys, you heard the man. so who's up for the acoustic jam? sign up na, maganda jan let's set it one saturday afternoon. mga 4pm onwards? ok lang ba? or kayo na magsabi ng time, hehe. basta saturday orayt? kaw na magsabi ng date hordex. basta hindi this black saturday.

lista nyo lang mga pangalan nyo dito:

1. kulas
2.
3.
4.
5.

jam time boys!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Unior on April 11, 2006, 11:55:27 AM
ako!!! ako!!!:lol: sa wakas makakasama na ko sa mga ganyan!!! yahoo!!!

sama ko friend kong bongocero... wala lang... para lang may kasama at maganda tugtugan!! :)

eto pa lang acoustic ko eh.... (thanks alwyn) ok nman tunog nya...:) i'm satisfied..
(http://www.ibanez.co.jp/img/ac/m/SX72_TBC_12_03.jpg)
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 11, 2006, 12:11:30 PM
lagay mo pangalano mo sa list bro, copy/paste mo nalang yung list para makita natin dumami, hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on April 11, 2006, 12:49:29 PM
lista nyo lang mga pangalan nyo dito:

1. kulas
2. hordex
3.
4.
5.

jam time boys!

join join join join join
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on April 11, 2006, 12:50:28 PM
Quote from: unior
ako!!! ako!!!:lol: sa wakas makakasama na ko sa mga ganyan!!! yahoo!!!

sama ko friend kong bongocero... wala lang... para lang may kasama at maganda tugtugan!! :)

eto pa lang acoustic ko eh.... (thanks alwyn) ok nman tunog nya...:) i'm satisfied..
(http://www.ibanez.co.jp/img/ac/m/SX72_TBC_12_03.jpg)



oks yung akowstik mo!

sakin ibanez din AEL model.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Unior on April 11, 2006, 01:08:27 PM
lista nyo lang mga pangalan nyo dito:

1. kulas
2. hordex
3. unior and others!!!! hahahaha
4.
5.

jam time boys!

join join join join join
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Unior on April 11, 2006, 01:11:34 PM
Quote from: hordex
Quote from: unior
ako!!! ako!!!:lol: sa wakas makakasama na ko sa mga ganyan!!! yahoo!!!

sama ko friend kong bongocero... wala lang... para lang may kasama at maganda tugtugan!! :)

eto pa lang acoustic ko eh.... (thanks alwyn) ok nman tunog nya...:) i'm satisfied..
(http://www.ibanez.co.jp/img/ac/m/SX72_TBC_12_03.jpg)



oks yung akowstik mo!

sakin ibanez din AEL model.


hehehe.... sarap.... la pa kasi budget for a "high-end: acoustic eh... pero oks na ko dito.... it does the job well....: meron na ba sa inyo nakasubok nung acoustic effects ng boss? AD3 or AD8? tska yung sa Korg AX10A? haayyyy.... gusto ko nun!!!! lalo na AD8!!!!! :oops:
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Unior on April 11, 2006, 01:17:19 PM
eto o.... boss ad8
(http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/BossAD-8Big.jpg)

eto ad3.... mas simple... wala nang nagbebenta sa PP eh.... sayang yung dati binibigay sakin to ng 7k na lang... bnew pa.... kaso la breads!!! arggghhhh..... ngayun tuloy ala na!!!!!:(
(http://www.pulseonline.com/boss/bigAD3.jpg)
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on April 11, 2006, 02:26:23 PM
1. kulas
2. hordex
3. progressive_pilipinas
4.
5.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: flyingratsass on April 11, 2006, 02:55:59 PM
i have a simon & patrick dreadnought (solid spruce top, solid rosewood back, laminated rosewood sides, mahogany neck, ebony fingerboard) with lrbaggs lb6 pickup. pretty decent sound. i run it thru a boss pq3b. this is a bass parametric eq but i find it works really well with acoustics also. hindi lang yung mids ang may sweep, kundi pati yung bass and treble din. so ang daming tones pwede makuha.
best acoustic i've ever played? my uncle's pre-war gibson hummingbird. tone on that baby is just unbelievable. super sweet! lumang luma na kasi. super easy to play pa!  i've played a ton of high-end martins, taylors, larrivee, breedlove... ok sila pero malayo sila doon sa hummingbird ng tito ko. sana ipamana niya sa akin... hehe
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Unior on April 12, 2006, 11:40:38 AM
up lang natin....:)
Title: SX?
Post by: nickson on April 12, 2006, 12:33:29 PM
Mga sir,

Tell what you think about SX Acoustic guitars..cuz for me..their not even close to the ones people in this forum own..but i own one and i think they sound great..

I'm not really a fan of acoustic music...in fact the only song i can really play and enjoy playing on the acoustic guitar is MR.BIG's "To be with you" (don't we all?) but i think SX acoustics are catching up with the YAMAHA's and the IBANEZ's...I can't compare them with the Oscar Schmidt's and the Martin's ('di pa ako nakakahawak ng mga yun ni minsan)

Tell me what do you think guys? And has anybody here tried an SX acoustic with pick-ups? Do they sound great when plugged in?

Thanks :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Perf_De_Castro on April 12, 2006, 02:57:56 PM
Quote from: agentx44
napapag-usapan na rin lang, anybody here know any local luthiers who build good acoustics? please exclude any and all members of the Lumanog and Bandilla clan, please.  :lol:


Meron sa Cebu, Efren Muana ang pangalan. Sya may-ari ng Habagat Outdoor Gear.  Nung bumisita ako sa kanya nung 2002, may ginagawa syang Grand Concert, malinis workmanship at all solid woods. Inaalagaan din nya humidity storage ng woods nya habang ginagawa. Meron din syang travel guitar dati na malaki tumunog, lampaso Backpacker.

Sayang di ko na alam pano kontakin yun.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Perf_De_Castro on April 12, 2006, 03:06:58 PM
So far sa steel-string, pinakamagnadang na-test ko yung Collings na OM ng kaibigan ko na taga-NorCal, di ko sure anong model.  Malapad ang tunog and ramdam mo vibrations ng  buong gitara habanag tinutugtog mo.

Yung Morris Guitars, ongoing pa rin hanggang ngayon. Focused na sila sa fingerstyle guitars: auditorium at small jumbo models.

http://www.morrisguitars.com/

Nakasubok ako sa 2004 and 2005 winter NAMM, tumugtog pa nga ako sa booth nila e. Maganda yung ginawa nila para kay Tommy Emmanuel, spruce/mahogany tapos 1 7/8 yung nut width, malapad.

Yung kaibigan kong guitarmaker dito sa L.A. may 1974 Martin 000-28, spruce/indian rosewood. Oks lang, may boses pero medyo kimi. DI daw kasi masyadong natututgtog.

Para sa mga mahihilig magbasa tungkol sa gitara, recommended ko ton'g librong 'to:

(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0743266358.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0743266358/102-4091721-2550521?v=glance&n=283155

Nakakatuwa basahin.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 12, 2006, 06:03:36 PM
omigosh! it's perf de castro!!! we're not worthy!!!

kumusta na sir? u.s. based ka na ba ngayon?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on April 13, 2006, 12:05:14 AM
1. kulas
2. hordex
3. progressive_pilipinas
4. deltaslim
5.

... if farseer and his acoustics will be #5.  ;-)
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Perf_De_Castro on April 13, 2006, 01:12:59 AM
Quote from: kulas


kumusta na sir? u.s. based ka na ba ngayon?


Yup, andito na sa Los Angeles, CA. Togs pa rin, see details here:

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=14221

Mas classical/nylon string focus ko ngayon, tugtog at construction. Nagka-hands on experience ako last year sa pagkalikot ng gitarra hehehe

http://www.cathedralguitar.com/Perf/doubletop/

Kinakati uli ako gumawa this year, baka simulan ko in a few months.

Currently, wala akong electric guitar...kakabenta ko lang nung Strat ko, balak ko umsikor ng Variax in a couple of weeks. So ngayon ang mga gitara ko 3 lang: 1973 Jose Ramirez 10 string cedar/brazilain RW, Lucida Picado flamenco guitar (pang-harabas), Fender Jazz bass na dating may-ari yung dating bassist ng Advent Call. Meron din akong 8 string classcial guitar, pahiram ng kaibigan kong luthier na taga-Washington state, Steve Ganz pangalan spruce/port orford cedar.

Eto pics ng Ramirez ko:

(http://www.cathedralguitar.com/images/Ramirez1973/Ramirez1973front.jpg)
(http://www.cathedralguitar.com/images/Ramirez1973/Ramirez1973Back.jpg)

O sya, have fun as meetup nyo!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: buliwyf on April 13, 2006, 01:48:35 AM
Quote from: Perf_De_Castro

(http://www.cathedralguitar.com/images/Ramirez1973/Ramirez1973Back.jpg)


NICE REAR
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 13, 2006, 02:15:36 AM
wow, jose ramirez... nakasubok na ako nyan dito eh, dati kong kabanda may ganyang guitar, 1973 model ata. espangioli shang babae. and i think may relations sila kila jose ramirez kasi ang kwento nya eh bigay lang daw sa kanya yung guitar na yun by her tita ata who's married to one of ramirez's children, something like that. ewan ko lang kung ganon nga. ganda ng tunog ng mga ramirez sir! sumubok din ako nyan sa tomlee hongkong eh. brazilian rosewood ba yung back nung inyo? ganda ng pagka-figured nya eh.

anywayz, nice to have you back online sir!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on April 13, 2006, 09:22:59 PM
Quote from: deltaslim
1. kulas
2. hordex
3. progressive_pilipinas
4. deltaslim
5.

... if farseer and his acoustics will be #5.  ;-)



mga bro...oks ba kayo sa april 22...saturday yun.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 13, 2006, 09:28:51 PM
HEHE... il be busy til june... im taking my specialty boards kasi.... tas sa november wedding naman, kaya meyo busy talaga....

next year pag may sariling lugar na ako, ako na maghohost :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 13, 2006, 09:32:11 PM
Astig nga talaga collings... lalo na yun D1-a.... pag nagkacash ulit :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on April 14, 2006, 12:06:05 AM
Quote from: farseer
HEHE... il be busy til june... im taking my specialty boards kasi.... tas sa november wedding naman, kaya meyo busy talaga....

next year pag may sariling lugar na ako, ako na maghohost :D


we'll hold to your word!

congrats in advance s pagpasa ng board at sa kasal, bro. :-)
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 14, 2006, 12:34:18 AM
Quote from: farseer
HEHE... il be busy til june... im taking my specialty boards kasi.... tas sa november wedding naman, kaya meyo busy talaga....

next year pag may sariling lugar na ako, ako na maghohost :D


wow doc kakasal ka na? congrats! sayang sana makasama ka sa upcoming jam.

OT lang, anong specialty ang kukunin mo?

wala ka bang bebentang martin guitar jan for 15k lang? hahaha joke!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 14, 2006, 12:35:01 AM
Quote from: hordex
Quote from: deltaslim
1. kulas
2. hordex
3. progressive_pilipinas
4. deltaslim
5.

... if farseer and his acoustics will be #5.  ;-)



mga bro...oks ba kayo sa april 22...saturday yun.


hmm, mukhang pwede. ayos yan bro. ako ok ako.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 14, 2006, 10:55:24 AM
Quote from: deltaslim
Quote from: farseer
HEHE... il be busy til june... im taking my specialty boards kasi.... tas sa november wedding naman, kaya meyo busy talaga....

next year pag may sariling lugar na ako, ako na maghohost :D


we'll hold to your word!

congrats in advance s pagpasa ng board at sa kasal, bro. :-)


sana nga makapasa ako sa upcoming exam :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 14, 2006, 10:57:12 AM
Quote from: kulas
Quote from: farseer
HEHE... il be busy til june... im taking my specialty boards kasi.... tas sa november wedding naman, kaya meyo busy talaga....

next year pag may sariling lugar na ako, ako na maghohost :D


wow doc kakasal ka na? congrats! sayang sana makasama ka sa upcoming jam.

OT lang, anong specialty ang kukunin mo?

wala ka bang bebentang martin guitar jan for 15k lang? hahaha joke!


tapus na yun residency ko... dermatology ang specialty ko- natapos ko last december... exam nalang kulang para maging fellow sa society
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 14, 2006, 10:59:20 AM
15k na martin??? try mo maghanaphanap sa tabi tabi- baka may maligaw... the cheapest ive sold is a 000-15 for 30k....
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 14, 2006, 11:01:04 AM
ayos yan doc, goodluck! pag ok na baka magpa-ayos ako ng mukha sayo, hehehe.

joke lang yung 15k, hahaha. walang ganon na martin, unless may nievera na kasunod, heheheh.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Unior on April 14, 2006, 11:44:54 AM
1. kulas
2. hordex
3. progressive_pilipinas
4. deltaslim
5. unior.... oi bat nawala ako sa listahan? sama nyo ako.... :(
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Unior on April 14, 2006, 11:46:31 AM
Quote from: kulas
ayos yan doc, goodluck! pag ok na baka magpa-ayos ako ng mukha sayo, hehehe.

joke lang yung 15k, hahaha. walang ganon na martin, unless may nievera na kasunod, heheheh.


wag kang ganyan.... lam ko 6 digits sha ngayun dba?? hahaha...:lol:
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 14, 2006, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: unior
1. kulas
2. hordex
3. progressive_pilipinas
4. deltaslim
5. unior.... oi bat nawala ako sa listahan? sama nyo ako.... :(


haha nawala nga no? hehe. baka na-misplace, hehe. oy sa 22 daw ha? game na ba yan?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Unior on April 14, 2006, 03:47:10 PM
sino kukuha ng attendance? hehehe present ako!!!:) teka, san pla yan? hahaha, oo ako ng oo bka kng saang lupalop gagawin yan!!!:lol:
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 14, 2006, 03:53:04 PM
sa malabon daw tayo bro. lapit lang, hehe. de sa makati pre, somewhere in jupiter. malayo panaman eh, ask mo si mr. hordex. sha magco-coordinate nung place eh.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Unior on April 14, 2006, 04:19:22 PM
ayus, ayus....:) cge.... update na lang....
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Unior on April 15, 2006, 10:54:57 AM
waahhhhh!!!!! nde ako pde sa 22!!! may tugtog ako nun...:( wahhh!!! mommyyyy!!!! :cry:
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 18, 2006, 09:29:32 AM
pssst... tuloy pa ba 'to? hehe
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Unior on April 18, 2006, 10:10:09 AM
oo nga eh.... tumahimik mga tao.... :shock:

ako nde pde that day.... may tugtog daw kame....:(
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on April 18, 2006, 10:41:48 AM
gusto nyo set natin iba date?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 18, 2006, 11:55:14 AM
oo pre, siguro sometime in may nalang. may practice din kami sa umaga sa church eh, ayoko naman magdala ng dalawang gitara, hehe. anyway sige, just keep us posted as to what date. thanks bro!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on April 18, 2006, 12:32:44 PM
reset sched,, ehehe,, di ako pwede nun,..
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: nsvillegas on May 23, 2006, 11:27:08 AM
Kulas,
     What would you recommend as to what string to use, cable, effects (when applicable), guitar setup, etc on my Ovation Balladeer. Thanks.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on May 23, 2006, 11:46:13 AM
Quote from: nsvillegas
Kulas,
     What would you recommend as to what string to use, cable, effects (when applicable), guitar setup, etc on my Ovation Balladeer. Thanks.


well, are you satisfied ba with the action on your guitar? kasi if you find it a little too high, pag tinanggal mo yung strings and lift the bridge saddle, there should be shims there, you can take them out, re-string and try if the action improved. ngayon, you can take it to a luthier naman kung gusto yung maayos talaga.

as for cable/effects, i'm not really particular with effects eh, lalo na pag acoustic. question ko lang sayo, ano ba yung onboard preamp nung balladeer mo? is it the OP-30? OP-20 preamp? if so, meron yun yung pre-shape button, for me ok na yun para lumambot yung tunog nung guitar. siguro all you need is a little EQ-ing and reverb, yun lang for me sa acoustic. or pwede mo din lagyan ng konting chorus. or pwede mo din try yung mga effects pedals na to, yung DOD acoustech, Boss AD-3, and the Zoom A2. sa cables, no particular cable naman, basta get a good quality one without hurting your pocket, hehe. siguro a klotz or neutrik cable will be ok.

strings, yan medyo vital yan sa tone ng acoustic. you can go for medium gauge, pero i don't think kaya ng bracing ng ovation yun, so i suggest go light gauge. phosphor bronze wound strings produce a bright, sparkly sound, so that would be nice, medyo mahal nga lang. magandang strings yung martin SP+ strings. or if you can get your hands on elixir strings, maganda yun, medyo mahal nga lang and i don't think may nagbebenta nun dito sa pinas, hehe. the closest you can get to elixirs are the d'addario EXP strings. mahal din sha, around 700+ a set. pero alam ko coated sha so it would last you for some time narin, hehe. ako fernando strings lang gamit ko eh, and ok naman sha, at 100 pesos a set, hehe. eh since wala nang fernando, i might go for the snarling dogs string set, 200+ lang, hehe.

hope this helps.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: nsvillegas on May 23, 2006, 01:08:21 PM
Yah your right, Im now using light strings from Martin, yung silk and steel.  Medyo masakit sa fingers yung medium kse eh.  I didnt know that medium strings are not healthy for my Ovation?  Pero alam mo, maganda tunog pag medium string compared to light, mas buo.  I once used D'addario but shifted to Martin lately kse madaling 'mamatay' ang D'addario strings. Though havent tried the EXP na tig 700+.

I have a ZOOM 504ii Acoustic effect but cant really get the right effects for my guitar.  I usually end up playing bare, he...he..  Im planning to sell the ZOOM and get Behringer stompboxes, a UC100 and/or an EQ just what you've suggested.

Thanks a lot. That was very helpful bro.  God bless......
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: nsvillegas on May 23, 2006, 01:15:17 PM
BY the way, im using an OP30.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on May 23, 2006, 04:35:06 PM
Quote from: nsvillegas
Yah your right, Im now using light strings from Martin, yung silk and steel.  Medyo masakit sa fingers yung medium kse eh.  I didnt know that medium strings are not healthy for my Ovation?  Pero alam mo, maganda tunog pag medium string compared to light, mas buo.  I once used D'addario but shifted to Martin lately kse madaling 'mamatay' ang D'addario strings. Though havent tried the EXP na tig 700+.

I have a ZOOM 504ii Acoustic effect but cant really get the right effects for my guitar.  I usually end up playing bare, he...he..  Im planning to sell the ZOOM and get Behringer stompboxes, a UC100 and/or an EQ just what you've suggested.

Thanks a lot. That was very helpful bro.  God bless......


medium gauge strings kasi are more suited for big-bodied guitars eh like dreadnoughts, jumbos, etc. kaya mas maganda yung heavier gauge strings kasi aside from their thickness, it also puts more tension on the top of the guitar, causing it to vibrate more, sa acoustic, more vibration = better, louder tone. silk and steel is manipis, low tension strings yun. better go for the marin SP+ or marquis. pero since ovation gamit mo, baka masikip mashado yung silk covered ends ng marquis para sa string holes ng bridge. so yun nga, light gauged martin SP+'s are ok.

i also have a zoom504II, hehe. sorry to say, wala shang kwenta. pero i can't sell it naman, kasi bigay lang sakin yun ng ate ko, and i don't want to sell an item na i'm not fully satisfied with, kasi baka mainis lang yung buyer sakin, hehe. kung magbebehringer ka nalang din, get the ADI21 nalang, it's the acoustic preamp/direct box ng behringer. it'll suit your needs better. kasi maganda pag naka-rekta sa PA system yung acoustic. eh in order to do that, you need a direct box. so yun, the ADI21 is the cheapest alternative, for me, hehe. wag ka na bumili ng EQ if you're getting the ADI21, may eq settings naman sha eh, just get the ADI and the chorus.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: nsvillegas on May 23, 2006, 05:00:07 PM
Bro,
   I tried the Martin SP+ and marquis before the silk and steel.  Ok din naman kaya lang comment ko parang mas matalas ang tunog nya compared to the silk and steel.  O baka naman mali lang pandinig ko.  But both strings are ok.  

   Regarding the Behringer ADI21, direct box and chorus; how do i setup this in between my guitar and the amp ? Which goes before such effects ?  

   Para saan ang direct box?  wala bang chorus yung ADI?

   Thanks ulit.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on May 23, 2006, 05:06:50 PM
Quote from: nsvillegas
Bro,
   I tried the Martin SP+ and marquis before the silk and steel.  Ok din naman kaya lang comment ko parang mas matalas ang tunog nya compared to the silk and steel.  O baka naman mali lang pandinig ko.  But both strings are ok.  

   Regarding the Behringer ADI21, direct box and chorus; how do i setup this in between my guitar and the amp ? Which goes before such effects ?  

   Para saan ang direct box?  wala bang chorus yung ADI?

   Thanks ulit.


yup, SP+ strings are bright, because of the phosphor bronze winding. kung gusto mo warm, swabe, ok narin ang silk and steel.

the ADI21 is a direct box in itself. it's a direct box/preamp. you need a direct box to make the signal "compatible" for lack of a better term, for the PA system. kasi sabi nila masisira daw yung mixer pag raw signal yung papasok. i'm not quite sure. walang effects yung ADI, EQ lang sha and some controls to enhance the sound signal of your acoustic. ngayon since active naman yung pickup ng ovation, pwede mauna yung chorus before the ADI, basta yung direct box yung last lagi, kasi sha yung naga-act na parang "amp" eh. and kung gagamit ka naman ng amp, ok yung keyboard amps or acoustic amps. don't use guitar amps for your acoustic, medyo harsh ang tunog nun.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: superoxy on May 24, 2006, 07:41:06 AM
may parang Compressor effect onboard yung ADI21, yung Blend knob. you use it para mas lumitaw yung piezo quality sound nung guitar
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: nsvillegas on May 24, 2006, 08:15:15 AM
Yun ang prob ko kse wala kaming acoustic amp sa church. Meron kaming keyboard amp pero naka-install kse during praise and worship namin is the guitar amp kaya tuloy kahit ovation guitar ko, do ko type ang tunog.  

However, if i am to buy an acoustic amp, what will you suggest?

Thanks again bro.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on May 24, 2006, 11:28:38 AM
Quote from: nsvillegas
Yun ang prob ko kse wala kaming acoustic amp sa church. Meron kaming keyboard amp pero naka-install kse during praise and worship namin is the guitar amp kaya tuloy kahit ovation guitar ko, do ko type ang tunog.  

However, if i am to buy an acoustic amp, what will you suggest?

Thanks again bro.


wag ka na bumili ng amp, direct to PA ka nalang via the ADI21. ako ganon ako sa church eh, direct to PA ako via my LR Baggs DI. tapos sa monitor nalang ako nakikinig, hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: nsvillegas on May 24, 2006, 02:07:39 PM
Sayang din naman itong ZOOM 504ii ko, since you mentioned na walang effects itong ADI21, pwede ko bang i-series itong dalawa and get a nice sound out of it, or totally get a chorus stompbox and totally forget the ZOOM ?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on November 14, 2006, 03:39:04 PM
taas natin para may usapan akustic ulit :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on November 14, 2006, 03:43:07 PM
taas natin para may usapan akustic ulit :-D

may pa-up up ka pa bro...  magpakasal ka na kasi para makapag-shootout na!!!     :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: jebs on November 14, 2006, 04:40:34 PM
hay salamat may usapang acoustic na ulit.  :-D

bridge pin inquiry ako.  :-D san nakakabili ng magandang set ng ivory bridge pins? naputulan kc ako e. hopefully may ebony pins na nabibili. plastic palang ang replacement ko as of now.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on November 14, 2006, 07:46:34 PM
hay salamat may usapang acoustic na ulit.  :-D

bridge pin inquiry ako.  :-D san nakakabili ng magandang set ng ivory bridge pins? naputulan kc ako e. hopefully may ebony pins na nabibili. plastic palang ang replacement ko as of now.

I wanna know about this too! :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: cumbersome on November 14, 2006, 07:48:28 PM
^Most if not all of the available pins here are plastic. But here's an idea. If you're patient enough and you can spare the time, you can bring a bridge pin to Paete, Laguna, and have it copied in any wood. Those guys can carve anything.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on November 14, 2006, 09:06:10 PM
hehe 2wks nalang :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on November 16, 2006, 10:28:51 AM
ano bang magandang acoustic na nasa 20k?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on November 16, 2006, 06:10:40 PM
ano bang magandang acoustic na nasa 20k?

maayos na yung mga artwoods ng ibanez.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on November 16, 2006, 07:38:30 PM
Ibanez AW40ECE or AEL40SE!!! :-D
Inlays pa lang ulam na!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on November 16, 2006, 09:15:13 PM
Kasi po, ang current na gamit namin sa church sa Taytay (main) eh Ovation Viper-yung manipis. Eh ibibigay na sa daughter church namin sa Angono yung Viper. Tingin nyo sa mga 20k budget more or less eh upgrade kaya kami sa Ibanez oh yung Ibanez na lang ibili namin para sa Angono? :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on November 16, 2006, 09:17:37 PM
Kung alin ang mas magustuhan niyong tunog, keep that. :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: a-boi on November 20, 2006, 05:08:12 PM
Hey,

Just curious, how will you know if your guitar is solid top? I have a morris from japan. I am thinking of getting a pickup for it. What do you guys suggest?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on November 21, 2006, 08:33:16 PM
Hey,

Just curious, how will you know if your guitar is solid top? I have a morris from japan. I am thinking of getting a pickup for it. What do you guys suggest?

like make-silip the edge of the soundhole, if you see layers, then it's laminate. if there aren't layers, it's solid top.

as for the pickup, best for me is L.R. baggs, hehe. i've tried, fishman too, ok rin pero mas gusto ko baggs. meron din duncan, pero i haven't tried it yet. i think seymour duncan lang available dito.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: gilmourisgod on November 21, 2006, 08:55:18 PM
Hey,

Just curious, how will you know if your guitar is solid top? I have a morris from japan. I am thinking of getting a pickup for it. What do you guys suggest?

like make-silip the edge of the soundhole, if you see layers, then it's laminate. if there aren't layers, it's solid top.

as for the pickup, best for me is L.R. baggs, hehe. i've tried, fishman too, ok rin pero mas gusto ko baggs. meron din duncan, pero i haven't tried it yet. i think seymour duncan lang available dito.

During live performances, which is better?... AMP or microphone?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: demet on November 21, 2006, 11:21:44 PM
I have a 1998 Jasmine(by Takamine).  Pinaayos ko minsan sa isang luthier(won't mention the name) kasi naglaglag sa airport nung nag-abroad ako.  In addition, pinababa ko rin yung action nung gitara.  Nung bagong gawa, di ko natest yung gitara plugged-in kasi wala namang gig.  Pero a few months later, napansin ko, na parang yung number 1 string ayaw tumunog.  nung sinilip ko, it's an under saddle type active pickup.  Di ko alam kung panong ayusin.  suggestions? comments? violent reactions?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on November 22, 2006, 12:49:11 AM
Hey,

Just curious, how will you know if your guitar is solid top? I have a morris from japan. I am thinking of getting a pickup for it. What do you guys suggest?

like make-silip the edge of the soundhole, if you see layers, then it's laminate. if there aren't layers, it's solid top.

as for the pickup, best for me is L.R. baggs, hehe. i've tried, fishman too, ok rin pero mas gusto ko baggs. meron din duncan, pero i haven't tried it yet. i think seymour duncan lang available dito.

During live performances, which is better?... AMP or microphone?

well if you want yung volume talaga, better go amp. kung gusto mo naman yung tone, go microphone ka. if you want the best of both worlds, go both. then mix mo na lang yung signals.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on November 22, 2006, 01:36:02 AM
merong alternatives sa mic these days: the Fishman Aura but if you like pups still, you could also use the stereo pup method and hook a piezo and a soundhole pup with a stereo jack and pan them left and right at the FOH mixer so you have a bigger sound. apply a bit of chorus or delay - wooooh. sarap!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on November 22, 2006, 09:21:43 PM
Chorus/delay alone does wonders already. :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: a-boi on November 23, 2006, 05:50:25 AM
Chorus/delay alone does wonders already. :-)

I watched a gig of a friend and he was playing an a/e guitar with delay. At first, I found it weird since delays are used often than not by electric but when I heared it, it was really cool!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on November 23, 2006, 06:30:42 AM
yeah, ok lang ang chorus/delay for acoustic. pero for me i'm all for the raw aocustic sound. medyo processed kasi ang tunog ng chroused acoustic eh, think nyoy volante's early recordings. for me reverb lang for acoustic. mas trip ko tunog nun, let the guitar's true acoustic voice come out, hehe.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: gilmourisgod on November 23, 2006, 07:52:13 AM
I agree, mas maganda nga ang raw sound ng acoustic--when the guitar sings with just pure tone.  But delay works well for a 2nd acoustic sound as well.. check out Dave Matthews Live at Luther College--the accompanying guitar uses delay and a slide.  Sweet!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: jebs on November 23, 2006, 08:42:54 AM
^^ yep yep. dave + tim reynolds. ibang clase!

I want to have a great acoustic tone na pwede makisabay sa full band set up. pano nyo ginagawa yung ganun set up?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: sigjoys on November 23, 2006, 08:52:27 AM
I want to have a great acoustic tone na pwede makisabay sa full band set up. pano nyo ginagawa yung ganun set up?

for me, i usually hook my acoustic to a DI then to the mixing console/eqs flat. i tweak my guitar's tone on the onboard preamp.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on November 23, 2006, 10:07:15 AM
I want to have a great acoustic tone na pwede makisabay sa full band set up. pano nyo ginagawa yung ganun set up?

for me, i usually hook my acoustic to a DI then to the mixing console/eqs flat. i tweak my guitar's tone on the onboard preamp.

yup, sakin ganyan din setup ko. full band, acoustic > baggs DI > p.a. system. yung EQ ng mixer naka-flat lang, then my tone shaping happens in the DI lang. pag full band i usually raise the mids and add a little sparkle with the highs. para lumitaw yung tone nung acoustic. actually you can't expect to be heard talaga pag full band (think dave matthews, listener supported concert) an acoustic in a full band setup just adds a little "sparkle" sa rhythm section. so important na ma-tweak mo yung acoustic mo to make it sound bright yet at the same time full sounding pa rin.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: gilmourisgod on November 23, 2006, 10:24:30 AM
Aside from Chorus and Delay, a nice subtle Tremolo effect also sounds good for accompaniment especially when plucking the strings all at the same time but for a full band set-up, a Tremolo may not be noticed too much.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on November 23, 2006, 12:31:50 PM
yeah, ok lang ang chorus/delay for acoustic. pero for me i'm all for the raw aocustic sound. medyo processed kasi ang tunog ng chroused acoustic eh, think nyoy volante's early recordings. for me reverb lang for acoustic. mas trip ko tunog nun, let the guitar's true acoustic voice come out, hehe.

+1 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: jebs on November 23, 2006, 02:13:51 PM
thnx for the info..

pwede ba ganito set up, guitar + DI + acoustic or electric amp?

kc pang jamming lang e. simple gig set up lang when a PA is not available for me..

i saw a behringer DI already e. dko pa alam kung magiging useful yun sa naiisip kng set up.

Guitar + amp lang gamit ko. and i dont like the sound e..
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on November 23, 2006, 02:19:30 PM
nako jebs, wag mo ia-amp ang acoustic sa electric amp, ampanget nun! better go rekta ka na lang. hindi ko pa na-try yung behringer na ADI21 eh, pero i'm guessing na ayos naman yun.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: sigjoys on November 23, 2006, 05:00:55 PM
nako jebs, wag mo ia-amp ang acoustic sa electric amp, ampanget nun! better go rekta ka na lang. hindi ko pa na-try yung behringer na ADI21 eh, pero i'm guessing na ayos naman yun.

agree with mang kulas here. supot yung tunog when you use an electric guitar amp - lacks low end.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on November 23, 2006, 05:15:48 PM
indigo girls / ani difranco acoustic tone.. for me ..

ayos !! ...

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on May 25, 2007, 10:31:10 PM
New acoustic toys....

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/232/513164548_f97a73ac89.jpg?v=0)
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/220/513168570_4b1fc5e09b.jpg?v=0)
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/207/513168574_ff72aa9e78.jpg?v=1180103295)
Martin HD28 w/ active fishman

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/204/513426705_5a8d7b7ede.jpg?v=0)
79' Guild D35

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/204/513164534_81bc01fbaa.jpg?v=1180081850)
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/228/513164532_e60917e111.jpg?v=1180081803)
76' Guild D55
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on May 29, 2007, 08:04:14 PM
Gibson The Everly :-)

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/227/519733824_ce6d5837fa.jpg?v=1180440095)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: soundslikebryan on May 30, 2007, 07:43:00 AM
Aba, ngayon lang ulit ako nadayo di, tamang-tama me bumawi na kasi yung Yamaha APX-4A ko.

Meron pa kong dalawang natitiran acoustic sa bahay kaya lang yung isa, Yamaha din na ewan, sobrang taas ng action, lagi pang out of tune. Yung isa naman na bigay ng erpats ko eh, classical, wahehe. di ko trip ang ganung tunog.

Naghahanap ako ngayon ng matinong acoustic guitar. Nasubukan ko na yung Ovation celebrity, parang basag na cymbals. Pero yung Ovation elite, ok, mahal nga lang. Sayang yung pera, pambili din yun ng ibang gamit. budget ko lang kasi about $400. eto yung naiisip ko na lang bilhin - Takamine EG561-C. kaya lang di ko pa nasusubukan, wala kasi sila stock sa store.

ayoko ng matatabang gitara, nasanay ako sa thinline kasi.

ano kaya ang magandang bilhin? i guess I really have to try it out, kasi in the end, ako lang naman din ang tutugtog nun.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on May 30, 2007, 08:38:16 AM
Try out some of the blueridge guitars.... or a used Larrivee OM03...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: trees on May 30, 2007, 10:51:01 AM
my dream acoustic

Michael Hedges
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x253/trees78/hedges03c.jpg)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on May 30, 2007, 11:24:28 AM
nakakalungkot farseer.. wag mo na ipost..  :cry:  :-D

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on May 30, 2007, 09:36:16 PM
alin :?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on May 30, 2007, 10:15:04 PM
i've developed a slight fetish on spanish guitars lately

lecheng housemate. heheh.

he's got a cordoba spanish guitar, equipped with good strings and i must say that's my benchmark for nylon stringed acoustics as of now.

spruce-rosewood combo, plus wood bindings did it very well. sabi nga it' made of 5 different woods, bone nut and saddle...

nga pala fingering style din very essential sa pagpapalabas ng acoustic tone. pramis!

my housemate was scolded a lot of times because of his technique, sanay kasi sa electric umaangat agad yung fingers kya nawawala yung sustain ng notes.

maybe someone could shed light on the prescribed fingering, strumming and plucking techniques on acoustics.

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: AngstRidden on May 31, 2007, 01:27:58 AM
Farseer, ganda tlga ng mga gitara mo..i can almost hear their piano like sounds :)

Strummer, wla ako idea dyan, sori..

Question lng po, is there really a difference kpag solid top yung acoustic mo compared to a laminated one? I know that the top is responsible for the greater part of the guitar's sound but is there a big diff kpag solid top pro laminated back and sides nmn or marketing scheme lng nila yan? tnx po. This is a nice thread  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on May 31, 2007, 09:05:14 AM
Just got this... Morris F-20 OM-style guitar w/ abalone inlays, rosewood back and sides.  :-)

We had a nice dinner in my hotel room first...
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/deltaslim/Foto_052907_003.jpg)

... before I banged her good and hard. ;-)  Here she is resting... can you see the afterglow?  :-D
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/deltaslim/Foto_052907_001.jpg)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on May 31, 2007, 09:40:23 AM
alin :?


yung mga pics ng acoustic..  :-D

anyway, ganda talaga.. sana maka test ako nyan.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on May 31, 2007, 09:42:11 AM
Just got this... Morris F-20 OM-style guitar w/ abalone inlays, rosewood back and sides.  :-)

We had a nice dinner in my hotel room first...
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/deltaslim/Foto_052907_003.jpg)

... before I banged her good and hard. ;-)  Here she is resting... can you see the afterglow?  :-D
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/deltaslim/Foto_052907_001.jpg)



ayos... parang mas small-bodied sya compared sa dreadnaught.

anong age nyan ?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on May 31, 2007, 12:52:07 PM
ayos... parang mas small-bodied sya compared sa dreadnaught.

anong age nyan ?

yes, dan. smaller in width and depth ito, and sexier, than a dread.  better balance betw highs and lows and more mids than a dread.  a fingerpicker's dream gtr. it was made in 1975.

just dropped it off at arie's for a thorough once-over... he is impressed.  ;-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 02, 2007, 11:41:25 AM
Nice OM style guitar... nakakamiss na yun mga maliliit na acoustic... lalo na yun tightness ng tunog... most of my acoustics are dreds/jumbo... isa nalang ang grand concert style ko :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 02, 2007, 11:42:37 AM
alin :?


yung mga pics ng acoustic..  :-D

anyway, ganda talaga.. sana maka test ako nyan.

Hehe,,,  :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 02, 2007, 11:45:49 AM
Farseer, ganda tlga ng mga gitara mo..i can almost hear their piano like sounds :)

Strummer, wla ako idea dyan, sori..

Question lng po, is there really a difference kpag solid top yung acoustic mo compared to a laminated one? I know that the top is responsible for the greater part of the guitar's sound but is there a big diff kpag solid top pro laminated back and sides nmn or marketing scheme lng nila yan? tnx po. This is a nice thread  :mrgreen:

tnx... nakakagulat yun mga old guilds ang mas may piano tone...
iba talaga yun mga high end acoustics w/ an almost all solid wood construction, galing din ako sa mga mij laminates, or solid top lang... iba yun vibration, woodiness, etc....
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: kawal on June 06, 2007, 05:15:46 PM
^anak ng tokwa sir farseer, ang ganda ng mga gitara mo, lalu na yung 57 tele pati yung custom tele. meron ka bang pre-war na Martin??? elibs nako sayo pag meron... hehe. more power!  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 07, 2007, 10:45:50 AM
walang pre war martin.... but thats on my wish list.... im eyeing a 60's martin right now, ayaw pa ibenta e :-) :-) :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 07, 2007, 12:32:06 PM
as per sir deltaslim's suggestion in the other thread. let's discuss everything acoustic in this thread. what's a good sounding acoustic for you? what shapes the tones of acoustic guitars eg. body type, wood type, strings, etc. and if anyone can post clips, that would be more than welcome. and what's the best recorded acoustic sound you've heard.

for me, i think i have "decent" acoustic guitars naman at the least. both dreadnoughts. i'll try to
post clips of them pag naka-record ako, both acoustic and amplified.

for me the best recorded acoustic sound i've heard would be in john mayer's album, no room for squares.

nicest acoustic i've tried so far was the martin om-21 in tomlee hongkong.

my dream acoustic guitar is a martin om-28v, though i can settle for a blueridge br-263, hehe.

i have a jasmine s80s equipped with l.r. baggs ribbon transducer running through the l.r. baggs para acoustic d.i. and my other acoustic is a 1975 morris w-15.

Hi K!

If you are looking for REAL good acoustic guitars, while the factory made ones by known makes (i.e. Martin, Taylor, Breedlove, Bourgoise, Larrivee, Guild) are of quality (I have tried China/Korean ones which EQUAL and EVEN SURPASS US-made), I know that many acoustic purist players (finger pickers) such as Peter Finger, Laurence Juber, Doug Smith,  Al Petteway, Ed Gerhard, Doyle Dykes (Taylor endorser), Doug Lee go to the known 'private' luthiers such as James Goodall, Froggy Bottom, Kevin Ryan, Linda Manzer, Kathy Wiengert, Cumpiano, McIlroy, Ervin Somogy, Collings, Rick Turner. Jim Olsen (maker for his endroser - James Taylor)

Check out Gryphon Stringed Intruments shop, they are in the neighborhood of Palo Alto. They are well-respected among the luthiers and acoustic (purists) players in Northern CA (and I believe in the US). They have on their team Frank Ford (a VERY respected luthier) who specializes in repair and I am not certain if Dan Erlewine works with them as well (or does he full time with StewMac?). Their salemen are also acomplished guitar players who gig around the bay area. Gryphon was borne of  guitar passion.

Of course the factory ones turn out hundreds (thousands each month) but a luthier will always be biased to 'hand-made' vis-a-vis CNCed guitars. Factors that are still keeping private luthiers alive are:
1) They hand pick the raw materials - specifically tone woods, they check on the age and origins as well as actually "tap" the raw wood (possibly in billet form as yet) for "Q" factor, quarter-sawness, grain runout, knots and annular rings.
While the sonic characteristics of the tonewoods are of their primary concern, the aesthetic appearance also comes as another price-pushing factor. Hence 4-5As ratings (due to aesthetics) are pricier than wood of equal or even better sonic properties.
2) They age their 'stash'; only 5% or less of candidate logs are useful to these luthiers, hence...the price of their picks are high. SO??? HOW DO YOU GET GOOD WOOD FOR FACTORIES THAT CHURN OUT THOUSANDS????
3) Of course the sound of their guitars ARE WAY WAY WAY ahead of factory produced ones; consider the tapping, tapping, tapping from the saw mills all the way to the planning, bracing, voicing and laquering of their babies;
4) A GOOD guitar will take 8 months to two years to produce (hand-made of course); just as a Steinway takes at least a year (or was it 18 months) to come through their Long Island factory (I had an occasion to visit their production back in '93:-)
5) Private luthiers WILL NOT FINISH using catalyst-based (2-3 part components) PU nor UV-catalysed whilst CHEAPER for a serial production run; luthiers will only use lacquer or the more labor-consuming French (Shellac) finish of old;

It's like asking? Which is better - Seiko or Patek Phillippe?

Another point -

If I say that a combination of Adirondack-Madagascar RW is better than your Sitka Bearclaw-Flamed Koa. Or a German Spruce - Cocobolo body vs Adirondack - Honduran Mahogany? Or even Adirondack - Braz RW vs. German Spruce - African Blackwood......

Bottomline..... your personal 'taste' will always be the final say.


Eat a meal less each day and get your acoustic 'made'.

P.S. NEVER RELY ON A RECORDING TO EVALUATE THE GUITAR'S SOUND. - REMEMBER ------ PROTOOLS ET AL!! HAVE YOU EVER CHECKED THE RECORDING EQUIPMENT IN THE OTHER ROOM BESIDE THE VENUE WERE U DO P&W?
   
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 07, 2007, 12:40:35 PM
Hey,

Just curious, how will you know if your guitar is solid top? I have a morris from japan. I am thinking of getting a pickup for it. What do you guys suggest?

like make-silip the edge of the soundhole, if you see layers, then it's laminate. if there aren't layers, it's solid top.

as for the pickup, best for me is L.R. baggs, hehe. i've tried, fishman too, ok rin pero mas gusto ko baggs. meron din duncan, pero i haven't tried it yet. i think seymour duncan lang available dito.

TRY K & K western (mini) for steel or classic for nylons.
Highlanders IPs are of hi acclaim among the acoustic players.
Then there's the B-band from Finland.

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on June 07, 2007, 12:42:07 PM
very informative sir GGBR, hehe.

it's very fascinating how so many factors contribute to the overall tone of a guitar, i like the purity of acoustics. no pickups, no effects to color the tone, what you see is what you get. maybe on sunday i can go acoustic, depending on the song lineup.

nope i haven't seen the recording setup in the other room. though i'd love to be part of the editing in the show tito B will produce, hehe. editing and filmmaking is my second love, hehe.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 07, 2007, 12:47:12 PM
very informative sir GGBR, hehe.

it's very fascinating how so many factors contribute to the overall tone of a guitar, i like the purity of acoustics. no pickups, no effects to color the tone, what you see is what you get. maybe on sunday i can go acoustic, depending on the song lineup.

nope i haven't seen the recording setup in the other room. though i'd love to be part of the editing in the show tito B will produce, hehe. editing and filmmaking is my second love, hehe.

LET ME KNOW, I WILL BRING MY PREAMP MADE BY THE DESIGNER OF SWRs. THERE'S NO ACOUSTIC AMP OVER THERE.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Poundcake on June 07, 2007, 12:50:49 PM
hello GGBR, i just read your LONG post. it's very informative. thanks for posting! the other people here will surely benefit from it :)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 07, 2007, 12:54:17 PM
very informative sir GGBR, hehe.

it's very fascinating how so many factors contribute to the overall tone of a guitar, i like the purity of acoustics. no pickups, no effects to color the tone, what you see is what you get. maybe on sunday i can go acoustic, depending on the song lineup.

nope i haven't seen the recording setup in the other room. though i'd love to be part of the editing in the show tito B will produce, hehe. editing and filmmaking is my second love, hehe.

I SAW THE NEW EQPIUMENT FOR THAT LAST SUNDAY. HE SHOWED ME WHILE YOU WERE ALL ON THE TABLE. THE BAND ROOM WAS MADE SMALLER TO GIVE WAY TO THE EDIT EQUIPMENT. THERE ARE ACTUALLY SEVERAL G5s IN THE OTHER ROOM WHICH ARE PRACTICALLY UNUSED. IT'S ONLY JIM THAT WORKS ON ONE G5 WITH PROTOOLS IF AND WHEN HE HAS AUDIO MIXED/MASTERING TO DO. OTHERWISE...WALANG GUMAGAMIT NG MGA G5s. IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN, I SAW AT LEAST 3-4?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 07, 2007, 01:02:03 PM
very informative sir GGBR, hehe.

it's very fascinating how so many factors contribute to the overall tone of a guitar, i like the purity of acoustics. no pickups, no effects to color the tone, what you see is what you get. maybe on sunday i can go acoustic, depending on the song lineup.

nope i haven't seen the recording setup in the other room. though i'd love to be part of the editing in the show tito B will produce, hehe. editing and filmmaking is my second love, hehe.

NGA PALA K!!  REMEMBER THAT TO THESE MASTER CRAFTSMEN - LUTHIERS, THIS IS CRAFT+ART+SOUND NA!

THESE MASTERS MAKE THEIR CRAFT SOMETHING VERY PERSONAL NA....IT'S ACTUALLY MORE OF AN ART TO THEM.. PASSION + CRAFTSMANSHIP + ARTISTRY + AURAL EXCITATION - he he he
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on June 07, 2007, 01:04:54 PM
very informative sir GGBR, hehe.

it's very fascinating how so many factors contribute to the overall tone of a guitar, i like the purity of acoustics. no pickups, no effects to color the tone, what you see is what you get. maybe on sunday i can go acoustic, depending on the song lineup.

nope i haven't seen the recording setup in the other room. though i'd love to be part of the editing in the show tito B will produce, hehe. editing and filmmaking is my second love, hehe.

I SAW THE NEW EQPIUMENT FOR THAT LAST SUNDAY. HE SHOWED ME WHILE YOU WERE ALL ON THE TABLE. THE BAND ROOM WAS MADE SMALLER TO GIVE WAY TO THE EDIT EQUIPMENT. THERE ARE ACTUALLY SEVERAL G5s IN THE OTHER ROOM WHICH ARE PRACTICALLY UNUSED. IT'S ONLY JIM THAT WORKS ON ONE G5 WITH PROTOOLS IF AND WHEN HE HAS AUDIO MIXED/MASTERING TO DO. OTHERWISE...WALANG GUMAGAMIT NG MGA G5s. IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN, I SAW AT LEAST 3-4?


nice nice, very nice. we also use G5's at the office. very powerful. yeah, i'd have to see those on sunday, hehe.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 07, 2007, 03:36:27 PM
POUND & K,

Here's an acoustic archtop; hand-made; solid spruce top (don't know if its' Sitka or Engelmann); edge bound with flame maple; sides & back flame maple with paua inlay's, scratch plate, bridge are Gabon Ebony with paua inlays; fingerboards, headplates are paua inlaid & bound; neck is maple as well;

Again, this is a master luthier's workmanship. Just from the photo (taken in his house in West LA) you can already see the level of workmanship that this Django-inspired piece exudes. Archtops are usually higher priced than acoustic flatops; some tops are hand-carved from a single solid piece of spruce or maple. Archtops must have been violin-inspired.


(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G8.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G7.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G6.jpg)

paua inlays on the back with a honey (tobaco?) color
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G5.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G4.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G3.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G2.jpg)

HAND-MADE OR FACTORY CHURNED??
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 07, 2007, 03:49:24 PM
Pound & K,

Note the bridge design!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on June 07, 2007, 04:29:36 PM
very nice... very very nice... hehehe.

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 19, 2007, 08:22:58 PM
POUND & K,

Here's an acoustic archtop; hand-made; solid spruce top (don't know if its' Sitka or Engelmann); edge bound with flame maple; sides & back flame maple with paua inlay's, scratch plate, bridge are Gabon Ebony with paua inlays; fingerboards, headplates are paua inlaid & bound; neck is maple as well;

Again, this is a master luthier's workmanship. Just from the photo (taken in his house in West LA) you can already see the level of workmanship that this Django-inspired piece exudes. Archtops are usually higher priced than acoustic flatops; some tops are hand-carved from a single solid piece of spruce or maple. Archtops must have been violin-inspired.




(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G8.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G7.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G6.jpg)

paua inlays on the back with a honey (tobaco?) color
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G5.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G4.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G3.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G2.jpg)

HAND-MADE OR FACTORY CHURNED??

WOW!!! parang cnc, lupet ng craftsmanship :-)
magkano kaya???
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 20, 2007, 12:37:26 AM
My guess is upwards na ito ng $5.5K. I had an acoustic made by him and it is not as intricately inlaid and its below this amount, so baka medyo even higher than $6 ito! And deifinitely a lot of the master luthiers create guitars that would look like they were 'CNCed' - Olson, Ryan, Manzer, Cumpiano, Somogy, Froggy B, Goodall, Colling McCullom, Lowden et al. Their pieces are master-crafted, which is why it takes at the very least 6-8month to produce. I believe that most of them are plus 1 year. The would turn up their noses if you mentioned 'CNC' :-D. My lutheir said that CNCed guitar "have no soul!!", sabi nya factory-made are terrible!, ha ha ha. He is often in China designing and teach 'the idiots' (sabi nya!) who don;t know how to make guitars. He designe the well-rated SX (Essex?) brand.  (sa atin atin an lang ito haah, baka umabot sa PRC, he he).  I would think that the pride and heart of master-lutheiry would definitely be reflected in the product as well as the aural experience that you go thru"
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 21, 2007, 08:26:45 AM
can you post your guitar that he custom made... kamusta naman ang tunog....
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 21, 2007, 08:49:47 AM
My spruce /maple group....

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1198/577929186_d03a1e0098.jpg?v=0)

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1352/577929180_454a6b6d93.jpg?v=1182386036)
70' guild F50, 03' taylor 614ce, 94' gibson the everly

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1235/577929170_d69911d199.jpg?v=1182386090)
taylor 614ce

yun taylor walang soul :-D :-D :-D
yun guild at gibson terrible :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: jebs on June 21, 2007, 12:43:24 PM
grabe yng talyor! grand auditorium guitar. tsk tsk very very nice..
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 21, 2007, 11:26:46 PM
grabe yng talyor! grand auditorium guitar. tsk tsk very very nice..

The taylor sounds nice, until you hear the guild f50 :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: AngstRidden on June 23, 2007, 12:37:13 AM
Mga sirs, quick question lng po. Ano po ba mga differences in terms of sound with different body type guitars? Yng mga dreadnough, concert, OOO, OM, etc aside from being louder than the other?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on June 23, 2007, 01:19:53 AM
Mga sirs, quick question lng po. Ano po ba mga differences in terms of sound with different body type guitars? Yng mga dreadnough, concert, OOO, OM, etc aside from being louder than the other?

dreadnoughts have a more boomy, loose type of sound na very good for rhythm kasi mas makapal and bassy yung tunog nya, great for strumming and rhythm work. yung concert, 000 and OM very similar yang mga yan, it has a tighter, more focused sound na less bassy, mas trebly or middy, more suitable sha for plucking kasi mas litaw yung mga notes, and despite the size, a good OM, 000 sized guitar can project pa rin.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 23, 2007, 08:34:50 AM
The classic dread by design is boomy... the new martin d28 is not, non scalloped bracing kasi... my santa cruz dread naman is voiced to have a balance sound, assymetric yun pagka shave ng bracing... kaya maganda rin siya for fingerpicking... pinaka boomy yun martin d41 ko followed by the hd28, mafeefeel mo yun yanig...

OMs are more middy, mas magcucut sa mix... the old 000 w/ the shorter scale neck mas meaty ang sound, but less tight compared w/ the OM

Concert size mas maliit pa, built for finger style

may parlour size pa.... at jumbo :-) :-) :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: jamesroy on June 23, 2007, 11:48:10 AM
Old washburn acoustic gutiars with brazilian rosewood are very good sounding, pati alvarez acoustics..
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 23, 2007, 05:03:42 PM
wow, have you tried ye old washburns.... anong year
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 25, 2007, 08:41:50 AM
can you post your guitar that he custom made... kamusta naman ang tunog....

I dont have a photo of my guitar (very old german spruce top, cocobolo back/sides. braz rw bridge+fingerboard+headplate, honduran neck) as I sent it back for refinish & re-binding with flamed maple (similar to the acrhctop work in previous posts). I did not like the sunburst finish. It's being done in natural.

Sounds good - a lot of overtones which is expected of German spruce & cocobolo (which I was told has a better 'Q' than braz rw). I cannot of course say the level of 'goodness' as that will all depend on personal preferences. But will have to wait a year to open up.

Here's another guitar which is by him as well. Except for the soundhole & pikgard, the shape, and size would very much be the same. This one is Engelmann top & Braz RW thruout (cocobolo pikgard)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/02.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/04.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/08.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/11.jpg)

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 25, 2007, 09:13:43 AM
I dont like the design on this one... parang pilit.... the blue one, is really nice... malaki ba talaga difference ng tone ng braz, cocobolo at IRW??? perception ko kasi kung mayroon man, very subtle :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 26, 2007, 01:23:26 AM
I dont like the design on this one... parang pilit.... the blue one, is really nice... malaki ba talaga difference ng tone ng braz, cocobolo at IRW??? perception ko kasi kung mayroon man, very subtle :-)

Not my taste either. His influence is Russian/Slavic, hence...

It would be very difficult to compare sound. To be able to tell the difference, would be best if you could have the same type of construction (same guitar design) but with varying backs/sides that you'd like to compare. all things being equal would allow such a comparison.

I've only been able to hear rw's in various models/makes. Personally, I prefer backs/side with RWs. The mahogany's are warm and woody & strong in the middle. Koa is also quite punchy in the mids & hi's. These would be good for strumming and vocal accompaniment. The rw's lend to fingerpicking - for my personal taste.

The Taylor BRW presentation with Engelmann top does not impress me as so different. Impressive inlays and the simple country-western design of Bob Taylor. The cocobolo (supposedly has a higher "Q" than BRW) with german spruce exudes very good shimmering overtones and is considerably warm, good for fingerpicking. It'll have to wait a year for it to open. The parlor with 10- 16 annular rings top with back/sides (I believe is) IRW, (I am not certain but could be another south american rw) has an absolutely beautiful warm punch and ringing with overtones adn very strong projection. It hasn't opened up as yet. (strings are J. Pearse).

I would be ideal to buy at least four guitars which will compliment varied music styles. Buy the guitar if it impresses you. It does not have to be a name, the ear should always be the best judge. But barring price issues, the best buys would invariably be hand-made by reputable luthiers - Collings, Goodall, Ryan!, Wiengert, Cumpiano, McIroy, Froggy Bottom and of course Sta. Cruz. But if you prefer off-the shelf, classic Martins would be fine as well as Taylors- I hear the models prior to 1998 are known to have better sounds. It would still be a plus though to have them in your arsenal.

Btw, marami nang China/Korean made which can give the US off-the-shleves a run. You just need patience to wait for the right one to appear in you favorite shop; do a lot of testing.


P.S. ---I don't even play..... :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 26, 2007, 01:49:15 AM
buti youre also an acoustic enthusiast... lately nababaon nalang tong thread na to :-D :-D :-D

Yeah, kanya kanya lang talaga yan... ive tried some goodalls, collings, and lowdens... i fell in love w/ a jumbo goodall w/ maple body, napaka mahal lang... to my ears my guild 70' f50 is at par w/ it , among the lowdens naman i was impressed w/ the cheaper cedar topped jumbo mahogany... the collings are great, mas kadikit ang martins, but their dreads seem to be more open sounding and their om naman are very focused... yun santa cruz, more balanced... very light yun built, but comparing it w/ a similar martin, mas maliit ang headroom ng scgc... may zing factor din ang scgc, very balance...

Di natin nababangit ang gibsons, lol... but honestly, ive tried a couple of great sounding jumbos (2 out of 10)... and the robert johnson model was one of the best guitars ive tried during my last visit in a big guitar store.... i was surprised napakaliit pero feel na feel mo yun sound...

Taylors are ok, but not really great :-D :-D :-D

On chinese made guitars... the blueridge range are wonderful considering their price... pero iba pa rin yun mga martins... i  was pretty excited to try the GAD guilds but was disappointed... kala ko since all solid sila, baka maayos na...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 26, 2007, 01:53:23 AM


The mahogany's are warm and woody & strong in the middle. Koa is also quite punchy in the mids & hi's. These would be good for strumming and vocal accompaniment. The rw's lend to fingerpicking - for my personal taste.



Same observation :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on June 26, 2007, 02:45:37 AM
I dont like the design on this one... parang pilit.... the blue one, is really nice... malaki ba talaga difference ng tone ng braz, cocobolo at IRW??? perception ko kasi kung mayroon man, very subtle :-)

Not my taste either. His influence is Russian/Slavic, hence...

It would be very difficult to compare sound. To be able to tell the difference, would be best if you could have the same type of construction (same guitar design) but with varying backs/sides that you'd like to compare. all things being equal would allow such a comparison.

I've only been able to hear rw's in various models/makes. Personally, I prefer backs/side with RWs. The mahogany's are warm and woody & strong in the middle. Koa is also quite punchy in the mids & hi's. These would be good for strumming and vocal accompaniment. The rw's lend to fingerpicking - for my personal taste.

The Taylor BRW presentation with Engelmann top does not impress me as so different. Impressive inlays and the simple country-western design of Bob Taylor. The cocobolo (supposedly has a higher "Q" than BRW) with german spruce exudes very good shimmering overtones and is considerably warm, good for fingerpicking. It'll have to wait a year for it to open. The parlor with 10- 16 annular rings top with back/sides (I believe is) IRW, (I am not certain but could be another south american rw) has an absolutely beautiful warm punch and ringing with overtones adn very strong projection. It hasn't opened up as yet. (strings are J. Pearse).

I would be ideal to buy at least four guitars which will compliment varied music styles. Buy the guitar if it impresses you. It does not have to be a name, the ear should always be the best judge. But barring price issues, the best buys would invariably be hand-made by reputable luthiers - Collings, Goodall, Ryan!, Wiengert, Cumpiano, McIroy, Froggy Bottom and of course Sta. Cruz. But if you prefer off-the shelf, classic Martins would be fine as well as Taylors- I hear the models prior to 1998 are known to have better sounds. It would still be a plus though to have them in your arsenal.

Btw, marami nang China/Korean made which can give the US off-the-shleves a run. You just need patience to wait for the right one to appear in you favorite shop; do a lot of testing.


P.S. ---I don't even play..... :-D


i was hunting for a fingerstyle guitar for a while and tried Collings, St. Cruz, Goodall and Froggy Bottoms. I eventually decided on a large bodied Model F4 from Andrew White, a small but up-and-coming luthier out in Virginia whose guitars are unique, have unbelievable volume and really fit my idea of a great acoustic tone. Andrew deals with each sale personally and has guitars available at shops around the country that you can try to get a good idea of what he has to offer.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 26, 2007, 09:08:33 AM
checked out the vids on his site.... what can i say??? great choice...  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: stringman on June 26, 2007, 09:41:53 AM
Just recently acquired a Yamaha FG-151 any recommended strings?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on June 26, 2007, 09:51:36 AM
Btw, marami nang China/Korean made which can give the US off-the-shleves a run. You just need patience to wait for the right one to appear in you favorite shop; do a lot of testing.[/size]

glad to hear this.  i thought my ears were playing tricks on me...  :-) 

where would you guys put the Morris (eg, F20)  and the vintage MIJ acoustics in terms of tone and quality? 


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P.S. ---I don't even play..... :-D

i volunteer to play and test your guitars, sir. :-)   Moriss F20 lang akin e.

farseer - we need to push ahead with the acoustic tone party. sali si sir ggbr.  sabihin mo lang availability mo...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 26, 2007, 12:47:59 PM

farseer - we need to push ahead with the acoustic tone party. sali si sir ggbr.  sabihin mo lang availability mo...


I am very much into acoustic guitar music now. I have been in touch with some US solo guitarists. In fact received invites to their shows within the area where we reside (in the US). One among them is Doug Smith, a Grammy awardee for movie scoring. He said that he has never been here. I;ve actually asked if he would be interested to comeover (mukhang di nya alam kung saan(ano) ang Pilipinas). I had the chance here to talk with Antonio Forcione  during his clinic sponsored by the British Embassy. I was very please with the show and clinic that he conducted and had renewed optimism on the the possibility of a new following for acoustics.

I would like to see more Pinoy acoustic guitar players that would follow the likes of Al Petteway, Dykes. D. Smith, Juber, Muriel Anderson. Emmanuel, Peter Finger, Gerhard...etc..etc. WHY? - I see that the music & instrument they (acoustic players) immerse themselves in provide very litttle (room) for follie and mediocrity. Rinig na rinig mo yung raw virtuosity nila. The most efx that these "purists" would go for are either a little eq and reverb. They  are I would venture to say on the "classical" realm of performance. Whilest on the other hand electronics may somehow provide some "masking".

We have, I  am CERTAIN, tons and tons of raw talents (na mas GAGALING PA SA MGA DAYUHAN!!! exposure exposure ang kailangan nila!!!) that just need to BE HEARD and given "APPROVAL" by fellow Pinoys. Maraming mga electric players dyan na pag binigyan mo ng acoustic guitar (mas mahal nga lang) eh baka "ma floor" ka sa raw "galingness" nila. 

I have more senior friends into pure acoustics -i.e.  Caloy Rufo (father of the more popular son), Ernie Delgado - mga purists into. Let's bring PURE BACK!!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 26, 2007, 01:07:47 PM
Di natin nababangit ang gibsons, lol... but honestly, ive tried a couple of great sounding jumbos (2 out of 10)... and the robert johnson model was one of the best guitars ive tried during my last visit in a big guitar store.... i was surprised napakaliit pero feel na feel mo yun sound...

Taylors are ok, but not really great :-D :-D :-D

kasi ang Gibson, na overshadow na lahat ng produkto nya dahil sa LEs PAul nila!!Wala na tuloy tumitingin sa mga acoustic nila. While they made models for the King, and several "sinaunang" country-western stars, di ba? i.i Gene Autrey, ROy Rogers, et al.....

On Taylors - a friend form NY performed last night at Strumms with the mainstay (friends-also band). He brough along his newly acquire cheap Taylor 310 CE. Sitka bearclawed top with mahogany back/sides. I was quite impressed with the tone that this baby sang with. Of course it would be hard to recall to compare all the other Koas, RWs and Sapeles & Bubingas that I strummed on at Guitar Center (just like when you start sniffing perfume in a department store and go onto the next brand and the next...) you would not really be able to discern anymore from "acoustic overwhelmnation". But this cheap series was quite a buy!!. This friend Chito Dakay, who does James Taylors and Amreica etc, will be the happy hour 6PM  guest performer at Chaquicos', Makati Ave this Friday before Wally Gonzales takes the prime set. Wally said he may jam on James Taylor's Steamroller blues.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: tuyuta on June 26, 2007, 01:38:46 PM
pede bang maisingit ang acoustic amps dito?

i'm thinking of buying either an ibanez troubador TA35(35w, 1x10", 13Kless5%), or a laney LA65C(65w, 2x8", 17Kless20%). i've only tried the TA20 version (wala yung TA35 that time), ok sya para sakin. but the laney have more power, and both amps have good reviews sa harmony. mag sched din ako to test the laney. pero baka may mga naka try na sa inyo.

maraming salamats
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 26, 2007, 01:59:12 PM
pede bang maisingit ang acoustic amps dito?

i'm thinking of buying either an ibanez troubador TA35(35w, 1x10", 13Kless5%), or a laney LA65C(65w, 2x8", 17Kless20%). i've only tried the TA20 version (wala yung TA35 that time), ok sya para sakin. but the laney have more power, and both amps have good reviews sa harmony. mag sched din ako to test the laney. pero baka may mga naka try na sa inyo.

maraming salamats

Kung Laney yan, JB ang distributor nila dito di ba? I have tried only the following - SWR's Califonia Blonde and Strawberry Blonde BUT the better acoustic amp are the AERs. JB is the local distributor.

So far, sa pagkakaalam ko at sa narinig ko din, talgang ang AER ay superior ngayon. Meron mga ibang matatas rin ang rating at halos hati ang price, gaya ng - Ultrasound 50 & Acoustic Image Clarus. Meron akong gamit na acoustic preamp made by the designer of SWRs, it's a Raven Lab PMB II preamp, very very handy and excellent sound to connect to mixers and even into a combo acoustic amp.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on June 26, 2007, 02:01:49 PM
pede bang maisingit ang acoustic amps dito?

i'm thinking of buying either an ibanez troubador TA35(35w, 1x10", 13Kless5%), or a laney LA65C(65w, 2x8", 17Kless20%). i've only tried the TA20 version (wala yung TA35 that time), ok sya para sakin. but the laney have more power, and both amps have good reviews sa harmony. mag sched din ako to test the laney. pero baka may mga naka try na sa inyo.

maraming salamats

i currently use an AER compact 60 for solo acoustic gigs. I like them.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on June 26, 2007, 02:09:45 PM
checked out the vids on his site.... what can i say??? great choice...  :-)

farseer - Andrew is a really nice guy. I stopped by his shop while I was out east late last year to check out his guitars. I had heard of him before but had never played his guitars. I really favor mahogany/ cedar guitars and explained to him what tone I was really interested in a guitar. The dude didn't have a mahogany based guitar on hand but mentioned that he knew he had one in a shop in Cincinnati that fit my model of choice-the F4. The guy pulled the guitar out from the Ohio dealer's inventory and had it in his shop in a few days for me to try out. The shape of his guitars are unique and comfortable but what got me was the volume and the response to a player's dynamic. I have a very percussive fingerstyle playing method and his pieces fit me to a tee.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: tuyuta on June 26, 2007, 02:16:39 PM
pede bang maisingit ang acoustic amps dito?

i'm thinking of buying either an ibanez troubador TA35(35w, 1x10", 13Kless5%), or a laney LA65C(65w, 2x8", 17Kless20%). i've only tried the TA20 version (wala yung TA35 that time), ok sya para sakin. but the laney have more power, and both amps have good reviews sa harmony. mag sched din ako to test the laney. pero baka may mga naka try na sa inyo.

maraming salamats

Kung Laney yan, JB ang distributor nila dito di ba? I have tried only the following - SWR's Califonia Blonde and Strawberry Blonde BUT the better acoustic amp are the AERs. JB is the local distributor.

So far, sa pagkakaalam ko at sa narinig ko din, talgang ang AER ay superior ngayon. Meron mga ibang matatas rin ang rating at halos hati ang price, gaya ng - Ultrasound 50 & Acoustic Image Clarus. Meron akong gamit na acoustic preamp made by the designer of SWRs, it's a Raven Lab PMB II preamp, very very handy and excellent sound to connect to mixers and even into a combo acoustic amp.


yes sir, JB/salonga ang distributor.  hangang sa ganung price range lang ako sir. di kaya yung AER. i won't bother trying them out kasi tutulo lang laway ko, at iiyak dahil walang pambili. ehehehe.

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 26, 2007, 02:33:10 PM

yes sir, JB/salonga ang distributor.  hangang sa ganung price range lang ako sir. di kaya yung AER. i won't bother trying them out kasi tutulo lang laway ko, at iiyak dahil walang pambili. ehehehe.[/quote]

Oo nga eh, medyo di ka na kakain ng ilang buwan kung pagiipunan yung AER. Eh yung Alpha, magkano na ba? baka pwede mo pang pagipunan. Dahil talgang sa experience ko sa gamit sa mga live performances, yung Compact 60 kahit sa room na may 200 katao, sumisgaw sya at walang paos!! Tatlo kasi yung galing sa JB - alpha , compact 60 at acousticube at walang sisi. Yun lang medyo gutom talaga kung pupursigihin mo ang magandang tono. Di ko alam ang Laney sa acoustic kasi, ang mga Laney gamit namin ay puro de tubong pang lead kasi kay di ko alam pag sa acoustic. oo nga pala subukan mo ring yung Elliot na acoustic. Oo nga pala magada rin yung acoustic ng Crate dalhil subok namin yung 2 models nya. Ewan lang kung meron ang JB ng Crate acoustic.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: tuyuta on June 26, 2007, 02:40:30 PM
pinaka mura yung alpha, nasa 51K.  and walang crate ang JB.  very limiting talaga ang budget. ehehehe.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 26, 2007, 03:38:08 PM
pinaka mura yung alpha, nasa 51K.  and walang crate ang JB.  very limiting talaga ang budget. ehehehe.

NGAYON KO LANG NAALALA TUYUTA. GO TO AUDIOPHILE AND ASK ABOUT THE HARTKE ACOUSTIC AMP. P17K LANG ATA AND IT'S 75 WATTS!! ETO NAKITA KO ON THE WEB AT NGAYON KO LANG NA REMEMBER. I WAS IN AUDIOPHILES MAIN STORE IN PACO ABOUT A MONTHA GO AT BAGONG DATING LANG ITONG HARTKE ACOUSTI NILA. MURA PA!

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Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 26, 2007, 03:51:56 PM
pinaka mura yung alpha, nasa 51K.  and walang crate ang JB.  very limiting talaga ang budget. ehehehe.

Sorry Tuyuta, Audiophile's price for the Hartke AC75 (75 watts) is P24K less 8% bout P21K. The AC150 (150 watts) is P31K less pa.[/size]
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: tuyuta on June 27, 2007, 02:07:49 PM
yes sir, yung brown/gold hartke. nung nalaman ko yung price, nawala na interest ko. ehehehe.

salamats sa infos
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 27, 2007, 10:15:48 PM
yes sir, yung brown/gold hartke. nung nalaman ko yung price, nawala na interest ko. ehehehe.

salamats sa infos

di ko alam ang sound ng Laney acoustic, but if the sound of the HArtke 75 will be much more pleasing to you and talagang mas hihigit sa Laney, postpone mo na lang yung pagbili mo hanggang makaipon ka ng addtional 6k pa para dun sa Hartke. In the end, sa pag tiis mo, mas satisfied ka rin....kunting panahon na lang yan....at di gaanong tataas ang dollar na kaya di ko expected na tataas pa ang price ng mga imports. besides, di gaanong maraming mga bumibili ng acoustic amps...remember price is a function of demand!!

PS---di ako rep ng AP hah! kaibigan ko lang sila....
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 28, 2007, 12:24:11 AM
pede bang maisingit ang acoustic amps dito?

i'm thinking of buying either an ibanez troubador TA35(35w, 1x10", 13Kless5%), or a laney LA65C(65w, 2x8", 17Kless20%). i've only tried the TA20 version (wala yung TA35 that time), ok sya para sakin. but the laney have more power, and both amps have good reviews sa harmony. mag sched din ako to test the laney. pero baka may mga naka try na sa inyo.

maraming salamats

i currently use an AER compact 60 for solo acoustic gigs. I like them.

The aer 60 is really solid... first time ive tried one, was surprised how loud and clear it sounded... very nice :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 28, 2007, 12:30:57 AM
checked out the vids on his site.... what can i say??? great choice...  :-)

farseer - Andrew is a really nice guy. I stopped by his shop while I was out east late last year to check out his guitars. I had heard of him before but had never played his guitars. I really favor mahogany/ cedar guitars and explained to him what tone I was really interested in a guitar. The dude didn't have a mahogany based guitar on hand but mentioned that he knew he had one in a shop in Cincinnati that fit my model of choice-the F4. The guy pulled the guitar out from the Ohio dealer's inventory and had it in his shop in a few days for me to try out. The shape of his guitars are unique and comfortable but what got me was the volume and the response to a player's dynamic. I have a very percussive fingerstyle playing method and his pieces fit me to a tee.


hope i could try one of his guitars someday... ganda ng tone :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on June 28, 2007, 01:51:31 AM
The aer 60 is really solid... first time ive tried one, was surprised how loud and clear it sounded... very nice :-)

it is. small too. the unit does not have too many frills and gadgets but i prefer my amplification clean anyway. the only time i ever use effects for acoustic is when i need a bit of delay or flange for specific song passages. inside a small cafe or jazz bar, the AER 60 is more than adequate.

andrew white's guitars are really nice. i do a lot of fingerstyle stuff and his guitars really fit my playing style well. its good to know that i will have something else to play and rotate for gigs other than my Alvarez Yairi guitars because I'd hate to really subject them too much to travel in the winter time.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: schnitzerz4 on June 28, 2007, 08:35:31 AM
guys naririnig ko nga itong small cube na AER the best daw sabi ng JB okay nga ba sya? 40K plus eh hehehe mahal pa sa Marshall acoustic amp na nakadisplay sa pitch parksquare din =)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: tuyuta on June 28, 2007, 02:24:22 PM
yes sir, yung brown/gold hartke. nung nalaman ko yung price, nawala na interest ko. ehehehe.

salamats sa infos

di ko alam ang sound ng Laney acoustic, but if the sound of the HArtke 75 will be much more pleasing to you and talagang mas hihigit sa Laney, postpone mo na lang yung pagbili mo hanggang makaipon ka ng addtional 6k pa para dun sa Hartke. In the end, sa pag tiis mo, mas satisfied ka rin....kunting panahon na lang yan....at di gaanong tataas ang dollar na kaya di ko expected na tataas pa ang price ng mga imports. besides, di gaanong maraming mga bumibili ng acoustic amps...remember price is a function of demand!!

PS---di ako rep ng AP hah! kaibigan ko lang sila....

price diff of P7.7K to be exact sir. tempting, pero ang hirap ijustify yung ganung amount. bahala na. i'm gonna buy pagkapanganak ni misis this july. kung magkano matitira. ehehehe.

i'm wondering why acoustic amps use 5"-8" woofers. i'm thinking is it because of fidelity? my HT uses 6.5" woofers only. boomy na yung 8" up. though i use a 10" subwoofer. is this the same sa principle ng amp-making ng acoustic? kaya ba 5" yung hartke ac75 & ac150?

salamats
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 28, 2007, 10:03:20 PM


price diff of P7.7K to be exact sir. tempting, pero ang hirap ijustify yung ganung amount. bahala na. i'm gonna buy pagkapanganak ni misis this july. kung magkano matitira. ehehehe.

i'm wondering why acoustic amps use 5"-8" woofers. i'm thinking is it because of fidelity? my HT uses 6.5" woofers only. boomy na yung 8" up. though i use a 10" subwoofer. is this the same sa principle ng amp-making ng acoustic? kaya ba 5" yung hartke ac75 & ac150?

salamats
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Naku Tutyuta, pamilyado ka pala! Eh unless(!!) ito ay isang investment (gagamitin para kumita, ma roll mo for increasing current level of income) then go for it BUT kung luho lang eh mukhang dapat mo munang isipin ng Xs bese bago laanan ng PPPs. Eh manganganak pala misis mo. Daming reponsibilidad yan. Just a word to make you reasses your finances & of course yung sitwaysyon mo. Baka maging source of marital distress at conflict itong pagbili mo kung sakaling alangan.. Marami pa namang kasi lalabas na mga bagong produkto dyan. Alam mo na man na lahat ito ay marketing ng mga Kano!! Wag ka madali, marami pa dyan.

Now, reagrding use of 8" for such amplification, di ko alam ang rason talga. It could be the economies of scale in terms of serial production in factories, it could be a design advantage so that maging compact nga yung Compact 60 at Alpha. It could also be acoustic, dahil napupuna ko na ang mga near-field monitors mga 8" ata ginagamit. At ang 8" na yan ay full range driver. Baka rin dahil sa dapat mas warm ang tunog. Baka rather than using small tweeters matched with a large subs (12"-15") which may not do justice to the supposed warmer harmonics of producing 'woodsy" sounds. I know that small drivers (1"-2") produce sharp sounds so baka di maganda sa acoustic. I am not certain if the AER amps use the AER line of speakers which are made in Stuttgart, WG. Mahal ang mga 8" driver nun upwards of $1K each!! And are employed in home audiophiles sytems.  We also use the AERs for the electric violin (compact 60) & the 'silent' cello (acousticube). If you can get the Crate nga pala, I remember that it was going for about P13-17K when we got those about 3 yrs ago. I'm sure di pa nagtaas yun. Maganda rin tunog nung Crate at meron pa syang 4 or 5-band EQ.

There is another brand of excellent acoustic speakers & as well as combos for acoustics. Medyo hi-end rin sya. Brand is Daedalus. Yung pinaka flagship nilang baffle (1203 ata??) has (if I recall correctly)  1x 1-.25" fabric dome tweeter made by Vifa, 2x 5" mid/sub driver (custom-made in the US by I'don't know for Daedalus) and 2x 12" sub by Emminence Omega Pro. Daedalus is geared for reproducing accurate acoustic music. Read up on them as you may find out the reasons for using certain sized drivers for specific applications. Also go to the Emminence site which can even help you design the driver enclosure with their volume calculator for specific driver's specs.Kung ako saiyo mag project ka at maghanap ka nung mga lumang di-tubong amps!! bumuo ka ng system mo, slow but maganda! Patience ang puhunan mo dito. I can refer you to mga local geniuses who reproduce those venerable tube amps.

Bumili ka ng acoustic preamp at maghanap ka ng lumag de-tubong amp (50 watts) then into a JBL baffle. OR get a good acoustic preamp, then directly plug into a powered baffle such as the Mackie SRMs or JBL EONS or mas mura pang B3s or Behringers. Ang Behringers ay dito lahat denedesign sa Salcedo village ng ating mga magagaling na Pinoy EEs!!! SA China ang pagawaan. Pero dito ang mga utak!!!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on June 29, 2007, 07:47:02 AM
medyo OT but potentially useful info:  i'm thinking of selling my Marshall AS100D acoustic amp.  it may be another option you could explore.  it's loaded with features and sounds good and loud.  feel free to try (West Fairview, QC).  PM me or txt 09178473047 if interested.  :-)

sorry... now back to regular programming...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: quiverpool on July 02, 2007, 03:31:48 PM
pede bang maisingit ang acoustic amps dito?

i'm thinking of buying either an ibanez troubador TA35(35w, 1x10", 13Kless5%), or a laney LA65C(65w, 2x8", 17Kless20%). i've only tried the TA20 version (wala yung TA35 that time), ok sya para sakin. but the laney have more power, and both amps have good reviews sa harmony. mag sched din ako to test the laney. pero baka may mga naka try na sa inyo.

maraming salamats

i currently use an AER compact 60 for solo acoustic gigs. I like them.

The aer 60 is really solid... first time ive tried one, was surprised how loud and clear it sounded... very nice :-)

I can attest to the power of the AER compact 60... if you are buying an AER go for the compact 60 kasi meron 2nd channel for mic or another guitar... kung medyo out of reach.. yung Ultrasound maganda 'daw'.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on July 03, 2007, 11:56:01 AM
buti youre also an acoustic enthusiast... lately nababaon nalang tong thread na to :-D :-D :-D

Yeah, kanya kanya lang talaga yan... ive tried some goodalls, collings, and lowdens... i fell in love w/ a jumbo goodall w/ maple body, napaka mahal lang... to my ears my guild 70' f50 is at par w/ it , among the lowdens naman i was impressed w/ the cheaper cedar topped jumbo mahogany... the collings are great, mas kadikit ang martins, but their dreads seem to be more open sounding and their om naman are very focused... yun santa cruz, more balanced... very light yun built, but comparing it w/ a similar martin, mas maliit ang headroom ng scgc... may zing factor din ang scgc, very balance...

I am certain that you travel to the US and would do so to CA. When you do, I strongly suggest that you drop by an EXCELLENT guitar shop (founded by musicians & luthiers - FRANK FORD!!) named Gryphon Stringed Instruments. It's very near our place & so is conveniently accessible. Their segmentation is acoustic and the employees (I believe almost ALL of them) are active musicians employing products they merchandise. It was from them that I learned of the AER. Visit their website and from the inventory, you will be able to glean why I comment as such. They KNOW their stuff, and are not into just lip service. If you have any acoustic modifications, repairs or installations, I would not hesitate to bring it to them. Experts to-the-word!

There is another (truly a PRO) luthier/repair in the middle of San Fo who maintains Joe S's guitars and used to for alive Gerry Garcia, another shop that I WOULD DEFINITELY recommend to you. It's rather hidden but well know among the pros. I purchased a few items from him and he would replace anything without any question. He/they referred me to Richard Mclish (RMC), Oakland (or Berkeley, if I remember correctly) supplier of Godin and other known makers with pickups employed separately for each string (useful for Midi/synth outs). If you so decide to visit San Fo, I can send you his business card as I have a dozen to give out to clients who would be able to use his services. Richard McLish trusts him alone to install RMC/polydrive system on acoustics. (though kalimutan mo itong system for any acoustic, di maganda ang tunog :-D, your better off with - 1) K & K westerns for steel, classics for nylon 2) B-band, 3) Highlander IP series 4) LR Baggs 5) AER AK-15...  or if you prefer micing, use the AKG 416 series, Joe Mills or if you are willing to spend(!) then use DPA (from Denmark, it was Patti Andres who introduced me to this mic, it's her standard vocal mic for performances).

If you want to spend on a preamp, definitely go for the PENDULUM SPS-1 nothing beats this (AT THIS MOMENT), use a TC Electronic efx or (if you have more money a Helicon would be fine). Feed into a Lab Gruppen power amp  :evil: :-D then into a speaker box (say Daedalus!  :evil: :roll: :wink: :-D ). James Taylor, Al Petteway, Will Ackerman & co will envy you!!! And use ZAOLLA OR LAVA (POUNDACKE REMINDED ME OF THIS BRAND, OUTRAGEOUSLY OUTRAGEOUS IN PRICE) CABLES ....  But seriously Mogami should be excellent, I gifted some musician (pro) friends and they never went back to they old from-the-shops cables.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Poundcake on July 03, 2007, 12:49:45 PM
POUND & K,

Here's an acoustic archtop; hand-made; solid spruce top (don't know if its' Sitka or Engelmann); edge bound with flame maple; sides & back flame maple with paua inlay's, scratch plate, bridge are Gabon Ebony with paua inlays; fingerboards, headplates are paua inlaid & bound; neck is maple as well;

Again, this is a master luthier's workmanship. Just from the photo (taken in his house in West LA) you can already see the level of workmanship that this Django-inspired piece exudes. Archtops are usually higher priced than acoustic flatops; some tops are hand-carved from a single solid piece of spruce or maple. Archtops must have been violin-inspired.


(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G8.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G7.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G6.jpg)

paua inlays on the back with a honey (tobaco?) color
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G5.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G4.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G3.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G2.jpg)

HAND-MADE OR FACTORY CHURNED??

oh my goodness... KILLER guitar!!! i wish i could try one of his works...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on August 29, 2007, 11:27:25 PM
errr.... another acoustic :-D

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1307/1228107824_40f4eb47f6.jpg?v=1188011902)

Lowden F32

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on August 29, 2007, 11:37:46 PM
errr.... another acoustic :-D
Lowden F32

AAAAHHHH!!! (not errr...) A not very commercial but excellent luthier... Lowden. His protege McIlroy (was in charge of his production) who works out of Ireland is now already commanding DOUBLE for his own signature guitars about $4k per from just about $1.9-2+ a few months back!!

That piece looks like it is IRW for back & sides; Cedar (or Spruce?- he uses Swiss Spruce as soundboard). It does not appear dark enough to be cedar.

I doubt if anybody else would have one in the country. It must sound great!! And should "outsound" the higher-end series of Martin and Taylor anytime!!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on August 30, 2007, 12:02:41 AM
BB has a lowden too... O12 model if my memory serves me right... i tested several lowdens several years ago and was very much impresed... just very expensive, cheapest model (O12 i think... cedar/mahogany) was around 130k pesos... Im lucky to get this used F32 at a nice price... but i still prefer those O12s though....
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on August 30, 2007, 12:13:07 AM
BTW, top is cedar... medyo bright lang pagkakuha ko :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on August 30, 2007, 12:57:49 AM
BB has a lowden too... O12 model if my memory serves me right... i tested several lowdens several years ago and was very much impresed... just very expensive, cheapest model (O12 i think... cedar/mahogany) was around 130k pesos... Im lucky to get this used F32 at a nice price... but i still prefer those O12s though....

Am not acquainted as to hu BB is. I am not really knowlegeable on Lowdens except for his fame amongst well-known acoustic artists who employ his works. And their testimonies of his pieces are nothing less than of praise.
P130 should not be expensive for a hand-made piece vs. the $2k-3k factory-made from the known factories.

That will exceed the sound of any high-end factory-made ones surely! One will EASILY tell the difference of a master luthier's work from that of a factory, both in sound and feel!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on August 30, 2007, 01:24:31 AM
BTW, top is cedar... medyo bright lang pagkakuha ko :-)

Owning a Lowden reveals that you know REAL acoutic guitars, it would be presumable that you would stretch investment in your hobby to even more 'exotic' purchases...

You may like to try looking into the luthiers admired by fellow master luthiers; in the following order (I doubt if you can get your order out within 5 years) here goes -

     1) Ervin Somogyi (of Russian origin)
     2) Kim Walker
     3) Boaz Alkhayam (Israeli)

and for excellence in structure/construction - McPherson guitars. - this luthier, I believe was employed as a structural engr as was Ryan Kevin (aero engineer(?))

goes without saying - unparalleled sound!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on August 30, 2007, 04:07:21 AM
anyone play or into Michael Greenfield guitars? I've played one of his guitars, a G2, and I fell in love with it - amazing tone. I fingerpick a lot and the guitar lends itself well to fingerpickers as well flatpickers. If I were to pick up another acoustic, a Greenfield would be my first choice.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on August 30, 2007, 11:29:15 PM
Am not acquainted as to hu BB is. I am not really knowlegeable on Lowdens except for his fame amongst well-known acoustic artists who employ his works. And their testimonies of his pieces are nothing less than of praise.
P130 should not be expensive for a hand-made piece vs. the $2k-3k factory-made from the known factories.

That will exceed the sound of any high-end factory-made ones surely! One will EASILY tell the difference of a master luthier's work from that of a factory, both in sound and feel!


The lowden is really special... sweet sounding, and articulate... but i also like my martin D41 w/ its boomy/bassy tone... so it all boils down to preference... and mood :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on August 30, 2007, 11:40:51 PM
Owning a Lowden reveals that you know REAL acoutic guitars, it would be presumable that you would stretch investment in your hobby to even more 'exotic' purchases...

You may like to try looking into the luthiers admired by fellow master luthiers; in the following order (I doubt if you can get your order out within 5 years) here goes -

     1) Ervin Somogyi (of Russian origin)
     2) Kim Walker
     3) Boaz Alkhayam (Israeli)

and for excellence in structure/construction - McPherson guitars. - this luthier, I believe was employed as a structural

engr as was Ryan Kevin (aero engineer(?))

goes without saying - unparalleled sound!



These are expensive... wala pa ako sa ganyan level... i might get a collings, goodall, merrill or a froggy next...  and maybe pag nanalo sa lotto try some olsons, kevin ryans and other master luthiers that you mentioned... you are lucky exposed ka sa high end stuff... :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on August 30, 2007, 11:43:20 PM
mcphersons sound great also... i just dont like the way it looks :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on August 31, 2007, 12:19:58 AM
These are expensive... wala pa ako sa ganyan level... i might get a collings, goodall, merrill or a froggy next...  and maybe pag nanalo sa lotto try some olsons, kevin ryans and other master luthiers that you mentioned... you are lucky exposed ka sa high end stuff... :-)

Froggy Bottom would be a winner along with Collings & Hawain Goodall; but Kevin & Olson tend to be I hear a bit over priced for their true value. Olson's claim to fame is due to JT.

I guess you can that the exposure has been there not by want but by being born into a family of music lovers. I think it's more eqiupment lovers. :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on August 31, 2007, 12:35:19 AM
These are expensive... wala pa ako sa ganyan level... i might get a collings, goodall, merrill or a froggy next...  and maybe pag nanalo sa lotto try some olsons, kevin ryans and other master luthiers that you mentioned... you are lucky exposed ka sa high end stuff... :-)

farseer, are you a fingerpicker? if so, the Collings and Goodall would be great fits. I tried the Froggys but they didn't lend themselves well to my hands.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on August 31, 2007, 09:32:12 AM
farseer, are you a fingerpicker? if so, the Collings and Goodall would be great fits. I tried the Froggys but they didn't lend themselves well to my hands.

yup, fingerpicker... talaga, i havent tried a froggy yet... the jumbo goodalls ive tried b4 were really big sounding and 3d yun tapon, sa collings naman, i kinda liked the D1A or the OM2a... anyways, pagpunta ko diayn sa tate, ill try all of em, basta abot sa budget.... have you been to the podium in minnesota??? parang ang sarap sadyain :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on August 31, 2007, 09:39:51 AM
Froggy Bottom would be a winner along with Collings & Hawain Goodall; but Kevin & Olson tend to be I hear a bit over priced for their true value. Olson's claim to fame is due to JT.

I guess you can that the exposure has been there not by want but by being born into a family of music lovers. I think it's more eqiupment lovers. :-D

Yeah, nagmahal yun olson because of him... i think instruments by jeff trauott are more expensive than olsons, or about the same price... parang its crazy to spend 25k bucks upwards plus 3-5 years of waiting time for these instruments :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on August 31, 2007, 09:41:35 AM
yup, fingerpicker... talaga, i havent tried a froggy yet... the jumbo goodalls ive tried b4 were really big sounding and 3d yun tapon, sa collings naman, i kinda liked the D1A or the OM2a... anyways, pagpunta ko diayn sa tate, ill try all of em, basta abot sa budget.... have you been to the podium in minnesota??? parang ang sarap sadyain :-)

I have been to the Podium but, hands down, my favorite guitar store is Gruhn Guitars in Nashville.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on August 31, 2007, 09:44:39 AM
Did you notice that these luths tend to stay away from the dreadnaught design... ive seen some dreads from olson, but very few... and are considerably cheaper than other body shape :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on August 31, 2007, 09:48:00 AM
I have been to the Podium but, hands down, my favorite guitar store is Gruhn Guitars in Nashville.

hindi ba mas mahal sa gruhn??? ive checked the prices at the podium, medyo mas mababa... and they sell the demo units w/ additional 20-30% discount... napaghahalatang KURIPOT :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 03, 2007, 09:15:12 PM
any thoughts on an acoustic w/ koa body??? im thinking of getting one... parlor size :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 03, 2007, 09:46:05 PM
any thoughts on an acoustic w/ koa body??? im thinking of getting one... parlor size :-)

Good 'ol GOODALL from the land of Macadamia does wonders with that variety of Acacia! After all, he popularized the wood since he resides in the Ilocano state of HI. :-D You may also wish to look at Taylor's T5 and his new sets of K series. I received an news update more than a month ago where he shows his latest sets of this wood for his K & GS series (I believe). A guitar with top, sides & back all book-matched from the same flitch would be a stunner!

May I suggest looking into a Jumbo or SJ body to compensate for the hi midiness of the tonal range of the Koa so that you get also a bigger bottom? Unless you will mainly use the instrument for rhythm and vocal backups, then... But then, you may want to look into a Uke made of it since the instrument originates from there. Check out Jake Shimabokuro on the Youtube...Absolute virtuosity!!! He will inspire to get one!! Let your guitar (or rather Uke) gently weep!!

Have a good sound of an evening! :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 04, 2007, 02:44:44 PM
hi everyone...i must say i spent the whole day in the office reading all the pages of this thread.  made me learn how much i still don't know about the acoustic guitar.  ever since high school, acoustic guitar player na ko, i don't know why.  parang nirereject ng fingers ko ang electric.  hehehe!  8-)

currently, i own an ovation tangent with op30 preamp and a zoom 504II acoustic.  it has done the job for me for the past 3 years (i'm 22!).  now that i'm starting to work, i think i can start to save for a good quality acoustic.  based on what i've read here, i know i'm a very long way from achieving a good acoustic sound.  and hirap mag-ipon eh!  hehehe!  :lol:

anyway, i'm planning on upgrading my gear.  i'm setting my eyes on a seagull s6 folk cedar.  i'm also planning to buy an AD-3 to back-up this guitar.  i'm more into fingerstyle and fingerpicking.  but i also do strumming since i also sing while playing.

please tell me what you think guys.  my target budget is PHP40k for the guitar.  any better suggestions?

thanks!  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 04, 2007, 03:42:11 PM
hi everyone...i must say i spent the whole day in the office reading all the pages of this thread.  made me learn how much i still don't know about the acoustic guitar.  ever since high school, acoustic guitar player na ko, i don't know why.  parang nirereject ng fingers ko ang electric.  hehehe!  8-)
currently, i own an ovation tangent with op30 preamp and a zoom 504II acoustic.  it has done the job for me for the past 3 years (i'm 22!).  now that i'm starting to work, i think i can start to save for a good quality acoustic.  based on what i've read here, i know i'm a very long way from achieving a good acoustic sound.  and hirap mag-ipon eh!  hehehe!  :lol:

anyway, i'm planning on upgrading my gear.  i'm setting my eyes on a seagull s6 folk cedar.  i'm also planning to buy an AD-3 to back-up this guitar.  i'm more into fingerstyle and fingerpicking.  but i also do strumming since i also sing while playing.

please tell me what you think guys.  my target budget is PHP40k for the guitar.  any better suggestions?

thanks!  8-)

HEY! SO AM I STILL LEARNING SO MUCH!! STILL DO NOT KNOW MANY THINGS I WOULD NEED TO.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO SPEND A FORTUNE ON U.S. LABOR. THERE ARE A FEW KOREAN OR CHINA MADE ACOUSTICS WITH SOUNDS THAT CAN EQUAL THOSE OF THE THOUSAND $$ US COUNTERPARTS.

WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT IS THAT YOU KNOW THE SOUND THAT IT MUST CREATE FOR YOU (EXPOSURE); WHAT PARTICULAR STYLE OF PLAYING YOU DO STRUMMING, PLUCKING/FINGERPICKING; THE KIND OF MUSIC YOU PLAY (FOLK, BLUEGRASS, COUNTRY, ACOUSTIC SOLOS,ETC. ETC.)

LISTEN, LISTEN, LISTEN, AND LISTEN MORE...BEFORE DECIDING ON THE GUITAR SOUND FOR YOUR EARS AND FINGERS. THERE ARE BEAUTIFUL SOUNDING GUITARS IN THE MUSIC SHOPS IN THE POPULAR MALLS THAT ARE MADE IN ASIA. BUT ALWAYS CHECK, TRY IT, AND RE-CHECK. OR ASK ONE WHO IS QUITE FAMILIAR WITH GUITARS (HAVING A WIDE EXPOSURE & OF COURSE THE 'EAR'). LOOK AT THE TOP IF IT IS SOLID (CHECK THE SOUND HOLE EDGE FOR THIS) SPRUCE OR CEDAR, THE TOP PRODUCES 90% OF YOUR SOUND; CHECK THE SIDES/BACK, SOLID IS ALWAYS PREFERED TO PLY; ALWAYS CHECK THE NECK ANGLE TO THE BRIDGE ---BRING A STRAIGHT EGDE (24") AND LAY ITS EDGE ON THE FRETBOARD AND SLIDE IT TOWARDS, TILL IT TOUCHES THE BRIDGE, IDEALLY THE EGDE OF THE RULER SHOULD JUST SLIDE OVER THE TOP OF THE BRIDGE. IF IT POINTS DOWN (BELOW THE BRIDGE TOP ---OOOPS, SOMETHING MAY BE WRONG!), IF IT JUST A TAD BIT OVER THE TOP, IT STIL IS OK.

BUT CHECK, LISTEN , FEEL AND LISTEN.

YOU CAN EVEN START ON A BUDGET OF P7-8K FOR A CHINA/KOREAN GUITAR. AM CERTAIN YOU WILL GET MORE SUGGESTIONS AFTER THIS POST. HAVE A GOOD 'SOUND' OF AN AFTERNOON!!
 
:-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 04, 2007, 04:01:42 PM
please tell me what you think guys.  my target budget is PHP40k for the guitar.  any better suggestions?

thanks!  8-)

If you are in a shopping mode, I can personally assist you in your choice but send me a private message so we can schedule a visit to the store. If you know of an acoustic artist that might be personally known to me, then we might just be able to ask him to tag along to check out the candidate guitar so that we can all see if it's worth the buy!.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 04, 2007, 05:39:05 PM
Good 'ol GOODALL from the land of Macadamia does wonders with that variety of Acacia! After all, he popularized the wood since he resides in the Ilocano state of HI. :-D You may also wish to look at Taylor's T5 and his new sets of K series. I received an news update more than a month ago where he shows his latest sets of this wood for his K & GS series (I believe). A guitar with top, sides & back all book-matched from the same flitch would be a stunner!

May I suggest looking into a Jumbo or SJ body to compensate for the hi midiness of the tonal range of the Koa so that you get also a bigger bottom? Unless you will mainly use the instrument for rhythm and vocal backups, then... But then, you may want to look into a Uke made of it since the instrument originates from there. Check out Jake Shimabokuro on the Youtube...Absolute virtuosity!!! He will inspire to get one!! Let your guitar (or rather Uke) gently weep!!

Have a good sound of an evening! :-D



I really want a Goodall, medyo kulang pa ang budget,,, ive tried a 30th anniv koa  taylor, stunning woods... but average only in the tone department.... im actually looking at a larrivee' koa parlor and a tacoma sj...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 04, 2007, 05:45:04 PM
HEY! SO AM I STILL LEARNING SO MUCH!! STILL DO NOT KNOW MANY THINGS I WOULD NEED TO.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO SPEND A FORTUNE ON U.S. LABOR. THERE ARE A FEW KOREAN OR CHINA MADE ACOUSTICS WITH SOUNDS THAT CAN EQUAL THOSE OF THE THOUSAND $$ US COUNTERPARTS.

WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT IS THAT YOU KNOW THE SOUND THAT IT MUST CREATE FOR YOU (EXPOSURE); WHAT PARTICULAR STYLE OF PLAYING YOU DO STRUMMING, PLUCKING/FINGERPICKING; THE KIND OF MUSIC YOU PLAY (FOLK, BLUEGRASS, COUNTRY, ACOUSTIC SOLOS,ETC. ETC.)

LISTEN, LISTEN, LISTEN, AND LISTEN MORE...BEFORE DECIDING ON THE GUITAR SOUND FOR YOUR EARS AND FINGERS. THERE ARE BEAUTIFUL SOUNDING GUITARS IN THE MUSIC SHOPS IN THE POPULAR MALLS THAT ARE MADE IN ASIA. BUT ALWAYS CHECK, TRY IT, AND RE-CHECK. OR ASK ONE WHO IS QUITE FAMILIAR WITH GUITARS (HAVING A WIDE EXPOSURE & OF COURSE THE 'EAR'). LOOK AT THE TOP IF IT IS SOLID (CHECK THE SOUND HOLE EDGE FOR THIS) SPRUCE OR CEDAR, THE TOP PRODUCES 90% OF YOUR SOUND; CHECK THE SIDES/BACK, SOLID IS ALWAYS PREFERED TO PLY; ALWAYS CHECK THE NECK ANGLE TO THE BRIDGE ---BRING A STRAIGHT EGDE (24") AND LAY ITS EDGE ON THE FRETBOARD AND SLIDE IT TOWARDS, TILL IT TOUCHES THE BRIDGE, IDEALLY THE EGDE OF THE RULER SHOULD JUST SLIDE OVER THE TOP OF THE BRIDGE. IF IT POINTS DOWN (BELOW THE BRIDGE TOP ---OOOPS, SOMETHING MAY BE WRONG!), IF IT JUST A TAD BIT OVER THE TOP, IT STIL IS OK.

BUT CHECK, LISTEN , FEEL AND LISTEN.

YOU CAN EVEN START ON A BUDGET OF P7-8K FOR A CHINA/KOREAN GUITAR. AM CERTAIN YOU WILL GET MORE SUGGESTIONS AFTER THIS POST. HAVE A GOOD 'SOUND' OF AN AFTERNOON!!
 
:-)


thanks Sir GGBR for the very informative reply.  personally i don't know much about all-wood acoustic guitars since my two guitars are both ovations (the first is an applause i bought when i was in 1st yr HS).  i've always wanted an all-wood guitar but my 1st guitar (a Lumanog A/E) was punctured by my input jack when i accidentally tilted my guitar.   :cry: hehe!  pumasok ung jack sa loob nung input kaya nasira.  since then, i went for ovations para matibay.

i think i'm ready to handle an all-wood guitar again.  thanks for the great tips such as looking at the top and the sound hole, as well as bringing a 24" edge to check the neck!  i never thought of those!   8-)

thanks and i hope more will share their suggestions and comments!  more power!   8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 04, 2007, 05:45:40 PM
hi everyone...i must say i spent the whole day in the office reading all the pages of this thread.  made me learn how much i still don't know about the acoustic guitar.  ever since high school, acoustic guitar player na ko, i don't know why.  parang nirereject ng fingers ko ang electric.  hehehe!  8-)

currently, i own an ovation tangent with op30 preamp and a zoom 504II acoustic.  it has done the job for me for the past 3 years (i'm 22!).  now that i'm starting to work, i think i can start to save for a good quality acoustic.  based on what i've read here, i know i'm a very long way from achieving a good acoustic sound.  and hirap mag-ipon eh!  hehehe!  :lol:

anyway, i'm planning on upgrading my gear.  i'm setting my eyes on a seagull s6 folk cedar.  i'm also planning to buy an AD-3 to back-up this guitar.  i'm more into fingerstyle and fingerpicking.  but i also do strumming since i also sing while playing.

please tell me what you think guys.  my target budget is PHP40k for the guitar.  any better suggestions?

thanks!  8-)

yeah... another acoustic enthusiast.... konti lang tayong naguusap usap dito... :-D, pati yun thread starter, mas electric na- :-D

if you have 40k, stay away from the seagull s6, look for a used martin, guild, gibson, larrivee, and maybe a taylor... i can help you out, just PM... :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 04, 2007, 06:05:49 PM
If you are in a shopping mode, I can personally assist you in your choice but send me a private message so we can schedule a visit to the store. If you know of an acoustic artist that might be personally known to me, then we might just be able to ask him to tag along to check out the candidate guitar so that we can all see if it's worth the buy!.


thanks for the offer Sir GGBR!  but i think i'll be able to reach my target budget in at least 2-3 months.   8-)  i'm still not halfway in my savings.   :cry:

but many thanks for the offer sir!  i know some acoustic artists since i really watch their gigs during the boom of acoustic music and they also know me by name.  is it ok to mention their names in here?  hehehe!  :lol:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 04, 2007, 06:11:46 PM
yeah... another acoustic enthusiast.... konti lang tayong naguusap usap dito... :-D, pati yun thread starter, mas electric na- :-D

if you have 40k, stay away from the seagull s6, look for a used martin, guild, gibson, larrivee, and maybe a taylor... i can help you out, just PM... :-)


thanks Sir Farseer for the suggestion!  but i'm really a little far from my target budget as of the moment.  i think it will take at least 2-3 months..  :cry:

si Sir Kulas mas electric na?  hehe! cguro kc mas mrami tlgang dimensions to explore sa electrics.  but i just can't get myself to use one for a whole gig.   :lol:  parang my fingers are not meant for an electric.   :-)

there are used high-end guitars here Sir Farseer?  when i was reading your thread, i was having the impression na nasa abroad ka...kasi ang gaganda ng mga guitars mo and u get to try guitars that can only be bought outside the philippines.  mukhang maganda nga ung suggestion to get used martins instead of a brand new seagull.  pero ndi ba ok ang seagull since canadian made naman?

thanks again!  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Lahed92801 on September 04, 2007, 06:20:35 PM
My favorite acoustic is my Yamaha CGX-111SCA  :-D

(http://images.carlosjesena.multiply.com/image/11/photos/8/500x500/2/IMG_2173.JPG?et=g1eXBYpcXFYA%2C8VPMmLF0w)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 04, 2007, 06:31:26 PM
My favorite acoustic is my Yamaha CGX-111SCA  :-D

(http://images.carlosjesena.multiply.com/image/11/photos/8/500x500/2/IMG_2173.JPG?et=g1eXBYpcXFYA%2C8VPMmLF0w)


ganda ng guitar sir!  mukhang freshly-bought pa kasi may mga tali pa sa floors!   :-D

mga bros, alam nyo ba ung latest na nilabas ng yamaha for acoustic guitars?  ung APX/CPX 900?  i dropped by yupangco just recently and i saw their new editions of the APX/CPX on display.  these guitars have two sub-pickups designed specifically to capture the low and high frequencies nung guitar.  tpos meron pang main pickup for the master volume and a 3-band eq.  looks promising dba?  but i haven't tried one dun sa store yet.  and the price of the guitar is around 40k.   8-)

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Lahed92801 on September 04, 2007, 06:33:42 PM

ganda ng guitar sir!  mukhang freshly-bought pa kasi may mga tali pa sa floors!   :-D

mga bros, alam nyo ba ung latest na nilabas ng yamaha for acoustic guitars?  ung APX/CPX 900?  i dropped by yupangco just recently and i saw their new editions of the APX/CPX on display.  these guitars have two sub-pickups designed specifically to capture the low and high frequencies nung guitar.  tpos meron pang main pickup for the master volume and a 3-band eq.  looks promising dba?  but i haven't tried one dun sa store yet.  and the price of the guitar is around 40k.   8-)



Ok siya pare, pero the piezo sounds kinda "plastic" if you know what i mean. My CGX is a good alternative, though  :-D Also check out the CX na may piezo for a cheaper alternative  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 04, 2007, 06:48:47 PM
Ok siya pare, pero the piezo sounds kinda "plastic" if you know what i mean. My CGX is a good alternative, though  :-D Also check out the CX na may piezo for a cheaper alternative  :-D


ah tlga?  kc the idea of a sub-pickup for low and high is really promising eh.   :-D  ganda pakinggan pag sinabi eh...hehehe!   :lol:

nylon ang CGX mo dba sir?  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: audioslave on September 04, 2007, 07:40:30 PM
ako gusto ko ng solid cedar yung top malamig ang tunog takaw dings and dent nga lang kahit kuko mo babaon
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 04, 2007, 08:44:10 PM

thanks Sir Farseer for the suggestion!  but i'm really a little far from my target budget as of the moment.  i think it will take at least 2-3 months..  :cry:

si Sir Kulas mas electric na?  hehe! cguro kc mas mrami tlgang dimensions to explore sa electrics.  but i just can't get myself to use one for a whole gig.   :lol:  parang my fingers are not meant for an electric.   :-)

there are used high-end guitars here Sir Farseer?  when i was reading your thread, i was having the impression na nasa abroad ka...kasi ang gaganda ng mga guitars mo and u get to try guitars that can only be bought outside the philippines.  mukhang maganda nga ung suggestion to get used martins instead of a brand new seagull.  pero ndi ba ok ang seagull since canadian made naman?

thanks again!  8-)

3 yrs ago i was able to get a martin 00016rgte (may top crack) for 37k and a martin 00015 mint cond for 30k... marami pang ibang examples, like a gibson j100 extra brand new from rj for only 35k, and a used gibson blues king for 35k.... at present medyo mas mahal na pasahan.... but w/ 40k, i think you can get an all solid guitar na... yun seagull na minention mo uses cherry as back and sides... not really typical... ive also tried a higher end seagull (artist series ata), i wast impressed... matigas tumunog :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Lahed92801 on September 04, 2007, 09:04:40 PM

ah tlga?  kc the idea of a sub-pickup for low and high is really promising eh.   :-D  ganda pakinggan pag sinabi eh...hehehe!   :lol:

nylon ang CGX mo dba sir?  8-)

Yes

When i bought it i practiced classical 7 hours a day from that day onwards  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 04, 2007, 10:07:58 PM
3 yrs ago i was able to get a martin 00016rgte (may top crack) for 37k and a martin 00015 mint cond for 30k... marami pang ibang examples, like a gibson j100 extra brand new from rj for only 35k, and a used gibson blues king for 35k.... at present medyo mas mahal na pasahan.... but w/ 40k, i think you can get an all solid guitar na... yun seagull na minention mo uses cherry as back and sides... not really typical... ive also tried a higher end seagull (artist series ata), i wast impressed... matigas tumunog :-)

MAXI, DO LISTEN HERE ABOVE. I CANNOT MAKE ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THE SEAGULL (- IS I BELIEVE AN OFFSHOOT OF EITHER GODIN OR WAS IT LARIVEE, ALL CANADIAN ORIGINS; LARIVEE IS VERY AFFORDABLE AND GOOD VALUE!!) AS IT IS DISTRIBUTED BY PEOPLE KNOWN TO ME. THE OTHER JAP BRAND IS BETTER BUT.... I WILL SEND YOU A PRIVATE MESSAGE NOW!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 04, 2007, 10:23:40 PM
Also Maxi, do check and evaluate thoroughly pre-installed onboard preamps which are usually of China origins. The only Asian-made preamp which I have learned to consider due to its being the OEM of some US known brands is ARTEC. THey are VERY well rated. Check Harmony-Central. Otherwise, I will recommend only at the moment the AER AK-15 UST (under the saddle) + condener mic package available at JB. VERY VERY reasonable for it's NAME and tonal quality. For pickups, it would be best to have external preamps. Consider the following brands which are tops in the acoustic fields - K & K (Western mini), Highlander (IP series), LG Baggs I-beam, B-band from Finland, or Pickup The World. These are used by the pros.

Have good sound of an evening!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 04, 2007, 10:39:32 PM
@farseer

thanks for the advice...i think i'm gonna stay away from them seagulls.   :lol:  kaya ko sila na-consider kc since it's with godin naman, i thought they would sound ok.  but, as Sir GGBR said, i should listen to ur advice.  thanks!   8-)

@Lahed92801

i hope u continue ur classical guitar bro!  i started classical guitar when i was 12yrs old.  cguro back then at that age i really can't appreciate the music that i'm producing!  hehehe!  but godspeed to you bro!   8-)

@GGBR

thanks for the advice on the guitars as well as the pickups.  but i somewhat didn't get the meaning of the pickup acronyms u mentioned.  i wasn't able to read ur private message since i'm still in the office..yahoo mail is blocked here!  hehehe!  but i will try to read it as soon as i am able!  again, thanks very much!   8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on September 04, 2007, 10:47:45 PM
suggest naman kayo maganda external acoustic preamp na available dito sa pinas. am looking into adi-21, hartke acoustic attack, or the bbe acoustimax kasi..
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 05, 2007, 07:58:29 AM
@GGBR

thanks for the advice on the guitars as well as the pickups.  but i somewhat didn't get the meaning of the pickup acronyms u mentioned.  i wasn't able to read ur private message since i'm still in the office..yahoo mail is blocked here!  hehehe!  but i will try to read it as soon as i am able!  again, thanks very much!   8-)

Those were not acronyms. They are the actual names/brands of pickups.

"Surf and you will find."

Remember this! The names which do not sound familiar ARE...THE NAMES to recon with.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 05, 2007, 08:56:27 AM
Those were not acronyms. They are the actual names/brands of pickups.

"Surf and you will find."

Remember this! The names which do not sound familiar ARE...THE NAMES to recon with.


those were not acronyms?  hehehe!  makes me realize how unfamiliar i am with acoustic gear.  :|

thanks for the great advice sir!  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 05, 2007, 08:59:51 AM
Also Maxi, do check and evaluate thoroughly pre-installed onboard preamps which are usually of China origins. The only Asian-made preamp which I have learned to consider due to its being the OEM of some US known brands is ARTEC. THey are VERY well rated. Check Harmony-Central. Otherwise, I will recommend only at the moment the AER AK-15 UST (under the saddle) + condener mic package available at JB. VERY VERY reasonable for it's NAME and tonal quality. For pickups, it would be best to have external preamps. Consider the following brands which are tops in the acoustic fields - K & K (Western mini), Highlander (IP series), LG Baggs I-beam, B-band from Finland, or Pickup The World. These are used by the pros.

Have good sound of an evening!


i have some questions on this sir.  :?

so if i try out these preamps, does that mean i have to buy an acoustic that has no preamp/pickup to begin with?  as in pure acoustic lang?  so that these preamps will be installed subsequently nalang?   :?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on September 05, 2007, 09:41:50 AM

i have some questions on this sir.  :?

so if i try out these preamps, does that mean i have to buy an acoustic that has no preamp/pickup to begin with?  as in pure acoustic lang?  so that these preamps will be installed subsequently nalang?   :?

ey bro, for me that's the better way to go, hehe. buy a good sounding acoustic guitar (without a pickup) then saka mo bilhan ng mga pickups and preamps. that way, kung acoustic lang hanap mo to begin with, you'll buy the better sounding ones (acoustically) so then pag nilagyan mo na ng pickup, most likely maganda pa rin tunog ng acoustic mo amplified.

ako baggs boy ako, sobrang recommended ko yun. yung AER ni GGBR maganda rin. i have my reservations sa fishman naman, hehe. get an outboard preamp, para hindi mo na butasan yung acoustic.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 05, 2007, 09:47:36 AM
nagbalik na si kulas :-D

+1 sa sinabi mo bro
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: schnitzerz4 on September 05, 2007, 09:49:47 AM
yup AER the best kahit ako nagulat =)

thanks nga pala kay sir GGBR sa tips =)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 05, 2007, 09:53:38 AM
ey bro, for me that's the better way to go, hehe. buy a good sounding acoustic guitar (without a pickup) then saka mo bilhan ng mga pickups and preamps. that way, kung acoustic lang hanap mo to begin with, you'll buy the better sounding ones (acoustically) so then pag nilagyan mo na ng pickup, most likely maganda pa rin tunog ng acoustic mo amplified.

ako baggs boy ako, sobrang recommended ko yun. yung AER ni GGBR maganda rin. i have my reservations sa fishman naman, hehe. get an outboard preamp, para hindi mo na butasan yung acoustic.


thanks Sir Kulas!  i was waiting for your reply sa mga posts ko.   :lol:

that was what i was thinking sir...para ndi masyadong mahal, i would buy an acoustic guitar without a preamp tpos kabitan nalang.  how do outboard preamps work sir?  and do u need a separate pickup for these outboard preamps?   :?

thanks very much!  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on September 05, 2007, 10:03:16 AM

thanks Sir Kulas!  i was waiting for your reply sa mga posts ko.   :lol:

that was what i was thinking sir...para ndi masyadong mahal, i would buy an acoustic guitar without a preamp tpos kabitan nalang.  how do outboard preamps work sir?  and do u need a separate pickup for these outboard preamps?   :?

thanks very much!  8-)

well, first of all, you need a pickup. yun talaga yung kailangan mo muna install sa acoustic mo. get a passive pickup/transducer then pakabit mo sa acoustic mo. then next is for you to buy an outboard preamp, outboard meaning it isn't installed directly into your acoustic. yung outboard preamp na yung pinaka-tone shaping/boost/sometimes DI box mo. it shapes the sound of the pickup you installed. in my case, i have a baggs para acoustic DI/preamp bale it boosts the signal of my ribbon transducer, then adds EQ controls, notch filter and presence.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 05, 2007, 10:14:53 AM
well, first of all, you need a pickup. yun talaga yung kailangan mo muna install sa acoustic mo. get a passive pickup/transducer then pakabit mo sa acoustic mo. then next is for you to buy an outboard preamp, outboard meaning it isn't installed directly into your acoustic. yung outboard preamp na yung pinaka-tone shaping/boost/sometimes DI box mo. it shapes the sound of the pickup you installed. in my case, i have a baggs para acoustic DI/preamp bale it boosts the signal of my ribbon transducer, then adds EQ controls, notch filter and presence.


pag nag-install ng pickup sir, dba bubutasan parin ung gitara for the input?  yun kasi ung slight fear ko...hindi pa ko nakakapag-customize ng gitara.  ung likod nga ng ovation ko ndi ko pa mabuksan kahit screw lng yun..hehehe!   :lol:

sori kung mejo slow sa uptake...this is very new stuff for me.  thanks!   8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 05, 2007, 10:18:25 AM
Max,

Kulas is the acoustic master....his words are the 'law'....
:-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 05, 2007, 10:23:18 AM
Max,

Kulas is the acoustic master....his words are the 'law'....
:-)

tumpak :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on September 05, 2007, 10:25:46 AM

pag nag-install ng pickup sir, dba bubutasan parin ung gitara for the input?  yun kasi ung slight fear ko...hindi pa ko nakakapag-customize ng gitara.  ung likod nga ng ovation ko ndi ko pa mabuksan kahit screw lng yun..hehehe!   :lol:

sori kung mejo slow sa uptake...this is very new stuff for me.  thanks!   8-)

yeah, bubutasan sha. both under the saddle and on the endpin. but those are very discreet compared to making a hole on the top side of your guitar to fit a small box in. usually the output jacks are fitted sa endpin eh. and hindi naman ikaw yung gagawa nun yourself. of course sa lutihier na.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 05, 2007, 10:28:26 AM
Max,

Kulas is the acoustic master....his words are the 'law'....
:-)


kaya nga i was waiting for his replies sa mga previous posts ko eh!   :lol:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 05, 2007, 11:04:12 AM
yeah, bubutasan sha. both under the saddle and on the endpin. but those are very discreet compared to making a hole on the top side of your guitar to fit a small box in. usually the output jacks are fitted sa endpin eh. and hindi naman ikaw yung gagawa nun yourself. of course sa lutihier na.

thanks for the advice sir!  ano pong mga magagandang pickup brands here in the philippines?  and meron po bang pickup na hindi nakakabit sa soundhole?  i want the front of my guitar to be immaculate kasi as much as possible.   8-)

thanks very much!   :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on September 05, 2007, 12:45:26 PM
thanks for the advice sir!  ano pong mga magagandang pickup brands here in the philippines?  and meron po bang pickup na hindi nakakabit sa soundhole?  i want the front of my guitar to be immaculate kasi as much as possible.   8-)

thanks very much!   :-)

yup the under-saddle pickups i was talking about are very discreet, hehe. nilalagay sha sa ilalim ng saddle. so pag hindi sha plugged, you wouldn't think that it had a pickup.

yun lang, the sad thing here in the philippines, hindi readily available yung mga magagandang acoustic pickups. the only ones being sold here are AER and seymour duncan. i don't know kung may distributor ng fishman or martin or l.r. baggs dito. dati meron pero nagsara na.

teka maxi, ano ba guitar mo?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 05, 2007, 12:54:30 PM
yup the under-saddle pickups i was talking about are very discreet, hehe. nilalagay sha sa ilalim ng saddle. so pag hindi sha plugged, you wouldn't think that it had a pickup.

yun lang, the sad thing here in the philippines, hindi readily available yung mga magagandang acoustic pickups. the only ones being sold here are AER and seymour duncan. i don't know kung may distributor ng fishman or martin or l.r. baggs dito. dati meron pero nagsara na.

teka maxi, ano ba guitar mo?


ovation tangent, multi-sound hole with OP30 pickup.

but i'm planning to buy an all-wood pag nakaipon...im thinking mga 2-3 months at the least.  i received so many useful comments and suggestions in this thread, particularly kina Sir GGBR and Sir Farseer.   :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on September 05, 2007, 12:57:59 PM

ovation tangent, multi-sound hole with OP30 pickup.

but i'm planning to buy an all-wood pag nakaipon...im thinking mga 2-3 months at the least.  i received so many useful comments and suggestions in this thread, particularly kina Sir GGBR and Sir Farseer.   :-D

how much is your budget? hehehe.

bilhin mo na lang isa sa mga guild ni farseer, hehehe. sulit yun, diba doc? or get one old japanese made acoustic guitars from pier, then restore mo. so far i've liked the tones of the old acoustics from japan, kahit hindi sha solid wood, for some reason maganda tunog nila, hehe.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 05, 2007, 01:05:20 PM
how much is your budget? hehehe.

bilhin mo na lang isa sa mga guild ni farseer, hehehe. sulit yun, diba doc? or get one old japanese made acoustic guitars from pier, then restore mo. so far i've liked the tones of the old acoustics from japan, kahit hindi sha solid wood, for some reason maganda tunog nila, hehe.

P40k po target budget.  TARGET palang Sir Kulas!  hehehe!  kaya at least 2-3months before ako makaipon ng ganong cash.  iniisip ko ung installment basis kaya ko na-mention sa previous threads ko ung Seagull S6 sa PP.  kc dba pag sale dun pwedeng 0% installment payment?  para hindi isang buhusan..hehe!  but sbi ni Sir Farseer pag may ganung budget daw ako, stay away from seagulls.  mejo matigas daw ung tunog ng mga hi-end seagulls.  he recommended na bumili ako ng used martins, taylors and other used hi-ends.

what you think Sir Kulas?   8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Poundcake on September 05, 2007, 01:17:34 PM
Max,

Kulas is the acoustic master....his words are the 'law'....
:-)

But you are still our tonewood master, GGBR! Kidding :)

maxi_musikero, mahirap maghanap ng saktong guitar especially with a tight budget, pero just test and test so that you'll be able to find that diamond in the rough. The Fernando acoustic guitar that GGBR brought before sounded really good; even the harmonics were spot-on :)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 05, 2007, 01:34:56 PM
But you are still our tonewood master, GGBR! Kidding :)

maxi_musikero, mahirap maghanap ng saktong guitar especially with a tight budget, pero just test and test so that you'll be able to find that diamond in the rough. The Fernando acoustic guitar that GGBR brought before sounded really good; even the harmonics were spot-on :)


tlga Sir Poundcake?  i tried some fernandos before with so many defects...like ang higpit ng tuning keys, fret buzzing, the like.  but hindi ko pa na-try ung new models ngayon sa jb.  i've tried valencia guitars and they sound good, kaya lng nylon. 

is my budget still tight sir?  if i'm going to try to increase my target budget, it will take a little longer for me to get a new guitar.  hehehe!  :lol:

thanks sir!  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Poundcake on September 05, 2007, 01:52:55 PM
May nagbebenta dito ng used Taylor 310-CE a few months back ah... P55k negotiable ata ang price nya. Test mo yun! :)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 05, 2007, 02:59:03 PM
Sir Kulas, sbi mo sa mga previous posts mo you prefer dreadnought sa acoustics?  ano po ba difference nya sa grand auditorium styles when plugged?   8-)

i visited the taylor website and i'm eyeing the 210e or 214e.  the 210e is a dread while the 214e is grand audi.  solid sitka spruce top and laminated indian rosewood.  what do you people think of the wood?  what sound can these types of wood produce?   :?

@Sir Poundcake, ok din ung suggestion nyo for the 2nd hand 310e.  kaya lang wala pa kong cash.  thanks po for the info!  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on September 05, 2007, 10:55:55 PM
Sir Kulas, sbi mo sa mga previous posts mo you prefer dreadnought sa acoustics?  ano po ba difference nya sa grand auditorium styles when plugged?   8-)

i visited the taylor website and i'm eyeing the 210e or 214e.  the 210e is a dread while the 214e is grand audi.  solid sitka spruce top and laminated indian rosewood.  what do you people think of the wood?  what sound can these types of wood produce?   :?

@Sir Poundcake, ok din ung suggestion nyo for the 2nd hand 310e.  kaya lang wala pa kong cash.  thanks po for the info!  8-)

no it's not that i prefer dreadnoughts over other body shapes, i actually like the OM shape eh, hehe. si farseer ang mahilig sa big bodied acoustics, hehe. plugged in, halos pare-pareho na nalg tumunog yung mga yan, unless may internal condenser mic yung mga pickup systems nila.

hmm, might i advise against the 100/200 series taylors? hindi naman sa panget sila. but if you're going for the big brands then get a solid topped/laminated back/sides one, might as well buy ibanez artwoods na lang or the takamines at JBmusic. if you're going high end, go for the real deal na, yung solid top/back/sides. big difference i tell you. don't shell out the big bucks for a semi-solid acoustic which happens to have a brand name on it. try to save some more and buy at least a 500 series taylor, or a 16 series martin. or even a blueridge guitar, hehe.

sa woods naman...

spruce tops tend to be bright, cedar tops are mostly warmer. mahogany back and sides are more punchy and tight sounding, rosewood back and sides are darker, bigger sounding.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 06, 2007, 09:04:48 PM
no it's not that i prefer dreadnoughts over other body shapes, i actually like the OM shape eh, hehe. si farseer ang mahilig sa big bodied acoustics, hehe. plugged in, halos pare-pareho na nalg tumunog yung mga yan, unless may internal condenser mic yung mga pickup systems nila.

hmm, might i advise against the 100/200 series taylors? hindi naman sa panget sila. but if you're going for the big brands then get a solid topped/laminated back/sides one, might as well buy ibanez artwoods na lang or the takamines at JBmusic. if you're going high end, go for the real deal na, yung solid top/back/sides. big difference i tell you. don't shell out the big bucks for a semi-solid acoustic which happens to have a brand name on it. try to save some more and buy at least a 500 series taylor, or a 16 series martin. or even a blueridge guitar, hehe.

sa woods naman...

spruce tops tend to be bright, cedar tops are mostly warmer. mahogany back and sides are more punchy and tight sounding, rosewood back and sides are darker, bigger sounding.


thanks so much Sir Kulas!  i'm currently researching the best and less expensive combination for me.  i'm assessing my options if i'm going to go for a pure acoustic tpos external nalang ang preamp or to go for an acoustic/electric.

thanks acoustic gurus!  more power to us!   8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 07, 2007, 10:46:05 AM
haha, nahilig nga ako sa dreads... because of their big sound :-D... but right now im more into the small jumbo design... mas nagagamit ko yun gibson the everly and the lowden f32... more balance, big sounding ang low/mid/high... unlike the martin D41 and guild F50 na accentuated talaga yun lows, na ooverpower yun highs... :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: kawal on September 07, 2007, 11:57:36 AM
eh sir farseer, anong masasabi mo sa mga parlor guitars na kapantay ng 12th fret yung dugtong ng neck at body? adam levi, guitarist ni norah jones uses a dread and a parlor, both martin; and he explained na malaki ang difference nila sa tone na napo-produce.
(bili ka na kasi ng parlor na pre-war martin.......)  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 07, 2007, 01:29:22 PM
baka bumili ako ng larrivee na parlour... tight tumunog yan mga maliliit, kulang lang sa bass...

wala pang pambili ng prewar martin :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on September 07, 2007, 01:37:08 PM
wala pang pambili ng prewar martin :-D

pero meron kang santa cruz, hahaha!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: kawal on September 07, 2007, 02:05:26 PM
@farseer. you might wanna check on "Norah Jones and the Handsome Band: Live In 2004 DVD" may extras dun, yung "Robbie and Adam’s Guitar Tour". pinapakita nila lahat ng gitara nila dun, and what they use them for. I'm very particular with Adam Levy's equipment, dahil sobrang specific nya sa tonality ng mga gamit nya. he uses a parlor na Martin mostly sa live performances at sa recordings. ginagamit lang nya yung dread nya na Martin kapag kailangan nyang mag-capo, para mas madaling gumalaw sa neck. check nyo website nya, http://www.adamlevy.com, daming goodies, or sa youtube, using keywords "norah jones and the handsome band".

BTW, he uses his acoustic guitars on a Roland JC120. sarrrrraaaaaap....  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 07, 2007, 08:50:45 PM

thanks so much Sir Kulas!  i'm currently researching the best and less expensive combination for me.  i'm assessing my options if i'm going to go for a pure acoustic tpos external nalang ang preamp or to go for an acoustic/electric.

thanks acoustic gurus!  more power to us!   8-)

MAXI,

SINCE STILL UNSURE/SEEKING, DO GO FOR AN INEXPENSIVE ACOUSTIC (<15K??) INITIALLY BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE TIME BEFORE YOU GET TO KNOW 'THE ACOUSTIC SOUND' AND WHAT WILL DEFINE YOUR PERSONAL ACOUSTIC TASTE (WOODS & SHAPE - DREAD, J, SJ, OM, OO, PARLOR). YOUR INITIAL INVESTMENT WILL 'GET YOUR FEET WET' SO TO SPEAK AND AVOID THE PITFALLS/MONEY LOSS OF UNKNOWN TERRITORY. IN THE LONG RUN IT WILL ALLOW WISER DECISIONS AND THE RIGHTFUL GUITAR FOR YOUR HANDS & EARS. ---SATISFACTION!
I FORGOT TO MENTION AN "UNKNOWN PLACE" :roll: :-D WHICH THE 'OLDIES' HAVE RELIED ON FOR PRO EQUIPMENT; THEY HAVE THE LOWER PRICED CHINA/KOREAN INSTRUMENTS IN STOCK. DO CALL CAROL OR CARLITOS BENAVIDES (KNOWN BY MOST SENYORS AND ARTISTES AND RECORDING INDUSTRY) TEL 7246138/7252847 FILICOM SOUNDS.
THEY WERE FOR AWHILE THE APPOINTED TAYLOR DISTRIBUTORS HERE, IN THE '90s
 
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 08, 2007, 10:33:13 AM
@farseer. you might wanna check on "Norah Jones and the Handsome Band: Live In 2004 DVD" may extras dun, yung "Robbie and Adam’s Guitar Tour". pinapakita nila lahat ng gitara nila dun, and what they use them for. I'm very particular with Adam Levy's equipment, dahil sobrang specific nya sa tonality ng mga gamit nya. he uses a parlor na Martin mostly sa live performances at sa recordings. ginagamit lang nya yung dread nya na Martin kapag kailangan nyang mag-capo, para mas madaling gumalaw sa neck. check nyo website nya, http://www.adamlevy.com, daming goodies, or sa youtube, using keywords "norah jones and the handsome band".

BTW, he uses his acoustic guitars on a Roland JC120. sarrrrraaaaaap....  8-)


I like both guitarist... i watched them live couple of years ago... galing... mahilig sila sa twang guitars (tele, gretsch) may national pa na acoustic... :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 08, 2007, 12:11:16 PM
MAXI,

SINCE STILL UNSURE/SEEKING, DO GO FOR AN INEXPENSIVE ACOUSTIC (<15K??) INITIALLY BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE TIME BEFORE YOU GET TO KNOW 'THE ACOUSTIC SOUND' AND WHAT WILL DEFINE YOUR PERSONAL ACOUSTIC TASTE (WOODS & SHAPE - DREAD, J, SJ, OM, OO, PARLOR). YOUR INITIAL INVESTMENT WILL 'GET YOUR FEET WET' SO TO SPEAK AND AVOID THE PITFALLS/MONEY LOSS OF UNKNOWN TERRITORY. IN THE LONG RUN IT WILL ALLOW WISER DECISIONS AND THE RIGHTFUL GUITAR FOR YOUR HANDS & EARS. ---SATISFACTION!
I FORGOT TO MENTION AN "UNKNOWN PLACE" :roll: :-D WHICH THE 'OLDIES' HAVE RELIED ON FOR PRO EQUIPMENT; THEY HAVE THE LOWER PRICED CHINA/KOREAN INSTRUMENTS IN STOCK. DO CALL CAROL OR CARLITOS BENAVIDES (KNOWN BY MOST SENYORS AND ARTISTES AND RECORDING INDUSTRY) TEL 7246138/7252847 FILICOM SOUNDS.
THEY WERE FOR AWHILE THE APPOINTED TAYLOR DISTRIBUTORS HERE, IN THE '90s
 

thanks sir GGBR!  i might try out the less expensive ones first before i go to the big names...i have some friends in singapore and i'll ask them to check out the guitar prices there.  as of the moment, i think i'm gonna get an AD-3 to enhance the plugged sound of my ovation while i'm still searching for a good all-wood acoustic.  thanks for the advice!

@ sir farseer,
thanks for the offer.  i will have to set my budget first before i can look at the used guitar market.

@ sir kulas,
thanks for all the advice!  u shared so much knowledge to me sa thread na to!

more power to us!  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 11, 2007, 03:16:56 PM
ei guys...mukhang wala nang masyadong nagpopost d2.   :cry:

anyway, i just want to share with you guys what happened when i visited yupancgo yesterday.

i arrived at yupangco after work at around 6:30pm.  store hours pala nila dun is 8am-6pm lang.  kahit ganito ung case, they still allowed us (i was with my sister who is looking for keyboards) to enter the store.  i was impressed with the staff there kasi even though closed na sila, they still attended to our questions and our sound checks.  KUDOS TO YUPANGCO for this!   8-)

anyway, i visited yupangco becasue i'm planning to buy a Boss RV-5 Digital Reverb.  i figured that if i can't get a good guitar, i might as well beef-up the plugged sound of my ovation through good effects.  i'm planning to get the RV-5 on saturday.  sabi sa yupangco, baka daw mag-sale sila come october.  i'm planning to follow up the RV-5 with a CH-1 Super Chorus.

any comments from the gurus?  thanks and let's keep this thread going.  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: EMFTBMD on September 11, 2007, 06:20:07 PM
A good pedal for acoustic guitars would be the Fishman Aura pedals.  I bought one recently for my Godin acoustic nylon string guitar. The guitar sounds phenomenal with the effect. It enhances the sound of the guitar without altering its tone. I have tried several other pedals ( compressors, delay, chorus)  to enhance my acoustic tone but I have not been pleased with the results until I bought this one. Check this out as you are better off with this one than a reverb pedal. You can use your acoustic amp or PA system for your reverb.

Check fishman's web site for further info: http://www.fishman.com/products/details.asp?id=92
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: paquitz on September 11, 2007, 11:24:19 PM
Up ko lang. Dami ko natutunan dito about acoustic guitar. Baka may gusto pa idagdag mga masters  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 12, 2007, 07:32:49 AM
A good pedal for acoustic guitars would be the Fishman Aura pedals.  I bought one recently for my Godin acoustic nylon string guitar. The guitar sounds phenomenal with the effect. It enhances the sound of the guitar without altering its tone. I have tried several other pedals ( compressors, delay, chorus)  to enhance my acoustic tone but I have not been pleased with the results until I bought this one. Check this out as you are better off with this one than a reverb pedal. You can use your acoustic amp or PA system for your reverb.

Check fishman's web site for further info: http://www.fishman.com/products/details.asp?id=92

thanks for the advice sir!  i know the Fishman Auras but i don't know if they are available here in the Philippines.  i still don't have the means to go out of the country to buy good quality gear so i have to settle for what's right here and easy to purchase as of the now.  :|

just some questions sir.  where were you able to buy your Fishman Aura and how much is it?  so that i know kung pano ako magsave.   :lol:

maybe as i go along and i can save enough money to go out of the country, i will get a better quality pedal for my acoustic.   8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 15, 2007, 12:59:16 AM
thanks for the advice sir!  i know the Fishman Auras but i don't know if they are available here in the Philippines.  i still don't have the means to go out of the country to buy good quality gear so i have to settle for what's right here and easy to purchase as of the now.  :|

just some questions sir.  where were you able to buy your Fishman Aura and how much is it?  so that i know kung pano ako magsave.   :lol:

maybe as i go along and i can save enough money to go out of the country, i will get a better quality pedal for my acoustic.   8-)

LONG TERM LOOK AT GETTING THE PERSONUS ACOUTI Q, AURAL EXCITER, (CHECK IF STILL IN THE MARKET THOUGH), D-TAR's (COLLABORATION OF RICK TURNER & S. DUNCAN) SOLSTICE OR MAMA BEAR PREAMPS (VERY SALEABLE- IN THE USA), HIGHLANDERS PREAMPS OR THE LR BAGGS. THE LATER PREAMPS HAVE SUCCEEDED TASTES OF MANY ACOUSTIC GUITARISTS. ULTIMATE THOUGH IS THE PENDULUM SPS-1 ACOUSTIC PREAMP!! THIS IS A RATHER BIG INVESTMENT KASI HI-END PRO NA.

TRY A LESS COSTLY SET UP WHICH CAN RIVAL PROS - USE A PRESONUS TUBEPRE BUT REPLACE THE STANDARD AX12 PREAMP TUBE WITH A REPUTABLE ONE THEN COUPLED WITH ANOTHER INEXPENSIVE EFFECTS SUCH AS THE NANOVERB OR PICOVERB OR QUADVERB OF ALESIS!! THIS SHOULD GIVE YOU A PRO HEADSTART. NO BS! :wink:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 15, 2007, 11:31:37 AM
LONG TERM LOOK AT GETTING THE PERSONUS ACOUTI Q, AURAL EXCITER, (CHECK IF STILL IN THE MARKET THOUGH), D-TAR's (COLLABORATION OF RICK TURNER & I-FORGOT-WHO) SOLSTICE OR MAMA BEAR PREAMPS (VERY SALEABLE- IN THE USA), HIGHLANDERS PREAMPS OR THE LR BAGGS. THE LATER PREAMPS HAVE SUCCEEDED TASTES OF MANY ACOUSTIC GUITARIST. ULTIMATE THOUGH IS THE PENDULUM SPS-1 ACOUSTIC PREAMP!! THIS IS A RATHER BIG INVESTMENT THOUGH MEDYO PRO NA.

TRY A LESS COSTLY SET UP WHICH CAN RIVAL PROS - USE A PRESONUS TUBEPRE BUT REPLACE THE STANDARD AX12 PREAMP TUBE WITH A REPUTABLE ONE THEN COUPLED WITH ANOTHER INEXPENSIVE EFFECTS SUCH AS THE NANOVERB OR PICOVERB OR QUADVERB OF ALESIS!! THIS SHOULD GIVE YOU A PRO HEADSTART. NO BS! :wink:



sir GGBR, dumaan ako sa clinic ni Doc nung wednesday kaso ndi ko sya inabutan!  hehe!  forgot to leave my calling card din..though i was able to get his calling card.  hehe!  we talked wednesday afternoon and he advised me against getting the Boss RV-5.  dapat kasi bibili na ko today nun...if not for his advice, siguro nagsayang na ko ng 10k.  hehehe!  sobrang laki daw kasi ng markup dun sa bibilan ko na store.

right now i was able to talk with my cousin na based sa singapore...he can get a lr baggs para acoustic DI for me there and papadala nalang nya d2 sa pinas next month.  much more affordable compared to the RV-5.  i'm really pushing na makuha ko na this month un or early next month para magamit ko na sa gigs...  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 15, 2007, 01:15:38 PM
right now i was able to talk with my cousin na based sa singapore...he can get a lr baggs para acoustic DI for me there and papadala nalang nya d2 sa pinas next month.  much more affordable compared to the RV-5.  i'm really pushing na makuha ko na this month un or early next month para magamit ko na sa gigs...  8-)

IF NOT MUCH MORE...ASK HIM TO CHECK OUT (RESEARCH THE WEB AS WELL)  D-TAR's SOLSTICE OR MAMA BEAR...YOU MAY HAVE SOMETHING MUCH MORE GOING THERE FOR YOU.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: fade2black0520 on September 15, 2007, 01:32:20 PM
ok po ba tunog ng ibanez aeg and aes series acoustics? medyo thin ang body nya na may built in tuner/eq.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 15, 2007, 01:49:04 PM

IF NOT MUCH MORE...ASK HIM TO CHECK OUT (RESEARCH THE WEB AS WELL)  D-TAR's SOLSTICE OR MAMA BEAR...YOU MAY HAVE SOMETHING MUCH MORE GOING THERE FOR YOU.


cge po i'll search kung available sa singapore ung mama bear.  but price-wise, comparable ba sya dun sa baggs DI?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 15, 2007, 02:03:42 PM
ok po ba tunog ng ibanez aeg and aes series acoustics? medyo thin ang body nya na may built in tuner/eq.

hindi pa po ako ganun ka-exposed sa mga ibanez acoustics sir...pero based sa mga gurus, basta nasa type lang ng woods..and the most important is solid wood ung top nya..ndi laminated.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on September 15, 2007, 02:52:57 PM
ok po ba tunog ng ibanez aeg and aes series acoustics? medyo thin ang body nya na may built in tuner/eq.

NO!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 15, 2007, 10:57:19 PM

cge po i'll search kung available sa singapore ung mama bear.  but price-wise, comparable ba sya dun sa baggs DI?

pareho kami, mama bear din...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Lahed92801 on September 15, 2007, 11:09:55 PM
NO!

+1 i felt the tone was kind of unsatisfactory  :| Not very bright too...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Poundcake on September 15, 2007, 11:58:07 PM
ok po ba tunog ng ibanez aeg and aes series acoustics? medyo thin ang body nya na may built in tuner/eq.

Olats yan men. Mag-Yamaha ka na lang kaysa sa Ibanez :)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 17, 2007, 09:12:47 AM
pareho kami, mama bear din...


talaga?  hehe!  sana hindi pa binili ng cousin ko ung baggs...i already emailed Davis Music sa Sing about sa price nila ng mama bear.  i hope they will reply asap.  pag hindi naman malayo ung price nya sa baggs, sabihin ko sa cousin ko na mama bear nalang ung kunin.   :-D

thanks for the advice!   :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on September 17, 2007, 09:47:32 AM
pareho kami, mama bear din...

i tried out the mama-bear and it had great tone but I wish there were more flexibility with the unit like mic modelling choices like on the Fishman Aura.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 17, 2007, 10:49:19 AM
different guitarists have different experiences and different suggestions talaga!   :-D

did anyone here watch The Corrs Unplugged video?  ganda din ng tunog ng gitara na ginamit dun ah.  can anyone help me in identifying the guitars used in that vid?  ung isa lang ang nakuha ko eh...Guild.  jumbo ata un eh.  the other guitar i'm not sure if it's a Larrivee or a Lowden.   :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on September 17, 2007, 11:01:39 AM
different guitarists have different experiences and different suggestions talaga!   :-D

did anyone here watch The Corrs Unplugged video?  ganda din ng tunog ng gitara na ginamit dun ah.  can anyone help me in identifying the guitars used in that vid?  ung isa lang ang nakuha ko eh...Guild.  jumbo ata un eh.  the other guitar i'm not sure if it's a Larrivee or a Lowden.   :-D

they're using Guild (6 and 12 strings) and what looks like a Lowden F Series or Stage Series model. the sound sounds like your normal DI sound.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 17, 2007, 11:16:52 AM
they're using Guild (6 and 12 strings) and Martin. the sound sounds like your normal DI sound.


was that a Martin?  i'm referring to the maroon guitar used by the Jim Corr.  when the camera focused on the sound hole, i thought i saw a big L inside.  so i'm thinking either Larrivee or Lowden.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on September 17, 2007, 11:47:09 AM

was that a Martin?  i'm referring to the maroon guitar used by the Jim Corr.  when the camera focused on the sound hole, i thought i saw a big L inside.  so i'm thinking either Larrivee or Lowden.
nah, i thought it was until I saw the body shape. Its a lowden.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 17, 2007, 11:53:22 AM
nah, i thought it was until I saw the body shape. Its a lowden.

yup...i think the 12-string is also a lowden.  darn..i can't access lowden's website...hehehe!  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: jebs on September 17, 2007, 01:50:41 PM
hello fellow acoustics. i was able to try a fernando/fernandes (its either of the 2) acoustic yesterday in JB.. and i was blown away by the sound of it. bassy round sound, and bright sound.  im not sure of the body, it has a ROUND JUMBO shape but MEDIUM in size. so i guess its a medium jumbo, slightly smaller than a regular dread. get the idea?

my question is,
1.  does that kind of body really give a bassy round sound? very much diff from dreads? it had so much boom compared to takamine dread that i also tried.. 
2.  i cant believe it was a fernando/fernandes guitar? are they this good?  is it because of the body or wood, that this guitar sounds good? sounds like it has solid top..  but i doubt it cos it was averagely priced around 7k.

i currently own an ibanez dread pf series solid top. but the sound is very diff from the fernando.   
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on September 17, 2007, 03:26:05 PM
hello fellow acoustics. i was able to try a fernando/fernandes (its either of the 2) acoustic yesterday in JB.. and i was blown away by the sound of it. bassy round sound, and bright sound.  im not sure of the body, it has a ROUND JUMBO shape but MEDIUM in size. so i guess its a medium jumbo, slightly smaller than a regular dread. get the idea?

my question is,
1.  does that kind of body really give a bassy round sound? very much diff from dreads? it had so much boom compared to takamine dread that i also tried.. 
2.  i cant believe it was a fernando/fernandes guitar? are they this good?  is it because of the body or wood, that this guitar sounds good? sounds like it has solid top..  but i doubt it cos it was averagely priced around 7k.

i currently own an ibanez dread pf series solid top. but the sound is very diff from the fernando.   

the things to consider in the tone of an acoustic are: the shape, the materials used in making the thing, the design and the intonation. all guitars will sound different from each other and, just as each guitar is different, each person here will have their own opinion about a guitar. more importantly is to ask, what do YOU think about the guitar in comparison to the other guitars you've played?

i will try any guitar just to see what it has to offer and I can't say that I am fickle about acoustic name brands because, really, I don't care for chasing ém down on that criteria alone since I ain't in buying guitars for the collector's value. i play my acoustics - a lot - and if it can't deliver live or in the studio, well, thats a bad dollar spent in my book. Whether or not it is a Fernandes, a Taylor, a Lowden or a Martin, if it plays well, feels good and gets the creative juices flowing on YOUR part, go for it.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 17, 2007, 04:41:48 PM
hello fellow acoustics. i was able to try a fernando/fernandes (its either of the 2) acoustic yesterday in JB.. and i was blown away by the sound of it. bassy round sound, and bright sound.  im not sure of the body, it has a ROUND JUMBO shape but MEDIUM in size. so i guess its a medium jumbo, slightly smaller than a regular dread. get the idea?

my question is,
1.  does that kind of body really give a bassy round sound? very much diff from dreads? it had so much boom compared to takamine dread that i also tried.. 
2.  i cant believe it was a fernando/fernandes guitar? are they this good?  is it because of the body or wood, that this guitar sounds good? sounds like it has solid top..  but i doubt it cos it was averagely priced around 7k.

i currently own an ibanez dread pf series solid top. but the sound is very diff from the fernando.   


+1 to the previous reply dude.

it will all boil down to your preferences as a musician..that's the beauty about music!  there is no hard and fast rules on your preferences.  all musicians know this and we respect the crafts of all our colleagues.

there really are better brands than others...but what's really important is you, the musician.  musical instruments are just simply avenues for the musician to manifest their feelings and experiences (chick-flick moment)   :-D

every musician knows if a guitar "feels" right or not.  and whatever makes a musician feels right, is worth buying.   8-)

the key is to try as many guitars as you can to broaden your listening experiences so that when the time comes na pipili ka na, you can really say to yourself that "this guitar feels right".  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 17, 2007, 05:10:29 PM
Max,

I just read your reply to the personal message.

Regarding pickups-- I am at the moment in South Korea and have communicated with the OEM for AER's AK-15 pickup (I had also contacted the maker of Wilkinson hardware). They are unable to sell this here because it needs to go thru AER Germany. They told me that there is already a newer version of this pickup which will be branded as AK-15 plus. You may want to wait a while for its release. JB distributes AER.

Best reagrds. 
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on September 17, 2007, 05:26:20 PM
i own a fernando and i think it's way too good for it's price. Ü. bang for the buck. may be a bang bang bang for that. hehe.

mahogany neck, back, and sides; spruce <dunno if solid or not, or if it is spruce even> top, ebony/ rosewood frets. the body relatively thin but it sounds real big.

maybe suit it up with better electronics it's a jackpot. had some issues with the setup before but after fixing it i liked it better.

i agree with the guys above, acoustic <and any other guitars> guitar tones will eventually boil down to preference.

i also have a sagano installed with lr baggs pickups <tenks kulas> but i have yet to experience it's full potential with a preamp.

as for the fernando, i'll post the soundclip of the recording after the single is officially released. heheh.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 17, 2007, 05:39:54 PM
different guitarists have different experiences and different suggestions talaga!   :-D

did anyone here watch The Corrs Unplugged video?  ganda din ng tunog ng gitara na ginamit dun ah.  can anyone help me in identifying the guitars used in that vid?  ung isa lang ang nakuha ko eh...Guild.  jumbo ata un eh.  the other guitar i'm not sure if it's a Larrivee or a Lowden.   :-D
Guild f50, i have one of those... lowdens make sense... irish made, corrs=irish :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 17, 2007, 05:48:39 PM
Max,

I just read your reply to the personal message.

Regarding pickups-- I am at the moment in South Korea and have communicated with the OEM for AER's AK-15 pickup (I had also contacted the maker of Wilkinson hardware). They are unable to sell this here because it needs to go thru AER Germany. They told me that there is already a newer version of this pickup which will be branded as AK-15 plus. You may want to wait a while for its release. JB distributes AER.

Best reagrds. 


sori for the late reply sir GGBR.  i downloaded the pdf for the AK-15 plus.  looks promising.   :-D  and i think by the time na maging available na sya sa JB, may ipon na ko to buy a good guitar.   8-)

i emailed Davis Music Singapore asking how much yung mama bear.  i don't think they will reply.   :-D  i'll see if i can get my cousin to ask how much!

thanks sir!  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 17, 2007, 05:50:04 PM
Guild f50, i have one of those... lowdens make sense... irish made, corrs=irish :-D


hehehe!   :-D  ganda nung Guild Doc.  jumbo un dba?  yun ba ung sinasabi mong mas gs2 mo ung tunog kesa sa Taylor 9series mo?  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 17, 2007, 06:14:48 PM
sir GGBR and Doc,

just received the reply from Davis Music sa Singapore..Mama Bear costs Sing$595.  grabe halos 2x nung Baggs...way out of my budget.  game plan ng purchases ko kasi in chronological order:  Baggs - Guitar - Aura.   :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 17, 2007, 08:25:28 PM
Max,

The D-TAR Mama Bear Preamp is more than double because it is NOT ONLY a PREAMP BUT ALSO a modeling amp with efx I believe! It has incredible sounds(daw). Postpone your decision and save up for this last.

I purchased something which is pricier but serves only as a preamp/blender/DI unit. It has an excellent sound for both live & studio use called the Raven Labs Professional Master Blender II. It was designed by the maker of SWR amps but no longer in production. The designer has retired in 2005 and I was in luck buying the last unit from Gary Brawer (who recommended it to me)of San Francisco.

To further aid your choice(s)(or maybe confusion :-D)
Here are the top sellers for acoustic accessories in the USA:

PICKUPS
K&K Pure Western   Unique soundboard pickup (mini recommended)  $86.10
DTAR Wavelength    Easy-install version of the Timberline.     $111.30
Baggs M1 Active    M1 with onboard juice and volume control    $169.00
Baggs Element Active System  Undersaddle pickup with onboard preamp & volume control                                                 $99.00
               
Element Onboard System  Element & side-mount blending preamp; retrofits into factory-installed electronics                   $179.00
 
PREAMPS
DTAR Mama Bear   Revolutionary modeling preamp                 $349.30
Baggs Para-Acoustic DI  Full-featured external preamp, EQ, and DI                                                             $159.00
K&K Pure XLR Preamp  Best with K&K pickups; adds XLR out and phase switch to standard Pure preamp.                               $147.00
       
AMP
AER Compact 60  Two channels, 60 watts. Includes one free Zaolla cable.                                                        $999.00
 
 

Prices are from a very reliable source ex-Colorado.

Regards.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 17, 2007, 09:58:42 PM
Max,

The D-TAR Mama Bear Preamp is more than double because it is NOT ONLY a PREAMP BUT ALSO a modeling amp with efx I believe! It has incredible sounds(daw). Postpone your decision and save up for this last.

I purchased something which is pricier but serves only as a preamp/blender/DI unit. It has an excellent sound for both live & studio use called the Raven Labs Professional Master Blender II. It was designed by the maker of SWR amps but no longer in production. The designer has retired in 2005 and I was in luck buying the last unit from Gary Brawer (who recommended it to me)of San Francisco.

To further aid your choice(s)(or maybe confusion :-D)
Here are the top sellers for acoustic accessories in the USA:

PICKUPS
K&K Pure Western   Unique soundboard pickup (mini recommended)  $86.10
DTAR Wavelength    Easy-install version of the Timberline.     $111.30
Baggs M1 Active    M1 with onboard juice and volume control    $169.00
Baggs Element Active System  Undersaddle pickup with onboard preamp & volume control                                                 $99.00
               
Element Onboard System  Element & side-mount blending preamp; retrofits into factory-installed electronics                   $179.00
 
PREAMPS
DTAR Mama Bear   Revolutionary modeling preamp                 $349.30
Baggs Para-Acoustic DI  Full-featured external preamp, EQ, and DI                                                             $159.00
K&K Pure XLR Preamp  Best with K&K pickups; adds XLR out and phase switch to standard Pure preamp.                               $147.00
       
AMP
AER Compact 60  Two channels, 60 watts. Includes one free Zaolla cable.                                                        $999.00
 
 

Prices are from a very reliable source ex-Colorado.

Regards.


thanks so much for the information sir GGBR!  actually i'm really confused since everybody has been recommending different things!   :-D  but i'm thankful since i get to know so much about the acoustic guitar this early.   :-D

i'm going to assess my options sir...pero i think mama bear is a little too much for my budget (and my salary) right now.   :cry:  cguro next year na ko kukuha ng malupet na preamp when i have a quality guitar na.  papatulong nalang ako kay Doc para makakuha ako ng quality used brands.   :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 18, 2007, 10:49:33 AM

thanks so much for the information sir GGBR!  actually i'm really confused since everybody has been recommending different things!   :-D  but i'm thankful since i get to know so much about the acoustic guitar this early.   :-D

i'm going to assess my options sir...pero i think mama bear is a little too much for my budget (and my salary) right now.   :cry:  cguro next year na ko kukuha ng malupet na preamp when i have a quality guitar na.  papatulong nalang ako kay Doc para makakuha ako ng quality used brands.   :-D

Max,

Surely you will learn from all the inputs herein. But...

Suggest that you find out who has 1) what ever kind(s) of intruments/equipment and 2) most importantly, has had direct working experience with such instrument and equipment. By this you will separate those who are into lip service and those who actually hear/touch/work with the equipment/instrument (estimate about just 5%). Better yet are those who have been years in the music industry (maybe just less than 5%)as these are the individuals who have tried and worked with various eqpiument in various scenarios of this performing art. Ask for their personal background and working track record on the industry (music) so that you can assess their working knowledge on the subject you need to know.

I am sure that your contact where you were to bump into me had you gone earlier is one of those that you can rely on because he has and is an actual user of equipment.

Just some words to increase your discernment on who are (the many) vs who is (the few).
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on September 18, 2007, 11:01:17 AM

thanks so much for the information sir GGBR!  actually i'm really confused since everybody has been recommending different things!   :-D  but i'm thankful since i get to know so much about the acoustic guitar this early.   :-D

i'm going to assess my options sir...pero i think mama bear is a little too much for my budget (and my salary) right now.   :cry:  cguro next year na ko kukuha ng malupet na preamp when i have a quality guitar na.  papatulong nalang ako kay Doc para makakuha ako ng quality used brands.   :-D

will you using the gear live or in the studio? the mama bear sounds great but if you want to switch on the fly, its going to be hard because the interface requires it to be changed by hand. if access is a concern, you could try going for the Fishman Aura. when I was shopping around for a DI unit, the Aura and the D-Tar were pretty much the only two things out there that one could look into. i eventually went with the Aura for 2 reasons: the thing is mounted on a steel chassis and it is foot switchable. The imaging is a good treat too but requires you to send your main guitar Fishman for imaging. Turnaround is about 2 weeks and I got both my guitars back quickly. Just give them enough time to do their work months ahead of your anticipated gig! However, images are available online and you can use those as templates to see if they work well for your existing guitars.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 18, 2007, 11:56:33 AM
Max,

Surely you will learn from all the inputs herein. But...

Suggest that you find out who has 1) what ever kind(s) of intruments/equipment and 2) most importantly, has had direct working experience with such instrument and equipment. By this you will separate those who are into lip service and those who actually hear/touch/work with the equipment/instrument (estimate about just 5%). Better yet are those who have been years in the music industry (maybe just less than 5%)as these are the individuals who have tried and worked with various eqpiument in various scenarios of this performing art. Ask for their personal background and working track record on the industry (music) so that you can assess their working knowledge on the subject you need to know.

I am sure that your contact where you were to bump into me had you gone earlier is one of those that you can rely on because he has and is an actual user of equipment.

Just some words to increase your discernment on who are (the many) vs who is (the few).


exactly...thanks for these words!  this thread really increased my knowledge about acoustic guitars, especially the brands.  like what you said in your previous thread, "the names that i don't know are the names i should watch out for".  8-)

Quote
I am sure that your contact where you were to bump into me had you gone earlier is one of those that you can rely on because he has and is an actual user of equipment.

i'm not sure what this means sir GGBR...  :?  is there a typo somewhere?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 18, 2007, 11:59:40 AM
will you using the gear live or in the studio? the mama bear sounds great but if you want to switch on the fly, its going to be hard because the interface requires it to be changed by hand. if access is a concern, you could try going for the Fishman Aura. when I was shopping around for a DI unit, the Aura and the D-Tar were pretty much the only two things out there that one could look into. i eventually went with the Aura for 2 reasons: the thing is mounted on a steel chassis and it is foot switchable. The imaging is a good treat too but requires you to send your main guitar Fishman for imaging. Turnaround is about 2 weeks and I got both my guitars back quickly. Just give them enough time to do their work months ahead of your anticipated gig! However, images are available online and you can use those as templates to see if they work well for your existing guitars.

thanks for the advice!   8-)

i'm going to use the gear both live and for recording.  but i do more live gigs.  i didn't know that you had to send your guitar to Fishman for the imaging...i thought the acoustic images are already pre-set in the pedal and can be accessed just by turning the knob..  :?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on September 18, 2007, 12:07:54 PM
thanks for the advice!   8-)

i'm going to use the gear both live and for recording.  but i do more live gigs.  i didn't know that you had to send your guitar to Fishman for the imaging...i thought the acoustic images are already pre-set in the pedal and can be accessed just by turning the knob..  :?
the mic modelling is preset but the mic modelling is based on the responses of acoustic guitars of the most common shapes so, in a sense, they are generalized presets. you do not have to send your guitar to Fishman since it is a n option. although the presets are great, some people want a more accurate representation of their acoustic tone by taking advantage of the modelling and tailoring an actual preset by having Fishman record their acoustic guitar and producing a custom mic modelling image. For example, they have a Royer ribbon mic preset on the item but for anyone who has worked with ribbon mics, especially royers, they will know that those mics are quite fickle when it comes to micing guitar sound. placement, configuration and the location all influence how the resulting recording eventually comes out.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 18, 2007, 12:26:51 PM
the mic modelling is preset but the mic modelling is based on the responses of acoustic guitars of the most common shapes so, in a sense, they are generalized presets. you do not have to send your guitar to Fishman since it is a n option. although the presets are great, some people want a more accurate representation of their acoustic tone by taking advantage of the modelling and tailoring an actual preset by having Fishman record their acoustic guitar and producing a custom mic modelling image. For example, they have a Royer ribbon mic preset on the item but for anyone who has worked with ribbon mics, especially royers, they will know that those mics are quite fickle when it comes to micing guitar sound. placement, configuration and the location all influence how the resulting recording eventually comes out.

now i understand!   :-D  thanks!   8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 18, 2007, 02:56:32 PM
Maxi,

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I am sure that your contact [where you were to bump into me had you gone earlier] is one of those that you can rely on because he has and is an actual user of equipment.

i'm not sure what this means sir GGBR...    is there a typo somewhere?

DOC (WHEN YOU WERE IN HIS CLINIC)!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 18, 2007, 05:20:39 PM

DOC (WHEN YOU WERE IN HIS CLINIC)!


oh ok!   :-D

i'll try to drop by this friday...but i'm not sure since i usually stay in the office until 6:30pm (on a good night  :-D). 
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on September 18, 2007, 10:59:39 PM
@doc farseer: are you located in Texas? for some reason, i always thought you were located close to PRSMan or something.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: D16T on September 19, 2007, 01:52:07 PM
mabuhay ka kulas for starting this - 'thread' ba tawag dito?..

i remember four years ago i was asking more less the same questions and i was really lucky that Arie was kind enough to accomodate all of my questions even when he was so busy with all the guitars in his "always-fully-packed-with-guitars" hospital.

searching the true acoustic tone is i found a 'holy grail', an impossible dream.?.

maybe...

a couple of years after i started my quest, i had to stop and think and accept that good sound for us mere mortals is relative to the amount that we can or are willing to spend.

it's easy when you start with Lumanog's or Don Jon's moving up to 2nd hand Morisses or old Yamaha's and then further on to Ibanez'es or Applause's. 

From here it will still be alright to move further on to brand new Yamaha's, Ovation's, Takamine's or Godin acoustic's e.g, Seagull's. ... .and then it hits you smack in the face...how much could you still improve? At this price point, which anywhere from 25T to 50T, you realize that you will need to spend ~100T to hear a significant improvement on the sound of your guitar...

True Acoustic Tone - as you all correctly deciphered is a subjective issue. 

one can play a Fernando and be totally immersed in your sweet zone in the same manner as another would play his Ramirez with the technicality of a virtuoso.

in the end, just get the best guitar which you yourself has tried. trust only your guts...if it's an SX, good. If it's an SCGC, good.
   
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on September 19, 2007, 02:18:45 PM
@doc farseer: are you located in Texas? for some reason, i always thought you were located close to PRSMan or something.

he's located down south...











...in parañaque, hehe.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: fade2black0520 on September 19, 2007, 03:20:19 PM
sirs i need some help. could you suggest a decent steel string acoutic guitar w/ onboard tu