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Title: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: gelokaj on August 18, 2013, 01:16:06 PM


Hi.  Kindly post your bare knuckle pickups here.  You may also give your comments and reviews of the BKPs you have tried for the guidance of interested forumers.  Comparisons with other pickup brands are also welcome.

Thanks all.  :)
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: gelokaj on August 18, 2013, 01:25:33 PM

I'll start with mine. 

Trilogy Suite set currently installed on my US Standard Strat 

(lesser hum and quieter than the stock pups; more definition and clarity on high gain to my ears)

(http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd407/gelokaj/IMG_01371.jpg) (http://s1218.photobucket.com/user/gelokaj/media/IMG_01371.jpg.html)


Holy Diver set in Yellow bobbins currently on my RG 570

(gave more body to my RG; fatter sounding; more clarity on high gain than the Dimarzios I had on the RG)

(http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd407/gelokaj/IMG_01321.jpg) (http://s1218.photobucket.com/user/gelokaj/media/IMG_01321.jpg.html)

Supermassive90 set fitted to my Gibson LP 60s Tribute

(this practically changed my 60s tribute; quieter than the stock p90s; more clarity and power)

(http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd407/gelokaj/IMG_22561.jpg) (http://s1218.photobucket.com/user/gelokaj/media/IMG_22561.jpg.html)

Blackdog set currently in my Gibson LP Classic Goldtop

(nice hard rock sounding pickups to my ears; good definition and clarity even on high gain setting; very nice cleans)

(http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd407/gelokaj/IMG_00941.jpg) (http://s1218.photobucket.com/user/gelokaj/media/IMG_00941.jpg.html)
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: gandydancer123 on August 18, 2013, 02:39:44 PM
^wow!
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: shodawmoon on August 18, 2013, 03:01:44 PM
wow. how timely, I'm considering BKPs for a build I'm planning.

Subscribed.

@TS

where'd you source yours?
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: gelokaj on August 18, 2013, 03:41:02 PM
wow. how timely, I'm considering BKPs for a build I'm planning.

Subscribed.

@TS

where'd you source yours?

Hi Bro.  I got all my BKPs from Micsis/Edgie.  Ask kuya mike and he'll hook you up.  I think he is working on a project tele now and plans to put BKPs on them too.  Good luck. Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: shodawmoon on August 18, 2013, 03:49:02 PM
Hi Bro.  I got all my BKPs from Micsis/Edgie.  Ask kuya mike and he'll hook you up.  I think he is working on a project tele now and plans to put BKPs on them too.  Good luck. Thanks.  :)

hey thanks, will ask MicSis and/or Edgie. :wave:

are we talking about the same Edgie who owns the green Jazzmaster that Mike built?
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: r_chino18 on August 18, 2013, 03:55:21 PM
Emil, siya nga yun. Edgie is the man.  :wave:

http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=257620.0 (http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=257620.0)
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: shodawmoon on August 18, 2013, 04:10:15 PM
Emil, siya nga yun. Edgie is the man.  :wave:

http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=257620.0 (http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=257620.0)
  :eek:
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: didi09 on August 18, 2013, 11:00:15 PM
Lol ang mahal naman kasi ng mga pups na ito <_<

Gold mines :drool:

MISSISSIPPI QUEEN HUMBUCKER-SIZE P90
Trip ko toanz neto hmm :drool:

Anyway subscribe
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: ibbyboy02 on August 18, 2013, 11:05:19 PM
Yo whadup? Anong BK na HB ang pede nyo marecommend sa basswood bodied guitar (particularly Ibanez)
Nailbombs? Aftermaths? Holy divers?
Genre po is rock/alternative
Saka po diba may choices kung ceramic or alnico? Alin mas maganda sa 2? Thanks. :-)
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: gelokaj on August 18, 2013, 11:20:20 PM
Yo whadup? Anong BK na HB ang pede nyo marecommend sa basswood bodied guitar (particularly Ibanez)
Nailbombs? Aftermaths? Holy divers?
Genre po is rock/alternative
Saka po diba may choices kung ceramic or alnico? Alin mas maganda sa 2? Thanks. :-)

 I loved Poundcake's VHII set in his Suhr guitar. Heard it when he visited Micsis one time. My Holy Diver is hotter pero okay din.  AFAIK, the ceramic variant is a bit hotter compared to the alnicos. :)

BKP has a facebook page if you want to see the color and cover options.  :)
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: iScreamCake0126 on October 09, 2013, 04:54:22 PM
saan po ba nakakabili ng bare knuckle na pickups? interested ako sa yellow ee. i think it will suit on my rg350mz. :)) para yellow din. hahaha. XD
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: inexperience on October 09, 2013, 05:26:15 PM
Anung price range ng mga HBs sir?
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: r_chino18 on October 09, 2013, 07:12:27 PM
saan po ba nakakabili ng bare knuckle na pickups? interested ako sa yellow ee. i think it will suit on my rg350mz. :)) para yellow din. hahaha. XD

Reply #6
Emil, siya nga yun. Edgie is the man.  :wave:
http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=257620.0 (http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=257620.0)


Anung price range ng mga HBs sir?

Around 15k ang alam kong bnew price ng HB pair ng Bareknuckle.  :-)
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Post by: psychic_sushi on October 19, 2013, 10:31:35 PM
Crawlers in my Silhouette

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4/psychic_sushi/20131011_220806.jpg)

The stock virtual pafs were good, but not for this guitar. I felt that they would be more suited to a Gibson scale and make guitar.

The beef of the Crawlers made the silo fatter and more balanced. Unbelievably clear and punchy,  I can't understand how they do it. Harmonics are richer and the guitar feels easier to play. The split sounds are crazy too, beautifully chimey. And the mids... Yum.

I don't think I ever want to use another brand ever again!

And yes, edgie is the man!


Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: paengkee on October 19, 2013, 10:47:09 PM
was part of this club once. until i sold my 6 string with an aftermath at the bridge.

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Post by: edgie on October 24, 2013, 11:21:00 AM
Thanks for the compliments and support.  I'm glad you guys are enjoying your BKP's.  Lots of props to Mike too for making BKP's available in Pinas, it's certainly a team effort.: )

My experience with BKP's started with a used Apache set that I put in an Edwards SRV relic strat(Alder body, rosewood board). It's a lot better than the stock Duncan SSL-1 neck and mid/SSL-5 bridge combo in that guitar. I had that guitar for 3+ years and I played from blues-rock to modern rock(e.g. 311's Down, Incubus' Nice to Know You and Anti-gravity Love Song, RHCP, etc) on it. It's my favorite BKP strat pickups set.

I also had an Esquire-type guitar done by Mike Sison loaded with BKP Flat 50's. I like it too but I'd say it's more like a punchy humbucker to my ears than a twangy Tele since it's a Broadcaster-voiced pu.

I had a PRS SC250 with a Mule Set with BKP Jentsen Caps. It's several more steps from the stock PRS pickups and gave the guitar more volume and tone control range. The stock PRS pickups(a common PRS weakness) are not good with in-between volumes. I sold that guitar as I realize I really can't get the Les Paul sound in my head with it and I used the cash to fund my Tyler.

The last one I had before I sold the Edwards Strat was a set of BKP Patent Pending '63 Veneer board. It has thumpier/crisper bass than the Apaches(boomier, warmer) and the treble strings are slightly thinner or wiry.

I have also tried the Mother's Milk in a friend's Strat which is middier and darker than either the Apaches and 63's but the output is still vintage-level.

Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: abyssinianson on October 25, 2013, 03:01:37 AM
been using Bareknuckles for a few years now. I have 6 string sets for Nailbomb, Aftermath and Mississippi Queen. My decibel 7 string currently has a set of Juggernaut pups in it.
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: gelokaj on October 25, 2013, 12:11:28 PM
Thanks for the compliments and support.  I'm glad you guys are enjoying your BKP's.  Lots of props to Mike too for making BKP's available in Pinas, it's certainly a team effort.: )

My experience with BKP's started with a used Apache set that I put in an Edwards SRV relic strat(Alder body, rosewood board). It's a lot better than the stock Duncan SSL-1 neck and mid/SSL-5 bridge combo in that guitar. I had that guitar for 3+ years and I played from blues-rock to modern rock(e.g. 311's Down, Incubus' Nice to Know You and Anti-gravity Love Song, RHCP, etc) on it. It's my favorite BKP strat pickups set.

I also had an Esquire-type guitar done by Mike Sison loaded with BKP Flat 50's. I like it too but I'd say it's more like a punchy humbucker to my ears than a twangy Tele since it's a Broadcaster-voiced pu.

I had a PRS SC250 with a Mule Set with BKP Jentsen Caps. It's several more steps from the stock PRS pickups and gave the guitar more volume and tone control range. The stock PRS pickups(a common PRS weakness) are not good with in-between volumes. I sold that guitar as I realize I really can't get the Les Paul sound in my head with it and I used the cash to fund my Tyler.

The last one I had before I sold the Edwards Strat was a set of BKP Patent Pending '63 Veneer board. It has thumpier/crisper bass than the Apaches(boomier, warmer) and the treble strings are slightly thinner or wiry.

I have also tried the Mother's Milk in a friend's Strat which is middier and darker than either the Apaches and 63's but the output is still vintage-level.

More power bro Edgie.  Love to order VHIIs soon.   :)
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Post by: edgie on October 25, 2013, 02:34:24 PM
Thanks Atty. Gelo!

You may want to look into the Rebel Yell set too. I have a friend who changed from the VHII's in his Ibanez RG. I have yet to hear it(maybe this weekend) but he described it as having more punch, brightness, and power than the VHII's. Like a VHII on steroids, I think. : )
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: gelokaj on October 25, 2013, 04:08:43 PM
Thanks Atty. Gelo!

You may want to look into the Rebel Yell set too. I have a friend who changed from the VHII's in his Ibanez RG. I have yet to hear it(maybe this weekend) but he described it as having more punch, brightness, and power than the VHII's. Like a VHII on steroids, I think. : )

I was supposed to get the rebel yell pero kala ko more of pang set neck sya. Pero maganda nga yon. I'll think abut it.  Magkano price nya ngayon, Edgie? TY.
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Post by: edgie on October 25, 2013, 06:21:26 PM
You got PM sir.  Bawal ata magdiscuss ng prices dito sa GC eh.: )
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: edgie on October 25, 2013, 11:28:34 PM
Yo whadup? Anong BK na HB ang pede nyo marecommend sa basswood bodied guitar (particularly Ibanez)
Nailbombs? Aftermaths? Holy divers?
Genre po is rock/alternative
Saka po diba may choices kung ceramic or alnico? Alin mas maganda sa 2? Thanks. :-)

It seems people with basswood-bodied guitars benefit from those humbuckers that has some added mids on them to make the sound fatter. Pinaghahalo rin nila yung alnico sa neck(for clarity and definition) then ceramic sa bridge(for power and chunkiness). Hindi ko pa narinig in person yung mga nabanggit mo.
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: edgie on October 25, 2013, 11:31:11 PM
been using Bareknuckles for a few years now. I have 6 string sets for Nailbomb, Aftermath and Mississippi Queen. My decibel 7 string currently has a set of Juggernaut pups in it.

Wow, very interesting choices specially the MQ and the Juggernaut. I just read the specs of the Juggernaut now and it's really a one of a kind combination of magnets and wires. How do you find it?
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: abyssinianson on October 26, 2013, 01:13:15 AM
the MQ is currently in an SG that I use for slide, it has a nice P90 type sound that really cuts through. I've dug the aftermath a lot since I got it and it is in a custom ESP viper right now. The Jugg is similar to the Aftermath I think but with less treble tone and more of the mids so the overall tone -at least on my guitar -is rounder, fatter and it works nice for leads and tapping. I like the aftermath on mahogany and basswood guitars because it lets the warmth cut through and adds a bite on top of it. i bought it straight from BK and they have always been really good about my purchases and requests. Tim will answer emails if you have any and when I had covers done for my Aftermath and Jugg, Tim delivered.
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Post by: tongski_02 on October 26, 2013, 09:43:32 PM
i have a set of PGblues on my R8.
and i can say the tone is spot on early Fleetwood mac.
never took them out since 2010
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: edgie on October 28, 2013, 12:02:02 PM
+1. PG Blues is my favorite BKP for LP since narinig ko yang R8 mo. Mas smoky and thicker yung tunog kesa sa Mule.
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Post by: toybitz on October 30, 2013, 09:32:53 AM
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a56/toybitz/DSC06150.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/toybitz/media/DSC06150.jpg.html)

Black Dog bridge
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Post by: gelokaj on December 16, 2013, 04:23:27 PM
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a56/toybitz/DSC06150.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/toybitz/media/DSC06150.jpg.html)

Black Dog bridge

Nice Bro! I have the same pickups in my Goldtop  :)
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Post by: toybitz on December 17, 2013, 10:24:36 AM
nice Atty!

I used to have a pair of Rebel, how foolish of me to sell it....but then again, I had no spare guitar for it.  8(
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: gelokaj on December 17, 2013, 10:35:38 AM
nice Atty!

I used to have a pair of Rebel, how foolish of me to sell it....but then again, I had no spare guitar for it.  8(

Ako rin I wanted to buy a Rebel Yell set pero yun nga I have no spare guitar for it.  Bawas bawas din kasi ako ng guitar lately to save on space. :)
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Post by: charles55 on December 18, 2013, 01:02:14 PM
Yo whadup? Anong BK na HB ang pede nyo marecommend sa basswood bodied guitar (particularly Ibanez)
Nailbombs? Aftermaths? Holy divers?
Genre po is rock/alternative
Saka po diba may choices kung ceramic or alnico? Alin mas maganda sa 2? Thanks. :-)

I have BK Aftermath sa bridge ng RG7620. Ceramic user ako pag sa bridge position, Air Norton 7 sa neck. Metal ang genre.
So far ayos ang experience ko sa Aftermath sa basswood. Sakto ang EQ ng pickup.
Hindi basssy, dehins din mataas ang Highs. Swabe din ang Mids. Punchy at tight. Malaking bagay ung kahoy ng guitara. Pero IMO ayos ang Aftermath.

BK Nailbomb set naman gamit ko sa LP. Versatile set un. Mula metal hanggang medyo malumanay na banatan kaya nya. Alnico neck, Ceramic Bridge.

Hope this helps. :)
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Post by: hetfield_2k2 on January 09, 2014, 11:45:09 PM
I'll be receiving my Warpig Neck and Painkiller Bridge tomorrow...

Planning to use it on my GrassRoots Les Paul...
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: gelokaj on January 11, 2014, 01:34:10 AM
I'll be receiving my Warpig Neck and Painkiller Bridge tomorrow...

Planning to use it on my GrassRoots Les Paul...

Congrats bro! Ako naman I'm waiting for my VHII set hehe  Planning to put it on my Peavey EVH :)
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Post by: paengkee on January 11, 2014, 11:18:11 PM
waiting on a piledriver tele set. :D
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Post by: hetfield_2k2 on January 12, 2014, 02:03:28 PM
Here they are  :wave: :wave: :wave:

Painkiller on the left and Warpig on the right  :-D :-D :-D

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t454/hetfield_2k2/IMG_20140110_165829_zps9f60605f.jpg) (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/hetfield_2k2/media/IMG_20140110_165829_zps9f60605f.jpg.html)

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t454/hetfield_2k2/IMG_20140110_165627_zps98c796f6.jpg) (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/hetfield_2k2/media/IMG_20140110_165627_zps98c796f6.jpg.html)

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t454/hetfield_2k2/IMG_20140110_165613_zpsc0e4c75e.jpg) (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/hetfield_2k2/media/IMG_20140110_165613_zpsc0e4c75e.jpg.html)

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t454/hetfield_2k2/IMG_20140110_165606_zps0e87ecca.jpg) (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/hetfield_2k2/media/IMG_20140110_165606_zps0e87ecca.jpg.html)

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t454/hetfield_2k2/IMG_20140110_165555_zps87b74e52.jpg) (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/hetfield_2k2/media/IMG_20140110_165555_zps87b74e52.jpg.html)

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t454/hetfield_2k2/bareknuckles_zps041ccd68.jpg) (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/hetfield_2k2/media/bareknuckles_zps041ccd68.jpg.html)
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Post by: hetfield_2k2 on January 12, 2014, 08:23:09 PM
Pickups installed on my Grass Roots Les Paul...

Video of soundcheck uploaded on facebook  :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: jrmercado on January 07, 2015, 04:57:03 PM
sir ano po marerecommend nyo na bkp sa am deluxe na strat? and magagamit ko pa ba s-1 switch or kelangan palitan buong wiring ng gitara? salamat
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Post by: shredmaestrobri on January 11, 2015, 02:14:50 PM
Got to try a Juggernaut on an 8-string. Hanep!
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: waterbury on October 05, 2017, 03:52:36 AM
sorry for the necro...

worth it ba mag BKP for mid entry ibanez (RGD7421)?

Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: jake z on October 06, 2017, 10:50:02 PM
Saw Misha's demo of the Ragnarok. It was awesome.
Title: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: chito_eoi on October 07, 2017, 01:48:41 AM
Black Dog for this 25year old Gibson SG
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Post by: rowley75 on October 07, 2017, 11:40:39 AM
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2 years and counting! Bkp nailbombs with battleworn black covers.


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Post by: Payback on October 08, 2017, 09:55:51 PM
I recently glt a bkp piledrier bridge for my tele custom 72.
Man oh man!!! I is a monster. Not your daddy's typical twang but something more bassy.

Love it!!!
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: changedmynametojimi on October 10, 2017, 04:14:37 PM
Humbuckers, my first bkp was an emerald bridge - installed on my Gibson SG Standard....hot damn! it was so awesome that it left me wanting on something bkp for the neck.  emailed Tim and was advised for a riffraff to match the bridge and voila, it was such a delight.

Tele, sold my duncan stacks installed on my tele's to fund for a piledriver...it was awesome! still loving that guitar tone every time I take it out of the bag.  Fender Highway One Tele Rosewood fingerboard

Strat, I am looking for a pickup, thinking of Mother's Milk but I think Slowhand may be a better bet for Fender American Standard Maple fretboard.

Strat pup recommendation?
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: guitaricci on October 10, 2017, 05:45:05 PM

Strat, I am looking for a pickup, thinking of Mother's Milk but I think Slowhand may be a better bet for Fender American Standard Maple fretboard.

Strat pup recommendation?

I think yung Slowhand was voiced for a maple fretboard strat kasi ganun set-up ni Clapton? haha

 Actually pinagpipilian ko dati yung Mother's Milk at Irish Tour. I was leaning on the Irish Tour kasi I wanted to have a Rory Gallagher inspired tone....and then nawalan ako ng budget.  :lol:
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: changedmynametojimi on October 11, 2017, 03:56:43 PM
I think yung Slowhand was voiced for a maple fretboard strat kasi ganun set-up ni Clapton? haha

 Actually pinagpipilian ko dati yung Mother's Milk at Irish Tour. I was leaning on the Irish Tour kasi I wanted to have a Rory Gallagher inspired tone....and then nawalan ako ng budget.  :lol:

Yes, yun kay clapton maple neck pero yun pickup wiring niya is may mid boost.  I liked yun Mother's Milk because of this demo I saw on maple strat.


but of course, inexact science yan pickup matching...hindi lang kasi sya cheap kaya mahirap buy then benta :D
Title: Re: BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS USERS THREAD
Post by: guitaricci on February 07, 2018, 07:43:49 PM
BKP just released the Bootcamp Series. Mas mura daw sya kaysa sa standard range nung BKP pero still made in the UK. May mga videos na si Rabea Massaad pero its kinda hard to tell (at least for my ears).

Kung may demo sana sila ng lets say Black Dog or The Mule vs. Bootcamp Old Guard or True Grit Humbuckers...