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Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 04:39:14 PM
as per sir deltaslim's suggestion in the other thread. let's discuss everything acoustic in this thread. what's a good sounding acoustic for you? what shapes the tones of acoustic guitars eg. body type, wood type, strings, etc. and if anyone can post clips, that would be more than welcome. and what's the best recorded acoustic sound you've heard.

for me, i think i have "decent" acoustic guitars naman at the least. both dreadnoughts. i'll try to post clips of them pag naka-record ako, both acoustic and amplified.

for me the best recorded acoustic sound i've heard would be in john mayer's album, no room for squares.

nicest acoustic i've tried so far was the martin om-21 in tomlee hongkong.

my dream acoustic guitar is a martin om-28v, though i can settle for a blueridge br-263, hehe.

i have a jasmine s80s equipped with l.r. baggs ribbon transducer running through the l.r. baggs para acoustic d.i. and my other acoustic is a 1975 morris w-15.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on March 28, 2006, 04:53:16 PM
I'm not experienced enough to really get into a discussion like this, pero magpaparamdam lang ako sa thread ni kulas. Basta acoustic.  :mrgreen:
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on March 28, 2006, 05:11:44 PM
personally, i like acoustics that are made of mahogany with something like a Cedar or Spruce top. The tone sounds nice, deep with a long, warm solid decay with each chord. I really like the Alvarez Kazuo Yairi guitars and those have been my main guitars ever since I got a DY62c and a WY1. I might get a fusion series model down the line to backup my DY62c because it is my favorite guitar and it would suck if that went and I didn't have another that sounded like it. I tried Taylors before going with the Yairi but I never found a Taylor or Martin that I really loved. But lately, I've really liked the sounds of Santa Cruz, Breedlove, and Froggy Bottom Guitars. They sound a lot like my Yairi's and feel very solid in my hands. I have a very percussive right hand from playing solo a lot so a nice solid guitar is nice:)
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Poundcake on March 28, 2006, 05:34:08 PM
hehe i don't know much about acoustic guitars too... i'm only using a Yamaha APX-4A acoustic, a far cry from Martins, etc. the best acoustic guitar i've ever tried is a Taylor Presentation series guitar. grabe sa tone, grabe din yung price hehe :)
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: kaloyster on March 28, 2006, 05:46:40 PM
Room for Squares lang par kulas :)

yeah i really love that album. John Mayer is a skilled musician all in all.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: agentx44 on March 28, 2006, 06:08:40 PM
I'm still searching for that acoustic tone I want. I'm looking for that 70's folk-rocky tone reminiscent of James Taylor, Jim Croce and Don McLean. The kinda tone that puts you in the middle of a forest at the crack of dawn, when the air is so fresh it's almost like dewdrops at the back of your mouth.

I'd like to own a nice Martin D-28 and an OM model with the slotted peghead, oh yeah, and a D'Aquisto Teardrop guitar.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 06:14:58 PM
ako i like the spruce-rosewood combo in acoustics. i like a bright, punchy acoustic tone without sacrificing bass response. i also like the tone of the smaller bodied guitars kasi mas tight yung tunog nya. ironic nga kasi puro dreads guitars ko eh, hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: agentx44 on March 28, 2006, 06:27:52 PM
Ako naman mas preferred ko yung maganda ang bass response over yung brilliance nya Medyo delicate nga lang yung balance na hanap ko (still haven't found it)
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: 16track on March 28, 2006, 06:29:53 PM
Nice topic!

Since I'm old school, I have always loved the guitars done in the 60's and 70's when the piezo was still not employed and where old time engineers tried all they can get the most natural timbre of the guitar. Don't get me wrong, I love piezos as well as they do have clear advantages and I have an Ibanez AW100CE--which I enjoy using live or just by my lonesome self... but ...for the subject now...


Off the bat, I'd always look back and take a moment to listen to Paul Mcartney's solo guitar { I believe it was a D28 ??} recording of Blackbird-- accompanied only by a metronome or that old Epiphone acoustic he used for "Yesterday" --both for live and the record. Another one is Duane Allman and Eric Clapton playing duet slides on "Mean Old World".

Regards!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 06:30:53 PM
anyone here used brass bridgepins na? how are they? i'm looking to buy some.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: 16track on March 28, 2006, 06:41:03 PM
I have opted to change my standard issue Ibanez pins to the D'Andrea brass bridge pins-- a gift from one of my friends who frequent the Lazer shops. So far, I can only detect a slight increase in brightness-- but only slightly.

Other than that, the brass pins look real nice-- which was why I opted to use them.
Regards! :D



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anyone here used brass bridgepins na? how are they? i'm looking to buy some.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 06:50:18 PM
yeah nga eh, and sakto din sha sa gold tuners nung jasmine ko, hehe.

ok what other upgrades would you recommend? i've already had my saddle and nut made from bone, and i might go get the brass pins.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Al_Librero on March 28, 2006, 06:50:37 PM
interesting... do you think that "slight" increase in brightness with the use of brass pins be helpful enough to a cheap dreadnought size acoustic?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 07:01:52 PM
Quote from: Al_Librero
interesting... do you think that "slight" increase in brightness with the use of brass pins be helpful enough to a cheap dreadnought size acoustic?


well, i guess it should. correct me guys if i'm wrong, pero i think sa acoustic naman, kahit anong gawin mo sa kanya may slight effect eh. well, unless siguro strap pin lang yung nilagay mo, hehe. pero diba madaming factors contribute to the acoustic tone, like top wood, solid vs. laminate tops, back/sides wood, neck joint, bridge wood, bridge pegs, nuts and saddles, strings, bracing, etc. all of these things have their own effect to the overall tone of the acoustic. tama ba? sirs? ma'ams? hehe
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: 16track on March 28, 2006, 07:04:42 PM
Good Question!

I honestly can not say as I was able to A-B only my own guitar on a looong sunday with really nothing to do. I took the old pins out and then put the new ones in. Played it for a while to check the differences and then re-installed the old ones back-- did the same listening phase-- then put in the new ones again. In the end of that process, I decided on using the brass ones --more for aesthetics.







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interesting... do you think that "slight" increase in brightness can help a cheap dreadnought size acoustic?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: 16track on March 28, 2006, 07:07:42 PM
I have heard about the qualities of bone nuts and saddles. May I ask where you got yours? I really would like to try them out. Are they expensive?

Thanks!  :D

Quote from: kulas
yeah nga eh, and sakto din sha sa gold tuners nung jasmine ko, hehe.

ok what other upgrades would you recommend? i've already had my saddle and nut made from bone, and i might go get the brass pins.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 07:12:02 PM
arie makes bone nuts and saddles. ask him for the price nalang. not really expensive. ayoko lang magsabi ng price, hehe. ask him nalang. he'll custom fit the saddles and nuts. compensated saddles pa usually ang ginagawa nya. although i never really observed the changes in tone. pero all i know is, mas maganda, hehehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: 16track on March 28, 2006, 07:23:29 PM
Can we add "AGE" to that list?     :D

Personally, I have always preferred Martin Silk and Steel strings. A bit on the mellow side with a softer feel. My AW100CE came with Elixirs which were excellent but I can't seem to find stores that carry carry the brand.

What strings do you use for your Jasmine?

 

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Quote from: Al_Librero
interesting... do you think that "slight" increase in brightness with the use of brass pins be helpful enough to a cheap dreadnought size acoustic?


well, i guess it should. correct me guys if i'm wrong, pero i think sa acoustic naman, kahit anong gawin mo sa kanya may slight effect eh. well, unless siguro strap pin lang yung nilagay mo, hehe. pero diba madaming factors contribute to the acoustic tone, like top wood, solid vs. laminate tops, back/sides wood, neck joint, bridge wood, bridge pegs, nuts and saddles, strings, bracing, etc. all of these things have their own effect to the overall tone of the acoustic. tama ba? sirs? ma'ams? hehe
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on March 28, 2006, 08:12:08 PM
you're quick, kulas! nice thread. :-)

ang hinahanap kong ultimate acoustic tone narinig ko sa movie na Crossroads w/ Ralph Macchio (altho I prefer Britney over Karate Kid).   i'm referring to the guitar parts na hindi slide. grabe - ang linaw at lutong nung guitar. parang piano na nga e!  if you can grab a copy of the video pakinggan hanapin nyo yun (and then burn me a copy! ;-) )

i don't know the brand/model of the guitar they (arlen roth?) used but i've never heard in person an acoustic guitar sound like that. but i have not heard all the high end models except a taylor, martin, and a sta cruz so, i'm prollly just ignorant. :-)
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: greenweenie on March 28, 2006, 09:05:14 PM
A Maton 12-string's tone is so good for me. :)
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 10:23:40 PM
Quote from: 16track
Can we add "AGE" to that list?     :D

Personally, I have always preferred Martin Silk and Steel strings. A bit on the mellow side with a softer feel. My AW100CE came with Elixirs which were excellent but I can't seem to find stores that carry carry the brand.

What strings do you use for your Jasmine?


ah yes... age. that's if your acoustic is solid topped or all solid wood. malaking bagay yung age and pag-open ng wood. ang ganda ng tunog ng talagang well-broken in na acoustic.

strings? since i'm a cheapskate. i use fernando lights. hehehe 99 pesos a set! sulit na sulit! hehe
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 11:05:15 PM
Quote from: deltaslim
you're quick, kulas! nice thread. :-)

ang hinahanap kong ultimate acoustic tone narinig ko sa movie na Crossroads w/ Ralph Macchio (altho I prefer Britney over Karate Kid).   i'm referring to the guitar parts na hindi slide. grabe - ang linaw at lutong nung guitar. parang piano na nga e!  if you can grab a copy of the video pakinggan hanapin nyo yun (and then burn me a copy! ;-) )

i don't know the brand/model of the guitar they (arlen roth?) used but i've never heard in person an acoustic guitar sound like that. but i have not heard all the high end models except a taylor, martin, and a sta cruz so, i'm prollly just ignorant. :-)


ey, i'm downloading a copy of crossroads... i'll burn you a copy when this finishes... ok lang trade for the fralins? hehehe joke!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: pallas on March 28, 2006, 11:10:34 PM
pa copy naman pre o 8)
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 11:13:43 PM
diba you're not in the philippines? hehe. how can i be able to give you one? 7 hours till the download finishes. excited na ako manood, hehe. it's around 700+mb lang. divx, dvd rip.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 28, 2006, 11:16:53 PM
eto ang thread :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 28, 2006, 11:23:03 PM
Quote from: agentx44
I'm still searching for that acoustic tone I want. I'm looking for that 70's folk-rocky tone reminiscent of James Taylor, Jim Croce and Don McLean. The kinda tone that puts you in the middle of a forest at the crack of dawn, when the air is so fresh it's almost like dewdrops at the back of your mouth.

I'd like to own a nice Martin D-28 and an OM model with the slotted peghead, oh yeah, and a D'Aquisto Teardrop guitar.


I also like James taylors sound.... right now he is using olsons (expensive!!!)

Im not a fan of the new d28, bitin sa boom for a dread... ive had one, but sold it after 2mos... replaced it w/ a d41- laking bagay yun scalloped bracing lalo na kung forward shifted pa like the v,41 specials, 42 and 45 series....
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 11:23:20 PM
uy doc farseer, kumusta yung mga acoustic mo? the best talaga yung santa cruz mo eh, di ba medyo arched yung top nya?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 28, 2006, 11:25:34 PM
Quote from: kulas
anyone here used brass bridgepins na? how are they? i'm looking to buy some.


i had them on my old larrivee L05- di ko na feel yun difference from the stock pins...
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 28, 2006, 11:26:18 PM
Quote from: Al_Librero
interesting... do you think that "slight" increase in brightness with the use of brass pins be helpful enough to a cheap dreadnought size acoustic?


nope
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 11:28:38 PM
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anyone here used brass bridgepins na? how are they? i'm looking to buy some.


i had them on my old larrivee L05- di ko na feel yun difference from the stock pins...


ah talaga? hmmm... well siguro if not for the slightest improvement sa tone, siguro for aesthetics nalang, hehe.

how much benta mo sa d-28? nakakausap mo pa si sir glen angeles? diba may shenandoah d-35 sha? grabe gusto ko din sana yun eh, hehe. pero alam ko laminated back/sides ang mga shenandoah.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 28, 2006, 11:31:41 PM
Quote from: kulas
uy doc farseer, kumusta yung mga acoustic mo? the best talaga yung santa cruz mo eh, di ba medyo arched yung top nya?

nope, di arched yun... it has great balance... galing ng pagka voice, lightly built kaya feather weight, but i prefer the boominess and pressence of the martin d41 :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 28, 2006, 11:34:02 PM
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Quote from: kulas
anyone here used brass bridgepins na? how are they? i'm looking to buy some.


i had them on my old larrivee L05- di ko na feel yun difference from the stock pins...


ah talaga? hmmm... well siguro if not for the slightest improvement sa tone, siguro for aesthetics nalang, hehe.

how much benta mo sa d-28? nakakausap mo pa si sir glen angeles? diba may shenandoah d-35 sha? grabe gusto ko din sana yun eh, hehe. pero alam ko laminated back/sides ang mga shenandoah.


nabenta na yun shenandoah... its not a great guitar anyway, ok lang na pinalagpas mo yun.... mas bagay sa iyo mga 000 or om, pagipunan mo yun om28v....
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 11:34:41 PM
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uy doc farseer, kumusta yung mga acoustic mo? the best talaga yung santa cruz mo eh, di ba medyo arched yung top nya?


nope, di arched yun... it has great balance... galing ng pagka voice, not lightly built kaya feather weight, but i prefer the boominess and pressence of the martin d41 :D


ahh ok, yan yung nasa sounds good dati diba? i thought it was arched eh, maybe my eyes were playing tricks on me, hehe. hayy, how i'd love to own an all solid wood acoustic. kahit blueridge lang, hehe. iba talaga ang timbre ng solid wood eh, hehe. nabenta mo na yung 000-16 diba?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 11:38:27 PM
Quote from: farseer

nabenta na yun shenandoah... its not a great guitar anyway, ok lang na pinalagpas mo yun.... mas bagay sa iyo mga 000 or om, pagipunan mo yun om28v....


but it has quite a hefty price tag diba? hehe. om28v pa, kung om28 sa ishibashii i think is around 180k yen, pano pa yung om28v. hayy... hehe. kahit nga 000-15 ayos lang sakin eh, basta all solid.

i was able to try a guild 00-bodied acoustic, all mahogany. i forgot the model name eh, but it's a 1960's model. it belinged to a pastor in our church. i had arie repair its cracked bridge. nagustuhan ko din yung tunog nya eh, punchy, throaty sound. so i figured na ganon din tunog ng 15-series martins.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 28, 2006, 11:40:19 PM
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uy doc farseer, kumusta yung mga acoustic mo? the best talaga yung santa cruz mo eh, di ba medyo arched yung top nya?


nope, di arched yun... it has great balance... galing ng pagka voice, not lightly built kaya feather weight, but i prefer the boominess and pressence of the martin d41 :D


ahh ok, yan yung nasa sounds good dati diba? i thought it was arched eh, maybe my eyes were playing tricks on me, hehe. hayy, how i'd love to own an all solid wood acoustic. kahit blueridge lang, hehe. iba talaga ang timbre ng solid wood eh, hehe. nabenta mo na yung 000-16 diba?


the 00016 is gone... ok din yun kasi pre 94' so scalloped pa yun bracing tsaka naka dovetail pa... but for me mas bagay ang rosewood sa 000 at om, mas nagkaka depth yun tunog... sa dreads ganda ng mahogany- dream ko pa rin magka D18v- sana palarin, hehehe

ive tried some of the chinese made guilds- all solid, ganda ng finish- pero nabitin ako somewhat sa tunog... baka kelangan pang magopen, but seriously ive tried a lot of new guitars na maganda at malakas na tumunog  right out of the box  :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 28, 2006, 11:46:13 PM
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nabenta na yun shenandoah... its not a great guitar anyway, ok lang na pinalagpas mo yun.... mas bagay sa iyo mga 000 or om, pagipunan mo yun om28v....


but it has quite a hefty price tag diba? hehe. om28v pa, kung om28 sa ishibashii i think is around 180k yen, pano pa yung om28v. hayy... hehe. kahit nga 000-15 ayos lang sakin eh, basta all solid.

i was able to try a guild 00-bodied acoustic, all mahogany. i forgot the model name eh, but it's a 1960's model. it belinged to a pastor in our church. i had arie repair its cracked bridge. nagustuhan ko din yung tunog nya eh, punchy, throaty sound. so i figured na ganon din tunog ng 15-series martins.


180k is cheap for a new om28... pero pagiipunan ko yun v...

ive also had a 00015- masyadong matigas tumunog, but your right throaty nga...
best buy kung gusto  mo all solid w. sitka top is the 00015 custom- it can be had for about 700 bucks
I love my 1970 guild F50, grabe tumunog, beats the crap out of the gibson jumbos ive owned.... eto lang ang guild na nagustuhan ko so far, cept for their 12 string jumbos....
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 11:48:40 PM
ah talaga? how much do they go for? kung may all-solid acoustic ako i'll play the hell out of it, hehe. cheaper pa sa blueridge?

sayang di ko natry yung taylors sa may tomlee dati eh, merong american na sinolo nya yung room eh, locked himself in. pero ako sinolo ko yung martin room, hehe. then played around with the yamahas outside. ganda din yung fingerstyle guitar nila ah.

dati i went the way of ovations, hehe. na-attract ako sa bowl back nya. pero, no offense to ovation users, medyo na-plastic-an ako sa tunog nya, hehe. but amplified, medyo ok sila. i liked the resonance of wood better. i've owned around 4 ovations so far, an applause ae-28, an ovation celebrity cc057, ovation celebrity cc028 and an ovation celebrity deluxe cs257, i sold them all, hehe.

any ovation/applause users here? tell us your experiences.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: sonnyrayvaughn on March 28, 2006, 11:49:00 PM
my only acoustic guitar, an unknown brand called Vanderson..it was a spur of the moment purchase, in A-B-C ko sya against a Fender and a Takamine acoustic, and this won out...very very full sounding.

but but but, since i bought my variax.. yung acoustic models na lang ng variax ang ginagamit ko..full sounding and very convincing yung models nya IMHO, without the hard/heavy strings of a real acoustic.

im not much of an acoustic guitar fan...although i like acoustic music.. sometimes.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 11:50:35 PM
i think the 00015 custom is for sam ash lang diba? cheapest spruced top martin nga yun na all-solid. ganda yun pa-buff mo nalang yung satin finish nya para magka-gloss, hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 28, 2006, 11:52:48 PM
Quote from: kulas
ah talaga? how much do they go for? kung may all-solid acoustic ako i'll play the hell out of it, hehe. cheaper pa sa blueridge?

sayang di ko natry yung taylors sa may tomlee dati eh, merong american na sinolo nya yung room eh, locked himself in. pero ako sinolo ko yung martin room, hehe. then played around with the yamahas outside. ganda din yung fingerstyle guitar nila ah.

dati i went the way of ovations, hehe. na-attract ako sa bowl back nya. pero, no offense to ovation users, medyo na-plastic-an ako sa tunog nya, hehe. but amplified, medyo ok sila. i liked the resonance of wood better. i've owned around 4 ovations so far, an applause ae-28, an ovation celebrity cc057, ovation celebrity cc028 and an ovation celebrity deluxe cs257, i sold them all, hehe.

any ovation/applause users here? tell us your experiences.


ovations are not my type to, pero pag naka plug ok na din....
taylors in tomlees are expensive... the 5 and 6 series are my favorites
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 11:54:01 PM
Quote from: sonnyrayvaughn
my only acoustic guitar, an unknown brand called Vanderson..it was a spur of the moment purchase, in A-B-C ko sya against a Fender and a Takamine acoustic, and this won out...very very full sounding.

but but but, since i bought my variax.. yung acoustic models na lang ng variax ang ginagamit ko..full sounding and very convincing yung models nya IMHO, without the hard/heavy strings of a real acoustic.


is the variax acoustic modeller better than the acoustic mode of the parker fly? i haven't heard the variax eh, pero i've heard the parkers... and they come pretty close, hehehe.

@ farseer

yung isang guy sa church namin, naka taylor 7-series, i think it's a 714 with the fishman blend preamp. medyo matigas tumunog eh. musta naman taylor mo? what's the pickups of your taylor? fishman pa or naka expression system ka na?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 28, 2006, 11:54:11 PM
Quote from: kulas
i think the 00015 custom is for sam ash lang diba? cheapest spruced top martin nga yun na all-solid. ganda yun pa-buff mo nalang yung satin finish nya para magka-gloss, hehe.


di lang nga dovetail tsaka different type of bracing ang ginamit... but i think its worth ot or just get a 03 larrivee...
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 28, 2006, 11:56:46 PM
sarap talaga pag-usapan ng acoustic, hehehe. para akong na-liberate, hehe. sunod sunod ang posts ko, hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 28, 2006, 11:58:20 PM
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@ farseer

yung isang guy sa church namin, naka taylor 7-series, i think it's a 714 with the fishman blend preamp. medyo matigas tumunog eh. musta naman taylor mo? what's the pickups of your taylor? fishman pa or naka expression system ka na?


my taylor is a 94' 912c w/ factory installed fishman....es system 03' lang nagstart...  ayus naman tunog niya not spectacular....

usually malambot nga tumunog mga taylors, bright and crisp... baka heavy ang gauge na ginamit niya :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 28, 2006, 11:59:55 PM
Quote from: kulas
sarap talaga pag-usapan ng acoustic, hehehe. para akong na-liberate, hehe. sunod sunod ang posts ko, hehe.


yup acoustics din fave ko, dami ko kasi experience dyan e... tsaka lespauls
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 12:03:59 AM
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@ farseer

yung isang guy sa church namin, naka taylor 7-series, i think it's a 714 with the fishman blend preamp. medyo matigas tumunog eh. musta naman taylor mo? what's the pickups of your taylor? fishman pa or naka expression system ka na?


my taylor is a 94' 912c w/ factory installed fishman....es system 03' lang nagstart...  ayus naman tunog niya not spectacular....

usually malambot nga tumunog mga taylors, bright and crisp... baka heavy ang gauge na ginamit niya :D


well his is a cedar topped guitar, rosewood back and sides, he uses elixir lights ata. maybe hindi lang ako sanay sa warmth ng cedar. and medyo hindi ko type ang cedar/rosewood combo. medyo parang too warm for me, hehehe. maganda siguro cedar paired with mahogany. wala lang in theory, the punch of mahogany plus the warmth of cedar... may ganyan ba?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 29, 2006, 12:08:44 AM
ive tried a no frills lowden w/ cedar/mahogany combo... grabe, lakas ng volume, rich overtones.... mahal nga lang
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: sonnyrayvaughn on March 29, 2006, 12:09:23 AM
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my only acoustic guitar, an unknown brand called Vanderson..it was a spur of the moment purchase, in A-B-C ko sya against a Fender and a Takamine acoustic, and this won out...very very full sounding.

but but but, since i bought my variax.. yung acoustic models na lang ng variax ang ginagamit ko..full sounding and very convincing yung models nya IMHO, without the hard/heavy strings of a real acoustic.


is the variax acoustic modeller better than the acoustic mode of the parker fly? i haven't heard the variax eh, pero i've heard the parkers... and they come pretty close, hehehe.

@ farseer

yung isang guy sa church namin, naka taylor 7-series, i think it's a 714 with the fishman blend preamp. medyo matigas tumunog eh. musta naman taylor mo? what's the pickups of your taylor? fishman pa or naka expression system ka na?


I will try to record some of it when I have time...except for the 12string models, im very impressed with variax's acoustic sims.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 12:11:20 AM
wow, that oughtta sound good, hehe. buti ka pa you get to try the high end stuff. eh dito the closest you can get to a martin eh yung sigma guitars ng jbmusic, hehehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 12:12:30 AM
ayt sonnyray, looking forward to your recordings.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 29, 2006, 12:15:59 AM
may sigma pa ba dito??? daming magandang acoustic pero martins pa rin ako.... but collings, froggy, huss and dalton, santacruz, lowden, lalo na goodall magaganda rin :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 12:18:10 AM
Quote from: farseer
may sigma pa ba dito??? daming magandang acoustic pero martins pa rin ako.... but collings, froggy, huss and dalton, santacruz, lowden, lalo na goodall magaganda rin :D


yup, jb got stocks ulit. wala eh, pinakamaganda na nila yung dm1st model. yun lang yung solid top eh.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: sonnyrayvaughn on March 29, 2006, 02:09:21 AM
Quote from: kulas
ayt sonnyray, looking forward to your recordings.


lakas ka sa kin.. i recorded 2 of my favorite acoustic models sa Variax...
let me know what you think of it... passable na ba ? recorded with no effects watsoever!
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=3709049&q=hi

http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=3709003&q=hi
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: af_villaruel on March 29, 2006, 04:09:13 AM
ive got two words for you.

PRE-WAR MARTIN.  :lol:
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 07:16:26 AM
Quote from: sonnyrayvaughn
Quote from: kulas
ayt sonnyray, looking forward to your recordings.


lakas ka sa kin.. i recorded 2 of my favorite acoustic models sa Variax...
let me know what you think of it... passable na ba ? recorded with no effects watsoever!
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=3709049&q=hi

http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=3709003&q=hi


ang tindi ng tunog ah, i can almost hear the top wood. better than the parker acoustic sound. yung parker kasi medyo sparkly acoustic yung tunog nya eh, and a little too much sustain for an acoustic. pero yan sakto ah. maniniwala na sana ako na acoustic sha if not for the bends eh, hehehe. can't do those bends in a real acoustic, hehe. pero grabe pala variax, malufeth! nice clips srv!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on March 29, 2006, 07:21:50 AM
i tried a goodall once....the price had me coughing - it was 3,ooo dollars! Good lord! I became more afraid to touch it after seeing the price.

Sonny, the variac sounds great! It has a great DI sound that you do a lot in the studio. Great work!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: 16track on March 29, 2006, 07:22:02 AM
Very nice!
 :D

Quote from: sonnyrayvaughn
Quote from: kulas
ayt sonnyray, looking forward to your recordings.


lakas ka sa kin.. i recorded 2 of my favorite acoustic models sa Variax...
let me know what you think of it... passable na ba ? recorded with no effects watsoever!
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=3709049&q=hi

http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=3709003&q=hi
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Phil on March 29, 2006, 07:30:08 AM
Quote from: sonnyrayvaughn
Quote from: kulas
ayt sonnyray, looking forward to your recordings.


lakas ka sa kin.. i recorded 2 of my favorite acoustic models sa Variax...
let me know what you think of it... passable na ba ? recorded with no effects watsoever!
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=3709049&q=hi

http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=3709003&q=hi


ganda ah...mas maganda pa sa acoustic simulator ng Behringer....galing mo pala Son ...mag acoustic...ako alam ko "Horse with no name lang". hehehe 8)I like both songs.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 10:11:09 AM
just downloaded the crossroads movie (not britney, hehe) ganda nga ng tunog nung acoustic nung si ralph macchio, crisp, full, punchy tone. with that tone feeling ko ang light nung body nung guitar na yun, probably a spruce/mahogany combo. ganda din nung showdown nila ni steve vai sa bandang dulo eh, hehe. ganda ng tele, pero ibang thread na yan, hehehe. anyway, who wants a copy?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 29, 2006, 10:23:23 AM
pwede na yun variax, mala taylor yun tone... ganda ng clips ni srv....
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 10:37:56 AM
what model variax is that? 700? 600? type ko yung variax 600 na sunburst with tortoise pickguard eh. ampogi. medyo hindi ko lang type yung korte nya, hehe.

guys, any feedback on the epiphone/gibson chet atkins SST? how is it?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Phil on March 29, 2006, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: kulas
just downloaded the crossroads movie (not britney, hehe) ganda nga ng tunog nung acoustic nung si ralph macchio, crisp, full, punchy tone. with that tone feeling ko ang light nung body nung guitar na yun, probably a spruce/mahogany combo. ganda din nung showdown nila ni steve vai sa bandang dulo eh, hehe. ganda ng tele, pero ibang thread na yan, hehehe. anyway, who wants a copy?
deltaslim wants one.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on March 29, 2006, 11:46:49 AM
si kulas bago avatar,, naks.. ampogi! nyaha!  :lol:
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: sonnyrayvaughn on March 29, 2006, 04:45:17 PM
Quote from: farseer
pwede na yun variax, mala taylor yun tone... ganda ng clips ni srv....


thanks guys for checking it out.

yung mga gears mo sir Farseer, mouth-watering kaya eto hanggang sa modelling na lang ako hehe.

yung dalawang models na ginamit ko e yung:

Based on 1959 Martin D-28
Based on 1995 Gibson J-200

Kulas, its the variax 600, sunburst ang kulay as you have described.

thanks abyss and 16.

preng phil, horse with no name...that was my first song! eto pa isang magandang acoustic song na madali, 2 chords lang din, yung I dont wanna wait in vain ni marley na ni-remake ni annie lennox...

sensya na ginulo ko yung thread. pero I agree, iba pa rin yung feel nung wide-bodied acoustic guitar...and wala pa rin tatalo sa value na dala nito during inuman sessions hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: bunny rabbit on March 29, 2006, 05:08:48 PM
ano magandang entry level acoustic na available dito? nagstart kasi ako sa nylon, tapos electric. gusto ko lang sana ng matinong acoustic. hehe :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on March 29, 2006, 05:10:57 PM
oscar schimdt is good as an entry level acoustic guitar..

some people here have one.. you can PM them for advice..
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Alchemist0725 on March 29, 2006, 05:12:43 PM
guys, have you ever tried Montana guitars from JB? can i get good sounds from there? actually i tested it, ok naman tunog... pero pagsinaksak na sa amp sobrang nipis ng tunog! maganda pa tunog ng ampsim ng G2. im looking for a cheapo-but-good sounding acoustic sana? any suggestions guys? how about Oscar Schimdt by Washburn? Rockstar? or Applause? mejo ignorant ako pagdating sa acoustics eh. hehe! thanks!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on March 29, 2006, 09:12:42 PM
Quote from: kulas
just downloaded the crossroads movie (not britney, hehe) ganda nga ng tunog nung acoustic nung si ralph macchio, crisp, full, punchy tone. with that tone feeling ko ang light nung body nung guitar na yun, probably a spruce/mahogany combo. ganda din nung showdown nila ni steve vai sa bandang dulo eh, hehe. ganda ng tele, pero ibang thread na yan, hehehe. anyway, who wants a copy?


ME ME ME!!!  tagal ko na hinahanap yan. HS pa ako nung una at huli ko napanood yan.

kelan at saan pwede magabutan or pick-up?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 09:20:26 PM
sure ka you're willing to wait till that time? hehe. we can arrange to meet nalang. gusto nyo punta tayo lahat sa bahay ni arie, hehehe. nang magka--alaman narin tungkol sa diezel amp na yan, hehe. ooops, wrong thread ata, hehehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on March 29, 2006, 09:22:39 PM
Quote from: john_petrucci0725
guys, have you ever tried Montana guitars from JB? can i get good sounds from there? actually i tested it, ok naman tunog... pero pagsinaksak na sa amp sobrang nipis ng tunog! maganda pa tunog ng ampsim ng G2. im looking for a cheapo-but-good sounding acoustic sana? any suggestions guys? how about Oscar Schimdt by Washburn? Rockstar? or Applause? mejo ignorant ako pagdating sa acoustics eh. hehe! thanks!



bro and akowstik guitar ko Ibanez AEL ang model....oks ang tunog, ganda buong buo... pde mo try sa audiophile.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on March 29, 2006, 09:26:31 PM
Quote from: kulas
just downloaded the crossroads movie (not britney, hehe) ganda nga ng tunog nung acoustic nung si ralph macchio, crisp, full, punchy tone. with that tone feeling ko ang light nung body nung guitar na yun, probably a spruce/mahogany combo. ganda din nung showdown nila ni steve vai sa bandang dulo eh, hehe. ganda ng tele, pero ibang thread na yan, hehehe. anyway, who wants a copy?



wooooooowwww meron ka nun??? mis ko na yang movie na yan! tagal ko na rin hinahanap yan sa mga nagbebenta ng DIBIDI...DIBIDI...DIBIDI...
penge po ng copy? magkano?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 09:40:07 PM
hmmm, oks lang bro. i'm open for trade with dvd concerts, hehe. kung gusto nyo, pwede nyo kunin sakin sa GMA, hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on March 29, 2006, 09:56:26 PM
cge pre daanan ko bukas...between 10 to 3 lang ako pde...coding e...ano gusto mo concert??? trade tayo!..
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 10:01:40 PM
what have you got to offer bro? hehehe
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on March 29, 2006, 10:16:28 PM
meron ako CROSSROADS FESTIVAL...baka meron ka n rin nun e...ano ba gusto mo?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 10:54:30 PM
meron na ako nun eh dude. ano pa? hehe
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on March 29, 2006, 11:20:40 PM
lahat ata ng mga concerts meron kana e...bilhin ko na lang yan! hehehe plsssss
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 11:24:32 PM
pagmamahal pre? hehehe oks lang. you did me a favor, i'll do you a favor. basta text moko pag papunta ka na. 0916-4884576. thanks dude!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 29, 2006, 11:51:35 PM
mga brods, i'm having trouble burning the DVD, i dunno what's the problem with my burner. will message tomorrow kung ayos na, i'll try to burn it in the office. thanks guys!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: lykenhowl on March 30, 2006, 12:58:57 AM
Quote from: kulas
mga brods, i'm having trouble burning the DVD, i dunno what's the problem with my burner. will message tomorrow kung ayos na, i'll try to burn it in the office. thanks guys!


Pwede bang upload mo na lang sa Megaupload tapos download namin from there? :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 30, 2006, 12:59:57 AM
it's around 700mb eh. how do i upload there? do i need to have an account?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: lykenhowl on March 30, 2006, 01:03:11 AM
Quote from: kulas
it's around 700mb eh. how do i upload there? do i need to have an account?



AAAAAAAAACCCCKKKKKK!!!!!! Masyadong malaki, yup kelangan mo ng account pero libre naman eh.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 30, 2006, 01:50:01 AM
maybe i can burn it as a file nalang, divx avi sha eh. download nalang kayo ng divx player, hehehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: kawal on March 30, 2006, 07:59:10 AM
top, back and side material + saddle & nut material + bridge stability + neck angle and material + strings + action & intonation = guitar tone

get a Martin 000-42ECB, E.C. brazilian rosewood. malalaman siguro natin kung anong ibig sabihin ng true acoustic tone. hehe.. :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Alchemist0725 on March 30, 2006, 08:10:27 AM
Quote from: hordex
Quote from: john_petrucci0725
guys, have you ever tried Montana guitars from JB? can i get good sounds from there? actually i tested it, ok naman tunog... pero pagsinaksak na sa amp sobrang nipis ng tunog! maganda pa tunog ng ampsim ng G2. im looking for a cheapo-but-good sounding acoustic sana? any suggestions guys? how about Oscar Schimdt by Washburn? Rockstar? or Applause? mejo ignorant ako pagdating sa acoustics eh. hehe! thanks!



bro and akowstik guitar ko Ibanez AEL ang model....oks ang tunog, ganda buong buo... pde mo try sa audiophile.


how much for that baby pareng Hordex? :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on March 30, 2006, 08:32:16 AM
nabili ko lang ng 13+ dati....ngayon ata 14 na...pero ganda yung bago nila model may build in tuner na at 2 na yung port ng guitar cable ( yung isa parang port sa mic...ano na nga ba tawag dun??? )

sayang nga e old model nabili ko....swap ko ayaw nila..hehehehe...pero oks lang parehas lang ng tunog! may built in tuner lang uyng bago.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on March 30, 2006, 09:34:50 AM
Quote from: hordex
nabili ko lang ng 13+ dati....ngayon ata 14 na...pero ganda yung bago nila model may build in tuner na at 2 na yung port ng guitar cable ( yung isa parang port sa mic...ano na nga ba tawag dun??? )

sayang nga e old model nabili ko....swap ko ayaw nila..hehehehe...pero oks lang parehas lang ng tunog! may built in tuner lang uyng bago.


XLR ata tawag dun..
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Alchemist0725 on March 30, 2006, 11:30:07 AM
Quote from: hordex
nabili ko lang ng 13+ dati....ngayon ata 14 na...pero ganda yung bago nila model may build in tuner na at 2 na yung port ng guitar cable ( yung isa parang port sa mic...ano na nga ba tawag dun??? )

sayang nga e old model nabili ko....swap ko ayaw nila..hehehehe...pero oks lang parehas lang ng tunog! may built in tuner lang uyng bago.


tingin ako nya sa stage point & raon... bka meron! 10k lang budget ko eh...

@progressive: ok din ung dala mong Rockstar acoustic ah....  magkano un? :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on March 30, 2006, 11:56:40 AM
Quote from: john_petrucci0725
Quote from: hordex
nabili ko lang ng 13+ dati....ngayon ata 14 na...pero ganda yung bago nila model may build in tuner na at 2 na yung port ng guitar cable ( yung isa parang port sa mic...ano na nga ba tawag dun??? )

sayang nga e old model nabili ko....swap ko ayaw nila..hehehehe...pero oks lang parehas lang ng tunog! may built in tuner lang uyng bago.


tingin ako nya sa stage point & raon... bka meron! 10k lang budget ko eh...

@progressive: ok din ung dala mong Rockstar acoustic ah....  magkano un? :D



dude, yung dala ko that was a FERNANDO, nakuha ko ng 4000php, sa SAlonga sa cubao, nakasale kasi last item, pero pag hindi sale, 5000php,
ok, din ang tunog for a low budget guitar,, pero yung ibanez pa rin talaga gusto ko, yung tulad kay hordex..
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 30, 2006, 01:06:58 PM
i used to own an ibanez acoustic din, an aeg10, thin body acoustic/electric.

@ hordex - sayang pre hindi ko din inabutan yung upgrade nila sa preamps eh, nakuha ko yung lumang model pa nung ibanez na thinline.

@ progressive_pilipinas - oks naman yung acoustic mo pre eh. medyo matalim lang yung tunog, konting adjust lang sa EQ yan at ayos na.

minsan acoustic jam naman tayo, hehe. anyone up for it? sked natin one time.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 30, 2006, 01:17:04 PM
Quote from: kawal
top, back and side material + saddle & nut material + bridge stability + neck angle and material + strings + action & intonation = guitar tone

get a Martin 000-42ECB, E.C. brazilian rosewood. malalaman siguro natin kung anong ibig sabihin ng true acoustic tone. hehe.. :D


sa akin its a pre war martin... or the newer marquis or golden era series D28  up :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 30, 2006, 01:18:32 PM
Quote from: sonnyrayvaughn
Quote from: farseer
pwede na yun variax, mala taylor yun tone... ganda ng clips ni srv....


thanks guys for checking it out.

yung mga gears mo sir Farseer, mouth-watering kaya eto hanggang sa modelling na lang ako hehe.



ill trade them for better chops :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on March 30, 2006, 01:21:36 PM
Quote from: bunny rabbit
ano magandang entry level acoustic na available dito? nagstart kasi ako sa nylon, tapos electric. gusto ko lang sana ng matinong acoustic. hehe :D


chek out the old yamahas, morris, catseye- mga japanese copies.... you can get one under 10k, look for 1 w/ solid top...

pag plugged naman,  get an ibanez nalang.... upgrade pag nagsawa or nakaipon ka na :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on March 30, 2006, 01:28:05 PM
Quote from: farseer
Quote from: bunny rabbit
ano magandang entry level acoustic na available dito? nagstart kasi ako sa nylon, tapos electric. gusto ko lang sana ng matinong acoustic. hehe :D


chek out the old yamahas, morris, catseye- mga japanese copies.... you can get one under 10k, look for 1 w/ solid top...

pag plugged naman,  get an ibanez nalang.... upgrade pag nagsawa or nakaipon ka na :D


yup, madaming morris na nagkalat jan around 5-10k lang. yung sakin, it's a 1975 w-15 model dreadnought. i don't think it's solid top pero maganda parin tunog nya, halos pareho sila nung jasmine ko na solid top. sa buyandsellph.com may nakita ako mga morris. go grab one now! hehe
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on March 30, 2006, 02:54:56 PM
Quote from: kulas
i used to own an ibanez acoustic din, an aeg10, thin body acoustic/electric.

@ hordex - sayang pre hindi ko din inabutan yung upgrade nila sa preamps eh, nakuha ko yung lumang model pa nung ibanez na thinline.

@ progressive_pilipinas - oks naman yung acoustic mo pre eh. medyo matalim lang yung tunog, konting adjust lang sa EQ yan at ayos na.

minsan acoustic jam naman tayo, hehe. anyone up for it? sked natin one time.


oo, dude, light talaga ako magtimpla,, matalas nga hehe,, sige sa susunod na jam natin mejo, bibilugin ko,,  :lol:
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on March 30, 2006, 11:04:43 PM
Quote from: kulas
i used to own an ibanez acoustic din, an aeg10, thin body acoustic/electric.

@ hordex - sayang pre hindi ko din inabutan yung upgrade nila sa preamps eh, nakuha ko yung lumang model pa nung ibanez na thinline.

@ progressive_pilipinas - oks naman yung acoustic mo pre eh. medyo matalim lang yung tunog, konting adjust lang sa EQ yan at ayos na.

minsan acoustic jam naman tayo, hehe. anyone up for it? sked natin one time.


call ako dyan....meron akong cajon....AKOWSTIK JAM NA!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Alchemist0725 on March 31, 2006, 08:06:24 AM
@ progressive: hehe! Fernando pala... ano nga pla nasaisip bat rockstar ung naitype ko hehe! nways, pahiram na rin ng acoustic pag may acustic jam! hehe!  :lol:
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on March 31, 2006, 09:41:54 AM
If anyone's looking for a Seagull or Art & Lutherie acoustic guitar..
Head over to PP North Edsa. Just saw it yesterday.

*For those who remember that discussion in Yupangco forum, andun yung magandang babae na naka-Line 6 tshirt  :lol:
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on March 31, 2006, 03:32:17 PM
Quote from: Red_Strat
If anyone's looking for a Seagull or Art & Lutherie acoustic guitar..
Head over to PP North Edsa. Just saw it yesterday.

*For those who remember that discussion in Yupangco forum, andun yung magandang babae na naka-Line 6 tshirt  :lol:


talaga? eh baka naman ginamitan din ng 'modelling technology' ang mga bumpers nila??! ;-)
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on April 01, 2006, 08:32:13 PM
Possibly.. :lol:
I wasn't able to look at her long enough (nakakahiya naman), & one of the guys at the store (salesman) was having his afternoon fun with a guitar. He was playing this riff that just stuck in my head - at least for that whole day.
It reminded me of sir mark villar's "Aroused"  :D

(OT na - sorry kulas)
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 01, 2006, 08:43:21 PM
re: seagull and art & lutherie guitars. pareho sila ng makers, pati yung godin guitars. puro made in quebec, canada yung mga yun. maganda naman ang tunog ng seagull, kaya lang mashadong limited lang ang models na meron sila dito, mostly the dreadnought or folk sized ones at mostly cedar tops pa. pero solid cedar naman ang tops nila and laminated cherry back and sides. maganda tunog, kinda dry though. hindi lang ako masanay sa malapad na fingerboard nya. almost like a classical guitar. maganda sana yung parlor guitar nila, sana magka-ganon dito na steel strings... solid yun, hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on April 01, 2006, 08:47:05 PM
Quote from: kulas
pagmamahal pre? hehehe oks lang. you did me a favor, i'll do you a favor. basta text moko pag papunta ka na. 0916-4884576. thanks dude!



bro salamat ulit!!!! di nako nakatiis..pinanood ko agad pag dating ko...kahit late na...hehehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 01, 2006, 08:48:34 PM
eto question for you guys...

what's the best non-high end acoustic you've tried? or rephrase nalang, the best "asian-made" or non-us made acoustic guitar you've tried.

ako so far, i like the sounds of my acoustics, the jasmine and the morris. maganda naman ang balance nya sa highs and lows. bright highs, and deep bass, dreadnoughts kasi eh. compared dun sa dati kong thinline ibanez aeg-10, medyo manipis tunog. however, i saw an ibanez artwood series na 000-bodied that i really liked. since artwood sha malamang solid top yun, ganda ng porma, spruce top, laminate walnut (yata) back and sides, gold tuners and tortoise pickguard. saya sana bilhin yun kaya lang walang cash. 14k sha last time i saw it in alimall. ganda ng tunog, and it's bound to get better pa.

kayo naman magshare... hehe
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Robotgoogle on April 02, 2006, 09:14:12 AM
Got under my care a Martin D35. I dont hear much good praise about since a lot of people talks about the D18, 28 or 41 but for me this is the true acoustic tone.

I installed a K&K Pure Western pickup  runs through a K&K XLR preamp and to the PA.

I am currently using John Pearse Mediums now for test driving but I have been using Elixirs Phosphor Bronze Lights. I like the feel and the life of Elixirs but the light gauge is too slinky for me. Gusto ko yung lumalaban ang guitar kaya I would definitely trade this Elixir Lights to Medium.

So far wala pa naman nakakatalo sa tunog nito excepts for (naglalaway) yung Santa Cruz na nahawakan ko.. pero wow naman sa presyo P217K ang presyo so hanggang pangarap na lang muna.

The Blueridge Gospel Model also caught my ear. Maganda ang Blueridge ganda feel ng neck, lakas ng tunog, clear ang notes. Baka BR ang bilhin ko pangharabas.

Yung Taylor naman....hmmm yung low ends nila I was not impressed...medyo manipis yun sound nya e. yung pinakamatino nga na close to a Martin ang sound is....400 series or 700 series.

Sa low ends....Takamine na ang pinaka ok sakin...ovation manipis (unplugged).

So far Martin at Santa Cruz pa lang ang nagpapalaway sakin.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on April 02, 2006, 09:17:24 AM
hmm.. lagi ko naririnig yung low end at high end.. ano ba yung mga yun?! :lol:
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 02, 2006, 11:42:44 AM
The yamahas form the mid 70s and 80s maayos tumunog, definitely better than the seagulls.... even tried the more than 50k+ seagull w/ solid sitka and maple back and sides pati yun mga artist models...

but pag gusto mo talaga ng pure acoustic tone- unplugged... imho, you have to spend some money talaga... atleast a 03 larrivee' or a 15 custom series na martin....
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 02, 2006, 11:46:35 AM
Quote from: Robotgoogle
Got under my care a Martin D35. I dont hear much good praise about since a lot of people talks about the D18, 28 or 41 but for me this is the true acoustic tone.

I installed a K&K Pure Western pickup  runs through a K&K XLR preamp and to the PA.

I am currently using John Pearse Mediums now for test driving but I have been using Elixirs Phosphor Bronze Lights. I like the feel and the life of Elixirs but the light gauge is too slinky for me. Gusto ko yung lumalaban ang guitar kaya I would definitely trade this Elixir Lights to Medium.

So far wala pa naman nakakatalo sa tunog nito excepts for (naglalaway) yung Santa Cruz na nahawakan ko.. pero wow naman sa presyo P217K ang presyo so hanggang pangarap na lang muna.

The Blueridge Gospel Model also caught my ear. Maganda ang Blueridge ganda feel ng neck, lakas ng tunog, clear ang notes. Baka BR ang bilhin ko pangharabas.

Yung Taylor naman....hmmm yung low ends nila I was not impressed...medyo manipis yun sound nya e. yung pinakamatino nga na close to a Martin ang sound is....400 series or 700 series.

Sa low ends....Takamine na ang pinaka ok sakin...ovation manipis (unplugged).

So far Martin at Santa Cruz pa lang ang nagpapalaway sakin.


What santacruz did you try???  sa taylors experiece ko, consistent na maayos ang mga guitars nila even sa 1 and  2 series...  pero walang wow factor cept for the 5 and 6 series... iba kasi voicing ng taylor :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on April 02, 2006, 03:03:33 PM
sana magkaroon tayo ng acoustic tone party. host si farseer, produced by kulas (tnx nga pala sa dvd!) :-)

very elusive kasi ang perfect acoustic tone.  and dahil sa high prices, and lack of soundclips, it's hard to really have an idea of what's out there. i wonder how much better the high end acoustics are and whether pwede na yung mas mura.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on April 02, 2006, 03:05:44 PM
Quote from: deltaslim
sana magkaroon tayo ng acoustic tone party. host si farseer, produced by kulas (tnx nga pala sa dvd!) :-)

very elusive kasi ang perfect acoustic tone.  and dahil sa high prices, and lack of soundclips, it's hard to really have an idea of what's out there. i wonder how much better the high end acoustics are and whether pwede na yung mas mura.


speaking of acoustic tone party? jam ba ito? haha! game kelan? set agad ng date!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 02, 2006, 05:59:00 PM
acoustic tone party... sounds good! saan kaya maganda ang venue? maganda kung maganda yung "acoustics" nung place, para talagang feel na feel natin yung vibe from the acoustics. yung definition ko (for myself of course) of a good aocustic guitar is one which can make you feel its vibrations as you play it. yung tipong mayayanig ka habang tumutugtog. yung you don't hear its sound but instead, you feel it, hehehe. sarap nun!

re: d-35, i've always wanted a d-35 kasi ganon yung gitara ni dave matthews dati, hehe. pero ngayon mas gusto ko na yung om/000 sizes.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Robotgoogle on April 02, 2006, 11:47:59 PM
Quote from: kulas
acoustic tone party... sounds good! saan kaya maganda ang venue? maganda kung maganda yung "acoustics" nung place, para talagang feel na feel natin yung vibe from the acoustics. yung definition ko (for myself of course) of a good aocustic guitar is one which can make you feel its vibrations as you play it. yung tipong mayayanig ka habang tumutugtog. yung you don't hear its sound but instead, you feel it, hehehe. sarap nun!

re: d-35, i've always wanted a d-35 kasi ganon yung gitara ni dave matthews dati, hehe. pero ngayon mas gusto ko na yung om/000 sizes.


ha ha ha..parang nakadinig na ako nyan ganyan tunog.

Nung nilabas nung shop na pinuntahan yung santa cruz model na worth almost a million pesos (P992K) nadinig ko na ng talagang malupit na tunog.

Partida open strings pa lang yun. I did not even bother to touch it.

I did not remember what model or even did not made the effort to knoww it since these kinds of guitars just dont exist to me...price wise. (Maybe if im filthy rich!)

Alam ko lang Santa Cruz, Brazilian Rosewood, NAMM quality...at sandamakmak ang inlays.

So far my Martin D35 helps me make through the day...
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Robotgoogle on April 02, 2006, 11:53:07 PM
Quote from: farseer
Quote from: Robotgoogle
Got under my care a Martin D35. I dont hear much good praise about since a lot of people talks about the D18, 28 or 41 but for me this is the true acoustic tone.

I installed a K&K Pure Western pickup  runs through a K&K XLR preamp and to the PA.

I am currently using John Pearse Mediums now for test driving but I have been using Elixirs Phosphor Bronze Lights. I like the feel and the life of Elixirs but the light gauge is too slinky for me. Gusto ko yung lumalaban ang guitar kaya I would definitely trade this Elixir Lights to Medium.

So far wala pa naman nakakatalo sa tunog nito excepts for (naglalaway) yung Santa Cruz na nahawakan ko.. pero wow naman sa presyo P217K ang presyo so hanggang pangarap na lang muna.

The Blueridge Gospel Model also caught my ear. Maganda ang Blueridge ganda feel ng neck, lakas ng tunog, clear ang notes. Baka BR ang bilhin ko pangharabas.

Yung Taylor naman....hmmm yung low ends nila I was not impressed...medyo manipis yun sound nya e. yung pinakamatino nga na close to a Martin ang sound is....400 series or 700 series.

Sa low ends....Takamine na ang pinaka ok sakin...ovation manipis (unplugged).

So far Martin at Santa Cruz pa lang ang nagpapalaway sakin.


What santacruz did you try???  sa taylors experiece ko, consistent na maayos ang mga guitars nila even sa 1 and  2 series...  pero walang wow factor cept for the 5 and 6 series... iba kasi voicing ng taylor :D


yun cguro hinahanap ko...yung wow factor kaso wala talaga e.... parang takamine lang ang sound e.

nahanap ko ang wow sa sound ng Martin. Parang piano ang dating sakin nitong D35 na ito e nung unang nadinig ko. nanginginig pa ako nung binili ko..

imagine ang unang guitar ko lumanog ovation copy tapos after a couple of years...nakaMartin.  :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Robotgoogle on April 02, 2006, 11:57:49 PM
Quote from: progressive_pilipinas
hmm.. lagi ko naririnig yung low end at high end.. ano ba yung mga yun?! :lol:


ako basehan ko price e...

for acoustics>

super low ends - lumanog
low ends sakin - takamines, yamaha, ibanez
high - martin, maton, seagulls, taylor
super high - santa cruz, olsen,

actually rough description to dahil me mga low ends na
mahal. me mga high ends na mura.

at yung super high mapapamura ka.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 03, 2006, 08:06:49 AM
ako ang hierarchy ko ng presyo, hehe.

note: brand new price eto ah, hehe.

below 10k guitars - low end
above 10k guitars - 30k guitars - mid end
above 30k guitars - 100k guitars - high end
above 100k guitars to infinity - super high end

ako i'm not a fan of overly-inlaid acoustics. ok na sakin yung inlaid binding, inlaid rosette and fretboard inlays, hehe. basta abalone, ganda ng abalone eh. di ko na type yung mga mala-d50 or d100 inlays, hehe.

ako mga pangarap kong acoustics (pangarap lang kasi malabo ako makabili nito, hehe):

pag martin: om-28v, 000-28, d-28, d-35, 000-18v
santa cruz: om prewar

actually ang nagustuhan ko sa santa cruz eh yung no-frills design nila, lalo na yung mga prewar. pero anlupet ng tunog.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 03, 2006, 11:34:54 AM
Quote from: Robotgoogle
Quote from: kulas
acoustic tone party... sounds good! saan kaya maganda ang venue? maganda kung maganda yung "acoustics" nung place, para talagang feel na feel natin yung vibe from the acoustics. yung definition ko (for myself of course) of a good aocustic guitar is one which can make you feel its vibrations as you play it. yung tipong mayayanig ka habang tumutugtog. yung you don't hear its sound but instead, you feel it, hehehe. sarap nun!

re: d-35, i've always wanted a d-35 kasi ganon yung gitara ni dave matthews dati, hehe. pero ngayon mas gusto ko na yung om/000 sizes.


ha ha ha..parang nakadinig na ako nyan ganyan tunog.

Nung nilabas nung shop na pinuntahan yung santa cruz model na worth almost a million pesos (P992K) nadinig ko na ng talagang malupit na tunog.

Partida open strings pa lang yun. I did not even bother to touch it.

I did not remember what model or even did not made the effort to knoww it since these kinds of guitars just dont exist to me...price wise. (Maybe if im filthy rich!)

Alam ko lang Santa Cruz, Brazilian Rosewood, NAMM quality...at sandamakmak ang inlays.

So far my Martin D35 helps me make through the day...


well thats an expensive santacruz... the inlays wont help in the tone department... try the prewar models- cheapaest yan kasi no frills- killer tone....
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 03, 2006, 11:37:05 AM
Low end: 300 bucks below
High end: 2000 bucks up
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 03, 2006, 11:42:15 AM
Quote from: Robotgoogle
Quote from: progressive_pilipinas
hmm.. lagi ko naririnig yung low end at high end.. ano ba yung mga yun?! :lol:


ako basehan ko price e...

for acoustics>

super low ends - lumanog
low ends sakin - takamines, yamaha, ibanez
high - martin, maton, seagulls, taylor
super high - santa cruz, olsen,

actually rough description to dahil me mga low ends na
mahal. me mga high ends na mura.

at yung super high mapapamura ka.


mahirap mag base sa brands... for example there are yamahas above 2k in their current production line, same goes w/ takamine.... on the other hand may murang taylor (110) and matons lalo na seagull... martins naman cater to everyone from 300 bucks to 50k, laki ng range.... :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 03, 2006, 11:43:58 AM
Quote from: deltaslim
sana magkaroon tayo ng acoustic tone party. host si farseer, produced by kulas (tnx nga pala sa dvd!) :-)

very elusive kasi ang perfect acoustic tone.  and dahil sa high prices, and lack of soundclips, it's hard to really have an idea of what's out there. i wonder how much better the high end acoustics are and whether pwede na yung mas mura.


 Sa december pa ako malamang makakapaghost, by that time ill have my own place na... gagawan ko ng maliit na music room... :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 03, 2006, 01:48:09 PM
Quote from: farseer
Quote from: deltaslim
sana magkaroon tayo ng acoustic tone party. host si farseer, produced by kulas (tnx nga pala sa dvd!) :-)

very elusive kasi ang perfect acoustic tone.  and dahil sa high prices, and lack of soundclips, it's hard to really have an idea of what's out there. i wonder how much better the high end acoustics are and whether pwede na yung mas mura.


 Sa december pa ako malamang makakapaghost, by that time ill have my own place na... gagawan ko ng maliit na music room... :D


well, that's a future venue. i can't wait till december eh, hehe. kailangan makapag-tone party na tayo soon, hehe. anyone know a small, carpeted, air conditioned place? in other words, a studio, hehe. pero i think it would be more expensive pag nag-rent tayo ng studio diba? di pa pwede magpasok ng food, hehe. oh well, sana makahanap tayo ng place. what areas would you prefer?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: agentx44 on April 03, 2006, 02:18:07 PM
napapag-usapan na rin lang, anybody here know any local luthiers who build good acoustics? please exclude any and all members of the Lumanog and Bandilla clan, please.  :lol:
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Robotgoogle on April 04, 2006, 07:50:43 AM
Quote from: farseer
Quote from: Robotgoogle
Quote from: kulas
acoustic tone party... sounds good! saan kaya maganda ang venue? maganda kung maganda yung "acoustics" nung place, para talagang feel na feel natin yung vibe from the acoustics. yung definition ko (for myself of course) of a good aocustic guitar is one which can make you feel its vibrations as you play it. yung tipong mayayanig ka habang tumutugtog. yung you don't hear its sound but instead, you feel it, hehehe. sarap nun!

re: d-35, i've always wanted a d-35 kasi ganon yung gitara ni dave matthews dati, hehe. pero ngayon mas gusto ko na yung om/000 sizes.


ha ha ha..parang nakadinig na ako nyan ganyan tunog.

Nung nilabas nung shop na pinuntahan yung santa cruz model na worth almost a million pesos (P992K) nadinig ko na ng talagang malupit na tunog.

Partida open strings pa lang yun. I did not even bother to touch it.

I did not remember what model or even did not made the effort to knoww it since these kinds of guitars just dont exist to me...price wise. (Maybe if im filthy rich!)

Alam ko lang Santa Cruz, Brazilian Rosewood, NAMM quality...at sandamakmak ang inlays.

So far my Martin D35 helps me make through the day...


well thats an expensive santacruz... the inlays wont help in the tone department... try the prewar models- cheapaest yan kasi no frills- killer tone....


actually yng brazilian rosewood ang nagpaganda ng sound. yung inlay pampahype lang ng moral kung sino man ang tutugtog.
Title: try an Antoria, you wont regret buying one
Post by: dominant_chord2005 on April 04, 2006, 07:58:18 AM
It has a full bodied tone with just enough high to make your notes sing. I 've had mine set up with Martin strings to get that Matrin feel and it felt like I owneda Martin as well. Nasira lng ng utol ko ung gitara due to carelessness, ayun nawala ung legacy ng uncle ko na Briton .....

anyway...try looking for the Antoria brand, you wont  part with it...for a non US guitar, its worth an investment
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 04, 2006, 10:52:46 AM
I dont think that braz rw has tonal superiority over IR or madagascar rw... its just more stunning to look at, same goes w/ cocobolos.... mas importante yun top, maybe they used a master class adirondack or german spruce top....
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 04, 2006, 10:58:44 AM
Quote from: agentx44
napapag-usapan na rin lang, anybody here know any local luthiers who build good acoustics? please exclude any and all members of the Lumanog and Bandilla clan, please.  :lol:


I had a jumbo guitar custom built for me... solid spruce top, solid flamed maple back and sides, ebony board and bridge.... took 90 days to finish... pero yun kinalabasab- SABLAY... ang hina tumunog nun guitar e jumbo pa yun.... walang character at all.... and it was kida expensive too, 30k nagastos ko... after  2 mos of experimenting sold it nalang for 13k :cry:

Lesson: mahal magpacustom if you want to use the right woods, and theres the risk na baka hindi maganda yun kalabasan.... i suggest u get an old jap martin or gibson copy.... or try to buy a blueridge :D
Title: Re: try an Antoria, you wont regret buying one
Post by: farseer on April 04, 2006, 11:01:01 AM
Quote from: dominant_chord2005
It has a full bodied tone with just enough high to make your notes sing. I 've had mine set up with Martin strings to get that Matrin feel and it felt like I owneda Martin as well. Nasira lng ng utol ko ung gitara due to carelessness, ayun nawala ung legacy ng uncle ko na Briton .....

anyway...try looking for the Antoria brand, you wont  part with it...for a non US guitar, its worth an investment


what model??? sayang yun martin baka vintage D28 yun....

where can you get this antoria guitar??? ano specs....
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 04, 2006, 11:16:27 AM
Quote from: farseer
Quote from: agentx44
napapag-usapan na rin lang, anybody here know any local luthiers who build good acoustics? please exclude any and all members of the Lumanog and Bandilla clan, please.  :lol:


I had a jumbo guitar custom built for me... solid spruce top, solid flamed maple back and sides, ebony board and bridge.... took 90 days to finish... pero yun kinalabasab- SABLAY... ang hina tumunog nun guitar e jumbo pa yun.... walang character at all.... and it was kida expensive too, 30k nagastos ko... after  2 mos of experimenting sold it nalang for 13k :cry:

Lesson: mahal magpacustom if you want to use the right woods, and theres the risk na baka hindi maganda yun kalabasan.... i suggest u get an old jap martin or gibson copy.... or try to buy a blueridge :D


bro, pano kaya makakabili ng blueridge ang isang normal na nilalang na hindi lumalabas ng bansa? hehe. matagal ko na gustong sumubok nun eh, is there any way na magdedeliver sila to manila? sobrang naiintriga talaga ako jan sa blueridge na yan matagal na eh, hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 04, 2006, 11:32:00 AM
i guess you have to order online :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 04, 2006, 11:52:06 AM
bad threef bro. mahal panaman ng online delivery. $200 na delivery palang, hehe. sabi ko nga sa sarili ko eh, if you can't afford it, it ain't yours, hehe. oh well, i'm in the proces sof acquiring an acoustic guitar today, well, in a few moments, hehe. it's a japanese-made, 000-size acoustic, mala-vintage martin copy (i said vintage kasi yung headstock nya rounded pa yung edges, ganon yung mga lumang martin diba? it has a hardshell case included, i won't tell the price, it's really cheap. tingnan ko mamaya kung maganda tunog. i've always wanted an 000-size guitar eh... sinabi ko na yun diba? hehe yung ibanez thinline ko kasi didn't cut it for me, may cutawa kasi eh, eh medyo purist ako kunwari when it comes to acoustics. gusto ko yung walang onboard preamp or cutaway, hehe. gusto ko yung pinaka-basic porma, hehe. arte ko no?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 04, 2006, 12:23:40 PM
Quote from: kulas
bad threef bro. mahal panaman ng online delivery. $200 na delivery palang, hehe. sabi ko nga sa sarili ko eh, if you can't afford it, it ain't yours, hehe. oh well, i'm in the proces sof acquiring an acoustic guitar today, well, in a few moments, hehe. it's a japanese-made, 000-size acoustic, mala-vintage martin copy (i said vintage kasi yung headstock nya rounded pa yung edges, ganon yung mga lumang martin diba? it has a hardshell case included, i won't tell the price, it's really cheap. tingnan ko mamaya kung maganda tunog. i've always wanted an 000-size guitar eh... sinabi ko na yun diba? hehe yung ibanez thinline ko kasi didn't cut it for me, may cutawa kasi eh, eh medyo purist ako kunwari when it comes to acoustics. gusto ko yung walang onboard preamp or cutaway, hehe. gusto ko yung pinaka-basic porma, hehe. arte ko no?


but i think the blueridge will get you nearest to the martin tone w/o shelling out big bucks... or maybe yun 15 series custom nga...  :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: jun_gats on April 04, 2006, 12:39:06 PM
bossing, farseer may masugestion po ba kayo sa acoustic amp? kasi po i'm planning to get one. ovation lng po guitar ko.  :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 04, 2006, 12:44:55 PM
Quote from: jun_gats
bossing, farseer may masugestion po ba kayo sa acoustic amp? kasi po i'm planning to get one. ovation lng po guitar ko.  :D


mag 2nd hand pa system ka nalang.... para di ka mabitin
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: jun_gats on April 04, 2006, 12:53:46 PM
Quote from: farseer
Quote from: jun_gats
bossing, farseer may masugestion po ba kayo sa acoustic amp? kasi po i'm planning to get one. ovation lng po guitar ko.  :D


mag 2nd hand pa system ka nalang.... para di ka mabitin


pano kapag 30w lng kailangan ko bossing?  :D house use lng.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 04, 2006, 01:33:53 PM
got the guitar already, it's like a 000-18. it's more of a project guitar pa, the soundboard is bulged, the neck is bowed, the action is high, hehe. so konting restoration pa ang katapat nito. it looks old, the finish is quite thin, pero gloss sha. not solid top, so it's more like arie's three-s guitar. it comes with a cute hardshell case, hehe. pero yung acoustic tone nya is not really spectacular. it's more of an "alternative to dreadnought" guitar, hehe. so we'll see as the repairs progress.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 04, 2006, 02:07:27 PM
Quote from: jun_gats
Quote from: farseer
Quote from: jun_gats
bossing, farseer may masugestion po ba kayo sa acoustic amp? kasi po i'm planning to get one. ovation lng po guitar ko.  :D


mag 2nd hand pa system ka nalang.... para di ka mabitin


pano kapag 30w lng kailangan ko bossing?  :D house use lng.


you can get a washburm, marhall or laney- medyo bitin yun 30 watts.... try to call me may irerefer ako s'yo na pa system 15k lang :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 05, 2006, 01:21:46 PM
Quote from: kulas
got the guitar already, it's like a 000-18. it's more of a project guitar pa, the soundboard is bulged, the neck is bowed, the action is high, hehe. so konting restoration pa ang katapat nito. it looks old, the finish is quite thin, pero gloss sha. not solid top, so it's more like arie's three-s guitar. it comes with a cute hardshell case, hehe. pero yung acoustic tone nya is not really spectacular. it's more of an "alternative to dreadnought" guitar, hehe. so we'll see as the repairs progress.


musta na bago mong 00018??? try to post some pix... nakina arie ba???
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 05, 2006, 01:31:07 PM
hindi sha martin ah, hehe. sagano yung brand, 000-18 copy lang. nung nauwi ko sha kagabi maayos pala yung tunog. it's got the "throaty" tone i want, hehe.

eto pix nya (taken from another thread):


(http://www.geocities.com/fastfret24/sagano.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/fastfret24/saganob.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/fastfret24/saganoh.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/fastfret24/hc.jpg)

yup it's with arie as we speak, hehe. pinarepair ko yung neck, sana ayusin nya yung soundboard bulge, tapos pinagawa kong bone yung nut and saddle. sa friday ko pa makukuha so exciting, hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Robotgoogle on April 05, 2006, 01:49:03 PM
Quote from: kulas
got the guitar already, it's like a 000-18. it's more of a project guitar pa, the soundboard is bulged, the neck is bowed, the action is high, hehe. so konting restoration pa ang katapat nito. it looks old, the finish is quite thin, pero gloss sha. not solid top, so it's more like arie's three-s guitar. it comes with a cute hardshell case, hehe. pero yung acoustic tone nya is not really spectacular. it's more of an "alternative to dreadnought" guitar, hehe. so we'll see as the repairs progress.


patuyuin mo lang cguro kahoy nyan bka gumanda ang sound.

tungkol sa blueridge meron akong nakita sa singapore.

ganito gawin mo ikaw ang pumunta sa SG kahit balikan lang hehe... bumili ng tiket ng www.tigerairways.com cost around P6K or lower...

maganda ang blueridge bang for the bucks

muntik n ako bumili ng BR-160 kaya lang naisip ko ang resale value ng martin kaya ayun napabili ako ng martin.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Robotgoogle on April 05, 2006, 01:50:47 PM
Quote from: kulas
hindi sha martin ah, hehe. sagano yung brand, 000-18 copy lang. nung nauwi ko sha kagabi maayos pala yung tunog. it's got the "throaty" tone i want, hehe.

eto pix nya (taken from another thread):

yup it's with arie as we speak, hehe. pinarepair ko yung neck, sana ayusin nya yung soundboard bulge, tapos pinagawa kong bone yung nut and saddle. sa friday ko pa makukuha so exciting, hehe.


Congrats!!!!
Ganda ah!!! astig ang case...leather ba yan?
WOW! nde mo na kailangan ang BR for next few months hehehe

padala ka naman ng sound clips
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 05, 2006, 02:14:14 PM
Quote from: Robotgoogle
Quote from: kulas
got the guitar already, it's like a 000-18. it's more of a project guitar pa, the soundboard is bulged, the neck is bowed, the action is high, hehe. so konting restoration pa ang katapat nito. it looks old, the finish is quite thin, pero gloss sha. not solid top, so it's more like arie's three-s guitar. it comes with a cute hardshell case, hehe. pero yung acoustic tone nya is not really spectacular. it's more of an "alternative to dreadnought" guitar, hehe. so we'll see as the repairs progress.


patuyuin mo lang cguro kahoy nyan bka gumanda ang sound.

tungkol sa blueridge meron akong nakita sa singapore.

ganito gawin mo ikaw ang pumunta sa SG kahit balikan lang hehe... bumili ng tiket ng www.tigerairways.com cost around P6K or lower...

maganda ang blueridge bang for the bucks

muntik n ako bumili ng BR-160 kaya lang naisip ko ang resale value ng martin kaya ayun napabili ako ng martin.


hmmm... pwedeng i-project yan ah, hehe. siguro pag nakaipon na, kasi as of this time, with my money at hand, makakapunta ako sa singapore... pero pagdating ko dun, i'd have to beg, hehe. wala na akong pera. did you see the prices of the blueridge guitars there? i'm aiming for the br-143 or br-163, or the gospel guitar. all of them costs around $500-600. so yun wala pa akong pera, hehe.

Quote from: Robotgoogle
Congrats!!!!
Ganda ah!!! astig ang case...leather ba yan?
WOW! nde mo na kailangan ang BR for next few months hehehe

padala ka naman ng sound clips


it's a molded plastic hardcase tapos yung stripe nya is leather. ganda nga nung case eh, hehe. pero the guitar is nothing spectacular, pero maayos sha. it's pretty light, laminate spruce top, laminate mahogany back/sides. pagbalik sakin nun, bone nut and saddle na, pickup sana pero wala pa akong pickup, hehe. i'm looking for an l.r. baggs ibeam or another ribbon transducer. kasi sayang yung bone saddle kung yung lb6 eh (kasi may built in saddle na sha sa pickup.) lahat ng acoustic ko sa bahay has been "boned" hehe. yung electrics naman next time, hehe. pag may budget na ulit.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on April 05, 2006, 02:55:19 PM
ganda ng case mo bro!!!  :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Robotgoogle on April 05, 2006, 10:50:09 PM
pre ang BR 163 mga P30K wala pang case dala ka na lang ng case.
yung Gospel (ito tipo ko talaga to) cost you around P35K walang case.

pero tutoo nga sabi nila parang Martin ang tunog  dahil ma-bass cya. ang medyo hindi ko gusto ang ang headstock kasi maliit.

Blueridge guitars led me to the sound that I never knew I liked ...which is the Martin sound.

Actually hindi ako humahawak ng Martin sa guitar shops kasi alam ko na hindi ko kaya so nung nangahas ako ayun wala ng atrasan.

Pero yung BR parang okay sya pangharabas ..pang inuman ba.

eto yung BR 343 Gospel http://www.sagamusic.com/catalog/details.asp?ProductID=BR-343[/quote]

sabihan mo ako dude kung punta ka ng singapore. daming choice ng guitara sa Singapore.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 05, 2006, 10:54:39 PM
hehe medyo matagal na usapan pa yan, hehe. at the salary i'm getting, hehe. kung seryosong mag-iipon talaga ako for that? hmm baka next year makapunta ako, hehe. pero i'll be sticking around in the forums naman eh, so i'll tell you nalang pag ayos, hehe. pero whew, medyo mahal din pala sha no? hehe and yeah, maliit nga headstock nya, hehe. panget. pero maganda... labo.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 06, 2006, 12:40:52 AM
astig yun case.... ganda.... saan ba yun bulge sa soundboard<<< sa ilalaim ng bridge???
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 06, 2006, 12:44:17 AM
Quote from: farseer
astig yun case.... ganda.... saan ba yun bulge sa soundboard<<< sa ilalaim ng bridge???


yung bulge nasa may bridge area. parang medyo nag-arch na yung top nung acoustic. probabaly caused by loose braces. hintay ko pa yung diagnosis ni sir arie. sana maayos, nakaka-OC yung bulge eh, feeling ko buntis yung acoustic, hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 06, 2006, 12:50:52 AM
0i... yun mga vintage martins nagbubulge talaga.... maganda tone ng mga yun kasi the bracing is not heavy... kaya building a good acoustic is a compromise between tone and stability.... yun santa cruz ko medyo may konting buldge na rin....
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 06, 2006, 01:02:30 AM
ah talaga? pero dahil dun sa bulge kasi parang naka-angle tuloy yung bridge. although shallow lang naman. pero it looks like manipis yung top nya and yun nga, manipis din yung braces, maganda naman yng tone nya kahit papano, nagpo-project kahit small body, hehe. i can't wait to try it na ayos na yung action, hehe.

maiba tayo, where can i buy good pickups for it, na hindi mashado mahal? hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 06, 2006, 01:13:42 AM
si fastfret may lrbaggs ata... si gen may isa pang dual source- 200 bucks ata benta niya :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 06, 2006, 01:17:53 AM
oo nga eh, pero i don't think kasya yung lr baggs ni fastfret dun sa saddle slot nung acoustic eh. sino si gen?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 06, 2006, 01:18:38 AM
glen angeles 723691... try mo kausapin
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 06, 2006, 01:23:20 AM
ahh si glen, ano ulit yung #? kulang ng isang digit, hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 06, 2006, 01:41:21 AM
Quote from: kulas
ahh si glen, ano ulit yung #? kulang ng isang digit, hehe.


7236911
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 06, 2006, 02:34:32 AM
cool, thanks! sana makahanap na ako ng maayos na pickups for the acoustic, hehe. parang maganda tingnan ang 000-size sa tugtugan eh, hehe. parang john mayer, hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on April 08, 2006, 04:44:58 PM
Question ko lang para sa inyo:
Ano ba ang mga katapat ng Ibanez Artwood series in the 20-25k & below range?  :?:
Thanks.  :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 09, 2006, 10:30:18 AM
yamaha apx. epiphones
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 10, 2006, 11:33:40 PM
update lang dun sa sagano guitar. it's been repaired na. ayos na sha. playable na, the neck is straight and the action is good. replaced the nut and saddle with bone, pero hindi na nawala yung bulge. pero oks lang. it has a surprisingly loud tone, na medyo throaty. ayos din eh, just the sound i was looking for. yung punchy na hindi mashado boomy na throaty, hehe. ansarap hatawin sa strumming, hehe. the chords are clear and tight.

as for the pickup, i've made arrangements with my friend who's leaving, papabili ako sa kanya ng l.r. baggs na ibeam (passive). i'm expectin g it within a month siguro.

doc dave, nakarinig ka na ba ng ibeam? how is it?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: sigjoys on April 11, 2006, 10:51:34 AM
pwede po sumali...

here's my entry ibby V7012 and AW40ECE. eto lang kaya ko :D.

did anyone here have tried using Dimarzio Acoustic Model (DP130) as a transducer for their acoustics?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 11, 2006, 10:51:43 AM
ok yan, si james taylor naka ibeam dati :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 11, 2006, 10:54:55 AM
Quote from: farseer
ok yan, si james taylor naka ibeam dati :D


ah talaga? i heard he also uses the lb6. pero i think mas gusto ko i-try yung ibeam naman, iba kasi sha from under-saddle transducers diba? parang medyo microphonic ang effect nya?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on April 11, 2006, 11:15:44 AM
mga bro!

kelan tau mag akowstik jamming???

mr kulas kaw na mag organize...join ako dyan.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on April 11, 2006, 11:20:19 AM
ako rin,,, sali ako kelan ang acoustic jam? hehe,, para hanggat nag iipon pa ako makabili ng electric,, nyehehe
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 11, 2006, 11:31:54 AM
@ hordex

bro, pwede kaya tayo dun sa studio na inooffer mo sa kabilang thread? mukhang ok dun ah, i think a studio is a good venue for a jam (duh?!?! studio nga eh, hehe) de, for an acoustic jam. at least maganda na agad yung acoustics (aba dapat lang).

so yun pre, since ikaw ang contact natin jan sa studio na yan, baka we can work out a sked kung kelan tayo makakapag-jam para ma-post natin dito at makapunta sana ang mga pwedeng makapunta, hehe. walang gamitan ng amp ah, except to test the pickups lang ng mga acoustic natin, hehe. para true blue acoustic jam tayo. i can bring my cajon and shempre my guitar.

so yun pre, we'll be waiting for your response lang, hehe. thanks bro! hati hati nalang tayo sa bayad sa studio.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on April 11, 2006, 11:36:06 AM
pweeeedeeeee. 2 sets tayo.....first set plugged...second set unplugged...wat you tink?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 11, 2006, 11:50:44 AM
ayos yan!

o yan boys, you heard the man. so who's up for the acoustic jam? sign up na, maganda jan let's set it one saturday afternoon. mga 4pm onwards? ok lang ba? or kayo na magsabi ng time, hehe. basta saturday orayt? kaw na magsabi ng date hordex. basta hindi this black saturday.

lista nyo lang mga pangalan nyo dito:

1. kulas
2.
3.
4.
5.

jam time boys!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Unior on April 11, 2006, 11:55:27 AM
ako!!! ako!!!:lol: sa wakas makakasama na ko sa mga ganyan!!! yahoo!!!

sama ko friend kong bongocero... wala lang... para lang may kasama at maganda tugtugan!! :)

eto pa lang acoustic ko eh.... (thanks alwyn) ok nman tunog nya...:) i'm satisfied..
(http://www.ibanez.co.jp/img/ac/m/SX72_TBC_12_03.jpg)
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 11, 2006, 12:11:30 PM
lagay mo pangalano mo sa list bro, copy/paste mo nalang yung list para makita natin dumami, hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on April 11, 2006, 12:49:29 PM
lista nyo lang mga pangalan nyo dito:

1. kulas
2. hordex
3.
4.
5.

jam time boys!

join join join join join
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on April 11, 2006, 12:50:28 PM
Quote from: unior
ako!!! ako!!!:lol: sa wakas makakasama na ko sa mga ganyan!!! yahoo!!!

sama ko friend kong bongocero... wala lang... para lang may kasama at maganda tugtugan!! :)

eto pa lang acoustic ko eh.... (thanks alwyn) ok nman tunog nya...:) i'm satisfied..
(http://www.ibanez.co.jp/img/ac/m/SX72_TBC_12_03.jpg)



oks yung akowstik mo!

sakin ibanez din AEL model.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Unior on April 11, 2006, 01:08:27 PM
lista nyo lang mga pangalan nyo dito:

1. kulas
2. hordex
3. unior and others!!!! hahahaha
4.
5.

jam time boys!

join join join join join
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Unior on April 11, 2006, 01:11:34 PM
Quote from: hordex
Quote from: unior
ako!!! ako!!!:lol: sa wakas makakasama na ko sa mga ganyan!!! yahoo!!!

sama ko friend kong bongocero... wala lang... para lang may kasama at maganda tugtugan!! :)

eto pa lang acoustic ko eh.... (thanks alwyn) ok nman tunog nya...:) i'm satisfied..
(http://www.ibanez.co.jp/img/ac/m/SX72_TBC_12_03.jpg)



oks yung akowstik mo!

sakin ibanez din AEL model.


hehehe.... sarap.... la pa kasi budget for a "high-end: acoustic eh... pero oks na ko dito.... it does the job well....: meron na ba sa inyo nakasubok nung acoustic effects ng boss? AD3 or AD8? tska yung sa Korg AX10A? haayyyy.... gusto ko nun!!!! lalo na AD8!!!!! :oops:
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Unior on April 11, 2006, 01:17:19 PM
eto o.... boss ad8
(http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/BossAD-8Big.jpg)

eto ad3.... mas simple... wala nang nagbebenta sa PP eh.... sayang yung dati binibigay sakin to ng 7k na lang... bnew pa.... kaso la breads!!! arggghhhh..... ngayun tuloy ala na!!!!!:(
(http://www.pulseonline.com/boss/bigAD3.jpg)
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on April 11, 2006, 02:26:23 PM
1. kulas
2. hordex
3. progressive_pilipinas
4.
5.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: flyingratsass on April 11, 2006, 02:55:59 PM
i have a simon & patrick dreadnought (solid spruce top, solid rosewood back, laminated rosewood sides, mahogany neck, ebony fingerboard) with lrbaggs lb6 pickup. pretty decent sound. i run it thru a boss pq3b. this is a bass parametric eq but i find it works really well with acoustics also. hindi lang yung mids ang may sweep, kundi pati yung bass and treble din. so ang daming tones pwede makuha.
best acoustic i've ever played? my uncle's pre-war gibson hummingbird. tone on that baby is just unbelievable. super sweet! lumang luma na kasi. super easy to play pa!  i've played a ton of high-end martins, taylors, larrivee, breedlove... ok sila pero malayo sila doon sa hummingbird ng tito ko. sana ipamana niya sa akin... hehe
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Unior on April 12, 2006, 11:40:38 AM
up lang natin....:)
Title: SX?
Post by: nickson on April 12, 2006, 12:33:29 PM
Mga sir,

Tell what you think about SX Acoustic guitars..cuz for me..their not even close to the ones people in this forum own..but i own one and i think they sound great..

I'm not really a fan of acoustic music...in fact the only song i can really play and enjoy playing on the acoustic guitar is MR.BIG's "To be with you" (don't we all?) but i think SX acoustics are catching up with the YAMAHA's and the IBANEZ's...I can't compare them with the Oscar Schmidt's and the Martin's ('di pa ako nakakahawak ng mga yun ni minsan)

Tell me what do you think guys? And has anybody here tried an SX acoustic with pick-ups? Do they sound great when plugged in?

Thanks :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Perf_De_Castro on April 12, 2006, 02:57:56 PM
Quote from: agentx44
napapag-usapan na rin lang, anybody here know any local luthiers who build good acoustics? please exclude any and all members of the Lumanog and Bandilla clan, please.  :lol:


Meron sa Cebu, Efren Muana ang pangalan. Sya may-ari ng Habagat Outdoor Gear.  Nung bumisita ako sa kanya nung 2002, may ginagawa syang Grand Concert, malinis workmanship at all solid woods. Inaalagaan din nya humidity storage ng woods nya habang ginagawa. Meron din syang travel guitar dati na malaki tumunog, lampaso Backpacker.

Sayang di ko na alam pano kontakin yun.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Perf_De_Castro on April 12, 2006, 03:06:58 PM
So far sa steel-string, pinakamagnadang na-test ko yung Collings na OM ng kaibigan ko na taga-NorCal, di ko sure anong model.  Malapad ang tunog and ramdam mo vibrations ng  buong gitara habanag tinutugtog mo.

Yung Morris Guitars, ongoing pa rin hanggang ngayon. Focused na sila sa fingerstyle guitars: auditorium at small jumbo models.

http://www.morrisguitars.com/

Nakasubok ako sa 2004 and 2005 winter NAMM, tumugtog pa nga ako sa booth nila e. Maganda yung ginawa nila para kay Tommy Emmanuel, spruce/mahogany tapos 1 7/8 yung nut width, malapad.

Yung kaibigan kong guitarmaker dito sa L.A. may 1974 Martin 000-28, spruce/indian rosewood. Oks lang, may boses pero medyo kimi. DI daw kasi masyadong natututgtog.

Para sa mga mahihilig magbasa tungkol sa gitara, recommended ko ton'g librong 'to:

(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0743266358.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0743266358/102-4091721-2550521?v=glance&n=283155

Nakakatuwa basahin.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 12, 2006, 06:03:36 PM
omigosh! it's perf de castro!!! we're not worthy!!!

kumusta na sir? u.s. based ka na ba ngayon?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on April 13, 2006, 12:05:14 AM
1. kulas
2. hordex
3. progressive_pilipinas
4. deltaslim
5.

... if farseer and his acoustics will be #5.  ;-)
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Perf_De_Castro on April 13, 2006, 01:12:59 AM
Quote from: kulas


kumusta na sir? u.s. based ka na ba ngayon?


Yup, andito na sa Los Angeles, CA. Togs pa rin, see details here:

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=14221

Mas classical/nylon string focus ko ngayon, tugtog at construction. Nagka-hands on experience ako last year sa pagkalikot ng gitarra hehehe

http://www.cathedralguitar.com/Perf/doubletop/

Kinakati uli ako gumawa this year, baka simulan ko in a few months.

Currently, wala akong electric guitar...kakabenta ko lang nung Strat ko, balak ko umsikor ng Variax in a couple of weeks. So ngayon ang mga gitara ko 3 lang: 1973 Jose Ramirez 10 string cedar/brazilain RW, Lucida Picado flamenco guitar (pang-harabas), Fender Jazz bass na dating may-ari yung dating bassist ng Advent Call. Meron din akong 8 string classcial guitar, pahiram ng kaibigan kong luthier na taga-Washington state, Steve Ganz pangalan spruce/port orford cedar.

Eto pics ng Ramirez ko:

(http://www.cathedralguitar.com/images/Ramirez1973/Ramirez1973front.jpg)
(http://www.cathedralguitar.com/images/Ramirez1973/Ramirez1973Back.jpg)

O sya, have fun as meetup nyo!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: buliwyf on April 13, 2006, 01:48:35 AM
Quote from: Perf_De_Castro

(http://www.cathedralguitar.com/images/Ramirez1973/Ramirez1973Back.jpg)


NICE REAR
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 13, 2006, 02:15:36 AM
wow, jose ramirez... nakasubok na ako nyan dito eh, dati kong kabanda may ganyang guitar, 1973 model ata. espangioli shang babae. and i think may relations sila kila jose ramirez kasi ang kwento nya eh bigay lang daw sa kanya yung guitar na yun by her tita ata who's married to one of ramirez's children, something like that. ewan ko lang kung ganon nga. ganda ng tunog ng mga ramirez sir! sumubok din ako nyan sa tomlee hongkong eh. brazilian rosewood ba yung back nung inyo? ganda ng pagka-figured nya eh.

anywayz, nice to have you back online sir!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on April 13, 2006, 09:22:59 PM
Quote from: deltaslim
1. kulas
2. hordex
3. progressive_pilipinas
4. deltaslim
5.

... if farseer and his acoustics will be #5.  ;-)



mga bro...oks ba kayo sa april 22...saturday yun.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 13, 2006, 09:28:51 PM
HEHE... il be busy til june... im taking my specialty boards kasi.... tas sa november wedding naman, kaya meyo busy talaga....

next year pag may sariling lugar na ako, ako na maghohost :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 13, 2006, 09:32:11 PM
Astig nga talaga collings... lalo na yun D1-a.... pag nagkacash ulit :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on April 14, 2006, 12:06:05 AM
Quote from: farseer
HEHE... il be busy til june... im taking my specialty boards kasi.... tas sa november wedding naman, kaya meyo busy talaga....

next year pag may sariling lugar na ako, ako na maghohost :D


we'll hold to your word!

congrats in advance s pagpasa ng board at sa kasal, bro. :-)
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 14, 2006, 12:34:18 AM
Quote from: farseer
HEHE... il be busy til june... im taking my specialty boards kasi.... tas sa november wedding naman, kaya meyo busy talaga....

next year pag may sariling lugar na ako, ako na maghohost :D


wow doc kakasal ka na? congrats! sayang sana makasama ka sa upcoming jam.

OT lang, anong specialty ang kukunin mo?

wala ka bang bebentang martin guitar jan for 15k lang? hahaha joke!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 14, 2006, 12:35:01 AM
Quote from: hordex
Quote from: deltaslim
1. kulas
2. hordex
3. progressive_pilipinas
4. deltaslim
5.

... if farseer and his acoustics will be #5.  ;-)



mga bro...oks ba kayo sa april 22...saturday yun.


hmm, mukhang pwede. ayos yan bro. ako ok ako.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 14, 2006, 10:55:24 AM
Quote from: deltaslim
Quote from: farseer
HEHE... il be busy til june... im taking my specialty boards kasi.... tas sa november wedding naman, kaya meyo busy talaga....

next year pag may sariling lugar na ako, ako na maghohost :D


we'll hold to your word!

congrats in advance s pagpasa ng board at sa kasal, bro. :-)


sana nga makapasa ako sa upcoming exam :D
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 14, 2006, 10:57:12 AM
Quote from: kulas
Quote from: farseer
HEHE... il be busy til june... im taking my specialty boards kasi.... tas sa november wedding naman, kaya meyo busy talaga....

next year pag may sariling lugar na ako, ako na maghohost :D


wow doc kakasal ka na? congrats! sayang sana makasama ka sa upcoming jam.

OT lang, anong specialty ang kukunin mo?

wala ka bang bebentang martin guitar jan for 15k lang? hahaha joke!


tapus na yun residency ko... dermatology ang specialty ko- natapos ko last december... exam nalang kulang para maging fellow sa society
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on April 14, 2006, 10:59:20 AM
15k na martin??? try mo maghanaphanap sa tabi tabi- baka may maligaw... the cheapest ive sold is a 000-15 for 30k....
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 14, 2006, 11:01:04 AM
ayos yan doc, goodluck! pag ok na baka magpa-ayos ako ng mukha sayo, hehehe.

joke lang yung 15k, hahaha. walang ganon na martin, unless may nievera na kasunod, heheheh.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Unior on April 14, 2006, 11:44:54 AM
1. kulas
2. hordex
3. progressive_pilipinas
4. deltaslim
5. unior.... oi bat nawala ako sa listahan? sama nyo ako.... :(
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Unior on April 14, 2006, 11:46:31 AM
Quote from: kulas
ayos yan doc, goodluck! pag ok na baka magpa-ayos ako ng mukha sayo, hehehe.

joke lang yung 15k, hahaha. walang ganon na martin, unless may nievera na kasunod, heheheh.


wag kang ganyan.... lam ko 6 digits sha ngayun dba?? hahaha...:lol:
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 14, 2006, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: unior
1. kulas
2. hordex
3. progressive_pilipinas
4. deltaslim
5. unior.... oi bat nawala ako sa listahan? sama nyo ako.... :(


haha nawala nga no? hehe. baka na-misplace, hehe. oy sa 22 daw ha? game na ba yan?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Unior on April 14, 2006, 03:47:10 PM
sino kukuha ng attendance? hehehe present ako!!!:) teka, san pla yan? hahaha, oo ako ng oo bka kng saang lupalop gagawin yan!!!:lol:
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 14, 2006, 03:53:04 PM
sa malabon daw tayo bro. lapit lang, hehe. de sa makati pre, somewhere in jupiter. malayo panaman eh, ask mo si mr. hordex. sha magco-coordinate nung place eh.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Unior on April 14, 2006, 04:19:22 PM
ayus, ayus....:) cge.... update na lang....
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Unior on April 15, 2006, 10:54:57 AM
waahhhhh!!!!! nde ako pde sa 22!!! may tugtog ako nun...:( wahhh!!! mommyyyy!!!! :cry:
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 18, 2006, 09:29:32 AM
pssst... tuloy pa ba 'to? hehe
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Unior on April 18, 2006, 10:10:09 AM
oo nga eh.... tumahimik mga tao.... :shock:

ako nde pde that day.... may tugtog daw kame....:(
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: hordex on April 18, 2006, 10:41:48 AM
gusto nyo set natin iba date?
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on April 18, 2006, 11:55:14 AM
oo pre, siguro sometime in may nalang. may practice din kami sa umaga sa church eh, ayoko naman magdala ng dalawang gitara, hehe. anyway sige, just keep us posted as to what date. thanks bro!
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on April 18, 2006, 12:32:44 PM
reset sched,, ehehe,, di ako pwede nun,..
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: nsvillegas on May 23, 2006, 11:27:08 AM
Kulas,
     What would you recommend as to what string to use, cable, effects (when applicable), guitar setup, etc on my Ovation Balladeer. Thanks.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on May 23, 2006, 11:46:13 AM
Quote from: nsvillegas
Kulas,
     What would you recommend as to what string to use, cable, effects (when applicable), guitar setup, etc on my Ovation Balladeer. Thanks.


well, are you satisfied ba with the action on your guitar? kasi if you find it a little too high, pag tinanggal mo yung strings and lift the bridge saddle, there should be shims there, you can take them out, re-string and try if the action improved. ngayon, you can take it to a luthier naman kung gusto yung maayos talaga.

as for cable/effects, i'm not really particular with effects eh, lalo na pag acoustic. question ko lang sayo, ano ba yung onboard preamp nung balladeer mo? is it the OP-30? OP-20 preamp? if so, meron yun yung pre-shape button, for me ok na yun para lumambot yung tunog nung guitar. siguro all you need is a little EQ-ing and reverb, yun lang for me sa acoustic. or pwede mo din lagyan ng konting chorus. or pwede mo din try yung mga effects pedals na to, yung DOD acoustech, Boss AD-3, and the Zoom A2. sa cables, no particular cable naman, basta get a good quality one without hurting your pocket, hehe. siguro a klotz or neutrik cable will be ok.

strings, yan medyo vital yan sa tone ng acoustic. you can go for medium gauge, pero i don't think kaya ng bracing ng ovation yun, so i suggest go light gauge. phosphor bronze wound strings produce a bright, sparkly sound, so that would be nice, medyo mahal nga lang. magandang strings yung martin SP+ strings. or if you can get your hands on elixir strings, maganda yun, medyo mahal nga lang and i don't think may nagbebenta nun dito sa pinas, hehe. the closest you can get to elixirs are the d'addario EXP strings. mahal din sha, around 700+ a set. pero alam ko coated sha so it would last you for some time narin, hehe. ako fernando strings lang gamit ko eh, and ok naman sha, at 100 pesos a set, hehe. eh since wala nang fernando, i might go for the snarling dogs string set, 200+ lang, hehe.

hope this helps.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: nsvillegas on May 23, 2006, 01:08:21 PM
Yah your right, Im now using light strings from Martin, yung silk and steel.  Medyo masakit sa fingers yung medium kse eh.  I didnt know that medium strings are not healthy for my Ovation?  Pero alam mo, maganda tunog pag medium string compared to light, mas buo.  I once used D'addario but shifted to Martin lately kse madaling 'mamatay' ang D'addario strings. Though havent tried the EXP na tig 700+.

I have a ZOOM 504ii Acoustic effect but cant really get the right effects for my guitar.  I usually end up playing bare, he...he..  Im planning to sell the ZOOM and get Behringer stompboxes, a UC100 and/or an EQ just what you've suggested.

Thanks a lot. That was very helpful bro.  God bless......
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: nsvillegas on May 23, 2006, 01:15:17 PM
BY the way, im using an OP30.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on May 23, 2006, 04:35:06 PM
Quote from: nsvillegas
Yah your right, Im now using light strings from Martin, yung silk and steel.  Medyo masakit sa fingers yung medium kse eh.  I didnt know that medium strings are not healthy for my Ovation?  Pero alam mo, maganda tunog pag medium string compared to light, mas buo.  I once used D'addario but shifted to Martin lately kse madaling 'mamatay' ang D'addario strings. Though havent tried the EXP na tig 700+.

I have a ZOOM 504ii Acoustic effect but cant really get the right effects for my guitar.  I usually end up playing bare, he...he..  Im planning to sell the ZOOM and get Behringer stompboxes, a UC100 and/or an EQ just what you've suggested.

Thanks a lot. That was very helpful bro.  God bless......


medium gauge strings kasi are more suited for big-bodied guitars eh like dreadnoughts, jumbos, etc. kaya mas maganda yung heavier gauge strings kasi aside from their thickness, it also puts more tension on the top of the guitar, causing it to vibrate more, sa acoustic, more vibration = better, louder tone. silk and steel is manipis, low tension strings yun. better go for the marin SP+ or marquis. pero since ovation gamit mo, baka masikip mashado yung silk covered ends ng marquis para sa string holes ng bridge. so yun nga, light gauged martin SP+'s are ok.

i also have a zoom504II, hehe. sorry to say, wala shang kwenta. pero i can't sell it naman, kasi bigay lang sakin yun ng ate ko, and i don't want to sell an item na i'm not fully satisfied with, kasi baka mainis lang yung buyer sakin, hehe. kung magbebehringer ka nalang din, get the ADI21 nalang, it's the acoustic preamp/direct box ng behringer. it'll suit your needs better. kasi maganda pag naka-rekta sa PA system yung acoustic. eh in order to do that, you need a direct box. so yun, the ADI21 is the cheapest alternative, for me, hehe. wag ka na bumili ng EQ if you're getting the ADI21, may eq settings naman sha eh, just get the ADI and the chorus.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: nsvillegas on May 23, 2006, 05:00:07 PM
Bro,
   I tried the Martin SP+ and marquis before the silk and steel.  Ok din naman kaya lang comment ko parang mas matalas ang tunog nya compared to the silk and steel.  O baka naman mali lang pandinig ko.  But both strings are ok.  

   Regarding the Behringer ADI21, direct box and chorus; how do i setup this in between my guitar and the amp ? Which goes before such effects ?  

   Para saan ang direct box?  wala bang chorus yung ADI?

   Thanks ulit.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on May 23, 2006, 05:06:50 PM
Quote from: nsvillegas
Bro,
   I tried the Martin SP+ and marquis before the silk and steel.  Ok din naman kaya lang comment ko parang mas matalas ang tunog nya compared to the silk and steel.  O baka naman mali lang pandinig ko.  But both strings are ok.  

   Regarding the Behringer ADI21, direct box and chorus; how do i setup this in between my guitar and the amp ? Which goes before such effects ?  

   Para saan ang direct box?  wala bang chorus yung ADI?

   Thanks ulit.


yup, SP+ strings are bright, because of the phosphor bronze winding. kung gusto mo warm, swabe, ok narin ang silk and steel.

the ADI21 is a direct box in itself. it's a direct box/preamp. you need a direct box to make the signal "compatible" for lack of a better term, for the PA system. kasi sabi nila masisira daw yung mixer pag raw signal yung papasok. i'm not quite sure. walang effects yung ADI, EQ lang sha and some controls to enhance the sound signal of your acoustic. ngayon since active naman yung pickup ng ovation, pwede mauna yung chorus before the ADI, basta yung direct box yung last lagi, kasi sha yung naga-act na parang "amp" eh. and kung gagamit ka naman ng amp, ok yung keyboard amps or acoustic amps. don't use guitar amps for your acoustic, medyo harsh ang tunog nun.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: superoxy on May 24, 2006, 07:41:06 AM
may parang Compressor effect onboard yung ADI21, yung Blend knob. you use it para mas lumitaw yung piezo quality sound nung guitar
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: nsvillegas on May 24, 2006, 08:15:15 AM
Yun ang prob ko kse wala kaming acoustic amp sa church. Meron kaming keyboard amp pero naka-install kse during praise and worship namin is the guitar amp kaya tuloy kahit ovation guitar ko, do ko type ang tunog.  

However, if i am to buy an acoustic amp, what will you suggest?

Thanks again bro.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on May 24, 2006, 11:28:38 AM
Quote from: nsvillegas
Yun ang prob ko kse wala kaming acoustic amp sa church. Meron kaming keyboard amp pero naka-install kse during praise and worship namin is the guitar amp kaya tuloy kahit ovation guitar ko, do ko type ang tunog.  

However, if i am to buy an acoustic amp, what will you suggest?

Thanks again bro.


wag ka na bumili ng amp, direct to PA ka nalang via the ADI21. ako ganon ako sa church eh, direct to PA ako via my LR Baggs DI. tapos sa monitor nalang ako nakikinig, hehe.
Title: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: nsvillegas on May 24, 2006, 02:07:39 PM
Sayang din naman itong ZOOM 504ii ko, since you mentioned na walang effects itong ADI21, pwede ko bang i-series itong dalawa and get a nice sound out of it, or totally get a chorus stompbox and totally forget the ZOOM ?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on November 14, 2006, 03:39:04 PM
taas natin para may usapan akustic ulit :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on November 14, 2006, 03:43:07 PM
taas natin para may usapan akustic ulit :-D

may pa-up up ka pa bro...  magpakasal ka na kasi para makapag-shootout na!!!     :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: jebs on November 14, 2006, 04:40:34 PM
hay salamat may usapang acoustic na ulit.  :-D

bridge pin inquiry ako.  :-D san nakakabili ng magandang set ng ivory bridge pins? naputulan kc ako e. hopefully may ebony pins na nabibili. plastic palang ang replacement ko as of now.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on November 14, 2006, 07:46:34 PM
hay salamat may usapang acoustic na ulit.  :-D

bridge pin inquiry ako.  :-D san nakakabili ng magandang set ng ivory bridge pins? naputulan kc ako e. hopefully may ebony pins na nabibili. plastic palang ang replacement ko as of now.

I wanna know about this too! :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: cumbersome on November 14, 2006, 07:48:28 PM
^Most if not all of the available pins here are plastic. But here's an idea. If you're patient enough and you can spare the time, you can bring a bridge pin to Paete, Laguna, and have it copied in any wood. Those guys can carve anything.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on November 14, 2006, 09:06:10 PM
hehe 2wks nalang :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on November 16, 2006, 10:28:51 AM
ano bang magandang acoustic na nasa 20k?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on November 16, 2006, 06:10:40 PM
ano bang magandang acoustic na nasa 20k?

maayos na yung mga artwoods ng ibanez.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on November 16, 2006, 07:38:30 PM
Ibanez AW40ECE or AEL40SE!!! :-D
Inlays pa lang ulam na!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on November 16, 2006, 09:15:13 PM
Kasi po, ang current na gamit namin sa church sa Taytay (main) eh Ovation Viper-yung manipis. Eh ibibigay na sa daughter church namin sa Angono yung Viper. Tingin nyo sa mga 20k budget more or less eh upgrade kaya kami sa Ibanez oh yung Ibanez na lang ibili namin para sa Angono? :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on November 16, 2006, 09:17:37 PM
Kung alin ang mas magustuhan niyong tunog, keep that. :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: a-boi on November 20, 2006, 05:08:12 PM
Hey,

Just curious, how will you know if your guitar is solid top? I have a morris from japan. I am thinking of getting a pickup for it. What do you guys suggest?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on November 21, 2006, 08:33:16 PM
Hey,

Just curious, how will you know if your guitar is solid top? I have a morris from japan. I am thinking of getting a pickup for it. What do you guys suggest?

like make-silip the edge of the soundhole, if you see layers, then it's laminate. if there aren't layers, it's solid top.

as for the pickup, best for me is L.R. baggs, hehe. i've tried, fishman too, ok rin pero mas gusto ko baggs. meron din duncan, pero i haven't tried it yet. i think seymour duncan lang available dito.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: gilmourisgod on November 21, 2006, 08:55:18 PM
Hey,

Just curious, how will you know if your guitar is solid top? I have a morris from japan. I am thinking of getting a pickup for it. What do you guys suggest?

like make-silip the edge of the soundhole, if you see layers, then it's laminate. if there aren't layers, it's solid top.

as for the pickup, best for me is L.R. baggs, hehe. i've tried, fishman too, ok rin pero mas gusto ko baggs. meron din duncan, pero i haven't tried it yet. i think seymour duncan lang available dito.

During live performances, which is better?... AMP or microphone?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: demet on November 21, 2006, 11:21:44 PM
I have a 1998 Jasmine(by Takamine).  Pinaayos ko minsan sa isang luthier(won't mention the name) kasi naglaglag sa airport nung nag-abroad ako.  In addition, pinababa ko rin yung action nung gitara.  Nung bagong gawa, di ko natest yung gitara plugged-in kasi wala namang gig.  Pero a few months later, napansin ko, na parang yung number 1 string ayaw tumunog.  nung sinilip ko, it's an under saddle type active pickup.  Di ko alam kung panong ayusin.  suggestions? comments? violent reactions?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on November 22, 2006, 12:49:11 AM
Hey,

Just curious, how will you know if your guitar is solid top? I have a morris from japan. I am thinking of getting a pickup for it. What do you guys suggest?

like make-silip the edge of the soundhole, if you see layers, then it's laminate. if there aren't layers, it's solid top.

as for the pickup, best for me is L.R. baggs, hehe. i've tried, fishman too, ok rin pero mas gusto ko baggs. meron din duncan, pero i haven't tried it yet. i think seymour duncan lang available dito.

During live performances, which is better?... AMP or microphone?

well if you want yung volume talaga, better go amp. kung gusto mo naman yung tone, go microphone ka. if you want the best of both worlds, go both. then mix mo na lang yung signals.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on November 22, 2006, 01:36:02 AM
merong alternatives sa mic these days: the Fishman Aura but if you like pups still, you could also use the stereo pup method and hook a piezo and a soundhole pup with a stereo jack and pan them left and right at the FOH mixer so you have a bigger sound. apply a bit of chorus or delay - wooooh. sarap!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on November 22, 2006, 09:21:43 PM
Chorus/delay alone does wonders already. :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: a-boi on November 23, 2006, 05:50:25 AM
Chorus/delay alone does wonders already. :-)

I watched a gig of a friend and he was playing an a/e guitar with delay. At first, I found it weird since delays are used often than not by electric but when I heared it, it was really cool!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on November 23, 2006, 06:30:42 AM
yeah, ok lang ang chorus/delay for acoustic. pero for me i'm all for the raw aocustic sound. medyo processed kasi ang tunog ng chroused acoustic eh, think nyoy volante's early recordings. for me reverb lang for acoustic. mas trip ko tunog nun, let the guitar's true acoustic voice come out, hehe.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: gilmourisgod on November 23, 2006, 07:52:13 AM
I agree, mas maganda nga ang raw sound ng acoustic--when the guitar sings with just pure tone.  But delay works well for a 2nd acoustic sound as well.. check out Dave Matthews Live at Luther College--the accompanying guitar uses delay and a slide.  Sweet!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: jebs on November 23, 2006, 08:42:54 AM
^^ yep yep. dave + tim reynolds. ibang clase!

I want to have a great acoustic tone na pwede makisabay sa full band set up. pano nyo ginagawa yung ganun set up?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: sigjoys on November 23, 2006, 08:52:27 AM
I want to have a great acoustic tone na pwede makisabay sa full band set up. pano nyo ginagawa yung ganun set up?

for me, i usually hook my acoustic to a DI then to the mixing console/eqs flat. i tweak my guitar's tone on the onboard preamp.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on November 23, 2006, 10:07:15 AM
I want to have a great acoustic tone na pwede makisabay sa full band set up. pano nyo ginagawa yung ganun set up?

for me, i usually hook my acoustic to a DI then to the mixing console/eqs flat. i tweak my guitar's tone on the onboard preamp.

yup, sakin ganyan din setup ko. full band, acoustic > baggs DI > p.a. system. yung EQ ng mixer naka-flat lang, then my tone shaping happens in the DI lang. pag full band i usually raise the mids and add a little sparkle with the highs. para lumitaw yung tone nung acoustic. actually you can't expect to be heard talaga pag full band (think dave matthews, listener supported concert) an acoustic in a full band setup just adds a little "sparkle" sa rhythm section. so important na ma-tweak mo yung acoustic mo to make it sound bright yet at the same time full sounding pa rin.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: gilmourisgod on November 23, 2006, 10:24:30 AM
Aside from Chorus and Delay, a nice subtle Tremolo effect also sounds good for accompaniment especially when plucking the strings all at the same time but for a full band set-up, a Tremolo may not be noticed too much.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on November 23, 2006, 12:31:50 PM
yeah, ok lang ang chorus/delay for acoustic. pero for me i'm all for the raw aocustic sound. medyo processed kasi ang tunog ng chroused acoustic eh, think nyoy volante's early recordings. for me reverb lang for acoustic. mas trip ko tunog nun, let the guitar's true acoustic voice come out, hehe.

+1 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: jebs on November 23, 2006, 02:13:51 PM
thnx for the info..

pwede ba ganito set up, guitar + DI + acoustic or electric amp?

kc pang jamming lang e. simple gig set up lang when a PA is not available for me..

i saw a behringer DI already e. dko pa alam kung magiging useful yun sa naiisip kng set up.

Guitar + amp lang gamit ko. and i dont like the sound e..
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on November 23, 2006, 02:19:30 PM
nako jebs, wag mo ia-amp ang acoustic sa electric amp, ampanget nun! better go rekta ka na lang. hindi ko pa na-try yung behringer na ADI21 eh, pero i'm guessing na ayos naman yun.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: sigjoys on November 23, 2006, 05:00:55 PM
nako jebs, wag mo ia-amp ang acoustic sa electric amp, ampanget nun! better go rekta ka na lang. hindi ko pa na-try yung behringer na ADI21 eh, pero i'm guessing na ayos naman yun.

agree with mang kulas here. supot yung tunog when you use an electric guitar amp - lacks low end.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on November 23, 2006, 05:15:48 PM
indigo girls / ani difranco acoustic tone.. for me ..

ayos !! ...

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on May 25, 2007, 10:31:10 PM
New acoustic toys....

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/232/513164548_f97a73ac89.jpg?v=0)
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/220/513168570_4b1fc5e09b.jpg?v=0)
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/207/513168574_ff72aa9e78.jpg?v=1180103295)
Martin HD28 w/ active fishman

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/204/513426705_5a8d7b7ede.jpg?v=0)
79' Guild D35

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/204/513164534_81bc01fbaa.jpg?v=1180081850)
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/228/513164532_e60917e111.jpg?v=1180081803)
76' Guild D55
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on May 29, 2007, 08:04:14 PM
Gibson The Everly :-)

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/227/519733824_ce6d5837fa.jpg?v=1180440095)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: soundslikebryan on May 30, 2007, 07:43:00 AM
Aba, ngayon lang ulit ako nadayo di, tamang-tama me bumawi na kasi yung Yamaha APX-4A ko.

Meron pa kong dalawang natitiran acoustic sa bahay kaya lang yung isa, Yamaha din na ewan, sobrang taas ng action, lagi pang out of tune. Yung isa naman na bigay ng erpats ko eh, classical, wahehe. di ko trip ang ganung tunog.

Naghahanap ako ngayon ng matinong acoustic guitar. Nasubukan ko na yung Ovation celebrity, parang basag na cymbals. Pero yung Ovation elite, ok, mahal nga lang. Sayang yung pera, pambili din yun ng ibang gamit. budget ko lang kasi about $400. eto yung naiisip ko na lang bilhin - Takamine EG561-C. kaya lang di ko pa nasusubukan, wala kasi sila stock sa store.

ayoko ng matatabang gitara, nasanay ako sa thinline kasi.

ano kaya ang magandang bilhin? i guess I really have to try it out, kasi in the end, ako lang naman din ang tutugtog nun.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on May 30, 2007, 08:38:16 AM
Try out some of the blueridge guitars.... or a used Larrivee OM03...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: trees on May 30, 2007, 10:51:01 AM
my dream acoustic

Michael Hedges
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x253/trees78/hedges03c.jpg)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on May 30, 2007, 11:24:28 AM
nakakalungkot farseer.. wag mo na ipost..  :cry:  :-D

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on May 30, 2007, 09:36:16 PM
alin :?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on May 30, 2007, 10:15:04 PM
i've developed a slight fetish on spanish guitars lately

lecheng housemate. heheh.

he's got a cordoba spanish guitar, equipped with good strings and i must say that's my benchmark for nylon stringed acoustics as of now.

spruce-rosewood combo, plus wood bindings did it very well. sabi nga it' made of 5 different woods, bone nut and saddle...

nga pala fingering style din very essential sa pagpapalabas ng acoustic tone. pramis!

my housemate was scolded a lot of times because of his technique, sanay kasi sa electric umaangat agad yung fingers kya nawawala yung sustain ng notes.

maybe someone could shed light on the prescribed fingering, strumming and plucking techniques on acoustics.

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: AngstRidden on May 31, 2007, 01:27:58 AM
Farseer, ganda tlga ng mga gitara mo..i can almost hear their piano like sounds :)

Strummer, wla ako idea dyan, sori..

Question lng po, is there really a difference kpag solid top yung acoustic mo compared to a laminated one? I know that the top is responsible for the greater part of the guitar's sound but is there a big diff kpag solid top pro laminated back and sides nmn or marketing scheme lng nila yan? tnx po. This is a nice thread  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on May 31, 2007, 09:05:14 AM
Just got this... Morris F-20 OM-style guitar w/ abalone inlays, rosewood back and sides.  :-)

We had a nice dinner in my hotel room first...
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/deltaslim/Foto_052907_003.jpg)

... before I banged her good and hard. ;-)  Here she is resting... can you see the afterglow?  :-D
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/deltaslim/Foto_052907_001.jpg)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on May 31, 2007, 09:40:23 AM
alin :?


yung mga pics ng acoustic..  :-D

anyway, ganda talaga.. sana maka test ako nyan.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on May 31, 2007, 09:42:11 AM
Just got this... Morris F-20 OM-style guitar w/ abalone inlays, rosewood back and sides.  :-)

We had a nice dinner in my hotel room first...
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/deltaslim/Foto_052907_003.jpg)

... before I banged her good and hard. ;-)  Here she is resting... can you see the afterglow?  :-D
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/deltaslim/Foto_052907_001.jpg)



ayos... parang mas small-bodied sya compared sa dreadnaught.

anong age nyan ?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on May 31, 2007, 12:52:07 PM
ayos... parang mas small-bodied sya compared sa dreadnaught.

anong age nyan ?

yes, dan. smaller in width and depth ito, and sexier, than a dread.  better balance betw highs and lows and more mids than a dread.  a fingerpicker's dream gtr. it was made in 1975.

just dropped it off at arie's for a thorough once-over... he is impressed.  ;-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 02, 2007, 11:41:25 AM
Nice OM style guitar... nakakamiss na yun mga maliliit na acoustic... lalo na yun tightness ng tunog... most of my acoustics are dreds/jumbo... isa nalang ang grand concert style ko :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 02, 2007, 11:42:37 AM
alin :?


yung mga pics ng acoustic..  :-D

anyway, ganda talaga.. sana maka test ako nyan.

Hehe,,,  :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 02, 2007, 11:45:49 AM
Farseer, ganda tlga ng mga gitara mo..i can almost hear their piano like sounds :)

Strummer, wla ako idea dyan, sori..

Question lng po, is there really a difference kpag solid top yung acoustic mo compared to a laminated one? I know that the top is responsible for the greater part of the guitar's sound but is there a big diff kpag solid top pro laminated back and sides nmn or marketing scheme lng nila yan? tnx po. This is a nice thread  :mrgreen:

tnx... nakakagulat yun mga old guilds ang mas may piano tone...
iba talaga yun mga high end acoustics w/ an almost all solid wood construction, galing din ako sa mga mij laminates, or solid top lang... iba yun vibration, woodiness, etc....
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: kawal on June 06, 2007, 05:15:46 PM
^anak ng tokwa sir farseer, ang ganda ng mga gitara mo, lalu na yung 57 tele pati yung custom tele. meron ka bang pre-war na Martin??? elibs nako sayo pag meron... hehe. more power!  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 07, 2007, 10:45:50 AM
walang pre war martin.... but thats on my wish list.... im eyeing a 60's martin right now, ayaw pa ibenta e :-) :-) :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 07, 2007, 12:32:06 PM
as per sir deltaslim's suggestion in the other thread. let's discuss everything acoustic in this thread. what's a good sounding acoustic for you? what shapes the tones of acoustic guitars eg. body type, wood type, strings, etc. and if anyone can post clips, that would be more than welcome. and what's the best recorded acoustic sound you've heard.

for me, i think i have "decent" acoustic guitars naman at the least. both dreadnoughts. i'll try to
post clips of them pag naka-record ako, both acoustic and amplified.

for me the best recorded acoustic sound i've heard would be in john mayer's album, no room for squares.

nicest acoustic i've tried so far was the martin om-21 in tomlee hongkong.

my dream acoustic guitar is a martin om-28v, though i can settle for a blueridge br-263, hehe.

i have a jasmine s80s equipped with l.r. baggs ribbon transducer running through the l.r. baggs para acoustic d.i. and my other acoustic is a 1975 morris w-15.

Hi K!

If you are looking for REAL good acoustic guitars, while the factory made ones by known makes (i.e. Martin, Taylor, Breedlove, Bourgoise, Larrivee, Guild) are of quality (I have tried China/Korean ones which EQUAL and EVEN SURPASS US-made), I know that many acoustic purist players (finger pickers) such as Peter Finger, Laurence Juber, Doug Smith,  Al Petteway, Ed Gerhard, Doyle Dykes (Taylor endorser), Doug Lee go to the known 'private' luthiers such as James Goodall, Froggy Bottom, Kevin Ryan, Linda Manzer, Kathy Wiengert, Cumpiano, McIlroy, Ervin Somogy, Collings, Rick Turner. Jim Olsen (maker for his endroser - James Taylor)

Check out Gryphon Stringed Intruments shop, they are in the neighborhood of Palo Alto. They are well-respected among the luthiers and acoustic (purists) players in Northern CA (and I believe in the US). They have on their team Frank Ford (a VERY respected luthier) who specializes in repair and I am not certain if Dan Erlewine works with them as well (or does he full time with StewMac?). Their salemen are also acomplished guitar players who gig around the bay area. Gryphon was borne of  guitar passion.

Of course the factory ones turn out hundreds (thousands each month) but a luthier will always be biased to 'hand-made' vis-a-vis CNCed guitars. Factors that are still keeping private luthiers alive are:
1) They hand pick the raw materials - specifically tone woods, they check on the age and origins as well as actually "tap" the raw wood (possibly in billet form as yet) for "Q" factor, quarter-sawness, grain runout, knots and annular rings.
While the sonic characteristics of the tonewoods are of their primary concern, the aesthetic appearance also comes as another price-pushing factor. Hence 4-5As ratings (due to aesthetics) are pricier than wood of equal or even better sonic properties.
2) They age their 'stash'; only 5% or less of candidate logs are useful to these luthiers, hence...the price of their picks are high. SO??? HOW DO YOU GET GOOD WOOD FOR FACTORIES THAT CHURN OUT THOUSANDS????
3) Of course the sound of their guitars ARE WAY WAY WAY ahead of factory produced ones; consider the tapping, tapping, tapping from the saw mills all the way to the planning, bracing, voicing and laquering of their babies;
4) A GOOD guitar will take 8 months to two years to produce (hand-made of course); just as a Steinway takes at least a year (or was it 18 months) to come through their Long Island factory (I had an occasion to visit their production back in '93:-)
5) Private luthiers WILL NOT FINISH using catalyst-based (2-3 part components) PU nor UV-catalysed whilst CHEAPER for a serial production run; luthiers will only use lacquer or the more labor-consuming French (Shellac) finish of old;

It's like asking? Which is better - Seiko or Patek Phillippe?

Another point -

If I say that a combination of Adirondack-Madagascar RW is better than your Sitka Bearclaw-Flamed Koa. Or a German Spruce - Cocobolo body vs Adirondack - Honduran Mahogany? Or even Adirondack - Braz RW vs. German Spruce - African Blackwood......

Bottomline..... your personal 'taste' will always be the final say.


Eat a meal less each day and get your acoustic 'made'.

P.S. NEVER RELY ON A RECORDING TO EVALUATE THE GUITAR'S SOUND. - REMEMBER ------ PROTOOLS ET AL!! HAVE YOU EVER CHECKED THE RECORDING EQUIPMENT IN THE OTHER ROOM BESIDE THE VENUE WERE U DO P&W?
   
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 07, 2007, 12:40:35 PM
Hey,

Just curious, how will you know if your guitar is solid top? I have a morris from japan. I am thinking of getting a pickup for it. What do you guys suggest?

like make-silip the edge of the soundhole, if you see layers, then it's laminate. if there aren't layers, it's solid top.

as for the pickup, best for me is L.R. baggs, hehe. i've tried, fishman too, ok rin pero mas gusto ko baggs. meron din duncan, pero i haven't tried it yet. i think seymour duncan lang available dito.

TRY K & K western (mini) for steel or classic for nylons.
Highlanders IPs are of hi acclaim among the acoustic players.
Then there's the B-band from Finland.

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on June 07, 2007, 12:42:07 PM
very informative sir GGBR, hehe.

it's very fascinating how so many factors contribute to the overall tone of a guitar, i like the purity of acoustics. no pickups, no effects to color the tone, what you see is what you get. maybe on sunday i can go acoustic, depending on the song lineup.

nope i haven't seen the recording setup in the other room. though i'd love to be part of the editing in the show tito B will produce, hehe. editing and filmmaking is my second love, hehe.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 07, 2007, 12:47:12 PM
very informative sir GGBR, hehe.

it's very fascinating how so many factors contribute to the overall tone of a guitar, i like the purity of acoustics. no pickups, no effects to color the tone, what you see is what you get. maybe on sunday i can go acoustic, depending on the song lineup.

nope i haven't seen the recording setup in the other room. though i'd love to be part of the editing in the show tito B will produce, hehe. editing and filmmaking is my second love, hehe.

LET ME KNOW, I WILL BRING MY PREAMP MADE BY THE DESIGNER OF SWRs. THERE'S NO ACOUSTIC AMP OVER THERE.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Poundcake on June 07, 2007, 12:50:49 PM
hello GGBR, i just read your LONG post. it's very informative. thanks for posting! the other people here will surely benefit from it :)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 07, 2007, 12:54:17 PM
very informative sir GGBR, hehe.

it's very fascinating how so many factors contribute to the overall tone of a guitar, i like the purity of acoustics. no pickups, no effects to color the tone, what you see is what you get. maybe on sunday i can go acoustic, depending on the song lineup.

nope i haven't seen the recording setup in the other room. though i'd love to be part of the editing in the show tito B will produce, hehe. editing and filmmaking is my second love, hehe.

I SAW THE NEW EQPIUMENT FOR THAT LAST SUNDAY. HE SHOWED ME WHILE YOU WERE ALL ON THE TABLE. THE BAND ROOM WAS MADE SMALLER TO GIVE WAY TO THE EDIT EQUIPMENT. THERE ARE ACTUALLY SEVERAL G5s IN THE OTHER ROOM WHICH ARE PRACTICALLY UNUSED. IT'S ONLY JIM THAT WORKS ON ONE G5 WITH PROTOOLS IF AND WHEN HE HAS AUDIO MIXED/MASTERING TO DO. OTHERWISE...WALANG GUMAGAMIT NG MGA G5s. IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN, I SAW AT LEAST 3-4?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 07, 2007, 01:02:03 PM
very informative sir GGBR, hehe.

it's very fascinating how so many factors contribute to the overall tone of a guitar, i like the purity of acoustics. no pickups, no effects to color the tone, what you see is what you get. maybe on sunday i can go acoustic, depending on the song lineup.

nope i haven't seen the recording setup in the other room. though i'd love to be part of the editing in the show tito B will produce, hehe. editing and filmmaking is my second love, hehe.

NGA PALA K!!  REMEMBER THAT TO THESE MASTER CRAFTSMEN - LUTHIERS, THIS IS CRAFT+ART+SOUND NA!

THESE MASTERS MAKE THEIR CRAFT SOMETHING VERY PERSONAL NA....IT'S ACTUALLY MORE OF AN ART TO THEM.. PASSION + CRAFTSMANSHIP + ARTISTRY + AURAL EXCITATION - he he he
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on June 07, 2007, 01:04:54 PM
very informative sir GGBR, hehe.

it's very fascinating how so many factors contribute to the overall tone of a guitar, i like the purity of acoustics. no pickups, no effects to color the tone, what you see is what you get. maybe on sunday i can go acoustic, depending on the song lineup.

nope i haven't seen the recording setup in the other room. though i'd love to be part of the editing in the show tito B will produce, hehe. editing and filmmaking is my second love, hehe.

I SAW THE NEW EQPIUMENT FOR THAT LAST SUNDAY. HE SHOWED ME WHILE YOU WERE ALL ON THE TABLE. THE BAND ROOM WAS MADE SMALLER TO GIVE WAY TO THE EDIT EQUIPMENT. THERE ARE ACTUALLY SEVERAL G5s IN THE OTHER ROOM WHICH ARE PRACTICALLY UNUSED. IT'S ONLY JIM THAT WORKS ON ONE G5 WITH PROTOOLS IF AND WHEN HE HAS AUDIO MIXED/MASTERING TO DO. OTHERWISE...WALANG GUMAGAMIT NG MGA G5s. IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN, I SAW AT LEAST 3-4?


nice nice, very nice. we also use G5's at the office. very powerful. yeah, i'd have to see those on sunday, hehe.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 07, 2007, 03:36:27 PM
POUND & K,

Here's an acoustic archtop; hand-made; solid spruce top (don't know if its' Sitka or Engelmann); edge bound with flame maple; sides & back flame maple with paua inlay's, scratch plate, bridge are Gabon Ebony with paua inlays; fingerboards, headplates are paua inlaid & bound; neck is maple as well;

Again, this is a master luthier's workmanship. Just from the photo (taken in his house in West LA) you can already see the level of workmanship that this Django-inspired piece exudes. Archtops are usually higher priced than acoustic flatops; some tops are hand-carved from a single solid piece of spruce or maple. Archtops must have been violin-inspired.


(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G8.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G7.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G6.jpg)

paua inlays on the back with a honey (tobaco?) color
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G5.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G4.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G3.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G2.jpg)

HAND-MADE OR FACTORY CHURNED??
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 07, 2007, 03:49:24 PM
Pound & K,

Note the bridge design!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on June 07, 2007, 04:29:36 PM
very nice... very very nice... hehehe.

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 19, 2007, 08:22:58 PM
POUND & K,

Here's an acoustic archtop; hand-made; solid spruce top (don't know if its' Sitka or Engelmann); edge bound with flame maple; sides & back flame maple with paua inlay's, scratch plate, bridge are Gabon Ebony with paua inlays; fingerboards, headplates are paua inlaid & bound; neck is maple as well;

Again, this is a master luthier's workmanship. Just from the photo (taken in his house in West LA) you can already see the level of workmanship that this Django-inspired piece exudes. Archtops are usually higher priced than acoustic flatops; some tops are hand-carved from a single solid piece of spruce or maple. Archtops must have been violin-inspired.




(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G8.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G7.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G6.jpg)

paua inlays on the back with a honey (tobaco?) color
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G5.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G4.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G3.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G2.jpg)

HAND-MADE OR FACTORY CHURNED??

WOW!!! parang cnc, lupet ng craftsmanship :-)
magkano kaya???
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 20, 2007, 12:37:26 AM
My guess is upwards na ito ng $5.5K. I had an acoustic made by him and it is not as intricately inlaid and its below this amount, so baka medyo even higher than $6 ito! And deifinitely a lot of the master luthiers create guitars that would look like they were 'CNCed' - Olson, Ryan, Manzer, Cumpiano, Somogy, Froggy B, Goodall, Colling McCullom, Lowden et al. Their pieces are master-crafted, which is why it takes at the very least 6-8month to produce. I believe that most of them are plus 1 year. The would turn up their noses if you mentioned 'CNC' :-D. My lutheir said that CNCed guitar "have no soul!!", sabi nya factory-made are terrible!, ha ha ha. He is often in China designing and teach 'the idiots' (sabi nya!) who don;t know how to make guitars. He designe the well-rated SX (Essex?) brand.  (sa atin atin an lang ito haah, baka umabot sa PRC, he he).  I would think that the pride and heart of master-lutheiry would definitely be reflected in the product as well as the aural experience that you go thru"
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 21, 2007, 08:26:45 AM
can you post your guitar that he custom made... kamusta naman ang tunog....
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 21, 2007, 08:49:47 AM
My spruce /maple group....

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1198/577929186_d03a1e0098.jpg?v=0)

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1352/577929180_454a6b6d93.jpg?v=1182386036)
70' guild F50, 03' taylor 614ce, 94' gibson the everly

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1235/577929170_d69911d199.jpg?v=1182386090)
taylor 614ce

yun taylor walang soul :-D :-D :-D
yun guild at gibson terrible :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: jebs on June 21, 2007, 12:43:24 PM
grabe yng talyor! grand auditorium guitar. tsk tsk very very nice..
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 21, 2007, 11:26:46 PM
grabe yng talyor! grand auditorium guitar. tsk tsk very very nice..

The taylor sounds nice, until you hear the guild f50 :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: AngstRidden on June 23, 2007, 12:37:13 AM
Mga sirs, quick question lng po. Ano po ba mga differences in terms of sound with different body type guitars? Yng mga dreadnough, concert, OOO, OM, etc aside from being louder than the other?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on June 23, 2007, 01:19:53 AM
Mga sirs, quick question lng po. Ano po ba mga differences in terms of sound with different body type guitars? Yng mga dreadnough, concert, OOO, OM, etc aside from being louder than the other?

dreadnoughts have a more boomy, loose type of sound na very good for rhythm kasi mas makapal and bassy yung tunog nya, great for strumming and rhythm work. yung concert, 000 and OM very similar yang mga yan, it has a tighter, more focused sound na less bassy, mas trebly or middy, more suitable sha for plucking kasi mas litaw yung mga notes, and despite the size, a good OM, 000 sized guitar can project pa rin.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 23, 2007, 08:34:50 AM
The classic dread by design is boomy... the new martin d28 is not, non scalloped bracing kasi... my santa cruz dread naman is voiced to have a balance sound, assymetric yun pagka shave ng bracing... kaya maganda rin siya for fingerpicking... pinaka boomy yun martin d41 ko followed by the hd28, mafeefeel mo yun yanig...

OMs are more middy, mas magcucut sa mix... the old 000 w/ the shorter scale neck mas meaty ang sound, but less tight compared w/ the OM

Concert size mas maliit pa, built for finger style

may parlour size pa.... at jumbo :-) :-) :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: jamesroy on June 23, 2007, 11:48:10 AM
Old washburn acoustic gutiars with brazilian rosewood are very good sounding, pati alvarez acoustics..
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 23, 2007, 05:03:42 PM
wow, have you tried ye old washburns.... anong year
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 25, 2007, 08:41:50 AM
can you post your guitar that he custom made... kamusta naman ang tunog....

I dont have a photo of my guitar (very old german spruce top, cocobolo back/sides. braz rw bridge+fingerboard+headplate, honduran neck) as I sent it back for refinish & re-binding with flamed maple (similar to the acrhctop work in previous posts). I did not like the sunburst finish. It's being done in natural.

Sounds good - a lot of overtones which is expected of German spruce & cocobolo (which I was told has a better 'Q' than braz rw). I cannot of course say the level of 'goodness' as that will all depend on personal preferences. But will have to wait a year to open up.

Here's another guitar which is by him as well. Except for the soundhole & pikgard, the shape, and size would very much be the same. This one is Engelmann top & Braz RW thruout (cocobolo pikgard)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/02.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/04.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/08.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/11.jpg)

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 25, 2007, 09:13:43 AM
I dont like the design on this one... parang pilit.... the blue one, is really nice... malaki ba talaga difference ng tone ng braz, cocobolo at IRW??? perception ko kasi kung mayroon man, very subtle :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 26, 2007, 01:23:26 AM
I dont like the design on this one... parang pilit.... the blue one, is really nice... malaki ba talaga difference ng tone ng braz, cocobolo at IRW??? perception ko kasi kung mayroon man, very subtle :-)

Not my taste either. His influence is Russian/Slavic, hence...

It would be very difficult to compare sound. To be able to tell the difference, would be best if you could have the same type of construction (same guitar design) but with varying backs/sides that you'd like to compare. all things being equal would allow such a comparison.

I've only been able to hear rw's in various models/makes. Personally, I prefer backs/side with RWs. The mahogany's are warm and woody & strong in the middle. Koa is also quite punchy in the mids & hi's. These would be good for strumming and vocal accompaniment. The rw's lend to fingerpicking - for my personal taste.

The Taylor BRW presentation with Engelmann top does not impress me as so different. Impressive inlays and the simple country-western design of Bob Taylor. The cocobolo (supposedly has a higher "Q" than BRW) with german spruce exudes very good shimmering overtones and is considerably warm, good for fingerpicking. It'll have to wait a year for it to open. The parlor with 10- 16 annular rings top with back/sides (I believe is) IRW, (I am not certain but could be another south american rw) has an absolutely beautiful warm punch and ringing with overtones adn very strong projection. It hasn't opened up as yet. (strings are J. Pearse).

I would be ideal to buy at least four guitars which will compliment varied music styles. Buy the guitar if it impresses you. It does not have to be a name, the ear should always be the best judge. But barring price issues, the best buys would invariably be hand-made by reputable luthiers - Collings, Goodall, Ryan!, Wiengert, Cumpiano, McIroy, Froggy Bottom and of course Sta. Cruz. But if you prefer off-the shelf, classic Martins would be fine as well as Taylors- I hear the models prior to 1998 are known to have better sounds. It would still be a plus though to have them in your arsenal.

Btw, marami nang China/Korean made which can give the US off-the-shleves a run. You just need patience to wait for the right one to appear in you favorite shop; do a lot of testing.


P.S. ---I don't even play..... :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 26, 2007, 01:49:15 AM
buti youre also an acoustic enthusiast... lately nababaon nalang tong thread na to :-D :-D :-D

Yeah, kanya kanya lang talaga yan... ive tried some goodalls, collings, and lowdens... i fell in love w/ a jumbo goodall w/ maple body, napaka mahal lang... to my ears my guild 70' f50 is at par w/ it , among the lowdens naman i was impressed w/ the cheaper cedar topped jumbo mahogany... the collings are great, mas kadikit ang martins, but their dreads seem to be more open sounding and their om naman are very focused... yun santa cruz, more balanced... very light yun built, but comparing it w/ a similar martin, mas maliit ang headroom ng scgc... may zing factor din ang scgc, very balance...

Di natin nababangit ang gibsons, lol... but honestly, ive tried a couple of great sounding jumbos (2 out of 10)... and the robert johnson model was one of the best guitars ive tried during my last visit in a big guitar store.... i was surprised napakaliit pero feel na feel mo yun sound...

Taylors are ok, but not really great :-D :-D :-D

On chinese made guitars... the blueridge range are wonderful considering their price... pero iba pa rin yun mga martins... i  was pretty excited to try the GAD guilds but was disappointed... kala ko since all solid sila, baka maayos na...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 26, 2007, 01:53:23 AM


The mahogany's are warm and woody & strong in the middle. Koa is also quite punchy in the mids & hi's. These would be good for strumming and vocal accompaniment. The rw's lend to fingerpicking - for my personal taste.



Same observation :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on June 26, 2007, 02:45:37 AM
I dont like the design on this one... parang pilit.... the blue one, is really nice... malaki ba talaga difference ng tone ng braz, cocobolo at IRW??? perception ko kasi kung mayroon man, very subtle :-)

Not my taste either. His influence is Russian/Slavic, hence...

It would be very difficult to compare sound. To be able to tell the difference, would be best if you could have the same type of construction (same guitar design) but with varying backs/sides that you'd like to compare. all things being equal would allow such a comparison.

I've only been able to hear rw's in various models/makes. Personally, I prefer backs/side with RWs. The mahogany's are warm and woody & strong in the middle. Koa is also quite punchy in the mids & hi's. These would be good for strumming and vocal accompaniment. The rw's lend to fingerpicking - for my personal taste.

The Taylor BRW presentation with Engelmann top does not impress me as so different. Impressive inlays and the simple country-western design of Bob Taylor. The cocobolo (supposedly has a higher "Q" than BRW) with german spruce exudes very good shimmering overtones and is considerably warm, good for fingerpicking. It'll have to wait a year for it to open. The parlor with 10- 16 annular rings top with back/sides (I believe is) IRW, (I am not certain but could be another south american rw) has an absolutely beautiful warm punch and ringing with overtones adn very strong projection. It hasn't opened up as yet. (strings are J. Pearse).

I would be ideal to buy at least four guitars which will compliment varied music styles. Buy the guitar if it impresses you. It does not have to be a name, the ear should always be the best judge. But barring price issues, the best buys would invariably be hand-made by reputable luthiers - Collings, Goodall, Ryan!, Wiengert, Cumpiano, McIroy, Froggy Bottom and of course Sta. Cruz. But if you prefer off-the shelf, classic Martins would be fine as well as Taylors- I hear the models prior to 1998 are known to have better sounds. It would still be a plus though to have them in your arsenal.

Btw, marami nang China/Korean made which can give the US off-the-shleves a run. You just need patience to wait for the right one to appear in you favorite shop; do a lot of testing.


P.S. ---I don't even play..... :-D


i was hunting for a fingerstyle guitar for a while and tried Collings, St. Cruz, Goodall and Froggy Bottoms. I eventually decided on a large bodied Model F4 from Andrew White, a small but up-and-coming luthier out in Virginia whose guitars are unique, have unbelievable volume and really fit my idea of a great acoustic tone. Andrew deals with each sale personally and has guitars available at shops around the country that you can try to get a good idea of what he has to offer.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 26, 2007, 09:08:33 AM
checked out the vids on his site.... what can i say??? great choice...  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: stringman on June 26, 2007, 09:41:53 AM
Just recently acquired a Yamaha FG-151 any recommended strings?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on June 26, 2007, 09:51:36 AM
Btw, marami nang China/Korean made which can give the US off-the-shleves a run. You just need patience to wait for the right one to appear in you favorite shop; do a lot of testing.[/size]

glad to hear this.  i thought my ears were playing tricks on me...  :-) 

where would you guys put the Morris (eg, F20)  and the vintage MIJ acoustics in terms of tone and quality? 


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P.S. ---I don't even play..... :-D

i volunteer to play and test your guitars, sir. :-)   Moriss F20 lang akin e.

farseer - we need to push ahead with the acoustic tone party. sali si sir ggbr.  sabihin mo lang availability mo...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 26, 2007, 12:47:59 PM

farseer - we need to push ahead with the acoustic tone party. sali si sir ggbr.  sabihin mo lang availability mo...


I am very much into acoustic guitar music now. I have been in touch with some US solo guitarists. In fact received invites to their shows within the area where we reside (in the US). One among them is Doug Smith, a Grammy awardee for movie scoring. He said that he has never been here. I;ve actually asked if he would be interested to comeover (mukhang di nya alam kung saan(ano) ang Pilipinas). I had the chance here to talk with Antonio Forcione  during his clinic sponsored by the British Embassy. I was very please with the show and clinic that he conducted and had renewed optimism on the the possibility of a new following for acoustics.

I would like to see more Pinoy acoustic guitar players that would follow the likes of Al Petteway, Dykes. D. Smith, Juber, Muriel Anderson. Emmanuel, Peter Finger, Gerhard...etc..etc. WHY? - I see that the music & instrument they (acoustic players) immerse themselves in provide very litttle (room) for follie and mediocrity. Rinig na rinig mo yung raw virtuosity nila. The most efx that these "purists" would go for are either a little eq and reverb. They  are I would venture to say on the "classical" realm of performance. Whilest on the other hand electronics may somehow provide some "masking".

We have, I  am CERTAIN, tons and tons of raw talents (na mas GAGALING PA SA MGA DAYUHAN!!! exposure exposure ang kailangan nila!!!) that just need to BE HEARD and given "APPROVAL" by fellow Pinoys. Maraming mga electric players dyan na pag binigyan mo ng acoustic guitar (mas mahal nga lang) eh baka "ma floor" ka sa raw "galingness" nila. 

I have more senior friends into pure acoustics -i.e.  Caloy Rufo (father of the more popular son), Ernie Delgado - mga purists into. Let's bring PURE BACK!!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 26, 2007, 01:07:47 PM
Di natin nababangit ang gibsons, lol... but honestly, ive tried a couple of great sounding jumbos (2 out of 10)... and the robert johnson model was one of the best guitars ive tried during my last visit in a big guitar store.... i was surprised napakaliit pero feel na feel mo yun sound...

Taylors are ok, but not really great :-D :-D :-D

kasi ang Gibson, na overshadow na lahat ng produkto nya dahil sa LEs PAul nila!!Wala na tuloy tumitingin sa mga acoustic nila. While they made models for the King, and several "sinaunang" country-western stars, di ba? i.i Gene Autrey, ROy Rogers, et al.....

On Taylors - a friend form NY performed last night at Strumms with the mainstay (friends-also band). He brough along his newly acquire cheap Taylor 310 CE. Sitka bearclawed top with mahogany back/sides. I was quite impressed with the tone that this baby sang with. Of course it would be hard to recall to compare all the other Koas, RWs and Sapeles & Bubingas that I strummed on at Guitar Center (just like when you start sniffing perfume in a department store and go onto the next brand and the next...) you would not really be able to discern anymore from "acoustic overwhelmnation". But this cheap series was quite a buy!!. This friend Chito Dakay, who does James Taylors and Amreica etc, will be the happy hour 6PM  guest performer at Chaquicos', Makati Ave this Friday before Wally Gonzales takes the prime set. Wally said he may jam on James Taylor's Steamroller blues.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: tuyuta on June 26, 2007, 01:38:46 PM
pede bang maisingit ang acoustic amps dito?

i'm thinking of buying either an ibanez troubador TA35(35w, 1x10", 13Kless5%), or a laney LA65C(65w, 2x8", 17Kless20%). i've only tried the TA20 version (wala yung TA35 that time), ok sya para sakin. but the laney have more power, and both amps have good reviews sa harmony. mag sched din ako to test the laney. pero baka may mga naka try na sa inyo.

maraming salamats
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 26, 2007, 01:59:12 PM
pede bang maisingit ang acoustic amps dito?

i'm thinking of buying either an ibanez troubador TA35(35w, 1x10", 13Kless5%), or a laney LA65C(65w, 2x8", 17Kless20%). i've only tried the TA20 version (wala yung TA35 that time), ok sya para sakin. but the laney have more power, and both amps have good reviews sa harmony. mag sched din ako to test the laney. pero baka may mga naka try na sa inyo.

maraming salamats

Kung Laney yan, JB ang distributor nila dito di ba? I have tried only the following - SWR's Califonia Blonde and Strawberry Blonde BUT the better acoustic amp are the AERs. JB is the local distributor.

So far, sa pagkakaalam ko at sa narinig ko din, talgang ang AER ay superior ngayon. Meron mga ibang matatas rin ang rating at halos hati ang price, gaya ng - Ultrasound 50 & Acoustic Image Clarus. Meron akong gamit na acoustic preamp made by the designer of SWRs, it's a Raven Lab PMB II preamp, very very handy and excellent sound to connect to mixers and even into a combo acoustic amp.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on June 26, 2007, 02:01:49 PM
pede bang maisingit ang acoustic amps dito?

i'm thinking of buying either an ibanez troubador TA35(35w, 1x10", 13Kless5%), or a laney LA65C(65w, 2x8", 17Kless20%). i've only tried the TA20 version (wala yung TA35 that time), ok sya para sakin. but the laney have more power, and both amps have good reviews sa harmony. mag sched din ako to test the laney. pero baka may mga naka try na sa inyo.

maraming salamats

i currently use an AER compact 60 for solo acoustic gigs. I like them.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on June 26, 2007, 02:09:45 PM
checked out the vids on his site.... what can i say??? great choice...  :-)

farseer - Andrew is a really nice guy. I stopped by his shop while I was out east late last year to check out his guitars. I had heard of him before but had never played his guitars. I really favor mahogany/ cedar guitars and explained to him what tone I was really interested in a guitar. The dude didn't have a mahogany based guitar on hand but mentioned that he knew he had one in a shop in Cincinnati that fit my model of choice-the F4. The guy pulled the guitar out from the Ohio dealer's inventory and had it in his shop in a few days for me to try out. The shape of his guitars are unique and comfortable but what got me was the volume and the response to a player's dynamic. I have a very percussive fingerstyle playing method and his pieces fit me to a tee.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: tuyuta on June 26, 2007, 02:16:39 PM
pede bang maisingit ang acoustic amps dito?

i'm thinking of buying either an ibanez troubador TA35(35w, 1x10", 13Kless5%), or a laney LA65C(65w, 2x8", 17Kless20%). i've only tried the TA20 version (wala yung TA35 that time), ok sya para sakin. but the laney have more power, and both amps have good reviews sa harmony. mag sched din ako to test the laney. pero baka may mga naka try na sa inyo.

maraming salamats

Kung Laney yan, JB ang distributor nila dito di ba? I have tried only the following - SWR's Califonia Blonde and Strawberry Blonde BUT the better acoustic amp are the AERs. JB is the local distributor.

So far, sa pagkakaalam ko at sa narinig ko din, talgang ang AER ay superior ngayon. Meron mga ibang matatas rin ang rating at halos hati ang price, gaya ng - Ultrasound 50 & Acoustic Image Clarus. Meron akong gamit na acoustic preamp made by the designer of SWRs, it's a Raven Lab PMB II preamp, very very handy and excellent sound to connect to mixers and even into a combo acoustic amp.


yes sir, JB/salonga ang distributor.  hangang sa ganung price range lang ako sir. di kaya yung AER. i won't bother trying them out kasi tutulo lang laway ko, at iiyak dahil walang pambili. ehehehe.

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 26, 2007, 02:33:10 PM

yes sir, JB/salonga ang distributor.  hangang sa ganung price range lang ako sir. di kaya yung AER. i won't bother trying them out kasi tutulo lang laway ko, at iiyak dahil walang pambili. ehehehe.[/quote]

Oo nga eh, medyo di ka na kakain ng ilang buwan kung pagiipunan yung AER. Eh yung Alpha, magkano na ba? baka pwede mo pang pagipunan. Dahil talgang sa experience ko sa gamit sa mga live performances, yung Compact 60 kahit sa room na may 200 katao, sumisgaw sya at walang paos!! Tatlo kasi yung galing sa JB - alpha , compact 60 at acousticube at walang sisi. Yun lang medyo gutom talaga kung pupursigihin mo ang magandang tono. Di ko alam ang Laney sa acoustic kasi, ang mga Laney gamit namin ay puro de tubong pang lead kasi kay di ko alam pag sa acoustic. oo nga pala subukan mo ring yung Elliot na acoustic. Oo nga pala magada rin yung acoustic ng Crate dalhil subok namin yung 2 models nya. Ewan lang kung meron ang JB ng Crate acoustic.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: tuyuta on June 26, 2007, 02:40:30 PM
pinaka mura yung alpha, nasa 51K.  and walang crate ang JB.  very limiting talaga ang budget. ehehehe.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 26, 2007, 03:38:08 PM
pinaka mura yung alpha, nasa 51K.  and walang crate ang JB.  very limiting talaga ang budget. ehehehe.

NGAYON KO LANG NAALALA TUYUTA. GO TO AUDIOPHILE AND ASK ABOUT THE HARTKE ACOUSTIC AMP. P17K LANG ATA AND IT'S 75 WATTS!! ETO NAKITA KO ON THE WEB AT NGAYON KO LANG NA REMEMBER. I WAS IN AUDIOPHILES MAIN STORE IN PACO ABOUT A MONTHA GO AT BAGONG DATING LANG ITONG HARTKE ACOUSTI NILA. MURA PA!

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Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 26, 2007, 03:51:56 PM
pinaka mura yung alpha, nasa 51K.  and walang crate ang JB.  very limiting talaga ang budget. ehehehe.

Sorry Tuyuta, Audiophile's price for the Hartke AC75 (75 watts) is P24K less 8% bout P21K. The AC150 (150 watts) is P31K less pa.[/size]
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: tuyuta on June 27, 2007, 02:07:49 PM
yes sir, yung brown/gold hartke. nung nalaman ko yung price, nawala na interest ko. ehehehe.

salamats sa infos
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 27, 2007, 10:15:48 PM
yes sir, yung brown/gold hartke. nung nalaman ko yung price, nawala na interest ko. ehehehe.

salamats sa infos

di ko alam ang sound ng Laney acoustic, but if the sound of the HArtke 75 will be much more pleasing to you and talagang mas hihigit sa Laney, postpone mo na lang yung pagbili mo hanggang makaipon ka ng addtional 6k pa para dun sa Hartke. In the end, sa pag tiis mo, mas satisfied ka rin....kunting panahon na lang yan....at di gaanong tataas ang dollar na kaya di ko expected na tataas pa ang price ng mga imports. besides, di gaanong maraming mga bumibili ng acoustic amps...remember price is a function of demand!!

PS---di ako rep ng AP hah! kaibigan ko lang sila....
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 28, 2007, 12:24:11 AM
pede bang maisingit ang acoustic amps dito?

i'm thinking of buying either an ibanez troubador TA35(35w, 1x10", 13Kless5%), or a laney LA65C(65w, 2x8", 17Kless20%). i've only tried the TA20 version (wala yung TA35 that time), ok sya para sakin. but the laney have more power, and both amps have good reviews sa harmony. mag sched din ako to test the laney. pero baka may mga naka try na sa inyo.

maraming salamats

i currently use an AER compact 60 for solo acoustic gigs. I like them.

The aer 60 is really solid... first time ive tried one, was surprised how loud and clear it sounded... very nice :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 28, 2007, 12:30:57 AM
checked out the vids on his site.... what can i say??? great choice...  :-)

farseer - Andrew is a really nice guy. I stopped by his shop while I was out east late last year to check out his guitars. I had heard of him before but had never played his guitars. I really favor mahogany/ cedar guitars and explained to him what tone I was really interested in a guitar. The dude didn't have a mahogany based guitar on hand but mentioned that he knew he had one in a shop in Cincinnati that fit my model of choice-the F4. The guy pulled the guitar out from the Ohio dealer's inventory and had it in his shop in a few days for me to try out. The shape of his guitars are unique and comfortable but what got me was the volume and the response to a player's dynamic. I have a very percussive fingerstyle playing method and his pieces fit me to a tee.


hope i could try one of his guitars someday... ganda ng tone :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on June 28, 2007, 01:51:31 AM
The aer 60 is really solid... first time ive tried one, was surprised how loud and clear it sounded... very nice :-)

it is. small too. the unit does not have too many frills and gadgets but i prefer my amplification clean anyway. the only time i ever use effects for acoustic is when i need a bit of delay or flange for specific song passages. inside a small cafe or jazz bar, the AER 60 is more than adequate.

andrew white's guitars are really nice. i do a lot of fingerstyle stuff and his guitars really fit my playing style well. its good to know that i will have something else to play and rotate for gigs other than my Alvarez Yairi guitars because I'd hate to really subject them too much to travel in the winter time.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: schnitzerz4 on June 28, 2007, 08:35:31 AM
guys naririnig ko nga itong small cube na AER the best daw sabi ng JB okay nga ba sya? 40K plus eh hehehe mahal pa sa Marshall acoustic amp na nakadisplay sa pitch parksquare din =)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: tuyuta on June 28, 2007, 02:24:22 PM
yes sir, yung brown/gold hartke. nung nalaman ko yung price, nawala na interest ko. ehehehe.

salamats sa infos

di ko alam ang sound ng Laney acoustic, but if the sound of the HArtke 75 will be much more pleasing to you and talagang mas hihigit sa Laney, postpone mo na lang yung pagbili mo hanggang makaipon ka ng addtional 6k pa para dun sa Hartke. In the end, sa pag tiis mo, mas satisfied ka rin....kunting panahon na lang yan....at di gaanong tataas ang dollar na kaya di ko expected na tataas pa ang price ng mga imports. besides, di gaanong maraming mga bumibili ng acoustic amps...remember price is a function of demand!!

PS---di ako rep ng AP hah! kaibigan ko lang sila....

price diff of P7.7K to be exact sir. tempting, pero ang hirap ijustify yung ganung amount. bahala na. i'm gonna buy pagkapanganak ni misis this july. kung magkano matitira. ehehehe.

i'm wondering why acoustic amps use 5"-8" woofers. i'm thinking is it because of fidelity? my HT uses 6.5" woofers only. boomy na yung 8" up. though i use a 10" subwoofer. is this the same sa principle ng amp-making ng acoustic? kaya ba 5" yung hartke ac75 & ac150?

salamats
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 28, 2007, 10:03:20 PM


price diff of P7.7K to be exact sir. tempting, pero ang hirap ijustify yung ganung amount. bahala na. i'm gonna buy pagkapanganak ni misis this july. kung magkano matitira. ehehehe.

i'm wondering why acoustic amps use 5"-8" woofers. i'm thinking is it because of fidelity? my HT uses 6.5" woofers only. boomy na yung 8" up. though i use a 10" subwoofer. is this the same sa principle ng amp-making ng acoustic? kaya ba 5" yung hartke ac75 & ac150?

salamats
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Naku Tutyuta, pamilyado ka pala! Eh unless(!!) ito ay isang investment (gagamitin para kumita, ma roll mo for increasing current level of income) then go for it BUT kung luho lang eh mukhang dapat mo munang isipin ng Xs bese bago laanan ng PPPs. Eh manganganak pala misis mo. Daming reponsibilidad yan. Just a word to make you reasses your finances & of course yung sitwaysyon mo. Baka maging source of marital distress at conflict itong pagbili mo kung sakaling alangan.. Marami pa namang kasi lalabas na mga bagong produkto dyan. Alam mo na man na lahat ito ay marketing ng mga Kano!! Wag ka madali, marami pa dyan.

Now, reagrding use of 8" for such amplification, di ko alam ang rason talga. It could be the economies of scale in terms of serial production in factories, it could be a design advantage so that maging compact nga yung Compact 60 at Alpha. It could also be acoustic, dahil napupuna ko na ang mga near-field monitors mga 8" ata ginagamit. At ang 8" na yan ay full range driver. Baka rin dahil sa dapat mas warm ang tunog. Baka rather than using small tweeters matched with a large subs (12"-15") which may not do justice to the supposed warmer harmonics of producing 'woodsy" sounds. I know that small drivers (1"-2") produce sharp sounds so baka di maganda sa acoustic. I am not certain if the AER amps use the AER line of speakers which are made in Stuttgart, WG. Mahal ang mga 8" driver nun upwards of $1K each!! And are employed in home audiophiles sytems.  We also use the AERs for the electric violin (compact 60) & the 'silent' cello (acousticube). If you can get the Crate nga pala, I remember that it was going for about P13-17K when we got those about 3 yrs ago. I'm sure di pa nagtaas yun. Maganda rin tunog nung Crate at meron pa syang 4 or 5-band EQ.

There is another brand of excellent acoustic speakers & as well as combos for acoustics. Medyo hi-end rin sya. Brand is Daedalus. Yung pinaka flagship nilang baffle (1203 ata??) has (if I recall correctly)  1x 1-.25" fabric dome tweeter made by Vifa, 2x 5" mid/sub driver (custom-made in the US by I'don't know for Daedalus) and 2x 12" sub by Emminence Omega Pro. Daedalus is geared for reproducing accurate acoustic music. Read up on them as you may find out the reasons for using certain sized drivers for specific applications. Also go to the Emminence site which can even help you design the driver enclosure with their volume calculator for specific driver's specs.Kung ako saiyo mag project ka at maghanap ka nung mga lumang di-tubong amps!! bumuo ka ng system mo, slow but maganda! Patience ang puhunan mo dito. I can refer you to mga local geniuses who reproduce those venerable tube amps.

Bumili ka ng acoustic preamp at maghanap ka ng lumag de-tubong amp (50 watts) then into a JBL baffle. OR get a good acoustic preamp, then directly plug into a powered baffle such as the Mackie SRMs or JBL EONS or mas mura pang B3s or Behringers. Ang Behringers ay dito lahat denedesign sa Salcedo village ng ating mga magagaling na Pinoy EEs!!! SA China ang pagawaan. Pero dito ang mga utak!!!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on June 29, 2007, 07:47:02 AM
medyo OT but potentially useful info:  i'm thinking of selling my Marshall AS100D acoustic amp.  it may be another option you could explore.  it's loaded with features and sounds good and loud.  feel free to try (West Fairview, QC).  PM me or txt 09178473047 if interested.  :-)

sorry... now back to regular programming...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: quiverpool on July 02, 2007, 03:31:48 PM
pede bang maisingit ang acoustic amps dito?

i'm thinking of buying either an ibanez troubador TA35(35w, 1x10", 13Kless5%), or a laney LA65C(65w, 2x8", 17Kless20%). i've only tried the TA20 version (wala yung TA35 that time), ok sya para sakin. but the laney have more power, and both amps have good reviews sa harmony. mag sched din ako to test the laney. pero baka may mga naka try na sa inyo.

maraming salamats

i currently use an AER compact 60 for solo acoustic gigs. I like them.

The aer 60 is really solid... first time ive tried one, was surprised how loud and clear it sounded... very nice :-)

I can attest to the power of the AER compact 60... if you are buying an AER go for the compact 60 kasi meron 2nd channel for mic or another guitar... kung medyo out of reach.. yung Ultrasound maganda 'daw'.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on July 03, 2007, 11:56:01 AM
buti youre also an acoustic enthusiast... lately nababaon nalang tong thread na to :-D :-D :-D

Yeah, kanya kanya lang talaga yan... ive tried some goodalls, collings, and lowdens... i fell in love w/ a jumbo goodall w/ maple body, napaka mahal lang... to my ears my guild 70' f50 is at par w/ it , among the lowdens naman i was impressed w/ the cheaper cedar topped jumbo mahogany... the collings are great, mas kadikit ang martins, but their dreads seem to be more open sounding and their om naman are very focused... yun santa cruz, more balanced... very light yun built, but comparing it w/ a similar martin, mas maliit ang headroom ng scgc... may zing factor din ang scgc, very balance...

I am certain that you travel to the US and would do so to CA. When you do, I strongly suggest that you drop by an EXCELLENT guitar shop (founded by musicians & luthiers - FRANK FORD!!) named Gryphon Stringed Instruments. It's very near our place & so is conveniently accessible. Their segmentation is acoustic and the employees (I believe almost ALL of them) are active musicians employing products they merchandise. It was from them that I learned of the AER. Visit their website and from the inventory, you will be able to glean why I comment as such. They KNOW their stuff, and are not into just lip service. If you have any acoustic modifications, repairs or installations, I would not hesitate to bring it to them. Experts to-the-word!

There is another (truly a PRO) luthier/repair in the middle of San Fo who maintains Joe S's guitars and used to for alive Gerry Garcia, another shop that I WOULD DEFINITELY recommend to you. It's rather hidden but well know among the pros. I purchased a few items from him and he would replace anything without any question. He/they referred me to Richard Mclish (RMC), Oakland (or Berkeley, if I remember correctly) supplier of Godin and other known makers with pickups employed separately for each string (useful for Midi/synth outs). If you so decide to visit San Fo, I can send you his business card as I have a dozen to give out to clients who would be able to use his services. Richard McLish trusts him alone to install RMC/polydrive system on acoustics. (though kalimutan mo itong system for any acoustic, di maganda ang tunog :-D, your better off with - 1) K & K westerns for steel, classics for nylon 2) B-band, 3) Highlander IP series 4) LR Baggs 5) AER AK-15...  or if you prefer micing, use the AKG 416 series, Joe Mills or if you are willing to spend(!) then use DPA (from Denmark, it was Patti Andres who introduced me to this mic, it's her standard vocal mic for performances).

If you want to spend on a preamp, definitely go for the PENDULUM SPS-1 nothing beats this (AT THIS MOMENT), use a TC Electronic efx or (if you have more money a Helicon would be fine). Feed into a Lab Gruppen power amp  :evil: :-D then into a speaker box (say Daedalus!  :evil: :roll: :wink: :-D ). James Taylor, Al Petteway, Will Ackerman & co will envy you!!! And use ZAOLLA OR LAVA (POUNDACKE REMINDED ME OF THIS BRAND, OUTRAGEOUSLY OUTRAGEOUS IN PRICE) CABLES ....  But seriously Mogami should be excellent, I gifted some musician (pro) friends and they never went back to they old from-the-shops cables.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Poundcake on July 03, 2007, 12:49:45 PM
POUND & K,

Here's an acoustic archtop; hand-made; solid spruce top (don't know if its' Sitka or Engelmann); edge bound with flame maple; sides & back flame maple with paua inlay's, scratch plate, bridge are Gabon Ebony with paua inlays; fingerboards, headplates are paua inlaid & bound; neck is maple as well;

Again, this is a master luthier's workmanship. Just from the photo (taken in his house in West LA) you can already see the level of workmanship that this Django-inspired piece exudes. Archtops are usually higher priced than acoustic flatops; some tops are hand-carved from a single solid piece of spruce or maple. Archtops must have been violin-inspired.


(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G8.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G7.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G6.jpg)

paua inlays on the back with a honey (tobaco?) color
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G5.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G4.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G3.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u181/ggbr/G2.jpg)

HAND-MADE OR FACTORY CHURNED??

oh my goodness... KILLER guitar!!! i wish i could try one of his works...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on August 29, 2007, 11:27:25 PM
errr.... another acoustic :-D

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1307/1228107824_40f4eb47f6.jpg?v=1188011902)

Lowden F32

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on August 29, 2007, 11:37:46 PM
errr.... another acoustic :-D
Lowden F32

AAAAHHHH!!! (not errr...) A not very commercial but excellent luthier... Lowden. His protege McIlroy (was in charge of his production) who works out of Ireland is now already commanding DOUBLE for his own signature guitars about $4k per from just about $1.9-2+ a few months back!!

That piece looks like it is IRW for back & sides; Cedar (or Spruce?- he uses Swiss Spruce as soundboard). It does not appear dark enough to be cedar.

I doubt if anybody else would have one in the country. It must sound great!! And should "outsound" the higher-end series of Martin and Taylor anytime!!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on August 30, 2007, 12:02:41 AM
BB has a lowden too... O12 model if my memory serves me right... i tested several lowdens several years ago and was very much impresed... just very expensive, cheapest model (O12 i think... cedar/mahogany) was around 130k pesos... Im lucky to get this used F32 at a nice price... but i still prefer those O12s though....
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on August 30, 2007, 12:13:07 AM
BTW, top is cedar... medyo bright lang pagkakuha ko :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on August 30, 2007, 12:57:49 AM
BB has a lowden too... O12 model if my memory serves me right... i tested several lowdens several years ago and was very much impresed... just very expensive, cheapest model (O12 i think... cedar/mahogany) was around 130k pesos... Im lucky to get this used F32 at a nice price... but i still prefer those O12s though....

Am not acquainted as to hu BB is. I am not really knowlegeable on Lowdens except for his fame amongst well-known acoustic artists who employ his works. And their testimonies of his pieces are nothing less than of praise.
P130 should not be expensive for a hand-made piece vs. the $2k-3k factory-made from the known factories.

That will exceed the sound of any high-end factory-made ones surely! One will EASILY tell the difference of a master luthier's work from that of a factory, both in sound and feel!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on August 30, 2007, 01:24:31 AM
BTW, top is cedar... medyo bright lang pagkakuha ko :-)

Owning a Lowden reveals that you know REAL acoutic guitars, it would be presumable that you would stretch investment in your hobby to even more 'exotic' purchases...

You may like to try looking into the luthiers admired by fellow master luthiers; in the following order (I doubt if you can get your order out within 5 years) here goes -

     1) Ervin Somogyi (of Russian origin)
     2) Kim Walker
     3) Boaz Alkhayam (Israeli)

and for excellence in structure/construction - McPherson guitars. - this luthier, I believe was employed as a structural engr as was Ryan Kevin (aero engineer(?))

goes without saying - unparalleled sound!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on August 30, 2007, 04:07:21 AM
anyone play or into Michael Greenfield guitars? I've played one of his guitars, a G2, and I fell in love with it - amazing tone. I fingerpick a lot and the guitar lends itself well to fingerpickers as well flatpickers. If I were to pick up another acoustic, a Greenfield would be my first choice.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on August 30, 2007, 11:29:15 PM
Am not acquainted as to hu BB is. I am not really knowlegeable on Lowdens except for his fame amongst well-known acoustic artists who employ his works. And their testimonies of his pieces are nothing less than of praise.
P130 should not be expensive for a hand-made piece vs. the $2k-3k factory-made from the known factories.

That will exceed the sound of any high-end factory-made ones surely! One will EASILY tell the difference of a master luthier's work from that of a factory, both in sound and feel!


The lowden is really special... sweet sounding, and articulate... but i also like my martin D41 w/ its boomy/bassy tone... so it all boils down to preference... and mood :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on August 30, 2007, 11:40:51 PM
Owning a Lowden reveals that you know REAL acoutic guitars, it would be presumable that you would stretch investment in your hobby to even more 'exotic' purchases...

You may like to try looking into the luthiers admired by fellow master luthiers; in the following order (I doubt if you can get your order out within 5 years) here goes -

     1) Ervin Somogyi (of Russian origin)
     2) Kim Walker
     3) Boaz Alkhayam (Israeli)

and for excellence in structure/construction - McPherson guitars. - this luthier, I believe was employed as a structural

engr as was Ryan Kevin (aero engineer(?))

goes without saying - unparalleled sound!



These are expensive... wala pa ako sa ganyan level... i might get a collings, goodall, merrill or a froggy next...  and maybe pag nanalo sa lotto try some olsons, kevin ryans and other master luthiers that you mentioned... you are lucky exposed ka sa high end stuff... :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on August 30, 2007, 11:43:20 PM
mcphersons sound great also... i just dont like the way it looks :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on August 31, 2007, 12:19:58 AM
These are expensive... wala pa ako sa ganyan level... i might get a collings, goodall, merrill or a froggy next...  and maybe pag nanalo sa lotto try some olsons, kevin ryans and other master luthiers that you mentioned... you are lucky exposed ka sa high end stuff... :-)

Froggy Bottom would be a winner along with Collings & Hawain Goodall; but Kevin & Olson tend to be I hear a bit over priced for their true value. Olson's claim to fame is due to JT.

I guess you can that the exposure has been there not by want but by being born into a family of music lovers. I think it's more eqiupment lovers. :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on August 31, 2007, 12:35:19 AM
These are expensive... wala pa ako sa ganyan level... i might get a collings, goodall, merrill or a froggy next...  and maybe pag nanalo sa lotto try some olsons, kevin ryans and other master luthiers that you mentioned... you are lucky exposed ka sa high end stuff... :-)

farseer, are you a fingerpicker? if so, the Collings and Goodall would be great fits. I tried the Froggys but they didn't lend themselves well to my hands.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on August 31, 2007, 09:32:12 AM
farseer, are you a fingerpicker? if so, the Collings and Goodall would be great fits. I tried the Froggys but they didn't lend themselves well to my hands.

yup, fingerpicker... talaga, i havent tried a froggy yet... the jumbo goodalls ive tried b4 were really big sounding and 3d yun tapon, sa collings naman, i kinda liked the D1A or the OM2a... anyways, pagpunta ko diayn sa tate, ill try all of em, basta abot sa budget.... have you been to the podium in minnesota??? parang ang sarap sadyain :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on August 31, 2007, 09:39:51 AM
Froggy Bottom would be a winner along with Collings & Hawain Goodall; but Kevin & Olson tend to be I hear a bit over priced for their true value. Olson's claim to fame is due to JT.

I guess you can that the exposure has been there not by want but by being born into a family of music lovers. I think it's more eqiupment lovers. :-D

Yeah, nagmahal yun olson because of him... i think instruments by jeff trauott are more expensive than olsons, or about the same price... parang its crazy to spend 25k bucks upwards plus 3-5 years of waiting time for these instruments :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on August 31, 2007, 09:41:35 AM
yup, fingerpicker... talaga, i havent tried a froggy yet... the jumbo goodalls ive tried b4 were really big sounding and 3d yun tapon, sa collings naman, i kinda liked the D1A or the OM2a... anyways, pagpunta ko diayn sa tate, ill try all of em, basta abot sa budget.... have you been to the podium in minnesota??? parang ang sarap sadyain :-)

I have been to the Podium but, hands down, my favorite guitar store is Gruhn Guitars in Nashville.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on August 31, 2007, 09:44:39 AM
Did you notice that these luths tend to stay away from the dreadnaught design... ive seen some dreads from olson, but very few... and are considerably cheaper than other body shape :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on August 31, 2007, 09:48:00 AM
I have been to the Podium but, hands down, my favorite guitar store is Gruhn Guitars in Nashville.

hindi ba mas mahal sa gruhn??? ive checked the prices at the podium, medyo mas mababa... and they sell the demo units w/ additional 20-30% discount... napaghahalatang KURIPOT :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 03, 2007, 09:15:12 PM
any thoughts on an acoustic w/ koa body??? im thinking of getting one... parlor size :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 03, 2007, 09:46:05 PM
any thoughts on an acoustic w/ koa body??? im thinking of getting one... parlor size :-)

Good 'ol GOODALL from the land of Macadamia does wonders with that variety of Acacia! After all, he popularized the wood since he resides in the Ilocano state of HI. :-D You may also wish to look at Taylor's T5 and his new sets of K series. I received an news update more than a month ago where he shows his latest sets of this wood for his K & GS series (I believe). A guitar with top, sides & back all book-matched from the same flitch would be a stunner!

May I suggest looking into a Jumbo or SJ body to compensate for the hi midiness of the tonal range of the Koa so that you get also a bigger bottom? Unless you will mainly use the instrument for rhythm and vocal backups, then... But then, you may want to look into a Uke made of it since the instrument originates from there. Check out Jake Shimabokuro on the Youtube...Absolute virtuosity!!! He will inspire to get one!! Let your guitar (or rather Uke) gently weep!!

Have a good sound of an evening! :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 04, 2007, 02:44:44 PM
hi everyone...i must say i spent the whole day in the office reading all the pages of this thread.  made me learn how much i still don't know about the acoustic guitar.  ever since high school, acoustic guitar player na ko, i don't know why.  parang nirereject ng fingers ko ang electric.  hehehe!  8-)

currently, i own an ovation tangent with op30 preamp and a zoom 504II acoustic.  it has done the job for me for the past 3 years (i'm 22!).  now that i'm starting to work, i think i can start to save for a good quality acoustic.  based on what i've read here, i know i'm a very long way from achieving a good acoustic sound.  and hirap mag-ipon eh!  hehehe!  :lol:

anyway, i'm planning on upgrading my gear.  i'm setting my eyes on a seagull s6 folk cedar.  i'm also planning to buy an AD-3 to back-up this guitar.  i'm more into fingerstyle and fingerpicking.  but i also do strumming since i also sing while playing.

please tell me what you think guys.  my target budget is PHP40k for the guitar.  any better suggestions?

thanks!  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 04, 2007, 03:42:11 PM
hi everyone...i must say i spent the whole day in the office reading all the pages of this thread.  made me learn how much i still don't know about the acoustic guitar.  ever since high school, acoustic guitar player na ko, i don't know why.  parang nirereject ng fingers ko ang electric.  hehehe!  8-)
currently, i own an ovation tangent with op30 preamp and a zoom 504II acoustic.  it has done the job for me for the past 3 years (i'm 22!).  now that i'm starting to work, i think i can start to save for a good quality acoustic.  based on what i've read here, i know i'm a very long way from achieving a good acoustic sound.  and hirap mag-ipon eh!  hehehe!  :lol:

anyway, i'm planning on upgrading my gear.  i'm setting my eyes on a seagull s6 folk cedar.  i'm also planning to buy an AD-3 to back-up this guitar.  i'm more into fingerstyle and fingerpicking.  but i also do strumming since i also sing while playing.

please tell me what you think guys.  my target budget is PHP40k for the guitar.  any better suggestions?

thanks!  8-)

HEY! SO AM I STILL LEARNING SO MUCH!! STILL DO NOT KNOW MANY THINGS I WOULD NEED TO.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO SPEND A FORTUNE ON U.S. LABOR. THERE ARE A FEW KOREAN OR CHINA MADE ACOUSTICS WITH SOUNDS THAT CAN EQUAL THOSE OF THE THOUSAND $$ US COUNTERPARTS.

WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT IS THAT YOU KNOW THE SOUND THAT IT MUST CREATE FOR YOU (EXPOSURE); WHAT PARTICULAR STYLE OF PLAYING YOU DO STRUMMING, PLUCKING/FINGERPICKING; THE KIND OF MUSIC YOU PLAY (FOLK, BLUEGRASS, COUNTRY, ACOUSTIC SOLOS,ETC. ETC.)

LISTEN, LISTEN, LISTEN, AND LISTEN MORE...BEFORE DECIDING ON THE GUITAR SOUND FOR YOUR EARS AND FINGERS. THERE ARE BEAUTIFUL SOUNDING GUITARS IN THE MUSIC SHOPS IN THE POPULAR MALLS THAT ARE MADE IN ASIA. BUT ALWAYS CHECK, TRY IT, AND RE-CHECK. OR ASK ONE WHO IS QUITE FAMILIAR WITH GUITARS (HAVING A WIDE EXPOSURE & OF COURSE THE 'EAR'). LOOK AT THE TOP IF IT IS SOLID (CHECK THE SOUND HOLE EDGE FOR THIS) SPRUCE OR CEDAR, THE TOP PRODUCES 90% OF YOUR SOUND; CHECK THE SIDES/BACK, SOLID IS ALWAYS PREFERED TO PLY; ALWAYS CHECK THE NECK ANGLE TO THE BRIDGE ---BRING A STRAIGHT EGDE (24") AND LAY ITS EDGE ON THE FRETBOARD AND SLIDE IT TOWARDS, TILL IT TOUCHES THE BRIDGE, IDEALLY THE EGDE OF THE RULER SHOULD JUST SLIDE OVER THE TOP OF THE BRIDGE. IF IT POINTS DOWN (BELOW THE BRIDGE TOP ---OOOPS, SOMETHING MAY BE WRONG!), IF IT JUST A TAD BIT OVER THE TOP, IT STIL IS OK.

BUT CHECK, LISTEN , FEEL AND LISTEN.

YOU CAN EVEN START ON A BUDGET OF P7-8K FOR A CHINA/KOREAN GUITAR. AM CERTAIN YOU WILL GET MORE SUGGESTIONS AFTER THIS POST. HAVE A GOOD 'SOUND' OF AN AFTERNOON!!
 
:-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 04, 2007, 04:01:42 PM
please tell me what you think guys.  my target budget is PHP40k for the guitar.  any better suggestions?

thanks!  8-)

If you are in a shopping mode, I can personally assist you in your choice but send me a private message so we can schedule a visit to the store. If you know of an acoustic artist that might be personally known to me, then we might just be able to ask him to tag along to check out the candidate guitar so that we can all see if it's worth the buy!.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 04, 2007, 05:39:05 PM
Good 'ol GOODALL from the land of Macadamia does wonders with that variety of Acacia! After all, he popularized the wood since he resides in the Ilocano state of HI. :-D You may also wish to look at Taylor's T5 and his new sets of K series. I received an news update more than a month ago where he shows his latest sets of this wood for his K & GS series (I believe). A guitar with top, sides & back all book-matched from the same flitch would be a stunner!

May I suggest looking into a Jumbo or SJ body to compensate for the hi midiness of the tonal range of the Koa so that you get also a bigger bottom? Unless you will mainly use the instrument for rhythm and vocal backups, then... But then, you may want to look into a Uke made of it since the instrument originates from there. Check out Jake Shimabokuro on the Youtube...Absolute virtuosity!!! He will inspire to get one!! Let your guitar (or rather Uke) gently weep!!

Have a good sound of an evening! :-D



I really want a Goodall, medyo kulang pa ang budget,,, ive tried a 30th anniv koa  taylor, stunning woods... but average only in the tone department.... im actually looking at a larrivee' koa parlor and a tacoma sj...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 04, 2007, 05:45:04 PM
HEY! SO AM I STILL LEARNING SO MUCH!! STILL DO NOT KNOW MANY THINGS I WOULD NEED TO.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO SPEND A FORTUNE ON U.S. LABOR. THERE ARE A FEW KOREAN OR CHINA MADE ACOUSTICS WITH SOUNDS THAT CAN EQUAL THOSE OF THE THOUSAND $$ US COUNTERPARTS.

WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT IS THAT YOU KNOW THE SOUND THAT IT MUST CREATE FOR YOU (EXPOSURE); WHAT PARTICULAR STYLE OF PLAYING YOU DO STRUMMING, PLUCKING/FINGERPICKING; THE KIND OF MUSIC YOU PLAY (FOLK, BLUEGRASS, COUNTRY, ACOUSTIC SOLOS,ETC. ETC.)

LISTEN, LISTEN, LISTEN, AND LISTEN MORE...BEFORE DECIDING ON THE GUITAR SOUND FOR YOUR EARS AND FINGERS. THERE ARE BEAUTIFUL SOUNDING GUITARS IN THE MUSIC SHOPS IN THE POPULAR MALLS THAT ARE MADE IN ASIA. BUT ALWAYS CHECK, TRY IT, AND RE-CHECK. OR ASK ONE WHO IS QUITE FAMILIAR WITH GUITARS (HAVING A WIDE EXPOSURE & OF COURSE THE 'EAR'). LOOK AT THE TOP IF IT IS SOLID (CHECK THE SOUND HOLE EDGE FOR THIS) SPRUCE OR CEDAR, THE TOP PRODUCES 90% OF YOUR SOUND; CHECK THE SIDES/BACK, SOLID IS ALWAYS PREFERED TO PLY; ALWAYS CHECK THE NECK ANGLE TO THE BRIDGE ---BRING A STRAIGHT EGDE (24") AND LAY ITS EDGE ON THE FRETBOARD AND SLIDE IT TOWARDS, TILL IT TOUCHES THE BRIDGE, IDEALLY THE EGDE OF THE RULER SHOULD JUST SLIDE OVER THE TOP OF THE BRIDGE. IF IT POINTS DOWN (BELOW THE BRIDGE TOP ---OOOPS, SOMETHING MAY BE WRONG!), IF IT JUST A TAD BIT OVER THE TOP, IT STIL IS OK.

BUT CHECK, LISTEN , FEEL AND LISTEN.

YOU CAN EVEN START ON A BUDGET OF P7-8K FOR A CHINA/KOREAN GUITAR. AM CERTAIN YOU WILL GET MORE SUGGESTIONS AFTER THIS POST. HAVE A GOOD 'SOUND' OF AN AFTERNOON!!
 
:-)


thanks Sir GGBR for the very informative reply.  personally i don't know much about all-wood acoustic guitars since my two guitars are both ovations (the first is an applause i bought when i was in 1st yr HS).  i've always wanted an all-wood guitar but my 1st guitar (a Lumanog A/E) was punctured by my input jack when i accidentally tilted my guitar.   :cry: hehe!  pumasok ung jack sa loob nung input kaya nasira.  since then, i went for ovations para matibay.

i think i'm ready to handle an all-wood guitar again.  thanks for the great tips such as looking at the top and the sound hole, as well as bringing a 24" edge to check the neck!  i never thought of those!   8-)

thanks and i hope more will share their suggestions and comments!  more power!   8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 04, 2007, 05:45:40 PM
hi everyone...i must say i spent the whole day in the office reading all the pages of this thread.  made me learn how much i still don't know about the acoustic guitar.  ever since high school, acoustic guitar player na ko, i don't know why.  parang nirereject ng fingers ko ang electric.  hehehe!  8-)

currently, i own an ovation tangent with op30 preamp and a zoom 504II acoustic.  it has done the job for me for the past 3 years (i'm 22!).  now that i'm starting to work, i think i can start to save for a good quality acoustic.  based on what i've read here, i know i'm a very long way from achieving a good acoustic sound.  and hirap mag-ipon eh!  hehehe!  :lol:

anyway, i'm planning on upgrading my gear.  i'm setting my eyes on a seagull s6 folk cedar.  i'm also planning to buy an AD-3 to back-up this guitar.  i'm more into fingerstyle and fingerpicking.  but i also do strumming since i also sing while playing.

please tell me what you think guys.  my target budget is PHP40k for the guitar.  any better suggestions?

thanks!  8-)

yeah... another acoustic enthusiast.... konti lang tayong naguusap usap dito... :-D, pati yun thread starter, mas electric na- :-D

if you have 40k, stay away from the seagull s6, look for a used martin, guild, gibson, larrivee, and maybe a taylor... i can help you out, just PM... :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 04, 2007, 06:05:49 PM
If you are in a shopping mode, I can personally assist you in your choice but send me a private message so we can schedule a visit to the store. If you know of an acoustic artist that might be personally known to me, then we might just be able to ask him to tag along to check out the candidate guitar so that we can all see if it's worth the buy!.


thanks for the offer Sir GGBR!  but i think i'll be able to reach my target budget in at least 2-3 months.   8-)  i'm still not halfway in my savings.   :cry:

but many thanks for the offer sir!  i know some acoustic artists since i really watch their gigs during the boom of acoustic music and they also know me by name.  is it ok to mention their names in here?  hehehe!  :lol:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 04, 2007, 06:11:46 PM
yeah... another acoustic enthusiast.... konti lang tayong naguusap usap dito... :-D, pati yun thread starter, mas electric na- :-D

if you have 40k, stay away from the seagull s6, look for a used martin, guild, gibson, larrivee, and maybe a taylor... i can help you out, just PM... :-)


thanks Sir Farseer for the suggestion!  but i'm really a little far from my target budget as of the moment.  i think it will take at least 2-3 months..  :cry:

si Sir Kulas mas electric na?  hehe! cguro kc mas mrami tlgang dimensions to explore sa electrics.  but i just can't get myself to use one for a whole gig.   :lol:  parang my fingers are not meant for an electric.   :-)

there are used high-end guitars here Sir Farseer?  when i was reading your thread, i was having the impression na nasa abroad ka...kasi ang gaganda ng mga guitars mo and u get to try guitars that can only be bought outside the philippines.  mukhang maganda nga ung suggestion to get used martins instead of a brand new seagull.  pero ndi ba ok ang seagull since canadian made naman?

thanks again!  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Lahed92801 on September 04, 2007, 06:20:35 PM
My favorite acoustic is my Yamaha CGX-111SCA  :-D

(http://images.carlosjesena.multiply.com/image/11/photos/8/500x500/2/IMG_2173.JPG?et=g1eXBYpcXFYA%2C8VPMmLF0w)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 04, 2007, 06:31:26 PM
My favorite acoustic is my Yamaha CGX-111SCA  :-D

(http://images.carlosjesena.multiply.com/image/11/photos/8/500x500/2/IMG_2173.JPG?et=g1eXBYpcXFYA%2C8VPMmLF0w)


ganda ng guitar sir!  mukhang freshly-bought pa kasi may mga tali pa sa floors!   :-D

mga bros, alam nyo ba ung latest na nilabas ng yamaha for acoustic guitars?  ung APX/CPX 900?  i dropped by yupangco just recently and i saw their new editions of the APX/CPX on display.  these guitars have two sub-pickups designed specifically to capture the low and high frequencies nung guitar.  tpos meron pang main pickup for the master volume and a 3-band eq.  looks promising dba?  but i haven't tried one dun sa store yet.  and the price of the guitar is around 40k.   8-)

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Lahed92801 on September 04, 2007, 06:33:42 PM

ganda ng guitar sir!  mukhang freshly-bought pa kasi may mga tali pa sa floors!   :-D

mga bros, alam nyo ba ung latest na nilabas ng yamaha for acoustic guitars?  ung APX/CPX 900?  i dropped by yupangco just recently and i saw their new editions of the APX/CPX on display.  these guitars have two sub-pickups designed specifically to capture the low and high frequencies nung guitar.  tpos meron pang main pickup for the master volume and a 3-band eq.  looks promising dba?  but i haven't tried one dun sa store yet.  and the price of the guitar is around 40k.   8-)



Ok siya pare, pero the piezo sounds kinda "plastic" if you know what i mean. My CGX is a good alternative, though  :-D Also check out the CX na may piezo for a cheaper alternative  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 04, 2007, 06:48:47 PM
Ok siya pare, pero the piezo sounds kinda "plastic" if you know what i mean. My CGX is a good alternative, though  :-D Also check out the CX na may piezo for a cheaper alternative  :-D


ah tlga?  kc the idea of a sub-pickup for low and high is really promising eh.   :-D  ganda pakinggan pag sinabi eh...hehehe!   :lol:

nylon ang CGX mo dba sir?  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: audioslave on September 04, 2007, 07:40:30 PM
ako gusto ko ng solid cedar yung top malamig ang tunog takaw dings and dent nga lang kahit kuko mo babaon
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 04, 2007, 08:44:10 PM

thanks Sir Farseer for the suggestion!  but i'm really a little far from my target budget as of the moment.  i think it will take at least 2-3 months..  :cry:

si Sir Kulas mas electric na?  hehe! cguro kc mas mrami tlgang dimensions to explore sa electrics.  but i just can't get myself to use one for a whole gig.   :lol:  parang my fingers are not meant for an electric.   :-)

there are used high-end guitars here Sir Farseer?  when i was reading your thread, i was having the impression na nasa abroad ka...kasi ang gaganda ng mga guitars mo and u get to try guitars that can only be bought outside the philippines.  mukhang maganda nga ung suggestion to get used martins instead of a brand new seagull.  pero ndi ba ok ang seagull since canadian made naman?

thanks again!  8-)

3 yrs ago i was able to get a martin 00016rgte (may top crack) for 37k and a martin 00015 mint cond for 30k... marami pang ibang examples, like a gibson j100 extra brand new from rj for only 35k, and a used gibson blues king for 35k.... at present medyo mas mahal na pasahan.... but w/ 40k, i think you can get an all solid guitar na... yun seagull na minention mo uses cherry as back and sides... not really typical... ive also tried a higher end seagull (artist series ata), i wast impressed... matigas tumunog :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Lahed92801 on September 04, 2007, 09:04:40 PM

ah tlga?  kc the idea of a sub-pickup for low and high is really promising eh.   :-D  ganda pakinggan pag sinabi eh...hehehe!   :lol:

nylon ang CGX mo dba sir?  8-)

Yes

When i bought it i practiced classical 7 hours a day from that day onwards  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 04, 2007, 10:07:58 PM
3 yrs ago i was able to get a martin 00016rgte (may top crack) for 37k and a martin 00015 mint cond for 30k... marami pang ibang examples, like a gibson j100 extra brand new from rj for only 35k, and a used gibson blues king for 35k.... at present medyo mas mahal na pasahan.... but w/ 40k, i think you can get an all solid guitar na... yun seagull na minention mo uses cherry as back and sides... not really typical... ive also tried a higher end seagull (artist series ata), i wast impressed... matigas tumunog :-)

MAXI, DO LISTEN HERE ABOVE. I CANNOT MAKE ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THE SEAGULL (- IS I BELIEVE AN OFFSHOOT OF EITHER GODIN OR WAS IT LARIVEE, ALL CANADIAN ORIGINS; LARIVEE IS VERY AFFORDABLE AND GOOD VALUE!!) AS IT IS DISTRIBUTED BY PEOPLE KNOWN TO ME. THE OTHER JAP BRAND IS BETTER BUT.... I WILL SEND YOU A PRIVATE MESSAGE NOW!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 04, 2007, 10:23:40 PM
Also Maxi, do check and evaluate thoroughly pre-installed onboard preamps which are usually of China origins. The only Asian-made preamp which I have learned to consider due to its being the OEM of some US known brands is ARTEC. THey are VERY well rated. Check Harmony-Central. Otherwise, I will recommend only at the moment the AER AK-15 UST (under the saddle) + condener mic package available at JB. VERY VERY reasonable for it's NAME and tonal quality. For pickups, it would be best to have external preamps. Consider the following brands which are tops in the acoustic fields - K & K (Western mini), Highlander (IP series), LG Baggs I-beam, B-band from Finland, or Pickup The World. These are used by the pros.

Have good sound of an evening!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 04, 2007, 10:39:32 PM
@farseer

thanks for the advice...i think i'm gonna stay away from them seagulls.   :lol:  kaya ko sila na-consider kc since it's with godin naman, i thought they would sound ok.  but, as Sir GGBR said, i should listen to ur advice.  thanks!   8-)

@Lahed92801

i hope u continue ur classical guitar bro!  i started classical guitar when i was 12yrs old.  cguro back then at that age i really can't appreciate the music that i'm producing!  hehehe!  but godspeed to you bro!   8-)

@GGBR

thanks for the advice on the guitars as well as the pickups.  but i somewhat didn't get the meaning of the pickup acronyms u mentioned.  i wasn't able to read ur private message since i'm still in the office..yahoo mail is blocked here!  hehehe!  but i will try to read it as soon as i am able!  again, thanks very much!   8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on September 04, 2007, 10:47:45 PM
suggest naman kayo maganda external acoustic preamp na available dito sa pinas. am looking into adi-21, hartke acoustic attack, or the bbe acoustimax kasi..
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 05, 2007, 07:58:29 AM
@GGBR

thanks for the advice on the guitars as well as the pickups.  but i somewhat didn't get the meaning of the pickup acronyms u mentioned.  i wasn't able to read ur private message since i'm still in the office..yahoo mail is blocked here!  hehehe!  but i will try to read it as soon as i am able!  again, thanks very much!   8-)

Those were not acronyms. They are the actual names/brands of pickups.

"Surf and you will find."

Remember this! The names which do not sound familiar ARE...THE NAMES to recon with.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 05, 2007, 08:56:27 AM
Those were not acronyms. They are the actual names/brands of pickups.

"Surf and you will find."

Remember this! The names which do not sound familiar ARE...THE NAMES to recon with.


those were not acronyms?  hehehe!  makes me realize how unfamiliar i am with acoustic gear.  :|

thanks for the great advice sir!  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 05, 2007, 08:59:51 AM
Also Maxi, do check and evaluate thoroughly pre-installed onboard preamps which are usually of China origins. The only Asian-made preamp which I have learned to consider due to its being the OEM of some US known brands is ARTEC. THey are VERY well rated. Check Harmony-Central. Otherwise, I will recommend only at the moment the AER AK-15 UST (under the saddle) + condener mic package available at JB. VERY VERY reasonable for it's NAME and tonal quality. For pickups, it would be best to have external preamps. Consider the following brands which are tops in the acoustic fields - K & K (Western mini), Highlander (IP series), LG Baggs I-beam, B-band from Finland, or Pickup The World. These are used by the pros.

Have good sound of an evening!


i have some questions on this sir.  :?

so if i try out these preamps, does that mean i have to buy an acoustic that has no preamp/pickup to begin with?  as in pure acoustic lang?  so that these preamps will be installed subsequently nalang?   :?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on September 05, 2007, 09:41:50 AM

i have some questions on this sir.  :?

so if i try out these preamps, does that mean i have to buy an acoustic that has no preamp/pickup to begin with?  as in pure acoustic lang?  so that these preamps will be installed subsequently nalang?   :?

ey bro, for me that's the better way to go, hehe. buy a good sounding acoustic guitar (without a pickup) then saka mo bilhan ng mga pickups and preamps. that way, kung acoustic lang hanap mo to begin with, you'll buy the better sounding ones (acoustically) so then pag nilagyan mo na ng pickup, most likely maganda pa rin tunog ng acoustic mo amplified.

ako baggs boy ako, sobrang recommended ko yun. yung AER ni GGBR maganda rin. i have my reservations sa fishman naman, hehe. get an outboard preamp, para hindi mo na butasan yung acoustic.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 05, 2007, 09:47:36 AM
nagbalik na si kulas :-D

+1 sa sinabi mo bro
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: schnitzerz4 on September 05, 2007, 09:49:47 AM
yup AER the best kahit ako nagulat =)

thanks nga pala kay sir GGBR sa tips =)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 05, 2007, 09:53:38 AM
ey bro, for me that's the better way to go, hehe. buy a good sounding acoustic guitar (without a pickup) then saka mo bilhan ng mga pickups and preamps. that way, kung acoustic lang hanap mo to begin with, you'll buy the better sounding ones (acoustically) so then pag nilagyan mo na ng pickup, most likely maganda pa rin tunog ng acoustic mo amplified.

ako baggs boy ako, sobrang recommended ko yun. yung AER ni GGBR maganda rin. i have my reservations sa fishman naman, hehe. get an outboard preamp, para hindi mo na butasan yung acoustic.


thanks Sir Kulas!  i was waiting for your reply sa mga posts ko.   :lol:

that was what i was thinking sir...para ndi masyadong mahal, i would buy an acoustic guitar without a preamp tpos kabitan nalang.  how do outboard preamps work sir?  and do u need a separate pickup for these outboard preamps?   :?

thanks very much!  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on September 05, 2007, 10:03:16 AM

thanks Sir Kulas!  i was waiting for your reply sa mga posts ko.   :lol:

that was what i was thinking sir...para ndi masyadong mahal, i would buy an acoustic guitar without a preamp tpos kabitan nalang.  how do outboard preamps work sir?  and do u need a separate pickup for these outboard preamps?   :?

thanks very much!  8-)

well, first of all, you need a pickup. yun talaga yung kailangan mo muna install sa acoustic mo. get a passive pickup/transducer then pakabit mo sa acoustic mo. then next is for you to buy an outboard preamp, outboard meaning it isn't installed directly into your acoustic. yung outboard preamp na yung pinaka-tone shaping/boost/sometimes DI box mo. it shapes the sound of the pickup you installed. in my case, i have a baggs para acoustic DI/preamp bale it boosts the signal of my ribbon transducer, then adds EQ controls, notch filter and presence.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 05, 2007, 10:14:53 AM
well, first of all, you need a pickup. yun talaga yung kailangan mo muna install sa acoustic mo. get a passive pickup/transducer then pakabit mo sa acoustic mo. then next is for you to buy an outboard preamp, outboard meaning it isn't installed directly into your acoustic. yung outboard preamp na yung pinaka-tone shaping/boost/sometimes DI box mo. it shapes the sound of the pickup you installed. in my case, i have a baggs para acoustic DI/preamp bale it boosts the signal of my ribbon transducer, then adds EQ controls, notch filter and presence.


pag nag-install ng pickup sir, dba bubutasan parin ung gitara for the input?  yun kasi ung slight fear ko...hindi pa ko nakakapag-customize ng gitara.  ung likod nga ng ovation ko ndi ko pa mabuksan kahit screw lng yun..hehehe!   :lol:

sori kung mejo slow sa uptake...this is very new stuff for me.  thanks!   8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 05, 2007, 10:18:25 AM
Max,

Kulas is the acoustic master....his words are the 'law'....
:-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 05, 2007, 10:23:18 AM
Max,

Kulas is the acoustic master....his words are the 'law'....
:-)

tumpak :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on September 05, 2007, 10:25:46 AM

pag nag-install ng pickup sir, dba bubutasan parin ung gitara for the input?  yun kasi ung slight fear ko...hindi pa ko nakakapag-customize ng gitara.  ung likod nga ng ovation ko ndi ko pa mabuksan kahit screw lng yun..hehehe!   :lol:

sori kung mejo slow sa uptake...this is very new stuff for me.  thanks!   8-)

yeah, bubutasan sha. both under the saddle and on the endpin. but those are very discreet compared to making a hole on the top side of your guitar to fit a small box in. usually the output jacks are fitted sa endpin eh. and hindi naman ikaw yung gagawa nun yourself. of course sa lutihier na.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 05, 2007, 10:28:26 AM
Max,

Kulas is the acoustic master....his words are the 'law'....
:-)


kaya nga i was waiting for his replies sa mga previous posts ko eh!   :lol:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 05, 2007, 11:04:12 AM
yeah, bubutasan sha. both under the saddle and on the endpin. but those are very discreet compared to making a hole on the top side of your guitar to fit a small box in. usually the output jacks are fitted sa endpin eh. and hindi naman ikaw yung gagawa nun yourself. of course sa lutihier na.

thanks for the advice sir!  ano pong mga magagandang pickup brands here in the philippines?  and meron po bang pickup na hindi nakakabit sa soundhole?  i want the front of my guitar to be immaculate kasi as much as possible.   8-)

thanks very much!   :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on September 05, 2007, 12:45:26 PM
thanks for the advice sir!  ano pong mga magagandang pickup brands here in the philippines?  and meron po bang pickup na hindi nakakabit sa soundhole?  i want the front of my guitar to be immaculate kasi as much as possible.   8-)

thanks very much!   :-)

yup the under-saddle pickups i was talking about are very discreet, hehe. nilalagay sha sa ilalim ng saddle. so pag hindi sha plugged, you wouldn't think that it had a pickup.

yun lang, the sad thing here in the philippines, hindi readily available yung mga magagandang acoustic pickups. the only ones being sold here are AER and seymour duncan. i don't know kung may distributor ng fishman or martin or l.r. baggs dito. dati meron pero nagsara na.

teka maxi, ano ba guitar mo?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 05, 2007, 12:54:30 PM
yup the under-saddle pickups i was talking about are very discreet, hehe. nilalagay sha sa ilalim ng saddle. so pag hindi sha plugged, you wouldn't think that it had a pickup.

yun lang, the sad thing here in the philippines, hindi readily available yung mga magagandang acoustic pickups. the only ones being sold here are AER and seymour duncan. i don't know kung may distributor ng fishman or martin or l.r. baggs dito. dati meron pero nagsara na.

teka maxi, ano ba guitar mo?


ovation tangent, multi-sound hole with OP30 pickup.

but i'm planning to buy an all-wood pag nakaipon...im thinking mga 2-3 months at the least.  i received so many useful comments and suggestions in this thread, particularly kina Sir GGBR and Sir Farseer.   :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on September 05, 2007, 12:57:59 PM

ovation tangent, multi-sound hole with OP30 pickup.

but i'm planning to buy an all-wood pag nakaipon...im thinking mga 2-3 months at the least.  i received so many useful comments and suggestions in this thread, particularly kina Sir GGBR and Sir Farseer.   :-D

how much is your budget? hehehe.

bilhin mo na lang isa sa mga guild ni farseer, hehehe. sulit yun, diba doc? or get one old japanese made acoustic guitars from pier, then restore mo. so far i've liked the tones of the old acoustics from japan, kahit hindi sha solid wood, for some reason maganda tunog nila, hehe.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 05, 2007, 01:05:20 PM
how much is your budget? hehehe.

bilhin mo na lang isa sa mga guild ni farseer, hehehe. sulit yun, diba doc? or get one old japanese made acoustic guitars from pier, then restore mo. so far i've liked the tones of the old acoustics from japan, kahit hindi sha solid wood, for some reason maganda tunog nila, hehe.

P40k po target budget.  TARGET palang Sir Kulas!  hehehe!  kaya at least 2-3months before ako makaipon ng ganong cash.  iniisip ko ung installment basis kaya ko na-mention sa previous threads ko ung Seagull S6 sa PP.  kc dba pag sale dun pwedeng 0% installment payment?  para hindi isang buhusan..hehe!  but sbi ni Sir Farseer pag may ganung budget daw ako, stay away from seagulls.  mejo matigas daw ung tunog ng mga hi-end seagulls.  he recommended na bumili ako ng used martins, taylors and other used hi-ends.

what you think Sir Kulas?   8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Poundcake on September 05, 2007, 01:17:34 PM
Max,

Kulas is the acoustic master....his words are the 'law'....
:-)

But you are still our tonewood master, GGBR! Kidding :)

maxi_musikero, mahirap maghanap ng saktong guitar especially with a tight budget, pero just test and test so that you'll be able to find that diamond in the rough. The Fernando acoustic guitar that GGBR brought before sounded really good; even the harmonics were spot-on :)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 05, 2007, 01:34:56 PM
But you are still our tonewood master, GGBR! Kidding :)

maxi_musikero, mahirap maghanap ng saktong guitar especially with a tight budget, pero just test and test so that you'll be able to find that diamond in the rough. The Fernando acoustic guitar that GGBR brought before sounded really good; even the harmonics were spot-on :)


tlga Sir Poundcake?  i tried some fernandos before with so many defects...like ang higpit ng tuning keys, fret buzzing, the like.  but hindi ko pa na-try ung new models ngayon sa jb.  i've tried valencia guitars and they sound good, kaya lng nylon. 

is my budget still tight sir?  if i'm going to try to increase my target budget, it will take a little longer for me to get a new guitar.  hehehe!  :lol:

thanks sir!  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Poundcake on September 05, 2007, 01:52:55 PM
May nagbebenta dito ng used Taylor 310-CE a few months back ah... P55k negotiable ata ang price nya. Test mo yun! :)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 05, 2007, 02:59:03 PM
Sir Kulas, sbi mo sa mga previous posts mo you prefer dreadnought sa acoustics?  ano po ba difference nya sa grand auditorium styles when plugged?   8-)

i visited the taylor website and i'm eyeing the 210e or 214e.  the 210e is a dread while the 214e is grand audi.  solid sitka spruce top and laminated indian rosewood.  what do you people think of the wood?  what sound can these types of wood produce?   :?

@Sir Poundcake, ok din ung suggestion nyo for the 2nd hand 310e.  kaya lang wala pa kong cash.  thanks po for the info!  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on September 05, 2007, 10:55:55 PM
Sir Kulas, sbi mo sa mga previous posts mo you prefer dreadnought sa acoustics?  ano po ba difference nya sa grand auditorium styles when plugged?   8-)

i visited the taylor website and i'm eyeing the 210e or 214e.  the 210e is a dread while the 214e is grand audi.  solid sitka spruce top and laminated indian rosewood.  what do you people think of the wood?  what sound can these types of wood produce?   :?

@Sir Poundcake, ok din ung suggestion nyo for the 2nd hand 310e.  kaya lang wala pa kong cash.  thanks po for the info!  8-)

no it's not that i prefer dreadnoughts over other body shapes, i actually like the OM shape eh, hehe. si farseer ang mahilig sa big bodied acoustics, hehe. plugged in, halos pare-pareho na nalg tumunog yung mga yan, unless may internal condenser mic yung mga pickup systems nila.

hmm, might i advise against the 100/200 series taylors? hindi naman sa panget sila. but if you're going for the big brands then get a solid topped/laminated back/sides one, might as well buy ibanez artwoods na lang or the takamines at JBmusic. if you're going high end, go for the real deal na, yung solid top/back/sides. big difference i tell you. don't shell out the big bucks for a semi-solid acoustic which happens to have a brand name on it. try to save some more and buy at least a 500 series taylor, or a 16 series martin. or even a blueridge guitar, hehe.

sa woods naman...

spruce tops tend to be bright, cedar tops are mostly warmer. mahogany back and sides are more punchy and tight sounding, rosewood back and sides are darker, bigger sounding.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 06, 2007, 09:04:48 PM
no it's not that i prefer dreadnoughts over other body shapes, i actually like the OM shape eh, hehe. si farseer ang mahilig sa big bodied acoustics, hehe. plugged in, halos pare-pareho na nalg tumunog yung mga yan, unless may internal condenser mic yung mga pickup systems nila.

hmm, might i advise against the 100/200 series taylors? hindi naman sa panget sila. but if you're going for the big brands then get a solid topped/laminated back/sides one, might as well buy ibanez artwoods na lang or the takamines at JBmusic. if you're going high end, go for the real deal na, yung solid top/back/sides. big difference i tell you. don't shell out the big bucks for a semi-solid acoustic which happens to have a brand name on it. try to save some more and buy at least a 500 series taylor, or a 16 series martin. or even a blueridge guitar, hehe.

sa woods naman...

spruce tops tend to be bright, cedar tops are mostly warmer. mahogany back and sides are more punchy and tight sounding, rosewood back and sides are darker, bigger sounding.


thanks so much Sir Kulas!  i'm currently researching the best and less expensive combination for me.  i'm assessing my options if i'm going to go for a pure acoustic tpos external nalang ang preamp or to go for an acoustic/electric.

thanks acoustic gurus!  more power to us!   8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 07, 2007, 10:46:05 AM
haha, nahilig nga ako sa dreads... because of their big sound :-D... but right now im more into the small jumbo design... mas nagagamit ko yun gibson the everly and the lowden f32... more balance, big sounding ang low/mid/high... unlike the martin D41 and guild F50 na accentuated talaga yun lows, na ooverpower yun highs... :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: kawal on September 07, 2007, 11:57:36 AM
eh sir farseer, anong masasabi mo sa mga parlor guitars na kapantay ng 12th fret yung dugtong ng neck at body? adam levi, guitarist ni norah jones uses a dread and a parlor, both martin; and he explained na malaki ang difference nila sa tone na napo-produce.
(bili ka na kasi ng parlor na pre-war martin.......)  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 07, 2007, 01:29:22 PM
baka bumili ako ng larrivee na parlour... tight tumunog yan mga maliliit, kulang lang sa bass...

wala pang pambili ng prewar martin :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on September 07, 2007, 01:37:08 PM
wala pang pambili ng prewar martin :-D

pero meron kang santa cruz, hahaha!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: kawal on September 07, 2007, 02:05:26 PM
@farseer. you might wanna check on "Norah Jones and the Handsome Band: Live In 2004 DVD" may extras dun, yung "Robbie and Adam’s Guitar Tour". pinapakita nila lahat ng gitara nila dun, and what they use them for. I'm very particular with Adam Levy's equipment, dahil sobrang specific nya sa tonality ng mga gamit nya. he uses a parlor na Martin mostly sa live performances at sa recordings. ginagamit lang nya yung dread nya na Martin kapag kailangan nyang mag-capo, para mas madaling gumalaw sa neck. check nyo website nya, http://www.adamlevy.com, daming goodies, or sa youtube, using keywords "norah jones and the handsome band".

BTW, he uses his acoustic guitars on a Roland JC120. sarrrrraaaaaap....  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 07, 2007, 08:50:45 PM

thanks so much Sir Kulas!  i'm currently researching the best and less expensive combination for me.  i'm assessing my options if i'm going to go for a pure acoustic tpos external nalang ang preamp or to go for an acoustic/electric.

thanks acoustic gurus!  more power to us!   8-)

MAXI,

SINCE STILL UNSURE/SEEKING, DO GO FOR AN INEXPENSIVE ACOUSTIC (<15K??) INITIALLY BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE TIME BEFORE YOU GET TO KNOW 'THE ACOUSTIC SOUND' AND WHAT WILL DEFINE YOUR PERSONAL ACOUSTIC TASTE (WOODS & SHAPE - DREAD, J, SJ, OM, OO, PARLOR). YOUR INITIAL INVESTMENT WILL 'GET YOUR FEET WET' SO TO SPEAK AND AVOID THE PITFALLS/MONEY LOSS OF UNKNOWN TERRITORY. IN THE LONG RUN IT WILL ALLOW WISER DECISIONS AND THE RIGHTFUL GUITAR FOR YOUR HANDS & EARS. ---SATISFACTION!
I FORGOT TO MENTION AN "UNKNOWN PLACE" :roll: :-D WHICH THE 'OLDIES' HAVE RELIED ON FOR PRO EQUIPMENT; THEY HAVE THE LOWER PRICED CHINA/KOREAN INSTRUMENTS IN STOCK. DO CALL CAROL OR CARLITOS BENAVIDES (KNOWN BY MOST SENYORS AND ARTISTES AND RECORDING INDUSTRY) TEL 7246138/7252847 FILICOM SOUNDS.
THEY WERE FOR AWHILE THE APPOINTED TAYLOR DISTRIBUTORS HERE, IN THE '90s
 
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 08, 2007, 10:33:13 AM
@farseer. you might wanna check on "Norah Jones and the Handsome Band: Live In 2004 DVD" may extras dun, yung "Robbie and Adam’s Guitar Tour". pinapakita nila lahat ng gitara nila dun, and what they use them for. I'm very particular with Adam Levy's equipment, dahil sobrang specific nya sa tonality ng mga gamit nya. he uses a parlor na Martin mostly sa live performances at sa recordings. ginagamit lang nya yung dread nya na Martin kapag kailangan nyang mag-capo, para mas madaling gumalaw sa neck. check nyo website nya, http://www.adamlevy.com, daming goodies, or sa youtube, using keywords "norah jones and the handsome band".

BTW, he uses his acoustic guitars on a Roland JC120. sarrrrraaaaaap....  8-)


I like both guitarist... i watched them live couple of years ago... galing... mahilig sila sa twang guitars (tele, gretsch) may national pa na acoustic... :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 08, 2007, 12:11:16 PM
MAXI,

SINCE STILL UNSURE/SEEKING, DO GO FOR AN INEXPENSIVE ACOUSTIC (<15K??) INITIALLY BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE TIME BEFORE YOU GET TO KNOW 'THE ACOUSTIC SOUND' AND WHAT WILL DEFINE YOUR PERSONAL ACOUSTIC TASTE (WOODS & SHAPE - DREAD, J, SJ, OM, OO, PARLOR). YOUR INITIAL INVESTMENT WILL 'GET YOUR FEET WET' SO TO SPEAK AND AVOID THE PITFALLS/MONEY LOSS OF UNKNOWN TERRITORY. IN THE LONG RUN IT WILL ALLOW WISER DECISIONS AND THE RIGHTFUL GUITAR FOR YOUR HANDS & EARS. ---SATISFACTION!
I FORGOT TO MENTION AN "UNKNOWN PLACE" :roll: :-D WHICH THE 'OLDIES' HAVE RELIED ON FOR PRO EQUIPMENT; THEY HAVE THE LOWER PRICED CHINA/KOREAN INSTRUMENTS IN STOCK. DO CALL CAROL OR CARLITOS BENAVIDES (KNOWN BY MOST SENYORS AND ARTISTES AND RECORDING INDUSTRY) TEL 7246138/7252847 FILICOM SOUNDS.
THEY WERE FOR AWHILE THE APPOINTED TAYLOR DISTRIBUTORS HERE, IN THE '90s
 

thanks sir GGBR!  i might try out the less expensive ones first before i go to the big names...i have some friends in singapore and i'll ask them to check out the guitar prices there.  as of the moment, i think i'm gonna get an AD-3 to enhance the plugged sound of my ovation while i'm still searching for a good all-wood acoustic.  thanks for the advice!

@ sir farseer,
thanks for the offer.  i will have to set my budget first before i can look at the used guitar market.

@ sir kulas,
thanks for all the advice!  u shared so much knowledge to me sa thread na to!

more power to us!  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 11, 2007, 03:16:56 PM
ei guys...mukhang wala nang masyadong nagpopost d2.   :cry:

anyway, i just want to share with you guys what happened when i visited yupancgo yesterday.

i arrived at yupangco after work at around 6:30pm.  store hours pala nila dun is 8am-6pm lang.  kahit ganito ung case, they still allowed us (i was with my sister who is looking for keyboards) to enter the store.  i was impressed with the staff there kasi even though closed na sila, they still attended to our questions and our sound checks.  KUDOS TO YUPANGCO for this!   8-)

anyway, i visited yupangco becasue i'm planning to buy a Boss RV-5 Digital Reverb.  i figured that if i can't get a good guitar, i might as well beef-up the plugged sound of my ovation through good effects.  i'm planning to get the RV-5 on saturday.  sabi sa yupangco, baka daw mag-sale sila come october.  i'm planning to follow up the RV-5 with a CH-1 Super Chorus.

any comments from the gurus?  thanks and let's keep this thread going.  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: EMFTBMD on September 11, 2007, 06:20:07 PM
A good pedal for acoustic guitars would be the Fishman Aura pedals.  I bought one recently for my Godin acoustic nylon string guitar. The guitar sounds phenomenal with the effect. It enhances the sound of the guitar without altering its tone. I have tried several other pedals ( compressors, delay, chorus)  to enhance my acoustic tone but I have not been pleased with the results until I bought this one. Check this out as you are better off with this one than a reverb pedal. You can use your acoustic amp or PA system for your reverb.

Check fishman's web site for further info: http://www.fishman.com/products/details.asp?id=92
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: paquitz on September 11, 2007, 11:24:19 PM
Up ko lang. Dami ko natutunan dito about acoustic guitar. Baka may gusto pa idagdag mga masters  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 12, 2007, 07:32:49 AM
A good pedal for acoustic guitars would be the Fishman Aura pedals.  I bought one recently for my Godin acoustic nylon string guitar. The guitar sounds phenomenal with the effect. It enhances the sound of the guitar without altering its tone. I have tried several other pedals ( compressors, delay, chorus)  to enhance my acoustic tone but I have not been pleased with the results until I bought this one. Check this out as you are better off with this one than a reverb pedal. You can use your acoustic amp or PA system for your reverb.

Check fishman's web site for further info: http://www.fishman.com/products/details.asp?id=92

thanks for the advice sir!  i know the Fishman Auras but i don't know if they are available here in the Philippines.  i still don't have the means to go out of the country to buy good quality gear so i have to settle for what's right here and easy to purchase as of the now.  :|

just some questions sir.  where were you able to buy your Fishman Aura and how much is it?  so that i know kung pano ako magsave.   :lol:

maybe as i go along and i can save enough money to go out of the country, i will get a better quality pedal for my acoustic.   8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 15, 2007, 12:59:16 AM
thanks for the advice sir!  i know the Fishman Auras but i don't know if they are available here in the Philippines.  i still don't have the means to go out of the country to buy good quality gear so i have to settle for what's right here and easy to purchase as of the now.  :|

just some questions sir.  where were you able to buy your Fishman Aura and how much is it?  so that i know kung pano ako magsave.   :lol:

maybe as i go along and i can save enough money to go out of the country, i will get a better quality pedal for my acoustic.   8-)

LONG TERM LOOK AT GETTING THE PERSONUS ACOUTI Q, AURAL EXCITER, (CHECK IF STILL IN THE MARKET THOUGH), D-TAR's (COLLABORATION OF RICK TURNER & S. DUNCAN) SOLSTICE OR MAMA BEAR PREAMPS (VERY SALEABLE- IN THE USA), HIGHLANDERS PREAMPS OR THE LR BAGGS. THE LATER PREAMPS HAVE SUCCEEDED TASTES OF MANY ACOUSTIC GUITARISTS. ULTIMATE THOUGH IS THE PENDULUM SPS-1 ACOUSTIC PREAMP!! THIS IS A RATHER BIG INVESTMENT KASI HI-END PRO NA.

TRY A LESS COSTLY SET UP WHICH CAN RIVAL PROS - USE A PRESONUS TUBEPRE BUT REPLACE THE STANDARD AX12 PREAMP TUBE WITH A REPUTABLE ONE THEN COUPLED WITH ANOTHER INEXPENSIVE EFFECTS SUCH AS THE NANOVERB OR PICOVERB OR QUADVERB OF ALESIS!! THIS SHOULD GIVE YOU A PRO HEADSTART. NO BS! :wink:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 15, 2007, 11:31:37 AM
LONG TERM LOOK AT GETTING THE PERSONUS ACOUTI Q, AURAL EXCITER, (CHECK IF STILL IN THE MARKET THOUGH), D-TAR's (COLLABORATION OF RICK TURNER & I-FORGOT-WHO) SOLSTICE OR MAMA BEAR PREAMPS (VERY SALEABLE- IN THE USA), HIGHLANDERS PREAMPS OR THE LR BAGGS. THE LATER PREAMPS HAVE SUCCEEDED TASTES OF MANY ACOUSTIC GUITARIST. ULTIMATE THOUGH IS THE PENDULUM SPS-1 ACOUSTIC PREAMP!! THIS IS A RATHER BIG INVESTMENT THOUGH MEDYO PRO NA.

TRY A LESS COSTLY SET UP WHICH CAN RIVAL PROS - USE A PRESONUS TUBEPRE BUT REPLACE THE STANDARD AX12 PREAMP TUBE WITH A REPUTABLE ONE THEN COUPLED WITH ANOTHER INEXPENSIVE EFFECTS SUCH AS THE NANOVERB OR PICOVERB OR QUADVERB OF ALESIS!! THIS SHOULD GIVE YOU A PRO HEADSTART. NO BS! :wink:



sir GGBR, dumaan ako sa clinic ni Doc nung wednesday kaso ndi ko sya inabutan!  hehe!  forgot to leave my calling card din..though i was able to get his calling card.  hehe!  we talked wednesday afternoon and he advised me against getting the Boss RV-5.  dapat kasi bibili na ko today nun...if not for his advice, siguro nagsayang na ko ng 10k.  hehehe!  sobrang laki daw kasi ng markup dun sa bibilan ko na store.

right now i was able to talk with my cousin na based sa singapore...he can get a lr baggs para acoustic DI for me there and papadala nalang nya d2 sa pinas next month.  much more affordable compared to the RV-5.  i'm really pushing na makuha ko na this month un or early next month para magamit ko na sa gigs...  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 15, 2007, 01:15:38 PM
right now i was able to talk with my cousin na based sa singapore...he can get a lr baggs para acoustic DI for me there and papadala nalang nya d2 sa pinas next month.  much more affordable compared to the RV-5.  i'm really pushing na makuha ko na this month un or early next month para magamit ko na sa gigs...  8-)

IF NOT MUCH MORE...ASK HIM TO CHECK OUT (RESEARCH THE WEB AS WELL)  D-TAR's SOLSTICE OR MAMA BEAR...YOU MAY HAVE SOMETHING MUCH MORE GOING THERE FOR YOU.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: fade2black0520 on September 15, 2007, 01:32:20 PM
ok po ba tunog ng ibanez aeg and aes series acoustics? medyo thin ang body nya na may built in tuner/eq.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 15, 2007, 01:49:04 PM

IF NOT MUCH MORE...ASK HIM TO CHECK OUT (RESEARCH THE WEB AS WELL)  D-TAR's SOLSTICE OR MAMA BEAR...YOU MAY HAVE SOMETHING MUCH MORE GOING THERE FOR YOU.


cge po i'll search kung available sa singapore ung mama bear.  but price-wise, comparable ba sya dun sa baggs DI?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 15, 2007, 02:03:42 PM
ok po ba tunog ng ibanez aeg and aes series acoustics? medyo thin ang body nya na may built in tuner/eq.

hindi pa po ako ganun ka-exposed sa mga ibanez acoustics sir...pero based sa mga gurus, basta nasa type lang ng woods..and the most important is solid wood ung top nya..ndi laminated.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on September 15, 2007, 02:52:57 PM
ok po ba tunog ng ibanez aeg and aes series acoustics? medyo thin ang body nya na may built in tuner/eq.

NO!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 15, 2007, 10:57:19 PM

cge po i'll search kung available sa singapore ung mama bear.  but price-wise, comparable ba sya dun sa baggs DI?

pareho kami, mama bear din...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Lahed92801 on September 15, 2007, 11:09:55 PM
NO!

+1 i felt the tone was kind of unsatisfactory  :| Not very bright too...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Poundcake on September 15, 2007, 11:58:07 PM
ok po ba tunog ng ibanez aeg and aes series acoustics? medyo thin ang body nya na may built in tuner/eq.

Olats yan men. Mag-Yamaha ka na lang kaysa sa Ibanez :)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 17, 2007, 09:12:47 AM
pareho kami, mama bear din...


talaga?  hehe!  sana hindi pa binili ng cousin ko ung baggs...i already emailed Davis Music sa Sing about sa price nila ng mama bear.  i hope they will reply asap.  pag hindi naman malayo ung price nya sa baggs, sabihin ko sa cousin ko na mama bear nalang ung kunin.   :-D

thanks for the advice!   :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on September 17, 2007, 09:47:32 AM
pareho kami, mama bear din...

i tried out the mama-bear and it had great tone but I wish there were more flexibility with the unit like mic modelling choices like on the Fishman Aura.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 17, 2007, 10:49:19 AM
different guitarists have different experiences and different suggestions talaga!   :-D

did anyone here watch The Corrs Unplugged video?  ganda din ng tunog ng gitara na ginamit dun ah.  can anyone help me in identifying the guitars used in that vid?  ung isa lang ang nakuha ko eh...Guild.  jumbo ata un eh.  the other guitar i'm not sure if it's a Larrivee or a Lowden.   :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on September 17, 2007, 11:01:39 AM
different guitarists have different experiences and different suggestions talaga!   :-D

did anyone here watch The Corrs Unplugged video?  ganda din ng tunog ng gitara na ginamit dun ah.  can anyone help me in identifying the guitars used in that vid?  ung isa lang ang nakuha ko eh...Guild.  jumbo ata un eh.  the other guitar i'm not sure if it's a Larrivee or a Lowden.   :-D

they're using Guild (6 and 12 strings) and what looks like a Lowden F Series or Stage Series model. the sound sounds like your normal DI sound.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 17, 2007, 11:16:52 AM
they're using Guild (6 and 12 strings) and Martin. the sound sounds like your normal DI sound.


was that a Martin?  i'm referring to the maroon guitar used by the Jim Corr.  when the camera focused on the sound hole, i thought i saw a big L inside.  so i'm thinking either Larrivee or Lowden.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on September 17, 2007, 11:47:09 AM

was that a Martin?  i'm referring to the maroon guitar used by the Jim Corr.  when the camera focused on the sound hole, i thought i saw a big L inside.  so i'm thinking either Larrivee or Lowden.
nah, i thought it was until I saw the body shape. Its a lowden.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 17, 2007, 11:53:22 AM
nah, i thought it was until I saw the body shape. Its a lowden.

yup...i think the 12-string is also a lowden.  darn..i can't access lowden's website...hehehe!  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: jebs on September 17, 2007, 01:50:41 PM
hello fellow acoustics. i was able to try a fernando/fernandes (its either of the 2) acoustic yesterday in JB.. and i was blown away by the sound of it. bassy round sound, and bright sound.  im not sure of the body, it has a ROUND JUMBO shape but MEDIUM in size. so i guess its a medium jumbo, slightly smaller than a regular dread. get the idea?

my question is,
1.  does that kind of body really give a bassy round sound? very much diff from dreads? it had so much boom compared to takamine dread that i also tried.. 
2.  i cant believe it was a fernando/fernandes guitar? are they this good?  is it because of the body or wood, that this guitar sounds good? sounds like it has solid top..  but i doubt it cos it was averagely priced around 7k.

i currently own an ibanez dread pf series solid top. but the sound is very diff from the fernando.   
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on September 17, 2007, 03:26:05 PM
hello fellow acoustics. i was able to try a fernando/fernandes (its either of the 2) acoustic yesterday in JB.. and i was blown away by the sound of it. bassy round sound, and bright sound.  im not sure of the body, it has a ROUND JUMBO shape but MEDIUM in size. so i guess its a medium jumbo, slightly smaller than a regular dread. get the idea?

my question is,
1.  does that kind of body really give a bassy round sound? very much diff from dreads? it had so much boom compared to takamine dread that i also tried.. 
2.  i cant believe it was a fernando/fernandes guitar? are they this good?  is it because of the body or wood, that this guitar sounds good? sounds like it has solid top..  but i doubt it cos it was averagely priced around 7k.

i currently own an ibanez dread pf series solid top. but the sound is very diff from the fernando.   

the things to consider in the tone of an acoustic are: the shape, the materials used in making the thing, the design and the intonation. all guitars will sound different from each other and, just as each guitar is different, each person here will have their own opinion about a guitar. more importantly is to ask, what do YOU think about the guitar in comparison to the other guitars you've played?

i will try any guitar just to see what it has to offer and I can't say that I am fickle about acoustic name brands because, really, I don't care for chasing ém down on that criteria alone since I ain't in buying guitars for the collector's value. i play my acoustics - a lot - and if it can't deliver live or in the studio, well, thats a bad dollar spent in my book. Whether or not it is a Fernandes, a Taylor, a Lowden or a Martin, if it plays well, feels good and gets the creative juices flowing on YOUR part, go for it.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 17, 2007, 04:41:48 PM
hello fellow acoustics. i was able to try a fernando/fernandes (its either of the 2) acoustic yesterday in JB.. and i was blown away by the sound of it. bassy round sound, and bright sound.  im not sure of the body, it has a ROUND JUMBO shape but MEDIUM in size. so i guess its a medium jumbo, slightly smaller than a regular dread. get the idea?

my question is,
1.  does that kind of body really give a bassy round sound? very much diff from dreads? it had so much boom compared to takamine dread that i also tried.. 
2.  i cant believe it was a fernando/fernandes guitar? are they this good?  is it because of the body or wood, that this guitar sounds good? sounds like it has solid top..  but i doubt it cos it was averagely priced around 7k.

i currently own an ibanez dread pf series solid top. but the sound is very diff from the fernando.   


+1 to the previous reply dude.

it will all boil down to your preferences as a musician..that's the beauty about music!  there is no hard and fast rules on your preferences.  all musicians know this and we respect the crafts of all our colleagues.

there really are better brands than others...but what's really important is you, the musician.  musical instruments are just simply avenues for the musician to manifest their feelings and experiences (chick-flick moment)   :-D

every musician knows if a guitar "feels" right or not.  and whatever makes a musician feels right, is worth buying.   8-)

the key is to try as many guitars as you can to broaden your listening experiences so that when the time comes na pipili ka na, you can really say to yourself that "this guitar feels right".  8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 17, 2007, 05:10:29 PM
Max,

I just read your reply to the personal message.

Regarding pickups-- I am at the moment in South Korea and have communicated with the OEM for AER's AK-15 pickup (I had also contacted the maker of Wilkinson hardware). They are unable to sell this here because it needs to go thru AER Germany. They told me that there is already a newer version of this pickup which will be branded as AK-15 plus. You may want to wait a while for its release. JB distributes AER.

Best reagrds. 
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on September 17, 2007, 05:26:20 PM
i own a fernando and i think it's way too good for it's price. Ü. bang for the buck. may be a bang bang bang for that. hehe.

mahogany neck, back, and sides; spruce <dunno if solid or not, or if it is spruce even> top, ebony/ rosewood frets. the body relatively thin but it sounds real big.

maybe suit it up with better electronics it's a jackpot. had some issues with the setup before but after fixing it i liked it better.

i agree with the guys above, acoustic <and any other guitars> guitar tones will eventually boil down to preference.

i also have a sagano installed with lr baggs pickups <tenks kulas> but i have yet to experience it's full potential with a preamp.

as for the fernando, i'll post the soundclip of the recording after the single is officially released. heheh.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 17, 2007, 05:39:54 PM
different guitarists have different experiences and different suggestions talaga!   :-D

did anyone here watch The Corrs Unplugged video?  ganda din ng tunog ng gitara na ginamit dun ah.  can anyone help me in identifying the guitars used in that vid?  ung isa lang ang nakuha ko eh...Guild.  jumbo ata un eh.  the other guitar i'm not sure if it's a Larrivee or a Lowden.   :-D
Guild f50, i have one of those... lowdens make sense... irish made, corrs=irish :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 17, 2007, 05:48:39 PM
Max,

I just read your reply to the personal message.

Regarding pickups-- I am at the moment in South Korea and have communicated with the OEM for AER's AK-15 pickup (I had also contacted the maker of Wilkinson hardware). They are unable to sell this here because it needs to go thru AER Germany. They told me that there is already a newer version of this pickup which will be branded as AK-15 plus. You may want to wait a while for its release. JB distributes AER.

Best reagrds. 


sori for the late reply sir GGBR.  i downloaded the pdf for the AK-15 plus.  looks promising.   :-D  and i think by the time na maging available na sya sa JB, may ipon na ko to buy a good guitar.   8-)

i emailed Davis Music Singapore asking how much yung mama bear.  i don't think they will reply.   :-D  i'll see if i can get my cousin to ask how much!

thanks sir!  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 17, 2007, 05:50:04 PM
Guild f50, i have one of those... lowdens make sense... irish made, corrs=irish :-D


hehehe!   :-D  ganda nung Guild Doc.  jumbo un dba?  yun ba ung sinasabi mong mas gs2 mo ung tunog kesa sa Taylor 9series mo?  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 17, 2007, 06:14:48 PM
sir GGBR and Doc,

just received the reply from Davis Music sa Singapore..Mama Bear costs Sing$595.  grabe halos 2x nung Baggs...way out of my budget.  game plan ng purchases ko kasi in chronological order:  Baggs - Guitar - Aura.   :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 17, 2007, 08:25:28 PM
Max,

The D-TAR Mama Bear Preamp is more than double because it is NOT ONLY a PREAMP BUT ALSO a modeling amp with efx I believe! It has incredible sounds(daw). Postpone your decision and save up for this last.

I purchased something which is pricier but serves only as a preamp/blender/DI unit. It has an excellent sound for both live & studio use called the Raven Labs Professional Master Blender II. It was designed by the maker of SWR amps but no longer in production. The designer has retired in 2005 and I was in luck buying the last unit from Gary Brawer (who recommended it to me)of San Francisco.

To further aid your choice(s)(or maybe confusion :-D)
Here are the top sellers for acoustic accessories in the USA:

PICKUPS
K&K Pure Western   Unique soundboard pickup (mini recommended)  $86.10
DTAR Wavelength    Easy-install version of the Timberline.     $111.30
Baggs M1 Active    M1 with onboard juice and volume control    $169.00
Baggs Element Active System  Undersaddle pickup with onboard preamp & volume control                                                 $99.00
               
Element Onboard System  Element & side-mount blending preamp; retrofits into factory-installed electronics                   $179.00
 
PREAMPS
DTAR Mama Bear   Revolutionary modeling preamp                 $349.30
Baggs Para-Acoustic DI  Full-featured external preamp, EQ, and DI                                                             $159.00
K&K Pure XLR Preamp  Best with K&K pickups; adds XLR out and phase switch to standard Pure preamp.                               $147.00
       
AMP
AER Compact 60  Two channels, 60 watts. Includes one free Zaolla cable.                                                        $999.00
 
 

Prices are from a very reliable source ex-Colorado.

Regards.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 17, 2007, 09:58:42 PM
Max,

The D-TAR Mama Bear Preamp is more than double because it is NOT ONLY a PREAMP BUT ALSO a modeling amp with efx I believe! It has incredible sounds(daw). Postpone your decision and save up for this last.

I purchased something which is pricier but serves only as a preamp/blender/DI unit. It has an excellent sound for both live & studio use called the Raven Labs Professional Master Blender II. It was designed by the maker of SWR amps but no longer in production. The designer has retired in 2005 and I was in luck buying the last unit from Gary Brawer (who recommended it to me)of San Francisco.

To further aid your choice(s)(or maybe confusion :-D)
Here are the top sellers for acoustic accessories in the USA:

PICKUPS
K&K Pure Western   Unique soundboard pickup (mini recommended)  $86.10
DTAR Wavelength    Easy-install version of the Timberline.     $111.30
Baggs M1 Active    M1 with onboard juice and volume control    $169.00
Baggs Element Active System  Undersaddle pickup with onboard preamp & volume control                                                 $99.00
               
Element Onboard System  Element & side-mount blending preamp; retrofits into factory-installed electronics                   $179.00
 
PREAMPS
DTAR Mama Bear   Revolutionary modeling preamp                 $349.30
Baggs Para-Acoustic DI  Full-featured external preamp, EQ, and DI                                                             $159.00
K&K Pure XLR Preamp  Best with K&K pickups; adds XLR out and phase switch to standard Pure preamp.                               $147.00
       
AMP
AER Compact 60  Two channels, 60 watts. Includes one free Zaolla cable.                                                        $999.00
 
 

Prices are from a very reliable source ex-Colorado.

Regards.


thanks so much for the information sir GGBR!  actually i'm really confused since everybody has been recommending different things!   :-D  but i'm thankful since i get to know so much about the acoustic guitar this early.   :-D

i'm going to assess my options sir...pero i think mama bear is a little too much for my budget (and my salary) right now.   :cry:  cguro next year na ko kukuha ng malupet na preamp when i have a quality guitar na.  papatulong nalang ako kay Doc para makakuha ako ng quality used brands.   :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 18, 2007, 10:49:33 AM

thanks so much for the information sir GGBR!  actually i'm really confused since everybody has been recommending different things!   :-D  but i'm thankful since i get to know so much about the acoustic guitar this early.   :-D

i'm going to assess my options sir...pero i think mama bear is a little too much for my budget (and my salary) right now.   :cry:  cguro next year na ko kukuha ng malupet na preamp when i have a quality guitar na.  papatulong nalang ako kay Doc para makakuha ako ng quality used brands.   :-D

Max,

Surely you will learn from all the inputs herein. But...

Suggest that you find out who has 1) what ever kind(s) of intruments/equipment and 2) most importantly, has had direct working experience with such instrument and equipment. By this you will separate those who are into lip service and those who actually hear/touch/work with the equipment/instrument (estimate about just 5%). Better yet are those who have been years in the music industry (maybe just less than 5%)as these are the individuals who have tried and worked with various eqpiument in various scenarios of this performing art. Ask for their personal background and working track record on the industry (music) so that you can assess their working knowledge on the subject you need to know.

I am sure that your contact where you were to bump into me had you gone earlier is one of those that you can rely on because he has and is an actual user of equipment.

Just some words to increase your discernment on who are (the many) vs who is (the few).
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on September 18, 2007, 11:01:17 AM

thanks so much for the information sir GGBR!  actually i'm really confused since everybody has been recommending different things!   :-D  but i'm thankful since i get to know so much about the acoustic guitar this early.   :-D

i'm going to assess my options sir...pero i think mama bear is a little too much for my budget (and my salary) right now.   :cry:  cguro next year na ko kukuha ng malupet na preamp when i have a quality guitar na.  papatulong nalang ako kay Doc para makakuha ako ng quality used brands.   :-D

will you using the gear live or in the studio? the mama bear sounds great but if you want to switch on the fly, its going to be hard because the interface requires it to be changed by hand. if access is a concern, you could try going for the Fishman Aura. when I was shopping around for a DI unit, the Aura and the D-Tar were pretty much the only two things out there that one could look into. i eventually went with the Aura for 2 reasons: the thing is mounted on a steel chassis and it is foot switchable. The imaging is a good treat too but requires you to send your main guitar Fishman for imaging. Turnaround is about 2 weeks and I got both my guitars back quickly. Just give them enough time to do their work months ahead of your anticipated gig! However, images are available online and you can use those as templates to see if they work well for your existing guitars.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 18, 2007, 11:56:33 AM
Max,

Surely you will learn from all the inputs herein. But...

Suggest that you find out who has 1) what ever kind(s) of intruments/equipment and 2) most importantly, has had direct working experience with such instrument and equipment. By this you will separate those who are into lip service and those who actually hear/touch/work with the equipment/instrument (estimate about just 5%). Better yet are those who have been years in the music industry (maybe just less than 5%)as these are the individuals who have tried and worked with various eqpiument in various scenarios of this performing art. Ask for their personal background and working track record on the industry (music) so that you can assess their working knowledge on the subject you need to know.

I am sure that your contact where you were to bump into me had you gone earlier is one of those that you can rely on because he has and is an actual user of equipment.

Just some words to increase your discernment on who are (the many) vs who is (the few).


exactly...thanks for these words!  this thread really increased my knowledge about acoustic guitars, especially the brands.  like what you said in your previous thread, "the names that i don't know are the names i should watch out for".  8-)

Quote
I am sure that your contact where you were to bump into me had you gone earlier is one of those that you can rely on because he has and is an actual user of equipment.

i'm not sure what this means sir GGBR...  :?  is there a typo somewhere?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 18, 2007, 11:59:40 AM
will you using the gear live or in the studio? the mama bear sounds great but if you want to switch on the fly, its going to be hard because the interface requires it to be changed by hand. if access is a concern, you could try going for the Fishman Aura. when I was shopping around for a DI unit, the Aura and the D-Tar were pretty much the only two things out there that one could look into. i eventually went with the Aura for 2 reasons: the thing is mounted on a steel chassis and it is foot switchable. The imaging is a good treat too but requires you to send your main guitar Fishman for imaging. Turnaround is about 2 weeks and I got both my guitars back quickly. Just give them enough time to do their work months ahead of your anticipated gig! However, images are available online and you can use those as templates to see if they work well for your existing guitars.

thanks for the advice!   8-)

i'm going to use the gear both live and for recording.  but i do more live gigs.  i didn't know that you had to send your guitar to Fishman for the imaging...i thought the acoustic images are already pre-set in the pedal and can be accessed just by turning the knob..  :?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on September 18, 2007, 12:07:54 PM
thanks for the advice!   8-)

i'm going to use the gear both live and for recording.  but i do more live gigs.  i didn't know that you had to send your guitar to Fishman for the imaging...i thought the acoustic images are already pre-set in the pedal and can be accessed just by turning the knob..  :?
the mic modelling is preset but the mic modelling is based on the responses of acoustic guitars of the most common shapes so, in a sense, they are generalized presets. you do not have to send your guitar to Fishman since it is a n option. although the presets are great, some people want a more accurate representation of their acoustic tone by taking advantage of the modelling and tailoring an actual preset by having Fishman record their acoustic guitar and producing a custom mic modelling image. For example, they have a Royer ribbon mic preset on the item but for anyone who has worked with ribbon mics, especially royers, they will know that those mics are quite fickle when it comes to micing guitar sound. placement, configuration and the location all influence how the resulting recording eventually comes out.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 18, 2007, 12:26:51 PM
the mic modelling is preset but the mic modelling is based on the responses of acoustic guitars of the most common shapes so, in a sense, they are generalized presets. you do not have to send your guitar to Fishman since it is a n option. although the presets are great, some people want a more accurate representation of their acoustic tone by taking advantage of the modelling and tailoring an actual preset by having Fishman record their acoustic guitar and producing a custom mic modelling image. For example, they have a Royer ribbon mic preset on the item but for anyone who has worked with ribbon mics, especially royers, they will know that those mics are quite fickle when it comes to micing guitar sound. placement, configuration and the location all influence how the resulting recording eventually comes out.

now i understand!   :-D  thanks!   8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on September 18, 2007, 02:56:32 PM
Maxi,

Quote
I am sure that your contact [where you were to bump into me had you gone earlier] is one of those that you can rely on because he has and is an actual user of equipment.

i'm not sure what this means sir GGBR...    is there a typo somewhere?

DOC (WHEN YOU WERE IN HIS CLINIC)!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 18, 2007, 05:20:39 PM

DOC (WHEN YOU WERE IN HIS CLINIC)!


oh ok!   :-D

i'll try to drop by this friday...but i'm not sure since i usually stay in the office until 6:30pm (on a good night  :-D). 
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on September 18, 2007, 10:59:39 PM
@doc farseer: are you located in Texas? for some reason, i always thought you were located close to PRSMan or something.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: D16T on September 19, 2007, 01:52:07 PM
mabuhay ka kulas for starting this - 'thread' ba tawag dito?..

i remember four years ago i was asking more less the same questions and i was really lucky that Arie was kind enough to accomodate all of my questions even when he was so busy with all the guitars in his "always-fully-packed-with-guitars" hospital.

searching the true acoustic tone is i found a 'holy grail', an impossible dream.?.

maybe...

a couple of years after i started my quest, i had to stop and think and accept that good sound for us mere mortals is relative to the amount that we can or are willing to spend.

it's easy when you start with Lumanog's or Don Jon's moving up to 2nd hand Morisses or old Yamaha's and then further on to Ibanez'es or Applause's. 

From here it will still be alright to move further on to brand new Yamaha's, Ovation's, Takamine's or Godin acoustic's e.g, Seagull's. ... .and then it hits you smack in the face...how much could you still improve? At this price point, which anywhere from 25T to 50T, you realize that you will need to spend ~100T to hear a significant improvement on the sound of your guitar...

True Acoustic Tone - as you all correctly deciphered is a subjective issue. 

one can play a Fernando and be totally immersed in your sweet zone in the same manner as another would play his Ramirez with the technicality of a virtuoso.

in the end, just get the best guitar which you yourself has tried. trust only your guts...if it's an SX, good. If it's an SCGC, good.
   
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on September 19, 2007, 02:18:45 PM
@doc farseer: are you located in Texas? for some reason, i always thought you were located close to PRSMan or something.

he's located down south...











...in parañaque, hehe.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: fade2black0520 on September 19, 2007, 03:20:19 PM
sirs i need some help. could you suggest a decent steel string acoutic guitar w/ onboard tuner and eq under 20K? is my budget enough? tnanks! :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on September 19, 2007, 04:50:30 PM
sirs i need some help. could you suggest a decent steel string acoutic guitar w/ onboard tuner and eq under 20K? is my budget enough? tnanks! :-D

decent = not necessarily great but does the job.

ibanez or applause acoustics.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 19, 2007, 05:26:41 PM
decent = not necessarily great but does the job.

ibanez or applause acoustics.

+1   :-)

but i would still prefer ibanez over applause.  you should start with an all-wood acoustic right away.  that's my mistake...i'm stuck with an ovation and now i'm dreaming of an all-wood.   :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 19, 2007, 08:21:29 PM
@doc farseer: are you located in Texas? for some reason, i always thought you were located close to PRSMan or something.

nasa pinas ako.. makati...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: PRSMan on September 19, 2007, 08:39:32 PM
@doc farseer: are you located in Texas? for some reason, i always thought you were located close to PRSMan or something.

i wish malapit ako kay farseer... para masubukan ko lahat ng gitara niya...  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 19, 2007, 08:57:48 PM
i wish malapit ako kay farseer... para masubukan ko lahat ng gitara niya...  :-D


+100!   :lol:

musta na Doc Farseer?  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: bendedbeam on September 20, 2007, 11:41:03 PM
Any decent acoustic would do, then mic it. As Eric Clapton would :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on September 21, 2007, 12:38:25 AM
i wish malapit ako kay farseer... para masubukan ko lahat ng gitara niya...  :-D

haha...thats right:)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 21, 2007, 09:55:47 AM
sana malapit ako sa inyo... you guys are lucky, lahat meroon diyan...  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 21, 2007, 09:56:51 AM

+100!   :lol:

musta na Doc Farseer?  :-)

Ayus lang... may takamine sa classifieds... try it out :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 21, 2007, 01:20:10 PM
Ayus lang... may takamine sa classifieds... try it out :-)

defective daw yung volume control pag EQ-in Doc.  ewan ko lng..hehehe!  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: jmreyes on September 21, 2007, 03:06:14 PM
Hi all,

May be a bit off topic but i just need a bit of help.

I have an Ibanez V70CE acoustic guitar.
It only has one strap button.
I am aware that I need to tie the other end of the strap to the guitar head just behind the nut. But I don't like it that way.
I would like to add another strap button sana.
Who among you all have tried to screw one more button?
Does anybody know where is the best location to install it?

Thanks.

 :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on September 21, 2007, 04:25:32 PM
sana malapit ako sa inyo... you guys are lucky, lahat meroon diyan...  :-)

haha...availability of all types of gear can be a double edged sword as well. thing is, it is very easy to acquire gear and more gear but not play with it as much. i dunno, maybe thats just me but I prefer to not keep instruments around if I don't use it. By the way, doc, have you ever played those fingerstyle Larivees? I tried one out a couple of days ago and thought the feel was darn good. I'd never seen one before and was surprised that the body was almost as small as an OM.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 22, 2007, 02:34:35 PM
Hi all,

May be a bit off topic but i just need a bit of help.

I have an Ibanez V70CE acoustic guitar.
It only has one strap button.
I am aware that I need to tie the other end of the strap to the guitar head just behind the nut. But I don't like it that way.
I would like to add another strap button sana.
Who among you all have tried to screw one more button?
Does anybody know where is the best location to install it?

Thanks.

 :-)


try arie hipolito of guitar hospital.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: jmreyes on September 22, 2007, 04:41:43 PM
try arie hipolito of guitar hospital.  :-D

Sorry but im from the Visayas so that couldn't be an option for me.
Thanks for the suggestion anyway sir.
I also think its a fairly easy DIY job. I just don't know where exactly should  I screw the button for maximum comfort while playing, securely also, so that the strap wont slip and I am afraid that I might crack my guitars heel if I mess up.  :-)

Anybody else?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 24, 2007, 09:27:33 AM
something's wrong with my guitar...  :oops:

when i'm plugged and i pluck the 4th string, i hear a distorted sound on the speakers.  this has nothing to do with string action since when i'm unplugged there's no buzz.  this happens only on the 4th string, not on the other strings.  i think it has something to do with the electronics.  but i can't figure out how to deal with it.   :cry:

i bought the guitar from JB 4 years ago.  should i bring it there first or should i bring it to arie's?  :|
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 24, 2007, 10:56:14 AM
baka nag crack yun piezo crystal :-D
you can also take the guitar to audiophile main..
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 24, 2007, 11:08:55 AM
pwede ba to dito :- :-D :-D

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1369/1430945836_e82ebfd0c6.jpg?v=0)

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on September 24, 2007, 11:15:55 AM
pwede ba to dito :- :-D :-D

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1369/1430945836_e82ebfd0c6.jpg?v=0)



walangya, bumili ka na rin pala ng parker! hehehe. hindi vintage yan ah! anong model yan?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 24, 2007, 11:17:53 AM
baka nag crack yun piezo crystal :-D
you can also take the guitar to audiophile main..

anu ung piezo crystal doc?  :?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 24, 2007, 11:20:32 AM
pwede ba to dito :- :-D :-D

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1369/1430945836_e82ebfd0c6.jpg?v=0)



nice doc!   :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 24, 2007, 11:26:09 AM
walangya, bumili ka na rin pala ng parker! hehehe. hindi vintage yan ah! anong model yan?

fly classic, mas ok to kesa dun sa dalawang deluxe na dumaan sa akin... medyo updated design na, better pups... laruan to :-D

may acoustics na rin ang parker, odd shapes...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 24, 2007, 11:27:47 AM
anu ung piezo crystal doc?  :?

yun transducer... piezo crystal laman niyan... have it checked... si mang bert marunong niyan... ap main... call first and make sure nandoon siya...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 24, 2007, 11:34:04 AM
yun transducer... piezo crystal laman niyan... have it checked... si mang bert marunong niyan... ap main... call first and make sure nandoon siya...

thanks doc!   :-D

ano po assessment nyo sa acoustics ng parker?  aside from weird shapes?  :-D  and price range din pala...  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 24, 2007, 01:45:36 PM
thanks doc!   :-D

ano po assessment nyo sa acoustics ng parker?  aside from weird shapes?  :-D  and price range din pala...  :-D

i havent tried one... di ko type... hehehe...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 24, 2007, 02:38:38 PM
lapit lang pala ng ap main sa bahay namin!   :-D

titingnan kaya nya ung gitara ko kahit ovation?  JB kasi un eh!  :lol:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 24, 2007, 02:48:50 PM
lapit lang pala ng ap main sa bahay namin!   :-D

titingnan kaya nya ung gitara ko kahit ovation?  JB kasi un eh!  :lol:

yup, hanapin mo si bert
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 24, 2007, 08:06:38 PM
=PARKE]www.pricegrabber.com/search_attrib.php?page_id=1671&vendors[]=PARKE (http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_attrib.php?page_id=1671&vendors[)

yan na link pareng max :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 24, 2007, 08:08:27 PM
type mo nalang sa search function "parker"... nasa 1k more or less, di naman mahal mga acoustics nila
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 24, 2007, 08:27:08 PM
type mo nalang sa search function "parker"... nasa 1k more or less, di naman mahal mga acoustics nila

thanks doc!  :-)

mukhang ok naman in terms of wood and price no?  solid top and sides ung ibang models.  radical lang tlga ang design nya...hehehe!  :-D  nung kinuha mo ung parker mo doc, hinawakan mo din ung acoustics nila?  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Angst_Ridden on September 24, 2007, 09:47:16 PM
Hello guys! Just curious, what string gauge do you use for your acoustics? .12-.53 kc yung gamit ko sa acoustic ko, ganda ng tone pero yung downside is ang sakit sa kamay! Lalo na kung puro barre chords yng pnplay ko.  :cry:  Any suggestions po ba?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 24, 2007, 10:28:13 PM
Hello guys! Just curious, what string gauge do you use for your acoustics? .12-.53 kc yung gamit ko sa acoustic ko, ganda ng tone pero yung downside is ang sakit sa kamay! Lalo na kung puro barre chords yng pnplay ko.  :cry:  Any suggestions po ba?

refer to this link dude:  :-)  (sana clickable sya!  hehehe!)

http://www.daddario.com/DADFAcoustic.aspx?ID=2

i use d'addario EXP15 extra light.  that's .10-.47.  ung sayo, light na yan.  ganun tlga kasi sa strings eh..the heavier the gauge, the fatter the tone.  another factor to consider is the body of your guitar.  if your guitar's body is thin, u will need heavier strings to compensate for the "manipis" sound.  in my case kasi, wide ung body ng guitar ko kaya mas makapal ung sound nya.  so ok lang ung extra light strings.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on September 25, 2007, 02:15:58 AM
if your guitar's body is thin, u will need heavier strings to compensate for the "manipis" sound. 

whoah..whoah..make sure to pay attention to the recommended string guage for your guitar. just because a guitar is thin (OM style or smaller) doesn't mean it can take a heavier guage string. if anything, you should be very careful with putting heavy strings on it because you will end up doing any one of the following:

-ripping the bridge off gradually from the top
-weaken the glue trusses
-weaken the dovetail joint between the body and neck.

it is a pain to fix a guitar which has been carelessly cared for by a novice guitarist thinking that a heavier string guage does not require any appropriate adjustments and considerations to the guitar's design. be careful and read your guitar manual.

I use 11 and 12 string guages for my acoustics from John Pearse and Dean Markley Alchemy.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 25, 2007, 09:26:34 AM
whoah..whoah..make sure to pay attention to the recommended string guage for your guitar. just because a guitar is thin (OM style or smaller) doesn't mean it can take a heavier guage string. if anything, you should be very careful with putting heavy strings on it because you will end up doing any one of the following:

-ripping the bridge off gradually from the top
-weaken the glue trusses
-weaken the dovetail joint between the body and neck.

it is a pain to fix a guitar which has been carelessly cared for by a novice guitarist thinking that a heavier string guage does not require any appropriate adjustments and considerations to the guitar's design. be careful and read your guitar manual.

I use 11 and 12 string guages for my acoustics from John Pearse and Dean Markley Alchemy.

sorry my reply wasn't very detailed.  :-D  i was just stating the general rule when it comes to string gauges.   :-)

dude, listen to the advice above.  make sure that the string gauge you use is proper for your guitar.   :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 25, 2007, 09:30:58 AM
12s are standard for me, unless the the feel and tone gets stiff... this is common for smaller bodied guitars (grand auditorium, parlour), then i change to 11s...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: jmreyes on September 25, 2007, 10:36:42 AM
Hi all,

May be a bit off topic but i just need a bit of help.

I have an Ibanez V70CE acoustic guitar.
It only has one strap button.
I am aware that I need to tie the other end of the strap to the guitar head just behind the nut. But I don't like it that way.
I would like to add another strap button sana.
Who among you all have tried to screw one more button?
Does anybody know where is the best location to install it?

Thanks.

 :-)


BUMP. Anybody?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Angst_Ridden on September 25, 2007, 12:43:18 PM
Tnx sa mga nagreply about sa string gauge, Na try ko na yung 11's kaso mhirap mghanap ng ganun na size, mgttry ako ng 10's next week.  :-)

About the strap button, try nyo tong link na to

http://www.acousticguitar.com/article/144/144,6129,Q&A-1.asp

You can install it near the base of the neck, yung sa may joint part. basta wag sa body ng guitar kc manipis lng yun..
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: D16T on September 25, 2007, 01:59:26 PM
dagdag ko lang igan, baka lang na miss nyo 'tong info...yes, gauge 11's are quite rare. ang madalas na meron nyan is or are audiophile stores.  they carry GHS strings and normally they have gauge 11's.

unfortunately, eto mga nakaraang buwan ang hirap din makakuha. try mo lang baka meron na sila.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 27, 2007, 08:05:44 AM
mejo malapit na ko magpalit ng strings guys.  :-)

i'm currently using d'addario exp15.  i want to try the elixir polyweb na available sa PJC music.

any comments on elixirs vs d'addarios?  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: gijira on September 27, 2007, 01:04:31 PM
i first fell in love with the tone of will akerman's "slow motion roast beef restaurant seduction" when i was a kid, then i found out that hes usinga froggy bottom. from then on hanar ako locally na medyo maganda ang tone. collings and larivee, di ako gano impressed, kahit amg mahal nya. garrison is very loud pero di ganon ka complex ang overtones.

one day, i was with a friend looking for a classical guitar in a store in del monte and i picked up and tried up one. that moment changed my life! parang mga bituin lumalabas sa soundhole nung classical. when i looked at the label, it was madee by a local luthier. since them the luthier became a friend. one time pagawa ako ng steel accoustic. german spruce top, walnut yata back and sides, bone nut and saddles, ebony fretboard and all the standard appointments. "ryan" ang shape ng body, with scaloped open x bracing. almost ayear hinintay ko. finally when igot it, my fingers where dumbfounded.

hail, mang tata, world class filipino luthier. u can discuss with him the design of the guitar, medyo minitin lang ulo pag masyado makuriri kaya pinagtataguan ako nun. :-) peace mang tata!

P.S. compared it with a vintage D28, hands down i like my guitar. sbihin nang subjective ako, pero layo tunog!


by the way im using heavier guage strings d addario pa rin
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 27, 2007, 02:04:38 PM
i first fell in love with the tone of will akerman's "slow motion roast beef restaurant seduction" when i was a kid, then i found out that hes usinga froggy bottom. from then on hanar ako locally na medyo maganda ang tone. collings and larivee, di ako gano impressed, kahit amg mahal nya. garrison is very loud pero di ganon ka complex ang overtones.

one day, i was with a friend looking for a classical guitar in a store in del monte and i picked up and tried up one. that moment changed my life! parang mga bituin lumalabas sa soundhole nung classical. when i looked at the label, it was madee by a local luthier. since them the luthier became a friend. one time pagawa ako ng steel accoustic. german spruce top, walnut yata back and sides, bone nut and saddles, ebony fretboard and all the standard appointments. "ryan" ang shape ng body, with scaloped open x bracing. almost ayear hinintay ko. finally when igot it, my fingers where dumbfounded.

hail, mang tata, world class filipino luthier. u can discuss with him the design of the guitar, medyo minitin lang ulo pag masyado makuriri kaya pinagtataguan ako nun. :-) peace mang tata!

P.S. compared it with a vintage D28, hands down i like my guitar. sbihin nang subjective ako, pero layo tunog!


by the way im using heavier guage strings d addario pa rin

good for you bro!  :-D

where can i meet mang tata?  pagawa din kaya ako sa kanya?  hmmmm...  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: gijira on September 27, 2007, 11:27:06 PM
go ahead please visit him. he lives in cogeo antipolo bro, zonta village. lapit sa anipolo district hospital. he is quite known in that place, he is known as the guitar builder.

i have to warn you though, classical guitar luthier sya. so better have your specification to discuss with him kung steel acoustic pagawa mo. if your patient enough, he can build you your ultimate dream guitar! (medyo ober yata!). pero he made me one! my lattice braced classical guitar (ala smallman).

i hope we could help this very meek luthier who excels in his trade, unlike iba nakausap ko na gumagawa na maangas but pales in comparison to mang tata.

medyo patient lang bro, parang ermitanyo sya the way he looks and the way he act and speak, kaya kung pagalitan ka, ngiti ka lang para gandahan gitara mo. hehe. :-D

 
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 27, 2007, 11:30:46 PM
naku max... ingat ka pa custom... nagpagawa na ako kay mang tata... txt me nalang sa story...  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 01, 2007, 06:23:32 PM
naku max... ingat ka pa custom... nagpagawa na ako kay mang tata... txt me nalang sa story...  :-)

just got back from 4-day fieldwork!  :-)

cge doc text kta!  hehehe!  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 01, 2007, 06:28:42 PM
go ahead please visit him. he lives in cogeo antipolo bro, zonta village. lapit sa anipolo district hospital. he is quite known in that place, he is known as the guitar builder.

i hope we could help this very meek luthier who excels in his trade.

medyo patient lang bro, parang ermitanyo sya the way he looks and the way he act and speak, kaya kung pagalitan ka, ngiti ka lang para gandahan gitara mo. hehe. :-D

 


ahh..classical guitar luthier pala sya..i heard of him from my cousin who is a classical guitarist.  sabi nga nya may gumgawa nga raw na taga-antipolo.  :-)

i'll pay him a visit if i have time bro!  thanks for the info!   :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: gijira on October 01, 2007, 11:47:54 PM
im sorry to hear doc farseer if you had an unpleasant experience with mang tata. the thing is, you have to be patient and at the same time very specefic with what you want to hav him build you. ako po una ko classical sobra boomy and base heavy ang sound, the second one had very problematic back and sides (lways developing cracks), the last classical which i considered my dream guitar, i think he got it right. lingo lingo dinadalaw ko. sarap makita unti unti nagkakaporma yung gitara.

and then we had some steel accoustics and the one i was refering to was somewhat a freak of an accident cguro po nya. kahit sya nagulat sa tunog.

medyo marami din po kami experiments sa bracing, wood, even sa glue po. gumamit pa kami animal glue pero d practical.

anyways, i viewed your collection of guitars doc farseer, they are really awesome, sana mahimas ko man lang mga tele at lp mo. hehe!

sir max, cguro if you have the patience, it would pay off to visit the luthier, sabi nga "patience are in the hospital"...di po ba doc farseer! :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 02, 2007, 07:48:22 AM

sir max, cguro if you have the patience, it would pay off to visit the luthier, sabi nga "patience are in the hospital"...di po ba doc farseer! :-D

 :lol:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on October 02, 2007, 05:50:49 PM
weired na hindi marunong mag gitara yun luthier (hindi ko to alam when we started the project, masama mag assume :-D)... i was very patient w/ him, nadoble nga yun time table na sinabi niya... i was also clear in giving instructions... ayaw pa nga gumamit ng spruce for bracing, pinilit ko pa.... in the end i sold it for 35% of what i paid for... crude yun pagkakagawa :cry: :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 02, 2007, 06:03:17 PM
weired na hindi marunong mag gitara yun luthier

can u make something if you don't know how it works in the first place?  :?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: nicosci on October 02, 2007, 06:07:13 PM
I definitely like small acoustic guitars because they're comfortable and sexy. Im talking about the OOO size. Im not sure if theres any difference w/ OM's I just got my first OOO guitar. You probably know this one.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on October 02, 2007, 06:42:25 PM
can u make something if you don't know how it works in the first place?  :?

si leo fender di rin ata marunong mag gitara... but if i had known that he doesnt know how to play- hindi ako papagawa... :oops:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on October 02, 2007, 07:09:29 PM
I definitely like small acoustic guitars because they're comfortable and sexy. Im talking about the OOO size. Im not sure if theres any difference w/ OM's I just got my first OOO guitar. You probably know this one.

old versions of om and 000 have different scale length and nut width... (om vs 000, 25.4 vs 24.9 and 1 and 3/4 vs 1 and 11/16 :-) an exception is the john mayer om guitar w.c has has 1 11/16 nut width :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on October 02, 2007, 11:58:05 PM
i love the neck on those Clapton and Mayer guitars but I could never get myself to get one because I actually prefer the sound of guitars with bigger bodies.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: PRSMan on October 03, 2007, 12:10:51 AM
Interesting story.  While I fully support Pinoy luthiers, kung 3+ times mo kailangan paulit yung pinapagawa mo, eh hindi "patience lang" ang tawag dun.  May problema na ang luthier niyan.  Bakit nageexperiment ang luthier?  Kaya ka nga pumupunta sa kanya para sabihin niya kung ano ang kailangan mo based on his expertise. 
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on October 03, 2007, 03:33:07 AM
Interesting story.  While I fully support Pinoy luthiers, kung 3+ times month kailangan paulit yung pinapagawa month, eh hindi "patience lang" ang tawag dun.  May problema na ang luthier niyan.  Bakit nageexperiment ang luthier?  Kaya ka nga pumupunta sa kanya para sabihin niya kung ano ang kailangan mo based on his expertise. 

I agree and, actually, that is part of the reason why I am hesitant to get a guitar made by a hometown boy that is still in the process of experimenting to find their "sound." The reason I am paying money for a custom luthier is because I know the man (or woman) knows their guitar work and has confidence in their craftsmanship.

I am having something done by luthier Andrew White but not before doing a lot of research of my own and actually meeting him to discuss guitars and try out some of his current work.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 03, 2007, 02:37:12 PM

I am having something done by luthier Andrew White but not before doing a lot of research of my own and actually meeting him to discuss guitars and try out some of his current work.

better safe than sorry.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on October 03, 2007, 03:33:27 PM
better safe than sorry.  :-D
definitely. i hate plunking down money for anything without having tried it personally and put it through its paces. I can't say i've ever bought a piece of gear on faith alone so this was something I had to do just to be on the safe side. Andrew is great and he even shipped back (to his shop) a guitar from Ohio that had the same wood choices I wanted in my guitar just so I could try the thing out. Amazing work.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 03, 2007, 03:45:31 PM
definitely. i hate plunking down money for anything without having tried it personally and put it through its paces. I can't say i've ever bought a piece of gear on faith alone so this was something I had to do just to be on the safe side. Andrew is great and he even shipped back (to his shop) a guitar from Ohio that had the same wood choices I wanted in my guitar just so I could try the thing out. Amazing work.

when will the piece be finished?  i'm guessing it's a jumbo.  :-)  is it at par with the Guilds and Martins?  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on October 03, 2007, 04:59:37 PM
when will the piece be finished?  i'm guessing it's a jumbo.  :-)  is it at par with the Guilds and Martins?  :-)

prolly sometime in November. It'll sound mellow since I chose cedar and mahogany. You can get a good sense of what an Andrew White F4 sounds like on this clip of Andy McKee - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mYm4FhGauA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mYm4FhGauA). The F4 was the largest body Andrew offered so I got that. It is a bit smaller than the largest Guild and it sounds mellower, I think. I really love the sound of my all-mahogany Alvarez Yairi and I wanted something with the same tone only a bit brighter. I figured that the cedar top would do the trick. Moreover, I am fingerpicker so I needed something that could be as equally friendly to fingerpicking, picking and hybrid picking styles.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 03, 2007, 05:12:12 PM
prolly sometime in November. It'll sound mellow since I chose cedar and mahogany. You can get a good sense of what an Andrew White F4 sounds like on this clip of Andy McKee - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mYm4FhGauA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mYm4FhGauA). The F4 was the largest body Andrew offered so I got that. It is a bit smaller than the largest Guild and it sounds mellower, I think. I really love the sound of my all-mahogany Alvarez Yairi and I wanted something with the same tone only a bit brighter. I figured that the cedar top would do the trick. Moreover, I am fingerpicker so I needed something that could be as equally friendly to fingerpicking, picking and hybrid picking styles.

cedar + mahogany = warm and punchy tone.  did i get it right?  :-D

if u wanted more brightness, why not try a spruce top?  :-)

all my knowledge about guitar woods came from this thread..hehehe!  :lol:

we play the same style actually..fingerpicking and picking hybrids.  i have andy mckee's mp3s and vids.  onehelluva guitarist..VERY percussive.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on October 03, 2007, 06:10:29 PM
prolly sometime in November. It'll sound mellow since I chose cedar and mahogany. You can get a good sense of what an Andrew White F4 sounds like on this clip of Andy McKee - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mYm4FhGauA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mYm4FhGauA). The F4 was the largest body Andrew offered so I got that. It is a bit smaller than the largest Guild and it sounds mellower, I think. I really love the sound of my all-mahogany Alvarez Yairi and I wanted something with the same tone only a bit brighter. I figured that the cedar top would do the trick. Moreover, I am fingerpicker so I needed something that could be as equally friendly to fingerpicking, picking and hybrid picking styles.

i fell in love w/ a lowden O12, lapit diyan yun specs... a bit bigger maybe... hope everything turns out fine...  mahal ba pacustom sa kanya
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on October 04, 2007, 02:50:50 AM
cedar + mahogany = warm and punchy tone.  did i get it right?  :-D

if u wanted more brightness, why not try a spruce top?  :-)

all my knowledge about guitar woods came from this thread..hehehe!  :lol:


the guitar i played sounded warm and punchy to me but remember that what sounds one way to one player may end up sounding quite different to another. I've played a few taylor's with rosewood and spruce wood and they didn't have as much of a mellow tone as I wanted so I knew wanted something mellower, bassier and not as bright (i guess). I played a red cedar+mahogany guitar that andrew had on hand so I based my choice around that to keep a firm idea of what my final guitar would sound like. i thought the cedar and mahogany had a good combination going and I really liked how it worked with the songs I played on it. There was one thing that I noticed with Andrew's guitars - the volume was amazing for an unplugged instrument and having talked to Andy McKee about his Andrew White jumbo - I was told to expect this. I dunno how Andrew designs his guitars or what he does to make them sound the way they do but I was sold on his workmanship and product.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on October 04, 2007, 10:50:42 PM
read your pm.. his starting price is relatively ok for a custom guitar... wala ka nagustuhan among the off the rack guitars you tested... lalo na pag 2nd hand, it will be cheaper... you can get two pa nga for the moolah your gonna spend... kahit collings  or goodall wala ka nagustuhan :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on October 05, 2007, 01:35:30 AM
read your pm.. his starting price is relatively ok for a custom guitar... wala ka nagustuhan among the off the rack guitars you tested... lalo na pag 2nd hand, it will be cheaper... you can get two pa nga for the moolah your gonna spend... kahit collings  or goodall wala ka nagustuhan :-)

yeah. i would have loved to try out more collings and goodall guitars but the stores only had one or two to try of the goodall and one collings. even then, they weren't the larger bodied ones that I was kinda looking for...i know they have some boutique type acoustic stores in the east coast somewhere but going to those would require driving out of my way just to try a guitar. i am not too jazzed up about driving 300+ miles just to try out a guitar:( with the cost of gas nowadays, i'd rather use the money towards the guitar!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on October 05, 2007, 11:01:21 AM
I would like to add another strap button sana.
Who among you all have tried to screw one more button?
Does anybody know where is the best location to install it?

Thanks.

 :-)


Many makers today install on the underside (facing down towards one's lap) of the heel (the part of the neck that joins the guitar body side, looks like a woman's shoe heel ergo...heel). Bore a pilot hole a bit smaller than the strap screw 1/2" away from the body and 1-1/2" away from the lower edge (binding) of the fingerboard.

Make sure that you drill tanget to the spot where you will puncture the 'heel'.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on October 05, 2007, 11:07:18 AM
dagdag ko lang igan, baka lang na miss nyo 'tong info...yes, gauge 11's are quite rare. ang madalas na meron nyan is or are audiophile stores.  they carry GHS strings and normally they have gauge 11's.

unfortunately, eto mga nakaraang buwan ang hirap din makakuha. try mo lang baka meron na sila.

I have a few sets of unbranded and also John Pearce of 0.11 (Extra Lights). I can sell you a set or two. Note though that the composition of the individual strings amongst various makers/brands may vary in guage. These differences in using varied guage combinations produce tonal differences for varied purposes of playing & music - fingerpickeing solos, strumming, bluegrass etc.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Poundcake on October 05, 2007, 11:14:00 AM
Hi guys, commercial break muna.. I'm here in Las Vegas now and I'm gonna look for good acoustic DIs for my HD-28 tomorrow. Which ones can you recommend? I have a $200-250 budget because I'm planning to buy an Anderson Classic (if my budget computations are correct). The L.R. Baggs Para DI sounds good but I want to have a hotlist of DIs to choose from off the bat because I don't want to spend several hours just looking for a DI.

Thanks a lot, guys!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on October 05, 2007, 12:04:33 PM
if you can, I love Demeter tube DIs and have used one for a long time. I used one live and in the studio for years before having a choice in my Fishman Aura which I use just as much these days for acoustic shows. The Demeter works well with acoustic, guitar and bass.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 05, 2007, 08:54:24 PM
I have a few sets of unbranded and also John Pearce of 0.11 (Extra Lights). I can sell you a set or two. Note though that the composition of the individual strings amongst various makers/brands may vary in guage. These differences in using varied guage combinations produce tonal differences for varied purposes of playing & music - fingerpickeing solos, strumming, bluegrass etc.

Da return! :lol:

how was ur trip sir GGBR?  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 05, 2007, 08:58:48 PM
Hi guys, commercial break muna.. I'm here in Las Vegas now and I'm gonna look for good acoustic DIs for my HD-28 tomorrow. Which ones can you recommend? I have a $200-250 budget because I'm planning to buy an Anderson Classic (if my budget computations are correct). The L.R. Baggs Para DI sounds good but I want to have a hotlist of DIs to choose from off the bat because I don't want to spend several hours just looking for a DI.

Thanks a lot, guys!

sir Pouncake, sir GGBR, Doc and I had a discussion about acoustic DIs in the previous posts.  maybe you would want to check those posts out.  very informative stuff from very knowledgeable individuals.  :-)

in a nutshell, they recommended Mama Bear, LR Baggs Para Acoustic DI, and Fishman Aura.  the most affordable will be the Baggs..but with your budget, i think you should get the Mama Bear.   :-)

this is all based on their posts sir Poundcake..no first hand experience in handling those stuff.   :-D

hope this helped though. :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Poundcake on October 05, 2007, 09:12:35 PM
Thanks thanks :)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: gijira on October 06, 2007, 12:06:04 AM
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cedar + mahogany = warm and punchy tone.  did i get it right?  :-D

if u wanted more brightness, why not try a spruce top?  :-)

all my knowledge about guitar woods came from this thread..hehehe!  :lol:

we play the same style actually..fingerpicking and picking hybrids.  i have andy mckee's mp3s and vids.  onehelluva guitarist..VERY percussive.  :-D

boss, i think selection of wood could determine the sound of the guitar.. to some extent. marami kasing variables eg. thickness of wood, bracing, finish, even yung glue.

isa sa malaki ang  contribution sa sound is the bracing, kaya yun nga ang pinag ukulan namin ng maraming experimenting ng luthier natin. i think isa ho iyon sa gusto ko sa luthier na you can discuss with yung specs mo pagka meron ka something in mind talaga. of course its not for everybody, just like the smallman classical guitar is not for everybody. he experimented kasi sobra sa bracing, very radical in his time. he veered away from the tried and tested torres fan bracing which only slightly modified by fleta, hauser and romanillos yata. but in the end na attain nya ang unamplified volume na di pa naachieve before. medyo ayaw ng iba at wala ang percussive sound ng fleta, but then again who could say that to john williams ng palitan nya dati nyang fleta with smallman, but not after few smallmans he rejected, nakita nya yung gusto nyang sound sa huli.

the moral, you can never say what would be the result pag pacustom. all your knowledge about wood, bracing, etc. would give you a good chance of getting the sound you are aiming pero dont expect too much na spot on ang tunog kase hangang ngayon di pa exact science ang accoustics ng gitara. if you are not that adventurous, you can get ready made guitars (taylor, martin); slightly adventurous, yung mga non traditional (breedlove, klein); if your whack like me then experiment with your own design and let someone do it for you, sinubukan kokase mag aral pagawa gitara, mahirap pala :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 06, 2007, 12:12:42 AM
boss, i think selection of wood could determine the sound of the guitar.. to some extent. marami kasing variables eg. thickness of wood, bracing, finish, even yung glue.


what i said was just the general rule about the sounds specific types of wood produce...i know that's not the only factor in determining the sound of the guitar.  :-)

honestly, i don't own an all-wood acoustic.  i have an ovation and it's been doing the job for me for about 3yrs.  the reason why i'm studying the types of all-wood guitars is because i'm planning to buy my first in the near future..and i want it to be close to perfect.   :-D

thanks for the inputs bro!  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on October 06, 2007, 01:42:59 AM
boss, i think selection of wood could determine the sound of the guitar.. to some extent. marami kasing variables eg. thickness of wood, bracing, finish, even yung glue.

isa sa malaki ang  contribution sa sound is the bracing, kaya yun nga ang pinag ukulan namin ng maraming experimenting ng luthier natin. i think isa ho iyon sa gusto ko sa luthier na you can discuss with yung specs mo pagka meron ka something in mind talaga. of course its not for everybody, just like the smallman classical guitar is not for everybody. he experimented kasi sobra sa bracing, very radical in his time. he veered away from the tried and tested torres fan bracing which only slightly modified by fleta, hauser and romanillos yata. but in the end na attain nya ang unamplified volume na di pa naachieve before. medyo ayaw ng iba at wala ang percussive sound ng fleta, but then again who could say that to john williams ng palitan nya dati nyang fleta with smallman, but not after few smallmans he rejected, nakita nya yung gusto nyang sound sa huli.

the moral, you can never say what would be the result pag pacustom. all your knowledge about wood, bracing, etc. would give you a good chance of getting the sound you are aiming pero dont expect too much na spot on ang tunog kase hangang ngayon di pa exact science ang accoustics ng gitara. if you are not that adventurous, you can get ready made guitars (taylor, martin); slightly adventurous, yung mga non traditional (breedlove, klein); if your whack like me then experiment with your own design and let someone do it for you, sinubukan kokase mag aral pagawa gitara, mahirap pala :-D

...which is why I played a similar instrument with similar specs and based the changes around that. Good point though...a lot of factors come into play when making an acoustic and I never buy guitars based on faith. Ever. I need to hear the guitar, play it, feel it under my fingers and see what was done to make the instrument. I even smell the inside of the soundhole to tell how well a piece of wood has been cured and dried.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on October 06, 2007, 02:55:49 PM
Da return! :lol:

how was ur trip sir GGBR?  :-D

AM not yet back. I posted response to your post in the other thread....
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dmole on October 06, 2007, 04:44:26 PM

ganda ng thread na ito! hehehe nasa page 7 pa lang ako eh.

any Takamine users here? share your experience naman. I have my first electric acoustic Takamine G series EG10SC so far nagandahan naman ako sa tunog nya.. though di ko pa na try yung Martin, Taylor etc.

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 06, 2007, 04:48:31 PM
AM not yet back. I posted response to your post in the other thread....

i already replied in the other thread!  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 06, 2007, 04:53:47 PM
ganda ng thread na ito! hehehe nasa page 7 pa lang ako eh.

any Takamine users here? share your experience naman. I have my first electric acoustic Takamine G series EG10SC so far nagandahan naman ako sa tunog nya.. though di ko pa na try yung Martin, Taylor etc.



ano specs ng takamine mo bro?  wala pa kong experience sa all-woods eh.  ovation kasi gitara ko ngayon.  planning to buy my 1st all-wood in the near future.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 06, 2007, 05:20:39 PM

The distorting string thru the amp is a loose fit underneath that particular string. Is that a UST (under the saddle trand). Or possibly imbalanced string(s') pressure on the UST. Try depressing on that area when playing amplified.....need to run offf to dinner now....

Doc, this is the reply i got from sir GGBR about the distorting string in my guitar when amplified.  i figured he's busy there in Korea so i'll bring this up with you.  :-)

in a nutshell, what's the UST and where is it in the guitar?  any other possible remedies?  i'm too busy right now to go to audiophile main.  in fact, nasa office nga ako ngayon. hehehe!  :|
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on October 06, 2007, 09:43:34 PM
Max, to continue.....

(UST) Under the saddle means literally under the saddle. The saddle is the white piece of plastic (or bone in high end guitars) where your six strings rest on the bridge slot, which in turn is 'pegged' onto and sandwiched (with a bridge plate) glued to your guitar face (soundboard). This saddle is the point of contact that transmits the vibrant energy to the soundboard to produce audible energy in the form of sound.

Loosen your strings, carefully lift up (or use tweezers) to pluck out the saddle from the bridge-slot. You will reveal the transducer element (UST) which is seated in that bridge slot. (BE CAREFL IN HANDLING) This transducer which is more often piezo crytals encased in a very narrow rectagular/round capsule usually 1/8" or 3/32" wide. The piezo element has to 'sit' well in the slot and  has to be in full contact with your saddle so that all string vibrations are passed on from the saddle to the piezo element then to the bridge then to the soundboard then resonance within the body to produce the guitar sound. 

If there is a gap between the saddle and piezo transducer, then you wil encounter a drop in transmitted energy (weak sound) or worse- a rattle that may be amplified as a distortion. Remember that a micro-gap in a minute pick-up point of view is already an 'earthquake' hence---possibly the distortion.

Check, this could be the culprit. Other causes may exist.

PS- be sure to return the saddle in the same orientation!!!! Their is compensation along the entire width (lenght) of the saddle for each string.
 
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 06, 2007, 09:51:00 PM
Max, to continue.....

(UST) Under the saddle means literally under the saddle. The saddle is the white piece of plastic (or bone in high end guitars) where your six strings rest on the bridge slot, which in turn is 'pegged' onto and sandwiched (with a bridge plate) glued to your guitar face (soundboard). This saddle is the point of contact that transmits the vibrant energy to the soundboard to produce audible energy in the form of sound.

Loosen your strings, carefully lift up (or use tweezers) to pluck out the saddle from the bridge-slot. You will reveal the transducer element (UST) which is seated in that bridge slot. (BE CAREFL IN HANDLING) This transducer which is more often piezo crytals encased in a very narrow rectagular/round capsule usually 1/8" or 3/32" wide. The piezo element has to 'sit' well in the slot and  has to be in full contact with your saddle so that all string vibrations are passed on from the saddle to the piezo element then to the bridge then to the soundboard then resonance within the body to produce the guitar sound. 

If there is a gap between the saddle and piezo transducer, then you wil encounter a drop in transmitted energy (weak sound) or worse- a rattle that may be amplified as a distortion. Remember that a micro-gap in a minute pick-up point of view is already an 'earthquake' hence---possibly the distortion.

Check, this could be the culprit. Other causes may exist.

PS- be sure to return the saddle in the same orientation!!!! Their is compensation along the entire width (lenght) of the saddle for each string.
 

hmmmm..thanks for this sir GGBR!  :-)

i think i'll just bring my guitar to audiophile (kay mang bert ba yun sabi ni Doc?).  my hands are not that careful when handling the delicate stuff...might let someone experienced to check it!  thanks for the info though...actually there was a time when the distortion turned off...totally nawala sya during the 2nd set in one of my gigs.  pero buong 1st set andun sya.  so i thought it was because of the house speakers.  tpos when i tested it here sa bahay, present tlga ung distortion..so i realized na the problem is with my guitar.  :|

maybe this is one of those signs that i need to get a new guitar! hahahaha!   :evil:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dmole on October 06, 2007, 11:41:05 PM
ano specs ng takamine mo bro?  wala pa kong experience sa all-woods eh.  ovation kasi gitara ko ngayon.  planning to buy my 1st all-wood in the near future.

pare eto ang specs at pic nung gitara.

http://www.guitartrader.com/bigimage.icl?pid=31842&orderidentifier=&srcdoc=itempg%2Eicl%3Forderidentifier%3D%26secid%3D%26eflag%3D0%26numitems%3D0%26curitempos%3D%26dirpage%3Ddir2%26itmid%3D31842%26subsecid%3D (http://www.guitartrader.com/bigimage.icl?pid=31842&orderidentifier=&srcdoc=itempg%2Eicl%3Forderidentifier%3D%26secid%3D%26eflag%3D0%26numitems%3D0%26curitempos%3D%26dirpage%3Ddir2%26itmid%3D31842%26subsecid%3D)


Check out the EG10 from Takamine. A mid priced guitar with professional features and a professinal sound. Boasting a solid cedar top and a cutaway design for extended playability.

Features:

• Solid cedar top

• Sapele back & sides (back is solid)

• mahogany neck w/20 fret rosewood fretboard (no inlays)

• rosewood pinless bridge

• gold tuning machines w/amber pearloid buttons

• 25 1/2" scale length

• 1 11/16" nut width

• Takamine electronics

• natural satin finish.





Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 07, 2007, 12:07:05 AM
ganda ng gitara mo bro!  :-)  abroad mo ba nabili?  nakakaasar lang kasi d2 sa pinas limited ung options natin for good acoustic guitars...hehehe!   :-D

Takamine is a recognized brand naman pagdating sa acoustics eh...so i'm sure ur guitar sounds really great!   :-D

hay grabe...parang ako nalang ata ang acoustic guitarist na ndi naka-all wood. hehehehe!   :lol:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dmole on October 07, 2007, 12:55:58 AM

yap dito ko sa cali nabili, di ko kaya bumili dyan sa atin pre.. hehehe.. tama ka ganda nga tunog.

natry ko muna yung jasmine ng takamine.. solve na ako sa tunog ganda rin, pero nung try ko yung takamine talaga nagisip ako hanap ako ng takamine na mismo.. nag ebay lang ako pre.. well worth it nakatsamba ng halos brand new alang gasgas.

sana lang kasing gagaling nyo ako mag-gitara para maging worth it naman itong guitar hehehe
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 07, 2007, 02:59:14 PM
yap dito ko sa cali nabili, di ko kaya bumili dyan sa atin pre.. hehehe.. tama ka ganda nga tunog.

natry ko muna yung jasmine ng takamine.. solve na ako sa tunog ganda rin, pero nung try ko yung takamine talaga nagisip ako hanap ako ng takamine na mismo.. nag ebay lang ako pre.. well worth it nakatsamba ng halos brand new alang gasgas.

sana lang kasing gagaling nyo ako mag-gitara para maging worth it naman itong guitar hehehe

maganda ata ang jasmine nylon acoustics...may napakinggan na ko na nylon jasmine ang ganda ng tunog...sakto for bossa songs.  :-)

i think you're worth the guitar u got bro...guitarists who KNOW the good brands are usually those who DESERVE the brands...  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dmole on October 07, 2007, 11:38:29 PM

yup I agree pre, kung wala akong nakitang Takamine talaga, yun ang 2nd option ko yung Jasmine dahil maganda rin sya tumunog.

From what I've learned dun sa isang music shop, nag try daw syang mag carry ng ibang brands ng guitar pero sablay daw at Takamine daw talaga ang gusto ng mga tao... at sabi nya malaking group of companies daw ang Takamine kaya di raw ito basta basta. Kaya na convince din ako na it's a good guitar brand though mas maraming better na high end which I can't afford right now hehe
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on October 08, 2007, 02:53:55 PM
Anybody own or have tried the the Line 6 Variax Acoustic 700?
http://line6.com/variaxacoustic/sounds.html

Gosh, I'm GASing for it big-time.  This will solve many problems for me:
- no need to bring several guitars/banjos to the gig (no downtime to switch guitars)
- no need to buy and put pickups in all my guitars
- no need to retune several times during the gig (or sequence songs accdg to tuning)
- no need to capo / or tune down
- no feedback

What would be the disadvantages of this guitar?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: markv on October 08, 2007, 03:15:21 PM
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True Acoustic Tone:
I've written many letters about True Acoustic Tone's juvenile declamations. Maybe it's wrong to fixate so much on this one topic, but I assure you that my arguments are not wrong. Let me start by stressing that I am not attempting to suppress anyone's opinions, nor do I intend to demean True Acoustic Tone personally for its beliefs or worldviews. But I do assert that I must confront and reject all manifestations of solecism.

I'll talk about that another time. I have other, more important, things to discuss now. For starters, True Acoustic Tone's claim that we should avoid personal responsibility is factually unsupported and politically motivated. I don't get it: Why doesn't True Acoustic Tone reveal the truth about itself? I mean, eventually, True Acoustic Tone will turn its back on those who need it the most. Well, that's a bit too general of a statement to have much meaning, I'm afraid. So let me instead explain my point as follows: If it were up to True Acoustic Tone, schoolchildren would be taught reading, 'riting, and racism.

I have a soft spot for dour morons of various stripes: a bog not too far from here. The last time I told True Acoustic Tone's brethren that I want to fight to the end for our ideas and ideals, they declared in response, "But True Acoustic Tone is a refined organization with the soundest ethics and morals you can imagine." Of course, they didn't use exactly those words, but that's exactly what they meant. True Acoustic Tone is not just domineering. It is unbelievably, astronomically domineering. Let me end this letter by pointing out that the battle to give parents the means to protect their children is now joined on many fronts. We will not waver; we will not tire; we will not falter; and, we will not fail.

 :lol: http://www.pakin.org/complaint (http://www.pakin.org/complaint)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: gijira on October 08, 2007, 11:48:24 PM
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...which is why I played a similar instrument with similar specs and based the changes around that. Good point though...a lot of factors come into play when making an acoustic and I never buy guitars based on faith. Ever. I need to hear the guitar, play it, feel it under my fingers and see what was done to make the instrument. I even smell the inside of the soundhole to tell how well a piece of wood has been cured and dried.

...and i thought i was the only one doing that! wow thanks very much bosing for letting me know na hindi ako pinaglihi sa aso tulad ng sabi ng kuya ko dahil inaamoy ko ang loob ng gitara. i just love the scent of wood, especially cedar and spruce. unless pinaglihi ka talaga sa aso, which will prove my brother twice right :-D

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I've written many letters about True Acoustic Tone's juvenile declamations. Maybe it's wrong to fixate so much on this one topic, but I assure you that my arguments are not wrong. Let me start by stressing that I am not attempting to suppress anyone's opinions, nor do I intend to demean True Acoustic Tone personally for its beliefs or worldviews. But I do assert that I must confront and reject all manifestations of solecism.

I'll talk about that another time. I have other, more important, things to discuss now. For starters, True Acoustic Tone's claim that we should avoid personal responsibility is factually unsupported and politically motivated. I don't get it: Why doesn't True Acoustic Tone reveal the truth about itself? I mean, eventually, True Acoustic Tone will turn its back on those who need it the most. Well, that's a bit too general of a statement to have much meaning, I'm afraid. So let me instead explain my point as follows: If it were up to True Acoustic Tone, schoolchildren would be taught reading, 'riting, and racism.

I have a soft spot for dour morons of various stripes: a bog not too far from here. The last time I told True Acoustic Tone's brethren that I want to fight to the end for our ideas and ideals, they declared in response, "But True Acoustic Tone is a refined organization with the soundest ethics and morals you can imagine." Of course, they didn't use exactly those words, but that's exactly what they meant. True Acoustic Tone is not just domineering. It is unbelievably, astronomically domineering. Let me end this letter by pointing out that the battle to give parents the means to protect their children is now joined on many fronts. We will not waver; we will not tire; we will not falter; and, we will not fail.

 :lol: http://www.pakin.org/complaint (http://www.pakin.org/complaint)

i need a thesaurus :?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 11, 2007, 11:55:50 PM
I've written many letters about True Acoustic Tone's juvenile declamations. Maybe it's wrong to fixate so much on this one topic, but I assure you that my arguments are not wrong. Let me start by stressing that I am not attempting to suppress anyone's opinions, nor do I intend to demean True Acoustic Tone personally for its beliefs or worldviews. But I do assert that I must confront and reject all manifestations of solecism.

I'll talk about that another time. I have other, more important, things to discuss now. For starters, True Acoustic Tone's claim that we should avoid personal responsibility is factually unsupported and politically motivated. I don't get it: Why doesn't True Acoustic Tone reveal the truth about itself? I mean, eventually, True Acoustic Tone will turn its back on those who need it the most. Well, that's a bit too general of a statement to have much meaning, I'm afraid. So let me instead explain my point as follows: If it were up to True Acoustic Tone, schoolchildren would be taught reading, 'riting, and racism.

I have a soft spot for dour morons of various stripes: a bog not too far from here. The last time I told True Acoustic Tone's brethren that I want to fight to the end for our ideas and ideals, they declared in response, "But True Acoustic Tone is a refined organization with the soundest ethics and morals you can imagine." Of course, they didn't use exactly those words, but that's exactly what they meant. True Acoustic Tone is not just domineering. It is unbelievably, astronomically domineering. Let me end this letter by pointing out that the battle to give parents the means to protect their children is now joined on many fronts. We will not waver; we will not tire; we will not falter; and, we will not fail.

 :lol: http://www.pakin.org/complaint (http://www.pakin.org/complaint)

 :lol:

is this genuine?   :lol:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 12, 2007, 12:01:00 AM
Anybody own or have tried the the Line 6 Variax Acoustic 700?
http://line6.com/variaxacoustic/sounds.html

Gosh, I'm GASing for it big-time.  This will solve many problems for me:
- no need to bring several guitars/banjos to the gig (no downtime to switch guitars)
- no need to buy and put pickups in all my guitars
- no need to retune several times during the gig (or sequence songs accdg to tuning)
- no need to capo / or tune down
- no feedback

What would be the disadvantages of this guitar?


sir deltaslim, i think nyoy volante owns a variax 700.  it sounds really good when plugged.  :-D  i've been GASing for one too kaya lng masyado mahal sa yupangco.  hehehe!

i don't know any disadvantages of this guitar since it has good modeling schemes.  i'm just thinking how will it sound if UNplugged?  baka mejo manipis po ang tunog since very thin ung body.  not really sure.

i have another question on this.  does the variax 700, being a line 6 guitar, only works on line 6 equipment (amps, effects, etc)?   :?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 13, 2007, 12:57:58 AM
visited perfect pitch park square and chanced upon a Variax Acoustic 300.  i didn't plug it in though...according to the people there, it can be played on a normal PA system.  :-)  i don't know if Variax 300 is comparable to the Variax 700 though...  :-D  i think they have the 700 in yupangco main.  maybe i'll check it out this morning.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on October 13, 2007, 02:20:53 AM
I've written many letters about True Acoustic Tone's juvenile declamations. Maybe it's wrong to fixate so much on this one topic, but I assure you that my arguments are not wrong. Let me start by stressing that I am not attempting to suppress anyone's opinions, nor do I intend to demean True Acoustic Tone personally for its beliefs or worldviews. But I do assert that I must confront and reject all manifestations of solecism.

I'll talk about that another time. I have other, more important, things to discuss now. For starters, True Acoustic Tone's claim that we should avoid personal responsibility is factually unsupported and politically motivated. I don't get it: Why doesn't True Acoustic Tone reveal the truth about itself? I mean, eventually, True Acoustic Tone will turn its back on those who need it the most. Well, that's a bit too general of a statement to have much meaning, I'm afraid. So let me instead explain my point as follows: If it were up to True Acoustic Tone, schoolchildren would be taught reading, 'riting, and racism.

I have a soft spot for dour morons of various stripes: a bog not too far from here. The last time I told True Acoustic Tone's brethren that I want to fight to the end for our ideas and ideals, they declared in response, "But True Acoustic Tone is a refined organization with the soundest ethics and morals you can imagine." Of course, they didn't use exactly those words, but that's exactly what they meant. True Acoustic Tone is not just domineering. It is unbelievably, astronomically domineering. Let me end this letter by pointing out that the battle to give parents the means to protect their children is now joined on many fronts. We will not waver; we will not tire; we will not falter; and, we will not fail.

 :lol: http://www.pakin.org/complaint (http://www.pakin.org/complaint)

what the...sounds like someone got way too emo.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on October 13, 2007, 02:23:00 AM
Anybody own or have tried the the Line 6 Variax Acoustic 700?
http://line6.com/variaxacoustic/sounds.html

Gosh, I'm GASing for it big-time.  This will solve many problems for me:
- no need to bring several guitars/banjos to the gig (no downtime to switch guitars)
- no need to buy and put pickups in all my guitars
- no need to retune several times during the gig (or sequence songs accdg to tuning)
- no need to capo / or tune down
- no feedback

What would be the disadvantages of this guitar?



i dont have the variax guitar but i do have a variax bass. the thing works well and gets the job done nicely. i really dig the upright sound.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 13, 2007, 10:16:16 AM
what the...sounds like someone got way too emo.

 :lol:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on October 13, 2007, 07:14:25 PM
any opinions on breedlove c25 myrtlewood body... i have no experience w/ this kind 0f tone wood :-)

sure looks gorgeous though :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 14, 2007, 01:03:43 AM
any opinions on breedlove c25 myrtlewood body... i have no experience w/ this kind 0f tone wood :-)

sure looks gorgeous though :-D

looks good doc...i know it will be a great addition to your collection.  :-D

maybe sir GGBR knows about the myrtlewood body.  konti lng naman ang forumers na mas mraming experience sa inyong dalawa eh.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: nellAllen on October 23, 2007, 12:51:32 PM
hey sino nagbebenta ng d'addario strings for ovation?

mura daw dito sabi ng kaibigan ko e,haha
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on October 24, 2007, 09:13:55 PM
looks good doc...i know it will be a great addition to your collection.  :-D

maybe sir GGBR knows about the myrtlewood body.  konti lng naman ang forumers na mas mraming experience sa inyong dalawa eh.  :-D

I didnt get the breedlove c25 myrtlewood... gand ng hitsura, super payat ang tunog... sound is very close to maple, even the falme and quilt patterns...

got this instead

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2234/1728549046_ea4e575718.jpg?v=1193230985)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on October 24, 2007, 09:19:53 PM
hey sino nagbebenta ng d'addario strings for ovation?

mura daw dito sabi ng kaibigan ko e,haha

txt me at 09175260077... i have some spare d' add strings
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 26, 2007, 10:31:29 PM
I didnt get the breedlove c25 myrtlewood... gand ng hitsura, super payat ang tunog... sound is very close to maple, even the falme and quilt patterns...

got this instead

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2234/1728549046_ea4e575718.jpg?v=1193230985)

nice doc!  what's the brand?  and natuloy ka ba sa hongkong?   :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 26, 2007, 10:46:59 PM
hey sino nagbebenta ng d'addario strings for ovation?

mura daw dito sabi ng kaibigan ko e,haha

good choice bro.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on October 26, 2007, 11:08:34 PM
nice doc!  what's the brand?  and natuloy ka ba sa hongkong?   :-D

natuloy ako... larrivee d50, d18v specs w/ better appointments... martin like tone, plus few hundred bucks cheaper :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on October 26, 2007, 11:14:13 PM
some more pix of the d50....

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2379/1727722367_4680cc7c79.jpg?v=1193231018)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2392/1728511890_446c882a00.jpg?v=1193231038)

herringbone trim, maple binding, abalone rosette, open back tuners.... eto yun traditional series nila
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on October 26, 2007, 11:17:06 PM
dami ko natest sa hongkong.... kahilo :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 26, 2007, 11:30:05 PM
dami ko natest sa hongkong.... kahilo :-D

sa tom lee ba doc?  swerte mo naman!  hehehe!  ano ung mga natest mo doc?  tska accommodating ba ung mga tao dun?  :-)

btw, my savings is building up.  i think i can afford a new guitar before christmas.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on October 27, 2007, 01:13:14 AM
sa tom lee ba doc?  swerte mo naman!  hehehe!  ano ung mga natest mo doc?  tska accommodating ba ung mga tao dun?  :-)

btw, my savings is building up.  i think i can afford a new guitar before christmas.  :-D

kung saan saan including tomlee... kakilala ko na mga tindero dun even before... sometimes may mga used silang pinapasa...
favorite guitar that ive tested... martin 00028vs, ganda ng tone, i was planning to get it, medyo mahal lang... kasama ko wife ko kaya di ko nabili :-D
i was also interested w/ the larrivee L09 but when compared w/ the D09, kinain yun L09... that particular D09 was the loudest among those that i tested, natempt akong bilhin, but i have a martin d41 na w/c is loud, boomy and woody at the same time....high end morgans costing 4k bucks were disappointing... the gibsons including custom shop brazillian models were just ok... same w/ the taylors... the lowdens were nice, but i have one n rin... kaya yun larrivee traditional d50 nalang, woody tone, mas clear sa rosewood counterpart... but if money is not an issue, id go for the high end martins all the way :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on October 27, 2007, 01:16:25 AM
let me know pag buo na budget no... source tayo ng magandang acoustic :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: xzero012 on October 27, 2007, 01:21:58 AM
I've had a friend (Ike Heredia, brother of Louie Heredia) who has been obssessed by this one topic of getting the "acoustic" out of the guitar when it comes to amplification.

Anyway, he was financially capable so he had Fishman gear for his Taylor. It was an internal mic and saddle and he had an external gear controlling those 2 signals. His guitar was a Steven Curtis Chapman Brazilian Rosewood back and side jumbo guitar. I don't have pictures but I've played it and it's really nice (should be because he had custom made).

Anyway, what I did was an external solution using 2 condenser microphones (Behringer C2's) on this guitar. It's a Cort 1200 - lovely inlay.

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/474491595_6b0067cf3b.jpg?v=0)
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/179/474491547_bb9c0c67bf.jpg?v=0)
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/177/474491421_0ac9ef1b1a.jpg?v=0)
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/202/474477846_adf8032719.jpg?v=0)
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/169/474491287_f0b50c95f7.jpg?v=0)

Here's a youtube link on how it sounded:

Youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY5kAI-CIa4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY5kAI-CIa4)

I did some compression and EQ'ing after recording of course. It's not perfect, but it does the job. I hope you guys like it.

My blog http://xzero012.blogspot.com (http://xzero012.blogspot.com)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on October 27, 2007, 01:34:28 AM
trade ko acoustics ko for skill and talent... nice playing :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: xzero012 on October 27, 2007, 01:54:26 AM
Thanks man. As I would candidly say it, "I'd like to do your acoustic". haha! I've been studying and making my own (not compositions but own covers) of acoustic guitar songs. I hope to make more videos soon.

I hope this would fair good for the "acoustic" sound you guys are discussing here.

Glad you enjoyed it.

My blog http://xzero012.blogspot.com (http://xzero012.blogspot.com)
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5356/xzero012bannertg3.png)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on October 27, 2007, 01:55:50 AM
yo neil! si peewee 'to, friend ni tim, bandmate nila magoo, from CCF. welcome to philmusic! hehe. ganda ng cort mo!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: xzero012 on October 27, 2007, 02:14:05 AM
Haha! of all places, dito pa tayo nagkita. hehehe. I was with them last sunday. Played electric then though with my trustee zoom 505.

My blog http://xzero012.blogspot.com (http://xzero012.blogspot.com)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 27, 2007, 08:32:44 AM

Anyway, what I did was an external solution using 2 condenser microphones (Behringer C2's) on this guitar. It's a Cort 1200 - lovely inlay.

Here's a youtube link on how it sounded:

Youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY5kAI-CIa4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY5kAI-CIa4)

I did some compression and EQ'ing after recording of course. It's not perfect, but it does the job. I hope you guys like it.


great rendition bro!   :-)

and great-sounding guitar too.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 27, 2007, 08:35:06 AM
let me know pag buo na budget no... source tayo ng magandang acoustic :-)

thanks doc!  :-)  sana mabuo tlga ung budget before christmas..para yun na ung gift ko sa sarili ko!  hehehe!   :-D

i think kung pupunta ako ng hongkong, iikutan ko din lahat ng mgagandang acoustics dun!  to broaden my sound horizons..  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on October 27, 2007, 09:40:50 AM
I didnt get the breedlove c25 myrtlewood... gand ng hitsura, super payat ang tunog... sound is very close to maple, even the falme and quilt patterns...

got this instead

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2234/1728549046_ea4e575718.jpg?v=1193230985)

Hi!

You definitely know how to buy!!!

You would have been disappointed with Breedlove based on my hearing your guitar(s)/preferences. Matigas ang Myrtle. You may want to check Claro Walnut even, it should be a good match (punch but with a woody feel) for Mahogany and I believe Maple.

The Breedloves in the 'inventory' here did not elicit any reaction from me. The action was not at all comfy as I had agreed with Edwin - one unit particularly was a cheap 'tryout' from China (or was it Korea) only $900++. I believe that the very reasonable prices of Larrivee are putting the Canadian brand into the American hands now.

The moving into China factories of many brands are waking up the US market because China can now sonically AND visually compete on a world-class basis. Check out "Pearl River" brands of musical instrument. They have employed    the best European technicians to train their factory workers.

I just arrived and found out that even Cort (Korea) had move their operations to China. Their former factory was just in the same city location where I stayed.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on October 27, 2007, 09:49:23 AM
By the way--

It may skip your attention BUT do check out composites. Unbelievable sound!!!

An Emerald is in the 'inventory'. You may want to try CA (Composite Acoustics).

With the prices and sound of composites, especially that construction is one piece, both body and neck. AND absolutely NO NECK movement. A gigging musician will find most of the features that he would be looking for in a composite.

YOu can leave it in the heat and won't budge. You can drop it and won;t get hurt. Vary your string guages without having to adjust any action. Rain or shine, neck remains unaffected. Has a big and very close to wood sound. Definitely better sounding than the "turtlebacks"!! \and light!!! without affecting the volume.

Computer aided designs definitely help.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 27, 2007, 09:59:00 AM
By the way--

It may skip your attention BUT do check out composites. Unbelievable sound!!!

An Emerald is in the 'inventory'. You may want to try CA (Composite Acoustics).

With the prices and sound of composites, especially that construction is one piece, both body and neck. AND absolutely NO NECK movement. A gigging musician will find most of the features that he would be looking for in a composite.

YOu can leave it in the heat and won't budge. You can drop it and won;t get hurt. Vary your string guages without having to adjust any action. Rain or shine, neck remains unaffected. Has a big and very close to wood sound. Definitely better sounding than the "turtlebacks"!! \and light!!! without affecting the volume.

Computer aided designs definitely help.

got this link from google.  :-D

http://compositeacoustics.com/advantage.html

looks promising sir GGBR.  but are they already available in Asia?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 27, 2007, 05:33:29 PM
just visited yupangco a while ago..i tried out the LINE 6 VARIAX ACOUSTIC 700 and i was impressed.  :-)

the acoustic models were very natural-sounding and the guitar has many features.  really fun to play.  :-D

kaya lng it's priced at 75K!!!!   :cry:

another guitar that caught my eye was the new Yamaha APX900.  solid spruce top, flamed maple back and sides.  and it has the new technology that Yamaha unveiled.  it has a separate pickup for bass and treble i think.   :-D it's priced at around 32K.

what do you think?  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on October 27, 2007, 10:48:46 PM
another guitar that caught my eye was the new Yamaha APX900.  solid spruce top, flamed maple back and sides.  and it has the new technology that Yamaha unveiled.  it has a separate pickup for bass and treble i think.   :-D it's priced at around 32K.

what do you think?  :-D

Hi! I was invited to the early afternoon private launch at Yupangco with the Japanese guitar player of Japan's Chocolate(?) group. He introed that new APX900 with his own sequenced pieces along with Yamaha's new lead guitar and their Les Paul styled unit. The sound of this APX is quite impressive even in an unplugged mode, airy, loud with a lot of overtones BUT NOTE: 1) already made in China AND 2) sides and back are ply (did you bother to check this???)

The APX brochure hardly (if at all) discussed any construction or materials-used features but focused on their new 3-point piezo pick-up system with emphasis on the triple round under-the-bridge pick ups (low/mid/hi). Main point of their round piezo pickups are the several layers of 'buffering' that supposedly minimizes/removes the piezo quarky-electronic character.

btw, in the Variax which we've had for already more than 3 years is hardly used because of the not-so-warm reception by the pro guitar players who've tried it along with its matching Line 6 modeling amp. The unit has a small rotary knob which allows you to choose in an instant from many modelling amps programs available FROM the spider amp. Connect to the modelling amp is via a CATV-like stiff digital cable. But does not work its modelling features with other amps!! impressive instantaneous features but.....sound.. :? This guitar lends its design more to facilty/flexibility.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 27, 2007, 11:43:25 PM
Hi! I was invited to the early afternoon private launch at Yupangco with the Japanese guitar player of Japan's Chocolate(?) group. He introed that new APX900 with his own sequenced pieces along with Yamaha's new lead guitar and their Les Paul styled unit. The sound of this APX is quite impressive even in an unplugged mode, airy, loud with a lot of overtones BUT NOTE: 1) already made in China AND 2) sides and back are ply (did you bother to check this???)

The APX brochure hardly (if at all) discussed any construction or materials-used features but focused on their new 3-point piezo pick-up system with emphasis on the triple round under-the-bridge pick ups (low/mid/hi). Main point of their round piezo pickups are the several layers of 'buffering' that supposedly minimizes/removes the piezo quarky-electronic character.

btw, in the Variax which we've had for already more than 3 years is hardly used because of the not-so-warm reception by the pro guitar players who've tried it along with its matching Line 6 modeling amp. The unit has a small rotary knob which allows you to choose in an instant from many modelling amps programs available FROM the spider amp. Connect to the modelling amp is via a CATV-like stiff digital cable. But does not work its modelling features with other amps!! impressive instantaneous features but.....sound.. :? This guitar lends its design more to facilty/flexibility.

i checked its composition sir GGBR.  i saw the composition of the APX900 in a piece of laminated paper tied to one of the tuning keys of the guitar.  it clearly said that the top is solid spruce and back and sides are flamed maple.  however, as i'm unexperienced with guitar wood, i really can't be sure.  i just relied on that piece of paper..  :?  i tried this guitar unplugged and i was surprised by the volume of its sound given its thin body.  however, i was a little doubtful because this had new strings on it.   :-D

as for the variax, it was plugged into a fender acoustic amp.  i agree that this guitar provides flexibility because of its rotary knob...but i agree that it somewhat lacked warmth.  maybe the reason why i was impressed was more on the flexibility of the guitar rather than its overall sound quality...

so...is the APX900 a good buy sir GGBR?  i haven't talked with Doc Farseer yet about this piece.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on October 28, 2007, 07:53:18 AM
i checked its composition sir GGBR.  i saw the composition of the APX900 in a piece of laminated paper tied to one of the tuning keys of the guitar.  it clearly said that the top is solid spruce and back and sides are flamed maple. 

so...is the APX900 a good buy sir GGBR?  i haven't talked with Doc Farseer yet about this piece.  :-)

Yes, the body and sides ARE flamed maple LAMINATED onto another kind of wood -- this is ply and not solid.  If I remember, this was more than 2 months ago, the price quoted was P42K. Check again.

As for your Variax, to get the various modeling sounds, you will need to plug into the Line 6 modelling amp. This way, the rotary labelled knob will work to switch to the various amp sounds.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 28, 2007, 08:48:22 AM
Yes, the body and sides ARE flamed maple LAMINATED onto another kind of wood -- this is ply and not solid.  If I remember, this was more than 2 months ago, the price quoted was P42K. Check again.

As for your Variax, to get the various modeling sounds, you will need to plug into the Line 6 modelling amp. This way, the rotary labelled knob will work to switch to the various amp sounds.

so looks like the Variax is out of the question...too expensive.   :-D

so it's laminated..what are the possible disadvantages of ply for body and sides sir GGBR?  i know that the top affects the guitar's sound the most...so how can laminated plywood for body and sides affect the overall sound?  :?

i'll visit yupangco again.  i believe they will have the Handog Sale starting Nov.10 and i'll recheck the price of the APX900.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on October 29, 2007, 10:04:31 AM
so it's laminated..what are the possible disadvantages of ply for body and sides sir GGBR?  i know that the top affects the guitar's sound the most...so how can laminated plywood for body and sides affect the overall sound?  :?

i'll visit yupangco again.  i believe they will have the Handog Sale starting Nov.10 and i'll recheck the price of the APX900.  :-)

Maxi! I may have wrong on the model (APX or CPX??) - I don;t remember. It's the model recently launched by the Japanese guitar player. Priced at P42K if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 29, 2007, 10:27:26 AM
Maxi! I may have wrong on the model (APX or CPX??) - I don;t remember. It's the model recently launched by the Japanese guitar player. Priced at P42K if I remember correctly.

as far as i know, they launched both models at the same time.  kasi both guitars use the same technology naman sa pickups.  i think yupangco is closed today.  :|

i know the CPX is the mini-jumbo.  the one that i tried is the APX.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 29, 2007, 04:08:51 PM
where are the Ibanez Artwood electric acoustics?  i visited audiophile main and audiophile ali mall...the available artwoods are only acoustics.  :?

this is another option for me..aside from the APX/CPX..  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Poundcake on October 30, 2007, 03:35:41 PM
Haha! of all places, dito pa tayo nagkita. hehehe. I was with them last sunday. Played electric then though with my trustee zoom 505.

My blog http://xzero012.blogspot.com (http://xzero012.blogspot.com)

Oy Neil! Si Ian to.. Welcome to PhilMusic. Sama ka ulit minsan with us sa Building Bridges :)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on October 31, 2007, 12:02:33 AM
the variax is a nice toy... but for that price, masakit sa bulsa... parker nalang :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on October 31, 2007, 12:05:07 AM
sana you get your bonus na... instead of the yamaha, ill help you get a larrivee or a nice tacoma... both in new/mint condition...mukhang mahilig ka sa mukhang bago e :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 31, 2007, 07:05:36 AM
sana you get your bonus na... instead of the yamaha, ill help you get a larrivee or a nice tacoma... both in new/mint condition...mukhang mahilig ka sa mukhang bago e :-D

hehehe! mejo mahilig nga.  :-D

i'm not familiar with larrivee and tacoma models...what model in particular so that i can research it in advance?  :-)  and electric acoustic na ba sya Doc?  :-D

when can we look at them Doc?  are u free this friday?

thanks so much!  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on October 31, 2007, 08:25:40 AM
ill try to borrow  the tacoma... i think its a dm18, very nice... clean and w/ ohc. the larrivee b\naman is a special om03 w/ bear claw spruce :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 31, 2007, 09:33:51 AM
ill try to borrow  the tacoma... i think its a dm18, very nice... clean and w/ ohc. the larrivee b\naman is a special om03 w/ bear claw spruce :-)

thanks Doc!  at least i have more options.  :-D  i hope to try out those guitars soon.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: cacophony on November 01, 2007, 05:58:53 PM
gusto ko yung tunog nung parker guitar... ganda ng clean... lalo na pag may piezo... wish i have that too in my guitar...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on November 01, 2007, 07:10:06 PM
gusto ko yung tunog nung parker guitar... ganda ng clean... lalo na pag may piezo... wish i have that too in my guitar...

haven't tried a parker...or any guitar that can't be bought in the philippines.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on November 07, 2007, 09:38:52 PM
my friend is planning to buy a Laney LA65C Acoustic Amp.  he asked me to get the advice of Philmusic people.  :-)

JB is selling this for about 12k (sale price).  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on November 22, 2007, 08:54:12 PM
BUMP!   :-D

i miss this thread!  hehehe!   :-D

thanks doc farseer for helping me get my new guitar!  :-)

John Goldie's guitar clinic is on Nov. 26 at Chakik's Bar, J. Vargas.  this is an acoustic guitar clinic.  i'm sure all all acoustic guitar players will have fun in this clinic.  hope to see u in this clinic.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on December 24, 2007, 11:21:48 AM
to all acoustic enthusiasts here in philmusic, please refer to this thread. 

instead of posting new topics on acoustic guitars, we may present our queries here.  you can also read through the discussions here...all are very informative.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on December 24, 2007, 11:23:53 AM
up!

for all acoustic enthusiasts, please refer to this thread.

instead of posting new topics on acoustic guitars, this thread will provide you will all the information you may need...  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on December 24, 2007, 11:56:51 AM
walang bagong akustic :-( :-(.....
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on December 24, 2007, 12:03:19 PM
walang bagong akustic :-( :-(.....

hehehe!  dami kasing nagtatanong doc..eh gumagawa ng bagong threads.  kaya nirerefer ko sila d2 sa thread na to.  :-D

may bago kang acoustic doc?  parang les paul jr ung nakikita kong bago mo eh.   :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on December 24, 2007, 12:07:54 PM
Doc may tanong pala ako.  na-try mo na ba Jimi Hendrix strings?  nagbebenta kasi sa Sound Essentials sa MOA.  sabi ng manager dun, mas mataas daw rating nito sa mga D'addario, Martin, etc. 

may 11s sila eh kaya plano ko bumili para sa Chet Atkins ko.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: DumbKim on December 25, 2007, 01:53:53 AM
Dear Acoustic Masters,

Mga Master sa Acoustic...

ako poy may tanong...

XD

May nakakita na po ba ng wine red na kulay, na acoustic[dreadnought body]
oscar schimdt by washburn sa Perfect pitch sa mega mall?

cost 8k po ata...
plan ko po kasi, bumili ng acoustic , ngaung katapusan po...

maganda po ba un?

eto po ang link

Oscar Schmidt OG-2CE

http://www.rggmusic.com/pd_oscar_schmidt_og2ce.cfm


ayan po sya..

ok po ba sya gamitin sa church? marinig kaya?
maganda kaya?
ok po ba pick up?
ok woods?
matibay?
magtatagal saking mga kamay? XD
ok ba tunog?
plug and unplugged?

anu po ba? Y__Y

mura kasi, and mukang ok naman po.. at may hard case po ba na para doon? na nabibili sa perfect pitch?

paki sagot po mga master...


                                                                                         -Nagmamahal
                                                                                                 Kim
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on December 25, 2007, 02:15:52 AM
merry christmas to you all!

for the price of 8k, mukhang ok na yung oscar schmidt. maririnig naman yan, basta naka-plug. although yun nga, sabi ko for the price ok na yan, it won't be excellent, but it will do. sturdy naman ata pag-gawa ng washburn sa guitars nila. basta try mo muna yung guitar, if it sounds ok with you, if it feels right, if the guitar connects to you, chances are ok na yan, hehe.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: vaisteen2003 on December 25, 2007, 02:37:30 AM
wow ang philmusic parang philippines music scene panay revival ng threads. weheheh
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on December 25, 2007, 08:28:37 AM
merry christmas to you all!

for the price of 8k, mukhang ok na yung oscar schmidt. maririnig naman yan, basta naka-plug. although yun nga, sabi ko for the price ok na yan, it won't be excellent, but it will do. sturdy naman ata pag-gawa ng washburn sa guitars nila. basta try mo muna yung guitar, if it sounds ok with you, if it feels right, if the guitar connects to you, chances are ok na yan, hehe.

Kim, listen to the threadstarter.  :-D

it will all boil down to your feel sa guitar na kukunin mo...make sure to play the hell out of it before getting it..kasi dun mo lang malalaman kung ok sayo yung guitar.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on December 25, 2007, 06:08:14 PM
Tulad nung naging advice sakin ni kulas before my I bought my OG2CE, kung kaya mo.. save up for something a little better (solidtop). :-)

Pero kung hindi ko iisipin ang GAS, okay na ang OG2CE. :wink:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on December 25, 2007, 09:16:47 PM
Tulad nung naging advice sakin ni kulas before my I bought my OG2CE, kung kaya mo.. save up for something a little better (solidtop). :-)

this is true actually...it's always better to save up a little for a solid-top guitar.  if your budget is 8k, why not save up another 2-3k?  you can already buy an Ibanez Artwood (a solid top guitar) for about 10k more or less.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: DumbKim on December 25, 2007, 11:18:53 PM
hindi po ba solid spruce ung OG2ce? na oscar schmidt? red?

sabi sa specs solid spruce daw >.<

kailangan ko po kasi may pup , gagamitin q din po kasi sa praise and worship.

balak ko din po kasi bumili ng hardcase na para sa acoustic na buy q, para protected kasi mahhirapan na akong magipon ulit ^__^

may mga nsa ibanez po kasi 16k,14k,15k.
then buy pa q hardcase o_O almost 20k?

as a jabi crew, bigat un heheh


ung DAME? thread acoustic 9k po ata un solid po ba un?

kayo po may mga lam ba kaung pede pa?


salamat ^__^
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: DumbKim on December 25, 2007, 11:22:30 PM
im just wondering.. ano po ba ung GAS?

=)

noob here sorry
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on December 25, 2007, 11:28:17 PM
No.. hindi solid spruce top ang OG2CE. Select spruce top siya.. a nicer-sounding way of saying laminated spruce top. Marketing yan. :wink:

I'm guessing medyo tight ang budget mo. At around 9-10k, the Dame is the best choice na nakikita ko. May cutaway (kung kailangan mo nun), may pickup, solidtop pa. Then add ka na lang around 3.5k for a brand new hardcase. You should be all set. :-)

Let me remind you.. yung 150EQ models ang solidtop ha.

GAS - Gas Acquisition Syndrome. Eto yung urge among guitarists/bassists na bumili ng bagong guitar/effects/amp. Dala 'to ng paghahanap nila for the 'perfect' or 'ideal' tone in their head.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on December 25, 2007, 11:33:53 PM
kim, first of all, type normal, wag text language, hehe.

next, alam ko hindi solid top ang mga oscar schmidt. budget line ng washburn guitars yan eh, so i doubt kung magre-release sila ng solid top nyan. mahirap i-check kung solid top ang isang acoustic kung painted sha eh, sana natural finish para makita ng mabuti.

ako suggestion ko, go for the artwoods. pero bihira ang artwood na may pickup eh, well kung pang-plug lang naman, pwede na yan. yun nga, test mo. try it acoustically, the try it plugged. kung satisfied ka sa tunog, game na yan!

try mo din yung mga gitara sa JB music, yung mga takamine D series or yung mga sigma. try mo din yung mga SX at fernando, may mga magaganda ka na mati-tiyempuhan nun.

yung GAS naman, ibig sabihin nun Gear Acquisition Syndrome. parang gusto mong bumili ng bagong gamit, yun lang yun.

pero yun nga, ultimate suggestion ko, wag ka magmadali. pag-ipunan mo na yung maganda. ako ilang acoustics na dumaan sakin, from applause, 3 ovations, yamaha na FGX, ibanez na AEG, until i got to my jasmine (by takamine) bale purely acoustic ko lang nabili yung jasmine ko. binilhan ko na lang ng pickup at preamp sa states. but now sobrang mahal ko na sha (well unless magkaroon ako ng martin, hehe) so yun, masaya ang acoustics, wag ka papadala sa brand. try before you buy.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on December 26, 2007, 08:52:00 AM
hindi po ba solid spruce ung OG2ce? na oscar schmidt? red?

sabi sa specs solid spruce daw >.<

sabi dun sa link sa previous post mo, Select Spruce top.  Red_Strat is right..it's just a more "colorful" way of saying laminated top.   :-)

if you're looking at laminated tops, then why not try the Takamines at JB Music like Kulas suggested?  i know some Takamines there are fitted with an AER pickup, which is one of the best available here in the Philippines.  the price of the Takamine + AER pickup is around 13-16k.

i haven't tried the Dame guitars but if the 150 is solidtop and with electronics for only 9k, then you should seriously consider that.  :-)  tapos post your reviews here once you tried/bought one.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on December 26, 2007, 08:55:50 AM
sir Kulas, kamusta na yung Baggs DI mo?  nagpapabili kasi ako sa cousin ko sa Singapore nun kaya lng mejo busy pa sya kaya hindi nya maasikaso.  :-(  i'm thinking of just getting a normal DI box available locally.  :-)

i've tried a Whirlwind Hotbox last week connected to a PA system and my guitar sounded great..sobrang clear.  i'm also thinking of trying the Boss DI-1 (or D1-I) DI box.

question is, will i wait for the Baggs DI or will i get a local DI?  :-)

thanks sir Kulas!  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on December 26, 2007, 11:47:53 AM
I also have a Fernando acoustic.. DG-200CE ata yung model. Sa totoo lang, mas gusto ko pa ang tunog nun over my Oscar Schmidt minsan. Moods ko lang siguro. :lol:

If ever na bilhin mo yung Dame.. do post a review. :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on December 26, 2007, 11:51:18 AM
sir Kulas, kamusta na yung Baggs DI mo?  nagpapabili kasi ako sa cousin ko sa Singapore nun kaya lng mejo busy pa sya kaya hindi nya maasikaso.  :-(  i'm thinking of just getting a normal DI box available locally.  :-)

i've tried a Whirlwind Hotbox last week connected to a PA system and my guitar sounded great..sobrang clear.  i'm also thinking of trying the Boss DI-1 (or D1-I) DI box.

question is, will i wait for the Baggs DI or will i get a local DI?  :-)

thanks sir Kulas!  :-D

well, hindi ko alam eh, kasi hindi pa naman ako naka-try ng ibang DI. yung boss kasi walang controls, so it's just a DI box talaga. yung baggs kasi may preamp na sha. now if your pickup is passive, i suggest you wait for the baggs, kung active preamp ka naman with EQ controls, i'd say any good DI box will do.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on December 26, 2007, 12:35:30 PM
well, hindi ko alam eh, kasi hindi pa naman ako naka-try ng ibang DI. yung boss kasi walang controls, so it's just a DI box talaga. yung baggs kasi may preamp na sha. now if your pickup is passive, i suggest you wait for the baggs, kung active preamp ka naman with EQ controls, i'd say any good DI box will do.

thanks sir Kulas!  :-)

active volume, bass and treble ang electronics ng acoustic ko ngayon..kaya i'm really waiting for the baggs kasi may preamp pa.  feeling ko kasi matatagalan lang ung baggs.  although hindi ko pa nakakausap si glen, baka meron sya.  :-)

thanks again!  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: DumbKim on December 26, 2007, 08:16:27 PM
salamat sa madaming tulong mga master ^___^

nalilinawan ang pagkalito ko ng utak ko ^__^

Try ko magtingin ng Takamine na may pup? meron na ba nun? o bibili po ako ng bukod?

and DAME siguru

ung oscar sabi ng mga reviews sa harmony central. panalo naman

magaganda feedbacks..

1 of my choice ^__^

salamt guys... sigru last decision na paghawak ko ng ang salapi.. at susubukan at dadasalan ko lahat yan ^___^

thank u sa lahat...
merry christmas and happy new year, wag kayo magpapaputok, mahirap mag gitara ng kulang ang daliri

thx

-kim XD
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on December 26, 2007, 08:23:02 PM
Try ko magtingin ng Takamine na may pup? meron na ba nun? o bibili po ako ng bukod?

and DAME siguru

ung oscar sabi ng mga reviews sa harmony central. panalo naman

may mga Takamine na may pickup sa JB music.  ask ka nalang sa mga tao dun.

kung Dame, post ka ng reviews ha?  hehehe!  :-D

parang mas ok na ang Takamine or Dame kesa sa Oscar...pero ikaw bro!  trust your ears and fingers.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: andrew_bonn on December 29, 2007, 11:29:05 AM
Hi pips. Just want to ask kung papano ko pa maiimprove ung tunog ng acoustic electric guitar ko. I just purchased recently an Ibanez AEL20E instead of the Ibanez AEG10. Please tell me I made the right choice..hehehe.. Anyways,I'm planning to buy an acoustic electric effects and the Zoom A2 is my number one choice kc medyo mura lang cya sa JB and All in One na. Has anyone owned this gadget before? Feedback naman po. Or baka may maisusuggest pa kayong mas ok na medyo affordable din like the Zoom A2.

Here's a link for more info in the gadget: http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1869 (http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1869)

Thanks pips. I'll appreciate any feedback.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on December 29, 2007, 05:25:03 PM
Hi pips. Just want to ask kung papano ko pa maiimprove ung tunog ng acoustic electric guitar ko. I just purchased recently an Ibanez AEL20E instead of the Ibanez AEG10. Please tell me I made the right choice..hehehe.. Anyways,I'm planning to buy an acoustic electric effects and the Zoom A2 is my number one choice kc medyo mura lang cya sa JB and All in One na. Has anyone owned this gadget before? Feedback naman po. Or baka may maisusuggest pa kayong mas ok na medyo affordable din like the Zoom A2.

Here's a link for more info in the gadget: http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1869 (http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1869)

Thanks pips. I'll appreciate any feedback.

around how much ang Zoom A2 sa JB bro?  mga 4-5k?  i suggest u get a DI box nalang instead of acoustic effects.  the essence of the acoustic sound is being natural...as if you're playing unplugged.  :-)

may available na DI box sa Audiophile na around 2-3k lang.  samson ata ung brand.

i already tried the A2 and mejo ok naman sya for me...pero iba na kasi ang gusto ko sa acoustic tone ko eh..highly natural.

i'll post a more detailed reply tonight..i'm at work.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on December 29, 2007, 05:28:05 PM
si deltaslim kukuha ng variax acoustic??   :-o

nabasa ko sa isang thread eh...wasn't able to react kasi locked na ni sir Poundcake.  hehehehe!  so i figured para ndi OT, dito nalang.  :-D

go go go sir deltaslim!  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on December 29, 2007, 07:12:29 PM
Hi pips. Just want to ask kung papano ko pa maiimprove ung tunog ng acoustic electric guitar ko. I just purchased recently an Ibanez AEL20E instead of the Ibanez AEG10. Please tell me I made the right choice..hehehe.. Anyways,I'm planning to buy an acoustic electric effects and the Zoom A2 is my number one choice kc medyo mura lang cya sa JB and All in One na. Has anyone owned this gadget before? Feedback naman po. Or baka may maisusuggest pa kayong mas ok na medyo affordable din like the Zoom A2.

Here's a link for more info in the gadget: http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1869 (http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1869)

Thanks pips. I'll appreciate any feedback.

if youre happy w/ it... good buy yan and right choice :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: andrew_bonn on December 29, 2007, 07:31:24 PM
Quote
around how much ang Zoom A2 sa JB bro?  mga 4-5k?  i suggest u get a DI box nalang instead of acoustic effects.  the essence of the acoustic sound is being natural...as if you're playing unplugged.  smiley

may available na DI box sa Audiophile na around 2-3k lang.  samson ata ung brand.

i already tried the A2 and mejo ok naman sya for me...pero iba na kasi ang gusto ko sa acoustic tone ko eh..highly natural.

i'll post a more detailed reply tonight..i'm at work.  smiley

Thanks for your comments. It's actually Php5.3K including the power adapter sa JB. I haven't tried the unit before but it looks good when I read all its features. Btw, sorry but I don't have any idea about DI boxes. Hindi ba kayang ireproduce  nung A2 effects ung natural acoustic sound? How about Acoustic Amp, can you suggest any at a 12K budget? Thanks.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on December 29, 2007, 11:18:29 PM
andrew, if farseer says the A2 is ok, then the A2 is ok.  :-)

if you want to know more about DI boxes, just search the net...in a nutshell, "pampalinis" sya ng tunog ng acoustic mo.  :-D

there are some acoustic amps within the 12k budget like Laney (JB has this) and Ibanez, i think.  but i wouldn't recommend any acoustic amp within the 12k budget.  if your purpose for buying your acoustic and the A2 is for gigs, i strongly recommend you save up for a very good quality acoustic amp nalang, instead of going for the regular ones, since in your gigs, you can hook up your acoustic and A2 to the PA system.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: andrew_bonn on December 31, 2007, 11:05:27 PM
salamat sa inyong mga comments and suggestions. Actually sa church ko kc gagamitin. Dami ko rin tlga natututunan sa thread na to. Salamat mga tsong! :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: bumbum on December 31, 2007, 11:26:51 PM
true acoustic tone? walang pickup na acoustic guitar. my dream guitar? syempre yung gitara ng idol ko. smallman guitar!! sarap talaga.. sarap din ng price nun..  basta first class na kahoy panalo sa. spruce top,rosewood back and sides ayos na ayos na sa akin..hayy.. i really miss classical guitar playing.. :cry:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on January 01, 2008, 11:26:19 PM
up natin max.... :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on January 02, 2008, 02:43:40 AM
up natin max.... :-D

no new acoustics for you yet doc?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: ichieban on January 02, 2008, 03:58:24 AM
Anyone know how much it will cost me pag nagpapalit ako ng bone nut and saddle?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 02, 2008, 07:07:00 AM
up natin max.... :-D

up up!  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: jesper2g on January 02, 2008, 03:11:50 PM
si deltaslim kukuha ng variax acoustic??   :-o

nabasa ko sa isang thread eh...wasn't able to react kasi locked na ni sir Poundcake.  hehehehe!  so i figured para ndi OT, dito nalang.  :-D

go go go sir deltaslim!  :-)

HUWAG!! Nakakatakot ang line 6. Yung Variax 300 ko di na tumunog nung in-update ko sa PC using workbench. Meron din daw Line 6 amp naman nung sinaksak sa PC di na tumunog. Payo ko lang sa inyo or take the risk. Ang mahal pa naman ng line6 products..
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: XFree on January 02, 2008, 03:16:49 PM
mga bossin, oks b behringer am100 acoustic modeler?any reviews?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: redjaztin on January 02, 2008, 05:18:19 PM
mga bossin, oks b behringer am100 acoustic modeler?any reviews?

Last month pumunta ako sa Megamall at sinubukan ko yang AM100 napaWOW ako sa quality ng tunog. Pano ba naman gamit nya lang 20-30W na Behringer amp at Behringer guitar. Aba napaganda nya tunog. hehehe...Pero dont expect natural acoustic tone dun a. Pero sulit na talaga sa 1800 petot. Dapat ADI21 itetest ko kaya lang di pala pwedeng pang electric yun. Compare sa BOSS di talaga papatalo Behringer.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on January 02, 2008, 06:20:11 PM
I even read somewhere that when the AM100 is compared to the (Boss AC-3?).. basta yung acoustic sim pedal ng Boss. It sounds better daw. :lol:
As usual.. yung drawback lang yung plastic enclosure.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: XFree on January 02, 2008, 06:29:08 PM
I even read somewhere that when the AM100 is compared to the (Boss AC-3?).. basta yung acoustic sim pedal ng Boss. It sounds better daw. :lol:
As usual.. yung drawback lang yung plastic enclosure.

sir check this out ang tibay naman ng behringer kahit plastic

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 02, 2008, 08:08:27 PM
HUWAG!! Nakakatakot ang line 6. Yung Variax 300 ko di na tumunog nung in-update ko sa PC using workbench. Meron din daw Line 6 amp naman nung sinaksak sa PC di na tumunog. Payo ko lang sa inyo or take the risk. Ang mahal pa naman ng line6 products..

maybe you just did something wrong bro...although wala pa akong experience sa line6 products, i don't think these guitars will be manufactured just to break down once updated sa computer.  maybe may wrong tweak ka lang or something.  try asking the guys at yupangco.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 02, 2008, 08:11:33 PM
I even read somewhere that when the AM100 is compared to the (Boss AC-3?).. basta yung acoustic sim pedal ng Boss. It sounds better daw. :lol:
As usual.. yung drawback lang yung plastic enclosure.

i didn't even like the tone of the AC-3.  i was supposed to get one nung handog sale but i was disappointed sa tunog nya.   :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 02, 2008, 08:35:51 PM
Anyone know how much it will cost me pag nagpapalit ako ng bone nut and saddle?

pa-quote ka kay arie hipolito of guitar hospital.  tawagan mo nalang sya.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: ichieban on January 03, 2008, 11:09:34 AM
Tawagan ko maya pag uwi ko!
Up up and away!!!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on January 03, 2008, 01:59:56 PM
sir check this out ang tibay naman ng behringer kahit plastic


 :lol: Walang katakot-takot yung owner.
From that video, mukhang okay din ang Behringer. And I've used a Behringer distortion in the past.
The question there however.. for how many years can it take that kind of abuse? At those prices however, if it lasts 4-5 years before breaking down, wala ka nang hinanakit. :lol:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: redjaztin on January 05, 2008, 02:11:53 PM
tanong lang po...kasi nakabili po ako ng Rockstar Acoustic GUitar with 4band EQ. naka direct sa mixer. tapos kalagitnaan ng service nagloko yung amp at nasira. may kinalaman kaya yung sa pag direct ko ng acoustic ko?

ano po kayang recommended strings para sa guitar na ito? at ok po kaya kung papa scalarize ko ito...sabi kasi sa akin matatangal ng nipis pag pinascalarize e...

thanks!  :D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on January 05, 2008, 02:18:08 PM
Bro, kung naka-direct ka sa mixer.. bakit may amp na masisira? :?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 05, 2008, 02:36:30 PM
you lost me there bro...naka-mixer ka to begin with diba?  :?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: redjaztin on January 05, 2008, 02:45:45 PM
ang nasira po yung power-amp ng mixer hindi yung amp ng gitara...

sorry po kung magulo...hehehe
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 05, 2008, 03:00:19 PM
ang nasira po yung power-amp ng mixer hindi yung amp ng gitara...

sorry po kung magulo...hehehe

ah ok...i don't think nasira sya dahil sa pagrekta mo ng acoustic sa mixer.  pwede talaga i-direct ang acoustic sa mixer unlike electric or bass.  it has something to do with the signal or something i'm not sure.  basta it's normal na magrekta ng acoustic.

baka may other cause...luma na ba yung mixer?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 05, 2008, 03:05:53 PM
hindi din ako ganun ka-familiar sa Rockstar acoustic.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: redjaztin on January 05, 2008, 03:09:33 PM
hind naman po gaanong luma mga 5 years na...hehehe...pero mukhang bumigay lang talaga yung power amp...kasi nabasa ko sa unahan ng thread na di magandang nakadirect yung acoustic sa PI....kailangan pa raw ng DI...buti nalang hindi eto ang dahilan...thanks!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 05, 2008, 03:20:40 PM
kasi nabasa ko sa unahan ng thread na di magandang nakadirect yung acoustic sa PI....kailangan pa raw ng DI...

hindi naman sa hindi magandang nakadirect yung acoustic sa PA.  ok lang din yun but it will be MUCH better kung may DI box para mas malinis.  :-)

i've been doing acoustic gigs for almost 4 years na...lagi lang akong rekta sa PA.  wala pa kasing pambili ng magandang DI eh.  hehehe!  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: redjaztin on January 05, 2008, 04:51:12 PM
hindi naman sa hindi magandang nakadirect yung acoustic sa PA.  ok lang din yun but it will be MUCH better kung may DI box para mas malinis.  :-)

i've been doing acoustic gigs for almost 4 years na...lagi lang akong rekta sa PA.  wala pa kasing pambili ng magandang DI eh.  hehehe!  :-D

thanks! ano po kayang magandang mura at matinongstrings para dito? nabasa ko na ok din ang fernando worth 100 petot? what do you think about scalarizing acoustic guitar?  :D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 05, 2008, 10:04:04 PM
thanks! ano po kayang magandang mura at matinongstrings para dito? nabasa ko na ok din ang fernando worth 100 petot? what do you think about scalarizing acoustic guitar?  :D

invest ka ng konti sa strings bro..may mga Martin or D'addario na mga 300+php sa JB.

to be honest, hindi ko alam ibig sabihin ng scalarizing.  hindi ko rin nababasa pa yung thread ni sir BAMF about this but ang alam ko, applicable lang sa electric yun.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: andrew_bonn on January 08, 2008, 09:34:00 AM
Question po mga experts.
1. Ano po ba ang purpose ng phase inverter sa mga acoustic guitar preamp(I'm using an Ibanez AEL20E)? Pag pinipindot ko cya,there's  slight difference sa tunog(while plugged in) na parang lumalakas ng konte ung volume pero gusto ko sana malaman kung ano ba tlga ang nangyayari technically sa tunog pag pinepress ung phase button sa preamp?
2. Ung gamit ko po na Laney LA65c na acoustic amplifier sa church meron
dn phase inverter pero same thing I can't distinguish the difference in sound pag naka enable cya. Same for my first question, ano po kaya ang nangyayari sa kanya technically pag naka enable ung phase when it comes naman sa mga acoustic guitar amplifiers?
3. Meron din kcing XLR input ung ibanez AEL20E ko so I can drectly connect to our Fender Passport mixer through the XLR input ng mixer. My question is pag XLR connection ba ang gamit ko papunta sa mixer,kelangan ko parin ba ng DI?Or balanced na ba ang signal pag sa XLR dumaan?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 08, 2008, 09:44:49 AM
good questions bro...unfortunately wala din ako masyadong alam sa technical side. hehehee!  :-D

i'll wait for the answers ng mga masters.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on January 08, 2008, 09:45:17 PM
I think I can only answer the 3rd question. Correct me na lang if I'm wrong.

When you have the XLR output, balanced na kaagad ang signal nya. Ergo, you can go straight to the mixer or PA, parang mic lang. :-)

I also have the phase feature on my acoustic guitar's preamp.. and honestly, hindi ko rin alam ang technical explanation nya. :lol:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 08, 2008, 09:53:51 PM
ito bro baka makatulong.  i lifted this straight from the manual ng LR Baggs Para Acoustic DI.  may "Invert" button kasi yun and the description is more or less like Phase.  ito yun:

"Phase affects the way the guitar top is pressured by the loud speakers.  When the two are out of phase with each other, low end feedback will be minimized.  Phase will also affect the way the guitar signal mixes live and on tape with other instruments."

hope this helped.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on January 08, 2008, 10:15:34 PM
There you go. :lol:
I learned a little something along the way din.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 08, 2008, 10:19:19 PM
There you go. :lol:
I learned a little something along the way din.

actually, hindi ko parin magets ung term na "out of phase".  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: royc on January 09, 2008, 08:45:50 AM

3. Meron din kcing XLR input ung ibanez AEL20E ko so I can drectly connect to our Fender Passport mixer through the XLR input ng mixer. My question is pag XLR connection ba ang gamit ko papunta sa mixer,kelangan ko parin ba ng DI?Or balanced na ba ang signal pag sa XLR dumaan?

Balanced na yang XLR out nya and you can connect directly sa mixer. Pero kung gusto mo ng DI try mo yung behringer mic200 at low gain malaki maririnig mong improvement sa sound quality.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: andrew_bonn on January 09, 2008, 09:23:00 AM
Quote
ito bro baka makatulong.  i lifted this straight from the manual ng LR
Baggs Para Acoustic DI.  may "Invert" button kasi yun and the description
is more or less like Phase.  ito yun:
"Phase affects the way the guitar top is pressured by the loud speakers. 
When the two are out of phase with each other, low end feedback will be
minimized.  Phase will also affect the way the guitar signal mixes live
and on tape with other instruments."

Thanks for the info.Medyo hindi parin clear sakn..pero parang feeling ko pang minimize ba ng feedback pag kasabayan ung ibang mga instrumentong malalakas tulad ng mga electric guitar n bass guitars? Nung sunday kc,nung tumugtog kami, nakatapat ako sa Hartke na amp ng electric guitar ng kasama ko kaya time to time may naririnig akong gradual feedback against dun sa body ng acoustic guitar ko. Bka nga un ang purpose nun. Cge,tatry ko ulet this sunday. Salamat dud!


Quote
Balanced na yang XLR out nya and you can connect directly sa mixer. Pero
kung gusto mo ng DI try mo yung behringer mic200 at low gain malaki
maririnig mong improvement sa sound quality.

Thanks for the info. Mas mganda nga ang tunog pag naka XLR sa napansin ko. Mas gusto ko nga ang tunog pag nakasaksak sa mixer kaysa naka acoustic amp ako. Tunog natural wood tsaka prang bukang buka ung tunog. Check ko rin yang Behringer mic200.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 09, 2008, 09:32:15 AM
Thanks for the info.Medyo hindi parin clear sakn..pero parang feeling ko pang minimize ba ng feedback pag kasabayan ung ibang mga instrumentong malalakas tulad ng mga electric guitar n bass guitars? Nung sunday kc,nung tumugtog kami, nakatapat ako sa Hartke na amp ng electric guitar ng kasama ko kaya time to time may naririnig akong gradual feedback against dun sa body ng acoustic guitar ko. Bka nga un ang purpose nun. Cge,tatry ko ulet this sunday. Salamat dud!


Thanks for the info. Mas mganda nga ang tunog pag naka XLR sa napansin ko. Mas gusto ko nga ang tunog pag nakasaksak sa mixer kaysa naka acoustic amp ako. Tunog natural wood tsaka prang bukang buka ung tunog. Check ko rin yang Behringer mic200.


cge bro i-try mo ulit tapos lagay mo dito yung naging effect.  :-)

bro, diba Fender Passport gamit mo?  eh kahit hindi XLR ang gamitin mo to connect, maganda parin tunog mo pag yun ang gamit mo.  i've tried connecting to a Passport using PL lang and malinis parin.  mixers are usually better than acoustic amps if you want the natural acoustic tone to come out from your guitar.  :-) 

if u want to try out a DI box, try also Samson (not really sure about the brand...basta sounds like this. hehehe!) na available sa audiophile.  around 2k+ lang ang price and maganda pa tignan.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: royc on January 09, 2008, 11:13:44 AM
Thanks for the info. Mas mganda nga ang tunog pag naka XLR sa napansin ko. Mas gusto ko nga ang tunog pag nakasaksak sa mixer kaysa naka acoustic amp ako. Tunog natural wood tsaka prang bukang buka ung tunog. Check ko rin yang Behringer mic200.


Forgot to say lagay mo lang sa valve setting yung mic200.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: andrew_bonn on January 09, 2008, 01:08:52 PM
Quote
cge bro i-try mo ulit tapos lagay mo dito yung naging effect. 
bro, diba Fender Passport gamit mo?  eh kahit hindi XLR ang gamitin mo to connect, maganda parin tunog mo pag yun ang gamit mo.  i've tried connecting to a Passport using PL lang and malinis parin.  mixers are usually better than acoustic amps if you want the natural acoustic tone to come out from your guitar.   
if u want to try out a DI box, try also Samson (not really sure about the brand...basta sounds like this. hehehe!) na available sa audiophile.  around 2k+ lang ang price and maganda pa tignan. 

May PL port nga rin ung Fender Passport mixer pero ang napansin ko kc dun mdyo mahina ung tunog pag dun ako nakasaksak sa PL, prang medyo pigil ung tunog,tinry ko na ung mga EQ settings ganon parin e. Lam ko may switch un e to optimize whether a mic is used sa XLR port or instrument sa PL. Pero dko pa chinecheck. Pero so far satisified tlga ko sa 2nog pag sa XLR ako connected sa mixer. Try ko rin icheck ung Samson na sinasabi mo sa AudioPhile. Tnx Bro.

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on January 10, 2008, 05:59:35 PM
regarding phase inverter...here's what i know.

ang mga pickups may polarity yun .. meaning may positive/negative.. pati piezo mayroon (dahil magnet)

pag naka on ang phase inverter, nag papalit ang polarity ng pickups. so nagiging "out of phase" na sya.. pag "out of phase" na ang pickups, mayroon change sa tunog dahil may mga "frequencies" na "naka-cancel out" ..

medyo numinipis yung tunog pag "out of phase" but some players prefer the tone..
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 10, 2008, 08:13:57 PM
regarding phase inverter...here's what i know.

ang mga pickups may polarity yun .. meaning may positive/negative.. pati piezo mayroon (dahil magnet)

pag naka on ang phase inverter, nag papalit ang polarity ng pickups. so nagiging "out of phase" na sya.. pag "out of phase" na ang pickups, mayroon change sa tunog dahil may mga "frequencies" na "naka-cancel out" ..

medyo numinipis yung tunog pag "out of phase" but some players prefer the tone..

thanks for the info sir!  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: andrew_bonn on January 10, 2008, 09:32:08 PM
Quote
regarding phase inverter...here's what i know.

ang mga pickups may polarity yun .. meaning may positive/negative.. pati piezo mayroon (dahil magnet)

pag naka on ang phase inverter, nag papalit ang polarity ng pickups. so nagiging "out of phase" na sya.. pag "out of phase" na ang pickups, mayroon change sa tunog dahil may mga "frequencies" na "naka-cancel out" ..

medyo numinipis yung tunog pag "out of phase" but some players prefer the tone..

aa...ok..un nga ung exactly na nangyayari. Parang numinipis ng konte pero very slight lang tlga. Ayt..tnx sir.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on January 11, 2008, 12:19:53 AM
Any reviews of the Behringer Reverb for acoustic guitar? :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on January 12, 2008, 03:54:34 PM
my pastor friend is looking for an acoustic elec guitar. 8k budget. any suggestion? me 2nd hand bang available?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 12, 2008, 03:58:12 PM
my pastor friend is looking for an acoustic elec guitar. 8k budget. any suggestion? me 2nd hand bang available?

meron mga acoustic na binebenta sa classifieds pero hindi ganun ka-visible since puro electric ang binebenta eh.  baka may pumasok sa budget nya dun.

i suggest he extend his budget to 10k.  2k lang naman ang add nya eh.  kasi for 10k, he might get a Dame acoustic from Everymusic and also an Applause.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on January 12, 2008, 11:31:12 PM
pwede po siguro hanggang mga 10t. wala lang stock ng dame eh.:)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on January 12, 2008, 11:35:55 PM
bakit di po kayo tumuloy sa RV5 for your acoustic?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 13, 2008, 12:29:16 AM
bakit di po kayo tumuloy sa RV5 for your acoustic?

i was convinced otherwise by farseer.  since the essence of the acoustic tone is in its natural sound, mas maganda kung walang effects.  as in from guitar - DI box (pwede nga minsan wala to eh..) - mixer.  you can get a reverb naman sa mixer or sa acoustic amp eh.  so much better investment ang acoustic amp or mixer kesa sa effects.  :-)

tska mahal ang RV5 sa yupangco...may binebenta dito na RV5 dati si Poundcake ata.  maganda din ang tunog ng RV5 pero yun nga, mejo unnatural na yung tunog for acoustic.

plano mo ba magbuo ng effects for acoustic?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 13, 2008, 01:16:56 AM
pwede po siguro hanggang mga 10t. wala lang stock ng dame eh.:)

i suggest hintayin mo to.  kasi Dame is the only solid-topped acoustic electric that is within your budget.  malaking bagay ang solid top because generally it will sound better than the laminated ones.  masusulit ang 10k pag Dame ang nakuha.

however, this is all just theoretical bro ha?  i haven't really handled a Dame acoustic yet.  ang basis ko lang dito is purely sa specs nya.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on January 14, 2008, 10:14:39 PM
i was convinced otherwise by farseer.  since the essence of the acoustic tone is in its natural sound, mas maganda kung walang effects.  as in from guitar - DI box (pwede nga minsan wala to eh..) - mixer.  you can get a reverb naman sa mixer or sa acoustic amp eh.  so much better investment ang acoustic amp or mixer kesa sa effects.  :-)

tska mahal ang RV5 sa yupangco...may binebenta dito na RV5 dati si Poundcake ata.  maganda din ang tunog ng RV5 pero yun nga, mejo unnatural na yung tunog for acoustic.

plano mo ba magbuo ng effects for acoustic?
So di nyo type ang acoustic na me reverb o ayaw nyo ng pedal sa signal? problem with the reverb of the sound system is di lumalabas sa monitor. di pwede sa mixer namin mapalabas sa monitor. i desire to have a tuner-reverb-di (maybe an eq if needed). :)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 14, 2008, 10:33:05 PM
So di nyo type ang acoustic na me reverb o ayaw nyo ng pedal sa signal? problem with the reverb of the sound system is di lumalabas sa monitor. di pwede sa mixer namin mapalabas sa monitor. i desire to have a tuner-reverb-di (maybe an eq if needed). :)

maraming factors kung bakit hindi lumalabas ang reverb sa monitor.  pwedeng may hindi ka na-tweak sa mixer.  pwedeng mas maganda ang quality ng outside speakers mo kesa sa monitors, kaya hindi sila pareho ng tunog.  or pwedeng may sira lang sa monitor kaya walang reverb.  :-)

in my experience kasi, may reverb talaga na lumalabas sa monitors.  :-)

feeling ko ok na ang DI lang, para hindi na masyadong magastos.  hehehe!  mahal kasi ang rv5 eh.  may EQ naman ang mixer and preamp mo kaya hindi na siguro kailangan ng EQ.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on January 15, 2008, 12:29:52 PM
wala po talagang routing sa effects sa monitor mix namin. un pi ang design ng mixer.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on January 15, 2008, 03:08:55 PM
cge bro i-try mo ulit tapos lagay mo dito yung naging effect.  :-)

bro, diba Fender Passport gamit mo?  eh kahit hindi XLR ang gamitin mo to connect, maganda parin tunog mo pag yun ang gamit mo.  i've tried connecting to a Passport using PL lang and malinis parin.  mixers are usually better than acoustic amps if you want the natural acoustic tone to come out from your guitar.  :-) 

if u want to try out a DI box, try also Samson (not really sure about the brand...basta sounds like this. hehehe!) na available sa audiophile.  around 2k+ lang ang price and maganda pa tignan.  :-)

MIXERS ACCEPT TWO INPUT SOURCES "LINE" (WHERE U USE A 1/4" MALE JACK...SUCH AS YOUR GUITAR CABLE) & "BALANCED INPUT" (WHERE U USE THE XLR ALSO KNOW AS CANON OR MIC CONNECTORS) EACH ACCEPT A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF "Z"- IMPEDANCE (ASK THE ELECTRONIC GUYS HOW THIS AFFECT SIGNAL TRANSMISSION INTO AN AMP OR MIXER VS RESISTANCE --WHICH IS FOR OUTPUT TO SPEAKERS). A DI BOX ACTS AS A PREAMP WHICH CONVERTS THE "Z" LEVEL SO AS TO MATCH WITH YOUR CORRESPONDING INPUT Z-LEVEL TO EITHER A "LINE" (TO AN AMP) OR "XLR" (MIXER) INPUT. HERE'S A RATHER SHORT EXPLANATION FROM A SITE ---

A direct box can help "bridge the distance gap." A direct box converts signals from high impedance (high-Z) to low impedance (low-Z), and vice versa. Once a high-Z signal is converted to low, it can then travel great distances without losing quality. (They're used for basses on stage because an onstage direct box can provide the house a bass's direct feed via the low-Z output, running a great distance back to the soundboard, while also routing a short-path high-Z cable out to the amp. Since a bass amp doesn't color the sound of a bass the way a guitar amp does a guitar, and because the house's big woofers are well-suited to reproducing a bass's frequencies, the direct box works well here.)
So we can use a low-Z signal to transport our signal. But once we plug into a direct box and covert to low-Z for our journey, what do we do on the other end when we meet up with the amp? How do we get our signal back to the high-Z state that the guitar originally produced, and that the amp's input impedance is looking for? The answer is to bring on another direct box and "flip it around"!
 
Fig. 1: Two direct boxes can help you cover long distances if your guitar and amp are separated. The image in the foreground is a schematic showing the connections.
Here's how it works. The guitarist plugs a cable from the guitar into the first direct box. Then the low-Z (three-pin) out is connected via a mic cable of whatever length (say 40 feet) is necessary to a second direct box. Because the signal has been converted to low impedance, it can travel a long distance without suffering degradation. The signal meets up and connects with a second direct box's low-Z input. (The second box is placed right near the amp.) Then the high-Z, 1/4" output is used — along with a normal patch cord — to connect the second direct box to the amp, so that the amp's input gets the high-Z signal it's looking for. Figure 1 shows the direct-box schematic in the foreground with a scale-looking illustration of how the setup looks in the recording studio. Many studios have "tie lines" or wired jack plates on the walls that can get you into and out of the room you're in, but if you're at home, two direct boxes will do the trick. And when you're not using them for recording, direct boxes make great door stops.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 15, 2008, 09:39:09 PM
welcome back sir GGBR!  it's been a while since your last post here, and as always, very informative.  :-)

i've never thought of using two DI boxes before.  maybe because i only gig in small acoustic bars where distance wouldn't be an issue.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on January 15, 2008, 11:21:37 PM
welcome back sir GGBR!  it's been a while since your last post here, and as always, very informative.  :-)


WELL, LEARNING FROM ACTUAL DAY TO DAY, SHOW, GIGS, ETC...EVENTUALLY IMBEDS INTO YOUR SYSTEM TECHNICALS WHICH YOU WOULD ACTUALLY WANT TO LIVE WITHOUT...BUT REALITY CALLS FOR SOME AWARENESS ON IT IF YOUR "WORK" DEPEND ON THEM.....HENCE....LOW "Z"s - HI "Z"s INPUTS, CANON, XLR, LINE-LEVEL, ETC...SPLIT SIGNAL ETC ETC...

i've never thought of using two DI boxes before.  JUST A CONVERSION OF HI TO LOW...LOW TO HI.... ASK THE ELETRONIC TECHS FOR A GRAPHIC EXPLNTN  maybe because i only gig in small acoustic bars where distance wouldn't be an issue.  :-) YOU WOULD ALWAYS NEED A DI IF YOU WERE TO PLUG DIRECT TO A MIXER...OTHERWISE THE SOUND WOULD READILY DISTORT OR NOT BE ACCURATE BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE TO SET YOUR GUITAR VOLUME WAY DOWN....THEREFORE CAUSING A "SAKAL" OR "DI BUKAS" (NOT OPEN) SOUND... OR WILL NOT MAKE YOU HEAR THE BETTER TONES OF YOUR GUITAR. UNLESS YOU USE AN ACOUSTIC AMP WHICH WOULD EITHER HAVE A "DI OR LINE OUT" TO THE MIXER...I.E. LIKE THE AER  
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on January 15, 2008, 11:25:59 PM
welcome back sir GGBR!  it's been a while since your last post here, and as always, very informative.  :-)

i've never thought of using two DI boxes before.  maybe because i only gig in small acoustic bars where distance wouldn't be an issue.  :-)

HEY...IT TOOK ME YEARS TO BE AWARE OF WHAT ALL THESE THINGAMAGIGS WERE... I ALSO JUST WANTED TO GET PLUGGED AND PLAY.... AS LONG AS THE SOUND SOUNDED GOOD...WHO'D CARE ABOUT WHERE YOU PLUGGED!!  :-D :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on January 15, 2008, 11:33:45 PM

feeling ko ok na ang DI lang, para hindi na masyadong magastos.  hehehe!  mahal kasi ang rv5 eh.  may EQ naman ang mixer and preamp mo kaya hindi na siguro kailangan ng EQ.  :-)

MAXI, GADGETS ARE FROWNED UPON BY ACOUSTIC MUSICIANS  :-D , MENTION A BOSS BOX AND YOU MAY GET A SNICKER AT THE LEAST! MOST SIMPLY USE LIGHT REVERB (KONTING BASA/WET).... AN INEXPENSIVE LITTLE BOX WHICH HAS A VERY HIGH RATING IS THE ALESIS PICOVERB...ALESIS MAKES VERY GOOD REVERBS FOR THE PRO MARKET.. THE PICOVERB IS THE SIZE OF 2 STOMP BOXES.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 16, 2008, 07:03:46 AM
I ALSO JUST WANTED TO GET PLUGGED AND PLAY.... AS LONG AS THE SOUND SOUNDED GOOD...WHO'D CARE ABOUT WHERE YOU PLUGGED!!  :-D :-D

i think i'm still at this level..where in i just have to make do with whatever set-up is available in the venue where i play.   :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 16, 2008, 07:09:29 AM
MAXI, GADGETS ARE FROWNED UPON BY ACOUSTIC MUSICIANS  :-D , MENTION A BOSS BOX AND YOU MAY GET A SNICKER AT THE LEAST! MOST SIMPLY USE LIGHT REVERB (KONTING BASA/WET).

@in_the_tent,

this is what i'm saying.  acoustic musicians don't use gadgets to enhance/improve their tone.  they rely mostly on their guitar's natural tone for their sound.  so instead of investing in gadgets like stomp boxes, they will more likely get a good sounding guitar.  :-)

@GGBR,

i learned a lot from your previous posts in this thread.  i think you already mentioned this thing about acoustic musicians' thoughts on having gadgets.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on January 16, 2008, 10:07:37 AM
i think its ok to use effects on acoustic guitars... only "purist" wil say otherwise...

last 2006, i watched antonio forcione quartet live here in manila, one of the best acoustic player in UK.. dubbed as jimi hendrix of acoustic guitar.. he's playing a yamaha acoustic plugged on a Yamaha AG stomp plus volume pedal and TU-2.. the sound is very very good.. plus he's performing with his band (cello, upright bass, percussion..) although the theater was acoustically treated, when he was giving us a workshop... he was plugged on a Fender Stage 100.. still sound acoustic to my ears..now aint that acoustic !!.. :-D even on he's dvd he's using chorus and reverb.. on nylon / steel acoustic..

my point is on our setting, we don't often have the luxury of acoustically treated bars, high end condenser mics, and a good sound engineer.. so little bit of effects can help.. marami naman effects specifically for acoustic..

yamaha AG stomp
Fishman Aura (yung malaki)
tska yung sonic exciter i forgot the name

i've been trying to get my hands on the FISHMAN , but i bought a telecaster  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on January 16, 2008, 10:30:09 AM
MAXI, GADGETS ARE FROWNED UPON BY ACOUSTIC MUSICIANS  :-D , MENTION A BOSS BOX AND YOU MAY GET A SNICKER AT THE LEAST! MOST SIMPLY USE LIGHT REVERB (KONTING BASA/WET).... AN INEXPENSIVE LITTLE BOX WHICH HAS A VERY HIGH RATING IS THE ALESIS PICOVERB...ALESIS MAKES VERY GOOD REVERBS FOR THE PRO MARKET.. THE PICOVERB IS THE SIZE OF 2 STOMP BOXES.

i wouldn't say it is frowned upon by all acoustic musicians - this is a gross generalization. worse still, if you were asked a legit question and snickered back, i don't know where you've gigged and toured but, as far as I know, this would get you into faster trouble with people than running up a bar tab and not paying for it.

fact is, most acoustic players - fingerstyle or otherwise - usually don't need extensive effects because it defeats the purpose of having a nice acoustic guitar; you want to bring the sound of the guitar outfront, not hide it under layers of effects. I haven't met one acoustic player who would readily swear off any kind of effect addiction to his rig if it can be shown to work and add a good benefit to the existing sound.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on January 16, 2008, 10:34:21 AM
@in_the_tent,

this is what i'm saying.  acoustic musicians don't use gadgets to enhance/improve their tone.  they rely mostly on their guitar's natural tone for their sound.  so instead of investing in gadgets like stomp boxes, they will more likely get a good sounding guitar.  :-)
bro, i do get your point. I myself don't want effects in my acoustic sound. Except for the light reverb na sinasabi ni sir GGBR. Kaya ako nagtatanong about reverb pedal..:)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 16, 2008, 10:53:38 AM
bro, i do get your point. I myself don't want effects in my acoustic sound. Except for the light reverb na sinasabi ni sir GGBR. Kaya ako nagtatanong about reverb pedal..:)

i was under the impression that you were planning to buy the RV5 bro.  kaya i discouraged you.   :-)

the RV5 at yupangco sells at around 10k...with that price, you can already get a Fishman Aura pedal (the small ones) and you'll get a better deal since Fishman is dedicated to acoustic, unlike the RV5.  :-)

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 16, 2008, 11:02:49 AM

yamaha AG stomp
Fishman Aura (yung malaki)
tska yung sonic exciter i forgot the name


are you referring to the BBE Acoustimax Sonic Maximizer?  :-)

price-wise, which is better between the AG stomp and the Aura?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on January 16, 2008, 11:19:58 AM
are you referring to the BBE Acoustimax Sonic Maximizer?  :-)

price-wise, which is better between the AG stomp and the Aura?

hindi yung BBE e.. hmm... APHEX ata..

i think AURA is better , bago yung technology nya.. although i haven't played through one..

ask abyss.. he's an AURA user..  :-)

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on January 16, 2008, 11:35:27 AM
 FROWNED UPON BY ACOUSTIC MUSICIANS -> not equal to ->
I wouldn't say it is frowned upon by all acoustic musicians - this is a gross generalization.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 16, 2008, 11:38:52 AM
@ abyss,

as per dantuts' suggestion, i'll redirect my question to you.  :-)

price and sound-wise, which is better between the AG stomp and the Aura?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on January 16, 2008, 11:46:46 AM
i wouldn't say it is frowned upon by all acoustic musicians - this is a gross generalization. worse still, if you were asked a legit question and snickered back, i don't know where you've gigged and toured but, as far as I know, this would get you into faster trouble with people than running up a bar tab and not paying for it.

fact is, most acoustic players - fingerstyle or otherwise - usually don't need extensive effects because it defeats the purpose of having a nice acoustic guitar; you want to bring the sound of the guitar outfront, not hide it under layers of effects. I haven't met one acoustic player who would readily swear off any kind of effect addiction to his rig if it can be shown to work and add a good benefit to the existing sound.


um, as far as i understand it, you seem to be agreeing with each other.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on January 16, 2008, 11:53:10 AM

um, as far as i understand it, you seem to be agreeing with each other.

perhaps I should elaborate on what I mean - all i am saying is that i know quite a few acoustic musicians who wouldn't frown on using effects in their signal chain which is quite different from what GGBR said which insinuates that acoustic musicians would frown (or snicker) at the thought of using effects. this includes amateur, and touring musicians alike. so, no, i am not agreeing with what the guy said per se....i am merely pointing out that to say acoustic musicians would snicker at the thought of using an effect is a generalization because a lot of folks out there in my gigging circuit use effects which aren't your basic reverb and delays.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on January 16, 2008, 12:01:34 PM
perhaps I should elaborate on what I mean - all i am saying is that i know quite a few acoustic musicians who wouldn't frown on using effects in their signal chain which is quite different from what GGBR said which insinuates that acoustic musicians would frown (or snicker) at the thought of using effects. this includes amateur, and touring musicians alike.

ahh, i guess it all boils down to personal taste. some like having effects, then there are the purists.

though i don't think there were any "gross generalizations" made, unless this would turn into another grammar battle.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on January 16, 2008, 12:03:19 PM
@ abyss,

as per dantuts' suggestion, i'll redirect my question to you.  :-)

price and sound-wise, which is better between the AG stomp and the Aura?

i like the Aura..it is made well and translates great to different guitars with the variety of modeling options available. ive never used the AG stomp. I have heard of some recording with the aura as well but I still use my trusty Demeter tube VTB in addition to micing acoustics in the studio. i would recommend trying out the 2 units to see which would fit your purposes and budget. here is a caveat about the Aura - it isn't very tweakable so you will need to make sure your guitar sounds good with it, or you could have Fishman model your guitar and produce a modeling file based on it like I did. Since I hate tweaking live - the Aura is perfect for getting a nice DI complement to my acoustic amp when I need it.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on January 16, 2008, 12:05:42 PM
ahh, i guess it all boils down to personal taste. some like having effects, then there are the purists.

though i don't think there were any "gross generalizations" made, unless this would turn into another grammar battle.


you're right, chief, saying it was a gross generalization was a bit of overkill. my apologies. but - yes - preference does play a key role in shaping your live acoustic tone and I am all for this approach. as much as i like the natural sound of my acoustics, i wouldn't completely count the use of effects out because the possibilities of producing interesting tones and layers with modulation opens up a slew of possibilities live and in writing songs.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on January 16, 2008, 12:08:21 PM
i like the Aura..it is made well and translates great to different guitars with the variety of modeling options available. ive never used the AG stomp. I have heard of some recording with the aura as well but I still use my trusty Demeter tube VTB in addition to micing acoustics in the studio. i would recommend trying out the 2 units to see which would fit your purposes and budget. here is a caveat about the Aura - it isn't very tweakable so you will need to make sure your guitar sounds good with it, or you could have Fishman model your guitar and produce a modeling file based on it like I did. Since I hate tweaking live - the Aura is perfect for getting a nice DI complement to my acoustic amp when I need it.

abys, thats my main concern about AURA.. hindi sya tweakable although you can download images sa net.. or make your own.. hindi sya plug and play, we still need to find the best image for your guitar unless your lucky right ?  :-) its not feasible to send your acoustic guitar if your living here in manila.. hehehe

i also hate tweaking live, i sound different with each bar we play.. and it frustrates me i have to adjust in the middle of the song.. darn tapos wala na sira na EQ'ing.. after..
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on January 16, 2008, 12:11:52 PM
absyy, thats my main concern about AURA.. hindi sya tweakable although you can download images sa net.. or make your own.. hindi sya plug and play, we still need to find the best image for your guitar unless your lucky right ?  :-)

i also hate tweaking live, i sound different with each bar we play.. and it frustrates me i have to adjust in the middle of the song.. darn tapos wala na sira na EQ'ing.. after..

yeah - that is the drawback to the aura - your guitar needs to sound great with the onboard images on the unit otherwise, buying the unit and not having it match your guitar would make it useless. in this respect, the AG stomp might outdo the Aura in terms of versatility but, IMO, when the Aura sounds good - it sounds really good which leads me to strongly recommend that you take your guitar and try it through the Aura to really get a good feel for the unit.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Kulas on January 16, 2008, 12:14:35 PM
you're right, chief, saying it was a gross generalization was a bit of overkill. my apologies. but - yes - preference does play a key role in shaping your live acoustic tone and I am all for this approach. as much as i like the natural sound of my acoustics, i wouldn't completely count the use of effects out because the possibilities of producing interesting tones and layers with modulation opens up a slew of possibilities live and in writing songs.

yeah, being somewhat of a purist, i'd rather not have effects in my acoustic chain, i like the "raw" acoustic sound over the "processed" sound. though i've been wanting to try at the very least, a compressor pedal to balance the sound a little. the "raw" sound could get a bit harsh sometimes, also depending on the PA system i'm plugging at and the EQ setting. but then again, maybe not, haha!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 16, 2008, 01:22:26 PM
i like the Aura..it is made well and translates great to different guitars with the variety of modeling options available. ive never used the AG stomp. I have heard of some recording with the aura as well but I still use my trusty Demeter tube VTB in addition to micing acoustics in the studio. i would recommend trying out the 2 units to see which would fit your purposes and budget. here is a caveat about the Aura - it isn't very tweakable so you will need to make sure your guitar sounds good with it, or you could have Fishman model your guitar and produce a modeling file based on it like I did. Since I hate tweaking live - the Aura is perfect for getting a nice DI complement to my acoustic amp when I need it.

thanks for the caveat abyss!  i was almost sold!   :-D

i would like to try the Aura.  are you referring to the big one?  what's your take on their stomp box versions?  the ones with "dreadnought", "orchestra" and "jumbo" labeled on them?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 16, 2008, 01:31:12 PM
yeah, being somewhat of a purist, i'd rather not have effects in my acoustic chain, i like the "raw" acoustic sound over the "processed" sound. though i've been wanting to try at the very least, a compressor pedal to balance the sound a little. the "raw" sound could get a bit harsh sometimes, also depending on the PA system i'm plugging at and the EQ setting. but then again, maybe not, haha!

hail the threadstarter!!   :-D

since i've never tried any high-end acoustic effects, i still can't speak on the 'raw' and 'processed' acoustic sound.  although i am happy with the 'raw' sound that comes of my guitar now, i still don't know how better (wrong grammar...pero for lack of better term.. :-D) it will sound with the right acoustic effects.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on January 16, 2008, 01:40:14 PM
thanks for the caveat abyss!  i was almost sold!   :-D

i would like to try the Aura.  are you referring to the big one?  what's your take on their stomp box versions?  the ones with "dreadnought", "orchestra" and "jumbo" labeled on them?

he's referring to AURA BLENDER (the big one) regarding the stompbox version, they're the same, without the other functions of the AURA Blender (tuner, usb etc..) with 16 preset to choose from.. the downside is .. your stuck with the presets
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on January 16, 2008, 03:39:14 PM
ive never tried the stompbox versions but i do know that they are designed individually with the intention of catering to specific instruments so the cost is lower. it doesn';t make sense for you to buy the blender if you don't play a jumbo or anything other than a dread. in my case, the blender works well because i have several acoustics and I tend to bring 2 with me when I gig live - i have a dread and a custom jumbo-ish guitar for a different tuning so the blender works really well. i only modeled my alvarez-yairi but the image works well with my other guitar.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 23, 2008, 05:50:36 PM
my family is planning to go to Singapore this summer, and i wouldn't miss the chance to grab some gear.   :-D

i've been browsing the websites of different Singapore guitar shops.  i'm planning to get either a Baggs DI or an acoustic (or maybe both!  :-D).

the Baggs is priced at SGD260.

this acoustic caught my eye.  it's a Cort Earth200GC.  here's the link:

http://www.luthermusic.com/cgi-bin/WB_ItemPageGen.pl?t=1201082290&Pid=2&Gid=

tell me what you think!  thanks!  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on January 23, 2008, 10:33:31 PM
this acoustic caught my eye.  it's a Cort Earth200GC.  here's the link:

http://www.luthermusic.com/cgi-bin/WB_ItemPageGen.pl?t=1201082290&Pid=2&Gid=

tell me what you think!  thanks!  :-)

Hi Maxi!  Cort's factory was moved last year from Gyeryong, S. Korea (I was there recently where I found out) to China. This acoustic you posted is w/laminated back/sides and will land in your hand for about P20k. There are other options locally available w/laminated back/side at a 3rd to a 4th that. It may be worth considering. 
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: chito_eoi on January 23, 2008, 10:37:33 PM
yeah, being somewhat of a purist, i'd rather not have effects in my acoustic chain, i like the "raw" acoustic sound over the "processed" sound. though i've been wanting to try at the very least, a compressor pedal to balance the sound a little. the "raw" sound could get a bit harsh sometimes, also depending on the PA system i'm plugging at and the EQ setting. but then again, maybe not, haha!

i agree with you brother pewee, but not on the compressor part (kakabenta ko lang ng CS-3 ko and ayaw ko muna bumili ng ibang gear ngayon)
... nakikisabat na rin ako dito coz i just traded my applause AE227 guitar for a yamaha 300D. then bought a Martin Strings for its replacement., isa lang masasabi ko -ngayon lang ako nagkaroon ng ganito kagandang tunog ng acoustic grabe haaarrrr!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 23, 2008, 11:23:12 PM
Hi Maxi!  Cort's factory was moved last year from Gyeryong, S. Korea (I was there recently where I found out) to China. This acoustic you posted is w/laminated back/sides and will land in your hand for about P20k. There are other options locally available w/laminated back/side at a 3rd to a 4th that. It may be worth considering. 

i used the exchange rate of SGD to PHP and the price is around P12K.  or is the P20K inclusive of hard case and other accessories?

i think 12K is fair given that this guitar has solid cedar top and solid mahogany back.  i can't get an acoustic with that specs and price locally.   :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 25, 2008, 12:49:39 AM
... nakikisabat na rin ako dito coz i just traded my applause AE227 guitar for a yamaha 300D. then bought a Martin Strings for its replacement., isa lang masasabi ko -ngayon lang ako nagkaroon ng ganito kagandang tunog ng acoustic grabe haaarrrr!

ito pala yung kay sir itchybrain sa classifieds.  good trade sir chito!  by the looks of it, nag-age na yung wood kaya mukhang maganda na talaga ang tunog nya.  :-)

congrats on your new axe.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on January 25, 2008, 09:52:04 AM
Hi guys. Nakakuha na nga pala ako ng Boss RV-5. Nanalo ako sa bidding ng Everymusic. 4k ko nakuha. I'm happy and thankful about it.:)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: chito_eoi on January 25, 2008, 10:04:07 AM
Hi guys. Nakakuha na nga pala ako ng Boss RV-5. Nanalo ako sa bidding ng Everymusic. 4k ko nakuha. I'm happy and thankful about it.:)

OT amigo  :-D
you should post this at the "everymusic bidding" thread!, im pretty shure na madami nagaabang kung ano na nangyari sa bidding dun  :wink:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: chito_eoi on January 25, 2008, 10:08:30 AM
ito pala yung kay sir ichieban sa classifieds.  good trade sir chito!  by the looks of it, nag-age na yung wood kaya mukhang maganda na talaga ang tunog nya.  :-)

congrats on your new axe.  :-D
yebahhh!!!
actually it was traded for a Yamaha Pacifica Strat with duncan designed p-ups and the neck was re-fretted by elegee... in very good condition yung strat which was the one i traded for itchybrain's yamaha acoustic on that same night... came up all the way from pampanga just to have the deal  :-D

... well, it turned up that everybody was happy on that transaction  :wink:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 25, 2008, 10:13:22 AM
Hi guys. Nakakuha na nga pala ako ng Boss RV-5. Nanalo ako sa bidding ng Everymusic. 4k ko nakuha. I'm happy and thankful about it.:)

great deal bro!  congrats!  kamusta naman RV-5?  alam ko may setting dyan na gustong gusto ko for acoustic eh..parang 12-string yung effect.  basta malinis yung reverb.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 25, 2008, 10:18:34 AM
OT amigo  :-D
you should post this at the "everymusic bidding" thread!, im pretty shure na madami nagaabang kung ano na nangyari sa bidding dun  :wink:

nagtatanong kasi sya dati ng magandang reverb pedal for acoustic.  eh mukhang dati pa nya pinag-iinitan yung RV-5 kaya ayun.  hehehe!  :-D

i thought you traded your Applause for the Yamaha bro.  looks like the guitar was worth the trip from Pampanga.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on January 25, 2008, 10:22:23 AM
OT amigo  :-D
you should post this at the "everymusic bidding" thread!, im pretty shure na madami nagaabang kung ano na nangyari sa bidding dun  :wink:
haha. hanapin ko yung thread pag sinipag. :-D siguro wala namang masyadong interesado sa rv5. hehe.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on January 25, 2008, 10:25:46 AM
great deal bro!  congrats!  kamusta naman RV-5?  alam ko may setting dyan na gustong gusto ko for acoustic eh..parang 12-string yung effect.  basta malinis yung reverb.  :-)
actually di ko pa sya nagagamit sa gig. wala naman akong PA dito sa bahay kaya di ko pa natetest. sa store ko lang natest and maganda naman sya. light touch of reverb lang naman hinahanap ko so solve na ako dun.:)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: chito_eoi on January 25, 2008, 10:34:11 AM
haha. hanapin ko yung thread pag sinipag. :-D siguro wala namang masyadong interesado sa rv5. hehe.

hehehe... nakipag bid din kase ko dun sa isang item nila, di ko lang tinuloy kase pakiramdam ko may sniper (paranoid lang ako nung araw na yun hehehe)
congrats sa RV5!

nagtatanong kasi sya dati ng magandang reverb pedal for acoustic.  eh mukhang dati pa nya pinag-iinitan yung RV-5 kaya ayun.  hehehe!  :-D
sa mga close bar, mas masarap gamitin yung acoustic pag may konting reverb., minsan nga nilalagyan ko pa ng single repeat na delay na may mahinang effect lang para mas kumapal yung tunog nya.  :wink:

i thought you traded your Applause for the Yamaha bro.  looks like the guitar was worth the trip from Pampanga.  :-)
yung strat yung nakay Itchybrain ngayon, may tap coil pa nga yun para you can switch to single/ humbucker coil dun sa bridge pick-ups...
yeah.. sulit yung trip ko from pampanga... i have to thank din those guys na na-meet ko for the deal. -sumarap lalo pag gigitara ko  :wink:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 25, 2008, 10:35:41 AM
actually di ko pa sya nagagamit sa gig. wala naman akong PA dito sa bahay kaya di ko pa natetest. sa store ko lang natest and maganda naman sya. light touch of reverb lang naman hinahanap ko so solve na ako dun.:)

naalala ko na.  yung Modulate mode dyan ata.  yan yung nagustuhan ko.  pero syempre binawasan ko yung level para hindi ganon ka-processed yung tunog.  :-)

why not try it sa earphones habang wala ka pang gig?  para you can start the tweaking na.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on January 25, 2008, 01:00:38 PM
bigla akong naawa sa sarili ko ah. wala akong headphones. haha.:) di bale, mukhang di naman kelangang itweak masyado. i'll have my time naman sa church kapag practice. pero gusto ko yung room tsaka hall so far. :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 25, 2008, 04:17:39 PM
bigla akong naawa sa sarili ko ah. wala akong headphones. haha.:) di bale, mukhang di naman kelangang itweak masyado. i'll have my time naman sa church kapag practice. pero gusto ko yung room tsaka hall so far. :-)

if i remember correctly, parang matinis yung hall...parang mas trip ko yung room.  :-)

must....stop....my.....GAS for a reverb pedal.....  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on January 25, 2008, 10:46:53 PM
sir maxi, bumili ka na ng preamp?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 25, 2008, 10:49:57 PM
sir maxi, bumili ka na ng preamp?

hindi pa bro.  may gusto kasi akong preamp kaya lang hindi available dito sa pinas.  baka summer pa if ever matuloy yung pagpunta namin sa singapore.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on January 26, 2008, 12:43:24 AM
ano target mo?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 26, 2008, 09:42:55 AM
ano target mo?

tops in my list is the LR Baggs Para Acoustic DI.  it's a preamp/DI box in one.  this is also the most affordable with good quality.

i have another target kaya lang it's more expensive.  D-Tar Mama Bear Preamp.  mas maganda daw to kasi mas maraming tweaks.

depende sa ipon ko pagdating ng summer.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on January 26, 2008, 10:13:03 AM
mga magkano in pesos yung nakita mo? natry mo na magpaquote sa everymusic regarding that?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 26, 2008, 01:33:50 PM
mga magkano in pesos yung nakita mo? natry mo na magpaquote sa everymusic regarding that?

mas mahal kung sa singapore eh.  yung LR Baggs papatak mga P8k pag converted from SG$.  pero pag US$, mga P5k lang.  yung Mama Bear parang mga P24k pag converted from SG$ pero pag US$, patak nya mga P15k.

hindi ko pa nasubukan magpaquote sa everymusic eh.  do they ship these items?  mas maganda sana kung from US para mas mura.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on January 28, 2008, 09:38:42 AM
inquire ka sa kanila. less than 15 yun sigurado.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 28, 2008, 09:51:26 AM
inquire ka sa kanila. less than 15 yun sigurado.

nag-inquire na ako bro.  wala daw stock yung sinabi kong item eh.  pero nag-inquire ulit ako kung anong available nila na acoustic preamps.  kukuha ka rin ba?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: DumbKim on January 28, 2008, 12:22:03 PM
Sir hingi lng po ng opinion...


bibilan ko po kasi ng guitar girlfriend ko...

plan ko is ung Dragon Series na Takamine sa JB music

http://www.jbmusic.com.ph/product.php?sessid=&sid=20&pid=769

ayan po.. sale kasi P 5,700.00 nalang sya

maganda po ba yan? sound? quality?
Then bilan ko nalang ng TKL Bag sa JB din...

Ask ko nadin po? San Meron ng AER pick up? saka panu po installation nun?

thanks in advance kuya... need ko lang po ng strong opinion bout this guitar before i buy it this feb 14.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 28, 2008, 01:10:26 PM
Sir hingi lng po ng opinion...


bibilan ko po kasi ng guitar girlfriend ko...

plan ko is ung Dragon Series na Takamine sa JB music

http://www.jbmusic.com.ph/product.php?sessid=&sid=20&pid=769

ayan po.. sale kasi P 5,700.00 nalang sya

maganda po ba yan? sound? quality?
Then bilan ko nalang ng TKL Bag sa JB din...

Ask ko nadin po? San Meron ng AER pick up? saka panu po installation nun?

thanks in advance kuya... need ko lang po ng strong opinion bout this guitar before i buy it this feb 14.

regarding sa pagpili ng gitara, ikaw na bahala magcheck kung ok sayo yung tone and feel nya.  pero ok naman mga Takamines sa JB eh.  you might also want to check the Marrtinez (?) acoustic guitars in Lyric (tapat lang ng JB Parksquare).  alam ko ok din tumunog and same price with the Takamines.

JB ang nagcacarry ng AER dito.  you have to bring your guitar sa luthier for installation ng pickup.  they would know what to do.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 28, 2008, 11:12:42 PM
inquire ka sa kanila. less than 15 yun sigurado.

may nag-quote na bro.  mejo mahal para sakin pero kasama na daw shipping and taxes dun.  actually ok narin but i'll look for other alternatives muna.  :-)

summer pa naman ako plano bumili ulit eh.  so i still have a long time to save up.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on January 29, 2008, 12:21:31 AM
nag-inquire na ako bro.  wala daw stock yung sinabi kong item eh.  pero nag-inquire ulit ako kung anong available nila na acoustic preamps.  kukuha ka rin ba?
di pa.. kasalukuyan kong binubuno yung pinambili ko ng RV5 eh. hehe.

bro, have you tried the behringer preamp? or me reviews ka bang alam dun?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 29, 2008, 07:29:42 AM
di pa.. kasalukuyan kong binubuno yung pinambili ko ng RV5 eh. hehe.

bro, have you tried the behringer preamp? or me reviews ka bang alam dun?

alam ko may nag-review dito sa thread ng behringer preamp eh.  sina Red_Strat ata yun.   :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: DumbKim on January 30, 2008, 12:05:53 PM
Magkanu po ba ung AER na pickup sir? saka anu po itsura nun? may equalizer na din po ba? tapos under bridge pickup po ba sya?

saka po san po ba may magaling na luthier d2? kasi ung sa mga sta. mesa kala mu mga karpintero lang, sobra pa maningil...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 30, 2008, 05:52:22 PM
Magkanu po ba ung AER na pickup sir? saka anu po itsura nun? may equalizer na din po ba? tapos under bridge pickup po ba sya?

saka po san po ba may magaling na luthier d2? kasi ung sa mga sta. mesa kala mu mga karpintero lang, sobra pa maningil...

hindi ko alam kung magkano yung AER and hindi ko parin sya nakikita kasi lagi daw out of stock sa JB.  hehe!   :-D

for the luthiers, try out Guitar Hospital and Elegee Custom Shop.  google mo na lang sila.   :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: jonzsky on February 01, 2008, 09:15:49 PM
my family is planning to go to Singapore this summer, and i wouldn't miss the chance to grab some gear.   :-D

i've been browsing the websites of different Singapore guitar shops.  i'm planning to get either a Baggs DI or an acoustic (or maybe both!  :-D).

the Baggs is priced at SGD260.

this acoustic caught my eye.  it's a Cort Earth200GC.  here's the link:

http://www.luthermusic.com/cgi-bin/WB_ItemPageGen.pl?t=1201082290&Pid=2&Gid=

tell me what you think!  thanks!  :-)

hi sir, you can also compare the price of this cort guitar via everymusic. it will only take an e-mail and 7hrs waiting for their answer.
I am also planning to buy a cort guitar the mr730fx, and it cost 24600 via everymusic.
compare ko lang yung price sa indonesia kung mas mura, punta kasi ako don next week.
Ok po ba ang cort guitar?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 01, 2008, 11:54:47 PM
hi sir, you can also compare the price of this cort guitar via everymusic. it will only take an e-mail and 7hrs waiting for their answer.
I am also planning to buy a cort guitar the mr730fx, and it cost 24600 via everymusic.
compare ko lang yung price sa indonesia kung mas mura, punta kasi ako don next week.
Ok po ba ang cort guitar?

thanks for the info bro.  i haven't tried a Cort yet, so i'm heavily relying on the specs.  having a solid top and back ought to be something.   :-)

the Cort i posted in the link only costs SGD 428.  when converted to PHP, that will only be around 11k.  i just need an acoustic since i already have two acoustic electrics.  maybe i'll install a good pickup when i have enough dough again.  :-D

let us know if a Cort sounds good once you get back from Indonesia.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: redjaztin on February 02, 2008, 09:34:44 AM
Mga kapatid share ko lang po...di po ako ganun kagaling sa tone ng acoustic. Pero meron akong  Rockstar acoustic guitar with 4 equa. Mas maganda tunog sa worth 8-9k ng Aria. Pero sobrang kulang tunog e. Pero nung bumili ako ng Zoom A2. Dito nagbago mundo ko. YUng mga hinahanap kong tunog ng acoustic nandun na. tapos pwede ko pang kalikutin pa. Sabi nga nila sa ad. Nothing Lost, All Gained talaga. Ang linis. Sa headphone palang po yun. Ang hamon ngayon ay pag direct na sa Mixer.

Sana ok din tunog. :D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on February 02, 2008, 09:36:42 AM
Sa totoo lang, intrigang-intriga talaga ako dito sa Zoom A2. Daming tones na pwedeng makuha eh. Does it serve as a DI box din ba?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: redjaztin on February 02, 2008, 09:46:11 AM
Sa totoo lang, intrigang-intriga talaga ako dito sa Zoom A2. Daming tones na pwedeng makuha eh. Does it serve as a DI box din ba?

Its more than a DI sa tingin ko. Nakatry na din ako ng Behringer ADI...ayus din yun. Kaya lang etong A2 pwede pang lagyan ng Reverb, Delay, Chorus, Phaser,wah...ect...pero di ko naman ginagamit lahat. Ok na sa akin yung Reverb at kunting chorus.

Sa experience ko. Nagpa-scalarize na ako ng acoustic. nawla konting tinis. Pero meron parin e. Dito sa A2 pagsaksak ko buong-buo kaagad tunog. at pwede pang kalikutin.

Try nyo din...wala naman mawawala e... :D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 02, 2008, 09:49:03 AM
Its more than a DI sa tingin ko. Nakatry na din ako ng Behringer ADI...ayus din yun. Kaya lang etong A2 pwede pang lagyan ng Reverb, Delay, Chorus, Phaser,wah...ect...pero di ko naman ginagamit lahat. Ok na sa akin yung Reverb at kunting chorus.

Sa experience ko. Nagpa-scalarize na ako ng acoustic. nawla konting tinis. Pero meron parin e. Dito sa A2 pagsaksak ko buong-buo kaagad tunog. at pwede pang kalikutin.

Try nyo din...wala naman mawawala e... :D

may Phaser??  :-o  gusto ko pa naman ng konting Flange sa acoustic tone ko dati.

i already tried the A2 but presets palang.  maganda naman so far.  but i haven't tried tweaking it yet.  kung presets maganda na, what more pa kaya pag tweaked na?  :-)

pwede ka kayang magpost ng soundclips redjaz?  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: redjaztin on February 02, 2008, 10:03:26 AM
may Phaser??  :-o  gusto ko pa naman ng konting Flange sa acoustic tone ko dati.

i already tried the A2 but presets palang.  maganda naman so far.  but i haven't tried tweaking it yet.  kung presets maganda na, what more pa kaya pag tweaked na?  :-)

pwede ka kayang magpost ng soundclips redjaz?  :-)

hehehe...di ako magaling maggitara e...pero sige try ko po....pero search nyo na po sa Youtube ang Zoom A2. Yung mga sample dun ang nag-convince sa akin para bumili e. Very natural ang tunog.

:D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: DumbKim on February 05, 2008, 08:31:55 AM
ganun po ba...

salamat..

tumingin ako sa jb mega mall... out of stock nga daw, katawa lang kasi ung isa sabi im not sure magkanu sila eh heheheh taga dun sya, natawa lang ako heheh...

anyway... heres the sad story, back to regular price sila hayz....

march pa daw ulit babalik ung 5700 price..

well.. siguru ung OG2CE nalang ng oscar ang buy ko, para same kami, cute namn eh heheh, yaw nya lang kasi ng dreadnought body, reason why? hugis peras daw[ung prutas amf]
heheh
kaso out of stock sila ang meron lang ung display kaso sira ung lagayan ng battery.

san pa po ba kya meron nun?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 05, 2008, 09:27:28 AM
ganun po ba...

salamat..

tumingin ako sa jb mega mall... out of stock nga daw, katawa lang kasi ung isa sabi im not sure magkanu sila eh heheheh taga dun sya, natawa lang ako heheh...

anyway... heres the sad story, back to regular price sila hayz....

march pa daw ulit babalik ung 5700 price..

well.. siguru ung OG2CE nalang ng oscar ang buy ko, para same kami, cute namn eh heheh, yaw nya lang kasi ng dreadnought body, reason why? hugis peras daw[ung prutas amf]
heheh
kaso out of stock sila ang meron lang ung display kaso sira ung lagayan ng battery.

san pa po ba kya meron nun?

alam ko yupangco/perfect pitch ang carrier ng Oscar.  baka may nagbebenta ng 2nd hand sa classifieds.  did you check out Marrtinez guitars sa Lyric?  baka magandang alternative yun sa Takamines.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: bluebossa on February 07, 2008, 02:54:58 AM
mga sir,may question lang ako,possible po ba na makuha ko yung "acoustic" tone sa full-hollow artcore  ko just by changing the p'up?

gusto makuha yung resonance ng acoustic guitar eh,yung tipong pag tinap ko or pinalo yung body...tutunog siya. or hindi possible? hehe :-D thanks

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 07, 2008, 07:25:15 AM
mga sir,may question lang ako,possible po ba na makuha ko yung "acoustic" tone sa full-hollow artcore  ko just by changing the p'up?

gusto makuha yung resonance ng acoustic guitar eh,yung tipong pag tinap ko or pinalo yung body...tutunog siya. or hindi possible? hehe :-D thanks



kung resonance lang ang habol mo, an artcore can do the job.  i believe Tuck Andres uses a full-hollow guitar in his pieces.  and he does some heavy tapping in almost all of his songs.

but as for the acoustic tone on a full-hollow guitar, i'm not sure.  maybe it can come close to the acoustic tone but it will still sound like a full-hollow.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: DumbKim on February 11, 2008, 09:56:34 PM
ah i see i see geh po tingin ako...


Marrtinez? medyo ok namn po kaso ung pickup na naka install mukang d po maganda , belcat pickup?
and ung mga magaganda po talga nila is 14k up... ung may mga eyecatching na exotic wood top and side..
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 11, 2008, 10:57:30 PM
ah i see i see geh po tingin ako...


Marrtinez? medyo ok namn po kaso ung pickup na naka install mukang d po maganda , belcat pickup?
and ung mga magaganda po talga nila is 14k up... ung may mga eyecatching na exotic wood top and side..


i'm not a fan of exotic wood designs kaya hindi ko na tinignan yung price.  kala ko acoustic na walang pickup ang hinahanap mo.  meron pa silang isang brand ng acoustic sa Lyric eh...forgot the name.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: DumbKim on February 12, 2008, 08:47:17 PM
ung magaganda po nila comes with pup po kasi...

ung mga wala pong pickup, di po maganda ung wood...

hmmm.. ung snasbi mo po is ung FVsteven?
heheh may nakita akong electric nila, multi ply sya ng kahoy ang ganda ^__^


hayz... ang tagal mag sale ulet sa JB.. di ku mabili ung Dseries na Takamine kainis =(
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 12, 2008, 09:30:54 PM
ung magaganda po nila comes with pup po kasi...

ung mga wala pong pickup, di po maganda ung wood...

hmmm.. ung snasbi mo po is ung FVsteven?
heheh may nakita akong electric nila, multi ply sya ng kahoy ang ganda ^__^


hayz... ang tagal mag sale ulet sa JB.. di ku mabili ung Dseries na Takamine kainis =(

may Valentine's Sale ang Yupangco.  baka tapatan ng JB.  baka lang.  :-D

oo FV Steven.  mukhang ok naman yung mga designs nila.  not sure on the tone kasi never tried pa.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: ichieban on February 13, 2008, 09:15:01 AM
ung magaganda po nila comes with pup po kasi...

ung mga wala pong pickup, di po maganda ung wood...

hmmm.. ung snasbi mo po is ung FVsteven?
heheh may nakita akong electric nila, multi ply sya ng kahoy ang ganda ^__^


hayz... ang tagal mag sale ulet sa JB.. di ku mabili ung Dseries na Takamine kainis =(

Sir try mo sa JB mega, ung D51C nila 6500 nalang, Kainis nga kasi 7600 ung bili ko sale na un.. 8k+ ung original price. Though ung wine red nalang ung nandun and im not sure kung hindi pa nabebenta.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on February 20, 2008, 08:42:05 PM
i saw this preamp sa may jb, looking at the controls it reminded me of my friend's lr baggs para-acoustic di. anybody tried this yet?

ayus eh.. 1500 lang. lr baggs passive yung sakin eh wala preamp. pag may extra ko myt try it out.

as for the zoom acoustic pedal... uhmm... masyado lang siya manipis for my taste. we have the zoom a2.iu ata yun. basta yung green with wah/ vol pedal...

ayun audio interface lang siya sa ngayon. i'll try it out again this weekend i myt just be missing something.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on February 21, 2008, 01:39:36 AM
saan ba nakakabili ng acoustic pickup? piezo?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: borgy on February 21, 2008, 08:20:54 AM
sa audiophile meron piezo at mga seymour duncan na soundhole pups. You can also try dimarzio. if you want high-end piezo, try the one in JB. I think it's called AER.  :evil:

saan ba nakakabili ng acoustic pickup? piezo?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 21, 2008, 05:11:23 PM
saan ba nakakabili ng acoustic pickup? piezo?

go for the AER at JB.  it's the best acoustic pickup available in music stores.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: evil_sperm on February 22, 2008, 11:35:49 AM
Hello Mga sir,

Dito na ko nagpost kasi about sa acoustic guitar naman ang tanong ko e.

Tanong ko lang nakakaapekto ba yung kulay ng isang acoustic guitar sa tunog and overall quality ng gitara in the long run?

May opportunity kasi ako makabili ng Ibanez Artwood AW40 ECE na Natural or Resonant Dark Violin Sunburst color
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m159/melvin_teoh/AW40EC_RDV_12_02.gif (http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m159/melvin_teoh/AW40EC_RDV_12_02.gif)...



Kung kayo pipili ano pipiliin nyo?..any inputsa mga sir....salamat...


Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 23, 2008, 09:44:11 AM
Hello Mga sir,

Dito na ko nagpost kasi about sa acoustic guitar naman ang tanong ko e.

Tanong ko lang nakakaapekto ba yung kulay ng isang acoustic guitar sa tunog and overall quality ng gitara in the long run?

May opportunity kasi ako makabili ng Ibanez Artwood AW40 ECE na Natural or Resonant Dark Violin Sunburst color
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m159/melvin_teoh/AW40EC_RDV_12_02.gif (http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m159/melvin_teoh/AW40EC_RDV_12_02.gif)...

Kung kayo pipili ano pipiliin nyo?..any inputsa mga sir....salamat...


the color of an acoustic guitar will not have an effect on it's overall tone.  it will all boil down to your personal taste.

good choice though.  good luck!  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: powerchord41 on February 23, 2008, 09:48:48 AM
Sir hingi lng po ng opinion...


bibilan ko po kasi ng guitar girlfriend ko...

plan ko is ung Dragon Series na Takamine sa JB music

http://www.jbmusic.com.ph/product.php?sessid=&sid=20&pid=769

ayan po.. sale kasi P 5,700.00 nalang sya

maganda po ba yan? sound? quality?
Then bilan ko nalang ng TKL Bag sa JB din...

Ask ko nadin po? San Meron ng AER pick up? saka panu po installation nun?

thanks in advance kuya... need ko lang po ng strong opinion bout this guitar before i buy it this feb 14.

ganyan yung gamit na guitar ni sam milby... WAHAHAHA! :lol: kidding aside, i saw these guitars sa jb mukang ayos naman...

ang hirap pumili ng acoustic guitar... nakaka frustrate...  :-(




Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: andrew_bonn on March 04, 2008, 03:58:03 PM
Quote
Hello Mga sir,

Dito na ko nagpost kasi about sa acoustic guitar naman ang tanong ko e.

Tanong ko lang nakakaapekto ba yung kulay ng isang acoustic guitar sa tunog and overall quality ng gitara in the long run?

May opportunity kasi ako makabili ng Ibanez Artwood AW40 ECE na Natural or Resonant Dark Violin Sunburst color
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m159/melvin_teoh/AW40EC_RDV_12_02.gif...



Kung kayo pipili ano pipiliin nyo?..any inputsa mga sir....salamat...

san ka nakakita? D ba Audiophile lang ang nagcacarry ng Ibanez? Avail na ba? Antgal ko kcing inabangan tong model na to e. Last december ako napabili,nagkataon wala cla stock nyan kaya AEL20 tuloy ang nabili ko. Ok nako sa 2nog nun,ano pa kaya kung AW40 ECE, e solid top yta yan e..good choice. San mo pla nakita to?Meron na AudioPhile?How much na sya ngayon?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: redjaztin on March 04, 2008, 04:26:15 PM
Revie lang po sa A2....di po sya maganda sa PI system namin...iba parin talaga tunog ng Natural tone acoustic. Nagtataka lang ako kasi maganda sa head phone ko. pero sa Mizer namin hindi na. Matinis yung tunog.

Yun lang po...bow...hehehe
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 05, 2008, 01:15:31 AM
Revie lang po sa A2....di po sya maganda sa PI system namin...iba parin talaga tunog ng Natural tone acoustic. Nagtataka lang ako kasi maganda sa head phone ko. pero sa Mizer namin hindi na. Matinis yung tunog.

Yun lang po...bow...hehehe

baka nasa timpla lang ng mixer mo bro.  konting tweak pa and you may get the tone you want.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: redjaztin on March 05, 2008, 08:54:36 AM
Quote
baka nasa timpla lang ng mixer mo bro.  konting tweak pa and you may get the tone you want.

sa tingin ko nga rin...kasi ok naman pag sa headset ko. pipityugin lang din kasi yung speakers ng mixer namin e....konzert...hehehe...

:D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: evil_sperm on March 05, 2008, 11:45:29 AM
san ka nakakita? D ba Audiophile lang ang nagcacarry ng Ibanez? Avail na ba? Antgal ko kcing inabangan tong model na to e. Last december ako napabili,nagkataon wala cla stock nyan kaya AEL20 tuloy ang nabili ko. Ok nako sa 2nog nun,ano pa kaya kung AW40 ECE, e solid top yta yan e..good choice. San mo pla nakita to?Meron na AudioPhile?How much na sya ngayon?

Magpapabili lang ako sa friend ko bro na nasa abroad...lagi kasi walang stock dito sa AP...Ito talaga ang trip ko won't settle for anything else..hehehe..
\m/
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on March 18, 2008, 02:52:37 PM
@maxi

how much nga ang AER sa JB ? i think its around 6k right ?

btw, discontinued na ang Aura Blender shucks !!!!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: ommantra on March 18, 2008, 03:06:08 PM
tapatan mo lang yung acoustic guitar mo ng mic sa 12th fret tsaka sa sound hole pag recording...wag mo isaksak sa guitar amp yung guitar..mic lang talaga..yun sigurado pure acoustic guitar ang tunog nun...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: ichieban on March 21, 2008, 07:14:22 AM
@maxi

how much nga ang AER sa JB ? i think its around 6k right ?

btw, discontinued na ang Aura Blender shucks !!!!

Tinanong ko last week sa JB, 8400 daw.. Mahal pala nya..
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 21, 2008, 08:57:12 AM
btw, discontinued na ang Aura Blender shucks !!!!

bakit discontinued?  due to negative feedback?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 21, 2008, 09:05:01 AM
Tinanong ko last week sa JB, 8400 daw.. Mahal pala nya..

dude, ano bang acoustic gamit mo ngayon?  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: ichieban on March 21, 2008, 11:35:40 AM
Yung Takamine padin Maxi.. Wala padin sha pickup til now. Hehe.. Medyo mahal ung AER eh.. Im thinkin pahanap nalang ako sa US or Canada sa mga cousin ko.. Ok ba to? http://cgi.ebay.com/Fishman-Classic-4-Acoustic-Preamp-EQ-Piezo-For-Fender_W0QQitemZ190199056663QQcmdZViewItem. For now, mic nalang muna pag may jam!
OT: May nabili pala ko na extra light na D'addario sa audiophile, 240 lang but hindi sha exp though haven't tried it pa.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 22, 2008, 07:41:54 AM
Yung Takamine padin Maxi.. Wala padin sha pickup til now. Hehe.. Medyo mahal ung AER eh.. Im thinkin pahanap nalang ako sa US or Canada sa mga cousin ko.. Ok ba to? http://cgi.ebay.com/Fishman-Classic-4-Acoustic-Preamp-EQ-Piezo-For-Fender_W0QQitemZ190199056663QQcmdZViewItem. For now, mic nalang muna pag may jam!
OT: May nabili pala ko na extra light na D'addario sa audiophile, 240 lang but hindi sha exp though haven't tried it pa.

yan yung gamit sa mga Fender acoustics sa Yupangco.  dun mo nalang cguro tignan kung ok ang tunog para sayo.

hindi ko pa na-try ang extra light ng D'addario eh.  exp kasi gamit ko and Jimi Hendrix 11s.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: ichieban on March 22, 2008, 08:12:31 AM
yan yung gamit sa mga Fender acoustics sa Yupangco.  dun mo nalang cguro tignan kung ok ang tunog para sayo.

hindi ko pa na-try ang extra light ng D'addario eh.  exp kasi gamit ko and Jimi Hendrix 11s.  :-)
Ang mahal kasi ng exp eh. Though ok talaga sha and long lasting. Il try the daddario, soon medyo ok pa strings ko ngayon eh.. Yupangco makati? I'll try to go there one of these days.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: jm the mute on March 31, 2008, 02:18:58 PM
OT:
meron ba available locally na acoustic pickups like the dean markley promag
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 31, 2008, 03:33:06 PM
OT:
meron ba available locally na acoustic pickups like the dean markley promag

this isn't OT bro.  :-)

if you have read the previous posts here, you will see that there have been many similar questions to your own.

to answer your question, the best available in local music stores is the AER.  it's available in JB music.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Langxst on March 31, 2008, 04:09:43 PM
Is there a False Tone?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 31, 2008, 04:32:03 PM
Is there a False Tone?

in terms of acoustic guitars' tone, yes there is a false tone.  an example is an acoustic guitar loaded with electric guitar effects.  yan ang false acoustic tone.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: ichieban on April 01, 2008, 08:29:13 AM
Mga sir, hindi ba makakasama sa gitara ko kung magpapalit nnman ako ng gauge ng strings. After EXP na xtra light, I shifted to Martin light gauge a couple times tapos ngayon I bought D'addario EZ900 na extra light kasi medyo mas gusto ko feel ng extra lights. Hindi kaya mag buzz or madamage ung neck?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on April 01, 2008, 12:15:40 PM
@maxi

how much nga ang AER sa JB ? i think its around 6k right ?

btw, discontinued na ang Aura Blender shucks !!!!

The AER AK-15+ Pickup Preamp set (piezo crystal Under Saddle Transducer [UST] & condenser microphone) is sold by their local authorized dealer - JB Music. The AK-15+ outputs to a 1/4" TS mic jack via an internal preamp/output jack powered by a 9v batt.

Blending of the UST & condenser mic is achieved by 2 pcb-mounted trim pots which is glued to the underside edge of your sound hole and for easy reach by your finger. Each of pots control both main volume and the condenser mic's output. Being fingertip-compact, it eliminates having to purchase a separate external preamp blender to achieve mixing of two sound sources (UST & mic) from your guitar.

Like most piezos, you will have the electronic quarky sound characteristic of piezos. AER uses the condenser to capture and to add the wooden boxy sound of the guitar's sound chamber.

Whether it is the best locally available is for you to judge. Remember that a lot of the hype is carried by the name - AER.

I've used the AK-15+ on both the AER's Compact 60 & Domino. Producing a very strong output on just the lower end range of the volume pot, you will want to adjust the internal preamp's trim to lower the preamp output... otherwise put the main volume pot on a minimum. Tweaking is necessary.

The AER AK-15+ is made by Korea's SOHO ACOUSTICS LTD (Seoul) which produces pickups for various applications ($2.00+ up to $15~17 inclusive of Active EQ). Soho will not sell AK-15s outside of AER Germany's distribution network...

Another excellent Korean pickup maker is ARTEC, which also OEMs for known brands. You may want to look for this 'low-profile' and low cost brand which could be available at the Bombay guitar stores in the Sta. Mesa area.  MURA ang ARTEC kung wala pang US branding!!

If you are eyeing US/European brands consider the following-

1) K & K Western for Acoustic Steel (one of the most saleable in the USA)
2) IP series of Highlander
3) B-Band from Finland
3) Pickup the World (PUTW)
4) LR Baggs (RADIUS SERIES)

Choice of pickup will of course depend on your playing style, intensity, environment of playing - solo, concert, with a band (rock/acoustic/etc.)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on April 01, 2008, 01:39:36 PM
Quote
1) K & K Western for Acoustic Steel (one of the most saleable in the USA)
2) IP series of Highlander
3) B-Band from Finland
3) Pickup of the World (PUTW)
4) LR Baggs (RADIUS SERIES)

hey thanks for the input. my choice is Fishman rare earth but im contemplating on whether to order or just buy AER. same price din.

deltaslim told me about K&K , ganda daw. woody very natural. 
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on April 01, 2008, 05:41:28 PM
sir GGBR,

i'm going to Hongkong on the 3rd week of May.  i'm planning to get a preamp/di box, cables and other accessories.  what brands are available there?  tom lee hongkong's website doesn't seem to be updated. 

any inputs?  thanks!  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on April 01, 2008, 07:02:21 PM
hey thanks for the input. my choice is Fishman rare earth but im contemplating on whether to order or just buy AER. same price din.

deltaslim told me about K&K , ganda daw. woody very natural. 

THE RARE EARTH HAS A VERY GOOD RATING AND IS NON-INTRUSIVE...IT'S A CLASSIC BUT NOT INVISIBLE THOUGH.

FOR K&K, GET THE MINI WESTERN IF YOU ARE INSTALLING IN AN ACOUSTIC STEEL.

B-BAND IS ALSO EXCELLENT BUT WILL COST YOU $200+ AND IS A DUAL PICKUP AS WELL. DOES NOT USE PIEZO BUT A PROPIETARY BUBBLE FILM FOR THE UST W/ AN ACOUSTIC SOUNDBOARD TRANSDUCER. YOU WILL NEED A BLENDER PREAMP.

MAXI, I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE ON TOM LEE. I HAVE NOT BEEN THERE SINCE THE DARK AGES. NOTE THAT US-MADE ITEMS ARE MORE COSTLY IN HK VIS A VIS EUROPEAN ITEMS. CHECK THE WEB... FOR THE ABOVE BRANDS TO REFERENCE HK PRICES.

BY THE WAY, WE HAVE TIM HUGHES (COMPOSER OF "HERE I AM TO WORSHIP...HERE I AM TO BOW.....) FROM THE U.K. TO OPEN THE TENT AT ORTIGAS THIS FRIDAY....
.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on April 01, 2008, 07:08:31 PM
sir GGBR,

i'm going to Hongkong on the 3rd week of May.  i'm planning to get a preamp/di box, cables and other accessories.  what brands are available there?  tom lee hongkong's website doesn't seem to be updated. 

any inputs?  thanks!  :-)

YOU ARE WELCOME TO TRY MY PRESONUS PREAMP. VERY SIMPLE SANS THE BELLS AND WHISTLE BUT DELIVERS, PRIOR TO BUYING ANY OF THE US-HYPED BRANDS.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on April 01, 2008, 09:04:12 PM

MAXI, I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE ON TOM LEE. I HAVE NOT BEEN THERE SINCE THE DARK AGES. NOTE THAT US-MADE ITEMS ARE MORE COSTLY IN HK VIS A VIS EUROPEAN ITEMS. CHECK THE WEB... FOR THE ABOVE BRANDS TO REFERENCE HK PRICES.

BY THE WAY, WE HAVE TIM HUGHES (COMPOSER OF "HERE I AM TO WORSHIP...HERE I AM TO BOW.....) FROM THE U.K. TO OPEN THE TENT AT ORTIGAS THIS FRIDAY....
.

thanks sir GGBR!  i'll search the web for the brands you mentioned.

i'm not sure if i can make it on Friday.  i'm going to batangas and might be back in makati at around 9pm.  thanks for the invitation.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: reyban on April 16, 2008, 09:41:44 PM
One man's junk is another man's treasure...

Have been looking for a nice, affordable "beater" guitar for some time, one that I can bring along just about anywhere and not be worried a great deal about others playing it or being marred by scratches and light dents.

A few weeks ago, I chanced upon this ugly duckling at a garage sale. The moment I saw it I knew I was going to buy it - dusty sound cavity, rusty strings and all. Heck, I didn't even bother to play it. Just gave it a once-over and when I was certain there were no structural damage, I brought home an MIJ '73 Tokai Hummingbird Custom W-300...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/reyban/Tokai%20Hummingbird/TokiaHummingBirdCustomW-300001-1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/reyban/Tokai%20Hummingbird/TokiaHummingBirdCustomW-300005-1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/reyban/Tokai%20Hummingbird/TokiaHummingBirdCustomW-300009-1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/reyban/Tokai%20Hummingbird/TokiaHummingBirdCustomW-300014-1-1.jpg)

Scarred as it is, it sounds marvelous - the best sounding 70s MIJ I've played and heard. Definitely solid top (spruce) and from the way it projects, vibrates and resonates, solid back and sides as well (rosewood). Some Tokai Registry forumites speculate that this model's back and sides may even be made of...Brazilian Jacaranda. But even if it isn't, I still consider this a great catch. Got it very cheap too - Elixirs being sold in the local market cost a bit more :)

Neck angle is ok and the fret wires are as good as they can be considering the guitar's age. Strung it with a Rotosound PB Light (11-52) and it really booms! This is a real loud guitar. I expected the action to be high but to my surprise, it's just a millimeter or two higher than my preferred setup.

Can't wait to have this properly tweaked by my suking luthier and fitted with my favorite brand of strings.

Definitely ugly, yet definitely beautiful :)

Now, I still have to find a "beater" guitar...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: bluebossa on April 16, 2008, 10:35:46 PM
mga sir ano po ba type ng lr baggs na pwede sa artcore hollowbody.

yung tipong piezo pick up na ginanagamit ng contrabass players na di na kaylangan ng on board eq sa mismong guitar?

thanks po in advance :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on April 17, 2008, 12:15:31 PM
mga sir ano po ba type ng lr baggs na pwede sa artcore hollowbody.

yung tipong piezo pick up na ginanagamit ng contrabass players na di na kaylangan ng on board eq sa mismong guitar?

thanks po in advance :-)

mas mganda ang K & K pickups vs lrbaggs. If you want an UST, try the Highlander IP-52 (check the number, i am not sure of this #)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on April 17, 2008, 12:27:47 PM
One man's junk is another man's treasure...

A few weeks ago, I chanced upon this ugly duckling at a garage sale. The moment I saw it I knew I was going to buy it - dusty sound cavity, rusty strings and all. Heck, I didn't even bother to play it. Just gave it a once-over and when I was certain there were no structural damage, I brought home an MIJ '73 Tokai Hummingbird Custom W-300...

Scarred as it is, it sounds marvelous - the best sounding 70s MIJ I've played and heard. Definitely solid top (spruce) and from the way it projects, vibrates and resonates, solid back and sides as well (rosewood). Some Tokai Registry forumites speculate that this model's back and sides may even be made of...Brazilian Jacaranda. But even if it isn't, I still consider this a great catch. Got it very cheap too - Elixirs being sold in the local market cost a bit more :)

Definitely ugly, yet definitely beautiful :)

Aged guitars as such have already 'opened up' so expect an airy boom from it. The top looks cedar (which would give it a warm sound like classicals) because of the the darkened color, otherwise it must be oxidized (from age) spruce. The grains look IRW, a macro photo would reveal if it is Dalbergia Nigra. It looks beautiful!! and the sound, I would expect, as well....
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: DumbKim on April 17, 2008, 03:06:04 PM
sir question lang po...

do applause uses solid wood as top?

i.e
AE247 applause adamas holes deep bowl...

solid spruce po ba?
or laminated ang tops ng applause...

un lang po
samalat ^__^
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: bluebossa on April 17, 2008, 03:51:56 PM
mas mganda ang K & K pickups vs lrbaggs. If you want an UST, try the Highlander IP-52 (check the number, i am not sure of this #)

yung k & k po ba radius type na mic sytem? locally available ba siya?
tsaka ano po yung UST? Hehe.

may nagsuggest kasi sakin na contrabass player..tyr ko daw yung shure SM57.Balak ko kasi i-mic yung f-holes.thanks



Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on April 18, 2008, 01:29:15 AM
yung k & k po ba radius type na mic sytem? locally available ba siya?
tsaka ano po yung UST? Hehe.

may nagsuggest kasi sakin na contrabass player..tyr ko daw yung shure SM57.Balak ko kasi i-mic yung f-holes.thanks

K & K is a transducer type which you will glue to the underside of the bridge (bridgeplate). 3 pickups yan for lo/mid/hi areas ng bridge.

Ang Shure SM57 ay dynamic tight cardiode pattern microphone na ginagamit ng industry as standard for micing instruments. Highly used yan for drums.

The problem with micing a stringed instrument is 1) feedback; unless magaling ang EQ ng soundtech mo, forget about micing 2) can you imagine a mic larger than a tobacco attached to your guitar's F-hole??; unless naka steady ka lang at di ka gumagalaw while playing. 3) tight ang response ng SM57, kaya kung gumagalaw ka habang playing, at ma off-axis ang bato ng tunog ng f-hole mo, iba-iba ang mapipickup ng SM57. FORGET ABOUT micing a guitar in a regular environment!!
 



Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: DumbKim on May 09, 2008, 02:36:09 PM
Guys, ask lang po..

May Zoom 505 for acoustic po ba?

or Zoom 504II lang talga?

and how much kaya yang ganyan na 2nd hand dito sa phil..

gusto ko po sana bumili ng Zoom504 for acoustic or kung meron mang 505[heheh]


kung meron po kayo for sale.. or may alam kau...
inform niu po ako please...
budget is mga 2k cguru...
kasi may nakita ako kaso sold na 2k ata 504.
di ko sure...

sana may tumulong...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: redjaztin on May 09, 2008, 02:46:36 PM
Quote
Guys, ask lang po..

May Zoom 505 for acoustic po ba?

or Zoom 504II lang talga?

and how much kaya yang ganyan na 2nd hand dito sa phil..

gusto ko po sana bumili ng Zoom504 for acoustic or kung meron mang 505[heheh]

i had a zoom504II...for may acoustic...well natanggal lang naman yung natural sound ng acoustic ko. hehehe....kaya sa electric guitar ko nalang pinagamit sa churchmate ko. Nagpalit ako ng A2...masmaganda sya sa 504II ko. less na yung digital sounding. mas maraming tweaking at effects kang magagawa sa acoustic mo. kaya lang may hahanapin mo parin yung natural sound ng acoustic mo e. kaya balik ako sa acoustic without an affects.

suggestion lang po. pangdagdag mo nalang yan sa matinong acoustic. :D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on May 09, 2008, 04:28:19 PM
FOR K&K, GET THE MINI WESTERN IF YOU ARE INSTALLING IN AN ACOUSTIC STEEL.[/size][/color].

that's what i ordered and, finally, dadating na this month.

will be installing them in a Morris F20 (OM gtr).  if i like em, i'll buy more guitars to put em in.  ;-)

btw, in my last acoustic gig, i used Shadow quick mount transducer on the Morris.  in searching for 'better' pus, i've forgotten how competent these are.  they are MUCH BETTER THAN PIEZO by several orders of magnitude. ;-)
(http://www.jhs.co.uk/shadow/sh2000.jpg)

my fellow Jook Jam-mer ('messyhands' in this forum) built a DIY K&K clone for his 12 string.  maganda raw but i haven't heard it myself.  will report back here.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on May 09, 2008, 04:34:39 PM
@deltaslim

how much yung K&K for steel ?

ako kukuha ng shadow mo ah , just in case  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on May 09, 2008, 07:47:18 PM
@deltaslim

how much yung K&K for steel ?

ako kukuha ng shadow mo ah , just in case  :-D

$86 ung K&K Pure Western Mini.  mas mura if you try to buy seconds via eBay, which is what messyhands did.

re Shadow, tignan natin how things turn out... these are very handy to keep around tho. ;-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Poundcake on May 10, 2008, 04:53:02 AM
Holy smokes, I just tried a 12-string Martin a few days ago and it made me want to buy one! I feel like I'm being sucked into the vortex that leads to the world of acoustic guitar GAS  :-o :-o

I also got to try a Taylor 12-string T5 and while its acoustic tone does sound good, I understand that it's not a pure acoustic guitar. Which 12-string models have you tried so far? And which particular model do you guys find the best among all of those that you have tried?

DISCLAIMER: I'm only asking. I don't have plans to buy... not just yet! :lol:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on May 10, 2008, 08:02:43 AM
Holy smokes, I just tried a 12-string Martin a few days ago and it made me want to buy one! I feel like I'm being sucked into the vortex that leads to the world of acoustic guitar GAS  :-o :-o

I also got to try a Taylor 12-string T5 and while its acoustic tone does sound good, I understand that it's not a pure acoustic guitar. Which 12-string models have you tried so far? And which particular model do you guys find the best among all of those that you have tried?

DISCLAIMER: I'm only asking. I don't have plans to buy... not just yet! :lol:

i have tried the 12 string Taylor - very nice. However, I prefer the sound of the Martin and Alvarez Yairi 12 strings. I tried a Guild too but that ended being too bright for my taste. I tried a Goodall and Greenfield too were really nice and tempting. A note about Greenfields...be careful, they may induce bad, bad GAS:) I'd like a 12 string but I don't see myself using them a lot except for doubling parts, however, I am in the market for a nice baritone. I am currently having an acoustic made by luthier, Andrew White, so if that project turns out well, I would like to look into getting a baritone from him. Greenfield has a nice baritone model but they are kinda pricey so i'd have to think long and hard about that investment......with a guitar at that pricetag, I;d better be writing gigging and writing more songs than I am now to justify the cost..lol
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on May 10, 2008, 09:34:06 AM
For the country blues (Leadbelly, Blind Willie McTell, etc.) fanatics the best 12-strings are these:

(http://www.fraulini.com/models/francesca-12-front.jpg)
http://www.fraulini.com/models.html


It's reported that these sound, look, and play closest to the original Stella 12s.




Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on May 10, 2008, 09:39:42 AM
For the country blues (Leadbelly, Blind Willie McTell, etc.) fanatics the best 12-strings are these:

It's reported that these sound, look, and play closest to the original Stella 12s.






wows...that one is a looker! If it does sound like a Stella, I'd love to hear it live.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on May 10, 2008, 12:09:57 PM
wows...that one is a looker! If it does sound like a Stella, I'd love to hear it live.

I know Alvin Youngblood Hart has a Fraulina 12string. I think it's the one he uses here for, what else, a traditional tune popularized by Leadbelly.

If that doesn't convince you, well perhaps just trust that there's some iota of truth in Paul Germania's hyperbole: ""It sounds more like a Stella than a Stella!"

Nga pala... Fraulini does a Stella 12string repro:
http://www.fraulini.com/leadbelly.html
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on May 10, 2008, 12:28:46 PM
I know Alvin Youngblood Hart has a Fraulina 12string. I think it's the one he uses here for, what else, a traditional tune popularized by Leadbelly.

If that doesn't convince you, well perhaps just trust that there's some iota of truth in Paul Germania's hyperbole: ""It sounds more like a Stella than a Stella!"

Nga pala... Fraulini does a Stella 12string repro:
http://www.fraulini.com/leadbelly.html

thanks for the link! man, that was a treat. the thing certainly sounds like the stella's used in those old recordings. i've never seen a real one up close but this repro sounds awesome.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on May 10, 2008, 12:44:33 PM
thanks for the link! man, that was a treat. the thing certainly sounds like the stella's used in those old recordings. i've never seen a real one up close but this repro sounds awesome.

Your welcome, bro.

Would love to own one of these one day. Even if I wanted cheaper clones, wala din naman e. Habang nagiipon, I'll continue to build chops to live up to expectations that go with owning such an excellent and legendary instrument... all this before I announce that I'm going to New York...  ;-)  :-D   The thing with acoustics kasi is it's just you and your guitar; WYSIWIG, there's no hiding.  It's either sublime beauty or brutal honesty.  :-D

Btw, bro, if you're into custom built acoustics, I know there is a plan of a Stella floating around in the web. My friend in VA had one custom made by a luthier in Cebu. May sablay yung gawa pero up close kita mo agad ang ganda ng porma ng Stella 12 design. :-D   I think I kept a copy of the plan he emailed.  PM me your email addy.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on May 10, 2008, 02:14:28 PM
Your welcome, bro.

Would love to own one of these one day. Even if I wanted cheaper clones, wala din naman e. Habang nagiipon, I'll continue to build chops to live up to expectations that go with owning such an excellent and legendary instrument... all this before I announce that I'm going to New York...  ;-)  :-D   The thing with acoustics kasi is it's just you and your guitar; WYSIWIG, there's no hiding.  It's either sublime beauty or brutal honesty.  :-D

Btw, bro, if you're into custom built acoustics, I know there is a plan of a Stella floating around in the web. My friend in VA had one custom made by a luthier in Cebu. May sablay yung gawa pero up close kita mo agad ang ganda ng porma ng Stella 12 design. :-D   I think I kept a copy of the plan he emailed.  PM me your email addy.

i'll make sure to take a look at those plans. i've only built one acoustic so far and that was almost 10 years ago. since then, i've mainly built solidbodies but i've worked up a few ideas so maybe a stella would be a good way to get my feet wet again.

chops. yeah, it is always an ongoing process pero dahan dahan lang yan di ba? personally, i've been doing more fingerstyle these days because i don't exercise my techniques for it as much as i would like to. i write songs on acoustic but i usually perform them in a band setting with an electric. by using acoustics more i am also discovering a few bad habits that I need to change so that is yet another work in progress. i agree that the concept of WYSIWYG on acoustics really lets people see what you have to offer as a player and for songwriters performing solo, it is a great way to cut your teeth on the live circuit because you have to come up with inventive ways to keep the people interested.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on May 12, 2008, 09:24:54 AM
$86 ung K&K Pure Western Mini.  mas mura if you try to buy seconds via eBay, which is what messyhands did.

re Shadow, tignan natin how things turn out... these are very handy to keep around tho. ;-)

woah... ang mura naman ng K&K, i was expecting around $150 +

hmm.... now you got me thinking ..  :-D

re shadow, basta i'll be waiting on the side.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: DumbKim on May 17, 2008, 10:45:11 PM
Guys ask lang po...
im planning to buy[actually magtabi palang ng pambili]
 ng acoustic AMP

mga 30 watt lang po. dito nadin sa philm. kasi cant afford Bnew.

ano po ba magandang brand? and suggested model na acoustic AMP.
By the way my Guitar is applause AE247

mga magkano po kaya ang 30watt amp? pag 2nd hand dito[considering w/ good condition]

and anong amp po ba?
is it Laney acoustic amp[i.e]
? help po =(
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: borgy on May 23, 2008, 02:51:40 PM
Question.. Ok lang ba magpalit-palit ng piezo ng acoustic guitar? I mean can we just pull-out a stock pickup of a Yamaha (actiVE)  and put a fishman piezo?
Thanks
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on May 23, 2008, 03:35:44 PM
i think pwede naman. unless yung piezo mu e naka attached sa din sa saddles.

you can plug the piezo sa on-board preamp ng acoustic mo kung meron, kung wala sa end pin jack mo i aattach
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: borgy on May 24, 2008, 03:39:26 PM
Great knowledge. Thanks mr Dan :wink:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on May 25, 2008, 01:41:51 AM
unless sanay ka na gawin yan, mas safe siguro if sa luthier mo ipapagawa.  mejo delicate kasi ang acoustic guitars compared to electrics.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on May 25, 2008, 02:09:20 AM
Guys ask lang po...
im planning to buy[actually magtabi palang ng pambili]
 ng acoustic AMP

mga 30 watt lang po. dito nadin sa philm. kasi cant afford Bnew.

ano po ba magandang brand? and suggested model na acoustic AMP.
By the way my Guitar is applause AE247

mga magkano po kaya ang 30watt amp? pag 2nd hand dito[considering w/ good condition]

and anong amp po ba?
is it Laney acoustic amp[i.e]
? help po =(

since wala pang sumasagot ng tanong mo, ako na lang bro.  :-D

kung starter acoustic amp ang hanap mo, siguro pwede na yung 30-watts na Laney.  ang alam ko may nagbebenta ng Laney acoustic amp sa classifieds hanapin mo na lang.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on May 25, 2008, 07:57:57 AM
since wala pang sumasagot ng tanong mo, ako na lang bro.  :-D

kung starter acoustic amp ang hanap mo, siguro pwede na yung 30-watts na Laney.  ang alam ko may nagbebenta ng Laney acoustic amp sa classifieds hanapin mo na lang.

Isa-suggest ko sana yung Marshall ASD pero mahal bnew.  I'm selling my 100w pero ang pagpresyo ko sa kanya yung "presyong ayaw ibenta".  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: DumbKim on May 25, 2008, 02:27:52 PM
Salamat po =)

sige magiipon ako para sa 30watt na Laney Acoustic amp.

=) 100 watts? sasabog ung church namin nyan heheheh

salamat salamat salamat po
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on May 25, 2008, 08:47:31 PM
di ba pwedeng isaksak mo na lang sa sound system ng church nyo?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on May 26, 2008, 12:21:47 AM
Isa-suggest ko sana yung Marshall ASD pero mahal bnew.  I'm selling my 100w pero ang pagpresyo ko sa kanya yung "presyong ayaw ibenta".  :-D

mukhang hindi pa nya kaya ang Marshall mo financially sir delta. 

dati ko parin nakikita sa classifieds yan eh.  bakit hindi mo na lang i-retract sir?  magandang amplification yan for your new fingerstyle vids dba?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on May 26, 2008, 12:24:23 AM
di ba pwedeng isaksak mo na lang sa sound system ng church nyo?

+1 dito Kim. 

pang-church pala ang amp mo kala ko personal use lang.  mas maganda kung i-rekta mo na lang sa sound system ng church.  bili ka na lang ng DI box or acoustic effects para gumanda tunog ng acoustic mo.  mas makakatipid ka pa kesa amp ang kunin mo.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: DumbKim on May 26, 2008, 08:48:57 PM
Pwede po ba ung dalawang acoustic sa isang d.i/sound system?

tanong ko nga po sa kanila,

sabi kasi

Bili daw ako amp =0

ok cge po try ko,

magkano ba ung d.i?

may d.i ba na pwedeng dalwanga acoustic ang naka saksak?
or isang d.i sa isang acoustic? then nakasaksak sa sound system 2 acoustic na may tig isang d.i?
dalawang acoustic po kasi sa church, 1 is akin.
direct noh? na parang mic lang.
salamat sa mga reply =)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on May 26, 2008, 09:32:51 PM
direct boxes?

try this for 2 inputs, 2 outputs. available locally to... gusto ko nga bumili nito eh to maximize the stereo outs of my chorus.
http://www.behringer.com/DI20/index.cfm?lang=ENG

eto pa
http://www.behringer.com/ADI21/index.cfm?lang=ENG
acoustic preamp+direct box. i might get one soon...

eto rin available at the music source <i own one, closest thing to a boss direct box which i like very much>
http://www.artproaudio.com/products.asp?type=90&cat=13&id=102

lr baggs is on my wishing well list. heheh. cheers!

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on May 26, 2008, 10:32:17 PM
Kim, try mo rin yung Samson DI Plus.  available sya sa Audiophile.  2 inputs din.  ang alam ko almost the same price with Behringer (if not a little cheaper).

@strummer:

san available yung ART bro?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on May 26, 2008, 11:00:50 PM
Pwede po ba ung dalawang acoustic sa isang d.i/sound system?

ANG DIRECT INJECTION BOX (DI BOX) AY ONE IS TO ONE....ONE INPUT THAT CAN BE SPLIT TO LINE OUT (TO YOUR COMBO AMP) AND/OR XLR (BALANCED OUTPUT) TO THE MIXER.

MERON DI BOX THAT HAS SEVERAL INs/OUTs - 4 IN/4 OUT OR 8 IN/ 8 OUT. PWEDE KANG MAGPAGAWA HANGGANG ILAN NA KAILANGAN MO.... but YOU DO NOT GET TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY IN YOUR STAGE MOVEMENT KUNG LAHAT AY NASA ISANG PHYSICAL BOX. IMAGINE TWO GUITAR PLAYERS CONNECTED TO ONE 4" X 2" BOX ON STAGE IN THE BIG DOME.
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Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on May 26, 2008, 11:14:20 PM
Question.. Ok lang ba magpalit-palit ng piezo ng acoustic guitar? I mean can we just pull-out a stock pickup of a Yamaha (actiVE)  and put a fishman piezo?
Thanks

YES YOU CAN CHANGE AS MANY TIMES AS YOU LIKE BUT!!... UNDER THE SADDLE TRANSDUCERS (UST) HAVE DIFFERENT HEIGHTS.... IF YOU INSTALL A TALLER ONE THAN THE ONE YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY INSTALLED... YOU WOULD HAVE A HIGHER ACTION. IF YOU INSTALL A SHORTER...THEN CORRESPONDINGLY WILL LOWER THE ACTION..... IN OTHER WORDS YOU WILL HAVE TO SHIM OR SHAVE OFF THE BOTTOM OF YOUR PLASTIC/BONE SADDLE TO MAINTAIN YOUR ACTION.

ANOTHER THING TO WATCH OUT FOR IS THE WIDTH (THICKNESS)...MOST SADDLE SLOTS ARE EITHER 3/32" OR 1/8"...SO CHOOSE YOUR UST TO FIT YOUR SADDLE SLOT WIDTH (AS WELL AS THE LENGHT!!)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on May 26, 2008, 11:24:22 PM
+1 dito Kim. 

pang-church pala ang amp mo kala ko personal use lang.  mas maganda kung i-rekta mo na lang sa sound system ng church.  bili ka na lang ng DI box or acoustic effects para gumanda tunog ng acoustic mo.  mas makakatipid ka pa kesa amp ang kunin mo.

IT IS NOT ADVISABLE TO PLUG (1/4 PL) YOUR GUITAR DIRECT TO THE CHURCH MIXER. IBA ANG LINE LEVEL (PL TO PL)  SA BALANCED (XLR) INPUT. KAILANGAN MA 'TRANSFORM' ANG LINE (UNBALANCED) TO BALANCED MIC SIGNAL LEVEL (XLR) USING A DI BOX.  
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on May 27, 2008, 12:52:31 AM
Kim, try mo rin yung Samson DI Plus.  available sya sa Audiophile.  2 inputs din.  ang alam ko almost the same price with Behringer (if not a little cheaper).

@strummer:

san available yung ART bro?

got mine from the music source sa may edsa branch. great buy!!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on May 27, 2008, 08:45:44 AM
got mine from the music source sa may edsa branch. great buy!!

san sa edsa to bro?  wala talaga akong idea eh.  and how much ba?  thanks!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on May 27, 2008, 08:54:39 AM
IT IS NOT ADVISABLE TO PLUG (1/4 PL) YOUR GUITAR DIRECT TO THE CHURCH MIXER. IBA ANG LINE LEVEL (PL TO PL)  SA BALANCED (XLR) INPUT. KAILANGAN MA 'TRANSFORM' ANG LINE (UNBALANCED) TO BALANCED MIC SIGNAL LEVEL (XLR) USING A DI BOX.  

sir GGBR, are ART DI boxes any good?  comparable to Boss?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on May 27, 2008, 09:36:31 AM
sir GGBR, are ART DI boxes any good?  comparable to Boss?

Boss is not known for DIs, ART makes good preamps/DIs. hearing an A-B actual test would be the best way to judge.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on May 27, 2008, 10:08:20 AM
Boss is not known for DIs, ART makes good preamps/DIs. hearing an A-B actual test would be the best way to judge.

thanks!  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on May 27, 2008, 10:14:59 AM
Boss is not known for DIs, ART makes good preamps/DIs. hearing an A-B actual test would be the best way to judge.

i personally liked the boss di box for the features. halos lahat ng features nasa art except for the 1/4 plug na balanced out. i dont hear any difference in sound. impedance matching lang naman ginagawa so i dont give much fuzz about it lalo sa acoustic guitar ko lang naman siya ginagamit.

btw have you guys seen acoustic preamps locally available? aside from the behringer of course



@ maxi...
malapit lang siya sa sm north banda, going north left side siya before munoz. i think there's a forumite here from the company. the music source/ tms yung name niya dito

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on May 27, 2008, 10:28:54 AM
btw have you guys seen acoustic preamps locally available? aside from the behringer of course

@ maxi...
malapit lang siya sa sm north banda, going north left side siya before munoz. i think there's a forumite here from the company. the music source/ tms yung name niya dito

ah ok..pero around how much ba ang price nya?  ang Boss DI alam ko mga 6k-7k eh.

as for acoustic preamps, i don't think there are other brands locally available aside from the behringer.  order ka na lang either kina BossingBoss or captainsatch.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on May 27, 2008, 10:43:27 AM
ah ok..pero around how much ba ang price nya?  ang Boss DI alam ko mga 6k-7k eh.

as for acoustic preamps, i don't think there are other brands locally available aside from the behringer.  order ka na lang either kina BossingBoss or captainsatch.

di ko na maalala how much bro. contact mo na lang. honga ala masyado acoustic preamps. i myt have to settle for the behringer. mukhang okey naman eh. heheh
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: kayo2jp on May 27, 2008, 10:49:22 AM
Try research sa Harmony Central (reviews) then, kay Bossing Boss. :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on May 27, 2008, 11:06:24 AM
di ko na maalala how much bro. contact mo na lang. honga ala masyado acoustic preamps. i myt have to settle for the behringer. mukhang okey naman eh. heheh

preamp lang ba talaga gusto mo bro?  maganda ang reviews sa Zoom A2.  mas maganda daw compared sa 504II acoustic.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on May 27, 2008, 12:15:52 PM
sir GGBR, are ART DI boxes any good?  comparable to Boss?

Sori Maxi, we have not encountered use of ART nor Boss... what we have been using are Klark Teknik, Presonus, Radial, ProCo and Whirlwind and I think we have an Avalon....

What is critical is that you find out the output impedance your pickup (active, piezo, condenser mic, etc.., etc.) generates and match the input impedance range of the DI you intend to use.

Remember that there are two basic DI types - ACTIVE and PASSIVE. Active uses electronics (powered externally- phantom/AC Adaptor or by internal battery) to transform input to the correct XLR output to match with the mixer's. The passive uses transformers to achieve the matching.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on May 27, 2008, 12:27:28 PM
Two quotes from a U.S. forum of FOH techs which I feel are noteworthy, especially if you do short-cuts by using a converted cable such as--- PL plug-to-XLR plug...

"Be careful. Some balanced TRS outputs may not take kindly to being fed phantom power, if your mixer doesn't have individual switches for each channels power but you're using phantom for condensors / DIs or whatever then you could be in for some interesting, and potentially expensive, moments.

I'd use a DI."
_________________________________________

"I tend to like to use passive direct boxes for a number of purposes:

1. To electrically isolate the stage gear from the mixer in order to safely prevent potential ground loops, that is without using ground prong "lifters" which are NEVER recommended.

2. To isolate the destination from RF contamination that could have been picked up by the instrument and/or the cable. (MAXI, YOU WILL HAVE EXPERIENCED THIS WHILE PLAYING YOUR ACOUSTIC IN THE HIGHER FLOORS OF BUILDINGS)

3. A passive direct box provides a very high impedance load to the source, as well as a very low driving impedance to the mixer, both of which help preserve the bandwidth and dynamics of the instrument, as well as providing an impedance balanced line.

Having said this, it is important to be sure that you use GOOD transformers, such as Jensen (Radial uses them in their JDI), or Lundahl. Also Radial has some fairly good transformers in their Pro series direct boxes. This is important because cheap transformers can essentially neuter the sound of the source, leaving it dull, thin, compressed, lifeless, etc. In other words, not all direct boxes are created equal.

As far as active units go, they also provide very high input impedances, which can be helpful for sensitive guitar pickups. Power, usually phantom, is required, and they can add noise if the circuitry is not very clean. Again, quality is important." [/size]
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: DumbKim on May 27, 2008, 01:46:34 PM
WOW, =)

pinagpapala ako sa tulong ng mga tao dito =)

maraming salamat PM people =)

ayun, ngaun nasagot na ang katanungan ko...

meron na akong 2k in hand sa tingin ko onti nalang iipunin ko ano?

magkano po ba to?

http://www.behringer.com/DI20/index.cfm?lang=ENG

yan...

=)

ang hirap ng buhay mahirap hahahahahah

=)

salamat sa lahat
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on May 27, 2008, 03:29:28 PM
Kim, hindi ko alam kung magkano ang behringer di box na yan.  tingin ka na lang sa mga behringer stores.

there are also cheap di boxes available in Audiophile.

ito yung dual inputs. - around 2,400 ang price
http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1754&brandID=2

ito yung single input lang. - around 1,900 ang price
http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1603&brandID=2
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: DumbKim on May 27, 2008, 06:25:32 PM
Kim, hindi ko alam kung magkano ang behringer di box na yan.  tingin ka na lang sa mga behringer stores.

there are also cheap di boxes available in Audiophile.

ito yung dual inputs. - around 2,400 ang price
http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1754&brandID=2

ito yung single input lang. - around 1,900 ang price
http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1603&brandID=2

salamat sir maxi_musikero =)

geh buy ako sa monday,

maganda po yan ha =)

and nga pala, is it the d.i or my guitar?
i mean di kasi sya na ganun na brilliant i mean naging bassy ung tunog, pag nakasak sak, makalansing, pero di ung kalansing na hinahanap hanap ko =)
ung parang kalansing ng gitara sa till i see you -hillsong mga ganun XD
im currently using light gauge string[d'addario]
what if mag palit po ako ng extra light?
maganda kya? o magtunog electric guitar gitara ko sobrang nipis[lata?]

un lang po...

salamat sa lahat ng tumulong =)

tapos na problema ni kim heheh

Godbless all
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on May 27, 2008, 07:51:42 PM
maganda po yan ha =)

and nga pala, is it the d.i or my guitar?
i mean di kasi sya na ganun na brilliant i mean naging bassy ung tunog, pag nakasak sak, makalansing, pero di ung kalansing na hinahanap hanap ko =)
ung parang kalansing ng gitara sa till i see you -hillsong mga ganun XD
im currently using light gauge string[d'addario]
what if mag palit po ako ng extra light?
maganda kya? o magtunog electric guitar gitara ko sobrang nipis[lata?]


wala akong first-hand experience sa mga DI na yan bro...word of mouth lang din.  buti pa siguro bago ka bumili, magtry ka muna para malaman mo kung ano ang effect nya sa tone mo.

malaki talagang factor ang guitar construction sa overall tone nya.  kung Applause ang guitar mo, alam naman natin na entry-level yan diba?  so don't expect too much brilliance.  pwede luminis ang tunog mo with the DI but if ganyan ang guitar mo, you might want to consider buying acoustic effects.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: DumbKim on May 27, 2008, 08:42:07 PM
nakakahiya kasi magtrytry heheh =)
anyway cge gagawin ko yan  ^___^
then balitaan nalang kita ano nangyari heheh...

ano ung entry-level?
hmmm, siguru nga, sabagay d ba subbrand lang ang applause ng ovation?
=) nainggit lang siguro ako sa tunog nung larrive na acoustic saka yamaha apx sa church sa pasig.
ung AEL din pala, AEG ata ung ng ibanez.

anyway, balak ko nga din bumili kahit zoom504 lang, may nakausap kasi ako taga dito, hinihintay ko lang ung backpay ko XD
pede ba un

Guitar - Zoom504 - Di > Sound System ?

di po ba madadagdagan ung kalansing if mag extra light ako?
any bad experiences sa extra light d'addario?
gusto kong subukan, kaso baka pumangit tunog =(
sayang P350.00 heheheh

Sir Max salamat pala sa pagtulong ^__^
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on May 27, 2008, 10:08:28 PM
Guitar - Zoom504 - Di > Sound System ?

di po ba madadagdagan ung kalansing if mag extra light ako?
any bad experiences sa extra light d'addario?

i don't recommend the 504II acoustic...digitized masyado ang tunog nya.  you have to do a lot of tweaking para hindi maging tunog digital.  kung ako sayo, mag-ipon ka pa ng konti para makakuha ka ng Zoom A2.  mas maganda daw ang reviews dun and may XLR out yun...which means it can also act as a DI box.

d'addario exp extra light ang gamit ko...ok naman yung tunog and matibay.  i haven't tried any other d'addario aside from the EXP.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: DumbKim on May 29, 2008, 03:06:36 PM
i don't recommend the 504II acoustic...digitized masyado ang tunog nya.  you have to do a lot of tweaking para hindi maging tunog digital.  kung ako sayo, mag-ipon ka pa ng konti para makakuha ka ng Zoom A2.  mas maganda daw ang reviews dun and may XLR out yun...which means it can also act as a DI box.

d'addario exp extra light ang gamit ko...ok naman yung tunog and matibay.  i haven't tried any other d'addario aside from the EXP.

Ganun ho ba,
buti nalang sinabi mo,
zoom a2 ung green diba?
cge cge un nalang,

Try ko din ung d ada na extra light exp pag palit ko,
sana di ako magsisi heheh, sana bumagay sa gitara

salamat na marami '',
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on June 04, 2008, 12:06:11 AM
hey guys do you have schematics for direct box/ preamp for acoustics? heheh. im planning to have one made kasi... heheh
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: borgy on June 04, 2008, 02:49:55 AM
I was in a hunt for a really good acoustic-electric guitar for the past 10 months. I tried several larrivees, Taylor, martin and newer Gibson models at Long and Macquade and Tom Lee considering a budget of 2-2.5 only. Brand new price causes  always an aversion in buying.
Then this baby popped-up in Craigslist. Blue book lists it at 1500-1900  used(excellent condish) and MSR in 1998 was 2700.

(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p276/gibbyblues/IMG_0537.jpg)

This is a Gibson EC-30 Blues King Electro made between 94-98. Mine came from the last batch of 1998 . The newer model is now the J185.
Anyway, quoting Gibson's site, this guitar " comes equipped with a high quality saddle transducer pick-up and "Pre-Fix" pre-amp, with onboard controls, giving players from all genres full command of their sound. Controls include volume, brilliance, treble, contour, bass frequency, notch, and a phase switch.  And complementing this are an Ebony bridge, bound Ebony fingerboard with Mother of Pearl parallelogram inlay, a bound headstock and gold tuners". Mine comes in black.
The neck feels like a 58 Historic ( which I like). Comparing this to a Taylor 615ce, I would say that the unplugged sound of the EC30 is a notch louder and more balanced comparable to a Gibson SJ200. Though I admire more the very simple yet nice Expression system of the Taylor, I could mix and match the onboard controls of the EC30 to get the tone that I want.

I am very excited to plug it into a higher model acoustic amp. I am currently using a Fender 30w acoustasonic and overwhelmed by the sound.
Thanks for viewing. :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 06, 2008, 11:24:22 PM
congrats on the great find bro!  definitely a beauty.  i've tried the Gibson's at Tom Lee HK and they give off good volume and tone.  i prefer the Martins personally but i like the Gibsons better than the Taylors.  :-)

if you're planning to get a high-end acoustic amp, i suggest you pay Tom Lee HK a visit.  their prices are slightly lower than US prices.  the salesman in the acoustic section mentioned that they might have a summer sale come july or august.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: abyssinianson on June 07, 2008, 01:05:22 AM
congrats on the great find bro!  definitely a beauty.  i've tried the Gibson's at Tom Lee HK and they give off good volume and tone.  i prefer the Martins personally but i like the Gibsons better than the Taylors.  :-)

if you're planning to get a high-end acoustic amp, i suggest you pay Tom Lee HK a visit.  their prices are slightly lower than US prices.  the salesman in the acoustic section mentioned that they might have a summer sale come july or august.

does Tom Lee charge tax separately or is stuff sold using the VAT system?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: borgy on June 07, 2008, 03:14:59 PM
congrats on the great find bro!  definitely a beauty.  i've tried the Gibson's at Tom Lee HK and they give off good volume and tone.  i prefer the Martins personally but i like the Gibsons better than the Taylors.  :-)

if you're planning to get a high-end acoustic amp, i suggest you pay Tom Lee HK a visit.  their prices are slightly lower than US prices.  the salesman in the acoustic section mentioned that they might have a summer sale come july or august.

Thanks. Medyo malayo na sakin ang Tom Lee HK eh. I m hunting for a AER para portable.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 08, 2008, 12:27:12 AM
does Tom Lee charge tax separately or is stuff sold using the VAT system?

i'm not too sure about this...but my receipts don't show any amount for VAT.  only the list price of the item bought.  i'm not sure if i can assume that the VAT is imputed already in the list price.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 08, 2008, 12:42:21 AM
Thanks. Medyo malayo na sakin ang Tom Lee HK eh. I hunting for a AER para portable.

san ka ba based bro?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: borgy on June 08, 2008, 02:03:59 AM
@ maximusikero:
I am based here in Vancouver.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 08, 2008, 09:39:41 AM
i'm not too sure about this...but my receipts don't show any amount for VAT.  only the list price of the item bought.  i'm not sure if i can assume that the VAT is imputed already in the list price.

Did you say Tom Lee HK? ---- HK? Tax?? VAT??

They must now have taxes in Sing as well?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 08, 2008, 11:29:24 PM
@ maximusikero:
I am based here in Vancouver.  :-D

oh ok!  i thought you were just in the Asian region.   :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on June 09, 2008, 08:47:58 AM
UPDATE:

Nakabit na yung K&K Pure Western-Mini transducers sa Morris F20 ko!  Mang Raul helped me install it (but wasn't that complicated naman pala).  The hardest part was drilling the hole for the endpin/jack.  I actually had to rout a hole twice as big as my largest drill bit!  Yikes!

I like the tone -- definitely sounds better than piezo and a little better than the Shadow.  More importantly, it's now a plug and play guitar and I don't have to worry about any attachments or add'l micing.  The sound is pretty full and strong from bass to highs, but I need to give it a full workout before I give a proper review.  I'll make a soundclip din so you guys can judge for yourself (we all have different ears and tastes).

I'm already searching for another acoustic but I'm thinking of trying the locally available brands first because, as Mang Raul, pointed out, simple lang naman construction nung transducer designs like K&K. The transducers themselves are cheap and readily available locally. In fact, I'm sure Mang Raul can jig up an exact replica of the K&K!  (Hmmm... sabihin ko nga i-business nya).  But I'll also look at the other options suggested by sir Chito (AER, Artec, etc.).  Back-read and reresearch muna ako habang wala pang new-old guitar, hehe.


EDIT:  Here's a link to the rough soundclips (done w/ mVoice app on Treo 650)

http://tinyurl.com/5k8ntf
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: chito_eoi on June 09, 2008, 08:54:36 AM
I'm sure Mang Raul can jig up an exact replica of the K&K!  (Hmmm... sabihin ko nga i-business nya). 

hmmm... sana mag materialize tong idea mo brother Joric. Ill be the first one to buy that Mojo!

btw. congrats sa bagong p-ups  :wink:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 09, 2008, 10:41:36 AM
UPDATE:

Nakabit na yung K&K Pure Western-Mini transducers sa Morris F20 ko! 

I like the tone -- definitely sounds better than piezo and a little better than the Shadow.  More importantly, it's now a plug and play guitar and I don't have to worry about any attachments or add'l micing.  The sound is pretty full and strong from bass to highs, but I need to give it a full workout before I give a proper review. 

I' The transducers themselves are cheap and readily available locally. In fact, I'm sure Mang Raul can jig up an exact replica of the K&K!  (Hmmm... sabihin ko nga i-business nya).  But I'll also look at the other options suggested by sir Chito (AER, Artec, etc.).  Back-read and reresearch muna ako habang wala pang new-old guitar, hehe.

That's great that you've installed the K & K! Reviews have it as one of the most natural sounding signals among the top brands (Highlander (another top-rate), LR Baggs, B-Band and D-Tar...).

Until you've heard that then there would really be no comparison to be able to talk about the 'quaky' piezo sound. Many pick up sets have now incorporated an internal condenser mic which contribute the more natural wood sound of the bout's internal chamber. Some of these pickups are AER's AK-15+, ARTECs 'EDGE' series (check out artecsound.com very inexpensive BUT highly rated in Harmony Central)...

The mini Western has a slightly lower signal than the Pure Western due to the foil strip that you need to install between the bridge plate and the mini itself. But still the sound is most natural.

You may want to also combine with the FunstaSTICK UST and the internal mic then out it to the Trinity blender.  They have a recently released tube preamp (name slips my mind) which sells for more than $600. I believe it employs two 12AX7s. I would go for that preamp. Then you can experiment with your Shuagang or EI tubes.

Now if you want to get serious on your preamp purchase, then the way to go is Pendulum Audio's SPS-1. You'll have to save some for this!

I've replaced the standard Ruby tube with a Tung Sol (which you have mentioned to me prior) on my tube preamp and the sound was found to be 'exciting' by those who've tried it.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 09, 2008, 06:18:12 PM
WOW, =)
meron na akong 2k in hand sa tingin ko onti nalang iipunin ko ano?

magkano po ba to?
ang hirap ng buhay mahirap hahahahahah
salamat sa lahat

Ang laman ng mga commercially sold DI box ay 3 or 4 na mga resistor/capacitor lang!! Ang nagpapamahal ay yung metal box nya at yung mga jacks (PL/XLR).

Kung pipiliin mo yung mga hi end DI's, ang ngapapamahal dun ay yung transformers nya. Usually ang transformer ay made by Jensen who is known to make very good components kaya mataas ang price. A cheap DI can be made by any knowledgeable electronic tech. Remember HI-Z to LO-Z lang naman ang ginagawa nyan.

Now, the effect on your sound is another factor.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 09, 2008, 10:04:05 PM
UPDATE:

EDIT:  Here's a link to the rough soundclips (done w/ mVoice app on Treo 650)

http://tinyurl.com/5k8ntf


congrats on the new pickup!  :-)

GGBR gives good advice as he has extensive knowledge on acoustics.  so if he says it's good, it's REALLY good.

on the soundclip, how exactly was this captured?  the signal wasn't very clear and i doubt that is the true sound of the K & K.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on June 09, 2008, 11:48:00 PM
congrats on the new pickup!  :-)

GGBR gives good advice as he has extensive knowledge on acoustics.  so if he says it's good, it's REALLY good.

true that. but it was my friend 'messyhands' who turned me on to K&K, we've both been searching high and low for a solution. in this case, credit goes to him.  i am learning a lot of other great stuff from Chito too tho.

Quote
on the soundclip, how exactly was this captured?  the signal wasn't very clear and i doubt that is the true sound of the K & K.

as mentioned above, it was recorded with a Treo 650's built-in mic and using the mVoice software.  both hw/sw are optimized for voice so it's not the ideal or best recording solution.  i think medyo humina na rin yung volume ng mic over time eh. 

i don't know that the K&K has a "true sound". shouldn't the sound be that of the guitar (through the K&K). ;-)     ... unless meron iniimpose na 'tone signature' ang K&K that you like and are after.  all the soundclips i've heard of it don't seem to indicate there's a "true K&K sound" per se. 

anyway, FWIW recording lang yan.  my mention of the recording setup was supposed to be the caveat to readers.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: af_villaruel on June 10, 2008, 01:23:55 AM
pwedeng maki-join sa acoustic club? hehehehe.

i'm mainly an acoustic guitar player. i've used an ovation celebrity and a couple of ibanezes before. in the pursuit of "true" acoustic tone, i ended up with this very recent purchase:

(http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd226/unangbilog/101_2765.jpg)

it's an EGIMA 000-18 acoustic guitar.

anyway, since it doesn't have pickups (piezo or otherwise) nor a preamp, AND i'd like to use it plugged in a live setting, i don't really know of my options with regards to pickups/preamps.

if u'd indulge my lack of knowledge on this matter, i'd like you to suggest me a pickup+preamp system. the seller of the guitar offered me a fishman classic 4t piezo+preamp+tuner system kaya lang the preamp has to be routed sa body. sana ung hindi destructive.

as for the budget limit, i think i have around 4-5k for the system.

thanks!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: af_villaruel on June 10, 2008, 01:32:16 AM
i forgot to mention, undersaddle piezos are a bit too bright (if not tinny) for my taste. or maybe it's just because of the quality of the ones i've used, i wouldn't know. i'd like to capture the woody sound sana nung guitar. but if there are undersaddle piezos that could capture that sound, feel free to hit me up.

btw, i find deltaslim's shadow transducer quite appealing.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on June 10, 2008, 07:16:53 AM
btw, i find deltaslim's shadow transducer quite appealing.


alwyn - nagpapagawa na ako ng K&K clone. it's 3 disc transducers under the bridge connected directly to a the endpin output jack.  hintayin mo na lang yun, mas mura yun.

kung nagmamadali ka, try mo yung suggestion ni GGBR for locally available options: AER, Artec, etc.  kung oorder online, dami mo options.


ps - i was eyeing that Egima. di lang kami makapag-set ng good sked nung seller kasi ang layo nya sa akin.  anyway, first call ako kung sakali ibenta mo ah?  hehe... pero suggest ko ikeep mo na yan. :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 10, 2008, 10:20:37 AM
as mentioned above, it was recorded with a Treo 650's built-in mic and using the mVoice software.  both hw/sw are optimized for voice so it's not the ideal or best recording solution.  i think medyo humina na rin yung volume ng mic over time eh. 

anyway, FWIW recording lang yan.  my mention of the recording setup was supposed to be the caveat to readers.

sorry if my question was wrong.  :-D

what i meant was.. "Where did you plug your guitar?"  i knew that it was recorded using the Treo's built-in mic but to hear the effect of the K&K, it should be plugged right?   :-)

i don't know that the K&K has a "true sound". shouldn't the sound be that of the guitar (through the K&K). ;-)     ... unless meron iniimpose na 'tone signature' ang K&K that you like and are after.  all the soundclips i've heard of it don't seem to indicate there's a "true K&K sound" per se. 


as for the true K&K sound, i received a demo soundclip of the K&K Trinity System.  when i heard it, the only thing i said was.."Now THAT is acoustic!"  based on this, i assumed that your pick-up will sound similar to the transducer of this system. :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: af_villaruel on June 10, 2008, 01:29:24 PM

alwyn - nagpapagawa na ako ng K&K clone. it's 3 disc transducers under the bridge connected directly to a the endpin output jack.  hintayin mo na lang yun, mas mura yun.

kung nagmamadali ka, try mo yung suggestion ni GGBR for locally available options: AER, Artec, etc.  kung oorder online, dami mo options.


ps - i was eyeing that Egima. di lang kami makapag-set ng good sked nung seller kasi ang layo nya sa akin.  anyway, first call ako kung sakali ibenta mo ah?  hehe... pero suggest ko ikeep mo na yan. :-D

sir joric, saan ka nagpagawa? understanding ko is that it's a passive system kung ganun. so i'll be needing a preamp before a D.I.?

i was thinking to order online nga. kaso matagal pa ang dating. may shipping costs pa so i might end up spending more.

okay nga ung egima. it has a smaller body so less boom... pero amazing naman ang clarity niya. medyo midrangey pero i think you could expect that from 000-18's. the wood has really broken in so the guitar has its own character na. nails that late 70's folk rock james taylor-ish tone.

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 10, 2008, 02:29:38 PM
understanding ko is that it's a passive system kung ganun. so i'll be needing a preamp before a D.I.?

i was thinking to order online nga. kaso matagal pa ang dating. may shipping costs pa so i might end up spending more.

yup sir joric's K & K is a passive system.  yes, you will be needing a preamp BUT no longer a DI.  the only reason why you will get a DI is to convert your unbalanced 1/4 input jack to a balanced XLR.  acoustic preamps already have that feature.  search online for good acoustic preamps.   :-)

there are forumites here who have contacts in the US and ship items here.  they quote you a price which is all-inclusive and they will deliver the items to you.  look for BossingBoss and Captain Satch in the Classifieds.  :-)

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on June 10, 2008, 06:14:28 PM
sorry if my question was wrong.  :-D

what i meant was.. "Where did you plug your guitar?"  i knew that it was recorded using the Treo's built-in mic but to hear the effect of the K&K, it should be plugged right?   :-)

as for the true K&K sound, i received a demo soundclip of the K&K Trinity System.  when i heard it, the only thing i said was.."Now THAT is acoustic!"  based on this, i assumed that your pick-up will sound similar to the transducer of this system. :-)

oh, sorry for the ommission.  i plugged into a Roland Micro-Cube amp on the Acoustic setting.  the Treo recorded the sound from the speakers of the Micro-Cube (ie, not DI).  i tested my fon mic and am pretty sure it's the culprit (or the recording/conversion software).

the Trinity is a higher-end and 'more complete'  system (eg, the condenser mic, preamp, etc.).  K&K is the cheaper and least complicated alternative that's why it's appealing to a lazy cheapskate like me.   but let's check the math:

Trinity = $292, Pure Western Mini = $86

The way I see it, I can't imagine the Trinity being 3x better than the Pure Western Mini.

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 10, 2008, 07:03:07 PM
oh, sorry for the ommission.  i plugged into a Roland Micro-Cube amp on the Acoustic setting.  the Treo recorded the sound from the speakers of the Micro-Cube (ie, not DI).  i tested my fon mic and am pretty sure it's the culprit (or the recording/conversion software).

oohh..most probably it's the mic.   :-)

the Trinity is a higher-end and 'more complete'  system (eg, the condenser mic, preamp, etc.).  K&K is the cheaper and least complicated alternative that's why it's appealing to a lazy cheapskate like me.   but let's check the math:

Trinity = $292, Pure Western Mini = $86

The way I see it, I can't imagine the Trinity being 3x better than the Pure Western Mini.

you got a K & K sir joric!  that doesn't make you a lazy cheapskate in my books.  :-D

both systems are from K & K so i'm sure they are both more than adequate.  if you want, i can email you that demo soundclip i mentioned.  maybe you already have an idea whom it came from.  very detailed demo..it highlighted each component of the Trinity system separately.  just pm me your addy and i'll send it later tonight.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on June 10, 2008, 07:10:55 PM
oohh..most probably it's the mic.   :-)

yeah. if i find the time, i'll record with the vidcam. it has a better mic.  i'm also looking to buy a USB mic eh.  hopefully this week...


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you got a K & K sir joric!  that doesn't make you a lazy cheapskate in my books.  :-D

both systems are from K & K so i'm sure they are both more than adequate.  if you want, i can email you that demo soundclip i mentioned.  maybe you already have an idea whom it came from.  very detailed demo..it highlighted each component of the Trinity system separately.  just pm me your addy and i'll send it later tonight.  :-)

uhm, i've got bad memory.  please email anyway to deltaslim@gmail.com.  thanks!

of course if i have more money i'd get a better system.  i just don't feel the price difference justifies it.  maybe if and when i'm the best and most famous musician playing the best gigs on a regular basis, pwede na. :-D  for now, this is what i deserve.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on June 11, 2008, 01:03:03 AM

alwyn - nagpapagawa na ako ng K&K clone. it's 3 disc transducers under the bridge connected directly to a the endpin output jack.  hintayin mo na lang yun, mas mura yun.

kung nagmamadali ka, try mo yung suggestion ni GGBR for locally available options: AER, Artec, etc.  kung oorder online, dami mo options.


ps - i was eyeing that Egima. di lang kami makapag-set ng good sked nung seller kasi ang layo nya sa akin.  anyway, first call ako kung sakali ibenta mo ah?  hehe... pero suggest ko ikeep mo na yan. :-D

hep hep hep... pasabit!!! heheh
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 11, 2008, 07:10:05 AM
sir joric, email sent.  let me know what you think.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on June 11, 2008, 12:16:10 PM
delta..

update mo ako ah... sa "mang raul ducers"  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 11, 2008, 01:23:39 PM
quick question:

may problema yung electronics ng acoustic ko.  if i remember correctly, may nagrerepair sa AP main.  i just forgot the name.  does anyone know him?

thanks!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: af_villaruel on June 11, 2008, 01:51:45 PM
alwyn - nagpapagawa na ako ng K&K clone. it's 3 disc transducers under the bridge connected directly to a the endpin output jack.  hintayin mo na lang yun, mas mura yun.

if i may be so bold, i'd like to suggest a shootout between the k&k and the raul-ducer clone. who knows if all goes well, we might have mang raul suddenly mass producing his work. :)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on June 11, 2008, 02:02:36 PM
if i may be so bold, i'd like to suggest a shootout between the k&k and the raul-ducer clone. who knows if all goes well, we might have mang raul suddenly mass producing his work. :)

ok sa akin ito.. hehehe now I've got a reason not to order K&K hehehe
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 11, 2008, 03:03:31 PM
quick question:

may problema yung electronics ng acoustic ko.  if i remember correctly, may nagrerepair sa AP main.  i just forgot the name.  does anyone know him?

thanks!

si mang bert pala.  ok na to.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on June 11, 2008, 08:44:00 PM
raul ducer... sama kow!!!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 11, 2008, 10:23:50 PM
If you feel that you have a lot of time in your hands or would like to experiment here's how to build you own transducer (with an intro)...

Piezo Materials and Instrument Pickups

A piezo transducer is a pickup that uses some sort of piezoelectric material to convert sound (pressure) energy into electrical energy.  Simply put, a piezo material is any material that will generate an electrical charge when mechanically deformed.

There are four types of piezo materials used in the manufacture of instrument transducers - lead zirconate titanate (PZT) ceramic chips, PZT ceramic bender discs, polyvinylidene fluoride (PVDF) plastic film, and PVDF coaxial (coax) cable.  PZT chips find their way into what are now old style under saddle guitar transducers, transducers for various bowed instruments, and manufactured arched top guitar and mandolin bridges.  PZT discs consist of PZT material bonded to thin brass disks, and are commonly used for soundboard pickups for flat top guitars and for bridge-mounted pickups for upright basses.  PVDF film may be found in all sorts of transducers from under saddle guitar transducers to under-bridge-foot transducers for bass viols.  PVDF coax cable is manufactured just like the single conductor shielded cable used to make instrument cables, except that instead of an insulating material between the center conductor and the outer shielding braid, PVDF material is used there.  It is used in manufactured under saddle pickups for acoustic guitars and is the material that will be used to construct a transducer in this project.

All of these piezo materials have physical and electrical characteristics which make them suitable for extremely high fidelity transducers for musical instruments, a fact which is belied by the rather humble applications to which these materials are often applied.  PZT ceramic chips are used to make the igniters for gas barbecue grills and camping lanterns.  PZT disks are probably most frequently used as cheap buzzers in electronic devices and as microphones and speakers in telephones.  And the piezo coax cable used in the transducer in this article is most often found buried in the road to let automated traffic lights know when a car is approaching.  Again, although used for a wide variety of applications, these materials are no less suitable for the high fidelity application of musical instrument pickup.

Pickup Placement

To make a pickup for a musical instrument, two wires are connected to a piezo material.  The resulting element is mounted so that sound from the instrument causes the material to deform, producing an electrical signal which varies in proportion to the deforming vibrations.  Pickup placement is critical to good sound reproduction and always represents at least one tradeoff.  The fact is there is no perfect place to locate a piezo transducer, as all locations color the sound in one way or another.   In guitars, piezo transducers are most often located on the underside of the soundboard or in the bridge.  Soundboard placement is problematic in that the soundboard vibrates in a modal fashion related to frequency.  This means that a transducer mounted on the soundboard will be more sensitive to certain frequencies and less sensitive to others, those frequencies depending on where on the soundboard the transducer is located.  Soundboard transducers are also prone to feedback even at low levels of amplification.

These days the most popular place to locate a piezo transducer on a guitar is in the bridge, and for flat top guitars the most popular place in the bridge is directly under the saddle.  Here, string tension variations caused by the vibration of the string translate into pressure variations on the saddle, which rests right on top of the transducer.  This placement is less prone to feedback than soundboard placement and also produces a more balanced frequency spectrum.  On the downside, under saddle placement reads more of the sound of the strings themselves, and less of the sound of the entire instrument.  Again, there is always a tradeoff with transducer placement, but this is one that works out well in practice.

I’ve chosen piezo coax cable for the pickup in this article.  Piezo coax cable is probably the easiest material to use without special tools and jigging.  All piezo electric materials mentioned present very high electrical impedances and as such must be thoroughly shielded to prevent the pickup of electrical noise and hum. (IN EARLIER POSTS, THIS IS THE REASON WHY YOU HAVE THE LINE LEVEL VS XLR (BALANCED LINE) OR NEED YOUR DI BOX TO TRANSFORM HI TO LO Z) As the piezo coax cable is well shielded as manufactured, no additional effort is necessary to shield the transducer element itself.  This material is also very simple to cut-- it can be cut to length using wire cutters.  Finally, piezo coax cable is very easy to wire up.

With the discussion of piezo materials and instrument transducer design and placement accomplished, let’s look at the construction of an under saddle transducer.

Parts List
Approximately 5” of piezo coax cable, approximately 0.125” in diameter (Measurement Specialties Inc. PVDF piezo coax cable or equivalent).

Approximately 18” of high Z, shielded, single conductor microphone cable, 0.125” or less in diameter. (Mogami 2368 or equivalent).

An assortment of diameters of heat shrink tubing.

Copper shielding foil with conductive adhesive.

Cyanoacrylate glue.

See the Sources section at the end for information on where to get these supplies.

Tools
Soldering iron (pencil type, approx. 35W) and solder.

Wire strippers.

Pliers.


TO FOLLOW IN NEXT POST.........Construction
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on June 12, 2008, 07:20:53 AM
o dantuts, buking na ang "Secret Society of DIY Transducers" natin!

GGBR - i'm looking forward to the succeeding parts of your post.  i have a friend who tried this (mas simple lang yung instructions and less detailed ang info).  in your experience ba ok din ang tone?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 12, 2008, 07:58:39 AM
if mang raul can make a successful K&K clone, this is good news for us.

bad news for me..wala pa akong paglalagyan eh.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on June 12, 2008, 08:34:35 AM
Time out muna from the transducer talk...


Saang shops ba meron bone or other type of bridge pins?  Ano na ba latest sa technology ng bridge pins? What would you recommend?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on June 12, 2008, 09:54:48 AM
Time out muna from the transducer talk...


Saang shops ba meron bone or other type of bridge pins?  Ano na ba latest sa technology ng bridge pins? What would you recommend?

delta, brass pins meron sa lazer. you can ask Al_Librero for review naka gamit na sya. i haven't seen bone na bridge pins na binebenta dito. hindi pa rin ako naka gamit.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 12, 2008, 10:34:17 AM
GGBR - i'm looking forward to the succeeding parts of your post.  i have a friend who tried this (mas simple lang yung instructions and less detailed ang info).  in your experience ba ok din ang tone?

Referring to the piezo in itself, I do not think the tone will vary much, if it is even discernable because I do not think you can alter the piezo's natural mechanical/physical properties. There is not much altering that you can do to a strip of piezo which just fits into your saddle slot.

Take a look at the new ART (Acoustic Resonance Transducers) that Yamaha introduced last year in their APX series. They have a variation of configurations installed in their assorted models where the top models have 4 pickups and down to the lower models with a single piezo UST. (Just goes to show that no matter what sophisticated engineering goes into a pickup, it still cannot replicate the natural sound that a microphone picks up and sends to your sound equipment.)

From their literature, they say that they were able to tone down the electrical (quacky) tone of the piezo by putting a few layers of 'padding' between the guitar soundboard and the piezo itself. Their piezo transducers are round (much like K & K or a stethoscope) where they incorporated some layers of a buffering material (maybe vinyl/plastic) to 'alter' the quacky piezo sound......and I agree that the new APX does sound good. Even if their guitar bodies are laminated (plywood).

Will post the rest of the pickup "Contruction" when I get to find out how i can include the photos that go with the instructions. I have not been successful in posting photos.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 12, 2008, 10:52:01 AM
Saang shops ba meron bone or other type of bridge pins?  Ano na ba latest sa technology ng bridge pins? What would you recommend?

I myself have not seen bone bridgepins in any of the shops I have come across...JB, Lazer, RJ, AP.

Anyway, their purpose is to hold down the string ball in the 'hole'. Not much it can to do to the sound or can it? It can provide some "pretty" sound  :-D.

Seriously, if you can locate those factories that produce the handcrafted necklaces, they should be able to produce bridgepins for you in bone or carabao horn, dot inlaid with paua, MOP, black lip, ebony etc . Check those tiangge stalls, they have necklaces with shell and bone. The problem though is that only a very select part (middle) of the bone (if I remember correctly, called the femur??) is thick enough to make it to the pin head. I have a small lathe and have been trying to figure out how to do it!! I can only make saddles and nuts at the moment with my equipment. Suggest you look into brass or stainless na lang. There are available rods that can be turned (by lathe) down to bridgepin size.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on June 12, 2008, 11:56:31 AM

Will post the rest of the pickup "Construction" when I get to find out how i can include the photos that go with the instructions. I have not been successful in posting photos.


GGBR, try uploading your pics sa www.photobucket.com , then paste the link ([img]) to your message, each pics you load have a corresponding [img] tag. if the pics is link to a website, paste the link to your message (ex: http://www.philmusic.com/acoustic.jpg) then select the link then press the "insert image" icon ...woahla..!!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: af_villaruel on June 12, 2008, 12:30:38 PM
o dantuts, buking na ang "Secret Society of DIY Transducers" natin!

I suddenly felt responsible. LOL.

Anyway, +1 on the brass pins. I think someone's selling Martin ebony pins in the classifieds too. Parang si jmorrero, but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on June 12, 2008, 12:54:36 PM
Anyway, their purpose is to hold down the string ball in the 'hole'. Not much it can to do to the sound or can it? It can provide some "pretty" sound  :-D.

Well, a good condition guitar with properly installed bridge pin should have the bridge pin couple or come in contact with the bridge, the bridgeplate, the soundboard, and the string itself.  There is almost surely an effect on these components but I agree that the tonal difference might be minimal if you already have good pins (eg, bone).  But since I have plastic on mine now, anything else is "better".  :-D

Thanks for the tip re sources.  I'll try that out, kung wala talaga sa iba.

Re transducers: You are likely right.  Intriguing din yung ART ah!  Hmmm...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 12, 2008, 02:40:43 PM
GGBR, try uploading your pics sa www.photobucket.com , then paste the link ([img]) to your message, each pics you load have a corresponding [img] tag. if the pics is link to a website, paste the link to your message (ex: http://www.philmusic.com/acoustic.jpg) then select the link then press the "insert image" icon ...woahla..!!

Let me just send you the Construction which is Word file ibedded with the photos....I cannot seem to do the image links properly. Pls send me your email address through personal message
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on June 12, 2008, 03:04:40 PM
@GGBR ..

PM deltaslim nalang, i cant access my email here sa office..  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 12, 2008, 05:19:30 PM
what are the characteristics of rosewood in terms of tonal quality?

how about sapele?  i'm not too familiar with this type of wood.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 13, 2008, 12:33:49 AM
what are the characteristics of rosewood in terms of tonal quality?
how about sapele?  i'm not too familiar with this type of wood.  :-)

Maxi, here's something from my compilations of tonewood info....

re: Rosewoods (genus DALBERGIA) -Brazilian, Cocobolo, Honduran, Madagascar, Bolivian (Pau Ferro), Panama, Amazon, Bubinga, Camatillo, and a most recently introduced South East Asian Rosewood (Dalbergia Bariensis)....almost forgot the most availble - East Indian.

Dalbergia is reported to be a large genus, consisting of about 300 species of trees,

Remember the term - "Q factor" for tonewoods...Brazilian is reputed to have the highest "Q". I have been told by US luthiers that Cocobolo has an even higher 'Q' than Brazilian....here....

1) ROSEWOOD (genus Dalbergia)

Rosewoods are more consistent from sample to sample than spruces and cedars and one piece is much more like another in behavior, if not appearance. Of the rosewoods used in guitarmaking, Brazilian rosewood has traditionally been the best wood of choice. This is partly due to tradition and partly due to its phenomenal "Q", which makes it a very acoustically active material. When struck, a properly cut sample rings like a plate of glass. This quality contributes to sustain and projection in a guitar, because those are the chief functions of the back. Sustain, because it rings a long time; and projection, because the back’s movement can be coupled in vibrating activity to the movements of the face, boosting the directional power of the activity of the guitar. Because of its high "Q", Brazilian rosewood is both vitreous and brittle, and therefore prone to cracking and checking. East Indian rosewood, the alternate wood of choice, is comparable to Brazilian rosewood but simply not as beautiful nor as "live", by a factor of some 10% to 20%. This is not a huge difference, and there are plenty of excellent sounding East Indian rosewood guitars around. Also, East Indian rosewood is an attractive choice because it is much less prone to cracking and therefore generally less problematic to work with. Other rosewood-like woods which have a high "Q" are wenge and padauk (both of which crack very easily) and certain Asian and Central American rosewoods, which do not have the beauty of Brazilian or East Indian. While I haven’t worked with all these woods I’d expect them all to be brittle in direct proportion to their liveness and be prone to the same mechanical failures. Removing their brittleness would in fact remove the factor that is responsible for their characteristic tone.

2) MAHOGANY AND KOA (Sapele is a Mahogany which I believe comes from South American, while Koa is in the Acacia family, the Philippine Acacia could be what they call Black Acacia, check with our Forestry Bureau)

Mahoganies and koas are very variable in physical properties. That is, whereas one piece of rosewood is much like another in this regard, these woods range from light to dense, and stiff to loose, while all looking the same. Accordingly, they will behave differently as tonewoods as they exhibit different degrees of "Q" and a guitar’s sound will be colored by the specific selection of koa or mahogany used. The denser and more brittle the wood, the more it will ring; the lighter and looser the wood is, the more it will be an acoustically passive part of the guitar. Heavy koa, mahogany and walnut are all comparable in their tone. Everything else being equal, it is generally recognized that mahogany and koa will produce a "warmer" sound in a guitar than the more brittle rosewoods can.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 13, 2008, 12:46:14 AM
what are the characteristics of rosewood in terms of tonal quality?

how about sapele?  i'm not too familiar with this type of wood.  :-)

The previous post was on the physical/acoustic properties.

Here is a take from Dana Bourgeios (he is a highly reputed luthier) on tonal characteristics of body tonewoods....

Back and Sides

Besides serving to form the enclosure of the soundbox, the back and sides of the guitar also act as a sympathetic resonator whose oscillations contribute greatly to the harmonic mix. When judiciously selected (with due consideration given to design criteria and the other tonewoods used in the instrument), the back and sides can have a tremendous effect on the overall tone of the instrument.

Brazilian and Indian rosewood have an extremely high velocity of sound and a broad range of overtones. The rosewoods, as well as their various rain forest cousins-cocobolo, kingwood, morado, and the like-have strongly pronounced low overtones, usually the lowest resonating frequencies in the entire guitar. These lows help to create a complex bottom end and to impart an overall darkness of tone to the instrument. Strong mids and highs serve to reinforce overtones generated by the top, contributing to a fatness of tone on the upper registers. Guitars made of rosewood also have a pronounced "reverby" tone, caused by a strong, clear set of sympathetic harmonics with a delayed onset and slow decay.

Mahogany and koa have relatively high velocities of sound when considered as materials for backs and sides and thus contribute much to overtone coloration. Lacking the low-end frequencies of the rosewoods and also their sustaining reverberation, these woods have an altogether different sound. Where rosewood guitars can be thought of as having a "metallic" sound, mahogany and koa guitars are better described as sounding "woody, although the harder, more dense examples of these woods can take on some of the characteristics of the rosewoods. Between the two, koa seems to have a little more fullness in the midrange, while mahogany tends to favor the bass (to some extent) and the treble.

Maple and walnut tend to be more acoustically transparent than other tonewoods, due to a low velocity of sound and a high degree of internal damping. That is to say that they allow tonal characteristics of the top to be heard without the addition of extraneous coloration and may even serve to attenuate some of the overtones emanating from the top.

The harder, denser examples of these woods, such as sugar maple and black walnut- particularly quartersawn examples-tend to lean slightly more toward the tonal direction of mahogany, while softer examples, such as bigleaf maple and claro walnut, tend toward greater tonal transparency. Curly, quilted, or bird’s-eye figures do not seem to have much effect on the tone of the wood, but they can be used, like bearclaw, as an indicator of other properties. Quilted figure, for example, occurs most often in softer species and is best displayed when the wood is flat sawn-two characteristics that tend to produce higher damping properties
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 13, 2008, 12:51:29 AM
All that being said.....

Mahogany, Koa, Sapele, Myrtle, Claro Walnut et al are good for strumming and accompanying vocalists.

Rosewoods are good for solos with much fingerpicking.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 13, 2008, 06:53:48 AM
learned so much from that!  thanks sir GGBR!

i asked because i was looking at Larrivee's website yesterday.  their OM-03 has sapele and rosewood versions for back and sides, and i was wondering as to their differences.

based on that post, i think i want rosewood better.   :-)

kamusta na kaya mga Larrivee ni Doc Dave?  baka may pakakawalan na siya.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 13, 2008, 12:22:30 PM
learned so much from that!  thanks sir GGBR!

i asked because i was looking at Larrivee's website yesterday.  their OM-03 has sapele and rosewood versions for back and sides, and i was wondering as to their differences.

based on that post, i think i want rosewood better.   :-)

kamusta na kaya mga Larrivee ni Doc Dave?  baka may pakakawalan na siya.  :-D

I will give you the cell no of someone selling OM-05 (if I remember correctly), Mahogany with Sitka top Larrivee. He was giving it to me at  very good price. I do not know if he still has it as that was then last qtr of 07 . I know that a new one will go for $1k which is on the low-mid pricing.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 13, 2008, 09:54:12 PM
I will give you the cell no of someone selling OM-05 (if I remember correctly), Mahogany with Sitka top Larrivee. He was giving it to me at  very good price. I do not know if he still has it as that was then last qtr of 07 . I know that a new one will go for $1k which is on the low-mid pricing.

yes i know him.  i think he's selling an OM-03 with bearclaw spruce.  that was almost the same time when i was also offered the Gibson i'm using now.   :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dayuhan on June 17, 2008, 05:49:37 PM
When I saw "True Acoustic Tone", I figured I had to put this in, because this guitar comes pretty close to defining it for me. 

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b329/dayuhan/DSC00804.jpg)

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b329/dayuhan/DSC00802.jpg)

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b329/dayuhan/DSC00798.jpg)

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b329/dayuhan/DSC00797.jpg)

Not like I deserve it or anything, but sometimes we get lucky...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 17, 2008, 08:45:50 PM
wow a guild f50r... nice  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 17, 2008, 08:50:44 PM
wow a guild f50r... nice  :-)

kamusta Doc?  may bago ka bang acoustic?  :-D

btw, nakay Mang Bert yung Chet Atkins ko.  bumigay yung electronics eh.  may papalitan lang na mga parts.  ok naman ang trabaho ni Mang Bert diba?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on June 17, 2008, 08:54:24 PM
ayos naman si bert... pag di niya kaya kay mang raul mo pagawa...

wala bagong acoustic, puro vintage electrics mga nabibili ko ngayon....
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 17, 2008, 08:56:17 PM
ayos naman si bert... pag di niya kaya kay mang raul mo pagawa...

wala bagong acoustic, puro vintage electrics mga nabibili ko ngayon....

nakikita ko nga sa gear pics thread eh.  :-D

san ba si mang raul?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dayuhan on June 17, 2008, 09:29:47 PM
wow a guild f50r... nice  :-)

Korek!

Now I'm having fantasies about an F512, guess there's never enough
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on June 17, 2008, 09:45:28 PM
When I saw "True Acoustic Tone", I figured I had to put this in, because this guitar comes pretty close to defining it for me. 

Not like I deserve it or anything, but sometimes we get lucky...

...and lucky you are! welcome to philmusic.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dayuhan on June 17, 2008, 10:23:57 PM
...and lucky you are! welcome to philmusic.  :-D

Thanks...

Looks like acoustic types are outnumbered here by a pretty heavy margin.  I have a Charvel/Marshall combo I pull out when I want to make noise, but I live in Sagada and end up playing in front of my fireplace most nights, and for that the acoustic rules.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on June 18, 2008, 07:33:08 AM
Korek!

Now I'm having fantasies about an F512, guess there's never enough

nice guitar, dayuhan!  i wouldn't mind having an F512 either.  have you tried the one in RJ?


farseer - have you tried the "ancient stock" F512 sa RJ Makati?  it seems uninspiring to me. but perhaps old strings or poor setup (non-maintenance) is the problem.  also, IMO, the fact that it isn't being played as it should be will surely affect the wood and overall repsonsiveness of the guitar. 


EDIT: actually, i'm not sure if the Guild 12 string in RJ Makati is an F512 model.  whatever!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dayuhan on June 18, 2008, 07:51:01 AM
nice guitar, dayuhan!  i wouldn't mind having an F512 either.  have you tried the one in RJ?


farseer - have you tried the "ancient stock" F512 sa RJ Makati?  it seems uninspiring to me. but perhaps old strings or poor setup (non-maintenance) is the problem.  also, IMO, the fact that it isn't being played as it should be will surely affect the wood and overall repsonsiveness of the guitar. 


EDIT: actually, i'm not sure if the Guild 12 string in RJ Makati is an F512 model.  whatever!

I haven't tried it; first time I've heard of it.  I don't get to Makati much; will have a look next time I descend.  Is it a second hand guitar or a new one that's just been sitting on the shelf forever?  I hesitate to even ask... but what price are they asking for it?

If it's a Guild rosewood Jumbo-bodied 12, it would be an F512.  Maple body would be an F412, mahogany F212.  If it's a D-size, different of course...

Lousy strings will make any guitar sound bad... can't figure out why so many shops display decent instruments strung with crap.  I mean, it doesn't take an abacus to figure that it's gonna be easier to sell guitars that sound good.  Pretty rare to find a high end Guild 12 that doesn't sound good, but not impossible, even the best companies toss out a lemon now and then.

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on June 18, 2008, 10:15:30 AM
welcome dayuhan..!!

another acoustic guy to add up to our growing number..  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 18, 2008, 01:40:57 PM
welcome dayuhan!  i just gotta ask...is that you in the picture?  :-D

great guitar bro!  are you planning to have a pickup+preamp system installed in that?

anyway, the Guild in RJ is pre-owned by RJ himself.  and it's been sitting there since forever.  i haven't even bothered to try it out because i might get thoroughly disappointed.  i don't know why RJ will sell that guitar as seconds.

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: borgy on June 18, 2008, 02:18:59 PM
When I saw "True Acoustic Tone", I figured I had to put this in, because this guitar comes pretty close to defining it for me. 

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b329/dayuhan/DSC00804.jpg)

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b329/dayuhan/DSC00802.jpg)

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b329/dayuhan/DSC00798.jpg)

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b329/dayuhan/DSC00797.jpg)

Not like I deserve it or anything, but sometimes we get lucky...

Here's one nice guitar.. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dayuhan on June 18, 2008, 06:46:46 PM
welcome dayuhan!  i just gotta ask...is that you in the picture?  :-D

great guitar bro!  are you planning to have a pickup+preamp system installed in that?

anyway, the Guild in RJ is pre-owned by RJ himself.  and it's been sitting there since forever.  i haven't even bothered to try it out because i might get thoroughly disappointed.  i don't know why RJ will sell that guitar as seconds.

Yup, that's me...

Earlier this year a friend from the US was coming over and I asked him to bring a K&K pickup and an LR Baggs PADI unit... but he canceled the trip and I don't know if I'll even bother.  I play it by the fireplace or on the back porch, mostly, not really places where you care about plugging in... and Sagada is for me a place where you just want a plain natural acoustic.  Maybe if I lived in the city...

I wonder what the story is on RJ's Guild 12... if I'm in Makati I will stop by and have a look; if I'm disappointed, well at least I'll know.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on June 22, 2008, 11:49:22 AM
anyway, the Guild in RJ is pre-owned by RJ himself.  and it's been sitting there since forever.  i haven't even bothered to try it out because i might get thoroughly disappointed.  i don't know why RJ will sell that guitar as seconds.

well, i did try it out and was thoroughly disappointed but i'm no 12-string expert and my point of reference is different (ie, ladder braced, OO-shaped Stella 12s).  and i wouldn't look to RJ for tone, at least 'today's RJ'.  maybe in his younger days.

they also have a Dobro there that was just dead. my MIC dobro I bought in Singapore was 10x better for tone.  but then again, in Singapore, practically all the stores I go to in Singapore maintain ALL their guitars with new strings tuned up!  no wonder nobody has bought the Dobro and Guild in RJ Makati.

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 22, 2008, 03:43:59 PM
i take back what i said in my above post...the Guild in RJ Makati isn't the one i saw labeled as "pre-owned by RJ".  that Guild was the one in RJ MOA, which is not a Jumbo but an OM (i'm not too sure about this, but definitely not a Jumbo).

sir joric, is the Guild 12 in tune?  i've tried a few 12s in Tom Lee and when they're not in tune, i didn't bother playing them.  but i love to fingerpick using 12s.  it's fun to have more than one note ringing.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on June 22, 2008, 04:31:04 PM
i take back what i said in my above post...the Guild in RJ Makati isn't the one i saw labeled as "pre-owned by RJ".  that Guild was the one in RJ MOA, which is not a Jumbo but an OM (i'm not too sure about this, but definitely not a Jumbo).

sir joric, is the Guild 12 in tune?  i've tried a few 12s in Tom Lee and when they're not in tune, i didn't bother playing them.  but i love to fingerpick using 12s.  it's fun to have more than one note ringing.  :-)

The Guild wasn't in tune. I tried to tune it but with dead strings, what's the point?   

There's no sound like that of a 12-string booming single note riffs in perfect tune.   8-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dayuhan on June 23, 2008, 10:22:56 AM
The Guild wasn't in tune. I tried to tune it but with dead strings, what's the point?   

There's no sound like that of a 12-string booming single note riffs in perfect tune.   8-)

I still want to try it, just to see what model it is and try to figure out what's wrong with it.  Not like I'm a 12 string expert (or an expert at all) but the few Guild jumbo 12s I've played have had absolutely enormous sound.  Tried an F212XL in a shop years ago, pretty basic guitar, kind of plain.  They had a much fancier Taylor 12 as well, the Taylor looked nicer and felt great in the hands but when it came to sound it just vanished compared to the Guild.  Wanted one ever since, I figure for someone who doesn't have all kinds of fancy chops an instrument like that is ideal, just keep it simple, keep it clean, and live on tone...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 23, 2008, 11:23:12 AM
They had a much fancier Taylor 12 as well, the Taylor looked nicer and felt great in the hands but when it came to sound it just vanished compared to the Guild.  Wanted one ever since, I figure for someone who doesn't have all kinds of fancy chops an instrument like that is ideal, just keep it simple, keep it clean, and live on tone...

I sense that you can really "play"... sans the 'fancy chops' that tend to mask the unskilled finger. Would be interesting to listen to you. :-o 
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on June 23, 2008, 02:50:12 PM
Chito - Post ko later yung instructions for UST. Was out of town last week.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dayuhan on June 23, 2008, 10:05:55 PM
I sense that you can really "play"... sans the 'fancy chops' that tend to mask the unskilled finger. Would be interesting to listen to you. :-o 

Come to Sagada sometime, and stop on by... I'm in this kinda self-imposed exile mode, don't leave here much.

I guess if "play" means "something done for fun or recreation", then I really play.  But I'd be nuts to come on here and say I'm good, because I'm sure there's people here who do stuff with a guitar that I can't dream of.

Maybe it's an old guy thing or something, but right now playing fast or fancy just doesn't mean much for me, I'd rather take a 3-chord song and try to find a way to do a little more with less, if that makes any sense.  Maybe part of that is just having a guitar that sounds really really good...

I brought a great acoustic over about 100 years ago, Epiphone PR765, got stolen in Manila in '91, still wonder where it ended up.  Just remember one early morning n the late 80's, after one of those late 80's sleepless nights... sitting on the front porch at Sct Limbaga in the QC, Pepe Smith picked up that instrument, picked up a glass, tuned to open E, and the next 2 hours I'll never forget.  Nobody else heard it, everyone else around was asleep or unconscious... but for me what I and nobody else heard on that morning was what it's all about.  maybe I'll get there someday...


Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dayuhan on June 24, 2008, 10:54:38 AM
Of course if I could play like this guy I'd feel differently about playing fast...

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I like  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on June 25, 2008, 10:28:31 AM
he also played with my guitar once. i was really awed. pepe may not be a standard in guitars but he plays well. i only asked for an autograph he gave my lumanog more than what i bargained for. heheh.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on June 25, 2008, 12:11:30 PM
Of course if I could play like this guy I'd feel differently about playing fast...

feature=related

I like  :-D

He makes the Baby Taylor sound like a giant!  That's artistry! Anybody who can play as well sing like that around?? PLease let me know! I want to hear artists here and not "technicians" who just talk about the guitar..... :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on June 26, 2008, 12:31:43 AM
He makes the Baby Taylor sound like a giant!  That's artistry! Anybody who can play as well sing like that around?? PLease let me know! I want to hear artists here and not "technicians" who just talk about the guitar..... :-D

a plus one for this remark. i just realized i need to give justice to my guitar. man it sounds lousy with me.

to regular programming.... anyone tried this yet?

http://www.artecsound.com/effect/index.html

i gig, and i already have a direct box. i want the lr baggs d.i. for my passive piezo equipped guitar but i can't afford it just yet. preamp options are really headaches. heheh

im saving for my acoustic, and my future acoustic. heheh. this thread just gave me my acoustic gas back. heheh.

kick me out of this thread im starting to sound like a tech again. hahah.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 26, 2008, 08:05:53 AM
a plus one for this remark. i just realized i need to give justice to my guitar. man it sounds lousy with me.

to regular programming.... anyone tried this yet?

http://www.artecsound.com/effect/index.html

i gig, and i already have a direct box. i want the lr baggs d.i. for my passive piezo equipped guitar but i can't afford it just yet. preamp options are really headaches. heheh

im saving for my acoustic, and my future acoustic. heheh. this thread just gave me my acoustic gas back. heheh.

kick me out of this thread im starting to sound like a tech again. hahah.

welcome to the club (or should i say, welcome back)!   :-D

what is your current DI box? 

i emailed Artec just recently and they don't ship individual items since they are a factory, they ship in bulk.  what item in particular do you want from them?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on June 26, 2008, 09:31:33 AM
i have an art x-direct box. works naman. i hope i can order from micsis he sells those here.  :-D. actually im planning to get an acoustic, then lagyan ko ng pickups. pero right now yung acoustic preamp nila ang gusto ko. parang guitar -> preamp -> chorus -> direct box.  :-D.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on June 26, 2008, 09:39:24 AM
i got to try some nice acoustics last week out of town...  made me remember that idea about holding an acoustic tone party or acoustic GAS Day.  everybody bring their babies, talk shop, and then jam!  we need a secure and closed (ie, not open air) location though.

what do you guys think?  (paging, farseer, blue_buddha, etc.)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 26, 2008, 09:56:09 AM
i have an art x-direct box. works naman. i hope i can order from micsis he sells those here.  :-D. actually im planning to get an acoustic, then lagyan ko ng pickups. pero right now yung acoustic preamp nila ang gusto ko. parang guitar -> preamp -> chorus -> direct box.  :-D.

active pa ba si micsis?  parang hindi ko na sya masyado nakikita nagpopost.  if he sells Artec here, then i'll be glad to order.  my acoustic is currently in need of a new preamp-pickup system.  bumigay na yung stock eh.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 26, 2008, 09:58:37 AM
i got to try some nice acoustics last week out of town...  made me remember that idea about holding an acoustic tone party or acoustic GAS Day.  everybody bring their babies, talk shop, and then jam!  we need a secure and closed (ie, not open air) location though.

what do you guys think?  (paging, farseer, blue_buddha, etc.)

i dig.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on June 26, 2008, 03:04:21 PM
active pa ba si micsis?  parang hindi ko na sya masyado nakikita nagpopost.  if he sells Artec here, then i'll be glad to order.  my acoustic is currently in need of a new preamp-pickup system.  bumigay na yung stock eh.


yep ive seen his thread ulit kaya ayun tinamaan na naman ako ng gas.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 26, 2008, 05:06:07 PM
yep ive seen his thread ulit kaya ayun tinamaan na naman ako ng gas.

nagreply sya sa PM ko kaya lang tingin ko Artec pedals lang ang carried nya...hindi kasama mga pickups and preamps.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: af_villaruel on June 27, 2008, 06:53:24 PM
i got to try some nice acoustics last week out of town...  made me remember that idea about holding an acoustic tone party or acoustic GAS Day.  everybody bring their babies, talk shop, and then jam!  we need a secure and closed (ie, not open air) location though.

what do you guys think?  (paging, farseer, blue_buddha, etc.)

nakupo. yun na lang masasabi ko. hehehe. :D

sana lang handa na yung gitara ko pag nangyari to. umorder pa kasi ako ng stuff para naman ma-"pimp" ko yung acoustic ko. hehehe.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 27, 2008, 09:10:14 PM
i hope this isn't scheduled any time soon...i'm having my acoustic repaired.  hay...this will be the first time for me kaya it's kinda stressful..but i am optimistic about the possibilities!  :-)

sana talaga makahabol ako dito sa acoustic jam.  if my guitar gets through, then complete ang dala ko.  but if not, i can only offer my amp.  :-D

let me know!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on June 27, 2008, 09:28:44 PM
haha. don't hold your breath. ilang beses na ito binalak, di pa rin natuloy tuloy.  i'm just keeping the idea afloat... baka sakali mag align ang "stars of the acoustic world".  ;-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 27, 2008, 09:36:31 PM
if i remember correctly, merong nagplano ng acoustic jam in the early pages of this thread.  hindi ba natuloy yun?   :-D

oh well....sana lang talaga maayos na yung acoustic ko at makahabol sa jam na to.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dayuhan on June 28, 2008, 06:58:48 AM
i hope this isn't scheduled any time soon...i'm having my acoustic repaired.  hay...this will be the first time for me kaya it's kinda stressful..but i am optimistic about the possibilities!  :-)

sana talaga makahabol ako dito sa acoustic jam.  if my guitar gets through, then complete ang dala ko.  but if not, i can only offer my amp.  :-D

let me know!

Ouch... that would be stressful; I'd take an electric in for repair with no worry at all, but the acoustic... what's wrong with your guitar, and who's working on it?

Acoustic jam would be fun, but given where I live I'm not likely to be there.  Do have to get down to Manila one of these days, a friend there just got back from the US and brought me 2 sets of John Pearse phosphor bronze .013s.  Treasure...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 28, 2008, 07:46:34 AM
Ouch... that would be stressful; I'd take an electric in for repair with no worry at all, but the acoustic... what's wrong with your guitar, and who's working on it?

the preamp/pickup system no longer works.  a good friend is working on it.  but i'm still talking to a manufacturer in Korea because i'm having items shipped here.  i'm just waiting for their quotation on their items.  once i receive these items, that's when we'll go to work on the guitar.

Acoustic jam would be fun, but given where I live I'm not likely to be there.  Do have to get down to Manila one of these days, a friend there just got back from the US and brought me 2 sets of John Pearse phosphor bronze .013s.  Treasure...

13s?  a little too heavy for me..i borrowed a guitar from this good friend mentioned above and it's fitted with Pearse 11s.  just right.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dayuhan on June 28, 2008, 03:32:21 PM
Well, if the issue is electronic it may be a little easier to have someone laying hands on it.  Hope it all works out.

.013s are heavy, but somehow the size of a Guild jumbo seems to call for big strings.  When I get a 12 string I'll keep lights on the f50R and use the 12 when I want big full tone.  And wouldn't it be cool to have another 6 string to keep in an open tuning, just for when you want to mess with that...

I'm a sick man.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on June 28, 2008, 11:41:25 PM
And wouldn't it be cool to have another 6 string to keep in an open tuning, just for when you want to mess with that...

I always have 2 resonators/guitars on open tuning (open G and open D/Dm). It's fun -- like changing channels on your TV.   :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 28, 2008, 11:56:33 PM
Well, if the issue is electronic it may be a little easier to have someone laying hands on it.  Hope it all works out.

thanks!  i certainly hope so because i don't have the dough yet to get a new one.   :-D


.013s are heavy, but somehow the size of a Guild jumbo seems to call for big strings.  When I get a 12 string I'll keep lights on the f50R and use the 12 when I want big full tone.  And wouldn't it be cool to have another 6 string to keep in an open tuning, just for when you want to mess with that...

wouldn't lights be okay on a jumbo because it will still have great volume and a full tone because of its body construction?  yes it would be cool to have a few more guitars at your disposal.  :-)


I'm a sick man.

aren't we all?  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on June 29, 2008, 02:39:32 AM
nagreply sya sa PM ko kaya lang tingin ko Artec pedals lang ang carried nya...hindi kasama mga pickups and preamps.

ow men... heheh. sayang! as for the preamp artec has a pedal/ preamp. i think he can order that. money na lang kulang. heheh
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Targa_midbass on June 30, 2008, 03:20:51 AM
Has anyone tried the bridge transducer pickups sold at Lyric? Mura din eh. :-) Comments please?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dayuhan on June 30, 2008, 05:36:15 AM
Quote
wouldn't lights be okay on a jumbo because it will still have great volume and a full tone because of its body construction? 

Well... in truth, she's been wearing D'Addario lights and I don't really have any complaints about the tone.  I just feel like I can get it fuller and bigger with the Pearse mediums... there will be some playability tradeoff of course.  It's kind of an experiment, always something different to try.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on June 30, 2008, 11:58:38 AM
thanks!  i certainly hope so because i don't have the dough yet to get a new one.   :-D


wouldn't lights be okay on a jumbo because it will still have great volume and a full tone because of its body construction?  yes it would be cool to have a few more guitars at your disposal.  :-)


aren't we all?  :-D

it's a compromise but in principle you need higher tension in order to vibrate bigger wood/guitar.  lighter strings might not vibrate the neck and top enough for optimum volume or tone.  this is also why a parlor size or lightly braced guitars ask for lighter strings.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dayuhan on June 30, 2008, 03:06:29 PM
You mean my fat-bottomed honey needs a lotta vibrator to make her sing??
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 30, 2008, 06:46:59 PM
You mean my fat-bottomed honey needs a lotta vibrator to make her sing??

 :lol:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 01, 2008, 12:14:59 PM
sir joric, what are the 3 western K & K suction caps and how are they terminated/connected to the jack?  are there any electronic circuits or components?

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on July 01, 2008, 02:09:41 PM
sir joric, what are the 3 western K & K suction caps and how are they terminated/connected to the jack?  are there any electronic circuits or components?

they're not suction cups.  the transducer discs are thin and attach to the bridge plate via super glue. the whole thing looks like this inside the guitar.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/417gJEJtmLL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)

i'm not sure if they've sticked any components in the jack.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on July 01, 2008, 03:48:18 PM
@deltaslim..

dalhin mo F-20 mo sa 24th ah..  :-D

tska yung shadow ano na balak mo ?  :-D , pa test...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on July 01, 2008, 03:50:18 PM
@deltaslim..

dalhin mo F-20 mo sa 24th ah..  :-D

tska yung shadow ano na balak mo ?  :-D , pa test...


copy, bro!

teka, so confirmed na kayo?!  PM me.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on July 01, 2008, 04:02:30 PM
ygpm  :-D

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 01, 2008, 07:56:51 PM
they're not suction cups.  the transducer discs are thin and attach to the bridge plate via super glue. the whole thing looks like this inside the guitar.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/417gJEJtmLL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

i'm not sure if they've sticked any components in the jack.

i thought they were like suction cups..is its other end an endpin preamp?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on July 02, 2008, 07:13:15 AM
i thought they were like suction cups..is its other end an endpin preamp?

seems like a simple coupling job from transducer to output jack/endpin to me but i've been known to be wrong many times...  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: af_villaruel on July 02, 2008, 10:52:39 AM
i thought they were like suction cups..is its other end an endpin preamp?

to my knowledge, joric is correct. the k&k is a passive transducer pickup. although reviews would reveal it yields a pretty hot output. i wouldn't know as of the moment... although i would by the end of the month. :wink:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 02, 2008, 06:10:32 PM
seems like a simple coupling job from transducer to output jack/endpin to me but i've been known to be wrong many times...  :-D

you're right...it's simply a transducer to output jack/endpin connection.  thanks sir joric!  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 02, 2008, 06:25:02 PM
to my knowledge, joric is correct. the k&k is a passive transducer pickup. although reviews would reveal it yields a pretty hot output. i wouldn't know as of the moment... although i would by the end of the month. :wink:

nax!  good luck bro!  yan yung ilalagay mo sa Egima mo?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: af_villaruel on July 03, 2008, 09:18:22 PM
nax!  good luck bro!  yan yung ilalagay mo sa Egima mo?

hehehe. yep!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: in_the_tent on July 03, 2008, 09:21:22 PM
Hmm.. Gusto ko rin sanang matuloy ang acouctic EB. para maeducate naman ako about true acoustic tone.:) Taga saan po ba kayo mga sir?
1. in_the_tent -San Francisco Del Monte QC
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Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dayuhan on July 04, 2008, 08:43:49 PM
Pardon me if this has already been discussed somewhere in the 61 pages here, but thread archaeology isn't my strongest skill.  I'm just curious... I mean, we all talk about guitars a lot, but I'm wondering what y'all actually play?  So a question... next time you pick up your guitar just for fun, what's likely to come out?

For me...

Probably JJ Cale's Drifter's Life, which I don't ever get tired of, as good an acoustic fingerpickin' thing as anyone ever wrote.

Working on solo acoustic versions of a couple of Hendrix standards, Hey Joe and The Wind Cries Mary, just for fun.  Coming along...

Been messing a lot with a Richard Thompson song called I Misunderstood... had a bit of a revelation when I looked on YouTube and realized that RT plays it with a capo on the 2nd fret.  Like "you mean (duh) I don't have to play it in C#m??"

Couple of things that have been on my table forever, an old country coal miner song by Billy Edd Wheeler called Coal Tattoo, and Doc Watson's Deep River Blues, which I may never get quite right but I'll never stop trying!

Just starting to mess with a Dave Matthews song, Two Step, which I really like.  May take a while, but I'm not in a hurry, not like anyone's listening!

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on July 04, 2008, 10:08:15 PM
I'm just curious... I mean, we all talk about guitars a lot, but I'm wondering what y'all actually play


This is what I play...
http://youtube.com/view_play_list?p=CE2B9431F88998ED
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 04, 2008, 10:21:14 PM
@dayuhan,

i will search these songs and download them so that i would know what you are talking about.  i'm also into fingerpicking, the likes of James Taylor and even some Jim Croce.  but i'm more into the pop songs now.

@delta,

great covers!  blues na blues.  i like Glory of Love.  Morris yung gamit mo no?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on July 05, 2008, 01:55:13 AM
when i pick up my acoustic, i just pluck my way to... nothingness.  :-D. i dont have particular songs in mind. just let the fingers move. i start with Em, and end up doing the key of G. heheh. G Em C D couldnt be that bad. hahah

i just usually do it to keep my mind blank.

OT. hahah.

To the topic... i hope i could have my fernando acoustic repaired soon. the nut broke and i hope to have it hospitalized. heheh. hope to upload some pics of my beloved acoustic soon... <btw "beloved" because this is from my mom that's why. hahah. i like the sound though. it's big. heheh>
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on July 05, 2008, 05:11:47 PM
@dayuhan,

i will search these songs and download them so that i would know what you are talking about.  i'm also into fingerpicking, the likes of James Taylor and even some Jim Croce.  but i'm more into the pop songs now.

@delta,

great covers!  blues na blues.  i like Glory of Love.  Morris yung gamit mo no?


thanks. yes, the more recent ones are with the Morris.

interestingly enough, Glory of Love is a pop song!  i just did my own take on Big Bill Broonzy's bluesified version of it.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dayuhan on July 06, 2008, 03:37:14 PM
Some nice stuff there, Delta... I keep telling myself to borrow my son't video cam and actually record myself, so far it hasn't happened.  Someday...

Maxi, when you mentioned Jim Croce, I remembered that way back too many years ago I used to play Time in a Bottle, so I picked up the guitar and damned if it didn't come out almost intact.  Amazing how that happens... not like I remember the words or anything, but that may be a good thing.  Pag kumanta ako sa banyo, bumalik yung tubig sa gripo...

I'd like to play Lover's Cross, always liked that song, but somehow it really needs 2 guitars.  Jim and Maury really had it down...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on July 06, 2008, 03:59:16 PM
I have been looking for a duet that could do "DUELING BANJOS" from the movie Deliverance (starring Bert Reynolds, if I remember right???)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on July 06, 2008, 04:36:28 PM
Does anyone here use 13's on their acoustic? It's killing my fingers.. but the tone is BIG. :-)

I might go down to 12's when I change strings next time.. naawa ako sa fingers ko, it feels a bit too stiff, and I don't get to play too often nowadays.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dayuhan on July 06, 2008, 05:34:35 PM
I have been looking for a duet whom could do "DUELING BANJOS" from the movie Deliverance (starring Bert Reynolds, if I remember right???)

You need to find a banjo player, not so many of those around!

The guitar part isn't technically difficult, but it needs to be played with authority...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on July 06, 2008, 06:59:24 PM
I have been looking for a duet whom could do "DUELING BANJOS" from the movie Deliverance (starring Bert Reynolds, if I remember right???)

We used to do an abridged version of it in my acoustic group, segueing into Bugle Call Rag, with me on banjo (not note-perfect copy though).  I've hung up the banjo in favor of learning to play better guitar and more songs first. :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on July 06, 2008, 07:27:34 PM
There we are.....a banjo player!! Please let us know where we can hear your good music! My ears are hungry for music,  artistry and not hardware & all the wanna-have-these...wanna-have-those kind of talks.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: af_villaruel on July 06, 2008, 07:53:42 PM
...not hardware & all the wanna-have-these...wanna-have-those kind of talks.

 :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on July 06, 2008, 08:40:16 PM
There we are.....a banjo player!! Please let us know where we can hear your good music! My ears are hungry for music,  artistry and not hardware & all the wanna-have-these...wanna-have-those kind of talks.

Chito - I invite you to come on down to Backdoor Blues Cafe any Sat night, but on July 19 especially since I/my group is playing, also July 24 at Conspiracy Cafe, if you wanna hear some good acoustic music. 

But, alas, I don't play banjo anymore and never really got "good" at it.  Only enough so we can cover some old timey/bluegrass tunes (Flat & Scruggs, Stanley Bros, JD Crowe, Bill Monroe, Ricky Scaggs, AKUS, "Foggy Bottom Boys", etc.).  These days, I just adapt my guitjo (6 string banjo) to play the same tunes.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on July 06, 2008, 08:52:12 PM
Btw, the acoustic group I'm talking about is "Jook Jam" - a cross between a streetcorner/jug band and the early blues groups (Famous Hokum Boys, Sonny Boy Wiliamson's group on the King Biscuit Hour radio show, Muddy Waters's group, Howlin Wolf's group, etc.)... although we play a very broad range of material, from old timey and country blues to ragtime and even gospel/spirituals.

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 06, 2008, 11:05:48 PM
Maxi, when you mentioned Jim Croce, I remembered that way back too many years ago I used to play Time in a Bottle, so I picked up the guitar and damned if it didn't come out almost intact.  Amazing how that happens... not like I remember the words or anything, but that may be a good thing.  Pag kumanta ako sa banyo, bumalik yung tubig sa gripo...

I'd like to play Lover's Cross, always liked that song, but somehow it really needs 2 guitars.  Jim and Maury really had it down...

i think i still have a Jim Croce cassette tape from my dad's collection.  i'll go over his songs during the week.  i know (at least knew) how to play Time in a Bottle, I Have To Say I Love You In A Song, and Operator.

back then i can only fingerpick the rhythm parts of Croce songs.  i'll try doing the solo parts when i listen to the songs again.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 06, 2008, 11:13:17 PM
interestingly enough, Glory of Love is a pop song!  i just did my own take on Big Bill Broonzy's bluesified version of it.

i think i'm a little lost.  who did the Glory of Love original version?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on July 07, 2008, 08:12:26 AM
i think i'm a little lost.  who did the Glory of Love original version?

A little research tells me this:

Words & Music by William Hill
Recorded by Benny Goodman, 1936

Not sure if Goodman's Orchestra was the first to record/play it. Big Bill Broonzy's version was recorded in 1940s or 50s, I think.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on July 07, 2008, 09:25:32 AM
Does anyone here use 13's on their acoustic? It's killing my fingers.. but the tone is BIG. :-)

I might go down to 12's when I change strings next time.. naawa ako sa fingers ko, it feels a bit too stiff, and I don't get to play too often nowadays.

i'm using 13's on my acoustic, i think your guitar needs setup. dapat kahit papano "malambot" yan. but going down to 12's isn't a bad idea either. maybe your guitar nut was setup using 12-11's...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on July 07, 2008, 10:20:37 AM
Maybe so. I think going down to 12's is better because I don't get to play too often anymore. Lalambot ang fingers ko nito eh.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on July 07, 2008, 11:39:10 AM
@red_strat ..

playing on acoustic will strengthen your fingers..  :-D kaya go acoustic na !!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 07, 2008, 12:50:28 PM
Does anyone here use 13's on their acoustic? It's killing my fingers.. but the tone is BIG. :-)

I might go down to 12's when I change strings next time.. naawa ako sa fingers ko, it feels a bit too stiff, and I don't get to play too often nowadays.

13s?!?!  and going down to 12s?!  gosh man...you must have rock hard fingers.  :-D

i prefer 11s or 10s.  when i used 12s, i found it difficult to put accent on my playing since they are just so....hard (for lack of better term  :-D).  i play a percussive style of fingerpicking and based on my experience, i can do this style better with 11s or 10s.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 07, 2008, 12:57:59 PM
A little research tells me this:

Words & Music by William Hill
Recorded by Benny Goodman, 1936

Not sure if Goodman's Orchestra was the first to record/play it. Big Bill Broonzy's version was recorded in 1940s or 50s, I think.

wow...that song goes way back pala.  1936. 

i'll look for the original and try to play around with it.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on July 07, 2008, 01:22:12 PM
13s?!?!  and going down to 12s?!  gosh man...you must have rock hard fingers.  :-D

i prefer 11s or 10s.  when i used 12s, i found it difficult to put accent on my playing since they are just so....hard (for lack of better term  :-D).  i play a percussive style of fingerpicking and based on my experience, i can do this style better with 11s or 10s.

ewan ko ah pero dapat hindi ganun ka tigas yung strings when using 13's or 12's.. basta naka setup lang ng maayos. wala akong problems sa guitar na naka 13's basta naka setup. pero yng cats eyes ko baka i switch ko ng 12's kasi mas maganda tunog nya sa 12's. hindi "boomy" ...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 07, 2008, 01:33:34 PM
ewan ko ah pero dapat hindi ganun ka tigas yung strings when using 13's or 12's..

baka hindi lang talaga ako sanay sa 13s or 12s.  :-D

pero hindi ba inherent narin sa gauge na matigas sila?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on July 07, 2008, 01:42:15 PM
13's!!!  :-o you guys have hands of steel. hahah. papasa na yan sa bass guitar eh... hahah. 11 na talaga max ko. nakakatakot din kasi baka hindi kayanin ng guitar ko yung tension. heheh
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on July 07, 2008, 01:42:57 PM
matigas talaga  :-D

pero basta tama yung spacing dun sa nut. kahit papano mas "lalambot" kasi hindi na iipit yung strings.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on July 07, 2008, 02:18:41 PM
Backdoor Blues Cafe any Sat night, but on July 19 especially since I/my group is playing,

Please let us know the address of this cafe....
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on July 07, 2008, 02:23:21 PM
ggbr,
its in sikatuna village QC

check..

http://backdoorbluescafe.multiply.com
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dayuhan on July 09, 2008, 09:16:21 AM
Anybody else noticed this?

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,100078.0.html

I mean, it's a laminated body, and it's not like I need another 6-string... but still, nice guitar and a reasonable price, something always starts twitching when I see stuff like this.  Harmony Central reviews say good things about them, though the adjustable bridge on some is generally seen as a tone-killer.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 09, 2008, 03:21:45 PM
Anybody else noticed this?

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,100078.0.html

I mean, it's a laminated body, and it's not like I need another 6-string... but still, nice guitar and a reasonable price, something always starts twitching when I see stuff like this.  Harmony Central reviews say good things about them, though the adjustable bridge on some is generally seen as a tone-killer.

30K for a laminate?  hmmmmm...i'm not too sure on this.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dayuhan on July 09, 2008, 04:43:12 PM
Well, not like it's cheap, but you'd expect to pay something for a 27 year old Gibson in decent condition.  It's about the same or a little less than the same guitar would fetch on the US second hand market, which is always an interesting sign.  If it wasn't 12 hrs away I might want to stop by and see what it sounds like.

The whole laminate vs solid issue... well, a really well made laminate guitar can sound better than a shabbily made solid, and what it's all about is sound and playability.

I figure there's two kinds of guitars really, the lifetime guitars and the others.  If you find one that sounds right and feels right and is built to last, that's worth paying for because it's gonna stay with you for the duration.  Of course this is coming from someone whose bicycle is worth more than his truck, which to me just means I have my priorities straight  :-D.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Red_Strat on July 09, 2008, 05:13:45 PM
baka hindi lang talaga ako sanay sa 13s or 12s.  :-D

pero hindi ba inherent narin sa gauge na matigas sila?

Ang alam ko oo. Then again, I haven't tried a guitar on 13's or 12's that's really setup for that particular gauge. If I remember correctly, setup for 11's lang yata ang acoustic ko. :lol:

I know the jump from 11's to 13's is pretty drastic. (I'll admit, masakit talaga siya sa kamay.. 20-30 mins. lang) Tonewise parang stiff na rin yung tunog para sakin. It's boomy, and I like that.. but it doesn't 'sing' that much for me anymore.
10's & 11's for me sound almost the same (I don't have the best ears). So perhaps 12's would be the just right balance of tone & comfort.

@dantuts - yes, I'll be using my acoustic more when I get the rare chance to play or practice. Na-baby ng 10's sa strat ko ang fingers ko eh. :|
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on July 09, 2008, 07:43:33 PM
Well, not like it's cheap, but you'd expect to pay something for a 27 year old Gibson in decent condition.  It's about the same or a little less than the same guitar would fetch on the US second hand market, which is always an interesting sign.  If it wasn't 12 hrs away I might want to stop by and see what it sounds like.

The whole laminate vs solid issue... well, a really well made laminate guitar can sound better than a shabbily made solid, and what it's all about is sound and playability.

I figure there's two kinds of guitars really, the lifetime guitars and the others.  If you find one that sounds right and feels right and is built to last, that's worth paying for because it's gonna stay with you for the duration.  Of course this is coming from someone whose bicycle is worth more than his truck, which to me just means I have my priorities straight  :-D.

heheh. nice points dayuhan. well the place is near the church i go to so i might drop by to check it out. i dont have the dough for it though. hahah. i haven't tried playing a gibson acoustic <tried an epiphone though> so i might just try it just to give myself an idea of how acoustic gibsons sound like.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dayuhan on July 09, 2008, 08:35:25 PM
Always worth trying out another guitar... let us know what you think, if you get your hands on it!

And speaking of Epiphones... well, this is beyond a long shot, but somewhere in Manila, unless some unspeakable piece of slime has destroyed it, there is a late 70s Epiphone PR765 that was stolen from my house in the QC in 1991.  There wouldn't be more than one in the country, it's an unusual guitar even on the other side of the pond, not many were made.  Fancy, 3-piece rosewood back, spruce top with a few repaired but still visible cracks, lots of inlay.

Anyone's ever seen it, let me know, I'd gladly buy it back.  Sentiment and all...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 09, 2008, 09:13:55 PM
The whole laminate vs solid issue... well, a really well made laminate guitar can sound better than a shabbily made solid, and what it's all about is sound and playability.

yes this is true...but comparing a really well-made solid with a really well-made laminate, no doubt that the former will beat the latter.  i was stating an "all things being equal" statement. :-)


I figure there's two kinds of guitars really, the lifetime guitars and the others.  If you find one that sounds right and feels right and is built to last, that's worth paying for because it's gonna stay with you for the duration.  Of course this is coming from someone whose bicycle is worth more than his truck, which to me just means I have my priorities straight  :-D.

damn straight.  :-D

we spend for the things that we think are worth spending on.  and those include killer guitars.   :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dayuhan on July 11, 2008, 03:17:57 PM
I know the jump from 11's to 13's is pretty drastic. (I'll admit, masakit talaga siya sa kamay.. 20-30 mins. lang) Tonewise parang stiff na rin yung tunog para sakin. It's boomy, and I like that.. but it doesn't 'sing' that much for me anymore.
10's & 11's for me sound almost the same (I don't have the best ears). So perhaps 12's would be the just right balance of tone & comfort.

If you want the sound of big strings without the burden on the fingers, one solution is to tune the whole thing down a half step.  The reduced tension compensates for the greater weight and is easier on the fingers and on the instrument.  If you need to play in standard, capo on the first fret and you're good to go.

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: luin_theblue on July 15, 2008, 02:07:19 PM
Hey guys. Nakahanap ako ng isang Charvel 525D NAT (Made in Korea) sa isang bodega.

(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g242/foilwrapper/100_2571.jpg) Kinda looks like that.

One of the plastic pins are broken already. So I'm saving up to 1) replace the whole set (they all seem brittle already anyway), 2) change the plastic nuts and saddles to bone ones, 3) and replace the electronics if they don't work anymore, and 4) change the output jack to one with a strap holder, and 5) repair of electronics (if they don't work) :)

How much would you guys think my reviving of the guitar would cost?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on July 15, 2008, 02:26:20 PM

How much would you guys think my reviving of the guitar would cost?

basically, your guitar just needs a general setup (intonation, refret (?) ) . and maybe some replacements. but the cost wouldn't be that high given you opt for cheaper alternatives. (plastic pins, a standard set of electronics, bone nut) tataas lang yan pag mahal ang mga ipapalit mo. try to weigh the cost if its worth it to go the "expensive" route.

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: borgy on July 16, 2008, 01:46:34 AM
Hi

What would be the best sounding OM bodied guitar(rosewood)? price range is $1500-2000. Martin has a lot to offer but I am quite hesitant cos of the brand is too much commercialized. Larrivee, they say, offers quality more than the name.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
Thanks
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on July 16, 2008, 01:55:46 AM
Hey guys. Nakahanap ako ng isang Charvel 525D NAT (Made in Korea) sa isang bodega.

(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g242/foilwrapper/100_2571.jpg) Kinda looks like that.

One of the plastic pins are broken already. So I'm saving up to 1) replace the whole set (they all seem brittle already anyway), 2) change the plastic nuts and saddles to bone ones, 3) and replace the electronics if they don't work anymore, and 4) change the output jack to one with a strap holder, and 5) repair of electronics (if they don't work) :)

How much would you guys think my reviving of the guitar would cost?

The most critical of concerns that I would have for such an acquisition would be the neck angle. This can make (break) your 'find'.

Take a straight edge (at least 24") & sit it on the fretboard running along (between strings 3-4) centerline. Without lifting, move it towards the bridge till the forward edge comes into contact with the bridge. The bottom edge should match (level) the top of the bridge. Very critical! Otherwise you're in for a neck reset. All other improvements are easily achievable without having to greatly affect your acquisition cost.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on July 16, 2008, 02:08:05 AM
Hi

What would be the best sounding OM bodied guitar(rosewood)? price range is $1500-2000. Martin has a lot to offer but I am quite hesitant cos of the brand is too much commercialized. Larrivee, they say, offers quality more than the name.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
Thanks

What do you mean by "commercialized"?   Both the brands you mentioned are "commercialized", getting what you meant as being readily available in most guitar stores, would this be correct? Or would your question be - based on customer feedback, which "commercially" produced brand would have the most "sound vs cost effectiveness"? Ganun ba yun? Medyo very subjective yan.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: borgy on July 16, 2008, 05:02:32 AM
Oh ok. Sorry it was quite muddy. Anyway let me rephrase... For a budget of 1500-2000, which OM brand will give you the best deal?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dayuhan on July 16, 2008, 10:16:45 AM
Oh ok. Sorry it was quite muddy. Anyway let me rephrase... For a budget of 1500-2000, which OM brand will give you the best deal?

Martin and Taylor both make very nice smaller bodied guitars, but there's no doubt that you pay a substantial name premium in both cases.

I've never played a Larrivee, but heard good things; they are also not cheap and the name carries some weight, though it's less well known than Martin or Taylor.

I think Guild offers huge value; "twice the guitar for half the money" may be exaggerated but not by much.  While they're mostly aimed at bigger instruments, you might want to look at the F47R.  It's Grand Orchestra, not OM, but you're talking a size difference of .625 inches across the lower bout and virtually identical across the waist.  Very nice guitars and in your price range.

If you're shopping in the US, definitely look at what's available second hand, some really exceptional deals come up.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on July 17, 2008, 10:32:12 AM
Oh ok. Sorry it was quite muddy. Anyway let me rephrase... For a budget of 1500-2000, which OM brand will give you the best deal?

pare, since nasa canada ka naman... just try all the om guitars w/in your budget... personally i like martin 00028vs... hanap ka ng used nasa mga 2k yan...the gibson robert johnson  model is also a very nice... approximating the size of the martin om or 000.. may larrivee ka na di ba??? om03 model??? taylors are also nice, modern sounding, balance... rosewood talaga gusto mo??? maganda maple models ng taylor, ibang iba dun sa gibby mo :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: borgy on July 17, 2008, 12:08:12 PM
pare, since nasa canada ka naman... just try all the om guitars w/in your budget... personally i like martin 00028vs... hanap ka ng used nasa mga 2k yan...the gibson robert johnson  model is also a very nice... approximating the size of the martin om or 000.. may larrivee ka na di ba??? om03 model??? taylors are also nice, modern sounding, balance... rosewood talaga gusto mo??? maganda maple models ng taylor, ibang iba dun sa gibby mo :-)

My Larrivee 0m3 is gone. It was very good for its 600 price.Sulit. I tried the OM bodied Martins especially the OM21 special and Om28. Halos kasing tunog lang ng OM3 or OM5 rosewood ng larrivee. That's why I am quite hesitant to get a Martin. I agree that Taylors are nice with maple wood pero mahal. I am still eyeing on an OM28v na 2nd hand.

At DAYUHAN:

I also heard nice reviews about Guild. I just dont see them frequently in the 2nd hand market.  Thanks for the advise.


Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on July 17, 2008, 06:41:14 PM
collings ka nalang :-D
dont forget to try the 12th fret models from martin and larrivee... panalo... kung ako 00028vs talaga

the newer guilds that i have tried were stiff... matigas at tukod tumunog...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 17, 2008, 08:12:40 PM
Oh ok. Sorry it was quite muddy. Anyway let me rephrase... For a budget of 1500-2000, which OM brand will give you the best deal?

price-wise, mas mahal ang Martins compared to Larrivees.  tone-wise, for my ears and fingers mas superior ang Martin. 

i got to try out several Martins and Larrivees when i went to Tom Lee HK.  iba talaga tumunog ang Martin.  i tried the OM and OOO bodies kasi yun ang gusto ko talaga.  maganda din tumunog ang Larrivee and considering the price, it's a worthy catch.  compared to the Taylors and Gibsons i've tried there, mas nagustuhan ko ang Larrivee.  spruce-rosewood combo Larrivee yata yung nasubukan ko.

the problem with what happened to me was...i went straight to the Martin room and spent a good 1 hour just playing there.  kaya when i shifted to Taylor, natigasan na ako sa tunog nya.  when i shifted to a Gibson, parang bitin ang sustain nya.  but when i tried the Larrivee, it still sounded pleasant to the ear.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on July 18, 2008, 09:43:21 AM
does froggybottom guitar fit his budget?

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: GGBR on July 18, 2008, 05:34:06 PM
does froggybottom guitar fit his budget?

he he..sana :-D :mrgreen: the ebay may have a solution to that...haven't encountered a froggy bottom on ebay...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on July 19, 2008, 01:03:23 AM
froggys are expensive... 3k up ang used prices unless may sira :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: borgy on July 21, 2008, 12:53:00 AM
Eto sana ang gas-ending OM para sakin. Kung may pera lang ako.......

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/msg/762113300.html

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: borgy on July 21, 2008, 01:10:08 PM
My new acoustic setup. AER amp is just wicked.
Yamaha APX7 and Gibson BKE
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p276/gibbyblues/acousticset.jpg)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 23, 2008, 07:05:21 PM
hehehe. yep!

pare, dumating na yung K&K mo? 
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 23, 2008, 08:11:16 PM
My new acoustic setup. AER amp is just wicked.
Yamaha APX7 and Gibson BKE
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p276/gibbyblues/acousticset.jpg)


i was saving up to get a Compact60 before...pero i got another amp instead.   :-D

how much did it cost you?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: borgy on July 24, 2008, 12:19:51 PM
i was saving up to get a Compact60 before...pero i got another amp instead.   :-D

how much did it cost you?

680 CAD ( x 43 petot) lang. Brand new pa. Meron nyan dati sa JB music . I really wanted it  but it cost 65k. The person who sold that also owns the Collings OM3 Brazilian Rosewood. He told me he wanted to learn guitar that's why he bought it. Darn!! What a freaking fortunate guy!! He starts with a 7k CAD guitar just to strum some basic chords?
I got to try his Collings also. Badtrip. The best OM I have ever tried. it was ridiculously light but tone was very defined. Ayoko bitawan It just sings. Better than the Brazilian Rosewood Clapton guitar.

eto sya.
http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/msg/762113300.html

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 25, 2008, 12:26:44 AM
680 CAD ( x 43 petot) lang. Brand new pa. Meron nyan dati sa JB music . I really wanted it  but it cost 65k. The person who sold that also owns the Collings OM3 Brazilian Rosewood. He told me he wanted to learn guitar that's why he bought it. Darn!! What a freaking fortunate guy!! He starts with a 7k CAD guitar just to strum some basic chords?
I got to try his Collings also. Badtrip. The best OM I have ever tried. it was ridiculously light but tone was very defined. Ayoko bitawan It just sings. Better than the Brazilian Rosewood Clapton guitar.

eto sya.
http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/msg/762113300.html



great score!  i hope you're enjoying it now with your acoustics. 

that's the thing with those who can afford.  well..we gotta give it to them though.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: borgy on July 25, 2008, 01:50:49 PM
I am very amazed by the sound the compact 60 can create. I am using the Gibson BKE and it sounded so nice with it. I still have to try magnetic pickups. Di ko alam kung same quality ng piezo.

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: af_villaruel on July 27, 2008, 07:34:57 PM
pare, dumating na yung K&K mo? 

ah not yet. dis week! yahoo!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 30, 2008, 10:08:11 AM
my package arrived at long last...i just hope they will work for my guitar.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 30, 2008, 10:10:31 AM
anyone who has an Ibanez artwood acoustic here?  kamusta naman ang price-to-tonality performance?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 31, 2008, 04:52:59 PM
dedicated to my 1,000th post.  this is the thread that taught me the most here in PhilMusic.  i made good friends in this thread.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on July 31, 2008, 10:17:45 PM
dedicated to my 1,000th post.  this is the thread that taught me the most here in PhilMusic.  i made good friends in this thread.  :-D

nice way to hit your thousandth <tama ba? hahah> thread. heheh. ano dumating na package mo fafa? na-install mo na?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on August 01, 2008, 09:08:29 AM
nice way to hit your thousandth <tama ba? hahah> thread. heheh. ano dumating na package mo fafa? na-install mo na?


hahaha!  tama naman!  electronics yung pinadeliver ko....bumigay na kasi ung electronics nung acoustic ko eh..i will have them replaced.  kaya lang yung timing depende pa sa technician ng friend ko.  the electronics and my guitar are with them already.  stand-by na lang ako.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on August 01, 2008, 10:38:19 AM
hahaha!  tama naman!  electronics yung pinadeliver ko....bumigay na kasi ung electronics nung acoustic ko eh..i will have them replaced.  kaya lang yung timing depende pa sa technician ng friend ko.  the electronics and my guitar are with them already.  stand-by na lang ako.  :-)

good for ya! heheh.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: borgy on August 01, 2008, 02:41:50 PM
My hunt for OM still continues..

I am down to MArtin 00028_EC Clapton sig  VS. Martin OM28v.
Halos pareho lang price and very similar in specs.
Alin kaya mas maganda?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on August 01, 2008, 04:34:30 PM
My hunt for OM still continues..

I am down to MArtin 00028_EC Clapton sig  VS. Martin OM28v.
Halos pareho lang price and very similar in specs.
Alin kaya mas maganda?

those pieces cost at least $3k brand new right?

i think the final choice will depend on your ears already.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on August 01, 2008, 07:00:06 PM
My hunt for OM still continues..

I am down to MArtin 00028_EC Clapton sig  VS. Martin OM28v.
Halos pareho lang price and very similar in specs.
Alin kaya mas maganda?

trust your ears... pero dun sa mga natry ko... om28v mas type ko... wider nut width + longer scale
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: borgy on August 02, 2008, 12:13:50 AM
maxi:   
the clapton costs 200 dollars more than the OMv.
Tried the clapton at Tom Lee and the OMv at Long and Macquade. Halos pareho lang.. Well i wasnt able to test them side by side...
sigh...
Let me just follow my heart then.  :-D
Wish me good luck.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on August 02, 2008, 11:42:19 PM
maxi:   
the clapton costs 200 dollars more than the OMv.
Tried the clapton at Tom Lee and the OMv at Long and Macquade. Halos pareho lang.. Well i wasnt able to test them side by side...
sigh...
Let me just follow my heart then.  :-D
Wish me good luck.

is the $200 difference attributable to the signature?  :-D

good luck bro!  your ears will guide you well.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: borgy on August 03, 2008, 01:16:22 AM
is the $200 difference attributable to the signature?  :-D

good luck bro!  your ears will guide you well.  :-)

YUn nga eh. baka sig lang ang difference. The acoustic guitar forum has high regards to the OMv.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on August 03, 2008, 12:25:20 PM
just gigged with my acoustic last night... nagbago isip ko di ko na benta. hahah. time for an action setup na lang. ang taas eh... heheh. gassing for an artec acoustic outboard eq. my guitar's passive piezo equipped so i need a preamp for this. i have a d.i. box so gnun na muna siguro. heheh.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on August 03, 2008, 09:35:46 PM
just gigged with my acoustic last night... nagbago isip ko di ko na benta. hahah. time for an action setup na lang. ang taas eh... heheh. gassing for an artec acoustic outboard eq. my guitar's passive piezo equipped so i need a preamp for this. i have a d.i. box so gnun na muna siguro. heheh.

what's your guitar and di box bro?  pag bumili ka ng outboard preamp, pwede na yun replacement for your di box kasi usually may balanced out naman ang mga outboard eh.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on August 07, 2008, 12:39:36 PM
what's your guitar and di box bro?  pag bumili ka ng outboard preamp, pwede na yun replacement for your di box kasi usually may balanced out naman ang mga outboard eh.

art x-direct bro. heheh. pag nakakuha ako nung hartke acoustic attack the best na yun. hirap nga lang hanap ng bibilhan dito.. yung artec outboard preamp nga lang line level ata ang labas. madalas kasi talaga direct to mixer ako lalo pag tinamad magbuhat ng amp.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: Aidz on August 07, 2008, 10:56:50 PM
pare ung akin 5,5 with tkl gigbag electric kasi kailangan ko kaya benta ko virgin pa un d pa nagagalaw

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on August 08, 2008, 10:11:18 AM
pare ung akin 5,5 with tkl gigbag electric kasi kailangan ko kaya benta ko virgin pa un d pa nagagalaw


:?

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on August 08, 2008, 11:05:12 AM
art x-direct bro. heheh. pag nakakuha ako nung hartke acoustic attack the best na yun. hirap nga lang hanap ng bibilhan dito.. yung artec outboard preamp nga lang line level ata ang labas. madalas kasi talaga direct to mixer ako lalo pag tinamad magbuhat ng amp.

kunin mo na yung hartke acoustic attack.  hindi advisable pag kumuha ka pa ng hiwalay na outboard preamp that doesn't have a balanced output.  at least yung acoustic attack is already a preamp/DI. :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: af_villaruel on August 09, 2008, 05:07:23 PM
OT: andito na ung k&k ko! yahuuu! sori, di ko lang matago excitement. will try to put reviews after i've installed it.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on August 12, 2008, 09:32:36 AM
OT: andito na ung k&k ko! yahuuu! sori, di ko lang matago excitement. will try to put reviews after i've installed it.

ayos!  kamusta ang tunog?

by the way, if any of you want need help on repairs, installations and other techie stuff, just contact GGBR.  he knows a very capable technician who did a great job in repairing my acoustic.   :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: af_villaruel on August 22, 2008, 08:43:41 PM
Ang haba nung nasulat ko tapos nawala. Bad trip. (page cannot be displayed crap) Heto ulit.

I installed the pickup myself. I had the endpin jack hole drilled by a local furniture shop. Hehehe. I followed the instructions in a website that lets you install the 3 leads of the K&K at one single time. I mean, it made sense for me. After that, I was about to fix the endpin jack when I found out na maliit yung butas for the endpin! Sabi kasi sa manual 1/2" drill bit eh so sinabi ko dun sa furniture shop earlier to use that kind of bit. Umoo lang pero siguro hindi talaga 1/2" yung ginamit. Anyway, I brought it over to Arie for him to drill the hole. After doing it, I finished installation.

BTW, off-topic lang. Napakabait talaga ni Sir Arie. I insisted on paying but hindi niya ko siningil. Nahihiya nga ako eh. Hehehe. Pero maraming salamat kay Sir Arie.

Anyway, I used the guitar in a gig. And quite honestly, I feel that the tone it gave me did not yield its full potential. As we know, the K&K PWM is a passive pickup, and I didn't have a preamp. I plugged straight into the PA kasi. I have yet to try the pickup with an outboard preamp. But as far as that gig was concerned, the pickup was not as exceptional as I expected. Siguro dahil nga sa impedance matching problems.

That is not to say, however, that I was not amazed. What blew me away was the fact that the tone sounded very transparent and indeed, as the reviews say, it sounds like your guitar only louder. No piezo quack. And ang ganda niya for strumming and rhythm parts. Thing is, medyo di ko pa siya na-aapreciate for fingerstyle work. Probably owing to the fact that I plugged straight into the PA without a preamp that would fix the impedance problems.

I'll post a review once I get hold of a decent preamp or have experienced plugging into one.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on August 22, 2008, 08:53:50 PM
kunin mo na yung hartke acoustic attack.  hindi advisable pag kumuha ka pa ng hiwalay na outboard preamp that doesn't have a balanced output.  at least yung acoustic attack is already a preamp/DI. :-)

oo nga eh.. yun lang ala pa ako mahanap na bilihan. heheh. i hope i find it soon.. pati yung money na pambili. hahah.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on August 22, 2008, 10:10:31 PM
acoustic gas nanaman :-) :-(
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: khimzzy on August 22, 2008, 11:01:33 PM
i have a crafter more series with timberplus na electronics.....compare ko sa dati kong taylor i prefer crafter (us made) and my cort ntl series with goose neck pick ups
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on August 28, 2008, 09:36:19 AM
acoustic gas nanaman :-) :-(

yung Gibson ba doc? :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on August 28, 2008, 09:52:54 AM
here are some photos of the recent upgrade i had made to my guitars:  Bone Nuts and Saddles!

(http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq152/maxi_musikero/PhilMusic%20Photos/Sad.jpg)

(http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq152/maxi_musikero/PhilMusic%20Photos/BN4.jpg)

(http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq152/maxi_musikero/PhilMusic%20Photos/BN5.jpg)

(http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq152/maxi_musikero/PhilMusic%20Photos/BoneNut7.jpg)


the difference:  more sustain and better volume

one of my acoustics is a solid-body Gibson and the bone nut and saddle increased its projection considerably.  the response of the strings is better when i pluck/strum them and the sustain is incredible.

many thanks to GGBR for these upgrades.  he was the one who offered to replace the plastic saddle and nut of my acoustic to bone ones.  he has a machine (as seen in the pics) for modifying the nuts and the saddles.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on August 28, 2008, 11:27:37 AM
here's my acoustic gear:

(http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq152/maxi_musikero/PhilMusic%20Photos/Gear/DSC04874.jpg)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on August 28, 2008, 09:37:59 PM
here's my acoustic gear:

(http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq152/maxi_musikero/PhilMusic%20Photos/Gear/DSC04874.jpg)

nice pair :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on August 28, 2008, 09:39:21 PM
yung Gibson ba doc? :-D

wala pa bagong nabibili... i want a slope shoulder dred and a small acoustic
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on August 28, 2008, 09:41:29 PM
here are some photos of the recent upgrade i had made to my guitars:  Bone Nuts and Saddles!

the difference:  more sustain and better volume

one of my acoustics is a solid-body Gibson and the bone nut and saddle increased its projection considerably.  the response of the strings is better when i pluck/strum them and the sustain is incredible.

many thanks to GGBR for these upgrades.  he was the one who offered to replace the plastic saddle and nut of my acoustic to bone ones.  he has a machine (as seen in the pics) for modifying the nuts and the saddles.  :-)

tone is in the bone!!!!!! i think bone nut and saddles is a necessary upgrade for acoustics. nice nice.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on August 29, 2008, 11:31:44 AM
nice pair :-)

thanks doc!  small acoustic = parlor size?  may na-try akong parlor acoustic na China-made.  laminate top and solid back yata.  ganda ng tunog, sustain and volume.  surprising for a parlor-sized guitar. :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on August 29, 2008, 11:39:04 AM
tone is in the bone!!!!!! i think bone nut and saddles is a necessary upgrade for acoustics. nice nice.

currently i'm having my Ovation upgraded to bone din.  pina-repair ko rin yung electronics kasi may problem daw sa volume pot.  gusto mo i-refer din kita for upgrades?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on August 29, 2008, 11:56:31 AM
thanks doc!  small acoustic = parlor size?  may na-try akong parlor acoustic na China-made.  laminate top and solid back yata.  ganda ng tunog, sustain and volume.  surprising for a parlor-sized guitar. :-)

san ka naka-try, dito ba sa Manila?  naghahanap ako nyan e.  kahit China.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on August 29, 2008, 12:16:40 PM
san ka naka-try, dito ba sa Manila?  naghahanap ako nyan e.  kahit China.

yung kay GGBR yung na-try ko.  he got it from JB (Makati, i think).  it is an unbranded parlor that is China-made.  i'm not sure if there are still units sold in JB of this type.  he upgraded it to bone nut and saddle and he installed an AER AK-15 on it.

i gigged it 3 times already.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: quietstorm on August 29, 2008, 02:49:50 PM
YAMAHA CPX-5 gamit ko tsaka BOSS RV-5...
SWABE... :-) :-) :wink: :wink:
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on August 29, 2008, 04:57:29 PM
currently i'm having my Ovation upgraded to bone din.  pina-repair ko rin yung electronics kasi may problem daw sa volume pot.  gusto mo i-refer din kita for upgrades?

san shop? ayusin ko lang nut and saddle nung beloved fernando ko. heheh. sira na kasi nut eh...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on August 29, 2008, 05:35:53 PM
san shop? ayusin ko lang nut and saddle nung beloved fernando ko. heheh. sira na kasi nut eh...

actually, i just give my guitar to GGBR.  we meet in Makati area.  he's the one doing the bone nut and saddle.  for a price of course.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on August 29, 2008, 05:45:52 PM
YAMAHA CPX-5 gamit ko tsaka BOSS RV-5...
SWABE... :-) :-) :wink: :wink:

i got to try a RV-5 in Yupancgo with a Line6 Variax Acoustic.  Swabe nga...kaya lang mahal. :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on August 29, 2008, 08:06:37 PM
actually, i just give my guitar to GGBR.  we meet in Makati area.  he's the one doing the bone nut and saddle.  for a price of course.  :-)

ah.. medyo malayo. heheh. mukhang sulit naman yung price... heheh. nice find!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on August 29, 2008, 08:16:34 PM
ah.. medyo malayo. heheh. mukhang sulit naman yung price... heheh. nice find!

taga-san ka ba bro?  maybe i can help you.  :-)

sulit talaga yung price for the improvement in the tone of my guitars.  i'm currently enjoying it!  playing Eheads songs!  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: quietstorm on August 30, 2008, 03:34:22 PM
i got to try a RV-5 in Yupancgo with a Line6 Variax Acoustic.  Swabe nga...kaya lang mahal. :-)
yep,medyo madugo nga ang presyo...  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dayuhan on September 02, 2008, 05:26:03 PM
Well, I came down to the city, and right now I'm sitting in a friend's place in Makati.  A few hours ago I dropped by RJ in Ayala Center and ran the hands over that Guild 12 string that's apparently been in there forever.

It's a JF30-12, maple sides, arched maple back, spruce top, 3 piece neck, 2 truss rods.  Heavy, and definitely neck-heavy.  Neck is on the chunky side, but it's a 12, and the Guild 12-strings have a reputation for lasting forever.  This is one step back from top of the line, which in a jumbo maple 12 would be F412 or JF65-12 (basically the same thing in different years).

They say the guitar is "new old stock", but it's made in Westerly, RI, which puts it back before 2001, when Guild production moved to Corona, CA.  So it's more like "new REALLY old stock".

It doesn't sound that great.  A lot of that is the strings, I'd bet they've been on there 5 years at least and they are as dead as a Congressman's morals.  I didn't even try to tune it, too much work; wasn't that far out but enough to give a bit of "that ain't right".  Still, there's more sustain than a badly strung guitar deserves to have, and I get a little feeling that given a bit of love she might open up and sing right nicely.

Unfortunately, they want 89,000 freakin' pesos, which is just insane.  You can get an F412 in the US for under $1500, I doubt a JF30-12 would be too far over $1000.  Sure there's gonna be a price differential here, but that's ridiculous.

The salesman asked me what I thought, I told him "needs new strings".  He comes back with... "We'll put new strings on!  We'll even include... THE CASE!!".  I briefly considered smacking him, just to wake him up, or at least telling him that for that price they should be including a night with the cashier, but didn't.  Didn't buy it either.

Still, sayyang, hope she ends up with someone who will treat her right...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on September 02, 2008, 08:52:06 PM
@maxi

makati based si GGBR ?? san sya dun ?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 03, 2008, 06:28:20 AM
@maxi

makati based si GGBR ?? san sya dun ?

honestly, hindi ko sure kung san talaga.  but we meet in makati area.  it may be better if you ask him. :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 10, 2008, 10:53:50 AM
currently, i'm having my Ovation Tangent repaired by GGBR's technician.  i gave GGBR my Ovation for a bone saddle replacement and pickup replacement.  so far, he has been giving me great feedback on the massive improvement in the Ovation's tone because of the saddle replacement.  i will continually post the developments in this thread for everyone. :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: strummer on September 10, 2008, 03:27:46 PM
i just gigged acoustic last week with my band. the bassist was not around so i had to bring an acoustic. problem is i didnt have a preamp for my passive piezo acoustic so i brought in the electric.

after the first set bitin talaga yung electric. i had to fill in the low end but i couldnt use the acoustic with the mixer because it didnt have a built in preamp. out of desperation i had this brilliant plan to use my compressor as a preamp so i plugged my acoustic into my effects board. the digitech chorus was on though and when i strummed my acoustic... whoa. it sounded like heaven!

i didnt bother to turn on the compressor and i went ahead to finish the set <and another one afterwards> with the acoustic plugged into the chorus pedal. lucky me i dont think ill be needing a preamp soon <although i still intend to buy me a hartke acoustic attack>.

the sound was so full as if my guitar was played through a preamp. good thing i didnt need to tweak it as it sounded balanced and good even without an eq. i wanted to play it through the phaser but somehow it doesnt work. it shreiks when i turn it on. maybe it's because it's before the chorus. i guess it will sound right if i put the chorus before the phaser..

here's the layout of my board

guitar>wah>phaser>chorus>direct box>house.

yeba.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 11, 2008, 09:20:06 AM
ano ba nagagawa ng compressor sa tone bro?  sorry hindi kasi talaga ako familiar sa effects eh. :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: aldogucci on September 11, 2008, 09:31:34 AM
I have a 1965 Gibson LGO. Solid mahogany top and laminate mahogany sides and back.  All original parts, even the plastic bridge. I ordered an ebony bridge from the US. I may replace the nut and saddle too siice that will probably improve the sound.  Also, the guitar has a lot of "checking" which it makes it look pretty cool.

Anyone have any idea how much I could sell this guitar for in Manila?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dayuhan on September 11, 2008, 10:40:29 AM
Just as a place to start, a quick look at Gbase and eBay tells us that in the US, a mid 60s LGO in good condition runs anywhere from $500-$700.

Of course there's a premium in Manila, but how much of one is open to interpretation.  People ask pretty extreme prices for name brand US acoustics (not too many are available) so I guess people do pay those prices.

A lot depends on the condition, and that means more than just finish issues.  Most important is the condition of the neck; if it looks like a reset is needed or coming up soon (a real possibility in an acoustic of that vintage), that's going to hit the sale value pretty hard.  How is the action, esp in the higher frets?  Has the saddle been shaved way down?  Is there a noticeable bulge in the top?

Normal play wear is expected, and any serious buyer/player is not going to worry too much about some dings or finish wear in a guitar that age.  Just speaking for myself, though... if the neck isn't straight, if there are loose braces or serious bulging in the top, or serious cracks... that would have a major impact on what I'd pay.

Personally... if it looked solid and I liked the sound and playability, I could imagine being interested at Php 30-35k.  Much higher than that, probably not, unless I really loved the sound and feel.  You could list it here at 50, see if anyone bites, and then work down from there...

Got pictures?



I have a 1965 Gibson LGO. Solid mahogany top and laminate mahogany sides and back.  All original parts, even the plastic bridge. I ordered an ebony bridge from the US. I may replace the nut and saddle too siice that will probably improve the sound.  Also, the guitar has a lot of "checking" which it makes it look pretty cool.

Anyone have any idea how much I could sell this guitar for in Manila?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: aldogucci on September 11, 2008, 11:08:12 AM
That's good feedback - thanks.  The guitar needs to be set up, but I don't think the neck needs to be reset - it looks straight with no twisting.  However, I plan to have it thoroughly checked out and setup, plus have the new bridge installed. Action looks a little high in the higher frets.  No bulging on the top and no loose braces (BTW, this is an old LGO with ladder bracing). A little fret buzz which the setup should take care of.  The usual scratches and dents for a 43 year old guitar, but no cracks on the body.  I'm the 3rd owner of this guitar and the 2nd owner had a neck crack professionally repaired in the USA in 1983 - this has not affected the guitar's tone. BTW, this is not a dreadnaught, so its not as loud, but has a nice tone. Good for fingerpicking and blues. I bought it because I wanted a cool looking vintage travel guitar.  But I have too many guitars, so I don't mind parting with it for the right price.

I'll try to post pictures later.  If you're interested, I can show you the guitar in a few weeks once the work has been done. Comes with non-original chipboard case.  Email me at aldogucci@gmail.com

Just as a place to start, a quick look at Gbase and eBay tells us that in the US, a mid 60s LGO in good condition runs anywhere from $500-$700.

Of course there's a premium in Manila, but how much of one is open to interpretation.  People ask pretty extreme prices for name brand US acoustics (not too many are available) so I guess people do pay those prices.

A lot depends on the condition, and that means more than just finish issues.  Most important is the condition of the neck; if it looks like a reset is needed or coming up soon (a real possibility in an acoustic of that vintage), that's going to hit the sale value pretty hard.  How is the action, esp in the higher frets?  Has the saddle been shaved way down?  Is there a noticeable bulge in the top?

Normal play wear is expected, and any serious buyer/player is not going to worry too much about some dings or finish wear in a guitar that age.  Just speaking for myself, though... if the neck isn't straight, if there are loose braces or serious bulging in the top, or serious cracks... that would have a major impact on what I'd pay.

Personally... if it looked solid and I liked the sound and playability, I could imagine being interested at Php 30-35k.  Much higher than that, probably not, unless I really loved the sound and feel.  You could list it here at 50, see if anyone bites, and then work down from there...

Got pictures?



Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 11, 2008, 11:51:30 AM
i'm not sure with the 50k price...maybe someone with a vintage guitar taste will buy that at that price.  i know someone who sells a Larrivee OM03 with Bearclaw Spruce top for 50K - all-solid wood construction.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dayuhan on September 11, 2008, 01:33:27 PM
BTW, this is not a dreadnaught, so its not as loud, but has a nice tone. Good for fingerpicking and blues. I bought it because I wanted a cool looking vintage travel guitar.  But I have too many guitars, so I don't mind parting with it for the right price.

I'll try to post pictures later.  If you're interested, I can show you the guitar in a few weeks once the work has been done. Comes with non-original chipboard case.  Email me at aldogucci@gmail.com

I wouldn't expect it to sound like what I'm used to... my acoustic is a Guild Jumbo (F50R) strung with mediums.  Even a lot of dreadnaughts sound anemic by comparison; hard strumming is known to register on the Richter scale.  Still, I'm kind of half in the market for a smaller bodied guitar that I could keep in open G or DADGAD to have another option around the house, and use for traveling and at campfire jams where people you don't know want to try your guitar (the Guild is pristine and I'm possessive).

Not in any rush, let me know when she's ready for a look... I live in Sagada and don't get to Manila often, but things sometimes work out.

Maxi, I'm not saying I'd pay 50, I wouldn't.  Some people are really into old stuff, though, and the Gibson brand has some clout.  I don't figure it would hurt him to run that number up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes; if nobody does, he can always drop the price down. 

50 is not a half bad deal for an OM-03 in good condition, is that guitar for sale now?

Of course what I really want is a 12-string... GAS is a terrible thing!

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 11, 2008, 02:24:04 PM
Maxi, I'm not saying I'd pay 50, I wouldn't.  Some people are really into old stuff, though, and the Gibson brand has some clout.  I don't figure it would hurt him to run that number up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes; if nobody does, he can always drop the price down. 

50 is not a half bad deal for an OM-03 in good condition, is that guitar for sale now?

Of course what I really want is a 12-string... GAS is a terrible thing!

i'm not sure if the OM-03 is still for sale.  this was offered to me almost a year ago and i'm not sure if he already sold his guitar.  i will ask around and get back to you.  btw, if you the check Larrivee's website, you may notice that he already hiked the prices up a bit. :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: aldogucci on September 11, 2008, 02:25:38 PM
Wow - that's very high for a Larrivee OM-03.  The Blue Book price on that guitar is $400-$700, depending on condition.  What's the guitar like?

i'm not sure with the 50k price...maybe someone with a vintage guitar taste will buy that at that price.  i know someone who sells a Larrivee OM03 with Bearclaw Spruce top for 50K - all-solid wood construction.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 11, 2008, 02:32:11 PM
Wow - that's very high for a Larrivee OM-03.  The Blue Book price on that guitar is $400-$700, depending on condition.  What's the guitar like?


actually, i haven't seen the guitar.  i think the increment in the price is due to the Bearclaw Spruce top characteristic.  a normal OM-03 comes with Canadian Spruce.  according to a friend of the seller, the guitar is in great condition but i can't really attest to that since i haven't seen nor played it.

paging Doc Dave. :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dayuhan on September 11, 2008, 06:05:55 PM
Another acoustic treat:


She can play...
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 11, 2008, 06:14:04 PM
Another acoustic treat:


She can play...

and sing at the same time!  great blues licks. :-)

Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: deltaslim on September 11, 2008, 06:47:45 PM
Laki naman ng gitara ni Bonnie.  I wish I had a parlor.  Tamang tama ang size at weight habang nagrerecover sa hospital bed or wheelchair.  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: simon_divitico on September 11, 2008, 10:06:59 PM
Wuy mga sir may tanong ako. May nakita ako nag-aacoustic may takip na parang cartolina yung sound hole nung guitar, para san yun?  :?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 11, 2008, 10:36:51 PM
Wuy mga sir may tanong ako. May nakita ako nag-aacoustic may takip na parang cartolina yung sound hole nung guitar, para san yun?  :?

it's called feedback buster. 

actually, i can't give a very accurate explanation as to how this eliminates feedback, but it does.  since an acoustic is hollow body, a feedback buster makes it like a solid body.  i'm sure someone here can provide a good explanation on feedback.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: aldogucci on September 11, 2008, 10:54:51 PM
I like Guilds myself. In fact, my favorite of my acoustics is my Guild GAD50. Made in China, but wonderful tone. In addition to my 1965 Gibson LGO, my other acoustics which I play regularly are 1984 Gibson J-25 and 1981 Gibson Heritage.  I also have a hand-built dreadnaught made by a luthier named Stroup from Colorado.

I wouldn't expect it to sound like what I'm used to... my acoustic is a Guild Jumbo (F50R) strung with mediums.  Even a lot of dreadnaughts sound anemic by comparison; hard strumming is known to register on the Richter scale.  Still, I'm kind of half in the market for a smaller bodied guitar that I could keep in open G or DADGAD to have another option around the house, and use for traveling and at campfire jams where people you don't know want to try your guitar (the Guild is pristine and I'm possessive).

Not in any rush, let me know when she's ready for a look... I live in Sagada and don't get to Manila often, but things sometimes work out.

Maxi, I'm not saying I'd pay 50, I wouldn't.  Some people are really into old stuff, though, and the Gibson brand has some clout.  I don't figure it would hurt him to run that number up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes; if nobody does, he can always drop the price down. 

50 is not a half bad deal for an OM-03 in good condition, is that guitar for sale now?

Of course what I really want is a 12-string... GAS is a terrible thing!


Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: dantuts on September 11, 2008, 11:17:58 PM
Laki naman ng gitara ni Bonnie.  I wish I had a parlor.  Tamang tama ang size at weight habang nagrerecover sa hospital bed or wheelchair.  :-D

hehe... pagaling ka joric..
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 11, 2008, 11:21:38 PM
Laki naman ng gitara ni Bonnie.  I wish I had a parlor.  Tamang tama ang size at weight habang nagrerecover sa hospital bed or wheelchair.  :-D

if in my (not-so-frequent-anymore) visits to music stores i happen to encounter a parlour-sized guitar, i will let you know right away.  of course i'll first ensure that it is of good quality, workmanship and tone.  my prayers still include you Joric. :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 11, 2008, 11:36:16 PM
@af_villaruel

why are you selling the Egima?  :-o

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,108220.0.html

you just installed the K&K Mini diba?
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: af_villaruel on September 11, 2008, 11:51:14 PM
i have betrayed the brotherhood. i want an electric! LOL  :-D acoustic bands seem to be phasing out these days. i've never really been in a full-band setup professionally. i think it's high time. for higher pay, too. LOL
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 12, 2008, 12:04:43 AM
i have betrayed the brotherhood. i want an electric! LOL  :-D acoustic bands seem to be phasing out these days. i've never really been in a full-band setup professionally. i think it's high time. for higher pay, too. LOL

good luck on your new-found quest my brother.  you will always be a member of our brotherhood.  :lol:

seriously though bro, why don't you keep your acoustic with your full-band setup?  although talagang mas versatile ang electric in terms of tone, warmth ang binibigay ng acoustic na hindi ma-achieve ng electric.  well, it actually depends on the genre you will be playing. :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: af_villaruel on September 12, 2008, 12:10:11 AM
i only have the resources for one guitar. i do, however, have an epi chet atkins lying around the house that belongs to my friend. di ko pa natitignan kung my sira or whatever. :) i'm planning to restore it so that i could use it for acoustic gigs. :) minor issues lang, i think the pots are bad. dunno abt the piezo pup.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 12, 2008, 12:35:14 AM
i only have the resources for one guitar. i do, however, have an epi chet atkins lying around the house that belongs to my friend. di ko pa natitignan kung my sira or whatever. :) i'm planning to restore it so that i could use it for acoustic gigs. :) minor issues lang, i think the pots are bad. dunno abt the piezo pup.

i have a Gibson Chet Atkins.  i had it restored and upgraded c/o GGBR.  i posted some pics in the previous pages and a testament to the tonal improvement a bone saddle and nut gives to an acoustic.  i had its pickup replaced and the saddle and nut upgraded to bone.  yung tone pots na lang ang kulang ko.  nag-order na ako kay BossingBoss at pag dumating, marerestore na ng buo yung Chet. 

if you want yours repaired, just let me know. :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: af_villaruel on September 18, 2008, 12:41:15 AM
i actually am interested. i don't know how much that'll cost me. pm me an estimate.

anyway, the chet sst i have is kinda old, and because of that, naging crunchy na yung plastic saddle. and i broke it. hahaha. well, that's kinda easy, right? here's the catch, while trying to look at the old piezo, i broke the damn thing too because it was also "crunchy" because it was old. anyway, the old thing was crappy and i really am intending to upgrade the old piezo and at the same time maybe change the nut and saddle to bone. what pickup did you use with your upgrade? i don't want it to cost that much, but i don't want to sacrifice tone too.

oh, and by the way, is there a need to replace the bridge? because i think the saddle slot on the chet sst is kinda thin.

also, what pots did you order? there's to on the epi chet, i guess for volume and tone. is it the same for the gibson?

enlighten me, please!  :-D :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 18, 2008, 01:04:27 AM
actually, i haven't seen the guitar.  i think the increment in the price is due to the Bearclaw Spruce top characteristic.  a normal OM-03 comes with Canadian Spruce.  according to a friend of the seller, the guitar is in great condition but i can't really attest to that since i haven't seen nor played it.

paging Doc Dave. :-D

Glen sold that guitar already several months ago... yup its more expensive because of the bear claw top... :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: farseer on September 18, 2008, 01:05:37 AM
I have a 1965 Gibson LGO. Solid mahogany top and laminate mahogany sides and back.  All original parts, even the plastic bridge. I ordered an ebony bridge from the US. I may replace the nut and saddle too siice that will probably improve the sound.  Also, the guitar has a lot of "checking" which it makes it look pretty cool.

Anyone have any idea how much I could sell this guitar for in Manila?

that the one from charles??? 25k more or less :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 18, 2008, 10:46:32 AM
i actually am interested. i don't know how much that'll cost me. pm me an estimate.

the saddle and nut replacement was done along with the electronics repair kaya i can't give you an estimate as to how much the bone and saddle replacement costs separately.  but i can assure you it's reasonable.


anyway, the chet sst i have is kinda old, and because of that, naging crunchy na yung plastic saddle. and i broke it. hahaha. well, that's kinda easy, right? here's the catch, while trying to look at the old piezo, i broke the damn thing too because it was also "crunchy" because it was old. anyway, the old thing was crappy and i really am intending to upgrade the old piezo and at the same time maybe change the nut and saddle to bone. what pickup did you use with your upgrade? i don't want it to cost that much, but i don't want to sacrifice tone too.

oh, and by the way, is there a need to replace the bridge? because i think the saddle slot on the chet sst is kinda thin.

i got a Korean brand pickup.  i think i still have some extra piezos at home (yeah..they're that damn cheap!  :-D).  i ordered semi-bulk, meaning i ordered more than one of each item i ordered.  i think they are actually the manufacturer for American brands like Fishman and LR Baggs, but i'm not sure (and maybe they won't admit it either), but their stuff are very similar to their American counterparts.  American marketing adds too much to the price.  given this, there will be no problem quality-wise.  :-)

the thing with these piezos, they have to (as much as possible) fit the dimensions of the saddle slot.  what i did, i gave the whole package to GGBR and let him and his technician weave their magic. 

i don't think you need a bridge replacement.  the saddle slot is really thin, but i don't think that will be a problem because a piezo can be thinner and the bone material can be fashioned to fit the slot.


also, what pots did you order? there's to on the epi chet, i guess for volume and tone. is it the same for the gibson?

enlighten me, please!  :-D :-D

i ordered pots from Richard (BossingBoss) in one of the websites.  the Gibson has 3 pots (volume, treble, bass).  you have to know the resistance value for the pots your Epi uses.  mine is 50k and they are mini pots.

this is the thing bro:  right now i'm gigging with the Gibson Chet with only VOLUME working on my preamp.  bass and treble aren't working yet because i'm still waiting for the minipots to arrive.  the tone is AWESOME.  more punchy than before it was repaired and more volume and sustain because of the bone material.  i can play it with FLAT EQ on the mixer!
 
hope this helped.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 18, 2008, 06:07:17 PM
i didnt bother to turn on the compressor and i went ahead to finish the set <and another one afterwards> with the acoustic plugged into the chorus pedal. lucky me i dont think ill be needing a preamp soon <although i still intend to buy me a hartke acoustic attack>.

bro, i sent you PM regarding this.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: af_villaruel on September 18, 2008, 07:31:01 PM
maxi:

ic. well, i live near arie, so i guess the bone nut and saddle won't be so much a problem. siguro yung cost lang. i never really asked him how much that would cost.

so, you used your korean piezo for the gibson? how much is it? could i buy one from you? hehehe. :D anyways, since i don't see GGBR posting these days, could you also PM me perhaps his number and/or how much it cost you for him to do the operation on your gibson?

as for the pots, i believe mine uses mini-pots too, although i have to confirm as to the resistance value. probably it's 50k too. mine has two pots. volume and tone lang. i don't know if they're still good. maybe i'll have the piezo operation done 1st and then substitute pots should the old ones be problematic.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: nathanfadera on September 18, 2008, 07:42:43 PM
I'm not really an acoustic player....  Actually frustration ko yun...  Hehe.  And I don't own one..  Well I have a nylon na Yamaha CX-40 lang.

May na try ako acoustic ng friend ko.  I don't know which model.  Martin siya.  Isa sa mga pinaka mura.  All black siya and walang tatak ng Martin sa Head.  Sa loob lang ng guitar.  He bought it like for only... $700 ata.  Pero gusto ko yung tunog niya.  Ang ganda.  I don't know how to describe it since I'm not really an acoustic player.  Hehe.

I'm hoping to get an affordable acoustic guitar.  I'm planning to buy an Ibanez since that it's not SUPER expensive and it's affordable.   :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 18, 2008, 09:59:43 PM
maxi:

ic. well, i live near arie, so i guess the bone nut and saddle won't be so much a problem. siguro yung cost lang. i never really asked him how much that would cost.

so, you used your korean piezo for the gibson? how much is it? could i buy one from you? hehehe. :D anyways, since i don't see GGBR posting these days, could you also PM me perhaps his number and/or how much it cost you for him to do the operation on your gibson?

as for the pots, i believe mine uses mini-pots too, although i have to confirm as to the resistance value. probably it's 50k too. mine has two pots. volume and tone lang. i don't know if they're still good. maybe i'll have the piezo operation done 1st and then substitute pots should the old ones be problematic.


i'll send you a PM bro for the prices. :-)

the thing with USTs is that since they pick up the vibration of the strings from under the saddle, it is very difficult (and i mean difficult) to achieve balanced string volume once you are plugged.  some strings sound louder/softer than the others.  this is due to the contact the saddle has with the UST.  it makes a lot of difference.

in the case of your Epi Chet, i think the UST comes with the saddle.  this is the case with my Gibson Chet.  when GGBR had the saddle replaced to bone and the UST installed, the string volume wasn't immediately balanced.  in order to balance string volume, he had to shave off some portions of the bone material, put it back, and then try again.  it is a tedious trial-and-error process because even the slightest over/under shaving will yield big results in terms of string volume.  it will take a while for it to be "close to perfect" for his standards.  knowing the man, those standards are pretty high.   :-D

as for the minipots, i ordered from Richard and he gave it to me like 250 per minipot.
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: af_villaruel on September 19, 2008, 01:52:49 PM
got the PM. thanks!
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: aldogucci on November 04, 2008, 12:00:22 PM
I've decided to sell my 1965 Gibson LGO along with 2 other Gibson vintage acoustics. Here's the link to my post:  http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,115027.0.html

I wouldn't expect it to sound like what I'm used to... my acoustic is a Guild Jumbo (F50R) strung with mediums.  Even a lot of dreadnaughts sound anemic by comparison; hard strumming is known to register on the Richter scale.  Still, I'm kind of half in the market for a smaller bodied guitar that I could keep in open G or DADGAD to have another option around the house, and use for traveling and at campfire jams where people you don't know want to try your guitar (the Guild is pristine and I'm possessive).

Not in any rush, let me know when she's ready for a look... I live in Sagada and don't get to Manila often, but things sometimes work out.

Maxi, I'm not saying I'd pay 50, I wouldn't.  Some people are really into old stuff, though, and the Gibson brand has some clout.  I don't figure it would hurt him to run that number up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes; if nobody does, he can always drop the price down. 

50 is not a half bad deal for an OM-03 in good condition, is that guitar for sale now?

Of course what I really want is a 12-string... GAS is a terrible thing!


Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: aldogucci on November 04, 2008, 12:01:29 PM
I've decided to sell my 1965 Gibson LGO along with 2 other Gibson vintage acoustics. Here's the link to my post:  http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,115027.0.html

I wouldn't expect it to sound like what I'm used to... my acoustic is a Guild Jumbo (F50R) strung with mediums.  Even a lot of dreadnaughts sound anemic by comparison; hard strumming is known to register on the Richter scale.  Still, I'm kind of half in the market for a smaller bodied guitar that I could keep in open G or DADGAD to have another option around the house, and use for traveling and at campfire jams where people you don't know want to try your guitar (the Guild is pristine and I'm possessive).

Not in any rush, let me know when she's ready for a look... I live in Sagada and don't get to Manila often, but things sometimes work out.

Maxi, I'm not saying I'd pay 50, I wouldn't.  Some people are really into old stuff, though, and the Gibson brand has some clout.  I don't figure it would hurt him to run that number up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes; if nobody does, he can always drop the price down. 

50 is not a half bad deal for an OM-03 in good condition, is that guitar for sale now?

Of course what I really want is a 12-string... GAS is a terrible thing!


Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on November 04, 2008, 01:05:01 PM
I've decided to sell my 1965 Gibson LGO along with 2 other Gibson vintage acoustics. Here's the link to my post:  http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,115027.0.html


what inspired you to sell those Gibsons?  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: aldogucci on November 04, 2008, 03:39:52 PM
I'm planning to use the sale proceeds to buy a high end Martin, probably the HD-28 or HD-28V.

what inspired you to sell those Gibsons?  :-D
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: maxi_musikero on November 04, 2008, 03:45:38 PM
I'm planning to use the sale proceeds to buy a high end Martin, probably the HD-28 or HD-28V.


good choice!  good luck on your upgrade!  :-D

i'm planning my next acoustic purchase late next year, if and when i go back to Hongkong.  i'm planning to get a Larrivee OM.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: aldogucci on November 04, 2008, 03:56:10 PM
Very nice. I just tried the HD-28V in Tom Lee Music in HK last week and loved it.

If you know anyone who may be interested in my Gibsons, let me know. I've already sold the 1981 Gibson Heritage, but my 1984 Gibson J-25 and 1965 Gibson LGO are still available.  Thanks

good choice!  good luck on your upgrade!  :-D

i'm planning my next acoustic purchase late next year, if and when i go back to Hongkong.  i'm planning to get a Larrivee OM.  :-)
Title: Re: True Acoustic Tone
Post by: borgy on November 08, 2008, 03:31:36 PM