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Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on July 19, 2006, 10:20:44 AM
Okay, forumites! Listen up!

If you had a chance to walk into a studio and be taught everything under the sun about recording, what would you like to know?

I have been in discussion with another forumite about setting up a workshop to learn about recording. The basic premise is that we will work with what is locally available, hardware and software-wise, mimicking the plight of most recordists here. The goal is to try to educate most musicians/bands on how to properly record their music, if possible in a DIY setting. Hopefully, we will post mp3's and pics of the workshop's progress. The purpose of this post is to let us know specifically, what interests the majority out there.

Any violent reactions?
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Sound Weavers on July 19, 2006, 03:48:12 PM
Excellent idea KITC.

One immediate and obvious suggestion is to break down to related subjects/topics

- Tracking. Signal chain, mic selection, mic placement.

- Editing

- Mixing

Gerry
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jplacson on July 19, 2006, 07:09:36 PM
basics... proper miking techniques given different situations...

-understanding room modes and effect on miking techniques

-miking a band all in one room

-miking just the drums, given limited mics

-miking drums individually

-miking acoustic guitars

-why use room mics... why NOT to use them... same goes for close miking, the whys and why nots.

-gain staging (why to NOT just pump up trim/gain)
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Jie on July 19, 2006, 07:38:51 PM
This is a great idea!
For everyone who's into recording this is a chance to put those knowledge into practice.
This event will certainly give a positive result.

Few things i would like to add...
 Effects Processor
 Mixing
 Mastering
 
Jie
 
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on July 19, 2006, 08:04:13 PM
I think it's better to start with Live Sound first because that's where the fundamentals of audio are.

example: What's a "decibel"?  :?
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Agent_So on July 20, 2006, 01:31:41 AM
sakin better to know first the hardware used.. how to connect each hardware to each other and what are the best, loacally available hardware for recording.. for example. instruments>>mixer>>processors>>interface>>pc>> end product

for me.. mas maganda malaman muna ang function ng bawat isa para ma setup ng maigi..

and another thing na gusto ko malaman is what are the advantages/dis-advantages ng ng pc recording or using  recording equipments like tascams has..

actually sir kitC, im planning to ask you nga sana if i can visit your studio para makita setup mo and to gain knowlege as well..hehehe. if thats ok.. :oops:
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: markthevirtuoso on July 20, 2006, 02:36:40 AM
Quote from: Tarkuz Toccata
I think it's better to start with Live Sound first because that's where the fundamentals of audio are.

example: What's a "decibel"?  :?


True, however we know that decibels manifest in various perspectives (ie dBv, dBu, dBw, dBm, dBspl etc...).

Better yet, start with the main source of the subject - "What is sound?" :wink:

Just my opinion. :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: markthevirtuoso on July 20, 2006, 02:40:42 AM
Quote from: KitC
Okay, forumites! Listen up!

If you had a chance to walk into a studio and be taught everything under the sun about recording, what would you like to know?

I have been in discussion with another forumite about setting up a workshop to learn about recording. The basic premise is that we will work with what is locally available, hardware and software-wise, mimicking the plight of most recordists here. The goal is to try to educate most musicians/bands on how to properly record their music, if possible in a DIY setting. Hopefully, we will post mp3's and pics of the workshop's progress. The purpose of this post is to let us know specifically, what interests the majority out there.

Any violent reactions?


Ok yan sir. :D Sana may mga nag-ku-kusa ring mag-organize nang ganyang workshops dito. :(
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on July 20, 2006, 04:02:24 AM
Quote from: Agent_So
actually sir kitC, im planning to ask you nga sana if i can visit your studio para makita setup mo and to gain knowlege as well..hehehe. if thats ok.. :oops:


Hehe. Normally, I would accept but I moved all gear into my bedroom and I have an angel (http://photos.friendster.com/photos/74/84/9204847/24318272650008s.jpg) guarding my bed so... no go.

I'm building a 2nd portable DAW based on a Shuttle-type case and it will probably house my DSP Factory. Maybe then my 'studio' will go to you instead.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on July 20, 2006, 07:06:23 AM
Quote from: markthevirtuoso
Quote from: Tarkuz Toccata
I think it's better to start with Live Sound first because that's where the fundamentals of audio are.

example: What's a "decibel"?  :?


True, however we know that decibels manifest in various perspectives (ie dBv, dBu, dBw, dBm, dBspl etc...).

Better yet, start with the main source of the subject - "What is sound?" :wink:

Just my opinion. :)

Picky, picky...

Or better yet,

Part 1. "The Ear & Psychoacoustics of Hearing"
Part 2. "The Nature of Sound"

 :wink:  :wink:

examples:

What are the three physical components of sound and their perceived correlate?

What are the three ways to graph sound? Which of the three components are visible in each?

What are the four areas of the acoustic envelope that define the dynamics of a sound?

What are the three major subdivisions of the auditory system? Give the mediums through which sound travels in each of these subdivisions.

If sound follows the Law of Energy Conservation, what three things can happen when sound energy strikes a surface?

etc.

 :lol:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on July 20, 2006, 07:55:44 AM
Quote from: KitC
I have been in discussion with another forumite about setting up a workshop to learn about recording. The basic premise is that we will work with what is locally available, hardware and software-wise, mimicking the plight of most recordists here. The goal is to try to educate most musicians/bands on how to properly record their music, if possible in a DIY setting. Hopefully, we will post mp3's and pics of the workshop's progress. The purpose of this post is to let us know specifically, what interests the majority out there.

Free?
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Boddhisattva on July 20, 2006, 08:06:57 AM
Sali ako.

Reading print ads in music mags, I wonder what all those hardware and software does.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on July 20, 2006, 10:43:03 AM
hey guys. for the more technical aspects of recording, maybe the thread with the title, 'IAA Lectures', might interest you.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bindoy on July 20, 2006, 12:07:13 PM
manganda po yan sirs..para mapa Newbie hanggang mapadalubhasa...anu ba po balak .. hands on talaga(as in classes) o thru boards lang?
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on July 20, 2006, 12:16:16 PM
It seems the list is ever growing as to what we want to be taught but as always, time is the limiting factor. If we were to simplify what you want and need to know and not get too technical in the process, a practical approach if you will, it will help define the course better. This is not to say this will become a "Recording for Dummies" session, but hopefully something tailored  for the majority with more than just basic knowledge handed out. The main purpose here is to spread out knowledge in hopes that anyone's recording will improve regardless of the gear. Comments from newbies to recording are especially welcome.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: markthevirtuoso on July 20, 2006, 06:33:52 PM
Quote from: Tarkuz Toccata
Quote from: markthevirtuoso
Quote from: Tarkuz Toccata
I think it's better to start with Live Sound first because that's where the fundamentals of audio are.

example: What's a "decibel"?  :?


True, however we know that decibels manifest in various perspectives (ie dBv, dBu, dBw, dBm, dBspl etc...).

Better yet, start with the main source of the subject - "What is sound?" :wink:

Just my opinion. :)

Picky, picky...

Or better yet,

Part 1. "The Ear & Psychoacoustics of Hearing"
Part 2. "The Nature of Sound"

 :wink:  :wink:

examples:

What are the three physical components of sound and their perceived correlate?

What are the three ways to graph sound? Which of the three components are visible in each?

What are the four areas of the acoustic envelope that define the dynamics of a sound?

What are the three major subdivisions of the auditory system? Give the mediums through which sound travels in each of these subdivisions.

If sound follows the Law of Energy Conservation, what three things can happen when sound energy strikes a surface?

etc.

 :lol:


Wow deeper topics, ayos yan! I'd love to learn those. :D

Kaso kulang isang linggo dyan. :lol:
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: starfugger on July 21, 2006, 08:28:32 AM
Nice one Kit :) well, ano nga ba maganda ... to dwell in theory muna or sabayin na theory and practice?
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: BALDO on July 21, 2006, 10:38:54 AM
kitC
ok yang idea na yan..siguro theory with applications na din para mabilis yung improvement naming mga bagito sa larangan ng recording..   :oops: .. isa sa mga gusto kong matutuhan e yung micing ng drums.. ie. placement at distance.. saka marami pang iba..panahon lang talaga ang kulang...  :cry: ..
ps
ang ganda nung angel..sana ako  meron din  :lol: ... kapag natutunan na natin yung mga ideas, i think pwede na nating ipost yung sound bites nung mga natutunan natin..agree????
hazel
i got the catalog on the fireface ( o catalog lang ha..) and it is really good!!ang ganda ng fireface mo.. kakainggit ka.. sana yun na lang binili ko  :roll:
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on July 21, 2006, 09:20:35 PM
Quote from: Sound Weavers
- Tracking. Signal chain, mic selection, mic placement.

Quote from: jplacson
basics... proper miking techniques given different situations...

-understanding room modes and effect on miking techniques

-miking a band all in one room

-miking just the drums, given limited mics

-miking drums individually

-miking acoustic guitars

-why use room mics... why NOT to use them... same goes for close miking, the whys and why nots.

Quote from: BALDO
isa sa mga gusto kong matutuhan e yung micing ng drums.. ie. placement at distance..

The selection and placement of microphones can have a great influence on the sound of an acoustic recording. It is common view in the recording industry that the music played by a skilled musician with a quality instrument properly mic-ed can be sent directly to the recorder with little or no alteration. This simple approach can often sound better than an instrument that has been reshaped by layers of signal processing gear.

In this practical workshop, I hope the teachers demonstrate particular mic techniques and placement -- techniques to pickup a natural tonal balance, techniques to help reject unwanted sounds, and even techniques to create special effects. To do this, some fundamentals of microphones, instruments, and acoustics must be presented.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: abyssinianson on July 22, 2006, 05:55:55 AM
Quote from: starfugger
Nice one Kit :) well, ano nga ba maganda ... to dwell in theory muna or sabayin na theory and practice?


grounding yourself in theory would be beneficial pero you also have to consider the real-world appliction of the theories because the very existence of unpredictable factors affect the ideal application of whatever theory you are studying. as such, dividing the theory into modules and immediately supplementing the lesson with demonstrated applications would be ideal, i think.

feedback?
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jplacson on July 22, 2006, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: Tarkuz Toccata

The selection and placement of microphones can have a great influence on the sound of an acoustic recording. It is common view in the recording industry that the music played by a skilled musician with a quality instrument properly mic-ed can be sent directly to the recorder with little or no alteration. This simple approach can often sound better than an instrument that has been reshaped by layers of signal processing gear.

In this practical workshop, I hope the teachers demonstrate particular mic techniques and placement -- techniques to pickup a natural tonal balance, techniques to help reject unwanted sounds, and even techniques to create special effects. To do this, some fundamentals of microphones, instruments, and acoustics must be presented.


Garbage in ---> Garbage out.  Agreed... I feel this is a BIG fundamental principle that needs to be taught and re-taught (to both newbies and pros alike) since this is the foundation of "recording".  Mic placement is a science and art where 1cm can make all the difference between "HEAVY metal" and "tin can".

There is no "set and forget" mic placement technique.  There are general guidelines (NOT rules) but they don't work for everything... or everyone.

You can't learn enough miking techniques! :)
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: balta on July 25, 2006, 04:34:50 PM
i want to learn how to get a good sound to start with and how to mix that good sound to make it a great sound and how to master it to make it  awesome sound!

sana matuloy workshop this would be such a blessing
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on July 28, 2006, 04:44:32 PM
hey friends.

the link below might interest a lot of you...

http://www.epinions.com/inst-home_recording/sec_~opinion_list/pp_~4

hopefully the workshop is gonna address a lot of these topics.
Title: recording workshop
Post by: Bigboy on July 30, 2006, 12:15:26 AM
may tentative date na ba ang recording workshop? just asking.
intersado me dito kasi puro musikero familya namin except me, cguro sa recording ng tslents nila ako pwede.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on July 30, 2006, 12:28:15 AM
Nasa drawing board pa lang and we're still trying to plan a workshop that will benefit all based on your inputs in this thread. Someone has already offered a venue but nothing's final yet.

Hang on, folks! This things take some planning, time and a lot of concerted effort.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Al_Librero on July 30, 2006, 01:22:44 AM
I'll help out if I can.

With your permission, I can attempt to transcribe everything in article format for Web publishing. I write for PinoyPC and it wouldn't be half-bad for me to cover some of the aspects in recording.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on July 30, 2006, 01:37:32 AM
Thanks, Al! Much appreciated. Every little bit helps.
Title: Re: recording workshop
Post by: bindoy on August 09, 2006, 02:39:56 PM
Quote from: Bigboy
may tentative date na ba ang recording workshop? just asking.
intersado me dito kasi puro musikero familya namin except me, cguro sa recording ng tslents nila ako pwede.


sana may poll to kung anung araw...hehehe...saya nito...gusto ko talagang matuto ng matuto!!!coming from experts!!!hands on pa!!!yahoo!!!
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Boddhisattva on August 11, 2006, 11:39:40 AM
If the sked permits, I can bring a synth and an acoustic guitar w/ pickup.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: dequi09 on August 21, 2006, 08:54:41 PM
Count me in! Marami aattend jan! Salamat Master KitC sa idea.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on August 21, 2006, 10:00:58 PM
As an update, we now have 2 possible venues for this endeavour. I won't divulge them yet because marvinq and I are still ironing out some matters with this project. Those who are interested, please PM me so I can get a headcount.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: turiguiliano on August 24, 2006, 11:37:18 PM
Quote from: starfugger
Nice one Kit :) well, ano nga ba maganda ... to dwell in theory muna or sabayin na theory and practice?


both please.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: drummer_boy17 on August 29, 2006, 09:55:57 PM
I want to learn in editing and mixing
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jplacson on September 09, 2006, 08:41:30 PM
Is this pushing through?
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on September 10, 2006, 01:05:39 PM
Quote from: jplacson
Is this pushing through?


We're still garnering more support for this project and seeking some sponsorship because this can be a somewhat large undertaking. Trying to fit a recording and mixing session within the space of 4 hours while providing a tutorial does take some detailed planning. Unfortunately, we also have our jobs to attend to so that takes a substantial chunk of our time.

There are possible venues for this event already, and several forum members have come forward with some form of assistance, one has even volunteered to document this event and publish the article online - we've even drawn up specs for low-, mid-, and high-end computers for recording although only the low-end has been finalized so far.

I've been awfully busy with work, however, and these "-ber" months are typically the start of a very busy season for me. I might have to pass the reins for this project. Any volunteers?
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: tolshelman on September 20, 2006, 03:24:34 PM
I'm sorry if I chose a wrong thread. I just don't know where to post this question.

What do we need to do/have if we'll be producing an album (i mean other than finances and the songs of course)? like paperworks (where do we apply for copyright of the songs, do we need something registered sa SEC or DTI or DOTC lol), contacts... any other things you guys can suggest?

Thanks a lot in advance  :D
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on September 20, 2006, 05:03:49 PM
toshelman,

can you create a new topic so that you will get a lot more responses? You can apply for copyright from the National Library; apply for the entire album, it's cheaper.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: toink on September 20, 2006, 05:48:13 PM
gud day!

im searching for a workshop/short course and i think this is it! sana matuloy.

gusto ko kasi matuto, since may gamit ako. the problem is hindi ko alam ung proper way or mga techniques. cge lng ng cge kumbaga.

just tell us n lng kung kelan and magkano. tnx guys!
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bindoy on September 20, 2006, 09:26:57 PM
sirkitC, game na to!!!wowhoo!!! :D
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: tolshelman on September 21, 2006, 02:53:30 PM
Quote from: KitC
toshelman,

can you create a new topic so that you will get a lot more responses?


Ok I will do that. thanks!  :D
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on September 21, 2006, 11:29:24 PM
Quote from: bindoy
sirkitC, game na to!!!wowhoo!!! :D


Yes. Mr. Pedero's workshop couldn't have come at a better time.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: kara on September 25, 2006, 10:24:39 PM
If this pushes through i'll be in touch and partcipate.. DIY din ako and just starting kelangan din ng ibang utak para matuto. Dami pa ding kulang..[/code]
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on October 18, 2006, 04:53:29 AM
whoah!!! nice thread.... tagal din ako nabakante dito sa philmusic.

tuloy ba to? o natuloy na?

i can offer a venue sa QC near abs-cbn... with the following specs on the DAW


Dell Precision Workstation 390 Dual Core
Intel™ Core®2 Extreme X6800 2.93GHz/1066MHz/4MB L2/Dual-core/VT 1
Operating System:
Genuine Windows® XP Professional, SP2 with Media
Chassis Configuration and 1394:
Mini-Tower Chassis Configuration w/ 1394 Card
Memory: 4GB, 533MHz, DDR2 SDRAM Memory, ECC (2 DIMMS)
Graphics Card: 128MB PCIe x16 ATI FireGL V3400, Dual DVI or Dual VGA or DVI + VGA
Boot Hard Drive: 80GB SATA 3.0Gb/s with NCQ and 8MB DataBurst Cache™ 2nd Hard Drive:
250GB SATA 3.0Gb/s with NCQ and 8MB DataBurst Cache™
CD-ROM, DVD, and Read-Write Devices:
16X DVD+/-RW w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD™ and Roxio Creator™
Floppy Drive and Media Card Reader Options: Internal USB Media card reader
Monitors: Dell 20 inch UltraSharp™ 2007FP Widescreen, adjustable stand, VGA/DVI
2nd Monitor: Dell 20 inch UltraSharp™ 2007FP Widescreen, adjustable stand, VGA/DVI
Speakers: Dell A525 30 Watt 2.1 three piece Stereo Speakers with Subwoofer

Alesis MultiMix 16FIREWIRE
16-Channel Mixer with Firewire         
M1 Active 520 & 620 Audio Monitors
10 SM57 Shure
5   SM58 Shure

Software: Your choice of programs you guys wanna work with...

Note: wala nga lang ako drumset ngayon kasi kakasetup lang neto
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Yadiyada on October 19, 2006, 02:57:31 PM
nakatry na ba kayong mag record ng fusion band i mean paano sila nag rerecord by track ba or rekta na? gumagamit pa ba sila ng metronome?
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on October 19, 2006, 04:13:55 PM
Quote from: Yadiyada
nakatry na ba kayong mag record ng fusion band i mean paano sila nag rerecord by track ba or rekta na? gumagamit pa ba sila ng metronome?


mga fusion bands usually eh lahat singkupado (offbeat) kaya di na nagamit ng metro. Usually 1st track eh guide guitar or keyboards (kung may keyboards yung band) lang muna ni rerecord muna and tumutug on the background parang jamming lang.

sunod na track na ang drums, bass and so on and so forth.

sa mixing na lang magkakatalo then imumute or delete na lang yung track nung guide guitar. ;)
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Yadiyada on October 19, 2006, 07:45:43 PM
ok maraming salamat po sir  :shock:  amazing!!!
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on October 20, 2006, 05:02:30 AM
Quote from: Yadiyada
ok maraming salamat po sir  :shock:  amazing!!!


np... glad to help
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bangbus on October 31, 2006, 04:00:59 PM
a brilliant thread you have here...as for me, i only started micing my kit last june and out of impulse i bought a VST (vision sound tech) 12-channel preamped mixer and 2 300watts speakers from JB (i dont know if its any good to you fellas) and loads of cheap ass sony raon bangketa mics (i didnt have the budget for decent ones and im still learnin my options). my primary objective was to amplify the volume or the thug sound of the drums to get that gig feel at home as i dont have a band anymore coz of work/grad school but i miss playin around town.

well the mixer and crapy mics did amplify the kit but im sure i could do more with the sound quality thats why im gettin new mics like shure pg52 and pg57 as an 'expensive' first step (thanks peeves24 for the enlightenment)...as for recordin, i am eager to experiment and learn how to connect the mixer to my pc and record the 'real' sound projected by the kit and not the cardboard boxes sounds when recorded by a video cam...recordin video and audio (simultaneously) using different devices (video cam and mixer+pc) then putting them together using a software is somethin i look forward to learnin...thanks leigh for givin me this idea.

i just dont know if my mixer is good enough for this job...baka pang-amplify lang ng volume, or ok na yung mixer and just get good mics? what do you think?

 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on October 31, 2006, 09:43:49 PM
a brilliant thread you have here...as for me, i only started micing my kit last june and out of impulse i bought a VST (vision sound tech) 12-channel preamped mixer and 2 300watts speakers from JB (i dont know if its any good to you fellas) and loads of cheap ass sony raon bangketa mics (i didnt have the budget for decent ones and im still learnin my options). my primary objective was to amplify the volume or the thug sound of the drums to get that gig feel at home as i dont have a band anymore coz of work/grad school but i miss playin around town.

well the mixer and crapy mics did amplify the kit but im sure i could do more with the sound quality thats why im gettin new mics like shure pg52 and pg57 as an 'expensive' first step (thanks peeves24 for the enlightenment)...as for recordin, i am eager to experiment and learn how to connect the mixer to my pc and record the 'real' sound projected by the kit and not the cardboard boxes sounds when recorded by a video cam...recordin video and audio (simultaneously) using different devices (video cam and mixer+pc) then putting them together using a software is somethin i look forward to learnin...thanks leigh for givin me this idea.

i just dont know if my mixer is good enough for this job...baka pang-amplify lang ng volume, or ok na yung mixer and just get good mics? what do you think?

 :mrgreen:

its quite confusing what u r really trying to accomplish. r u just gonna make some kind of music video that is recorded as live? so when you sync the video and the audio it'll produce the sound from all mic ins instead of the ambience sound from the drums?

if thats the case...
1. mics and mixer that'll do if you dont want a real fancy kind of sound meaning just for your own enjoyment.
queries...
1. What you really need is the basic setup of mics for a drumkit and balancing the sound of each(toms,snare,bass,cymbals).
2. What kind of input are you using to the pc? is it just the onboard audio card?
3. what software are you using?

Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on October 31, 2006, 11:36:52 PM
e_o_i-jepoy,

You may want to refer to bangbus' thread here (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,29451.0.html).

@bangbus - Try to pick up some issues of Electronic Musician, Mix, Recording, and Sound on Sound. Aside from the Tweakheadz site, these mags are a great resource about pro audio and recording. Also visit the Sound on Sound (http://www.soundonsound.com/index.php?url=/) website and use their search function. SoS usually have their written articles onsite and are an excellent resource for info, for ex., compression (http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun99/articles/mixcomp.htm).
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on November 01, 2006, 12:33:13 AM
oh ok... i didnt see that thread ;)

Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bangbus on November 01, 2006, 02:57:16 AM
kitc, jepoy thanks for your replies, kitc i shall look up those literature, thanks for your patience and help...newbie here in this area, as in pure beginner. for home use and drum amplification lang talaga. for more details pls refer to the thread i have started. i shall be addin more specifics and details on there. cheers!

 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: ojotek65 on November 04, 2006, 08:14:34 PM
Mga sir,
May nakapagsabi po sa akin na isang audio engineer na may available cd o downloadble files ng ibat-ibang tunog ng frequency (in hertz,khertz)? San po ba pwede makakuha nito? They said this helps you get familiar with diff. feedbacks at madali mo itong napapatay if you are aware with diff. sounds of frequency? Is this true?
anyone
thanks
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on November 05, 2006, 12:21:30 PM
This diagram (http://members.aol.com/pjay99site/Instrumentranges.htm) might help you with the ranges of various musical instruments in relation to a keyboard and music stave. Remember that concert pitch middle A is based on 440 Hertz and that going up an octave doubles it's frequency while going down halves it.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: mikep on November 06, 2006, 01:41:55 AM
There are indeed people who have memorized the sound of the various frequencies, and they can tell what particular frequency is giving a feedback. But this takes a long time to master.  I still rely on a 1/3 octave frequency analyzer to get to the offending frequency.  I have a small gadget that I use for "tuning" or "ringing" the stage monitors.  It is made by Goldline, but it seems it now out of production.  Google Goldline to see some handhelds you can go for.  There is a Korean brand that does speakers also that came out with a nice handheld 1/3 octave.  I have it but cannot remember the brand.  It cost me about 20K several years ago.  I'll tell you the brand when I get the item in my car.  I carry it every where with me.  It has become an indispensible tool.  Or try going to Audiophile.  They carry rack mounted units that are very nice.

There are CDs available that you can buy.  However these test CDs are not available locally.  There may be some you can download from the net and burn into a CDR.  Then yo familiarize yourself on the different feedback frequencies.  Like I said, this takes time to master.

FWIW
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: mikep on November 06, 2006, 05:15:06 PM
Phonic pala yung 1/3 octave handheld analyzer ko.  It is a nice gadget.

FWIW
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Zocalist on November 09, 2006, 10:01:07 AM
Im actually attending a 3hour workshop this sunday to be held at tracks studio (angee rozul). I wanna know if there are other recording workshops that will be available because I'd like to learn. I don't think i'd be able to stay a vocalist forever and maybe this is what i can do afterwards.
I've got a basic fostex 8-track mr-8 and i'd like to start of with the basics and later on build on that.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: mikep on November 09, 2006, 03:54:25 PM
Zocalist, the Workshop is scheduled for November 25 and 26, not this Sunday.  You won't find us in the studio during that day, ... but maybe Bamboo will be doing his recording.  They do Sunday recordings as well. 

See you November 25 and 26, that's 2006, from 1 - 6 PM at TRACKStudios, 19 Gen. Delgado St., San Antonio Village, Pasig City. 6338710 or 6333175.

FWIW
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: geetar_geek79 on November 28, 2006, 03:27:07 AM
I'd like to learn about MIDI nung recording software ko.  Paano ba gamitin at para saan ba yun?  :?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on November 28, 2006, 03:28:23 AM
I'd like to learn about MIDI nung recording software ko.  Paano ba gamitin at para saan ba yun?  :?

whats your recording software bro?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: geetar_geek79 on November 28, 2006, 03:34:43 AM
I'd like to learn about MIDI nung recording software ko.  Paano ba gamitin at para saan ba yun?  :?

whats your recording software bro?

Traktion 2, kasama nung firewire Mackie na nakuha ko...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: spazzkid on November 28, 2006, 03:45:36 AM
hey bro,
maybe this would help:
http://www.tweakheadz.com/how_to_get_started_with_midi.html
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on November 28, 2006, 03:53:20 AM
Sir Im not sure pero I think your the only one has that kind of software dito sa Philmusic :(. as ive search Traktion 2 is a Mackie Product also. Most of us here in Music Technology and Audio Pro uses eithe Sonar, Cubase, Adobe Audition, FL, PT, Nuendo ....etc. With regards on MIDI almost all DAW apps have the same uses for the MIDI. btw do u have a Keyboards/Workstation to do MIDI Stuffs?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: spazzkid on November 28, 2006, 04:08:52 AM
OT: jepoy gising ka pa?  :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on November 28, 2006, 04:12:26 AM
patulog pa lang... ka ooffline pa lang ng client ko sa canada
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: spazzkid on November 28, 2006, 04:19:24 AM
OT: pang gabi ka ba? ano work mo bro?
sorry sa OT. wala din kasi ako magawa dito sa trabaho eh. heheheh. pang gabi ako, call center.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on November 28, 2006, 04:22:35 AM
manage my own business outsourced web maintainanance. all my guys are work from home i just monitor their works thru gotomypc tsaka ganitong oras kasi din online client namin abroad. anyway... tulog na ako try to help out geetar_geek sa midi problem nya. nytnyt
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: spazzkid on November 28, 2006, 04:30:59 AM
manage my own business outsourced web maintainanance. all my guys are work from home i just monitor their works thru gotomypc tsaka ganitong oras kasi din online client namin abroad. anyway... tulog na ako try to help out geetar_geek sa midi problem nya. nytnyt

alright see ya bro.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: drummer_boy17 on December 01, 2006, 07:25:38 PM
kung wala kami sa mga recording studio.. ano pa b mga ibang paraan pra ma record nmin yun tugtugan nmin?..
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: spazzkid on December 01, 2006, 10:35:05 PM
depende sayo yan... dati naalala ko nung may banda ako we used tape recorders to record our demos. ngayon shempre high tech na. you could go 2 practical routes. 1 is to get a multitrack tape recorder/mixer combo or 2, get a pc, load a recording software and attach a mixer to the line in. you could either do a live recording or a sequenced one on both setups. hope you have fun recording!

;)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bodhisattva on December 01, 2006, 10:47:26 PM
kit:

kudos on your online tutorial niche! i'll try to absorb more info from this section when i have the luxury of time. need to know more 'bout the basics tsaka acoustics na sinabi ni fafa butch dati.

inuman tayo ulit nina nonong/nomer/fafa butch tsaka na rin si jay. nyahahahah  :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 01, 2006, 10:57:21 PM
Owen!

Medyo nalito ako kasi may user dito na Bodhisattva with a capital "B" at kakilala ko rin. Miss the jamming and the boozing, pare! Now lemme see... wine and song.... ano na lang ang kulang?  :wink:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bodhisattva on December 01, 2006, 11:05:53 PM
tayo! heheheh

i want to hear butch's sweet sarcasms again. ROFL





Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: lordhelen on January 07, 2007, 07:31:28 PM
Okay, forumites! Listen up!

If you had a chance to walk into a studio and be taught everything under the sun about recording, what would you like to know?

I have been in discussion with another forumite about setting up a workshop to learn about recording. The basic premise is that we will work with what is locally available, hardware and software-wise, mimicking the plight of most recordists here. The goal is to try to educate most musicians/bands on how to properly record their music, if possible in a DIY setting. Hopefully, we will post mp3's and pics of the workshop's progress. The purpose of this post is to let us know specifically, what interests the majority out there.

Any violent reactions?

i want to knw how to set up your own recording at home

such as the gadgets or equips needed which can be found locally

which people can set it up for you,, stuff
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on January 08, 2007, 01:05:30 AM

i want to knw how to set up your own recording at home

such as the gadgets or equips needed which can be found locally

which people can set it up for you,, stuff

you can refer to this sir, recently posted lang din to http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php?topic=33656.0

btw... what do you mean by people can set it up for you? meaning someone will setup you home recording?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: abusound on February 12, 2007, 12:30:15 PM


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DigiDesign 20th Anniversary =
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8Oeqw

Pro Tools Music Creation (Part 1) =
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1TZ2rM

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Strike (Intro) =
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Velvet (Part 1) =
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pvR5ChPCo

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v=HGoypWtpZIU

Hybrid (Part 1) =
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Hybrid (Part 2) =
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Synchronic (Part 1) =
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WiK6_1cQ

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v=K1rTUjYNopc

Pro Tools & Live (Part 2) =
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=FZ5bDY2OhiM
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marcowpg3 on February 15, 2007, 11:36:14 AM
sakin kung pwde sana malaman yung pag connect ng mga hardware like yung cables to the mixer to the mics amps to the computer and interface etc...medyo magulo kasi talaga. pati SOUNDPROOFING kung may nakakaalam, info pls!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: noelvictoria on February 19, 2007, 05:13:20 PM
I want to learn how to convert an analog recording studio to a digital recording studio... what equipment do I need to purchase and which equipment I can still use from the old studio.

Anyone here who offers technical expertise about this?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: m_u_Z_i_k on February 21, 2007, 04:00:48 PM
Ei Guys,, newbie lang.. How about the M-Audio? Nakita ko siya sa isang store and mukang impressive naman siya. any reaction can help?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 22, 2007, 12:49:34 AM
I want to learn how to convert an analog recording studio to a digital recording studio... what equipment do I need to purchase and which equipment I can still use from the old studio.

Anyone here who offers technical expertise about this?

There are 2 ways to go digital, either through modular digital multitracks (MDM's) such as ADAT and various hard disk recorders, the other is via computers. MDMs are almost no-fuss... just turn them on and start recording; in some cases, you can fly in a track into a computer for further editing but this capability is built into higher valued MDMs. Examples of MDMs are the Roland VS series, Fostex VFs and of course, the Alesis ADAT and Tascam DA series.

The computer side of things requires you to choose between pc and mac platforms as well as the recording software and hardware. I can't stress this enough... always design your pc around the software that it will run. All too often we get the pc first then purchase the software later; that is often where the problems begin. Do a lot of research into compatible systems with the software of your choice... and don't even think about building a gaming machine for serious DAW work - the 2 are often incompatible with each other.

Ei Guys,, newbie lang.. How about the M-Audio? Nakita ko siya sa isang store and mukang impressive naman siya. any reaction can help?

M-Audio is quite good. The Delta series uses the Via Envy chipset which is very good in handling audio streams. The A/D converters are AKM, I think, which are usually better than consumer level plus the drivers are very stable but YMMV depending on your system.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: noelvictoria on February 22, 2007, 09:46:31 AM
There are 2 ways to go digital, either through modular digital multitracks (MDM's) such as ADAT and various hard disk recorders, the other is via computers. MDMs are almost no-fuss... just turn them on and start recording; in some cases, you can fly in a track into a computer for further editing but this capability is built into higher valued MDMs. Examples of MDMs are the Roland VS series, Fostex VFs and of course, the Alesis ADAT and Tascam DA series.

The computer side of things requires you to choose between pc and mac platforms as well as the recording software and hardware. I can't stress this enough... always design your pc around the software that it will run. All too often we get the pc first then purchase the software later; that is often where the problems begin. Do a lot of research into compatible systems with the software of your choice... and don't even think about building a gaming machine for serious DAW work - the 2 are often incompatible with each other.

Thanks! I already bought the Roland VS-1824CD, I don't know if it's any good. I'm also looking for someone to help me put it together... any ideas? :) I'm not sure what software I would be needing but I really like ProTools so I might go with the Mac. Would you know anyone who provides services to help me put up the studio together again using the Roland VS-1824CD + a new Mac?

Thanks again!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 22, 2007, 02:35:14 PM
What's your location so that anyone within the vicinity can assist you?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: noelvictoria on February 22, 2007, 02:58:59 PM
What's your location so that anyone within the vicinity can assist you?

New Manila, Quezon City... near St. Luke's Hospital :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: killswitch on February 23, 2007, 12:30:58 PM
i may be able to help you set up a pro tools m powered system.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jeromish on April 04, 2007, 11:40:50 PM
hey newbie here been into home recording for a couple of years now. its great to have this kind of forums where we can talk about our art. kudos onthe mods of this thread!

I want to learn how to convert an analog recording studio to a digital recording studio... what equipment do I need to purchase and which equipment I can still use from the old studio.

Anyone here who offers technical expertise about this?

you from new manila maybe you could drop by my home studio so you could see my gears and maybe i could help you in a way with your questions. im from new manila too. i could help you with setting up your studio and i also use pro tools 7.3 good buy on the roland VS its always nice to start it with the right stuff.

regarding pro tools 7.3 its a very powerful software but it needs a good PC. I use core duo 2 PC i am very satisfied with the performance of my PC when running pro tools and havent encountered problems with it.what sux with pro tools are the plugins. di kagaya ng mga ibang software kung san san mo makukuha sa mga pirated CDs yung mga plugins nila unlike pro tools you may find a hard time looking for plugins na compatible with it.baka may mga users jan na may mga plug ins pa copy hehehe

Ei Guys,, newbie lang.. How about the M-Audio? Nakita ko siya sa isang store and mukang impressive naman siya. any reaction can help?

in my opinion m audio is quite ok. kaso walang pre amps. what i recommend to you is the delta 1010 not the "LT". yun yung rack. i read in a forrum in the states malaki difference ng sound nila. and shampre nakaka takot yung wires nyan kasi baka madaling ma loose or ma hila at least pag rack matibay talaga yun.ok ang m audio for me yung delta 1010 LT nila which is available ngayun mejo mag hahanap ka nga lang ng mga RCA to 1/4" inch na adapters pero sa RCA kasi mejo  may loss yung quality pero ok na din for starters good luck!

ok yung gagawin nyong tutorials kasi maski ako dami ko pang kailangan matutunan hehehe pano nyo ba uumpisahan yung topic ng tutorials nyo?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 05, 2007, 01:19:35 AM
hello jeromish! Welcome to the forums!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jeromish on April 05, 2007, 12:55:15 PM
thanks! pano uumpisahan yung thread ng tutorials nyo? hehehe nung topic yung una sir? hehe attend na ako ng classess nyo hehehe  :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 05, 2007, 01:38:17 PM
Aside from MikeP's workshops, there are plans to conduct a beginners workshop on pc recording, mostly dealing with the hardware side of things since this is really where most stumble (while a true artist shouldn't blame his tools, he should have the right tools to begin with). We could start off with a tutorial thread and I'll make it a sticky.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xavier on April 15, 2007, 03:27:00 PM
wala po bang sticky na pro audio faqs (yes, i know sinabi ko na to dun sa isang thread, pero mas tama yata kung dito eh  :-D )?

anyway. is a laptop good enough for recording? upgradable naman yung soundcard nya or do i have to devote a desktop computer for recording?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 15, 2007, 10:38:22 PM
Nice idea on the audio faq sticky, but it seems this thread is somehow evolving into one. But rather than re-invent the wheel, there are sites that give a better explanation on audio technology like tweakheadz.com or even the Bruce A. Miller online mixing courses (the links are in the Educational Material sticky so the faq is kinda covered, albeit via proxy).

Is a laptop good for recording? If it's fast enough and has sufficient ram, yes. But remember, you can't upgrade the cpu and video, and you will need external hard drives for unloading data to. Soundcards can come in pcmcia, usb2 or firewire flavor, but you will have to research your laptop's specs since some chipsets and firewire/usb controller chips don't play well with audio.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xavier on April 16, 2007, 09:04:50 AM
okay. thanks sir!

dagdag question sir:

kung isang instrument lang naman ang irerecord ko(ex.: guitar or bass), kailangan ko pa po ba ng amp? o may software na makaka-'tulong' sa akin?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 16, 2007, 09:07:32 PM
There are simulators that can sound like guitar amps and cabinets. you can record a clean tone can use something like Guitar Rig or Amplitube for amp simulations.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xavier on April 16, 2007, 10:05:25 PM
so the set up would be

instrument -> cord -> PC  ?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 16, 2007, 10:54:26 PM
so the set up would be

instrument -> cord -> PC  ?

It should be instrument > cord > DI > pc.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xavier on April 17, 2007, 08:08:51 AM
ano po yung DI?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: noelvictoria on April 20, 2007, 01:44:38 PM
hey newbie here been into home recording for a couple of years now. its great to have this kind of forums where we can talk about our art. kudos onthe mods of this thread!

I want to learn how to convert an analog recording studio to a digital recording studio... what equipment do I need to purchase and which equipment I can still use from the old studio.

Anyone here who offers technical expertise about this?

you from new manila maybe you could drop by my home studio so you could see my gears and maybe i could help you in a way with your questions. im from new manila too. i could help you with setting up your studio and i also use pro tools 7.3 good buy on the roland VS its always nice to start it with the right stuff.

regarding pro tools 7.3 its a very powerful software but it needs a good PC. I use core duo 2 PC i am very satisfied with the performance of my PC when running pro tools and havent encountered problems with it.what sux with pro tools are the plugins. di kagaya ng mga ibang software kung san san mo makukuha sa mga pirated CDs yung mga plugins nila unlike pro tools you may find a hard time looking for plugins na compatible with it.baka may mga users jan na may mga plug ins pa copy hehehe

Ei Guys,, newbie lang.. How about the M-Audio? Nakita ko siya sa isang store and mukang impressive naman siya. any reaction can help?

in my opinion m audio is quite ok. kaso walang pre amps. what i recommend to you is the delta 1010 not the "LT". yun yung rack. i read in a forrum in the states malaki difference ng sound nila. and shampre nakaka takot yung wires nyan kasi baka madaling ma loose or ma hila at least pag rack matibay talaga yun.ok ang m audio for me yung delta 1010 LT nila which is available ngayun mejo mag hahanap ka nga lang ng mga RCA to 1/4" inch na adapters pero sa RCA kasi mejo  may loss yung quality pero ok na din for starters good luck!

ok yung gagawin nyong tutorials kasi maski ako dami ko pang kailangan matutunan hehehe pano nyo ba uumpisahan yung topic ng tutorials nyo?


Sir, san kayo sa New Manila? I' would like to see you setup. :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 20, 2007, 03:28:12 PM
ano po yung DI?

DI stands for "Direct Injection" or "Direct Input" box. From wiki: "A DI unit or DI box is an electronic device that connects a high impedance line level signal that uses an unbalanced cable with a 1/4" phone plug to a low impedance mic level input that uses a balanced cable and XLR connector. For example: connecting an electric guitar through a DI box and then to a mixing console's mic input. It performs level matching, balancing, and either active buffering or passive impedance bridging to minimise noise, distortion, and ground loops. (They do not perform impedance matching.)"

I've been using an ART Tube Studio V3 as a sort of guitar DI; it works very well in this regard. The cheaper ART Tube MP will also do as will the equivalent Behringer unit.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: nicolle on April 21, 2007, 02:32:53 AM
Aside from MikeP's workshops, there are plans to conduct a beginners workshop on pc recording, mostly dealing with the hardware side of things since this is really where most stumble (while a true artist shouldn't blame his tools, he should have the right tools to begin with). We could start off with a tutorial thread and I'll make it a sticky.

Wow! 

This would really be of great help to us who are interested of at least for a start being able to pc record our own songs...would be on the look out for this thread, Sir!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 21, 2007, 01:33:03 PM
Wow! 

This would really be of great help to us who are interested of at least for a start being able to pc record our own songs...would be on the look out for this thread, Sir!


I set up the thread. Fire away with your questions.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Seej on May 03, 2007, 03:14:12 AM
Sir Kit, matanong nga lang. Medyo noob question to.

May plano kami magrecord sa Pipeline sa may Gil Puyat Ave.

Pano po yung recording nun? Ano po yung kasama dun? First time lang kasi namin eh. Pasensya na.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on May 03, 2007, 10:14:44 AM
Seej,

Haven't been to Pipeline yet but I can most likely assume computer based recording yan. I don't know what you mean about anong kasama dun, but you should be covered.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on May 03, 2007, 10:20:46 AM
Last Clinic of Markflo at pipeline... i didnt see any recording equipment there anymore. A few days ago ive chatted with a friend and i forgot na kung sino sa kanila and said to me na "magsasara na yata pipeline ah... alam ko ala na gamit dun" sabi ko naman sa kanya kaya pala wala ako nakitang gamit na dun.


anyways... hope sana someone can clarrify that
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: stanley on May 22, 2007, 05:09:58 AM
mga sir, ano po ba yung de-essing , paano ginagawa ito, bakit ginagawa ito at ano ang naitutulong nito sa mixing. salamat po and Gbu.  8-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: mikep on May 22, 2007, 03:32:05 PM
You only use a de-esser if the talent or artist has a problem with producing so many "esses" that becomes annoying.  It is the over-emphasis of the "esses."  The de-esser kinda tames the "sss" in the voice.

There are rack mounted de-essers as well as sometimes incorporated in an outboard gear with other functions like eq, compressor/limiter, etc.  It is also available as plug in in some DAW softwares.

FWIW
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: stanley on May 22, 2007, 04:21:13 PM
ah ganun po ba..  thanks sir mike.   :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jv21 on May 23, 2007, 12:38:04 AM
sir kitc, question.

bt po parang sobrang linis tunog ng distortion ng gtara when i am recording direct sa computer? hndi live ung tunog or hndi sya maingay khet naka full na gain nya? (im using boss multi efx). pero pag sa ibang effects like zoom eh maaus naman ung tunog pag gnamitan ng distortion/metal/drive??

tnx.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on May 23, 2007, 02:07:45 AM
Oooohhh... tough one. I think the GC guys are in a better position to answer this. It's usually down to the amp simulation algorithms if they are capable of recreating the 'dirt' when miking an amp. Obviously earlier algorithms didn't do this very well but the newer ones are getting frighteningly close, even taking mic emulations into account.

The thing about miked amps is the sound of the amplifier/speaker combination, the interaction of the speaker cone with air, mic positioning, and the quality and type of the mic itself. You can only do so much with numbers at this point in time.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jv21 on May 23, 2007, 02:12:41 AM
tnx.. gagamet na lang cguro me ng zoom. hehe. anyway, pano gawin mas live ung tunog ng MIDI drums? (or para d mag tunog videoke.. hehe...) (using SONAR 6.)

tnx sir. long live!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on May 23, 2007, 02:55:12 AM
Use Session Drummer2 (comes with Sonar 6).
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: stanley on May 24, 2007, 05:15:37 AM
mga sir, ano po ba ang difference ng active DI box sa passive DI, which one have better clarity sound na napoproduce. pareho ba silang pwedeng dumaan sa mixer, paki lagay din po ang routing starting from guitar up to the pc w/o external interface. Di me sure if ganito ba ( gtr > zoom 1010 > DI  ( act./pass. ) > mixer > soundcard> pc ).
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: kintosh on July 07, 2007, 02:56:18 PM
If i will start from a scratch... how will it cost me to set-up a basic home recording studio?
50-75k? 75-100k?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: terencek on July 12, 2007, 11:31:49 AM
a budget of 50-75k pwede na. sa home recording.

PC na around 32k
2x2 audio, 1x1 midi, 1x1 spdif interface
isang 25 na keyboard controller
1 pair 4" monitor
Isang behringer na tube preamp(mic200)
isang mic cables and connectors.

bilhin mo ng hiwalay yung mga softwares.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: diosa! on July 22, 2007, 02:15:59 PM
actually, ive learned a lot about recording and that is with M-audio! try it. its basically like having a mini recording studio!
available at jb music sm-supercenter,valenzuela city!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on July 22, 2007, 03:19:54 PM
actually, ive learned a lot about recording and that is with M-audio! try it. its basically like having a mini recording studio!
available at jb music sm-supercenter,valenzuela city!

 :?  Uhhh... thanks for the commercial break.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on July 31, 2007, 10:44:50 PM
i would like to learn the basics for every recording program available. Sound input, sound output, plug ins, brush tools, sound mixing.. all the basics. :roll:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on July 31, 2007, 10:50:18 PM
i would like to learn the basics for every recording program available. Sound input, sound output, plug ins, brush tools, sound mixing.. all the basics. :roll:

you should have attended the last PC Based Audio Engineering Workshop

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,48389.0.html

and

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,51691.0.html
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on July 31, 2007, 11:29:46 PM
i would like to learn the basics for every recording program available. Sound input, sound output, plug ins, brush tools, sound mixing.. all the basics. :roll:

Start with one program and try to learn it inside out. You will find that the others are similar making it easy to go from one program to another.

Before everything, however, decide on how you want to go about recording. There are several disciplines that you could take up like studio recording, live recording, audio post production, sound design, and even foley recording. While there are similarities, each requires a specific skill set, yet all require one singular trait... a good set of ears. Not all require that you be a musician or that you should have musical skills (though it is a big help sometimes), but all require that you should have a discerning PAIR of ears.

Second, be prepared to bury your nose in some documentation. Read, read, read... If your interest is in mixing, pick up a copy of Mix magazine or go to some online schools like Bruce A. Miller - the links are in the stickies in this board. Once you've read that mixing article, go apply it so that you train your ears. Yes, we all know what we want to hear, but it's so much easier if you can identify what you need to do to achieve it. Like if you want to do that megaphone sound or old record sound on a track, will you know what plugin to insert or what frequencies to tweak? The more you know, the better.

Last, be open to experimentation. Most of the music technology today got their start from telecommunications. Some techniques were even the result of a lucky accident while working on a track.

I know the above sounds like going to school or something, but you shouldn't stop learning something new if you're really serious. Even I am learning something new everyday...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on August 01, 2007, 01:19:07 AM
i would like to learn the basics for every recording program available. Sound input, sound output, plug ins, brush tools, sound mixing.. all the basics. :roll:

Start with one program and try to learn it inside out. You will find that the others are similar making it easy to go from one program to another.

Before everything, however, decide on how you want to go about recording. There are several disciplines that you could take up like studio recording, live recording, audio post production, sound design, and even foley recording. While there are similarities, each requires a specific skill set, yet all require one singular trait... a good set of ears. Not all require that you be a musician or that you should have musical skills (though it is a big help sometimes), but all require that you should have a discerning PAIR of ears.

Second, be prepared to bury your nose in some documentation. Read, read, read... If your interest is in mixing, pick up a copy of Mix magazine or go to some online schools like Bruce A. Miller - the links are in the stickies in this board. Once you've read that mixing article, go apply it so that you train your ears. Yes, we all know what we want to hear, but it's so much easier if you can identify what you need to do to achieve it. Like if you want to do that megaphone sound or old record sound on a track, will you know what plugin to insert or what frequencies to tweak? The more you know, the better.

Last, be open to experimentation. Most of the music technology today got their start from telecommunications. Some techniques were even the result of a lucky accident while working on a track.

I know the above sounds like going to school or something, but you shouldn't stop learning something new if you're really serious. Even I am learning something new everyday...


thanks KitC, ive great interest in studio recording as well as mixing. I will be visiting the site you gave me, thanks a lot!

im just gonna hover every once in a while over this section and see if youd come up with recording lessons part three.  :-D


at edgeofillusion-jepoy

i saw that bro, unfortunately, work did not permit me to attend those recording workshops.  :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on August 01, 2007, 01:23:07 AM

at edgeofillusion-jepoy

i saw that bro, unfortunately, work did not permit me to attend those recording workshops.  :-)

 our studio doors are always open for anyone who really wants to learn :D diba bamf and kitc?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on August 01, 2007, 05:36:12 AM

at edgeofillusion-jepoy

i saw that bro, unfortunately, work did not permit me to attend those recording workshops.  :-)

 our studio doors are always open for anyone who really wants to learn :D diba bamf and kitc?

wow!! so manggugulo ako noh?! hehe thanks for the offer. i hope to drop by some time and hang out with you guy, sigurado ang daaaammmi kong matututunan.  :lol:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on August 01, 2007, 10:40:41 AM
wow!! so manggugulo ako noh?! hehe thanks for the offer. i hope to drop by some time and hang out with you guy, sigurado ang daaaammmi kong matututunan.  :lol:

defo, yes! you should see our apprentice now.... not only is our padawan, Sammy, turning out to be one heck of a knob twiddler  :-D  , but he sure can pound the drums into submission, too!  (and that's with using toothpicks!)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on August 01, 2007, 11:47:31 AM
yeah! go sammy!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: stanley on August 02, 2007, 10:01:05 AM
mga sir, ano ba yung foley recording,    thanks.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on August 02, 2007, 12:55:41 PM
mga sir, ano ba yung foley recording,    thanks.

Usually sound effects for movies and video. Think the sound of walking through grass, sand or even a rocky canyon. Ever watched those "Making of Star Wars" docu's? Like who would have thunk that those laser blasts were part of a radio tower guy wire? Or that Chewbacca's growl was part bear and lion roar?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: stanley on August 02, 2007, 01:28:40 PM
ok sir kit thank you  :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: abyssinianson on August 26, 2007, 11:59:08 AM
defo, yes! you should see our apprentice now.... not only is our padawan, Sammy, turning out to be one heck of a knob twiddler  :-D  , but he sure can pound the drums into submission, too!  (and that's with using toothpicks!)

being a knob twiddler is a good thing. especially when you are working with amps. here is an old session picture:
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i292/miclumayag/101.jpg)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on August 26, 2007, 12:07:19 PM
wow! i wonder what the sound would be like if all the amps were played together. probably, trying to duplicate that experience on a recording would be a task that'd be close to impossible.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: abyssinianson on August 26, 2007, 01:01:27 PM
wow! i wonder what the sound would be like if all the amps were played together. probably, trying to duplicate that experience on a recording would be a task that'd be close to impossible.

loud, i would imagine. i remember that the guitarist and I spent an afternoon working with the guitar tones before settling on a set of amp/guitar combinations for clean, slightly dirty and crunch sounds for recording. we found that although having a 4x12 was awesome ...using 2x12 cabs in the live room proved to produce a more focused sound with the array of heads that we had on hand.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Fretduster on August 27, 2007, 10:14:05 AM
mga sirs bago lang po me dito..just wondrin if this project will get materialized..how much would it cost us to avail training on ur workshops po?tulyo pa po ba to?

 thx mga sirs! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on August 27, 2007, 10:40:29 AM
actually, this sort of materialized already, thanks to kitc and jepoy, and the rest of PIMP.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Fretduster on August 27, 2007, 10:47:34 AM
 oh ganun po ba..pwede pa pm naman po ng mag registration fee at mga needed extra expenditures while nag te take ng workshop..

  thx sirs
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on August 28, 2007, 01:12:40 AM
oh ganun po ba..pwede pa pm naman po ng mag registration fee at mga needed extra expenditures while nag te take ng workshop..

  thx sirs

most probably we'll have a part 3 by october in time for sem break coz most of the guys who were inquiring are still students.


In time rin pag dating ng isang forumer from NY na manlilibre sa ating lahat yehey! hehehe
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: moHaWk on August 28, 2007, 02:45:56 AM
defo, yes! you should see our apprentice now.... not only is our padawan, Sammy, turning out to be one heck of a knob twiddler  :-D  , but he sure can pound the drums into submission, too!  (and that's with using toothpicks!)



waaaaaa!!!!! salamat sir kit!!!! :D

hehehe
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on September 18, 2007, 03:53:21 AM
most probably we'll have a part 3 by october in time for sem break coz most of the guys who were inquiring are still students.


In time rin pag dating ng isang forumer from NY na manlilibre sa ating lahat yehey! hehehe

wahaha!!! by october!!! is something cooking?!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: LouieAzcona on September 23, 2007, 12:55:25 PM
EQing, specially vocals
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on September 23, 2007, 04:55:42 PM
EQing, specially vocals

The key to recording vocals is to capture it with the intention that you probably don't want to eq it later on. That's why it's very important to match your mic and preamp combination with the person being recorded; not all mics are suitable with all people.

Second, the vocalist must know how to "work" the mic. If one spends a lot of time managing levels with vocal tracks, then it's likely that the vocalist is either not familiar with the mic or the gain staging is not properly set up.

Third, the room plays a very important part with vocals. Improper isolation is often the weakness of most amateur recordings, next is dealing with room reflections. While vocals are often recorded dry, not taking the room into consideration can introduce reflections and resonances that can cause problems when trying to fit the vocal track into the mix.

In short, preparation is key when capturing a good vocal take. With the right combinations of the above, you may not even need to eq vocals.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on September 24, 2007, 06:20:52 AM
do you mean to say that pods aren't for serious recording? haha.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on September 24, 2007, 12:18:54 PM
do you mean to say that pods aren't for serious recording? haha.

It got me curious enough to join the HC forums. Besides... that's Craig Anderton's home roost... this guy's reviews on Sonar is always phenomenal.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on September 24, 2007, 02:04:01 PM
yeah, i would have to agree. well, you're his pinoy counterpart.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: kremetory on September 29, 2007, 04:07:46 PM
hey sir kit question lang do you know where i could buy useful books for recording sabi nila meron daw sa national and in other bookstores kaso di ko alam ung title and author hope you could help me out here.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: mikep on September 30, 2007, 11:54:15 AM
Go to Fully Booked @ Serendra.  There are a couple of books there about recording (I already picked up "Sound System Design, 3rd Ed." by Davis and Patronis, "Sound Systems:Design and Optimization" by McCarthy and "Architectural Acoustics" by Marshall Long.  Cost me a fortune).  Another place to go is at Megamall, 5th Floor, Alexan Marketing.  They normally have nice books on recording technology.  If I am not mistaken, they have the latest copy of Bruce Bartlett's "Practical Recording Techniques."  Good luck in your search.

FWIW
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: markyulo on October 01, 2007, 03:02:14 AM
Sa akin po agree ako na magstart muna sa technical fundamentals of audio kagaya ng charateristics ng mics,ploar paterns,mic placemnts etc...






yulo audio solutions-09152761902
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jun_gats on October 08, 2007, 06:58:53 PM
being a knob twiddler is a good thing. especially when you are working with amps. here is an old session picture:
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i292/miclumayag/101.jpg)

wow! that's my haven :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: inosente on October 13, 2007, 12:37:44 AM
mgandang araw po mga sir,gusto ko pong bumuo ng recording studio kahit simple lang ano po bang software ang madaling gamitin para dun?nahihirapan po kasi akong gamitin yung adobe audition 2.0.meron po bang software na medyo madali lang gamitin?maraming salamat po sa inyo....
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on October 13, 2007, 12:51:20 AM
mgandang araw po mga sir,gusto ko pong bumuo ng recording studio kahit simple lang ano po bang software ang madaling gamitin para dun?nahihirapan po kasi akong gamitin yung adobe audition 2.0.meron po bang software na medyo madali lang gamitin?maraming salamat po sa inyo....

well... i myself started with adobe audition since twas still called cool edit.

almost all multitrack recording software is the same but personally i love cubase. there are some free multitrack recording softwares... try to browse here (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,13876.0.html)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: inosente on October 13, 2007, 09:15:34 PM
well... i myself started with adobe audition since twas still called cool edit.

almost all multitrack recording software is the same but personally i love cubase. there are some free multitrack recording softwares... try to browse here (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,13876.0.html)
.sir maraming salamat po sa inyo....
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: tam_guitar on October 26, 2007, 07:15:26 PM
sir KitC,

is there any software or VST plugin that would make a direct acoustic guitar record sound awesome!?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on October 27, 2007, 12:02:19 AM
is there any software or VST plugin that would make a direct acoustic guitar record sound awesome!?

Unfortunately, plugins can either enhance or dirty up a recording, so the recording has to be awesome to begin with. That said, you can only go so far with a DI recording of an acoustic. You really have to go the extra mile by miking it with a really good mic and preamp, then the acoustic has to be a very good one as well. The problem with DI recordings of acoustics are the piezo pickups themselves, unless you are using Furman or similar pickups.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on October 28, 2007, 03:40:49 PM
@kitc - i think you meant fishman...

i think fishman's aura system makes the sound of a guitar plugged via a pickup (preferably fishman's as well) sound pretty close to a miked up guitar... haven't tried one yet, but at least that's the claim. another thing, it's not a plug-in.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on October 28, 2007, 07:26:12 PM
Eeeeeyup! Dem ol' grey matter's beginning to go... :oops:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: LouieAzcona on November 16, 2007, 03:18:17 PM
gud day.

i dont have a compressor yet. so, i cant set my inputs to a certain level resulting to sudden boosts in a track's gain. the real problem - it really irritates me.

i use sonar 6 producer's edition. in its audio effects option, it has a graphic dynamics. obviously, it has a graph. but with numbers that i dont know where to use for.

i tried to experiment with it, i noticed some changes but not that close to what i expect to hear.

am i using the right tool?

tnx!



Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on November 17, 2007, 01:37:17 AM
i dont have a compressor yet. so, i cant set my inputs to a certain level resulting to sudden boosts in a track's gain. the real problem - it really irritates me.

One of the follies in modern day recording is resorting to gear or plugins to correct errors in the recording process. To get a consistent level, you must first set up your mike and preamp gain properly so that you are getting sufficient volume with minimum peaks and a high enough signal-to-noise ratio. It also pays to record at 24-bit so that you gain more processing headroom - note that this is processing headroom, not signal headroom. 24 bits do allow you to track without needing a compressor, but you must still pay attention to levels to prevent overloading the audio interface's inputs.

If you are experiencing problems recording vocals, then either the gain on your preamps is too low or your singer has insufficient microphone technique. It's entirely possible that his monitoring setup (headphones?) is too loud giving him the illusion of singing too loudly causing him to overcompensate with his singing. Don't raise the faders to increase the volume as this will only increase noise. Always try to get sufficient levels into your mics and preamps before it hits your A/D converters.

Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: LouieAzcona on November 19, 2007, 10:03:49 PM
mixers

how can i seperate all the parts of the drumset? one track for each part.

of course i need mics, but what kind of mixer should i buy? will a usb mixer solve my problem?

for now, i can divide my drumset into 3 tracks,
the snare through my 2nd soundcard
the kick, through a samson CO1u, condenser mic
the rest(cymbals and toms), through a cheap sms mixer and my built in soundcard

tnx alot


Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on November 20, 2007, 11:55:23 AM
mixers

how can i seperate all the parts of the drumset? one track for each part.

of course i need mics, but what kind of mixer should i buy? will a usb mixer solve my problem?

You will need a multi-input soundcard. Most usb mixers are usually USB1.1 meaning they can only handle 2-channel (or stereo) input and output. To be able to track multiple inputs greater than 2, you need a soundcard capable of that many inputs as well. For example, at PIMP studios, we use a Delta 1010LT which is capable of 10 simultaneous I/O - we also use the spdif inputs.

For a mixer, assuming you are getting a 8-input soundcard, you either need something with direct outs per channel, or an 8-buss mixer with direct bus outs. Since soundcards like the Delta 1010 do not have preamps, you can dispense with the mixer and add 6 additional preamps - the first 2 Delta channels have preamps already but no phantom power - or you can get an 8-channel mic preamp with individual outs. Some external firewire soundcards already have 8 preamps builtin and you can go direct without need a mixer. Having a mixer does provide you with some routing flexibility, though.

Multiple input recording does require that you up the ante on your gear. You cannot go cheap and just buy the most inexpensive soundcard or other gear because then, you will most likely compromise your sound. There are a lot of good sounding, inexpensive gear; just take the time to research and review those gear before spending your hard earned cash.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: LouieAzcona on November 21, 2007, 04:16:20 AM
sakto ung nga po balak ko. multi input na soundcard. kahit wala munang mixer. chka di pa naman po kami ganon kaseryoso, gusto ko lang maging educated unti unti para maghanda sa mga mas seryosong bagay. haha

where can i find that kind of soundcard? ung multi input.

salamat po sir KitC. this is really informative.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on November 21, 2007, 12:08:13 PM
The M-Audio Delta 1010 is carried by all JB (and Salonga) music stores. The 1010LT is priced somewhere around P16K. If you look in the Pro Audio Classifieds, there are several guys selling their 1010's, one even has the 1010 rackmount I think.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: LouieAzcona on November 22, 2007, 01:02:36 AM
cguro ill just find the ones that are found in the classifieds mas mura un di hamak naman. haha

another question sir.

ano po tawag dun sa box na saksakan ng mga cables para maconnect sa kabilang room?
san po yun nabibili o pwedeng DIY nalang?

hindi po ba makakalabas yung sound doon?

Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: ghostphase310 on November 22, 2007, 03:54:58 AM
I went to recording school  :mrgreen:

Learned, the whole aspect of recording/adr/foley/mixing/mic playment/some mixing, wish i learned more/editing/etc


Steve!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: LouieAzcona on November 22, 2007, 09:48:33 AM
tuwang tuwa ako nung nakita ko ung 1010LT sa classifieds.
sold na pala!!!!!!! :cry:

sayang!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on November 22, 2007, 03:15:49 PM
ano po tawag dun sa box na saksakan ng mga cables para maconnect sa kabilang room?
san po yun nabibili o pwedeng DIY nalang?

Snake cable yun; usually ginagamit na extension para sa inputs ng mixer o preamps. Pwedeng DIY pero usually balanced ang connections nya.

hindi po ba makakalabas yung sound doon?

Huh? Waddaya mean by that? The snake is an electrical connection. Kung makakalabas, you mean na lulusot sa butas ng pader, definitely so kaya kailangan langyan ng soundproofing ung conduit na dadaanan ng snake cable.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: LouieAzcona on November 22, 2007, 05:37:34 PM
kasi meron pong mga box na may mga butas, dun po kinakabit nung drummer ung earphones niya kapag nagte-take na xa. meron din pong butas yun for the mics.

sa pimp may ganon din po, sa likod ng drumset. ilalim ng salamin. dun pumupunta yung mga cables na nakaconnect sa mics ng drumset.

pasensya na po di ko maexplain ng maayos. di ko tlga alam tawag dun eh. hehe
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: mikep on November 23, 2007, 12:56:37 PM
You're talking about a mic panel.  Normally all mics going to the control room coming from the studio are connected in this panel, made up of XLRs, Pls and other connectors.  This panel is connected to the mixing board which controls all the elements connected to it.  In the panel, you can have line ins (or outs), monitor sources for headphones or speakers (signal coming from the control room), aside from the mic inputs.  Care must be done in constructing this panel, as if done incorrectly, it will damage the integrity of your studio and control room sound proofing.  The wire conduits must also be acoustically treated to prevent sounds bleeds and transfers.

FWIW
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on November 23, 2007, 01:06:07 PM


sa pimp may ganon din po, sa likod ng drumset. ilalim ng salamin. dun pumupunta yung mga cables na nakaconnect sa mics ng drumset.



louie of publico ba to?

Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: LouieAzcona on November 23, 2007, 04:14:11 PM
You're talking about a mic panel.  Normally all mics going to the control room coming from the studio are connected in this panel, made up of XLRs, Pls and other connectors.  This panel is connected to the mixing board which controls all the elements connected to it.  In the panel, you can have line ins (or outs), monitor sources for headphones or speakers (signal coming from the control room), aside from the mic inputs.  Care must be done in constructing this panel, as if done incorrectly, it will damage the integrity of your studio and control room sound proofing.  The wire conduits must also be acoustically treated to prevent sounds bleeds and transfers.

FWIW

yun po ibig sabihin ko sir!!!

so having a mic panel is really DIY?

tnx po sa reply
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: killswitch on December 04, 2007, 04:13:18 PM
so having a mic panel is really DIY?

yup they are custom made for your specific needs so if you don't have anyone else to do it for you DIY talaga.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 04, 2007, 05:03:14 PM
yup they are custom made for your specific needs so if you don't have anyone else to do it for you DIY talaga.

I guess the correct reply is: it depends. Usually it's less expensive to DIY a snake or have it custom made, but there are some that can be bought with a combination of XLR and 1/4" TRS terminations - a friend's studios, for ex.,  had a 16 channel balanced snake with 4 XLR and 12 TRS sockets. Some examples here (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/navigation?q=snake).
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: killswitch on December 04, 2007, 05:25:24 PM
honga,  i remember there were these whirlwind stageboxes complete with snake cable and connectors sa audiophile dati. forerunner, i think, imports them nowadays.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: LouieAzcona on December 04, 2007, 06:07:12 PM
I guess the correct reply is: it depends. Usually it's less expensive to DIY a snake or have it custom made, but there are some that can be bought with a combination of XLR and 1/4" TRS terminations - a friend's studios, for ex.,  had a 16 channel balanced snake with 4 XLR and 12 TRS sockets. Some examples here (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/navigation?q=snake).

medyo malaking gastusin po ung sa musicians friend.

anyway, madami pa naman oras para magresearch, sa march pa naman sisimulan construction ng studio eh. gusto ko lang unti-untiin ung mga gamit ngayon para mapag.aralan ko na.

by the way, ako pala buyer nung m audio delta 1010lt. sabi mo eh!! hehehe.

salamat!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on December 04, 2007, 07:14:13 PM
Plenty of complete snake cable sets in AUDIOPHILE... pre-assembled or separate components (stageboxes, snake cables, Neutrik chassis connectors, Neutrik cable connectors, box end strain relief, fan end strain relief, helix multipin connectors, etc.) or custom-made by the technical sales staff. Peavey snake cable sets are very affordable. Local stageboxes and made-in-China snake cables are available also.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 04, 2007, 08:19:37 PM
medyo malaking gastusin po ung sa musicians friend.

You haven't tried buying there, have you? I wouldn't say na medyo mahal... I actually got some good deals there, especially if you want them to match prices with an item you saw elsewhere. I got my Sennheiser HD280 Pro for about $20 less when I saw it advertised in a pc mag of all things. Of course, shipping here is another matter but this has been discussed several times.

Tarkuz' suggestions are good also. Shop around for the best deals and best parts; don't scrimp on connectors because these are one of the most important, yet unrecognized, pieces of gear in a studio. Like you don't want the tip of a cheap PL jack getting disconnected while inside your mixer, now would you?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: LouieAzcona on December 05, 2007, 02:27:06 PM
eh kasi po ung pinakita niyo sakin na link. kita ko mga price.

mga 100 + dollars.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 05, 2007, 05:33:52 PM
eh kasi po ung pinakita niyo sakin na link. kita ko mga price.

mga 100 + dollars.

 :?

Don't let the dollar sign scare you. Audiophile, for example, has a Pro Co brand 100-ft 24-channel snake FB/X 2404-100 that lists for Php 44,170 on their site (http://www.audiophilecomponents.com/products.php). The same item lists for $839.99 in MF, which is similar to AP's pricing... look here (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/navigation/pro-co?N=100001+201198&Ntk=All&Ntt=snake&Nty=1) for details, then do the math.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: LouieAzcona on December 05, 2007, 06:51:55 PM
ayun nakita ko na ung sa audiophile. Pro Co.

ganon pala mga presyo ng mga snake cable set!

hmmmm. sbagay. natutuo na ako. mabilis talaga masira ang isang cheap na gadget.

meron kasi kami rehearsal studio, dun kami kumukuha pambili ng mga gamit pang recording. kaya cguro nga, march ko pa matatapos lahat. at least nakuha ko na M audio. sobrang laking bagay na to.

gastos talaga! gastos sa pera gastos sa oras. ayos lang masaya naman eh. hehehe

tnx sir kitC!

Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: axebass26 on December 14, 2007, 10:57:25 AM
mods redirect me nalang pag meron na nito... how much yung pinaka murang aabutin na good quality recording equipment for a studio, kahit yung pang live version lang... kung meron price list mas maganda... salamat po
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 14, 2007, 12:34:57 PM
mods redirect me nalang pag meron na nito... how much yung pinaka murang aabutin na good quality recording equipment for a studio, kahit yung pang live version lang... kung meron price list mas maganda... salamat po

Not a very easy question to answer because there are 2 possible paths to choose: a computer-less system and of course, computer system.

Why computer-less? Kasi it is immediately active, so to speak. Practically no boot up time, no need to launch software. Cons are you are limited to the recorder that you buy; very few have upgrade paths and editing capabilities are more limited compared to computer systems. There are gear that allow you onscreen editing and have very good effects (Mackie hard disk recorders and the Roland VS-2480, e.g.), but these will set you back quite a bit.

For computer systems, you will have to decide on the software first and soundcard second. All hardware components after that are a function of compatibility with those first 2 components.

You can inquire with Audiophile about locally available gear. For soundcards, JB and other Salonga branches carry the M-Audio brand. TMS carries some Mackie firewire components like Onyx mixers. The choices locally are more limited compared to abroad. If you can order from online stores, be aware that warranties can be a bit of a problem if you have to order from them.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: x_taxi on December 14, 2007, 02:27:08 PM
You can inquire with Audiophile about locally available gear. For soundcards, JB and other Salonga branches carry the M-Audio brand. TMS carries some Mackie firewire components like Onyx mixers. The choices locally are more limited compared to abroad. If you can order from online stores, be aware that warranties can be a bit of a problem if you have to order from them.

and you can still order emu from axisglobal, through their accredited retail stores.

but the markup's somethin like a 100%, and it takes 45 days.  last time i spoke with michelle, the product manager for creative, it's not saleable, hence the lack of stock.

 :-) :-) :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 14, 2007, 02:57:02 PM
but the markup's somethin like a 100%, and it takes 45 days.  last time i spoke with michelle, the product manager for creative, it's not saleable, hence the lack of stock.

Of course it's not saleable... no one is marketing the product properly.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: axebass26 on December 15, 2007, 11:19:52 AM
uh... thanks... so i'd just need to inquire about the prices...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 19, 2007, 12:36:17 AM
uh... thanks... so i'd just need to inquire about the prices...

marvinq is selling his 1820m if you're interested...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: snidd on December 21, 2007, 03:18:40 AM
sir ito po question:
para saan ba ang audio interface?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 21, 2007, 07:09:15 AM
para saan ba ang audio interface?

From wiki: "An interface defines the communication boundary between two entities, such as a piece of software, a hardware device, or a user."

So, basically, an audio interface is what a computer uses to translate analog sound into binary digits for encoding (A/D conversion), and for translating binary code back into analog sound for playback (D/A conversion).

In short, an audio interface is a soundcard.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: julsam on December 21, 2007, 12:24:29 PM
we record songs using an mp3 voice recorder (its in wav format by default). is there a software which can enhance the files? where can i buy those?
i just want to reduce the noise
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: axebass26 on December 21, 2007, 09:37:49 PM
we record songs using an mp3 voice recorder (its in wav format by default). is there a software which can enhance the files? where can i buy those?
i just want to reduce the noise

hmmm same thing when you use a celphone... i've tried lots of programs but nothing seems to work...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 21, 2007, 10:21:01 PM
hmmm same thing when you use a celphone... i've tried lots of programs but nothing seems to work...

Add to that the fact that mp3 recorders and cellphones use lossy data compression. There is no way to regain the frequencies that were lost as a result of that data compression.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: julsam on December 27, 2007, 10:11:03 AM
sad...  :oops:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: dorothegreat on February 08, 2008, 10:33:43 PM
sir kit, paano po ba pagrecord (guitar tracks pro) na yung guitar lamang po ang mare-record sa track? :?

kasi pag nagplay ako ng backing tracks ay nagsasama sila nung guitar ko sa track, sana po ay yung guitar lang at hindi kasama ung backing track,

salamat po  :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 08, 2008, 11:41:00 PM
sir kit, paano po ba pagrecord (guitar tracks pro) na yung guitar lamang po ang mare-record sa track? :?

If you are using a soundblaster or something similar, stop using "What-You-Hear".  Open the soundcard mixer application and make sure you are adjusting recording volumes and not playback. Activate the "Line In" only; make sure the other faders are not active.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: dorothegreat on February 10, 2008, 09:56:15 AM
salamat po ulit sir kit
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Fretduster on February 10, 2008, 12:06:57 PM
 this might be a silly question for some of you but i dont exactly know what does lightpipe really do.just wondrin if i need this for my future home studio set up.im opting for a presonus firestudio firewire and do i need to get anything else aside from that im since im just starting out?last but not the least what would be the next addition that might further enhance and improve my recording?when it comes to some additional rack gear.thanks in advance po.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 10, 2008, 12:48:06 PM
this might be a silly question for some of you but i dont exactly know what does lightpipe really do.just wondrin if i need this for my future home studio set up.im opting for a presonus firestudio firewire and do i need to get anything else aside from that im since im just starting out?last but not the least what would be the next addition that might further enhance and improve my recording?when it comes to some additional rack gear.thanks in advance po.

Lightpipe is merely marketing speak for fiber optic cable. Fiber optics is used for digital transmission of audio using 2 protocols at this time: S/pdif and ADAT. There is another format but this is often used in consumer systems: DTS and Dolby surround formats. Lightpipe is only necessary if you have equipment that supports ADAT or s/dpif, like 8-preamp converters (Behringer ADA8000 for ex.) which connect to soundcard with ADAT ports. Same with s/pdif, although s/pdif also has an electrical (coax) equivalent.

Before investing in a lot of gear, invest in your room first. Getting great gear is useless if you don't have a good room to record in.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Fretduster on February 10, 2008, 01:04:07 PM
 thanks forthe enlightenmen sir kitc.been struggling to somehow finalize my set up since there's plenty of audio interfaces out there that offers numerous features and somehow made me totally confused on what would i really do need for a basic recording.maybe through experience and research ill be able to comprehend deeper and more complex approach into this field.

 and with regards about the room i do happen to have an extra room that sizes up around 20 sq meters(approx.area).no acoustic treatment whatsoever but when i play my guitar(acoustic/with an amp) and music playbacks it actually sounds good.with a lil echo and and close to non reverberation of the walls.

 would you recommend presonus firestudio sirkit?with all its features i think its not that bad for a start.8 inputs is a ++ since im planning to mic our drumset to make it more realistic/lively than just getting tracks from a drum software plugin.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 10, 2008, 02:09:56 PM
I haven't been reading good things about Presonus lately with regards to drivers and in some cases, build quality. You might want to consider the Focusrite Saffire Pro 10 I/O which also has 8 mic preamps, but no ADAT ports unfortunately (the Saffire Pro 26 has ADAT expandability). What exactly is your definition of 'basic recording'? I suggest determining how many inputs you will require and work around that. It's usually ok to start with 8 inputs for starters - let the equipment pay for itself first before moving on to other gear. One thing I really would spend on are good preamps and mics.

You mention echo in your room. In some cases, this is nice but if you cannot control the timing of the echo, it may not fit some of your recordings which have a different tempo. Worse, you may experience 'flutter' which is distracting for vocals to say the least. Then there is the even greater possibility that room modes will cause uneven frequency response. At least invest in some absorption and diffusion panels to help you control room reflections; this will minimize a 'boxy' sounding room. You can google around for DIY bass traps and other panels to lessen costs.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Fretduster on February 10, 2008, 02:33:47 PM
  hmm its odd bacause with all the reviews ive read lately were at least 75% good towards presonus especially with firestudio and fp10.or maybe they're all fished reviews.well i'll take it from the pro and give some research with focusrite saffire.and oh btw m audio project mix i/ is also in my mind but would that be too advance for me?i might get some fund for it a month from now so i guess i still have a month to decide.and btw with presonus firestudio its preamps arent good enough?

  about echos,good point also sir kitc.im eye ing for some auralex and i forgot the other brand that offers way cheaper than auralex with the same effective solution.ive read something that stated it removes flutter echos so that mightbe the perfect thing for me.just need to experiment on how much of the wall should i cover with knowing that placing it inappropriately and excessive might somehow completely destroy my room's natural characteristic.i have a little to no knowledge at all about treating a room.way back in phils ive seen people used eggcrates and im not sure if that solution actually worked for them.maybe i should patch 2 (2x2's of wedgies) behind and opposite of the monitors?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 10, 2008, 04:13:59 PM
Instead of magazine reviews, try to read more on user reviews; you will find more revealing traits about Presonus gear - since I'm primarily a Sonar user, the Sonar forums do mention these Presonus quirks a lot. This is not to say that all Presonus stuff are bad, but the Firestudio/Firepod has some idiosyncracies which can affect your productivity. The Firestudio preamps are good enough if you're worried about them, but if you get a chance to compare them to really good preamps, say something like a Grace Design Model 101, you'll know what I mean. I'm thinking that adding a very good clock might improve the Firestudio's converters substantially, but we're getting ahead of ourselves.

Eggcrates? Stay away from them.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: axebass26 on February 10, 2008, 11:10:13 PM
why are eggcrates inadvisable?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Fretduster on February 11, 2008, 12:06:17 AM
  actually i've read those reviews from musician's friend/music 123 and zzounds.com but since im planning to use sonar well that made me think a lot lol.ive checked that saffire pro 26/adat that you've recommended and it looks promising with all those features.i just hope it works fine with whatever software im gonna use along the way.for now my idea is to get myself used to digital recording with a basic recording set up.i was actually a bit amazed when i first saw line6 kb37 but ive heard some bad stuff about it like white noise and stuff that made me backed off.ahhh comments will surely make you go back and forth with your decisions hehe.but its been a great help sir kit and i would definitely consider your recommendations and thanks for the time answering my noob questions   :mrgreen:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on February 11, 2008, 09:31:23 AM
HELLO! here i am again!  :-)

ive got music creator2 and guitar tracks installed on my pc(i wish i could get a sonar pr installer).

When i made recordings, it was always without drumtracks, then a friend of mine, gave me this .exe's: Cakewalk sound instruments bass, strings and drums.

Question:

How do i use them? Because when i open the record program and open the .exe's the sound instruments wont sound? how do i use it?

i dont have any mixers, diretso ako sa line in ng pc(dunno if this matters)

Thanks guys!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 12, 2008, 11:13:40 AM
then a friend of mine, gave me this .exe's: Cakewalk sound instruments bass, strings and drums.

Question:

How do i use them? Because when i open the record program and open the .exe's the sound instruments wont sound? how do i use it?

Gave, you say? Hmmmm...

Anyway, Guitar Tracks doesn't do midi (AFAIK it's a purely audio recording program) and Cake's Instruments are vst instruments which require midi in order to trigger, so... it's basically useless for you unless you have another midi capable sequencer like Sonar or Cubase.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: raki on February 13, 2008, 05:37:17 AM
Question lang po.. i'm not sure if this question belongs here or somewhere else, kasi general ang yopis to Recording.. but it seems like if i'll find any Sonar User dito 'yun or sa Cakewalk forums... pero hanapin ko na rin doon later while waiting for a reply dito..

...sa mga tracks sa Sonar, like one track pwedeng magkaron ng multiple clips (nangyayari pag nag copy and paste ako). so okay lang sana since isang track lang naman kaso medyo nakakairita na hindi ko alam kung pano sila i merge.. nakita ko lang using the Help Function is "Bounce to Clip" (yata?), tapos pag ginawa ko naman.. nawawala yung clip?!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on February 13, 2008, 06:30:05 AM
@raki

better wait for KitC's post. AFAIK He's the only Sonar Master here at philmusic.

;)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Fretduster on February 13, 2008, 12:05:05 PM
 what would you guys recommend using?a bundled software included from audio interface you're going to buy or a retail version of software such as sonar 7,steinberg etc.?would it be confusing if you got settled first with bundled softwares and migrating to more advanced interface later on?new learning curb and familiarization of functions,controls and all that.

 also I'm still confused with adat/spdif protocol funtionalities.most of the audio interfaces includes adat/spdif in/outs.i partially understood what kitc explained but its my silly mind that can't fully comprehend.thanks for your patience.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 13, 2008, 12:49:52 PM
@raki - Did you highlight all clips in the track? Are the clips muted in any way? IIRC, if you bounce a muted track, it generates a silent clip. It can be a bit difficult to post in the Cakewalk forums because they always expect you to "RTFM" on something like this... you might be suspected of using a "less than legal" copy of Sonar.

@Fretduster - usually, bundled software have upgrade paths that offer substantial discounts so this is the best way to "join the club", ika nga. Often, bundled software offer less track counts than full software but the functionality is the same. Don't worry much about adat and spdif if you don't use it much.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Fretduster on February 16, 2008, 09:39:14 AM
 I heard krk's rp series monitors arent magnetically shielded.does it neccesarily mean that its a bad thing that it might get some frequency interference with other nearby devices?or placement plays a big factor when setting it up in your home studio?events are good but more expensive.vsts are great but a bit pricey imo.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 16, 2008, 11:10:36 AM
I heard krk's rp series monitors arent magnetically shielded.does it neccesarily mean that its a bad thing that it might get some frequency interference with other nearby devices?

Nope.

Magnetic shielding was only included so you can position the monitors close to CRT monitors. Strong magnetic files cause image and color distortions in CRTs, in some cases magnetizing the CRT's color mask causing 'spots'. These spots can be removed by degaussing the CRT but continuous exposure to the fields can cause the color spots to become permanent. The advent of LCD monitors have made this shielding superfluous in most cases, although a lot of people still use CRTs. Moral of the story? Don't use CRTs near unshielded monitors and vice versa.

EDIT: I typed magnetic files... I meant fields. :oops:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on February 16, 2008, 06:55:23 PM
Gave, you say? Hmmmm...

Anyway, Guitar Tracks doesn't do midi (AFAIK it's a purely audio recording program) and Cake's Instruments are vst instruments which require midi in order to trigger, so... it's basically useless for you unless you have another midi capable sequencer like Sonar or Cubase.

yes KitC.. gave.. sorry.  :lol:

thanks for the info.. ive got to get myself a sonar pro na talaga. thanks again.  :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 17, 2008, 04:24:24 AM
yes KitC.. gave.. sorry.  :lol:

thanks for the info.. ive got to get myself a sonar pro na talaga. thanks again.  :-)

As long as you do the right thing...

Sonar is great for midi... same for Cubase, but I suggest mastering one software first. I've been using Cakewalk since Pro Audio 4 so you can say I'm very comfortable with the Sonar environment. If you have any Q's, just ask.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: dorothegreat on February 18, 2008, 09:36:23 PM
sir kit, ask ko lang kung paano tanggalin ung humming/hissing sound pag ginamit ko ung amplitude2 bilang fx sa cakewalk guitar pro tracks? tnx

ginamit ko setting e ung post ni sir chito dun sa jam thread:

stomps: Overscream, delay
amp: British Tube Lead 1
eq mod: British Tube Lead 1
cab: 4 x 12 Closed Modern 1
mic: Condenser 414

salamat po  :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 18, 2008, 09:51:03 PM
One method would be to use a noise gate, but this can sound unnatural if you don't know how to tweak it's settings. For one thing, you want a natural decay to the signal. Secondly, a noise gate doesn't eliminate the noise altogether since it is still there but is being masked by the louder guitar signal.

Another method is to edit the noise out algorithmically. Audacity has a noise removal capability; you load the wav and sample a portion where the guitar isn't playing but noise is present... the algorithm will generate a noise profile from that portion. Highlight the rest of the wave then apply the process; the noise should be 'filtered' out. Do the process in stages, do not apply 100% processing at once since this often introduces artifacts.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: dorothegreat on February 20, 2008, 06:15:22 PM
maraming salamat ulit sir Kit, try ko na idaan muna sa RAT ko, ok naman ung naging resulta, try ko po ung suggestion nyo. :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Fretduster on February 22, 2008, 07:48:07 PM
thanks a lot sir kit.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on February 27, 2008, 11:43:27 AM
Question question! hehe

Hey! why is it that when I began my recording at 120bpm the meter jumped to 140bpm after two bars? weird. i opened a new project and there was no problem.

and...

what does it mean when my cpu usage turns red and a warning appears? but after a few moments of not tinkering the computer it'd go back to low cpu usage again.. does it have anything to do with low memory?

it happens when i open my ezdrummer and begin copy and pasting tracks.

btw, im using sonar7, i began two days ago.

any response appreciated. thanks guys.

Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 27, 2008, 11:56:28 AM
Hey! why is it that when I began my recording at 120bpm the meter jumped to 140bpm after two bars? weird. i opened a new project and there was no problem.

Look in the tempo window. A tempo change has been inserted into the project.

what does it mean when my cpu usage turns red and a warning appears? but after a few moments of not tinkering the computer it'd go back to low cpu usage again.. does it have anything to do with low memory?

You might be using a plugin that imposes a heavy load on your pc while using very low latency settings; you might need to upgrade to a more powerful cpu or use a less cpu-hungry plugin. Also check that your hard disk isn't fragmented. Increasing ram will help with some processes, but not all. More ram usually helps with sample-based plugin instruments.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on February 27, 2008, 12:01:19 PM
Look in the tempo window. A tempo change has been inserted into the project.

You might be using a plugin that imposes a heavy load on your pc while using very low latency settings; you might need to upgrade to a more powerful cpu or use a less cpu-hungry plugin. Also check that your hard disk isn't fragmented. Increasing ram will help with some processes, but not all. More ram usually helps with sample-based plugin instruments.

oh! i get the tempo part.. i think i diddled the meter last night. I'll change my latency when i get home and maybe increase the ram. hmmm..

thanks KitC. i worship you. haha
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: drummerboy827 on March 17, 2008, 10:23:45 PM
There's like a million things i want to know about recording
- like where to plug in the mics
- what are the proper mics to use
- the mixing devices
- how to properly mix the product
- how do some bands come up with wierd samples/sound effects (tool, incubus, and stuff)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on March 17, 2008, 11:32:04 PM
There's like a million things i want to know about recording
- like where to plug in the mics - a preamp
- what are the proper mics to use - depends on the situation
- the mixing devices - they're called mixers
- how to properly mix the product - normally, we use our ears
- how do some bands come up with wierd samples/sound effects (tool, incubus, and stuff) - imagination, nightmares... they usually have engineers and producers who come up with this stuff  TIP: try getting to know about sampling and sound design


Take all these one step at a time and don't be afraid to crack open manuals and articles on mixing and recording. Try to get some time in a nearby studio, but don't go in there and pester the engineer with questions; be prepared with some theory and be quiet during tracking and mixing. Above all, use your ears, not your eyes, when mixing!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: lynman3 on March 18, 2008, 10:27:19 PM
Mabuhay!!!

Nabasa ko itong thread na ito starting from 2006 at medyo pahapyaw at mabilis lang kaya may mga technical post na hindi ko na masyado inintindi dahil what Im looking is some association ng mga arranger dito sa Pilipinas.

Mukhang may nangyari naman at nag karoon ng isang meeting. COngrats sa nag organize. Wala ba uli kayo na isa pang gathering para maka attend naman ako at madagdagan ang kaalaman at the same time mag share din ng nalalaman sa pag areglo, at pag produce ng mga kanta.

Kit C ikaw pinaka active dito at very informative yung iyong mga answers mo sa mga padawan.  Mabuhay ka!!!

Lynman




Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on March 19, 2008, 12:38:15 AM
Thanks for the kind words, lynman3!

There are others aside from I who also share their knowledge and experience, and they also deserve our kudos (you know who YOU are). Rest assured that we will continue sharing whatever knowledge we can, while we can.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sound formula on April 10, 2008, 08:32:21 PM
good day! i am bothered by pops from the monitor speakers that occur when we play the recorded tracks when we mix. it happens especially when we play the mix of songs with relatively more tracks (say, more than 20) and songs in which we use more plug-ins for. I recently added 1GB RAM because i thought this will solve the problem but unfortunately, it didn't. my present set-up is an Intel dual core processor 2.8GHz, 2GB RAM, 64MB Video Card. I use an M-Audio Delta 1010LT PCI Recording Interface and my software is Sony Vegas 6. It really bothers me when the pops occur. Could you please help me remedy this? Thank you.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on April 11, 2008, 06:38:32 AM
that's probably because you're maxing out your computer's CPU horsepower. try increasing the buffer for your sound card -- it will introduce more latency, but the pops and clicks should be gone, assuming the audio was correctly recorded.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on April 11, 2008, 08:05:07 PM
yung mga plugins ang pumatay sa pc mo...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: kaloyster on April 12, 2008, 11:27:44 AM
I want to learn how to tweak MIDI drum plugins so they sound real.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sound formula on April 12, 2008, 12:40:40 PM
thanks skin and mr. querido. mr. querido, pardon my ignorance but what do you mean by increasing my sound card's buffer and how do i do that? thanks so much.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on April 14, 2008, 04:37:20 PM
I want to learn how to tweak MIDI drum plugins so they sound real.

buy toontrack's ezdrummer...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: kaloyster on April 14, 2008, 07:47:14 PM
Yep skin, that's on my plan already. But for the meantime, I just want to know, hindi naman necessary na "bassy" ang drum track diba? and talagang backing track lang ito? Kasi nakasanayan kong napapakinggan sa rap songs na mas malakas ang drums, kaya medyo may pinagtatalunan kami ng bandmates ko pag drums na ang imini-mix.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on April 14, 2008, 08:18:37 PM
Yep skin, that's on my plan already. But for the meantime, I just want to know, hindi naman necessary na "bassy" ang drum track diba? and talagang backing track lang ito? Kasi nakasanayan kong napapakinggan sa rap songs na mas malakas ang drums, kaya medyo may pinagtatalunan kami ng bandmates ko pag drums na ang imini-mix.

baka mawala ang balance pag nag-aaway kayo...siyempre kung guitarist ka gusto malakas ang guitar sa mix...para di kayo mag-away, let the professionals do it...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 17, 2008, 06:49:59 PM
I want to learn how to tweak MIDI drum plugins so they sound real.

I guess the first rule of midi drums is that a drummer only has 4 limbs. Loosely translated, this equates to approximately 4 note polyphony, unless you happen to be Akira Jimbo, who can probably do twice that number or more! If you want midi drums to sound real, the first thing is to imitate what a drummer really does in real life, rarely producing more than 4 notes at any given time (unless you are Akira like I mentioned  :-D ).

Next thing, not all notes are hit at the same velocity every single time. And hits don't always fall on the beat unless that is what you are going for. It's true that the best drummers have impeccable timing, but most usually inject very small timing variances to add 'groove'.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: kaloyster on April 18, 2008, 11:43:12 AM
Thanks sa tip Kit! Tanong ko na rin, nagamit mo na ba ang Ultrabeat plugin ng Logic Pro? Kasi meron sila dung "randomize velocity" so pa clinick yun, auto na nag iiba iba ang lakas ng palo ng hi-hat etc mimicking how a drummer play in real life.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 18, 2008, 04:14:03 PM
Thanks sa tip Kit! Tanong ko na rin, nagamit mo na ba ang Ultrabeat plugin ng Logic Pro? Kasi meron sila dung "randomize velocity" so pa clinick yun, auto na nag iiba iba ang lakas ng palo ng hi-hat etc mimicking how a drummer play in real life.

Not being a mac guy (yet), I haven't used ultrabeat, but it's similar to most drum plugins that have a randomize function. Go easy on randomize, though. It's terribly easy to make it sound like the drummer had too many drinks during the session (think lurch). Here's a small tip... usually during choruses, the tempo sometimes gets a bit faster to add excitement during that section.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xid02 on May 07, 2008, 09:45:45 PM
ask lang po sirs/ma'ams


nu po yung mga basic home recodring tools na pwede gamitin...

as in simple lang... yung tipong guitar ang rerecord mo...

and ask na rin po for a drum machine software...

gusto ko kasi record mga guitar stuffs ko ngayon ko lang nagisip isip bakit indi ko kaya irecord...


wala talga ako idea about sa recording eh...


thanks in advance sa mga makakatulong... tsalamat!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on June 27, 2008, 11:58:30 AM
Sorry if I haven't replied, xid02... been terribly busy lately.

Try reading up on the earlier posts and you will have an idea. Also go thru the "Setting Up Your PC for Recording" thread or surf over to the guides at tweakheadz.com.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on July 09, 2008, 11:37:39 PM
HELP!

My metronome wouldn't sound! what did i do?! I should sync when i begin to record, but there's no sound! NO SOUND! NO TICKKKK!!  :-(

Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on July 10, 2008, 08:49:28 AM
My metronome wouldn't sound! what did i do?! I should sync when i begin to record, but there's no sound! NO SOUND! NO TICKKKK!!  :-(

What software? What soundcard?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: LouieAzcona on July 10, 2008, 10:34:51 AM
HELP!

My metronome wouldn't sound! what did i do?! I should sync when i begin to record, but there's no sound! NO SOUND! NO TICKKKK!!  :-(



heres what you should do... relax. haha  :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on July 11, 2008, 11:52:46 PM
What software? What soundcard?

Hi kit... software is sonar 7...soundcard? STOCK?! vinyl wave something?

huhu..

breaathhheeee...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on July 14, 2008, 09:49:12 AM
Hi kit... software is sonar 7...soundcard? STOCK?! vinyl wave something?

Go to Options>Project...>Metronome and use the audio metronome. You can also use midi if you have the Microsoft GS synth active in midi options. If the playback box isn't checked, you will only hear the metronome when you have a record enabled track.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on July 16, 2008, 12:53:04 AM
Go to Options>Project...>Metronome and use the audio metronome. You can also use midi if you have the Microsoft GS synth active in midi options. If the playback box isn't checked, you will only hear the metronome when you have a record enabled track.

alright! thank you so much!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: konfront on July 25, 2008, 10:07:15 PM
a good place to start would be to actually go to a studio, record, edit, and mix.
aint' nuthing like gettin your hands dirty figuring out signal low, miking strategies, reverb options.  because we could talk about the finer points of tube vs solid state till our tongues grow hair but we won't get anywhere if we don't do the deed.  so lets do it!

another route would be to send mixes via the net for critique.  i wanna do it!

lets do this!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: TheMasterExploder on August 16, 2008, 11:57:56 AM
may marerecommend ho ba kayong
software for recording (simple riffs, not too showy vocs, etc)
na idiot free??

talagang kamote ako sa pagrerecord,
di ko inakalang komplikado pala..
lista ko lang yung nasubukan na,
pero di kinaya ng pasensya..

audacity (idiot proof nga, pero ang kapalit naman crappy sound quality.)
acid 4
fruity loop
ableton live
prop. head reason

dito kasi sa nahuling apat,
sobrang daming buttons, yung manual lagpas 200 pages,
di ko malaman kung alin pipindutin para lang magrecord..

i can send a short file na ginawa ko sa
audacity..sa palagay ko nung una ko na sya,
pero nung narinig ko yung mga ibang galing sa mas
high tech na software nahiya ako, sobrang linis
nung resulta..

a very curious and enthusiastic noob here..
eager to lean from the masters!!
 :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: LouieAzcona on August 16, 2008, 02:19:00 PM
Gaano po ba katotoo na may effect ang software sa sound quality? Nakakapagtaka lang kasi puro DATA lang ang naman ng software diba.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on August 18, 2008, 07:04:01 AM
there isn't much difference with regards to the way different makers of music software record, because a lot of it is hardware-dependent. what makes them sound different from each other (although very subtly) is their mix engine. of course their resampling routine is like a 'secret recipe' also. :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jamming_papu on November 01, 2008, 02:28:06 AM
hello MTPA people.  :-D

i've got a question, i just bought a pre-amp and plan to use its digital SPDIF out to my m-audio souncard. hence, i'll be needing a digital coaxial cable, i'd tried looking in the net but i only found something in foreign webpages.

is there anyone here who knows where to buy/get good and working digital coaxial cables locally?  are the expensive one's worth buying? how much does a good 2-3 meter RCA-RCA cable cost?

by the way, anyone here uses SPDIF signals in recording? share naman kayo ng experiences nyo.  :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alien_inside on November 01, 2008, 06:58:11 PM
he he... ako gamit ko Belden RG-59. as long as coax, and it is 72 Ohms.. tsaka AUDIO OUT ko lang naman ginagamit for monitoring... inputs? i'm not sure.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jamming_papu on November 03, 2008, 04:10:43 PM
ey bro. allen, belden cables... Avesco ang distributor ng Belden cables sa 'pinas. tanong ako sa kanila kung may available sila na nito. mga 1.5 m lang naman kailangan ko eh. pagawa na lang ako. thanks for the info.  :-D 

actually, napapagana ko naman yung pre-amp ko sa balanced 1/4" analogue out nya. malinaw naman sya but i observe some unclear parts sa stereo imaging. saka, sabi kasi mas malinaw daw yung signal pag yung SPDIF out yung ginamit.

btw, my pre-amp is Samson C-Valve. http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1651

very good preamp. malinis saka kayang 'patabain' o gawing warmer yung signal. it doesn't have that pure tube sound though.  :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on November 04, 2008, 09:15:44 AM
by the way, anyone here uses SPDIF signals in recording? share naman kayo ng experiences nyo.  :-D

We used to feed the spdif input of the 1010LT with spdif from an Alesis mixer... turned out pretty good. Limitations? up to 48 khz max sample rate. Some interfaces will allow up to 96 khz but those are rare.

72 ohms? AFAIK, the standard is 75 ohms, but if it works... The secret to spdif is keeping cables short - around 2-3 meters. Any longer and you run the risk of internal reflections thereby causing jitter (yes, even electrical cables can have 'reflections'), aside from EMI/RFI, even with good shielding. Spdif is less tolerant of interference. I use both optical and coax and I sometimes find optical to be a tad more difficult, especially if you use cheap optical cables, but optical is better if you have an electrically 'noisy' environment or cable routing.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jamming_papu on November 04, 2008, 02:26:12 PM
thanks sir kit.  :-D

i'll keep those things in mind. 1m could even be enough in my case. both of my preamp and soundcard, according to their features are capabale of 96 khz sampling rate. i'll try it but i think my pc hardware couldn't keep up with those kind of settings. i'll just get my coaxial cable first and see how things would come up. hopefully, better input sound signals than using analog ins.  :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on November 04, 2008, 03:21:11 PM
i'll just get my coaxial cable first and see how things would come up. hopefully, better input sound signals than using analog ins.  :-D

Not always the case.

Remember that having digital inputs do not guarantee a better signal path especially if the device outputting the spdif signal is noisy to begin with, has noisy preamps, or even a jittery A/D converter. One benefit you will get from using spdif is that electrical interference such as hum becomes a non-issue between the device outputting the spdif signal and the device receiving the spdif, as long as the A/D is free from noise or has a very low noise floor.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: junya on December 17, 2008, 10:45:56 PM
i give you a 2 thumbs up for this . Although I have a hands-on myself of some recording hardware I am still in the process of mastering it. eg. Samplitude 7.
and things are in my head like a crumpled wires. I just laugh about it.hahahahahah when there is trouble..... share it to others and you'll get the answer.

junya
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jamming_papu on January 09, 2009, 02:51:23 AM
Sir Kit, tanong lang po.
makaka-experience po ba ako ng signal lost if a balanced out of a preamp was splitted to 2 separate signals that has been plugged to an input which is L and R/stereo?  :?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on January 09, 2009, 08:15:04 AM
Sir Kit, tanong lang po.
makaka-experience po ba ako ng signal lost if a balanced out of a preamp was splitted to 2 separate signals that has been plugged to an input which is L and R/stereo?  :?

A single balanced out is actually a MONO signal. The signals on pins 2 and 3 are actually PHASE REVERSED. If you were to 'split' the two signals and combine them into a stereo track, you would get complete phase cancellation of the signal. This is the reason why I emphatically tell others that just because a balanced cable from a balanced output may remind you of a headphone cable, it is not, I repeat, IS NOT, stereo.

You CAN use a balanced TRS cable as an extender for headphone outputs or some other use involving stereo outputs to stereo inputs... a cable is a cable. Outputs, OTOH, are either mono or stereo (or even multichannel in the case of ADAT optical) and no amount of fudging with a balanced mono output will ever turn it into a stereo signal, unless phase cancellation is what you're after.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jamming_papu on January 09, 2009, 11:35:09 PM
i get it. clearly and systematically. it's quite a not-good practice since the resulting phase cancellation would create reduction in the overall signal / altered frequencies which eventually make an unpleasant result in the track.

lotsa thanks po uli.  :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: junya on February 02, 2009, 09:12:03 PM
i used to have samplitude and made some mixing here and there but still i don't know how to manage ctrl XX commands. like what to do in case I am in a situation my cursor changes., or what ctrl XX command (if there is any) are you going to use if you want to change/correct pitches.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 03, 2009, 10:49:24 AM
Not much of a Samplitude user here, I'm afraid. Been using Sonar's V-Vocal for most of my pitch and time correction lately. Still waiting for Melodyne's DNA.  :wink:

Vince! Care to lend a hand?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: x_taxi on February 04, 2009, 11:01:50 PM
i used to have samplitude and made some mixing here and there but still i don't know how to manage ctrl XX commands. like what to do in case I am in a situation my cursor changes., or what ctrl XX command (if there is any) are you going to use if you want to change/correct pitches.

samp 10 user here.  you just gotta get used to the mouse modes.  kinda bit of a steep-ish learnin curve though.

whaddya mean pitch changes? sa midi ba or elastic audio?  i have no experience with samp 7 though, i started on samp 9.  lotsa helpful people over at the official samplitude forum.

 :-) :-) :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: x_taxi on February 04, 2009, 11:11:53 PM
Not much of a Samplitude user here, I'm afraid. Been using Sonar's V-Vocal for most of my pitch and time correction lately. Still waiting for Melodyne's DNA.  :wink:

Vince! Care to lend a hand?

melodyne's sweet! those things are outta my budget though.  then again, i rarely do pitch correction stuff.

@junya - nice to have a fellow samp user in this here parts.  i feel like i'm all alone.  haha.

 :-) :-) :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 05, 2009, 08:18:25 AM
samp 10 user here.  you just gotta get used to the mouse modes.

I sometimes feel there are more commands when right clicking than even in the menu bar. I have Samp 8SE and I really find the mixer to be very powerful, although I got put off when they somewhat crippled the SE version.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 05, 2009, 08:18:36 AM
samp 10 user here.  you just gotta get used to the mouse modes.

I sometimes feel there are more commands when right clicking than even in the menu bar. I have Samp 8SE and I really find the mixer to be very powerful, although I got put off when they somewhat crippled the SE version.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: x_taxi on February 05, 2009, 10:20:29 AM
I sometimes feel there are more commands when right clicking than even in the menu bar. I have Samp 8SE and I really find the mixer to be very powerful, although I got put off when they somewhat crippled the SE version.

comin from fl studio, then reason, to cubase vst, which was my first proper sequencer, samp did seem wholly un-intuitive - which i guess put off a lot of people as well.  i started on samp 9 se, which was pretty great except for the lack of the essential plugins in the full version.  i tried logic 6 also, but it was worse intuitively for me.

then when i got my multicore, i switched to the full version.  still did most of my scores with reason and fl studio while i was learnin the ways of the samp -  well at least til i got the hang of it, i.e. less gropin around, more work done.  it's a very stable sequencer, and i swear by it with the unrealistic deadlines i deal with.

 :-) :-)  :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: thowlights on February 13, 2009, 08:47:46 AM



noob question lng po mga sirs....

im using audacity as recording software for basic home recording...
im using line6 ux1 & gearbox software for mic & instrument..
when im doing some multitracking..i notice po na may echo or magkakaroon ng repeatition in vocals or instrument..which makes it difficult na sabayan ang first track..ano po kaya maipapayo ninyo?tnx in advance  :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: juanberto on May 17, 2009, 10:09:54 PM
mastering.. hehe
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on May 19, 2009, 12:21:41 PM
@thowlights - turn off software monitoring.

@juanberto - one must learn to crawl first before one can walk... learn how to mix well first before delving into mastering. One cannot create a good master if the mix itself is bad.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alien_inside on May 21, 2009, 03:52:14 AM
mastering.. hehe
Tsaka habang nagmimix ka, dapat naiimagine mo na how you will master...
Mixing is paid on per hour basis. Mastering is PER SONG...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: BALDO on July 24, 2009, 01:45:55 PM
Tsaka habang nagmimix ka, dapat naiimagine mo na how you will master...
Mixing is paid on per hour basis. Mastering is PER SONG...
not necessarily.. mastering can be charged in an hourly basis also if the mix is bad...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: wilfredo.eclipse on August 05, 2009, 08:50:00 PM
may i ask a question? gusto ko lang sana malaman kung ano yung sinasalpak sa desktop pc yung parang small cable? "input: electric guitar, output: desktop computer". Saan naman po makakabili and magkano po? salamat.  :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alien_inside on August 09, 2009, 01:27:32 AM
not necessarily.. mastering can be charged in an hourly basis also if the mix is bad...
sometimes i charge per hour.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on August 10, 2009, 08:03:09 AM
Guys, we can take up mastering and rates in another thread.

Next question, please.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alien_inside on August 14, 2009, 01:35:10 AM
Guys, we can take up mastering and rates in another thread.

Next question, please.

i've been wrestling with this problem ever since:

what will i do to get rid of that stubborn MIDI CLICK? any CC or NOTE command sent to my modules ( through 9-pin serial port ) produces a CLICK...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: ceL on August 29, 2009, 02:22:17 AM
sir boss KitC, pano po kayo nagrerecord? Ung way nyo po... step by step.. from ways how to record instruments - what kind of mixer - software you're using - how you mix, thing to know how we can make a good result.. parang flow po ng recording nyo at anong gamit.. pwde po ung kayang intindihin ng walang background sa recording..  kapag nasagot nyo po yan, sa inyo na lng kaluluwa ko... Thanks!  :-D  :-D :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: turiguiliano on September 02, 2009, 10:19:46 PM
Finally got to use my Pre Sonus Inspire GT 1394. It's a bit FW card sensitive. The FW card has to have either a Texas Instrument chip set or VIA. Using Cubase SX3 software. Tutorials c/o Los of Up Dharma Down.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on September 03, 2009, 02:23:50 PM
sir boss KitC, pano po kayo nagrerecord? Ung way nyo po... step by step.. from ways how to record instruments - what kind of mixer - software you're using - how you mix, thing to know how we can make a good result.. parang flow po ng recording nyo at anong gamit.. pwde po ung kayang intindihin ng walang background sa recording..  kapag nasagot nyo po yan, sa inyo na lng kaluluwa ko... Thanks!  :-D  :-D :-D

You have to understand that my personal studio is primarily based on sequencers; i.e., most of my sounds come from softsynths. That way, my recording process is merely rendering the various synths audio into specific tracks which I EQ and compress accordingly, entirely in the digital domain. It also helps that I have a soundcard (Emu) and monitoring system (AKG headphones and Fostex monitors) whose sound I trust completely. About the only time I will record externally is when I fly in vocals or the occasional guitar track into my software (presently Sonar 8 Professional), and then I also do mixing in the box. I also own Cubase, but have since migrated fully to Sonar since it became 64-bit.

Since my soundcard is capable of 8 analog inputs, I don't use a mixer. But where I work (Carmel House), we do use several good preamps (mostly Neve) which we use to fly in audio into our Pro Tools setup. Needless to say, we are capable of around 56 input channels, and have mixed more than 100 tracks at a time with the PT system.

For software, use the one you are comfortable with. I leaned early on towards Sonar because it's midi capabilities were what I seemed to be more comfortable with since Cubase's midi did not behave the way I wanted it to, although I found Cubase to be better at handling audio (this was during my Sonar 4/Cubase SL2 years). Some of my colleagues (Marvin Q, for. ex.) happily use Cubase (5) and Logic (9) with equal proficiency, but find Sonar to be quite garish visually.

Recording flow depends on how you work, but when recording a band, I normally like to get the lows sounding well first, and that means the kick and the bass. On other occasions, I will work on getting the vocals perfect first, then "design" the rest of the instruments around that - it is important that whatever is taking the lead in a song, whether vocals or an instrument, be the one to have the best sonic space, with the rest of the instruments supporting it.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: ceL on September 07, 2009, 10:01:06 AM
Maraming salamat po sa pag share ng knowledge! Isa po kayong alamat...  :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on September 10, 2009, 07:35:33 AM
...Some of my colleagues (Marvin Q, for. ex.) happily use Cubase (5) and Logic (9) with equal proficiency, but find Sonar to be quite garish visually.

...it is important that whatever is taking the lead in a song, whether vocals or an instrument, be the one to have the best sonic space, with the rest of the instruments supporting it.

Hahaha. I can't believe I only saw this now. :-)

Arrangement-wise or mixing-wise, I try my best not to take away the focus that which deserves it at that particular moment, whether it's a string line, a drum fill, or the lead vocal (of course, for the most part).

Maraming salamat po sa pag share ng knowledge! Isa po kayong alamat...  :-)

Yup. That's Kitc. :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on September 10, 2009, 10:44:04 AM
Hahaha. I can't believe I only saw this now. :-)

hehe... it's been awhile since you've been to this playground.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: soundslikebryan on September 26, 2009, 05:29:14 PM
Patulong lang mga bossing.

Magre-record kami ng acoustic tracks, kaya lang in the past, medyo dull and dry yung acoustic guitar track na na-record namin.

We use a direct connection to the PC tapos we use a condenser mic as well which connects to the PC both connects to the PC using Line 6 POD XT.

Nagtataka lang kami kasi hindi pa din ganun ka-sharp yung tunog.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Also, any quick tips on recording drum tracks? (specifically how to mic the kits)

Thanks ulit.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on September 30, 2009, 09:21:49 AM
Bryan,

The thing about acoustic guitar is that it often needs room to breath. Aside from close miking techniques, we sometimes put up an ambience mic some distance away. For close miking, sometimes a stereo setup is desired; start with a mic at the 12th fret and another near the bridge about 6" away, then move them around until you find the sweet spot. This is how you get a balance of clarity and body. If these 2 mics capture what you want, sometimes an ambient mic isn't necessary. The direct connection often isn't the best since it is dependent on the quality of the piezo pickups - maybe passing this through a Fishman will help.

Drum miking? I've heard wonders done with 2 mic setups. The only thing to know is to use a really good pair of headphones with very good isolation characteristics, then position the mics (while listening through the cans) where it captures the essence of the drums. Sometimes, all it takes is a kick mic and 2 overheads once you position the mics carefully.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on September 30, 2009, 12:01:53 PM
Take it from KitC. He's the Ernie Baron of the musicians. But once you get to know him, you'll find out he's just your regular everyday genius. :-)

The Fishman Aura is a little pricey, but it really does wonders. And you need to use one that's matched for the guitar you're using. :-)

Also, a great sounding room always helps in getting a good guitar sound. And drum sound, for that matter.

Drum miking? Most Motown records were recorded (as far as I know) with one overhead mic and another one for the bass drum. 2 overheads and 1 kick drum mic? I actually love that sound. Just make sure you don't put the overheads too close to the cymbals or your drum tracks are going to be cymbal-heavy, expecially if you don't have mics for the individual drums.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: soundslikebryan on October 02, 2009, 12:09:30 AM
Thanks bossing. Will try this over the weekend. Would a dynamic mic work as an ambient mic? We only have 1 condenser. Its pretty expensive, but we do have a couple of great shure mics and the condenser we're using is a Rode NT1000. I'll check out the fishman too.

We do have 4 drum mics. Using them for the tom toms and snare. 1 overhead for the hi-hat and ride and 1 for the crash. The thing is we were also using a china and a splash, which we would love to have a separate track, but its just hard to do so.

We're only recording in my friends garage. The acoustics there is pretty decent. I suggested we record the vocals and the acoustic guitar in the bathroom.

Another question (nagsamantala na). A friend of mine suggested for me to get a vocal Pre-amp. Do you think its necessary? We use Adobe Audition to record, and Gearbox helps in adding echo, balance and reverb for vocals.

Thanks a lot!!!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on October 02, 2009, 11:40:36 AM
The Fishman Aura can be a bit pricey, but it really is great especially in a live gig.

We do have 4 drum mics. Using them for the tom toms and snare. 1 overhead for the hi-hat and ride and 1 for the crash. The thing is we were also using a china and a splash, which we would love to have a separate track, but its just hard to do so.

Mic the drums as if you were treating it like a single instrument. Experiment with mic and cymbal placement so that the kit becomes a cohesive whole instead of trying to capture one instrument at a time.

Another question (nagsamantala na). A friend of mine suggested for me to get a vocal Pre-amp. Do you think its necessary? We use Adobe Audition to record, and Gearbox helps in adding echo, balance and reverb for vocals.

Depends on what you need. Personally, I feel getting a mic which complements the vocals is initially more important; getting a great preamp will only make it shine more. See if you can audition different mics for your singer. Sometimes it doesn't have to be top of the line, just use your ears. Butch Vig of Garbage once found a defective vintage RCA mic in a bargain bin that would have been crappy for anyone else, but with Shirley Manson, her voice just bloomed.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: carl20 on October 06, 2009, 01:38:04 PM
why is it sir that drum sound from western and european recordings are much fatter, warmer sounding than here.

I've been comparing audio's of foreign artists against some better sounding recordings here, they do really have big difference.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on October 06, 2009, 09:05:13 PM
It's a combination of a lot of things... good mics, good preamps, judicious use of compression and a whole lot of experience.

We can't beat them at their own game since they're so far ahead of the curve. I think it's about time we made our path. Truth be told, foreign recordings are weaning away from that over compressed, 'big' sound and heading back into more rational levels.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: carl20 on October 07, 2009, 12:59:20 PM
thanks for the reply sir,

our band are gearing up for recording coming this november at tracks studios, under monty macalino.. any tips sir...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: mikep on October 07, 2009, 03:38:12 PM
Practice ahead of time.  Rehearse your pieces well.  Make sure you know what you are suppose to do during recording.  Tell the engineer what sound you have in your head.  Make him listen to examples.  If other members of the band do not have anything to do with the recording or tracking being done, ask them to step out of the control booth.  The fewer people, the better, the faster things can happen.

BTW, foriegn drums fatter?  Songs sound better compared to local recordings?  As KitC said, a lot of things.  But let me just add, they - producer, artists and engineer know what and how the song is suppose to sound.  Emphasis on know.

Enjoy your recording.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: carl20 on October 07, 2009, 04:41:43 PM
thank you sir mikep for the tip sir, this will be very helpful for us in achieving what sound we really like.. :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: carl20 on October 08, 2009, 08:01:37 AM
one thing I always observed when watching the behind the scenes of some foreign artist recording, is that they always use huge room for drum tracking and lots of microphone for ambient why can't we do this here?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on October 08, 2009, 08:54:44 AM
Simple... large rooms cost money.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: carl20 on October 08, 2009, 10:17:18 AM
oh,... hmmmm,... soundcreation by sir shinji and blue lights studios quite have a very good roomy space.  But is it really advisable that natural reverb of the room is the best way unlike using a plugin ambient rooms.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on October 08, 2009, 11:23:17 AM
Well, the bottom line is that a particular space has to be set aside and designed that way if you want it to sound good. Shinji's main room in particular has a 30 ft high ceiling, which I believe was part of his specification and design when he had his house constructed. Most other studios who move into an existing space don't have that luxury and have to deal with the acoustic anomalies that arise from those spaces. Among the worst things you can do is put a studio inside a cube (eh, mikep?).

Other studios are lucky. Abbey Road is a good example of having a good sounding room which they moved into. But to purpose build a studio, specifically with high ceilings, like I said earlier, will cost money.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: carl20 on October 08, 2009, 11:34:05 AM
hehehe I was thinking kasi of putting it up in an old warehouse or somewhat like that space my gears din, just want to experiment..
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bellhaus on October 10, 2009, 01:38:08 PM
pasali hehehe! someone once said to me that audio recording is like photography! go get a great lens (mics), camera (interface) lighting (cable) & a model (artist)

just want to share too!

nonie m.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on October 10, 2009, 06:03:53 PM
one thing I always observed when watching the behind the scenes of some foreign artist recording, is that they always use huge room for drum tracking and lots of microphone for ambient why can't we do this here?

Not every type of music can be helped by a large room and lots of mics. There are workarounds. You just need to know the sound you want, and how to get that sound. The equipment isn't quite as important as knowing how to use it. In fact, most of the time, the limitations force the artist to think outside the box. Sometimes it's better to concentrate your efforts on making the song better, making the performance better, instead of figuring out which mic or which of your hi-end preamps to use, or whether to track with compression or not, and if so, which compressor, blah, blah. I'd take a great performance on cheap equipment any day over a so-so performance on hi-end equipment. Remember how mikep adviced on rehearsing your material well. That's advice that can't be underestimated.

pasali hehehe! someone once said to me that audio recording is like photography! go get a great lens (mics), camera (interface) lighting (cable) & a model (artist)

just want to share too!

nonie m.

Good equipment helps, of course. Here's the thing about hi-end stuff. Whether it's music or photography, hi-end equipment elevates people's expectations of your output. Fumble on great equipment, and you appear a bigger idiot.

oh,... hmmmm,... soundcreation by sir shinji and blue lights studios quite have a very good roomy space.  But is it really advisable that natural reverb of the room is the best way unlike using a plugin ambient rooms.

Only if you can tell the difference (of course you can tell in an A/B situation, but when you listen to a radio, can you tell which songs used a live room, and which ones used a plug-in?), and if you can tell that the difference actually resulted in superior audio.

Let me advice everybody against using something only because it's there. Sometimes better sound can come from cheaper equipment. SSL's will always have better distortion and noise figures than Behringers, but who's to say that Behringer's distortion characteristics won't help your sound? My favorite cymbal in my studio was a 600 peso unbranded cymbal I got from Raon. And KitC knows how many cymbals I have. Honestly, I've lost count. :-)

I guess what I'm trying to say is... use your ears. Your eyes will always tell you that the more expensive equipment will always be better. Your ears might hear differently.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: carl20 on October 13, 2009, 07:09:29 AM
well said sir marvinq,.. I'll take note of these,.. thank you! :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alvincflorentino on October 16, 2009, 12:42:01 AM
Hi. Noobie here. Don't even know if this is the right place to ask this but here it goes anyway.

Just wanna know what's the difference between an electret condenser mic and the run-of-the-mill condenser mic we all know and love? Does it use 48v phantom power too? Does it need a preamp? Which applications would be best for the electret? Would it be better than a "normal" condenser for certain applications?

Thanks!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on October 16, 2009, 04:29:01 AM
KitC, the Ernie Baron of Philmusic, you're needed here!

I think he owns Wiki. Or Google. Oh, correction. He IS Google. Or would that be somebody else? Haha. :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alien_inside on October 16, 2009, 05:58:08 AM
KitC, the Ernie Baron of Philmusic, you're needed here!

I think he owns Wiki. Or Google. Oh, correction. He IS Google. Or would that be somebody else. Haha. :-)
true. labas ka naman minsan...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on October 16, 2009, 02:47:56 PM
Just wanna know what's the difference between an electret condenser mic and the run-of-the-mill condenser mic we all know and love?


Electrets have permanently charged backplates, hence do not require power to charge the diaphragm elements in order to produce the necessary capacitance which induces voltage variations when sound affects the diaphragm (whew! citation needed).

Does it use 48v phantom power too?

Normally no. Often, electrets will have a battery compartment in order to drive the FET buffer and a small preamp in the mic body; and often, a maximum of 9 volts is all that is required. I believe there are a few electrets that use phantom power to drive the internal preamp, but these are uncommon.

Does it need a preamp?

All mics need a preamp.

Which applications would be best for the electret? Would it be better than a "normal" condenser for certain applications?

It depends. Most electrets are usually small diaphragm condensers, and often have omni patterns making them quite sensitive. These are usually found in measurement equipment such as RTAs, SPL meters, and other acoustic analyzers. Still, you could use omnis in a variety of applications from drum ambience miking to orchestral recordings (some SDC instrument mics use electrets). Their omni patterns mean that they will capture a lot of ambient noise too, so be forewarned.

Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: mikep on October 16, 2009, 05:14:53 PM
Just wanna know what's the difference between an electret condenser mic and the run-of-the-mill condenser mic we all know and love? Does it use 48v phantom power too? Does it need a preamp? Which applications would be best for the electret? Would it be better than a "normal" condenser for certain applications?

Electret condenser are less expensive compared to the condensers.  KitC has explained the differences well, but let me just add that mics that costs thousands of dollars used in studios - those that have labels such as Neumann, AKG, Schoeps and others are all condensers that require 48V.  Applications for any type of mic will depend primarily on our creative imaginations.  But if we want crisp, clear and really pro sounding vocals (even for acoustic instruments), condenser mics are the way to go.  And as is true also in this business, you get what you pay for - cheapo mics will give you cheapo sound (although not always).

FWIW
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alvincflorentino on October 16, 2009, 10:40:11 PM
Thanks guys! I knew I could count on KitC and mikep for some in-depth analysis.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on October 17, 2009, 12:33:33 AM
Satisfying explanations from your everyday genius, and the man that packs a wallop. Haha. :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jamming_papu on October 17, 2009, 02:07:43 AM
hail to our Music Tech masters Sir KitC and mikep.  :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jed4sale on November 06, 2009, 06:52:08 PM
mga sir may tanong po ako sa mixing/mastering.

ano po ba gagawin para yung vocals hindi parang hiwalay yung tunog niya sa banda? tapos ano po ba dapat volume level ng vocals relative to the band? kasi parang nagsstick-out yung vocals e.

second question po. yung rythm at lead na gitara, dapat po ba sa magkahiwalay sila na channel lumalabas? or dapat po ba mostly sa right kunyari yung rythm (pero may onti sa left) tapos sa lead mostly sa left (na may onti sa right)?

last, bago ba i export, ano pede gawin para magdikit lahat ng tunog? ok naman na sha, pero kasi may sinasabi yung iba na may gagawin ka pa para parang pag naging mp3 na sha wav or something dikit yung tunog maliban sa ginawa mo sa mastering.

salamat po, sana matulungan niyo kami.

if it helps, pop-punk po genre namin tas yung mga kanta namin na inedit ko (na kasalukuyan pading may mga problema mentioned above)
nakapost po sa myspace account namin. www.myspace.com/quickletsgo

thanks, help us!  :?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: new_guitarist on November 30, 2009, 03:54:15 AM
how to mix and master!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on December 17, 2009, 11:10:36 PM
Front/Back Panning. How? I'm using sony acid pro 7.0
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 18, 2009, 08:25:03 AM
Front/Back Panning. How? I'm using sony acid pro 7.0

Panning is only left and right.

As for front/back positioning, that is achieved via volume, some reverb, early reflection, and very judicious eq (some reverb plugs have all of these). Think about it... what does something sound like when it's in the background? Probably a bit muted, more reverb, and not so loud, bright and bassy, di ba? It doesn't matter if you're using acid, reaper, sonar or cubase, the principles are all the same.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 18, 2009, 08:39:16 AM
mga sir may tanong po ako sa mixing/mastering.

Sorry if it took this long to answer your query... it's been a busy month.

Your question is best answered if you try enrolling in this 'school':

http://bruceamiller.us/bamaudioschool/index.html

Don't worry. It's free.

@new_guitarist - learn to mix first. The rule of thumb should be: mix a song so that it sounds like a master. Mastering is a different topic altogether because it involves integrating several different songs into an album so that it sounds like an integrated whole.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on December 28, 2009, 09:03:45 PM
Panning is only left and right.

As for front/back positioning, that is achieved via volume, some reverb, early reflection, and very judicious eq (some reverb plugs have all of these). Think about it... what does something sound like when it's in the background? Probably a bit muted, more reverb, and not so loud, bright and bassy, di ba? It doesn't matter if you're using acid, reaper, sonar or cubase, the principles are all the same.

Is a front positioned sound louder than a back positioned sound? I want  some parts of our song to sound like circulating around the head. What's the difference actually of a Front position and Back Position?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 29, 2009, 09:11:59 AM
Is a front positioned sound louder than a back positioned sound?

It's the other way around. Assuming the same sound level, how can something near you be softer than something farther away.

I want  some parts of our song to sound like circulating around the head.

Some autopan effects have this capability. The problem is that simulation of front and back positioning introduces phasing which can cause problems when summing to mono.

What's the difference actually of a Front position and Back Position?

Perceived nearness to the listener's position. In stereo, it's what you think as being near to your position whereas the 'back' is defined being the backstage, not to YOUR back. Don't confuse stereo listening to 5.1 surround, which is a whole different way of mixing. There are ways to project sound, usually via Dolby Surround, to your back when using stereo monitors, but like I said earlier, this introduces phase issues which can affect mono compatibility of your mixes. Normally, when some dvd albums have 5.1 mixes, they also have a stereo only mix for playback on stereo only systems.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on December 29, 2009, 10:30:31 AM
Thanks Sir.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on January 06, 2010, 04:36:41 PM
ayun alam ko na. may option pala sa acid kung stereo or surround.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on January 11, 2010, 03:44:29 PM
Sir ano po ang requirements para makapag-apply as Recording Engineer sa isang Studio?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on January 11, 2010, 04:10:07 PM
Sir ano po ang requirements para makapag-apply as Recording Engineer sa isang Studio?

Very good ears. And very good connections.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: mikep on January 12, 2010, 03:49:00 PM
It also helps if you have some technical knowledge, especially in electronics; a keen attention to detail; very creative and has some musical knowledge.  It will be good if you play an instrument and consider music and recording your passion.

FWIW
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on January 13, 2010, 04:43:22 PM
Noobie question: Anong pagkakaiba ng GAIN sa VOLUME? bakit yung ibang amplifier walang volume knob pero gain meron, tapos meron ding present yung Gain at Volume knob?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on January 20, 2010, 11:06:55 AM
Noobie question: Anong pagkakaiba ng GAIN sa VOLUME? bakit yung ibang amplifier walang volume knob pero gain meron, tapos meron ding present yung Gain at Volume knob?

Best to think of gain as how much signal is going in the input, while volume is more on outputs.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on January 23, 2010, 04:24:05 AM
hello! im back and i have a question.  :lol:

Ive read somewhere that instruments/tracks should have their own frequencies and not bleed over each other. I have tried to achieve this by panning or distributing each instrument in a simulated 3d sorround, but i guess im just doing things wrong. My mixes sound very very muddy. Though i guess i lessen it by panning. Ive done amateur recording for almost a year now and this is one that i couldnt learn on my own, I tried searching the web how to do this but all i get are general tips. Could anyone tell me how i could learn to make sure that each instrument is in its own frequency?, or if not how can i fix it?

Also, is there anyway i can fix a clip in a vocal track? I cant seem to fix it by compression.

Here's a sample of my AMATEUR mix. If its possible please TELL me the ALL the things that are wrong with it.   :-D i need it:

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8652080
 (http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8652080)

Id appreciate any response! thanks!  :lol:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: abyssinianson on January 23, 2010, 06:59:46 AM
hello! im back and i have a question.  :lol:

Ive read somewhere that instruments/tracks should have their own frequencies and not bleed over each other. I have tried to achieve this by panning or distributing each instrument in a simulated 3d sorround, but i guess im just doing things wrong. My mixes sound very very muddy. Though i guess i lessen it by panning. Ive done amateur recording for almost a year now and this is one that i couldnt learn on my own, I tried searching the web how to do this but all i get are general tips. Could anyone tell me how i could learn to make sure that each instrument is in its own frequency?, or if not how can i fix it?

Also, is there anyway i can fix a clip in a vocal track? I cant seem to fix it by compression.

Here's a sample of my AMATEUR mix. If its possible please TELL me the ALL the things that are wrong with it.   :-D i need it:

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8652080
 (http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8652080)

Id appreciate any response! thanks!  :lol:
i am away from my studio so all i have are my laptop speakers but this is what I can gather from the clip:

-vocals has a lot of gain, maybe too much. sounds like the gain on the pre is too high or the gain is low but the vocalist is really close to the mic. an overdriven sound may be used to great effect but the vox for this one is a bit too grainy, sits too far up front and would benefit from taking the edge off its top end.
-the clip has a nice grungy garage vibe but the excess sound from the amp and vox could use some cleaning up.

panning can't make a set of tracks sit in the mix all by itself, you have to apply to EQ each instrument so you accentuate what inherent frequency a given instrument is particularly good at representing. ie. if you have a bass guitar in the mix, don't crank up the bass on the guitar or give the drum buss an overwhelming bass boost - cut it some to leave room for the bass so it can cut through all the other instruments better. when you pan without applying EQ, you are merely shifting an instrument's "place" rather than molding its sound to complement the sound of the rest of the instruments being played. all that said, EQing should be used sparingly - a good recording isn't judged by how much one has to apply EQ to massage tracks to sit well; if you put in the work to record well in the first place, you shouldn't have to put in too much work to nudge instruments to sound well as a coherent mix. the reason why you primarily get general tips online is because a specific set of frequency adjustments isn't set for ALL guitars, ALL basses or ALL vocalists...all require a bit of analysis to determine what you are getting too much (or too little) and what you need to do to make it more balanced. for instance, I were to tell you to apply a high pass filter to a vocalist who happens to be a tenor or a baritone, you'd be doing the wrong thing because the guy'd end up sounding like he had his cajones lopped off; you want to do the right thing for a given track which in this case is to naturally represent the tone, pitch and bass of the vocalist.

telling you what is wrong with a track, IMO, isn't the most efficient way to tackle recording methodology to improve it. you'd have to go back earlier and analyze how you recorded your instruments, what settings you used, how you arranged the mics, how your vocalist sang and whether they used proper mic technique. putting in the work there cuts down on having to fix so many things when you sit down to mix a track because you end up producing cleaner, better recordings to work with afterwards.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on January 23, 2010, 08:01:26 AM
i am away from my studio so all i have are my laptop speakers but this is what I can gather from the clip:

-vocals has a lot of gain, maybe too much. sounds like the gain on the pre is too high or the gain is low but the vocalist is really close to the mic. an overdriven sound may be used to great effect but the vox for this one is a bit too grainy, sits too far up front and would benefit from taking the edge off its top end.
-the clip has a nice grungy garage vibe but the excess sound from the amp and vox could use some cleaning up.

panning can't make a set of tracks sit in the mix all by itself, you have to apply to EQ each instrument so you accentuate what inherent frequency a given instrument is particularly good at representing. ie. if you have a bass guitar in the mix, don't crank up the bass on the guitar or give the drum buss an overwhelming bass boost - cut it some to leave room for the bass so it can cut through all the other instruments better. when you pan without applying EQ, you are merely shifting an instrument's "place" rather than molding its sound to complement the sound of the rest of the instruments being played. all that said, EQing should be used sparingly - a good recording isn't judged by how much one has to apply EQ to massage tracks to sit well; if you put in the work to record well in the first place, you shouldn't have to put in too much work to nudge instruments to sound well as a coherent mix. the reason why you primarily get general tips online is because a specific set of frequency adjustments isn't set for ALL guitars, ALL basses or ALL vocalists...all require a bit of analysis to determine what you are getting too much (or too little) and what you need to do to make it more balanced. for instance, I were to tell you to apply a high pass filter to a vocalist who happens to be a tenor or a baritone, you'd be doing the wrong thing because the guy'd end up sounding like he had his cajones lopped off; you want to do the right thing for a given track which in this case is to naturally represent the tone, pitch and bass of the vocalist.

telling you what is wrong with a track, IMO, isn't the most efficient way to tackle recording methodology to improve it. you'd have to go back earlier and analyze how you recorded your instruments, what settings you used, how you arranged the mics, how your vocalist sang and whether they used proper mic technique. putting in the work there cuts down on having to fix so many things when you sit down to mix a track because you end up producing cleaner, better recordings to work with afterwards.


thank you for the response.  :-) i see. I really need to learn how to EQ well then. any tips?  :lol:

with the song above, here are the GADGETS that i have used: a headset microphone, thus the nasally sound and the sudden clips at the track. As for the guitar, mine went directly into my laptop and i used guitar rig for its effects.

Im still getting confused though on how i could carefully place/keep each instrument in its frequency, are there any rules that, say, a guitar should be kept within 4k and 16k? if yes, how do i do that - is EQing the answer? how about vocals should it sit between 500k and 1k? things like that.

(http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp3/jabezaranez/1-4.jpg)

"Frequency Placement

The human ear can hear between 20hz (low) to 20khz (high) illustrated in the diagram shown above. Now we know the frequency limit in which we have to span our instruments across, anything outside of this should be eliminated with an equalizer. Proper frequency placement is done by proper equing and instrument selection. In the song each instrument should cover a different span of frequencies and peak at varied frequencies. When mixes are done right each instrument occupies its own frequency space without overlaying too much on another sound, and that no peaks are canceling each other out or causing severe muddying within a mix."


Sentence in bold confuses me.  :roll:

I read about frequency placement in here, you guys might want to check it out.

http://www.canadianmusicartists.com/mixdown.html (http://www.canadianmusicartists.com/mixdown.html)


Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: abyssinianson on January 23, 2010, 11:48:41 AM
thank you for the response.  :-) i see. I really need to learn how to EQ well then. any tips?  :lol:

Im still getting confused though on how i could carefully place/keep each instrument in its frequency, are there any rules that, say, a guitar should be kept within 4k and 16k? if yes, how do i do that - is EQing the answer? how about vocals should it sit between 500k and 1k? things like that.


-yes, you need to know how to apply EQ - sparingly.
-tips? read a lot of books about the subject - anything about recording, the recording chain and mixing methods. if you have any local seminars, attend them.
-essentially, yes, the frequency ranges are a good starting point but NOT an absolute rule because, like I said, how you EQ is all relative to what you've got...if you recorded a vocal and it ended up being too boomy then you don't want to apply too much bass in the lower end of the freq range. the best way I can tell you to tackle this is for you to rad, process the knowledge and apply them to see what they sound like. I can rant all day about EQ dos and don'ts but in the end, what I do is still LARGELY dependent on hearing the raw recording first.
-complement your reading by experimentation and application....all audio engineering courses I ever took were complemented by spending time in a control room twice as long for study time to get a good context of what the text had to say about a topic.

as far as the gadgets go, for fun, the headset mic is fine but if you want to get a little bit serious about producing a decent track, the headset mic has got to go. folks have mentioned this before on the forum that if you want to derive quality from something, you have to put quality stuff into use....you can't polish up a track if decent gear wasn't used to record it in the first place.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bellhaus on January 23, 2010, 01:39:29 PM

Also, is there anyway i can fix a clip in a vocal track? I cant seem to fix it by compression.

Here's a sample of my AMATEUR mix. If its possible please TELL me the ALL the things that are wrong with it.   :-D i need it:

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8652080
 (http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8652080)

Id appreciate any response! thanks!  :lol:

pa email ng vox track yung dry lang walang compression. kaya kong tanggalin yung pop/click sa intro.
noniemartinez@yahoo.com
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on January 23, 2010, 08:12:11 PM
pa email ng vox track yung dry lang walang compression. kaya kong tanggalin yung pop/click sa intro.
noniemartinez@yahoo.com

haha its ok bro. was just having fun lang naman hehe.

@ abyssinianson

thank you very much for the response. I just realized how EQing is very important - and i guess i have to train my ear harder. I do agree that if i want to go at least have some decent recordings that i should dispose the headset mic. haha i understadn the garbage in = garbage out theory.  :lol:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Elyenman on January 24, 2010, 12:59:52 AM
mga sir may tanong po ako sa mixing/mastering.

ano po ba gagawin para yung vocals hindi parang hiwalay yung tunog niya sa banda? tapos ano po ba dapat volume level ng vocals relative to the band? kasi parang nagsstick-out yung vocals e.

second question po. yung rythm at lead na gitara, dapat po ba sa magkahiwalay sila na channel lumalabas? or dapat po ba mostly sa right kunyari yung rythm (pero may onti sa left) tapos sa lead mostly sa left (na may onti sa right)?

last, bago ba i export, ano pede gawin para magdikit lahat ng tunog? ok naman na sha, pero kasi may sinasabi yung iba na may gagawin ka pa para parang pag naging mp3 na sha wav or something dikit yung tunog maliban sa ginawa mo sa mastering.

salamat po, sana matulungan niyo kami.

if it helps, pop-punk po genre namin tas yung mga kanta namin na inedit ko (na kasalukuyan pading may mga problema mentioned above)
nakapost po sa myspace account namin. www.myspace.com/quickletsgo

thanks, help us!  :?

gamitan mo ng headphones para mas rinig mo 'yung blending tapos after icheck mo ng nakaspeakers after para rinig mo 'yung kelangan mo iadjust, minsan pag dumadami tracks tingin ko e nasasapawan 'yung vox sa mixing pero pag masyado namang nalalagyan ng effects, ex. reverb, yung boses e masyadong nagiging lutang (hiwalay sa instruments), yun bale yung binabalanse ko. Kung minsan naman, kung hindi talaga swak sa tunog ng kanta yung higs or lows nung vocalist e iniEQ ko, onting timpla lang para dumikit. Tapos siyempre, autotune :-) kung kulang pa. Pero sa iba common ritual na yun. tedious talaga pero kaya naman. sanayan lang naman din.

tama yung sinabi mo sa gitara, pero dapat hindi masyado yung tamang nahihiwalay mo dapat sila. para nadidistinguish mo yung lead at yung rythms. Pero sa natry ko hindi naman ata necessarily ihihiwalay mo sila parati, just go with what your gut feels right, oks na. Iba pa rin kasi pag okey sa tenga mo e.

bago ako magexport tintry ko sya pareho sa headphones at sa speakers para makita ko yung final output, dinodobol check ko yung lakas nung buo, tapos pag nagrered edi babawasan ko para hindi pumuputok.... hmm... ano pa ba... papakinggan ko nga pala ulit yung blending, kasi ang rule ko is dapat malinaw ng instrumento, yung tipong pag tinenga mo mahihiwalay mo isaisa, vox, drums, ganun pero pag di mo pinansin maghahalo na lang sila, which I think is tama naman.  :-) :-)

ayun, just my two cents, hope I helped
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alvincflorentino on January 28, 2010, 08:08:30 AM
thank you for the response.  :-) i see. I really need to learn how to EQ well then. any tips?  :lol:

with the song above, here are the GADGETS that i have used: a headset microphone, thus the nasally sound and the sudden clips at the track. As for the guitar, mine went directly into my laptop and i used guitar rig for its effects.

Im still getting confused though on how i could carefully place/keep each instrument in its frequency, are there any rules that, say, a guitar should be kept within 4k and 16k? if yes, how do i do that - is EQing the answer? how about vocals should it sit between 500k and 1k? things like that.

(http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp3/jabezaranez/1-4.jpg)

"Frequency Placement

The human ear can hear between 20hz (low) to 20khz (high) illustrated in the diagram shown above. Now we know the frequency limit in which we have to span our instruments across, anything outside of this should be eliminated with an equalizer. Proper frequency placement is done by proper equing and instrument selection. In the song each instrument should cover a different span of frequencies and peak at varied frequencies. When mixes are done right each instrument occupies its own frequency space without overlaying too much on another sound, and that no peaks are canceling each other out or causing severe muddying within a mix."


Sentence in bold confuses me.  :roll:

I read about frequency placement in here, you guys might want to check it out.

http://www.canadianmusicartists.com/mixdown.html (http://www.canadianmusicartists.com/mixdown.html)




First of all, that song has great potential. While I was listening I was imagining it being recorded and mixed "properly" and that put a smile on my face. Love the grunge feel; keep that on the final mix.

Actually, I'm an amateur too but I do know a good recording/mix when I hear one. Having said that, yes, the mix isn't what's wrong with this. Or rather, it's not only the mix but the recording itself. Throw that headphone mic away THIS INSTANT! At the very least, don't use it for recording unless this is the sound you're after. It's been said time and time again: garbage in, garbage out. People WILL hear the difference (although less and less are minding it nowadays what with the advent of mp3's, but that's another subject for another day).  Buy yourself even a "basic" dynamic mic (SM58), a decent audio interface/recorder and you're good to go. These will greatly improve the "sound" being recorded and maybe diminish unwanted ones--loud noise floor before the guitar kicks in--although there are other tricks for this.

(http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/22918134)

Here's a frequency chart I copied from some website or other--can't remember now--that might help you understand frequencies. (Don't blame me if the pic doesn't appear. I was only told to follow the example from this link: http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,29397.0.html). Mind you, I have no training in recording/engineering so I had to figure this out myself, just like you'll probably do also. Study it carefully; it's not the do all and be all of study material but I really hope it helps. On the surface, the frequencies (columns or x-axis) of different instruments/voices (rows or y-axis) must not overlap with each other or else the sound may become "muddy" or indistinct. For example, you may want to accentuate the 50-60Hz band when EQing your kick and boosting the 80-100Hz band when EQing your bass so that they don't share certain frequency ranges and become cluttered. For guitar, you may want to bring up the 600Hz to 1kHz band. As long as the great majority of an instrument/voice doesn't overlap with another, then each instrument will become more distinct. Mind you, these examples are just that: EXAMPLES, just so you can picture the process. Although being an amateur, I'm not even sure if that's the proper way to explain it, but I hope I'm in the ball park. Anyone?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alvincflorentino on January 28, 2010, 08:15:29 AM
Darn! I knew that picture wouldn't show up! And I only followed instructions from http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,29397.0.html. Yes, I used picturetrail and copied the link properly using the required syntax and No, I didn't use 50x50 as the size of the pic (of course, that was only an example from the link) 'cuz it ended up too small. So, what to do guys?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on January 28, 2010, 10:01:34 AM
Show me the link and I'll post it.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alvincflorentino on January 28, 2010, 02:27:40 PM
Here's the link, sir: http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/22918134. And while you're at it, please give me instructions on how to attach pics/links myself using the step-by-step for dummies version. I really did what the link said but it didn't work...honest! Sorry for having to have you do this but I've no one else to turn to. Thank you much!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on January 28, 2010, 02:54:37 PM
Right click on the image in picturetrail and choose 'copy image location'

In PM, when you reply, click on the pictureframe button below the bold ("B") button. Paste the image you copied in between the image brackets, and voila!

(http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2191/12879787/22918134/381747089.jpg)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on January 29, 2010, 03:52:14 PM
First of all, that song has great potential. While I was listening I was imagining it being recorded and mixed "properly" and that put a smile on my face. Love the grunge feel; keep that on the final mix.

Actually, I'm an amateur too but I do know a good recording/mix when I hear one. Having said that, yes, the mix isn't what's wrong with this. Or rather, it's not only the mix but the recording itself. Throw that headphone mic away THIS INSTANT! At the very least, don't use it for recording unless this is the sound you're after. It's been said time and time again: garbage in, garbage out. People WILL hear the difference (although less and less are minding it nowadays what with the advent of mp3's, but that's another subject for another day).  Buy yourself even a "basic" dynamic mic (SM58), a decent audio interface/recorder and you're good to go. These will greatly improve the "sound" being recorded and maybe diminish unwanted ones--loud noise floor before the guitar kicks in--although there are other tricks for this.

Here's a frequency chart I copied from some website or other--can't remember now--that might help you understand frequencies. (Don't blame me if the pic doesn't appear. I was only told to follow the example from this link: http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,29397.0.html). Mind you, I have no training in recording/engineering so I had to figure this out myself, just like you'll probably do also. Study it carefully; it's not the do all and be all of study material but I really hope it helps. On the surface, the frequencies (columns or x-axis) of different instruments/voices (rows or y-axis) must not overlap with each other or else the sound may become "muddy" or indistinct. For example, you may want to accentuate the 50-60Hz band when EQing your kick and boosting the 80-100Hz band when EQing your bass so that they don't share certain frequency ranges and become cluttered. For guitar, you may want to bring up the 600Hz to 1kHz band. As long as the great majority of an instrument/voice doesn't overlap with another, then each instrument will become more distinct. Mind you, these examples are just that: EXAMPLES, just so you can picture the process. Although being an amateur, I'm not even sure if that's the proper way to explain it, but I hope I'm in the ball park. Anyone?


Exactly! thank you so much for this information! haha the picture realllly helped me understand better!  :lol:  thank you for appreciating the song and its potential. I couldnt agree more with everyone in here saying that i should get at least an entry level microphone - AND AN INTERFACE! whew.

thanks everyone! for helping me understand. =)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alvincflorentino on January 30, 2010, 08:03:31 AM
Thanks, Kit C, and you're welcome, progressive P!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sinosimelo on January 30, 2010, 10:25:04 PM
where do i start recording???? im a one-man band...

wait let me rephrase that,

lets say i have all the equipments,

HOW do i start? i sometimes go off beat when playing one instrument (usually the first instrument to be recorded)

thats a noob question, please dont flame me. thanks!  :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on January 31, 2010, 12:01:49 PM
Use a metronome.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: pmack on February 01, 2010, 04:21:27 PM
pasingit lang po ng question. how high should studio monitors be in terms of mounting them?
dapat ba ear level ng sitting position in front of the pc? higher? lower? on that note, how far naman from my ears should they be?
i'm using 8" near fields.
thanks in advance.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sinosimelo on February 02, 2010, 12:00:28 AM
Use a metronome.

sir nahihirapan po ako sa metronome... kasi yung mga songs ko may different levels ng speed depende sa part... kaya nakakalito  :?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: turiguiliano on February 02, 2010, 12:30:16 AM
sir nahihirapan po ako sa metronome... kasi yung mga songs ko may different levels ng speed depende sa part... kaya nakakalito  :?

There are basics for that. Using a metronome greatly helps you with songs that have different speeds and levels as well.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: mikep on February 02, 2010, 12:35:46 AM
pasingit lang po ng question. how high should studio monitors be in terms of mounting them?
dapat ba ear level ng sitting position in front of the pc? higher? lower? on that note, how far naman from my ears should they be?
i'm using 8" near fields.
thanks in advance.

It depends, but normally, the speaker's high compression drivers or tweeters should be hitting your ears straight on at SITTING POSITION.  That should be around 1.2 to 1.4 METERS.  I normally put my monitor's tweeter about 6 inches higher than ear level so there tends to be a little roll off on the high frequencies which I compensate in my eq use in mixing.  It's your choice - whatever you are comfortable in.

The distance between the speakers and yourself should be an equilateral triangle.  If the seakers are 8 feet apart, the left speaker should be 8 feet away from your left ear and vice versa.

FWIW
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: pmack on February 02, 2010, 01:09:32 PM
It depends, but normally, the speaker's high compression drivers or tweeters should be hitting your ears straight on at SITTING POSITION.  That should be around 1.2 to 1.4 METERS.  I normally put my monitor's tweeter about 6 inches higher than ear level so there tends to be a little roll off on the high frequencies which I compensate in my eq use in mixing.  It's your choice - whatever you are comfortable in.

The distance between the speakers and yourself should be an equilateral triangle.  If the seakers are 8 feet apart, the left speaker should be 8 feet away from your left ear and vice versa.

FWIW

thanks for the input sir Mike. vey much appreciated...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: palaka on February 03, 2010, 12:17:28 AM
mga sir tanung lang po pwede po bang sabay gamitin yung usb interface at firewire interface?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 03, 2010, 04:28:21 PM
mga sir tanung lang po pwede po bang sabay gamitin yung usb interface at firewire interface?

If using asio drivers, no. You can only access one device at a time with asio.

In theory, you can access both simultaneously using WDM but you will have to find a way to sync the 2 devices digitally, often by using their unused spdif i/o, if they have any.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sci-n-tfik on February 03, 2010, 11:16:40 PM
bossing help! what gadget can i use for recording simultaneously at least 8 tracks, nakakatamad kce mag recording ng isa isa.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 04, 2010, 10:56:56 AM
bossing help! what gadget can i use for recording simultaneously at least 8 tracks, nakakatamad kce mag recording ng isa isa.

Either this (http://www.jbmusic.com.ph/products/i/72):

(http://www.jbmusic.com.ph/images/products/M_audio/fasttrackultra_8r.jpg)

or this (http://www.jbmusic.com.ph/products/i/315):

(http://www.jbmusic.com.ph/images/products/Focusrite/saffire_pro_40.jpg)

or M-audio NRV10 (http://www.jbmusic.com.ph/products/i/176).

Just inquire with JB (Philmusic and the moderators are not affiliated with them, btw).
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sci-n-tfik on February 04, 2010, 06:21:10 PM
thanks! big help
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: ceL on February 05, 2010, 10:43:43 AM
Either this (http://www.jbmusic.com.ph/products/i/72):

(http://www.jbmusic.com.ph/images/products/M_audio/fasttrackultra_8r.jpg)

or this (http://www.jbmusic.com.ph/products/i/315):

(http://www.jbmusic.com.ph/images/products/Focusrite/saffire_pro_40.jpg)

or M-audio NRV10 (http://www.jbmusic.com.ph/products/i/176).

Just inquire with JB (Philmusic and the moderators are not affiliated with them, btw).


meron po bang ganitong systema pero mixer sya..  :?

and ano po magandang unang bilhin mixer, fast tarck, or condenser mic? ung pwde na sana mag record ng maayos..

meron na po pc..  :-D


SALAMAT!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 05, 2010, 12:21:08 PM
You should have clicked on the NRV10 link (that's why they're blue)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sinosimelo on February 05, 2010, 11:40:58 PM
pano po ba binubuo ng mga pro yung mga recordings nila..? wala akong idea eh  :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sci-n-tfik on February 06, 2010, 12:53:46 AM
madali lng naman ang basic recording, all you need is a mixer, a pc and software like adobe audition,
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 07, 2010, 11:43:50 AM
pano po ba binubuo ng mga pro yung mga recordings nila..? wala akong idea eh  :-)

Depends... some solo artists hire session artists and they go into a studio and record at the same time. other soloists use midi arrangements. bands can track simultaneously, or they can track individually as long as they have a guide track.

If you're a soloist, learn to play to a metronome. Believe me, this is where most beginners fail. If you know of anyone who will be recording a song, why not tag along and see the process in action. It's usually an eye opener for most.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: lowriderthug on February 08, 2010, 11:35:47 PM

+1

play with metronome :)

Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Mr.Floyd on February 15, 2010, 07:01:11 PM
sir what's the purpose of spdif in out?and anong equipment ang need para dun?mahalaga b sya for recording?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bellhaus on February 16, 2010, 12:38:57 AM
input output din sya pero stereo, and nakaka basa sya ng word clock para sa mga digital gears.

ex1: wordclock (apodee big ben) generator spdif out to audio interface spdif in (m-audio fast track pro) to digital cd or dvd audio recorder (tascam, HHB) spdif in. Master ang big ben, than slave yung audio interface and cd or dvd audio recorder.

ex2: audio interface spdif out to digital pre-amp (ssl vhd pre) spdif input to balik ulit sa audio interface. Master clock yung audio interface, slave naman yung digital pre-amp.

ex3: digital pre-amp to audio interface. Master yung pre-amp, slave yung audio interface.

Bakit and para saan ito? sync of digital gear 16bit 44.1khz, 24bit 44.1khz, 24bit 48khz, up to 24bit 192khz resolution.


cd has 16bit 44.1khz
dvd audio has 24bit 48khz
not sure pa bluRay audio

Ito na! SPDIF is an digital audio in/out, Using Stereo LR, gamit din pang sync ng digital gears.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on March 09, 2010, 03:44:39 PM
Noob question again:
Hindi na ba kailangan ng magandang sound card kung may audio interface?
(is my question correct?  :lol:)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xaero on March 09, 2010, 09:52:05 PM
Di ko sure kung dito dapat itanong ito, pasensya na. Meron po bang school/s dito sa Manila na nag-ooffer ng courses in audio/sound engineering? Salamat
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sinosimelo on March 09, 2010, 10:39:08 PM
Di ko sure kung dito dapat itanong ito, pasensya na. Meron po bang school/s dito sa Manila na nag-ooffer ng courses in audio/sound engineering? Salamat

oo nga... hehehe... astig siguro yan... para nasa line na tayo ng music kung sakali!  :-D meron kayang short course? tipong 1-2 years?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on March 10, 2010, 09:19:35 AM
Meron po bang school/s dito sa Manila na nag-ooffer ng courses in audio/sound engineering? Salamat

College of St. Benilde is offering a course in music production. They are Pro Tools equipped and certified I believe.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on March 10, 2010, 11:11:31 PM
Noob question again:
Hindi na ba kailangan ng magandang sound card kung may audio interface?
(is my question correct?  :lol:)
bump my question.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bellhaus on March 11, 2010, 05:42:21 AM
bump my question.
yes
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on March 11, 2010, 09:44:24 AM
The audio interface IS the soundcard. The term soundcard is a holdout  from the days of yore when you had to physically install an audio card inside the pc case in order to have audio - at that time, pc's did NOT normally come with any audio capability and you had to install a soundcard (usually a 'blaster) into a free expansion port. Nowadays, motherboards come standard with onboard audio.

The definition of an audio interface is a device that:

a) converts digital data into analog or digital audio that can be amplified or translated by another digital audio device. The former means that the interface outputs electrical audio impulses that can be put through an amp to be heard through headphones, speakers and other PA systems. The latter, digital audio, is a format of audio that requires further conversion from digital to analog so that it can be amplified. While digital audio is still data, it is a different protocol from that of .mp3, .wav, or .aif files. You need an interface that converts these files into audio.

b) converts analog audio into digital data that your computer can process. In the old analog days, you could consider preamps and their associated circuitry as interfaces when recording into tape, for example. These preamps and recorders would convert analog audio into electrical impulses which would be converted to magnetic energy to be 'imprinted' onto a strip of iron oxide impregnated strip of plastic which we called 'tape'. Nowadays, we record to hard disk or SD cards; the media may have changed but the principle is the same.

Therefore, a soundcard IS an audio interface. The USB or firewire soundcard IS an audio interface, the only difference being that they are external interfaces compared to an internally installed soundcard. Any device that allows a computer to interact with audio becomes an interface... even a USB mic can be considered an interface by virtue of definition, although it is strictly an input only device - except in some models that include audio output for monitoring purposes. (What?! a mic with an output? Try googling the sE usb mics.)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bellhaus on March 11, 2010, 09:06:47 PM
yep tama si sir kit!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: axebass26 on March 12, 2010, 04:44:38 PM
are there metronome software existing that you can program? like this time signature for the intro then it changes to another time signature for the verse and so on and so forth... can't find any in google... or i just don't know how to tweak my software? like "reaper" or "reason"

BTW... we are not pro sound engineers but we (me and my bandmates) want to learn so we can record good demos for ourselves...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bellhaus on March 12, 2010, 07:20:58 PM
are there metronome software existing that you can program? like this time signature for the intro then it changes to another time signature for the verse and so on and so forth... can't find any in google... or i just don't know how to tweak my software? like "reaper" or "reason"

BTW... we are not pro sound engineers but we (me and my bandmates) want to learn so we can record good demos for ourselves...

nuendo sir or cubase
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on March 13, 2010, 12:43:29 PM
are there metronome software existing that you can program? like this time signature for the intro then it changes to another time signature for the verse and so on and so forth... can't find any in google... or i just don't know how to tweak my software? like "reaper" or "reason"

BTW... we are not pro sound engineers but we (me and my bandmates) want to learn so we can record good demos for ourselves...

Ang gamit ko Sony Acid tapos may tempo/time signature change marker option dun.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: axebass26 on March 13, 2010, 01:21:16 PM
meron din kaya sa vegas?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sinosimelo on March 13, 2010, 08:12:19 PM
sana di OT... pero ano kaya maganda gamitin na "drum machine" yung tipong ikaw mag seset ng tempo, tapos pati yung mga fills ikaw din gagawa... may narinig kasi ako na composition dito sa PM... may kumakanta, guitars.. tapos may drums, alam ko na software lang yun... kaso wla akong idea kung ano yun, at pano gawin? 
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on March 13, 2010, 11:55:10 PM
^ EZdrummer or Addictive Drums

mas maganda saakin ung Addictive Drums. Medyo Realistic yung tunog.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sinosimelo on March 13, 2010, 11:56:40 PM
^ EZdrummer or Addictive Drums

mas maganda saakin ung Addictive Drums. Medyo Realistic yung tunog.


okay thanks... bumili po kayo ng software? o download lang sa naka-kalat sa interwebs?  :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on March 14, 2010, 12:30:53 AM
secret.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on March 14, 2010, 08:57:54 AM
Hmmm... I can see boxes of EZDrummer and Addictive Drums is Marvin's office... and that's not counting the other boxes of NI samples, Cubase 5, Logic Pro...

Seriously, if you don't know how to find these things, don't ask them here. I know where to find them, but to download them? You would spend a lifetime on dialup.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: wratharrow on March 24, 2010, 12:14:29 PM
what's a good audio interface that can record 16 or more channels simultaneously? or would most PTools interfaces require ADAT expansions to get more channel inputs?

and as a side question, for multichannel simultaneous recording, is a big mixer console really required for recording and mastering?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on March 24, 2010, 02:33:53 PM
Hmmm... I can see boxes of EZDrummer and Addictive Drums is Marvin's office... and that's not counting the other boxes of NI samples, Cubase 5, Logic Pro...

Seriously, if you don't know how to find these things, don't ask them here. I know where to find them, but to download them? You would spend a lifetime on dialup.

Actually, you might be referring to BFD2 and practically all of its expansions. Gerard uses EZdrummer. Eastwest has really good drumkits in its Ministry of Rock Library. I have that too. ;-P
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on March 24, 2010, 06:02:48 PM
what's a good audio interface that can record 16 or more channels simultaneously? or would most PTools interfaces require ADAT expansions to get more channel inputs?

Most 'prosumer' interfaces give you 2-, 4-, 6-, or 8 analog inputs with the more expensive ones offering up to 8 mic preamps. While they may state that their channel inputs can reach 16 or more channels, it's usually the cased that the analog channels are augmented by 2- or 8-channel digital inputs which require spdif/AES-EBU or ADAT interfaces. It's rare that you will find interfaces with more than 8 mic preamps, but most firewire interfaces from the same manufacturer (RME or Focusrite, for instance) allow you to 'stack' them so you could have more I/O.

Some of the Protools LE (003 and 003 rack) and M-audio interfaces accept ADAT I/O, but the Mbox does not have ADAT I/O.

and as a side question, for multichannel simultaneous recording, is a big mixer console really required for recording and mastering?

Yes and no. It depends really on how many channels you need to record. Mixers can serve as summing busses if your interface only accepts 8 analog input channels. You also get routing flexibility when you have a mixer, but you lose out on automation unless you use something like an O2R or O3D. The Protools Control 24/C24 allows up to 16 mic preamps and acts as a control surface at the same time.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on March 24, 2010, 06:47:27 PM
@Kitc - Well, can you use a 2408 without the PCI card? ;-P
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on March 25, 2010, 09:58:09 AM
@Kitc - Well, can you use a 2408 without the PCI card? ;-P

I've seen one plugged straight into a mac's firewire port.

Go figure.

Oh wait! We already figured that one out.  :lol:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on March 25, 2010, 04:49:03 PM
Coolness!!!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: palaka on March 26, 2010, 03:29:30 AM
mga sir panu po mag dagdag ng plug-in sa studio one?salamat po
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: wratharrow on March 26, 2010, 04:01:29 PM
Most 'prosumer' interfaces give you 2-, 4-, 6-, or 8 analog inputs with the more expensive ones offering up to 8 mic preamps. While they may state that their channel inputs can reach 16 or more channels, it's usually the cased that the analog channels are augmented by 2- or 8-channel digital inputs which require spdif/AES-EBU or ADAT interfaces. It's rare that you will find interfaces with more than 8 mic preamps, but most firewire interfaces from the same manufacturer (RME or Focusrite, for instance) allow you to 'stack' them so you could have more I/O.

Some of the Protools LE (003 and 003 rack) and M-audio interfaces accept ADAT I/O, but the Mbox does not have ADAT I/O.

Yes and no. It depends really on how many channels you need to record. Mixers can serve as summing busses if your interface only accepts 8 analog input channels. You also get routing flexibility when you have a mixer, but you lose out on automation unless you use something like an O2R or O3D. The Protools Control 24/C24 allows up to 16 mic preamps and acts as a control surface at the same time.







awesome! thanks for that!
now just to totally stray away from the interface topic, may i ask if it's possible to maximize a 4.5x5 Meter room for recording ,say, a full band?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: RazrX on March 27, 2010, 03:21:52 PM
Hello! I'm a Newbie with a question.  :-D
How to set up a Compressor? Eto yung plano kong setup kasi,,

D.A.W. --->  Profire 2626 ---------------> 8 Mics for Drums (1x Bass, 2x Snare, 3x Toms, 1x Hi Hat 1x Ride)
                  Behringer ADA 8000 -------->  2 Mics for Drum Overheads, 2x Guitar, 1x Bass, 1x Voice

Noob pa ako sa pag setup ng requirements for recording. Tapos may nag suggest sa akin na kung may Pre Amp na, ang next is Compressor. Kanina ko lang inalam yung purpose nun. Lahat ba ng Mic Inputs lalagyan nun? Diba iba ibang Compressor din ang ginagamit para sa iba't ibang instruments?

La pa din naman ako Behringer ADA8000. Kasi magsstart pa lang ako pag Aralan ang systema sa recording. Plan ko muna magstart sa Profire 2626 kasi eventually, matutunan ko din naman malaman kung ano ang nag La-lack sa recording. Kaya I-aAcquire ko yung mga equipment one by one depende kung ano yung kelangan.  :wink:

May nabasa lang kasi ako na yung Compressor, nakakatulong din sa pag-Ingat sa equipment. Di daw kasi abrupt ang pag pasok ng signal. Kung totoo nga yun at kelangan, anong Compressor para sa Setup ko sa taas? Thanks in advance..  :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bellhaus on March 28, 2010, 12:22:04 PM
Hello! I'm a Newbie with a question.  :-D
How to set up a Compressor? Eto yung plano kong setup kasi,,

D.A.W. --->  Profire 2626 ---------------> 8 Mics for Drums (1x Bass, 2x Snare, 3x Toms, 1x Hi Hat 1x Ride)
                  Behringer ADA 8000 -------->  2 Mics for Drum Overheads, 2x Guitar, 1x Bass, 1x Voice

Noob pa ako sa pag setup ng requirements for recording. Tapos may nag suggest sa akin na kung may Pre Amp na, ang next is Compressor. Kanina ko lang inalam yung purpose nun. Lahat ba ng Mic Inputs lalagyan nun? Diba iba ibang Compressor din ang ginagamit para sa iba't ibang instruments?

La pa din naman ako Behringer ADA8000. Kasi magsstart pa lang ako pag Aralan ang systema sa recording. Plan ko muna magstart sa Profire 2626 kasi eventually, matutunan ko din naman malaman kung ano ang nag La-lack sa recording. Kaya I-aAcquire ko yung mga equipment one by one depende kung ano yung kelangan.  :wink:

May nabasa lang kasi ako na yung Compressor, nakakatulong din sa pag-Ingat sa equipment. Di daw kasi abrupt ang pag pasok ng signal. Kung totoo nga yun at kelangan, anong Compressor para sa Setup ko sa taas? Thanks in advance..  :-)
ok lang muna kung wala, sa mixing ka na magdagdag kasi pag narecord mo na meron di mo na matatangal.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: RazrX on March 28, 2010, 12:54:44 PM
ok lang muna kung wala, sa mixing ka na magdagdag kasi pag narecord mo na meron di mo na matatangal.

Thanks Bellhaus!  :-D
Bale Plug ins na lang muna ang gagamtin ko pang Compress after ng pag Record?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on March 28, 2010, 06:42:26 PM
Try to think of a compressor as an 'automatic volume control' but with more flexibility. Typically, we use compressors to catch peaks before it enters the interface so that we can prevent digital clipping. With the advent of 24-bit recording, the increased headroom has allowed us to record without needing a compressor because compressors sometimes add their own color and character to a sound. A good example is Urei/UA 1176 which has been used in numerous recordings, or the classic DBX 160.

In live sound, some engineers use a compressor after the master outputs to tame peaks before going into the PA system. This helps prevent burning out the speakers at times. Another common usage is 'ducking', commonly heard in broadcast voice-overs where music is automatically lowered whenever a DJ talks into a mic.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: RazrX on March 28, 2010, 06:57:12 PM
Try to think of a compressor as an 'automatic volume control' but with more flexibility. Typically, we use compressors to catch peaks before it enters the interface so that we can prevent digital clipping. With the advent of 24-bit recording, the increased headroom has allowed us to record without needing a compressor because compressors sometimes add their own color and character to a sound. A good example is Urei/UA 1176 which has been used in numerous recordings, or the classic DBX 160.

In live sound, some engineers use a compressor after the master outputs to tame peaks before going into the PA system. This helps prevent burning out the speakers at times. Another common usage is 'ducking', commonly heard in broadcast voice-overs where music is automatically lowered whenever a DJ talks into a mic.

Thanks,, KitC!  :-D
Medyo nalito ako kasi yung pagkakaintindi ko dapat Compressor muna bago PreAmp.. Thanks ulit!  :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alvincflorentino on March 29, 2010, 12:42:46 PM
I remember someone asking about EQ frequencies and fixing the muddiness of his recordings and, since I had a saved copy of a frequency chart I got off the web somewhere, to help out I posted the pic for his perusal. Unfortunately, I had since forgotten where I copied it from. It may or may not have helped but I found the website again and am posting the link for everyone's benefit. I said it may or may not help because I'm sure the pros here don't need this as they can trust their ears to figure out frequencies for them but for some of us mere mortals, it should turn out to be an eye opener--or an ear opener for that matter. Be sure to hover your cursor over certain areas of the chart as there are bits of info that opens up when you do. Here it is:

http://independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm
Title: PATCH BAYS!
Post by: wratharrow on March 29, 2010, 08:30:54 PM
can someone please kindly explain to me the concept of patch bays and how you use them?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: palaka on March 31, 2010, 02:47:35 PM
sir tanung ko lang po kung safe po ba yung gagawin ko presonus firestudio tapus phone connect ko sa peavey mixer para gamit ko na monitor ng nagrerecord.tnx
Title: Re: PATCH BAYS!
Post by: KitC on April 04, 2010, 10:31:22 AM
can someone please kindly explain to me the concept of patch bays and how you use them?

A little google wouldn't hurt...

http://homerecording.com/patchbay.html

A patchbay is useful if you have lots of gear and do frequent patching and re-patching of cables. Patchbays ease the wear and tear on the 1/4" PL connectors or XLR sockets by moving the connections to a panel closer to your mix position while allowing you to somewhat 'permanently' affix the connections to the rear of your equipment.
Title: connecting a mixer to the digi 003 rack
Post by: wratharrow on April 04, 2010, 06:24:35 PM
the digi003 is a very interesting piece of hardware on its own but here's what i'd like to know: what are some compatible mixing boards/consoles (analog or digital, motorized or not - doesnt matter) that could work with the digi003 rack, and how do the 2 pieces of hardware connect with each other?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 06, 2010, 10:51:22 AM
The 003 rack connects either via 1/4" PL to any analog or digital mixer, preferably an 8-bus. Examples of analog 8-bus mixers are the Mackie 32.8, Allen & Heath GL2800, Soundcraft GB8 or Live 8 series, Yamaha MG24, and many others. Most connection is via balanced or unbalanced 1/4" PL connectors; in some cases, the bus outputs also use balanced XLR connections.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alvincflorentino on April 07, 2010, 11:58:25 AM
For the longest time, I've noticed that a lot of guys coming almost exclusively from the more "mature" (is that politically correct enough?) group refer to TRS/TS plugs as "PL" plugs. Can anyone provide a brief background as to its etymology and meaning? What about RCA vs Phono? Just for completeness, what does XLR mean?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 08, 2010, 09:41:24 AM
PL actually stands for phone line since that connector got it's start in telephony (I was with the phone company for about 12 yrs). I actually referred to the PL plugs as TS/TRS, but it usually confused a lot of people so I reverted.

The RCA or phono plug, since it was regularly used with turntables (or phonographs), got it's name from it's maker, the Radio Corporation of America or more commonly known as RCA.

From wiki: The XLR connector is an electrical connector design. XLR plugs and sockets are used mostly in professional audio and video electronics  cabling applications, for microphones and line level signals. Home audio and video electronics normally use RCA connectors for line level signals generated by a preamplifier. Phone plugs are also used for microphones in home and computer applications.

In reference to its original manufacturer, James H. Cannon, founder of Cannon Electric in Los Angeles, California (now part of ITT Corporation), the connector is colloquially known as a cannon plug or cannon connector. Originally the "Cannon X" series, subsequent versions added a Latch ("Cannon XL") and then a Rubber compound surrounding the contacts, which led to the abbreviation XLR.[1] Many companies now make XLRs. The initials "XLR" have nothing to do with the pinout of the connector. XLR connectors can have other numbers of pins besides three.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alvincflorentino on April 09, 2010, 03:36:07 PM
PL actually stands for phone line since that connector got it's start in telephony (I was with the phone company for about 12 yrs). I actually referred to the PL plugs as TS/TRS, but it usually confused a lot of people so I reverted.

The RCA or phono plug, since it was regularly used with turntables (or phonographs), got it's name from it's maker, the Radio Corporation of America or more commonly known as RCA.

From wiki: The XLR connector is an electrical connector design. XLR plugs and sockets are used mostly in professional audio and video electronics  cabling applications, for microphones and line level signals. Home audio and video electronics normally use RCA connectors for line level signals generated by a preamplifier. Phone plugs are also used for microphones in home and computer applications.

In reference to its original manufacturer, James H. Cannon, founder of Cannon Electric in Los Angeles, California (now part of ITT Corporation), the connector is colloquially known as a cannon plug or cannon connector. Originally the "Cannon X" series, subsequent versions added a Latch ("Cannon XL") and then a Rubber compound surrounding the contacts, which led to the abbreviation XLR.[1] Many companies now make XLRs. The initials "XLR" have nothing to do with the pinout of the connector. XLR connectors can have other numbers of pins besides three.


And now we know...Thanks, Sir!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alvincflorentino on April 13, 2010, 11:46:30 PM
I have an inquiry about the practice of matching speaker and amp wattages. I know that one or the other should have a higher wattage but I don't know which one. I have a Yamaha NS-20M and the specs are: Impedance 8 ohms, nominal input 80 watts, music input 160 watts. Those are the exact words written on the model/sticker info at the back. From this, does my amp have to have more or less wattage than 80 or 160? How much more or less? Or should they be equal? While you're at it, could you please explain the reason behind it? Thanks!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on April 22, 2010, 06:26:27 PM
Sir I just bought Cakewalk Sonar7. How will I know which version (32-bit or 64-bit) to install? Is it related with my OS (Win7 64-bit)? Thanks!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 23, 2010, 11:47:27 AM
Sir I just bought Cakewalk Sonar7. How will I know which version (32-bit or 64-bit) to install? Is it related with my OS (Win7 64-bit)? Thanks!

Use the 64-bit version as much as possible, but if you have a lot of 32-bit plugs you would like to use, you might have to use the 32-bit version. Supposedly, bitbridge takes care of the conversion to 64-bit, but most plugs are still 32-bit today. Still, it doesn't hurt to experiment, and 64-bit is beneficial if you have sampling software, lots of ram and a huge library of samples.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on April 23, 2010, 05:08:30 PM
Use the 64-bit version as much as possible, but if you have a lot of 32-bit plugs you would like to use, you might have to use the 32-bit version. Supposedly, bitbridge takes care of the conversion to 64-bit, but most plugs are still 32-bit today. Still, it doesn't hurt to experiment, and 64-bit is beneficial if you have sampling software, lots of ram and a huge library of samples.
Tnx sir Kit!!!
Another question sir. Para saan yung Ableton and ano pagkakaiba niya sa Sonar? Noob question. :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 24, 2010, 09:59:05 AM
Para saan yung Ableton and ano pagkakaiba niya sa Sonar? Noob question. :-)

Ableton is primarily a loop- or pattern-based sequencer. It operates on the principle of triggering midi and audio loops/patterns. Unlike Sonar, which is linear, meaning the sequence proceeds along a single time line, Ableton can trigger lots of loops as the sequence progresses. Ableton's strength also lies in it's pitch/tempo algorithm which allows you to modify, in real time, the tempo of the sequence while not affecting the pitch of the audio loops. It's one reason why DJ's and remixers easily took to this software - it takes a mindset that is familiar with pattern sequencing.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on April 24, 2010, 05:40:14 PM
Ableton is primarily a loop- or pattern-based sequencer. It operates on the principle of triggering midi and audio loops/patterns. Unlike Sonar, which is linear, meaning the sequence proceeds along a single time line, Ableton can trigger lots of loops as the sequence progresses. Ableton's strength also lies in it's pitch/tempo algorithm which allows you to modify, in real time, the tempo of the sequence while not affecting the pitch of the audio loops. It's one reason why DJ's and remixers easily took to this software - it takes a mindset that is familiar with pattern sequencing.
Ah ok gets ko sir Kit maraming salamat!!!
Another question sir. Naguumpisa kasi ako ngayon ng midi. Medyo nahihirapan ako sir eh.Akala ko parang fruityloops lang.May website ba kayong mabibigay sir na pwede makatulong sa akin? Dami ko rin gusto matutunan about Sonar7. :-o
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on April 24, 2010, 08:38:10 PM
Sir another question. Gamit kong usb interface is line6 POD xt. Kapag ginagamit ko yung Sonar7, may naiibang settings sa POD XT. May idea ba kayo sir bakit nagkakaganun?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 26, 2010, 10:09:50 AM
Sir another question. Gamit kong usb interface is line6 POD xt. Kapag ginagamit ko yung Sonar7, may naiibang settings sa POD XT. May idea ba kayo sir bakit nagkakaganun?

Sonar likes to send 'local off' midi messages to attached devices that have midi capability. It usually assumes that you have a midi keyboard attached and if it doesn't send a local off, you may experience a midi endless loop where midi data is re-transmitted (echoed) by Sonar from the data it receives from the keyboard, which in turn transmits the data over and over... with me so far?

You can set Sonar to not transmit anything by unchecking some items in Global Options, but you might have to go deeper and edit the aud.ini or other .ini files that Sonar refers to during startup. The help file has hints on how to edit the .ini files.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on May 02, 2010, 11:41:46 AM
Sonar likes to send 'local off' midi messages to attached devices that have midi capability. It usually assumes that you have a midi keyboard attached and if it doesn't send a local off, you may experience a midi endless loop where midi data is re-transmitted (echoed) by Sonar from the data it receives from the keyboard, which in turn transmits the data over and over... with me so far?

You can set Sonar to not transmit anything by unchecking some items in Global Options, but you might have to go deeper and edit the aud.ini or other .ini files that Sonar refers to during startup. The help file has hints on how to edit the .ini files.
Wow tnx sir Kit!!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on May 11, 2010, 06:08:29 PM
Sir tanong ko lang paano ba ako magmulti-track recording ng live example sa concert?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: melodic_claws on June 02, 2010, 06:16:55 PM
Hello mga ser,

Binabasa ko tong forum at nakakatuwa kasi ang dami kong natututunan though yung iba ang hirap i apply as iba iba kasi yung DAW at interfaces na ginamit. Just want to hear pieces(madami talaga kelangan ko kasi talagang baguhan ako sa field) of advices from the expert.

My set up is the just simple for multi track recording. A guitar/bass/mic-->zoom g2.1u-->PC(cubase LE4) Since wala po kaming drummer, we uses drum machine softwares na tinimpla ko rin according to my taste.

Layin nung mga mga tunog, ayus naman, all are sync according to my ear's satisfaction.

Here are my questions. Sana po masagot nyo mga ser

1. Yung drum machine, pano sya lalabas na real drums. Na satisfy ako nung na hybrid ko sya acoustic mixcraft5 by using compressor plugins. May iba bang teknik na pwedeng gamitin (metal pala ang genre ng tugtugan so more of malutong na snares and double bass drums

2. Pag kinocompare ko yung mga advertise professional CD sa ginawa kong output.. Parang payat ang tunog nung sa akin.. Tinaasan ko na up to 4-5 decibel gamit ang adobe audition ang output(sama ang mga hard limiting and many more efx na mapapalakas at mapapganda ang output ng recording). May settings ba ako na dapat i set sa cubase in terms of output production?

3. Say naka 3 songs ka na, pano mo papantayin ang decibel output nito kung i burn mo na sa CD. yung tipong pantay lahat.

4. Sa vocals, I am using Shure mic PG58, paano papaangatin ang tunog ng vox at pati na rin ang bass(by pass lang to walang efx para hindi maghalo sa tunog ng gitara)? May teknik din ba dito or efx or any hybrid utility na pwedeng gamitin?

Yan po muna ang aking queries. Sana po hindi kayo naguluhan sa mga tanong ko.. any suggestions, responses will be highly appreciated.


-Jas Wolf
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alien_inside on June 03, 2010, 01:37:18 AM
Sir tanong ko lang paano ba ako magmulti-track recording ng live example sa concert?
you need a multitrack soundcard. check if your mixer has direct outs.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on June 04, 2010, 07:36:58 AM
1. Yung drum machine, pano sya lalabas na real drums. Na satisfy ako nung na hybrid ko sya acoustic mixcraft5 by using compressor plugins. May iba bang teknik na pwedeng gamitin (metal pala ang genre ng tugtugan so more of malutong na snares and double bass drums

You can only go so far with a drum machine especially if the sounds are repetitive. Real drummers use dynamics and often add fills and flourishes that are not easily done with a drum machine. As for sound, eq and compression can get you close, refer to this: http://noise101.wikidot.com/metal-drum-guide

2. Pag kinocompare ko yung mga advertise professional CD sa ginawa kong output.. Parang payat ang tunog nung sa akin.. Tinaasan ko na up to 4-5 decibel gamit ang adobe audition ang output(sama ang mga hard limiting and many more efx na mapapalakas at mapapganda ang output ng recording). May settings ba ako na dapat i set sa cubase in terms of output production?

Again, try reading through the link above. Pay special attention to part 5, but by all means, read everything!

3. Say naka 3 songs ka na, pano mo papantayin ang decibel output nito kung i burn mo na sa CD. yung tipong pantay lahat.

Mastering is the key when comparing the levels of several songs. Stick to mixing your song the way you want it to sound, mastering can come later.

4. Sa vocals, I am using Shure mic PG58, paano papaangatin ang tunog ng vox at pati na rin ang bass(by pass lang to walang efx para hindi maghalo sa tunog ng gitara)? May teknik din ba dito or efx or any hybrid utility na pwedeng gamitin?

Again, eq and compression plus several other techniques that should be learned over time. Head over to http://bamaudioschool.com/ and start studying! It's free so try to pick up a few techniques.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on June 05, 2010, 02:04:03 AM
Sir tanong ko lang, hindi ba advisable na gumamit ng iba't-ibang audio interface sa recording? Example: I'm recording using Sonar7. When I record guitar parts, POD xt ang audio interface ko. After recording all the guitar and bass parts, palitan ko naman yung audio interface ko to Samson GTRACK USB condenser mic. Pansin ko parang nagkakaproblema yung Sonar7 eh. :?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: arkeetar on June 05, 2010, 04:28:00 PM
limitado pa alam ko sa recording pero nakapag compare ko jts tm969 saka shure sm57,
hindi ko lang sure kung ok nagawa kong comparison sa video  :?

post ko na rin baka makatulong kahit papaano  :lol:


strat>mambalaw>reverb>roland bc-30> mic > ux2

(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/240/audacityx.jpg) (http://img13.imageshack.us/i/audacityx.jpg/)

(http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/681/dsc03965d.jpg) (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/dsc03965d.jpg/)

(http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1315/dsc03964z.jpg) (http://img85.imageshack.us/i/dsc03964z.jpg/)

(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3043/dsc03962e.jpg) (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/dsc03962e.jpg/)

nasubukan ko na din pala same mic sa parehas na mic 1&2 input, magkaiba din sila ng volume level kahit parehas ng settings sa knob? :?
may problem kaya yung interface?

kaya mic input 1 lang din ginamit ko sa video (mas malakas s'ya compare sa mic input2)

Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on June 07, 2010, 06:01:11 PM
Sir tanong ko lang, hindi ba advisable na gumamit ng iba't-ibang audio interface sa recording? Example: I'm recording using Sonar7. When I record guitar parts, POD xt ang audio interface ko. After recording all the guitar and bass parts, palitan ko naman yung audio interface ko to Samson GTRACK USB condenser mic. Pansin ko parang nagkakaproblema yung Sonar7 eh. :?

Firstly, if you are using asio, Sonar (and most other asio-driven programs) will only recognize one asio driver at a time. This is to ensure stability and low latency operation. Another thing is that buffer settings for one interface may be different with the other, which may be the reason you are having problems with Sonar.

Normally, when switching from one asio driver to another, Sonar will have you restart the program. If you are using WDM so that you can use the 2 interfaces simultaneously, it's entirely possible that the different buffer settings for each device have an effect on overall stability. Plus add to the fact that both of your interfaces use USB, which does not have a tight timing protocol when mixing up different interfaces, and timing is very important when dealing with audio.

So which of the 2 drivers are you using?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on June 08, 2010, 11:41:44 AM
^^^^ WDM ang gamit kong driver sir. Pero hindi ko naman ginagamit ng simultaneous yung dalawang usb interface ko. Nag-uumpisa lang magkaproblema kapag after nagstart na ako gamitin yung other usb audio interface ko(Samson GTRACK) after ko gamitin yung isang usb interface(POD XT) ko.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on June 09, 2010, 01:48:30 PM
Could be excessive power draw. Do you use a powered usb hub? Insufficient power is sometimes common when connecting directly to the motherboard.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on June 15, 2010, 01:41:54 PM
Software piracy is not tolerated in these forums.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: arkeetar on June 15, 2010, 01:45:37 PM
Software piracy is not tolerated in these forums.

sorry KitC, posts deleted  :oops:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on June 27, 2010, 10:46:25 PM
Sir Kit tanong ko lang paano ko papaganahin yung isang phantom powered mic sa isang preamp na walang phantom power capability? Baka sakali lang.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on June 28, 2010, 09:12:32 AM
Two possible ways:

1. Use a mixer with phantom power and direct outs.

2. You can buy in-line phantom power units such as the Samson S-phantom power supply. I think Audiophile carries these.

If your condenser is an electret, chances are it can be powered by a battery. If not, then the above applies.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on June 28, 2010, 09:55:43 AM
Two possible ways:

1. Use a mixer with phantom power and direct outs.

2. You can buy in-line phantom power units such as the Samson S-phantom power supply. I think Audiophile carries these.

If your condenser is an electret, chances are it can be powered by a battery. If not, then the above applies.
I try ko yan sir. Salamat!!!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: axebass26 on July 27, 2010, 09:43:52 AM
my band is doing a homebrew record for ourselves before we really go into a studio. i have a couple of questions on mixing and mastering.  when mixing tracks, i have adjusted the levels of each recorded track so that each peak is at 0.0 but the master volume still peaks at +something.  do i need to adjust the master too even if it doesn't clip?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on July 27, 2010, 11:26:35 AM
my band is doing a homebrew record for ourselves before we really go into a studio. i have a couple of questions on mixing and mastering.  when mixing tracks, i have adjusted the levels of each recorded track so that each peak is at 0.0 but the master volume still peaks at +something.  do i need to adjust the master too even if it doesn't clip?

Usually per track level when recording is between -18 and -12.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: axebass26 on July 27, 2010, 11:48:57 AM
Usually per track level when recording is between -18 and -12.

it depends on the input i believe. but yes, usually it does fall between -18 and -12 per track to have its peak at 0.0..

again, i have adjusted the levels of each track to peak at 0.0.  but the master volume (the volume of the mix) peaks at above 0.0.  my question is, do i have to adjust the master so peaks are at 0.0 even if the mix does not clip?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on July 27, 2010, 04:23:33 PM
Try to imagine each track as a glass of say... 10 ml in volume. The moment you hit 0dB, that glass becomes 10 ml full. Now imagine that the master fader is also 10 ml in capacity. If you add 10 tracks, all 10 ml full, to the master fader glass, what happens? It overflows, and in the world of mixing, this is heard as distortion.

You may have maxed out the volume on each individual track, but you also have to control how much you send out to the master outputs. This is where each individual track fader comes it. To continue with my fluid analogy above, the track fader controls the flow of volume going to the master fader so that it doesn't 'overflow'.

This is how you should treat mixing. We may say set your track levels to this or that dB or say peak at this max dB per track, but your basis for the mix should always be the master outputs, not each individual track. As I'm fond of saying, "let your ears, and not your eyes,  be your guide whenever you mix."
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: axebass26 on July 27, 2010, 04:32:44 PM
Try to imagine each track as a glass of say... 10 ml in volume. The moment you hit 0dB, that glass becomes 10 ml full. Now imagine that the master fader is also 10 ml in capacity. If you add 10 tracks, all 10 ml full, to the master fader glass, what happens? It overflows, and in the world of mixing, this is heard as distortion.

You may have maxed out the volume on each individual track, but you also have to control how much you send out to the master outputs. This is where each individual track fader comes it. To continue with my fluid analogy above, the track fader controls the flow of volume going to the master fader so that it doesn't 'overflow'.

This is how you should treat mixing. We may say set your track levels to this or that dB or say peak at this max dB per track, but your basis for the mix should always be the master outputs, not each individual track. As I'm fond of saying, "let your ears, and not your eyes,  be your guide whenever you mix."

okay.... hmmm... so if the mix does not clip or distort, but the master fader registers the audio to be above 0.0 should i still adjust the master so that it peaks at 0.0? or should i leave the master alone and adjust each individual track so that the master registers the peak at 0.0?  will this affect the playback of the song on other devices? pardon the noob-ness.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on July 28, 2010, 10:44:13 AM
okay.... hmmm... so if the mix does not clip or distort, but the master fader registers the audio to be above 0.0 should i still adjust the master so that it peaks at 0.0? or should i leave the master alone and adjust each individual track so that the master registers the peak at 0.0?  will this affect the playback of the song on other devices? pardon the noob-ness.

Again, let your ears...

Did you hear any distortion at all? Some analog devices have sufficient headroom at the master output that a peak indication may mean that you are only approaching max output. This is not true, however, for digital devices which have a fixed output of 0 dBFS (FS means full scale).

Any attempt to go above this would only mean nasty sounding digital distortion, which is what you usually want to avoid. There are cases where a DAW's track meters will indicate a peak, depending on how those meters are calibrated (peak or RMS). In most cases, transitory peaks - those lasting about a sample or 2 - are often inaudible, but these affect all meters down the line giving you a peak indication on the master outs. You often want to avoid these peaks since the mastering process will often increase levels possibly making any inaudible peaks noticeable afterwards. This is one reason why mix stems are usually handed over to the mastering engineer at levels not exceeding -6 dB or preferably lower so that they have more headroom to work with.

If you have a peak, will this affect playback? Of course it will, though the rule of thumb is that if you can't hear it, you can probably get away with it.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: axebass26 on July 28, 2010, 12:21:10 PM
Again, let your ears...

Did you hear any distortion at all? Some analog devices have sufficient headroom at the master output that a peak indication may mean that you are only approaching max output. This is not true, however, for digital devices which have a fixed output of 0 dBFS (FS means full scale).

Any attempt to go above this would only mean nasty sounding digital distortion, which is what you usually want to avoid. There are cases where a DAW's track meters will indicate a peak, depending on how those meters are calibrated (peak or RMS). In most cases, transitory peaks - those lasting about a sample or 2 - are often inaudible, but these affect all meters down the line giving you a peak indication on the master outs. You often want to avoid these peaks since the mastering process will often increase levels possibly making any inaudible peaks noticeable afterwards. This is one reason why mix stems are usually handed over to the mastering engineer at levels not exceeding -6 dB or preferably lower so that they have more headroom to work with.

If you have a peak, will this affect playback? Of course it will, though the rule of thumb is that if you can't hear it, you can probably get away with it.

that clears a lot of stuff up... so i need to leave room for mastering... got it... 

do we really need to master songs that are just for demos or for non-commercial/release songs?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on July 28, 2010, 12:46:03 PM
do we really need to master songs that are just for demos or for non-commercial/release songs?

No, but it's up to you assuming you want the best quality possible.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: axebass26 on July 28, 2010, 12:49:15 PM
No, but it's up to you assuming you want the best quality possible.

ah.. thank you very much...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: ashendarei on August 04, 2010, 11:01:02 PM
I have been researching a lot on recording and this thread has also been very useful.

My question is, is there an actual audible difference when recording in 44.1 Khz vs 96Khz?  I can understand that recording in 24 bit is better than 16 bit because it does leave some headroom for plugins and other algorithm computations on the sample which makes for smoother and cleaner output.  However, does the sampling rate between 44.1, 88, and 96 actually produce audible differences that would justify the additional processing power needed and not to mention the additional storage space?  The sources online have been conflicting in their reco