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Title: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 21, 2007, 01:29:47 PM
Ok.... rather than set up a tutorial thread, let's make this into a Q & A sort of thread and the emphasis will be on setting up your PC regardless of the specs. Remember, however, that some pc configurations are not compatible with audio no matter what you do. Also remember that most pc's coming out today have a decided slant towards powerful video capabilities, something which often conflicts with glitch-free audio performance. If you are decided about great audio performance, you will have to give up great video performance (which means you will have to give up that 8800GTXProMillenium+1 and go for a considerably less powerful vidcard).

I know this thread will get unusually long so I will be adding to it as time progresses. Any pertinent info will be added to this initial post and I suggest that anyone posting new questions refer to this first post so we can avoid duplication.

Let's start...



One of the most important considerations when choosing a pc for recording happens to be not the pc, but the SOFTWARE.

Strange, but true. It is the software that determines what soundcard you will use, and what the minimum requirements are for running that software. Word of advice about minimum requirements... follow that and your pc/software combi will function, but just barely. You need to factor something like 150% of the minimum just to have something workable; so if the minimum cpu is 1 GHz, you really need at least 1.5 GHz to be able to do any real work... 200% to 300% of minimum is suggested.

Software also determines the platform you will use. Sonar, Audition, Wavelab and Soundforge are strictly pc while Logic, Digital Performer, Bias Peak and Soundhack are mac. ProTools, Cubase and Nuendo are dual-platform applications. Let's not turn this thread into a mac vs. pc thread because, in my view, these are nothing but tools... machines that are designed for a purpose. Each has it's strengths and weaknesses and I'd rather we concentrate on how we can maximize the usefulness of these tools. No mac vs. pc flame wars, get it?

Now that you've decided your software, if you do some digging into its feature, you will often find a list of compatible soundcards that go with it. Please, please choose a soundcard with a known compatibility. If you decide to use that cheap 300 peso CMI soundcard or USB cdrking sound dongle, your on your own. I have nothing against using inexpensive gear but often you will find that support is sometimes non-existent or that drivers are POS and are hardly updated. To add insult to injury, the performance of these cheap cards are often not up to par and sound quality often suffers. You CAN use these cards (I did not say you can't), but you will have to work extra hard to get even demo quality sound from them so if you decide to go that route, don't forget that I told you so. I have used soundblaster cards early in my delvings into digital audio and over the years, my ears have become attuned to what they can do well, and what they cannot. I will say that blasters are good for learning the craft.

Now, finally, the pc...

So you got your software and you've chosen your soundcard... now what? Put it all in that pre-assembled pc and then click on that record button in your software and hope you nail that perfect take? NOT!

Most pre-assembled pcs skimp on some important very important parts like the motherboard, ram, vidcard, power supply... you name it. Even Dells are guilty of this fact plus, pre-assembleds are more tuned towards office applications and the occasional game or 2. Audio pcs are a different breed. Audio pcs eschew 3D video performance in favor of increased audio capability. Capabilities like low latency, high track counts, quiet operation and very good 2D screen redraw performance (playback of movie videos is also a consideration for post production suites).

Some soundcards are also picky about the motherboard chipset. Research well on the chipsets that go with your soundcard. You don't want a repeat of that Via debacle that happened with soundblasters. Via chipsets starting with the KT166 were horrible with computer audio; it was only with the K8T800 Pro chipset that Via redeemed itself. Intel chipsets were stable with the i865 chipset, but the i915 and i925 were disappointing for some; the present 975XBX and 965P chipsets are proving to be very good performers. Nforce chipsets were quite good up to Nforce3, the Nforce4 was a disappointment plus the combination of pcie proved to be a real problem. If you already have chosen your software, it pays to lurk in their user forums since they often post which motherboards work well - that's how I happened to choose my present day N3 mobo.

So what does this mean for most pc-based platforms? DIY systems are the way to go. You get to choose your own parts and you can most likely get the best and most compatible components for your needs. At times you can save a lot by going DIY but you then have the responsibility of installing the OS, tweaking it for audio  and installing all the software and hardware; a process that can take 2 or 3 days at least. Mac users have it easy, their machines just work out of the box but they have to pay for that ease of use (I call it the 2:1 ratio but lets not go into that).

There are lots more to discuss but let's take it one step at a time.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: stilljey on April 22, 2007, 04:04:55 AM
thanks sir kit 2 ur wonderful n gracious tips, so if i decide to have protools as my software, i compulsary upgrade my processor from P4 to Core Duo? (base on what i read sa forum na ito, whewww....!! ang haba nga eh way back 2006..enjoy naman) and what soundcard do you prefer for PT.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 22, 2007, 04:13:00 AM
thanks sir kit 2 ur wonderful n gracious tips, so if i decide to have protools as my software, i compulsary upgrade my processor from P4 to Core Duo? (base on what i read sa forum na ito, whewww....!! ang haba nga eh way back 2006..enjoy naman) and what soundcard do you prefer for PT.

PT is a closed system. You cannot use any soundcard other than Digidesign hardware for PT HD systems and PT LE, or M-Audio cards for PT M-Powered. If you want to experiment with PT Free, it only works with Win 98/ME only.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jaime on April 22, 2007, 05:27:52 AM
suggestions about which PC sound card will be good enough to be able connect my mixer with RCA I/O to my pc? budget 3 to 4K pesoses. i used my PC stock sound card before with the 1/8" but nasira na kaka suksuk hatak ko nung 1/8 jack. better yata ang RCA, wachhathink?
PM nng po sir KIT TY
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: nicolle on April 22, 2007, 08:15:53 AM
hi, Sir KitC!

do you have an office? i was thinking if it is possible for us to request for a hands-on demo on how to set up our pc for recording...a lot of postings are too complicated for me...it would be easier if i watch how you do it....

thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 22, 2007, 10:43:29 AM
@ jaime - if you look around the classifieds, you might be able to grab a deal on a very good soundcard like M-Audio. The M-Audio 2496 is a very good card for the money although brand new cards will set you back twice your intended budget, it comes standard with RCA I/O (note that the s/pdif digital connections are RCA also). A very good alternative is the Behringer UCA202 which is USB2 and has RCA I/O but it is usually bundled with other Behri products. Someone is offering the Behri FCA202 which is a firewire equivalent of the UCA; if your pc has firewire, I recommend this card but there are a few caveats about onboard firewire, namely, Via firewire chipsets on most mobos are notorious for poor handling of audio so be forewarned.

An alternative to your 1/8" problem is to fashion some 'adapter' plugs, sort of like a mini patchbay. Most electronics stores carry stereo 1/8" to mono RCA y-cables; I suggest connecting these semi-permanently to your soundcard and just use the rca connections as your 'point-of-contact' with other gear like mixers - just add rca to 1/4" adapters if needed. It's much cheaper to replace these y-cables than a soundcard.

@nicolle - my 'office' is a midi project studio which sorta resides in my bedroom, the end result of downsizing on gear and the direct result of going virtual. There are plans of relocating to a place more conducive for visitors, so to speak. I can, however, set up a sort of demo in collaboration with BAMF at his studio over at Sto. Domingo. PM me your location and maybe we can figure something out.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: nicolle on April 24, 2007, 03:26:05 AM
@ jaime - if you look around the classifieds, you might be able to grab a deal on a very good soundcard like M-Audio. The M-Audio 2496 is a very good card for the money although brand new cards will set you back twice your intended budget, it comes standard with RCA I/O (note that the s/pdif digital connections are RCA also). A very good alternative is the Behringer UCA202 which is USB2 and has RCA I/O but it is usually bundled with other Behri products. Someone is offering the Behri FCA202 which is a firewire equivalent of the UCA; if your pc has firewire, I recommend this card but there are a few caveats about onboard firewire, namely, Via firewire chipsets on most mobos are notorious for poor handling of audio so be forewarned.

An alternative to your 1/8" problem is to fashion some 'adapter' plugs, sort of like a mini patchbay. Most electronics stores carry stereo 1/8" to mono RCA y-cables; I suggest connecting these semi-permanently to your soundcard and just use the rca connections as your 'point-of-contact' with other gear like mixers - just add rca to 1/4" adapters if needed. It's much cheaper to replace these y-cables than a soundcard.

@nicolle - my 'office' is a midi project studio which sorta resides in my bedroom, the end result of downsizing on gear and the direct result of going virtual. There are plans of relocating to a place more conducive for visitors, so to speak. I can, however, set up a sort of demo in collaboration with BAMF at his studio over at Sto. Domingo. PM me your location and maybe we can figure something out.

hi!

thanks a lot...maybe the demo at BAMF studio at Sto. Domingo would be fine for a start.  is there a fee?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: redcomet_m on April 24, 2007, 03:44:10 PM
@nicole

well, i believe Master KitC is a very reasonable man to negotiate with nicole, im sure you could work something out

So to continue KitC's insightful narratives, lets start with memory. If you have the budget get maximum memory that youre mobo can handle although i doubt it will help since the program is 32bit and XP is 32bit unless you work on a 64bit OS and 64bit proc. Id suggest dual core proc as it helps with real time performance.

With regards to hard drives, do simple but clean disk management. Its better to have a system drive, a programs drive and a project/files drive. Disk size is upto you since you have the money not me. But id do settle for a huuuugggeeee project/files drive because all of the biggest data will be handled there. And it doubles as a swap disk to so...oh and get the latest i believe its sata.

Externals are ok but even FW800 cannot match SATA II perf unless youre the mobile type.

Graphics card...hmm do we need that? I dunno, can onboard grpx handle sound editing. Maybe KitC has an answer.

Now thats PC users, Mac users...buy an IMAC, external drive and external audio interface and your done :) if you could, boost your memory. Thats all folks
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 24, 2007, 05:21:40 PM
Very nice insights, redcomet!

I'd like to add that although XP is a 32-bit OS, most (if not all) audio programs in the windows platform still operate at 32 bit with the exception of Sonar which is 64-bit ready. In terms of RAM, this mean the OS can only address a maximum of 4 gigs (actually 3.2 gig addressable) and you have to use the 3 gig 'switch' because XP only recognizes 2 gig by default. Does this mean the end of the world for audio usage? No. Because unless you are streaming huge samples from ram, 2 gigs is actually more than enough. One can actually work at 512 megs, but you will have to trim down the amount of background services so that you gain more ram real estate.

About SATA drives... early motherboard implementation of sata often caused problems with audio devices. This is because of how the host controller interface 'sat' on top of the pci bus allowing the drive to communicate with the entire system. The Nforce2 mobos were a 'victim' of this implementation that's why it was often recommended to go PATA with Nforce2. Present day mobos don't suffer from this design quirk
anymore.

I'd go with redcomet's advice on having a separate system and data drive. Not a single drive partitioned into 2 drives, but 2 physical drives. Also have some means of storing data. Right now, cdr's are the safest bet but use known media. Writable dvds are becoming popular as a storage medium but there are reports that these don't hold data as long as cdr's. When in doubt, use branded media manufactured by a reputable firm. (There are branded fakes, however, like branded TDK's and Verbatims but when you go into the manufacturing details, these were often manufactured by a particular taiwanese firm/s. They're easy to spot since they're so cheap.... And stay away from generics!)

Graphics? Decide early on if you're building a gaming machine or an audio workstation since high end video cards are notorious for stealing all available processing bandwidth. Onboard graphics are becoming more powerful, but they often share onboard ram and they sometimes have limited resolutions, like you may have a 19" monitor but if your graphics can only do 1024 x 800, that's simply a waste of monitor real estate. You will want higher resolutions if you want to see more of your work. Interestingly, going multiple monitors is increasingly becoming the standard way of working as it allows you to have a track view on one screen and a console/mixer view on the other - a very efficient way of working sometimes. One more thing, audio applications DO NOT need flashy 3D graphics capabilities but often require very good 2D performance; Matrox vidcards are often good in this regard.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: redcomet_m on April 24, 2007, 07:32:15 PM
thanks sir kit

ive searched among the plethora of local websites and ive summed up the items indicated and came up with a conservative estimate. The CPU alone will cost you round 40k-ish. pretty decent so here are the candidates:

2.16GHZ core2duo:     11500
gigabyte 965GM-S2:      7400
GEIL 2GB PC-533:         7000
Seagate   160x2:          6000
                 320:             5000
INNO3D GT 7300LE:      2300


total:   39K smackers

Again this is pretty conservative, you could still trim this down if you decide to settle for Pentium D or AMD AM2, or get one IDE DISK so you would have enough leg room to buy a new monitor if you dont want to use your ol' crappy crt monitor. Man sarap magbuo :) though my purpose is very much different than this, pegging my choice around 55k, i felt that pro audio and pro graphics isnt that very far apart in terms of budgeting a workstation.

Anyway, we could still argue on this since there might be issues.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 26, 2007, 11:54:45 AM
Nice specs!

Is that an E6400? You might want to check out the E6x20 series as well as the E4420. From what I've been reading lately, these are going to be priced quite close to the existing E6x00 series and will feature larger L2 cache, which also means that the older 6x00 should be experiencing a price drop! This is a good time to go C2D.

The Gigabyte is a nice board but has only 2 pci slots. I tend to favor at least 3 pci slots especially if your soundcards are still pci based. If you are using firewire, get a TI-based firewire card since most onboard firewire is based on the problematic Via chipset. Gigabyte, I believe, uses TI firewire chips but I've read about some lower end Gigabyte mobos that do not, so YMMV. The Gigabyte P965-DS3 is a good 3-slot mobo; don't confuse it with the DS3P mobo which eschews one pci slot in favor of another 16x pcie slot, an allusion to dual video Crossfire support.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: bindoy on April 26, 2007, 12:01:02 PM
peace redcomet_m  pls see PM..gbu
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: redcomet_m on April 26, 2007, 01:08:41 PM
Youre right Kit, prices of these chips will definitely go down since AMD will release new native  quad core that will compete with intels quad, although AMD will first release Server type chips, news like these shake the proc industry. If the new AMD chips perform as it should, we could possibly anticipate intel upping the ante by releasing much smaller and faster chips, and if that happens, who knows, we might see quad core chips priced at say...20-24k.

The only downside is if they change the slots of the mobos, but thats a different issue.

Hmm 2 pci slots...well i would like em clean and lean but anyway its just a matter of preference and consider the size of audiocards(professional) that youll insert. You would want to put some distance between em and the Vid card. Its always good to let those things breathe.

Anyway regarding PC wirefire, im always finnicky on them on-board firewire. Id rather have something 3rd party like SIIG or ADS PYRO, but theyre pricey and hard to find locally.

To add, i didnt include a power supply, i dunno if 300watts is enough, though based on experiece id buy a decent powersupply paired with a reliable UPS. So maybe 10k more on that prized estimate
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: xjepoyx on April 26, 2007, 01:16:31 PM
AMD Quads will be release in Socket F format. It'll take a few more months before they release the AM2 versions of AMD Barcelona.

Re: PSU's Dual Cores and specially Quad Cores... YOU NEED more than 500watts.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 26, 2007, 01:45:05 PM
jplacson mentioned you can find Lacie FW cards at Mac stores. I'm not exactly sure if they're TI chipsets but Lacie's tend to be reliable.

I was looking prices for the E4300 and was pleased to find them already in the P6k range with the E6320 already listed at P9k. The New Barcelona core will definitely make dual core prices drop and maybe even Intel's QX cores will plunge soon. Pretty soon, somebody will be making 16-core cpus that will give rise to the T1000 Terminator. (Ah'll be bahk!  8-) )

I long for those days when pci cards like the Aardvard were shielded from internal EMI and RFI, looks like external is the way to go. For sheer track count, pci is still the game in town; I just wonder why it's taking manufacturers a long time to make pcie versions... I predict the next NAMM or Musik Messe  will bring out pcie flavors of soundcards. My guess, though, is that pcie performance is really slanted towards video which is why audio manufacturers are slow in putting out pcie soundcards and mostly concentrating on FW and USB2.0 versions; less hassle in trying to fight head on with video.

As for onboard FW? It seems RME have done a good job adapting their Fireface 800/400 to Via firewire but like all things with Via and audio, YMMV. I'd rather go the safe route and get a TI chipset anytime. AFAIK, the Gigabyte mobos usually feature TI firewire chipsets, one of the reasons the Gigabytes are so appealing to me; got my sights set on their P965-DS3 or DQ6 (which is 2 slots but I researched its IRQ allocations already), my other alternative is the Asus P5B Deluxe or even the P5B-E (I much rather prefer the P5WDH though). A dark horse in the running is the DFI Infinity P965 Dark-S which is quite inexpensive; although more known for gaming, DFI boards have very good overclocking potential plus it has 3 pci slots. A much darker horse is the Asus Commando RoG P965 mobo which has 4  :-o pci slots! This mobo is decidedly built for gaming so I can't comment on how well it will mesh with audio. Tempting though...

Get a 500W branded PSU, you won't regret it. I have a CM 350W PSU and a HEC 500W, my present A64 3200+ MSI Neo2 Plat behaves much better at 500 watts than at 350, and that's with 2 drives and 2 soundcards (Emu 1820m and DSP Factory). The new C2D are recommended at 500w to begin with.

UPS are a necessity now. A sudden blackout the other day made it clear how lucky i was to have my APC. Even a battery backup will do; I use the APC ES500 and it has saved me thru a lot of power outages - my hard disks love me for it..
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 26, 2007, 01:53:25 PM
Jepoy! Hay nako! Another socket in the mix... :roll: I wonder what Socket G, H, I... and Z will look like (Socket Z feat. 1M pinless, cube-core design with liquid nitrogen cooling :lol: ).
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: xjepoyx on April 26, 2007, 10:08:13 PM
Jepoy! Hay nako! Another socket in the mix... :roll: I wonder what Socket G, H, I... and Z will look like (Socket Z feat. 1M pinless, cube-core design with liquid nitrogen cooling :lol: ).

uu nga eh! GAS Attack na naman to malamang! hehehe
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: stanley on April 29, 2007, 05:08:31 AM
sir kit, give me an overview of how a raw material( after ma record sa track ) goes to finish product, produce good dynamic processing. i dont have any hardware effects, mga plug-ins ang gamit ko.
 
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 29, 2007, 10:32:58 AM
stanley,

Seeing as this thread is for setting up a pc recording solution, it would be better if you started a new thread or maybe even just read through some of the previous threads. Your scenario is usually called In-The-Box (ITB) mixing by some publications and a lot of people work in that manner and produce good results. The subject is very broad, however, and it will easily take up quite a few pages. Have a look through the Tweakheadz guides, especially the part on mixing (http://tweakheadz.com/perfect_mix.html) and surf on over to the Bruce A. Miller Audio Course (http://bruceamiller.us/bamaudioschool_com/index.html) (don't worry, it's free). Also, try to get some copies of Mix, Recording, Sound on Sound, and other music publications since they often have articles on mixing and mastering.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: stanley on May 03, 2007, 02:10:22 AM
thank u Master Kit,  got it , also i have some Recording Magz
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: bindoy on May 03, 2007, 09:55:33 AM
stanley,

Seeing as this thread is for setting up a pc recording solution, it would be better if you started a new thread or maybe even just read through some of the previous threads. Your scenario is usually called In-The-Box (ITB) mixing by some publications and a lot of people work in that manner and produce good results. The subject is very broad, however, and it will easily take up quite a few pages. Have a look through the Tweakheadz guides, especially the part on [/url=http://tweakheadz.com/perfect_mix.html]mixing[/url] and surf on over to the Bruce A. Miller Audio Course (http://bruceamiller.us/bamaudioschool_com/index.html) (don't worry, it's free). Also, try to get some copies of Mix, Recording, Sound on Sound, and other music publications since they often have articles on mixing and mastering.

salamat po dito sir kitC...grabe...malaking tulong to....gbu
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: stanley on May 04, 2007, 04:20:57 AM
Sir Kit C, i see that u are a Sonar guy also, what is best and compatible soundcard/interface to my Sonar 6, yung affordable he-he-he.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 04, 2007, 10:09:21 AM
Sir Kit C, i see that u are a Sonar guy also, what is best and compatible soundcard/interface to my Sonar 6, yung affordable he-he-he.

I would like to say that I seem to have gravitated more towards Sonar recently simply because it's midi features were what I found to be compatible with the way I work; I've no qualms about using other DAW software since their functionalities are similar anyway.

I have had success using soundblasters with Sonar, if affordable is foremost in your requirements. The M-Audio 2496 is also quite stable with the added bonus that it lets you use PT MP. As long as you are not simultaneously multitracking more than 2 channels, these 2 cards will definitely do the job. Soundblasters have an added bonus in that they use soundfonts natively, but you can download rgcaudio's sfz, a free soundfont player if you decide on something other than a 'blaster.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: stanley on May 05, 2007, 04:04:12 AM
tenks a lot Sir Kit.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 06, 2007, 11:08:50 AM
Welcome, Stanley.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Boddhisattva on May 08, 2007, 08:05:50 AM
Kit,

I bought an Emu 1212 and have been using it since last month just for listening (not yet for recording). One time I tried to use Sonar LE, the bundled software and I realized that it wouldn't sound off midi files because there was no softsynth installed. 3650guy tried to help me install his softsynth but we were not successful.  Any tips?

WENDEL
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 08, 2007, 09:44:02 AM
Wendel,

Since the Emu has no onboard soundfont synth, you could use the Roland TTS-1 built into Sonar (does the LE version have it?). Load the tutorial, open the DXi rack and load TTS-1, then assign all midi tracks to TTS-1.

You can 'fool' Sonar into making it default to using using the first softsynth it loads by making sure NO MIDI OUTPUT DEVICES are activated or highlighted in Midi Options. Now, whenever you load a tutorial then load TTS-1, all midi tracks will be assigned to the softsynth. This behavior will be lost whenever you activate a midi output port in Midi Options, however. If you need to have permanent hardware midi output configuration, esp. if you have a lot of midi ports, just create a template project file with TTS-1 (or whatever softsynth you have) already loaded and pre-assigned to midi tracks.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Boddhisattva on May 08, 2007, 10:43:33 AM
Teynks Kit. Tagal na natin di nagkikita.

Bought the 1212 for 150$. Good deal na, no?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: stratman1 on May 08, 2007, 12:50:17 PM
Anyone used UAD-1 here? Comments?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 08, 2007, 01:13:25 PM
Teynks Kit. Tagal na natin di nagkikita.

Bought the 1212 for 150$. Good deal na, no?

Very good deal, Wendel. Sayang lang you missed out on their $99 sale. did you get the newer v2 version? you can tell its v2 if it has no firewire port. were you able to configure it properly? kung medyo nahihilo ka na sa patchmix, just give me a call.

@stratman1 - try PMing or calling starfugger. she's a known UAD user.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Boddhisattva on May 08, 2007, 01:25:24 PM
Double yata price ng 1212 dito. No firewire port so it must be a v2. I missed out on the 120$ sale, pero ok pa rin. Nakakahilo nga patchmix, but I'll give it a try. I'll call you if I'm unsuccessful.

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 08, 2007, 01:39:31 PM
You know the secret to patchmix? Just think of the sends as audio patchcords to sound application. Asio sends route audio to asio driven applications while the lone wave send is for wdm/directsound applications. If you want to keep your outputs simple, just have a single wave and asio output strip, and that's it!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: stanley on May 09, 2007, 04:08:32 AM
Sir kit.   can a Soundblaster for Sonar give a professional sound result.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 09, 2007, 10:33:13 AM
Sir kit.   can a Soundblaster for Sonar give a professional sound result.

If you mean truly professional, no. It's the soundcard's analog-to-digital converters that are important for professional sounding results. Soundblaster's typically use consumer oriented parts (translated: low cost) which often have passable performance, and their clocks have a relatively high amount of jitter in comparison with cards dedicated to recording. The first thing you will notice when going from a soundblaster to a 'pro' card is lower noise floor, better stereo imaging and more detail.

Does this mean you can't record with a blaster? No. You can make demo quality recordings with it. If your recording is mostly midi/softsynths/soundfonts with minimal audio recording, the soundblaster will fit that bill very well.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: stanley on May 10, 2007, 04:36:26 AM
Yes sir kit, most of my recordings are midi, softsynth from roland and cakewalk TTS, i use Reason rewire for drums, ang audio recording ko lang ay sa vocal and guitar. sir kindly explain 2 me the soundcard analog 2 digital converter, and what type of soundcard/brand that give a "pro" sound result. GBU.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 10, 2007, 10:46:09 AM
Lets start with the input side, the A/D converters. Very good cards usually have a very high signal to noise ratio (SNR), allowing you to accurately capture detail at very low volumes; important when you want to capture very dynamic performances without capturing circuit noise along with it. Movement of electrons in a circuit always generates noise and high quality components and very good circuit design minimize this noise. Consumer soundcards were not designed for audio capture in the first place; they were designed mainly for playback and often are optimized to deload a cpu during gaming. That's right, a soundblaster is designed to give you better framerates for your favorite games.

Pro soundcards also have the ability to capture at high sample rates, very important for detail esp. in the high frequencies. One more thing, drivers are essential with a pro soundcard. Creative asio drivers often have poor audio recording performance that's why enthusiasts (like kxproject) have developed drivers with better performance - it will not overstep the soundblaster's converters, however.

On the output side, consumer cards were meant for ADEQUATE playback performance; the ordinary consumer will not hear detail that most pro cards are capable of. Why is detail important? When you are mixing music, it is supposed to be played back from a lowly mp3 player up to seriously audiophile hifi speakers. Guess what kind of speakers the critics and reviewers usually own. You also want the soundcard to reproduce faithfully what was recorded.

What soundcard will give a pro sounding result? That's not so easy to answer as all will state that theirs give professional results; consult published and online reviews so you can make an educated decision.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: stanley on May 10, 2007, 03:26:19 PM
very well said, if i decide 2 go for pro soundcard/interface, my sequencer should also be replace bcause of compatibility, ganun  ba sir?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: spazzkid on May 11, 2007, 01:29:22 AM
very well said, if i decide 2 go for pro soundcard/interface, my sequencer should also be replace bcause of compatibility, ganun  ba sir?
if youre using reason, FL, cubase, etc for sequencing theres no need to replace it as it will support a higher end soundcard/interface.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: stanley on May 12, 2007, 02:53:57 AM
ok tenks sir Kit & spazz.., aside from MAudio 2496, any other interface na compatible sa Sonar,  then later to go on online review.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: spazzkid on May 12, 2007, 03:47:38 AM
if youre on a really tight budget, theres a usb audio interface yung "behringer uca202" which is cheap and would suffice for your needs. i think they go for around 2.5k+, it should work on any DAW or Sequencer.  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jv21 on May 12, 2007, 06:59:30 AM
sir kitz, to be more specific, pde po b kaung magbigay ng example ng isang magandang pc set up? or kau ba sir ano po gmet nyo? anong soundcard, speaker, processor, etc..


tnx a lot!

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 12, 2007, 11:17:15 AM
sir kitz, to be more specific, pde po b kaung magbigay ng example ng isang magandang pc set up? or kau ba sir ano po gmet nyo? anong soundcard, speaker, processor, etc..

past systems include:

pentium 166 mmx (upped to 233) with 64 megs sram, Intel 430 tx, soundblaster awe32 and sblive, cakewalk PA8
athlon xp 1700+ asus A7n266vm, 256 megs ddr, sblive from previous system, Sonar 4 & Cubase SL2
sempron 2600+ msi k7n2 delta ilsr, 512 megs geil ddr, terratec dmx 6fire & sblive, Sonar 4 & Cubase SL2

present system: msi k8n neo2 platinum, athlon64 3200+, 512 megs geil, emu 1820m yamaha dsp factory 2416, Sonar 4PE 5PE 6PE, Project 5 V2, Cubase SL2, Samplitude V8 SE, Cubase VST 5.1, EmulatorX V1.5

future planned system: core 2 duo (maybe 4300 muna) based on gigabyte ga965P dq6
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: gjuanengo on May 12, 2007, 12:27:08 PM
(Being the Geek that I am, I would Like to contribute)

Setting up a DAW.

1. Start with the components, always try to get the components with the LOWEST LATENCY possible; that includes ram my boys. (Not only do gamers need fast ram, so do DAWS)

2. Start with no less than 1GB of ram, you'll need the buffer space. I have 2GB in my machine and sometimes it does run low when doing heavy processing.

3. Get a RAID array. RAID 0 for speed on your main drive (i.e. the system drive) to speed up disk activity and will help take some stress of the ram. Remember, the faster the data gets into the disk, the better. (since it takes the stress off the RAM)

4. QUIET COOLING. Youre running an audio station, you need silence. Dont go with generic fans, try to get fans with fluid bearings or dual ball bearings at the very least. (Panaflo gans win here) and try to get big fans that turn slower, since the pump out the same amount or more air at less noise.

5. Setup your BIOS properly. Turn off shadowing, as this improves performance for games, adds more latency to other devices (i.e. PCI BUS, which takes the heat for audio).

6. Disable devices that you dont use, less devices equals more processing power free for use.

7. Turn off fancy graphics. The less graphics your screen has to display, the more ram and processor power you have free for more important tasks.

8. Turn off system sounds and alerts. same reason.

9. Try to get components with the LEAST amount of onboard convenience. (i.e. onboard video is a no-no, it runs the processing through the CPU before the VGA. Onboard sound is also a no-no,  youre using a high-end or at least an upgrade card, you dont need audio)

10. Place the Sound card/device on the FARTHEST pci slot available, this distances it from the video card (which does produce quite a lot of noise) and keeps it isolated from the noisier devices up in that region of the mobo.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 12, 2007, 02:33:38 PM
Nice points, gjuanengo, but I'd like to point out a couple of things:

Raid is nice to have for fast HD throughput, but not entirely necessary for audio unless you are streaming loads of samples from HD or your magnum opus is already 120 tracks of 24/96 audio and counting. Video has a higher demand on HD throughput so a raid array is much more needed there. What is completely necessary is having more than 1 drive in your daw. I commonly have 1 drive for system and at least 1 drive for audio data (2 is preferable for backup purposes). I also backup important data to cd or dvd, but the jury is still out on how long data can be archived to these media.

Placing the audio card on the farthest slot is ok IF that slot isn't sharing an IRQ with video, which most motherboards commonly do. What better is to refer to the mobo manual and the IRQ allocation tables which sometimes indicate which slot isn't sharing an IRQ with any onboard device. IF there is no IRQ tble, then you will have to do that manually by swapping slots until the soundcard gets it's own unshared IRQ. Geeky stuff, I know, but necessary if you want your recording pc to be glitch-free.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jv21 on May 12, 2007, 02:58:32 PM
tnx for the info guys..

may kilala po b kaung pdeng mag-tutor sa kin personally sa pag set up ng hardwares for home recording? tnx.. (please quote me na din po how much will it cost me to have a tutor..

philmusic rocks!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: pipo on May 12, 2007, 11:21:12 PM
ok tenks sir Kit & spazz.., aside from MAudio 2496, any other interface na compatible sa Sonar,  then later to go on online review.

^^^ako din mga bossing.sana yung available locally and affordable with great performance.
meron bang EDIROL dito saten?ok yung power studio 25 eh.

tnx mga masters! :lol:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 12, 2007, 11:32:20 PM
^^^ako din mga bossing.sana yung available locally and affordable with great performance.
meron bang EDIROL dito saten?ok yung power studio 25 eh.

tnx mga masters! :lol:

Unfortunately, walang local distro ng  Cakewalk products unless you count your local cdrom vendor.  :| Cakewalk's Power Studio 25 is merely Edirol's UA-25 packaged with Cakewalk's Sonar Studio Edition.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: gjuanengo on May 13, 2007, 12:30:29 AM
Nice points, gjuanengo, but I'd like to point out a couple of things:

Raid is nice to have for fast HD throughput, but not entirely necessary for audio unless you are streaming loads of samples from HD or your magnum opus is already 120 tracks of 24/96 audio and counting. Video has a higher demand on HD throughput so a raid array is much more needed there. What is completely necessary is having more than 1 drive in your daw. I commonly have 1 drive for system and at least 1 drive for audio data (2 is preferable for backup purposes). I also backup important data to cd or dvd, but the jury is still out on how long data can be archived to these media.

Placing the audio card on the farthest slot is ok IF that slot isn't sharing an IRQ with video, which most motherboards commonly do. What better is to refer to the mobo manual and the IRQ allocation tables which sometimes indicate which slot isn't sharing an IRQ with any onboard device. IF there is no IRQ tble, then you will have to do that manually by swapping slots until the soundcard gets it's own unshared IRQ. Geeky stuff, I know, but necessary if you want your recording pc to be glitch-free.

Hence me saying to disable all the other unused devices. This frees up IRQs.

Also, my mobo (and all the previous ones) are VIA powered Asus boards, quite good latency wise.

And the onboard raid controller is quite nice, hardly touches the processor.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 13, 2007, 01:34:05 AM

Hence me saying to disable all the other unused devices. This frees up IRQs.


In some ways, yes, this works however most present-day mobos 'hardwire' specific IRQs to specific slots to specific devices. Mobo designers and manufacturers assume that most consumers of their mobos will most likely use onboard devices rather than buy an expansion card, and the designers are usually right. Unfortunately, DAW users only represent a very small percentage of overall mobo users so I don't see a DAW specific mobo being designed any time soon.

Often, you will find USB and 1394 controllers sharing IRQs with specific slots; unfortunately most peripherals are usb-based while audio interfaces come in usb2/firewire flavors. Sometimes even raid controllers share an IRQ with a particular slot. With AGP/5 pci-slot mobos, you will often find that slots 1 and 5 share an IRQ with the AGP slot, that's why it's often not advisable to place the soundcard in the farthest slot from the vidcard. With PCIe, IRQ allocation becomes a different ballgame altogether. As main moderator at Productionforums.com, I often encounter IRQ sharing issues with pcie-based mobos often exacerbated by ACPI's handling of IRQ assignments.

Used to be you could assign an IRQ to a particular pci slot but modern BIOSes don't allow that anymore. Disabling unused ports like COM and LPT ports will not necessarily free up an IRQ for your soundcard because of the nature of their 'hardwiring' design, but will free up precious cpu cycles.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: pipo on May 13, 2007, 12:23:06 PM
sir yung "m-audio fast track usb" sa jb music?
6.8k sya.ok po ba sound & performance nun?
or any other alternatives/suggestions?

tnx. :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 13, 2007, 01:00:39 PM
sir yung "m-audio fast track usb" sa jb music?
6.8k sya.ok po ba sound & performance nun?
or any other alternatives/suggestions?

tnx. :-)

It's ok for an interface; I haven't heard anything bad about it - it now comes with 32-bit vista drivers too. Nice price considering it costs $129 list (good show, JB!) Note that it doesn't do midi just in case you require a midi connection. As for other alternatives, not much in terms of usb audio interfaces locally, but quite a lot abroad if you intend to acquire from there.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jose roberto on June 01, 2007, 09:01:46 AM
Woohooo! A thread dedicated for PC Recording!  :-)

A few questions, of course  :-D

I want to record my songs on my PC, what do I do. A blow by blow account would be wonderful.  :-)
where do I plug my guitar/amp/effects on the PC?  I have an Adobe Audtion 1.5, is it good as a basic music recording software? I want to lay down bass, drums, keyboards (or even horns!) on the guitar tracks, is it possible without having these instruments at my disposal? (the Audition has them  :-D). any reply would be highly appreciated. Thanks.


here is my current( humble) PC set up

AMD Athlon XP 2000+
Asus A7V8X-X mobo ( S/PDIF, USB inputs)
1 Gb DDR 333Mhz Ram
128mb Asus FX5200 Videocard
40Gb WD HDD 5400 rpm
NEC DVD WRITER
1394 PCI Firewire card

My music rig set up
Ibanez AR250
Crate GX-40C
KORG G1


Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 01, 2007, 09:48:36 AM
I want to record my songs on my PC, what do I do. A blow by blow account would be wonderful.  :-)
where do I plug my guitar/amp/effects on the PC?

jose roberto,

Judging from your pc specs, you didn't mention a soundcard so I assume your pc has onboard sound. While you can record using onboard sound, remember that it is bound by the following limitations:

a. Not-so-great sound quality. Motherboards are built to a price specification and sound often takes a backseat  so don't expect high quality converters here. There will he higher noise levels and the line in usually doubles as part of the 5.1 or 7.1 output so operation of the inputs is a compromise.

b. Limited sample rate capability. It's either 44.1 or 48 kHz... 96 kHz? Forget it! Plus, if the mobo has s/pdif, it's almost always an output operating at 48 kHz ONLY.

c. Analog I/O is in 1/8" stereo jacks. Not the most robust of connections plus these are prone to component failures when repeatedly inserting and removing the plugs; this is due to the way the sockets are soldered onto the board. You can get around this by making a sort of 'breakout' extension cable that puts the strain of repeated removal and insertions (necessary when you have a lot of gear but only one pair of inputs) on the breakout. Some use a small mixer to act as a breakout.

That said, get a good soundcard if you want to sound better. Better yet, get a soundcard designed for audio recording. Soundblasters are a good place to start but are not really meant for serious recording, but will do for demos. The M-Audio brand is very good for recording and has a range to suit most budgets.

I'm not sure if you can plug your G1 direct since I can't find any reference to it on the net. I'm sure it was meant for direct connection to an amp; if it has a designated line out, you can plug that into your mixer/soundcard. If in doubt, use it's headphone connection instead, but watch out for levels!

To do a blow-by-blow here might make this post inordinately too long, but the short of it is to connect your signals to your inputs and to watch out for levels! If it's too loud, reduce volume at the source, not at the soundcard input. Another thing to consider is how you are monitoring (or listening) to what is coming into your soundcard; whats the point of recording if you can't hear it? Again, if you are still relying on onboard sound, remember the old computer axiom, G-I-G-O.

Sign up for the PC Recording workshop we have planned for the 9th. You might learn a trick or 2.

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: stilljey on June 01, 2007, 05:22:06 PM
mag sign-up ka na bro.  sulit ito para sa ating mga baguhan... 8-).....dalawa na lang.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jose roberto on June 02, 2007, 10:34:08 AM
Thanks a lot, sir KitC!  :-)

I got a basic creative PCI soundcard. I am still thinking if I need to buy a M-audio soundcard ( I am just doing demos).

Checking out my specs, i got this small stereo jack already for my soundcard inputs(analog). The Crate Amp has a line out input at the back. The G1 has a line out/phone input. For the monitoring situation, do I need to buy a 5.1 speaker system (my board has 5.1 capabilities) or the basic 2.1 would do? Again, thanks for the responses  :-)

about the PC recording workshop, what are the details? salamat :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 02, 2007, 11:40:43 AM

Checking out my specs, i got this small stereo jack already for my soundcard inputs(analog). The Crate Amp has a line out input at the back. The G1 has a line out/phone input. For the monitoring situation, do I need to buy a 5.1 speaker system (my board has 5.1 capabilities) or the basic 2.1 would do? Again, thanks for the responses  :-)

about the PC recording workshop, what are the details? salamat :-)

You might say I'm quite familiar with the Creative card's capabilities and they are quite capable of making good demos. As a matter of fact, I seem to have made more of my original music on a soundblaster than with what I have now. Go figure....   If your equipment has line level outputs, it should interface ok with the soundcard's line level inputs.

Do you need a 5.1 system? Only if the format you are going to deliver to a client is 5.1, until then, stereo is still the most common format. Get a good set of monitors. I can't stress enough how important it is to be able to hear all the nuances of a mix. Computer speakers are often hyped in the upper and lower frequencies in the familiar smiley EQ curve. This may force you to over compensate in the mid-frequencies making your final mixes honky sounding. Although you can get used to the sound of such speaker, I find that monitors with unhyped response curves often allow you to make better mixing decisions.

The workshop details is in the Audio Engineering workshop thread put up by edgeofillsion_jepoy. It will be held at BAMF's BAMFx/P.I.M.P. studios located at Sto. Domingo St. cor. Calamba on June 9.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jose roberto on June 04, 2007, 07:44:59 AM
Thanks for the inputs!  :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: xjepoyx on June 05, 2007, 03:53:29 AM
@jose roberto

heres the link of the said thread re: workshop.

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,48389.0.html
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: melvslowhand on June 09, 2007, 05:39:12 AM
 hello everyone, question lang po. why can't i do internal recordings with my audiophile 192? meron na po ba nakagamit sa inyo nito, or 2496 siguro for that matter. the problem is i use gigastudio 2.54 and i don't know any other option of bouncing except to record it in real time. i only have 1 pc so i have to do it within the same pc. i remember using blaster audigy and it had a feature of recording "what you hear". help po from anyone, tahnks po.

melvin
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 09, 2007, 08:16:36 PM
With 'what-you-hear', you will still have to record in real time. Doesn't the M-Audio come with GSIF drivers?

Unfortunately, until Gigastudio acts like a vst (which I think is the case with Gigastudio 3), you will have to render in realtime.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: bindoy on June 10, 2007, 09:06:55 PM
OT astig set up nung sabado...dalawang PC>...


ang lupet ng gamit...pwede sample dito sa sticky thread na to..
Mohawk! nakuhanan mo ba ung set up nung sabado?post mo naman...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: marcowpg3 on June 11, 2007, 12:36:18 PM
mga sir/ma'am

im planning to set up a home recording studio. ano ang recommended recording materials nyo, yung medyo mura lang? im looking at musicians friend.com and maraming murang equipment dun. so far, im getting mostly M AUDIO equipment,

Monitors: Studio Pro 3 desktop audio monitors,
Soundcard: Audiophile 2496 PCI digital audio card,
Interface: FireWire 410 computer recording interface,
Software: Pro tools 7 or Sonar 6

ok na ba ito for home recording? yung PC will be dedicated to recording lang.
ano ang advice ninyo na ok na equipment? yung pwde maidagdag or palitan dito sa mga pinost ko...  TNX!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 11, 2007, 12:58:13 PM
@marcowpg3 - lose the 2496 since you already have the Firewire 410. You might want to consider the 1814 if you want more simultaneous inputs since the 410 has a disappointing number of analog inputs. The Delta 44, 66 and 1010 offer a lot more simultaneous analog inputs if that is your preference. You might consider adding a mixer if you choose to get a 4 or 6 input interface since routing now becomes a necessity.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: marcowpg3 on June 11, 2007, 01:19:46 PM
ah so kahit walang soundcard, ok na yun because of the interface? sige ill try to get the 1814, medyo mahal kasi dagdag ako ng almost 200$.. on top of that, sesetup ko palang yung PC for recording kasi...pero kung hindi na kailangan soundcard, i might get the 1814!

and for the PC processor, ok na ba ang compatibility ng AMD, or should i go for Intel core duo?

ito bang set up nato, pang demo quality lang ba ito?
psensya na sir beginner lang kasi ako pag dating sa digital recording kaya dami ko tanong hehehe!!
salamat sir Kit!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 11, 2007, 01:32:17 PM
To clarify lang, a soundcard IS an audio interface. In essence, the 410 will become the soundcard, even if it is external. The beauty of external interfaces is their portability, meaning you can move them from one computer to another without having to open up the pc and installing a card and worrying about IRQs.

Firewire and USB2 are the emerging standards while only a pcie soundcards are coming out. Personally I prefer firewire because of the lower cpu loading. The 1814 is nice , you might want to consider Presonus' Firebox, which goes for the same price as the 410 and has more I/O; the Firepod will give you 8 analog inputs for $399. Unfortunately, the Presonus offerings are not compatible with Pro Tools, you might have to stick with M-audio products if that is a requirement.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: marcowpg3 on June 11, 2007, 01:50:53 PM
ah ok, tnx!! yun nga eh, medyo comfortable ako sa pro tools, kaya i might stick with M Audio muna sa ngayon..

thank u very much for the info!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 11, 2007, 02:03:35 PM
and for the PC processor, ok na ba ang compatibility ng AMD, or should i go for Intel core duo?

As much as I like AMD, things are not going so well for them in light of Barcelona and Phenom. The undoubted kings of performance right now are Intel C2D's and quads. The problem with M-audio, however, are Vista drivers so consider that before making your mobo choice. If you want a no nonsense firewire on your mobo, consider Gigabyte which has TI firewire chipsets on their higher end mobos.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: marcowpg3 on June 12, 2007, 08:08:17 AM
sir Kit, isa pang question hehehe...
About audio PC's that are dedicated solely for recording, anong maadvice nyo na specs? yung motherboard, vid card, soundcard, memory, power supply wattage etc... pero keep in mind na medyo limited budget lang ako hehehehe! and im sticking with XP sa ngayon..tnx ulit!

and ano mas preferred nyo, Sonar or Pro Tools? Im thinking of getting Pro tools 7.3, kasi yun ang madalas namin ginagamit sa studio. pero ngayon kasi im using Sonar 6 Producer Ed sa home PC ko...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: marcowpg3 on June 12, 2007, 05:48:27 PM
sir kit eto yung mga specs na tinitignan ko, ok ba ito?
-Win XP
-Intel 3.0 Ghz Dual Core
- Intel D965 GCCLR motherboard (with firewire)
-1 gig memory
  tapos may on board video and audio yung motherboard (ok na ba yung audio nitong mobo?)
(compatible naman ito with Pro Tools or Sonar diba?)
Tnx!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jun_gats on June 15, 2007, 11:46:53 AM
sir Kitc,

what can you say about the sb x-fi elite pro or an m-audio sound card? btw whats a good mic to record from a gutiar amp. I just want to create a decent demo. What do you suggest? Thanks
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Phil on June 16, 2007, 03:02:36 AM
sir Kitc,

what can you say about the sb x-fi elite pro or an m-audio sound card? btw whats a good mic to record from a gutiar amp. I just want to create a decent demo. What do you suggest? Thanks
e609s
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Phil on June 16, 2007, 03:04:02 AM
sir kit eto yung mga specs na tinitignan ko, ok ba ito?
-Win XP
-Intel 3.0 Ghz Dual Core
- Intel D965 GCCLR motherboard (with firewire)
-1 gig memory
  tapos may on board video and audio yung motherboard (ok na ba yung audio nitong mobo?)
(compatible naman ito with Pro Tools or Sonar diba?)
Tnx!
I would go for at least 2 Gb of memory.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: marcowpg3 on June 16, 2007, 03:57:25 PM
ok salamat sir phil!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: hugaspaso78 on June 17, 2007, 12:26:39 AM
Hello po Sirs,

Your impression po for the Zoom G2.1u guitar effects with USB interface as recording gear. Sa tingin nyo its decent enough for those with tight budget? I used un Cubase for recording, me latency po sya pero kung bypassed naman e pede mo marinig sya real time. Pede rin sya sa vocals using a decent mic lang.
Meron po ba kayong better setup for budget as tight as un mgagastos mo for this setup?

Thanks  :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 17, 2007, 01:54:15 PM
sir kit eto yung mga specs na tinitignan ko, ok ba ito?
-Win XP
-Intel 3.0 Ghz Dual Core
- Intel D965 GCCLR motherboard (with firewire)
-1 gig memory
  tapos may on board video and audio yung motherboard (ok na ba yung audio nitong mobo?)
(compatible naman ito with Pro Tools or Sonar diba?)
Tnx!

Yes. This will work.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 17, 2007, 01:55:39 PM
sir Kitc,

what can you say about the sb x-fi elite pro or an m-audio sound card? btw whats a good mic to record from a gutiar amp. I just want to create a decent demo. What do you suggest? Thanks

I'd choose the M-Audio. Phil's reco on the e609 is recommended as well.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 17, 2007, 01:58:28 PM
Hello po Sirs,

Your impression po for the Zoom G2.1u guitar effects with USB interface as recording gear. Sa tingin nyo its decent enough for those with tight budget? I used un Cubase for recording, me latency po sya pero kung bypassed naman e pede mo marinig sya real time. Pede rin sya sa vocals using a decent mic lang.
Meron po ba kayong better setup for budget as tight as un mgagastos mo for this setup?

Thanks  :-)

If you have a small mixer, try routing the analog output of the Zoom and Cubase into the mixer so that you have zero latency hardware monitoring. Turn off input monitoring in the guitar track to prevent phasing while recording.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jun_gats on June 19, 2007, 10:38:23 AM
sir Kitc,

what can you say about the sb x-fi elite pro or an m-audio sound card? btw whats a good mic to record from a gutiar amp. I just want to create a decent demo. What do you suggest? Thanks
e609s

thanks sir Phil
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jun_gats on June 19, 2007, 10:47:17 AM
sir Kitc,

what can you say about the sb x-fi elite pro or an m-audio sound card? btw whats a good mic to record from a gutiar amp. I just want to create a decent demo. What do you suggest? Thanks

I'd choose the M-Audio. Phil's reco on the e609 is recommended as well.

Thanks sir Kitc
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: marcowpg3 on June 25, 2007, 11:28:50 AM
sir kit eto yung mga specs na tinitignan ko, ok ba ito?
-Win XP
-Intel 3.0 Ghz Dual Core
- Intel D965 GCCLR motherboard (with firewire)
-1 gig memory
  tapos may on board video and audio yung motherboard (ok na ba yung audio nitong mobo?)
(compatible naman ito with Pro Tools or Sonar diba?)
Tnx!

Yes. This will work.

tnx sir kit!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 25, 2007, 11:40:46 AM
sir kit eto yung mga specs na tinitignan ko, ok ba ito?
-Win XP
-Intel 3.0 Ghz Dual Core
- Intel D965 GCCLR motherboard (with firewire)
-1 gig memory
  tapos may on board video and audio yung motherboard (ok na ba yung audio nitong mobo?)
(compatible naman ito with Pro Tools or Sonar diba?)
Tnx!

Yes. This will work.

tnx sir kit!

I forgot to add. Protools needs specific hardware in order to run. You cannot use onboard audio for PT, only Sonar. From what I read, M-Audio's Jamlab interface is the cheapest way to get into PT, or you can use Digidesign's Mbox interface for PT LE. For the hardcore PT HD systems, I suggest checking for compatibility on the Digi site.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: axebass26 on July 16, 2007, 08:31:17 PM
sirs... the software i'm currently using is sony vegas 7.0... is this an okay software or should i use other software?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on July 16, 2007, 10:10:28 PM
Vegas is primarily an audio post production tool for video. While it can be used for recording, it might not have the necessary tools for other aspects of audio production such as midi. Browse the sticky on free plugins and software, there are links there to several free audio recording software. There are also time limited demos of Sonar and other software that you can download. Pay special attention to Reaper which is unexpiring shareware.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jun_gats on July 25, 2007, 06:55:28 AM
Sir, If I have a shure sm57 and an Maudio 2496 how do I connect it? is it just straight cable or do I need any additional hardware? tnx
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on July 25, 2007, 11:44:07 AM
Sir, If I have a shure sm57 and an Maudio 2496 how do I connect it? is it just straight cable or do I need any additional hardware? tnx

Get a mic preamp or a small mixer. Use the mixer to interface between the mic and your 2496.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jun_gats on July 26, 2007, 01:26:51 PM
thank you verymuch sir.  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jun_gats on August 12, 2007, 01:59:55 AM
Sir, If I have a shure sm57 and an Maudio 2496 how do I connect it? is it just straight cable or do I need any additional hardware? tnx

Get a mic preamp or a small mixer. Use the mixer to interface between the mic and your 2496.

sir from (mic)sm57 - (mixer) samson MDR6 6-Channel - (sound card) m-audio 2496 from (mixer) where do I connect the output since the soundcard needs an rca input? the only output on the mixer for rca is the cd output... do I need a special cable or converter? thanks
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 12, 2007, 10:54:44 AM
You can use the cd output but you lose master level control flexibility. Better to use the main outs or control room outs. You can use any rca-to-rca cable, just add those rca-to-PL (1/4" TS) adapters so you can connect those to the main/control room outs.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jun_gats on August 12, 2007, 09:01:45 PM
thanks sir kitc, pacenya na i'm a nube for setting things like this.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: carl20 on August 17, 2007, 05:01:52 PM
mga sir napadaan lng kasali po sa thread na to ung sa soundproofing? thanks po  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 19, 2007, 11:33:08 AM
mga sir napadaan lng kasali po sa thread na to ung sa soundproofing? thanks po  :-D

The thread title is specific, "Setting up your PC for Recording". There is already a thread re: soundproofing.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: stanley on August 31, 2007, 11:34:22 PM
sir, do i need a mic preamp if i already have a mixer ( behringer 1202) with built in mic preamp. thanks
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 01, 2007, 01:06:42 AM
sir, do i need a mic preamp if i already have a mixer ( behringer 1202) with built in mic preamp. thanks

Depends. If you're not happy with the sound of the 1202, you can get an external preamp that gives you the clarity and/or coloration that you want. Btw, I was reading a very unbiased review of the xenyx preamps and it compared favorably with the mackie XDR preamps.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: x_taxi on September 01, 2007, 01:21:23 AM
sir, do i need a mic preamp if i already have a mixer ( behringer 1202) with built in mic preamp. thanks

even the names rhyme:  xenyx = onyx?

seriously, you'll need to spend a lot more to have a noticeable performance advantage.  personally, i'd use it till it breaks.  then you'd most probably have learned and earned enough to move up to better preamps.

 :-) :-) :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 01, 2007, 01:23:51 AM
Oh! Not the Onyx, Vince! It's heads above the Xenyx by a wide margin. The XDR preamps are pre-onyx, usually found in the VLZ series mixers.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: x_taxi on September 01, 2007, 01:26:39 AM
oh those?  hehe.  my bad.

xdr din ba yun nasa mackie spike?

 :-) :-) :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 01, 2007, 01:35:18 AM
Yup! the spike does have xdr preamps. To be specific about the xenyx, look for the March 2007 issue of Recording. Even user reviews in some forums confirm this but, in general, they say the xenyx preamps are warmer and bigger, while the VLZ was a bit airier and had a more natural soundstage.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kremetory on September 02, 2007, 09:38:15 PM
Ok.... rather than set up a tutorial thread, let's make this into a Q & A sort of thread and the emphasis will be on setting up your PC regardless of the specs. Remember, however, that some pc configurations are not compatible with audio no matter what you do. Also remember that most pc's coming out today have a decided slant towards powerful video capabilities, something which often conflicts with glitch-free audio performance. If you are decided about great audio performance, you will have to give up great video performance (which means you will have to give up that 8800GTXProMillenium+1 and go for a considerably less powerful vidcard).

Q1: yah i've read this part and i was wondering if how does a high end video card would affect the audiocard of the pc??????
Q2: do you sell gears for recording like mixers and other pre-amps and amps that is not that expensive coz' im just new in this kind of business....hope you could help me out thanks.
Q3: what is SPDIF what is it for???
 
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: stanley on September 02, 2007, 11:47:21 PM
Yup! the spike does have xdr preamps. To be specific about the xenyx, look for the March 2007 issue of Recording. Even user reviews in some forums confirm this but, in general, they say the xenyx preamps are warmer and bigger, while the VLZ was a bit airier and had a more natural soundstage.

thanks sir kitC.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 03, 2007, 12:11:10 AM
Q1: yah i've read this part and i was wondering if how does a high end video card would affect the audiocard of the pc??????

While you can use a relatively powerful video card, bear in mind that audio also has stringent needs with regards to processing, that's why it's often recommended to use a less powerful vidcard. Video card manufacturers are sneaky... they know how to wring every last ounce of processing power from the cpu; everything from hogging the pci bus to throttling down other peripherals. That's why SLI and Crossfire capable motherboards are often not recommended for audio, and why I strongly advocate DAWs dedicated to audio processing.

Q2: do you sell gears for recording like mixers and other pre-amps and amps that is not that expensive coz' im just new in this kind of business....hope you could help me out thanks.

No, I don't sell gear... but I could recommend you to the 'good guys'.

Q3: what is SPDIF what is it for???
 
S/PDIF stands for Sony/Philips Digital InterFace. It is a digital audio protocol jointly developed by Sony and Philips for the transfer of audio signals digitally. It was originally a consumer format but has gained widespread acceptance in audio circles. It was originally an electrical format using unbalanced coax cables, but has since been adapted to optical transmission as well. Most semi-pro and pro soundcards (as well as some consumer gear) have s/pdif in one form or another.

hth,
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jv21 on September 03, 2007, 11:18:44 AM
sir Kit, i usually experience DROPOUTs whenevr i record. what usually triggers this? i only have 512mb of Ram. my kinalaman po ba to?  (im using SONAr 6.) tnx. : )
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 03, 2007, 11:48:09 AM
sir Kit, i usually experience DROPOUTs whenevr i record. what usually triggers this? i only have 512mb of Ram. my kinalaman po ba to?  (im using SONAr 6.) tnx. : )

Lot's of things can contribute to this but the first thing you should look at is if the soundcard is sharing an IRQ with something else. Open Device Manager then View > Resources by Type and expand the IRQ tree. You will see a list of IRQs and the soundcard SHOULD have it's own IRQ. If you are using onboard sound, sorry, there's only so much you can do with it, if you are using a soundblaster, it might be able to work with another device but at the expense of sound quality.

If your soundcard DOES share with another device, you will have to move it to another pci slot. Sorry, there's no other way about this since the ACPI protocol automates IRQ assignment and does not allow user assignment of IRQs. You will have to uninstall the soundcard in device manager, shutdown, then move it to another slot and re-install the card. Do this until you can dedicate an IRQ to the card. In some cases, if the card is sharing with usb, firewire, or the onboard NIC, you can disable those devices in bios if you don't use those features.

There are other causes for dropouts to such as hard disks in PIO mode, slow HD speeds or bottlenecks. Exceeding the capacity of the cpu can cause dropouts as well as buffer settings in the software. My advice, however is to make sure that all hardware is working properly at first, and only then should you consider making software adjustments.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jv21 on September 03, 2007, 12:08:11 PM
very well said sir.. thanks!  :-D anyway, im planning to purchase an M-audio Delta 1010 pci digital audio computer interface and a USB mixer. can i install the M-audio soundcard without un-installing the on board sound card? sorry 4 the stupid question. hehe  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kremetory on September 03, 2007, 09:22:22 PM
Lot's of things can contribute to this but the first thing you should look at is if the soundcard is sharing an IRQ with something else. Open Device Manager then View > Resources by Type and expand the IRQ tree. You will see a list of IRQs and the soundcard SHOULD have it's own IRQ. If you are using onboard sound, sorry, there's only so much you can do with it, if you are using a soundblaster, it might be able to work with another device but at the expense of sound quality.

If your soundcard DOES share with another device, you will have to move it to another pci slot. Sorry, there's no other way about this since the ACPI protocol automates IRQ assignment and does not allow user assignment of IRQs. You will have to uninstall the soundcard in device manager, shutdown, then move it to another slot and re-install the card. Do this until you can dedicate an IRQ to the card. In some cases, if the card is sharing with usb, firewire, or the onboard NIC, you can disable those devices in bios if you don't use those features.

There are other causes for dropouts to such as hard disks in PIO mode, slow HD speeds or bottlenecks. Exceeding the capacity of the cpu can cause dropouts as well as buffer settings in the software. My advice, however is to make sure that all hardware is working properly at first, and only then should you consider making software adjustments.

hey sir thanks a lot for helpin' me out
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 03, 2007, 10:02:55 PM
very well said sir.. thanks!  :-D anyway, im planning to purchase an M-audio Delta 1010 pci digital audio computer interface and a USB mixer. can i install the M-audio soundcard without un-installing the on board sound card? sorry 4 the stupid question. hehe  :-D

You can run a pci soundcard simultaneously with onboard sound. I just wonder why you would need a usb mixer.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jv21 on September 04, 2007, 09:27:30 AM
You can run a pci soundcard simultaneously with onboard sound. I just wonder why you would need a usb mixer.

im planing to put up a home recording studio sir. anyway, regarding setting up the pc for recording purposes, ok na po ba to:? (or if hnde, ano po mga kailangan upgrade aside from its RAM na 512MB lang..)

peNTIUM 4, 3.00  gHZ
RAM 512MB
HD: 80 gig partioned at 40, 30 and 10.

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 04, 2007, 09:57:52 AM
Just one HD? Get another HD for your audio data. Audio typically uses a lot of HD space, and your DAW apps will take up a lot of your remaining space on your 80 gig drive. Why 3 partitions? I personally have an 80 gig system drive (partitioned into two 40 gig logical drives), I've used up the 40 gig system in no time! If I were to redo my system drive, I would partition 5 - 10 gigs specifically for the swap file, and this partition would be located at the fastest part of the drive (there are partition and defrag utilities that allow you to do that).

I also have an audio data drive, 160 gigs unpartitioned. It is important to have 2 physical drives in case you experience drive failure. I've even made the other drive bootable just in case of boot failure on my main system drive - remember, if the MBR fails on your main system drive, you won't be able to access data on any of the partitions in that drive.

Lastly, I can't stress the importance of data backup. If I have my project files on my system drive, I have a duplicate on my data drive too, as well as a dvd copy... just in case.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jv21 on September 04, 2007, 11:20:39 AM
tnx sir.  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: legato on September 05, 2007, 02:11:10 PM
I have an el cheapo DAW in the making (old P4 2.4Ghz, 1G RAM, 80+160 HDD), a Xenix 802 Mixer, a boombox monitor and an M-Audio 2496 (on order). The plan is to use it to record backing and guitar tracks to learn a thing or two about recording.

I also have an old Boss DR660 drum machine that is stored somewhere gathering dust. Should I connect this too? And how do I apply and use it? Is it necessary or is software enough?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jv21 on September 05, 2007, 03:15:38 PM
hi. what's the difference between a 32 bit and 64  bit computer system in recording?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 05, 2007, 08:43:04 PM
I also have an old Boss DR660 drum machine that is stored somewhere gathering dust. Should I connect this too? And how do I apply and use it? Is it necessary or is software enough?

Software can be enough although, sometmes, hardware can be more immediate than turning on a pc and waiting for it to boot. For example, it would probably take minutes for you to program the DR660 with a nice loop, immediately after turning it on. A pc can take a few minutes just to boot into the OS then you have to launch your DAW software. You can have the best of both worlds by midi'ing up your BR to your pc. It will take some doing but we can guide you through the process - why not make a new thread for that when you get to that situation?

hi. what's the difference between a 32 bit and 64  bit computer system in recording?

A lot in terms of addressable ram, sometimes file sizes and operating systems. Normally, though, the emphasis is on addressable ram which is important to some who like to use LOTS of it, notably those with samplers that load gigabyte size sample libraries. XP will only address 2 gigs of ram, 3 gigs if you engage the /3GB switch; 64 bit OS allow you to address up to 128 gigabytes of RAM. If you don't do a lot of sampling, having that much ram won't benefit you much, but you sure can run at least a hundred instances of MS Excel each with several large spreadsheets.

The problem with 64-bit systems are the lack of drivers for audio devices. Some soundcard manufacturers have developed Vista drivers, but none have developed any WaveRT drivers and only a few have 64-bit drivers. Then, there are those who are saying that latency is worse in Vista. I'm waiting for Vista SP1 to come out before I will even try it out, even then, I don't fancy spending P25k for an OS. Rest assured I'll be posting updates on Vista when it is confirmed that we will be benefitting from that new OS, which some say is turning out to be the new Windows ME.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jv21 on September 06, 2007, 10:17:50 AM
wow.. thanks ulit sir..  :-D anyway, im just wondering, ano gmet ng D.I? ano difference nya pag d gumamit ng D.I?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: legato on September 06, 2007, 10:35:36 AM
Thanks kit! Will do, got too excited there.  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: gobernor on September 15, 2007, 02:49:03 PM
sir kit,

im new to this field and would like to get more information and this thread's a good read for starters. i am planning to use my pc as a daw, is it possible with my current spec?

amd sempron am2 2ghz
msi k9ngm-v (nvidia-based mobo) - Chipset NVIDIA® MCP61
512mb shared with video(On-Board VGA nVidia GeForce 6100)
80gb/160gb sata drives
xp pro sp2

i am not sure if my specs will be able to do recording so can you suggest additional hw required for me to add on a budget? exclude the ram since im getting 2gb soon. im currently reading materials for vegas 6 and audition 2. any info will be appreciated.

thanks!
:-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 15, 2007, 06:20:21 PM
gobernor,

Start with a good soundcard. I suggest getting an M-Audio 2496 if all you need is stereo I/O. Next, get a good pair of monitors if you will be mixing. You can start with a stereo component kung walang budget, but always compare your mixes with playback different systems. In the end, good monitors should be part of your listening chain.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: gobernor on September 19, 2007, 03:52:57 PM
thanks for the reply sir kit!

sulitin ko na, other than a good sound card, anything else you can recommend for a startup DAW? based on the specs i had, im not sure kung kakayin nya maging DAW...

my requirements for this project will be for creating demos(na quality cyempre) and overall music production kung kakayanin.

thanks again sir kit!

 :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 19, 2007, 04:10:30 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb here pero you can create good demos with a soundblaster, PROVIDING you have a good sounding room to begin with, good instruments and other outboard gear like mics and preamps. This assumes you will be recording a band and you will treat your pc as a 2-track recorder. Let me assure you that it can be done. This is even truer if all you will be doing are midi demos since the blasters are very capable in that department.

BUT... let me balance this by saying that a soundblaster will only get you so far with audio, especially if you want to track each instrument individually and with regards to sound quality since the blaster was intended mostly for sound playback, not recording - Creative cut a few corners in the A/D department. Tip: Someone is selling his Delta 1010LT (which is an 8 analog input card) in the classifieds. You will need to pair this with a good mixer with at least 6 mic preamps (the 1010LT has 2 XLR inputs) and at least 6 direct outs, so be advised.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: gobernor on September 19, 2007, 04:49:44 PM
thanks sa tip sir kit!

as much as possible live tracks sana so soundblasters are out of the equation. m audio nako. mapapalaban pala talaga ako sa gastusan dito sir kit.

thanks po sa prompt reply!

will be looking forward for more helpful tips here!

more power sir kit!

***baka may marerecommend po kayong good deal for recording demos
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 19, 2007, 05:06:31 PM
Tip of the iceberg pa lang yan. Next will come the quest for better mics, better preamps, better gear, better software... haaayyyy.... welcome to G.A.S.

***baka may marerecommend po kayong good deal for recording demos

I'm not sure what you mean by this. If you mean bands who want to record demos, I give you 2 words: package deal.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: replica on September 21, 2007, 08:55:14 AM
pa post naman mo ng connection ng Mixer to PC  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 21, 2007, 11:42:12 AM
pa post naman mo ng connection ng Mixer to PC  :-D

How to Hook Up a Mixer (http://www.tweakheadz.com/how_to_hookup_a_mixer.htm).
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kamots on September 21, 2007, 01:33:45 PM
Warning: N0ob question follows!!!

When recording a guitar, what are the the differences/pros/cons of using a USB interface (say MI Audio Jamlab) vs. a good soundcard (and a DI box?)? Or does the  apples and oranges thing apply here?

TIA
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: replica on September 21, 2007, 01:42:30 PM
How to Hook Up a Mixer (http://www.tweakheadz.com/how_to_hookup_a_mixer.htm).

thanks for the link
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: marcowpg3 on September 26, 2007, 01:50:35 PM
sir Kit, question lang, i just bought an M Audio 1814 firewire interface with Pro tools software, and i intend to use it sa PC muna kasi wala naman ako pang buget sa mac. i think ive asked u this before e, pero tatanong ko na din uli hehehe. what's the most compatible motherboard for this kind of setup? kasi i intend to get Intel dual core na processor...hindi ko lang alam kung magiging compatible to any kind of motherboard yung interface na 1814, kinakabahan lang ako baka masayang pag mali yung nakuha kong motherboard. thank u so much!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 26, 2007, 02:13:22 PM
You do not need a mac to run PT with your 1814. For one thing, the PT that comes with any M-audio product is merely the the M-powered version, a relatively stripped down PT that has no access to TDM hardware and plugs. Secondly, PT has been proven to work on both OSX and XP so there is no difference in functionality. Third, PT on OSX and XP WILL CRASH if you let it. Just because it's a Mac doesn't mean it's more stable, the only upside is that a Mac works out of the box although you still have to tweak it just a little to squeeze the most performance out of it. Bang-for-the-buck goes to properly configured pc systems as long as you have the right combination of parts and OS configuration. One thing you should do with PT: don't use Vista!

As for recommended pc's, go to the Digidesign site for recommended systems. Off the hat, though, I could say that most present day computers will run the 1814 fine although only the high end mobos have TI-equipped firewire chipsets, Asus and Gigabyte in particular. Another thing to check is that PT M-powered doesn't seem to like multi-core processing, so that will be a MAJOR consideration. Digi is comnig out with Vista tweaks, though, so expect to spend for the upgrade.  :evil:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: bassman88 on September 26, 2007, 02:22:08 PM
You do not need a mac to run PT with your 1814. For one thing, the PT that comes with any M-audio product is merely the the M-powered version, a relatively stripped down PT that has no access to TDM hardware and plugs. Secondly, PT has been proven to work on both OSX and XP so there is no difference in functionality. Third, PT on OSX and XP WILL CRASH if you let it. Just because it's a Mac doesn't mean it's more stable, the only upside is that a Mac works out of the box although you still have to tweak it just a little to squeeze the most performance out of it. Bang-for-the-buck goes to properly configured pc systems as long as you have the right combination of parts and OS configuration. One thing you should do with PT: don't use Vista!

As for recommended pc's, go to the Digidesign site for recommended systems. Off the hat, though, I could say that most present day computers will run the 1814 fine although only the high end mobos have TI-equipped firewire chipsets, Asus and Gigabyte in particular. Another thing to check is that PT M-powered doesn't seem to like multi-core processing, so that will be a MAJOR consideration. Digi is comnig out with Vista tweaks, though, so expect to spend for the upgrade.  :evil:

TI-equipped firewire chipsets? What are these? Kasi i just bought a firewire PCI card e. Ok lang ba to? will it affect record quality? Btw, magkano bili mo sa 1814?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 26, 2007, 02:38:34 PM
TI-equipped firewire chipsets? What are these? Kasi i just bought a firewire PCI card e. Ok lang ba to? will it affect record quality? Btw, magkano bili mo sa 1814?

Among the TI-equipped firewire chipset motherboards are: Asus P5WDH (i975), Asus P5B Deluxe (i965), Gigabyte GA-965 DQ6, Gigabyte GA-P35 DQ6... practically most of the high end mobos from these 2 manufacturers. I'm not 100% sure but I think Abit has something similar (Abit IP35 Pro).

A firewire pci card will not affect audio quality since what is passing through the card is already data. What it important is that chipset of the card (again, should be TI). There have been reports of other chipsets that work but YMMV.

marcowpg has the 1814... I use an Emu 1820m.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: marcowpg3 on September 26, 2007, 04:22:23 PM
thanks very much sir kit!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: bassman88 on September 26, 2007, 04:24:52 PM
marco, where and how much did you buy ur 1814? Im thinking of buying kasi
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: marcowpg3 on September 26, 2007, 04:29:04 PM
Another thing to check is that PT M-powered doesn't seem to like multi-core processing, so that will be a MAJOR consideration.

so you mean i dont need the dual core, that a pentium 4 processor will suffice? or is it much better to get a dual core processor for future reference/use? thanks! sorry kulit hehehe...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: marcowpg3 on September 26, 2007, 04:36:52 PM
marco, where and how much did you buy ur 1814? Im thinking of buying kasi

nagpabili ako sa US, theres a very good package sa musiciansfriend.com or sa music123.com, all in all $799 dollars yung package. it includes the M-audio 1814 interface, Protools M powered 7.3, AKG condenser mic, Senheiser headphones, cables and a mic stand. Actually hindi pa dumadating pero excited na ako haha! I tried to canvass the stuff here, individually aabot ng roughly P70K, wala pa yung computer, so ang laki ng ititipid mo kung sa US mo makukuha.

anyway, heres the link: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/MAudio-Pro-Tools-1814-Package?sku=709207
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: marcowpg3 on September 26, 2007, 04:42:07 PM
meron din dito ng 1814 sa JB music, and somewhere at makati cinema square beside brochiere computers. it costs around P40K, and the protools software i think nasa P18K
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 26, 2007, 04:46:49 PM
so you mean i dont need the dual core, that a pentium 4 processor will suffice? or is it much better to get a dual core processor for future reference/use? thanks! sorry kulit hehehe...

Look at it this way. The technology changes every 18 months or sometimes even lesser. You can get a dual core but make sure your mobo can accept quad and higher number cores in order to futureproof it. The limitation of the software is only temporary and it will always be addressed by updates/upgrades. That's why I prefer software that isn't tied to hardware the way PT is. On the other side, the PT MP system is compatible with HD and LE systems hence opens the door to porting your tracks and mixes to higher level PT suites.

Btw, forget about the old P4 systems and go C2D. The advantages are there like lower power usage and high utilization. You might have to configure PT to use a single core in the outset, but I'm sure Digidesign will address that issue, if they haven't already (which is weird since I'm sure PT can work with dual-cpu configurations, it's with multicore that they seem to hit a snag).
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: arzoeffect on September 26, 2007, 08:11:54 PM
mga sirs how bout for laptops? pwede po bng direct ang mixer sa line-in ng laptop?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 26, 2007, 08:28:42 PM
mga sirs how bout for laptops? pwede po bng direct ang mixer sa line-in ng laptop?

Technically yes, pero you are limited to stereo input. The better solution would be to get a usb2 or firewire interface if the laptop has those ports. Another would be to use a firewire mixer. The problem with laptop onboard audio is the quality of the converters, aside from the 1/8" stereo jacks which are fragile.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: arzoeffect on September 26, 2007, 08:34:53 PM
hmm...i see...yep mine has firewire & usb2.0 ports...any suggestion with such kind of mixers? yung budget friendly po sana...hehehe! thanks!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 26, 2007, 08:53:11 PM
Try the alesis firewire mixers. We've had good experience with those.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: arzoeffect on September 26, 2007, 08:58:39 PM
ok i'll look for it...big thanks!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: bassman88 on September 28, 2007, 09:35:42 AM
nagpabili ako sa US, theres a very good package sa musiciansfriend.com or sa music123.com, all in all $799 dollars yung package. it includes the M-audio 1814 interface, Protools M powered 7.3, AKG condenser mic, Senheiser headphones, cables and a mic stand. Actually hindi pa dumadating pero excited na ako haha! I tried to canvass the stuff here, individually aabot ng roughly P70K, wala pa yung computer, so ang laki ng ititipid mo kung sa US mo makukuha.

anyway, heres the link: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/MAudio-Pro-Tools-1814-Package?sku=709207

Actually sa musiciansfriend rin ako bibili kaso ung unit lang, problema lang ung shipping. Meron kasing scratch and dent sale, nasa $359 nalang ung 1814 firewire unit. Paano ang setup mo dito? kulang ka pa ng preamps ah. haha! Im gonna use it to record drums kasi. Hassel... Anyway, nagshship ba ang musiciansfriend dito sa pinas? magkano shipping?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: bassman88 on September 28, 2007, 09:39:01 AM
@KitC: Sir kit, mahirap ba ang configuration ng Alesis firewire mixers sa Cubase? Multi track ba ang pasok nito sa computer? Kasi priority ko is maedit ko per channel, like sa drums, kunyari, ung isang tom lang sa isang channel para matweak  ko without affecting the other toms. thanks!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 28, 2007, 12:13:42 PM
@KitC: Sir kit, mahirap ba ang configuration ng Alesis firewire mixers sa Cubase? Multi track ba ang pasok nito sa computer? Kasi priority ko is maedit ko per channel, like sa drums, kunyari, ung isang tom lang sa isang channel para matweak  ko without affecting the other toms. thanks!

When we used Jepoy's Multimix 8FW in Purple Haze, we were able to record all 8 channels individually; firewire is more than capable of handling that many tracks. The only caveat is that asio always treats audio streams as stereo pairs so that you will have to setup your VST Inputs to separate each asio L/R pair as a mono input (ex., left channel=input 1, right channel=input 2 and so on...).

Btw, musiciansfriend does not ship overseas. Hint: Use Johnny Air cargo...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kamots on September 28, 2007, 01:53:36 PM
Warning: N0ob question follows!!!

When recording a guitar, what are the the differences/pros/cons of using a USB interface (say MI Audio Jamlab) vs. a good soundcard (and a DI box?)? Or does the  apples and oranges thing apply here?

TIA

No takers?  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 28, 2007, 02:10:57 PM
No takers?  :-D

Sorry about that. I was waiting for the guitar-oriented recordists to post but I'll bite.

It does matter whether you're using an inexpensive interface vs. a more expensive one, specifically with the converters. Ideally, you want an interface that can give you as much fidelity and the least coloration when you record. You also want a converter that can record to at least 96 khz and 24-bits; the bitrate is especially important if you want to have extra processing headroom. I personally record to 24 bits because the processing on the tails and fades is a lot smoother compared to 16-bit. The Jamlab only records up to 48 khz - not a deal breaker, but it is limited to a single guitar input so is not capable of accommodating other sources like keyboards and microphones - strictly a guitar recording interface.

The data protocol can be important; USB 2.0 is preferable to USB 1.1 interfaces because of the greater data bandwidth. Firewire is a very good alternative to USB 2 because firewire has lower cpu overhead. In terms of data transfer rates, pci soundcards provides the fastest to date. All that is moot, however, if the interface's drivers are bad, i.e., cannot provide a low enough latency for you to overdub or to record comfortably while playing back other tracks. Another thing to look out for is how monitoring is implemented. Some interfaces will not monitor through hardware while software monitoring usually introduces latency - something to watch out for.

EDIT: typo
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: marcowpg3 on September 28, 2007, 05:29:17 PM
Actually sa musiciansfriend rin ako bibili kaso ung unit lang, problema lang ung shipping. Meron kasing scratch and dent sale, nasa $359 nalang ung 1814 firewire unit. Paano ang setup mo dito? kulang ka pa ng preamps ah. haha! Im gonna use it to record drums kasi. Hassel... Anyway, nagshship ba ang musiciansfriend dito sa pinas? magkano shipping?

sa shipping, kasi may friend ako na uuwi dito so he's gonna bring it back with him. pero pwede ka din magpadala from the states ng balikbayan box, i think it costs around $75. about the preamps, yun nga wala pa ako nun.

SIR KITC, question; can the interface be used as a preamp? or do you have to get a preamp separately for this kind of home studio to work? sorry for the newbie questions kasi im really just starting out and baka kulang yung gamit ko and i might be missing some essential stuff para sa simpleng home studio. although meron din naman akong multi effects processors for guitars and sansamp direct box for bass. pwde bang rekta sa interface yung mga instruments and mics? or mas ok kung papadaanin sa preamp?

ganito kasi yung set up ko when my stuff gets here:
COMPUTER -> INTERFACE -> DIRECT BOX/PROCESSORS -> INSTRUMENTS/MICS

is this gonna work? or did i just spend for nothing? HELP!! :? :-o :?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kamots on September 28, 2007, 06:15:41 PM
Sorry about that.......

No apology necessary. I'm gonna have to re-read that while paying more attention to the words a couple of times before I totally get  :-) it but thanks for the reply
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 28, 2007, 06:21:01 PM
SIR KITC, question; can the interface be used as a preamp?

The 1814 has 8 analog line inputs of which inputs 1 & 2 share a mic preamp along with the unbalanced line inputs 1 & 2 at the back of the unit. In order to use mics with the other 6 inputs, you will need to add 6 mic preamps.

All is not lost since the 1814 also has ADAT I/O. The easy (and relatively cheap way) to add 8 additional mic preamps is to get something like the Behringer ADA8000 and connect it via lightpipe to the ADAT input. This will give you a total of 10 mic preamps plus 6 line inputs available for keyboards/synths and ampsim lineouts.

hth,
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: bassman88 on September 28, 2007, 08:17:16 PM
The 1814 has 8 analog line inputs of which inputs 1 & 2 share a mic preamp along with the unbalanced line inputs 1 & 2 at the back of the unit. In order to use mics with the other 6 inputs, you will need to add 6 mic preamps.

All is not lost since the 1814 also has ADAT I/O. The easy (and relatively cheap way) to add 8 additional mic preamps is to get something like the Behringer ADA8000 and connect it via lightpipe to the ADAT input. This will give you a total of 10 mic preamps plus 6 line inputs available for keyboards/synths and ampsim lineouts.

hth,

Sir Kit, if we do this method, won't it mean entering the computer as a single track lang? Lahat ng nakasaksak sa ADA8000?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 29, 2007, 12:05:14 AM
Sir Kit, if we do this method, won't it mean entering the computer as a single track lang? Lahat ng nakasaksak sa ADA8000?

No. The ADA8000 is an 8-channel mic/line preamp which can give you 8 separate tracks. It is slaved to the 1814 by means of the lightpipe connection; the ADA serves to increase the available analog inputs and outputs to the 1814. If you use the ADA in conjunction with the 1814, you will have a total of 16 analog inputs and outputs.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: stilljey on September 29, 2007, 08:11:07 AM
sir, what is lightpipe or lightpipe connection?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: x_taxi on September 29, 2007, 10:06:53 AM
sir, what is lightpipe or lightpipe connection?

that's what they call the connection to transfer digital audio with the use of fiber optics, hence the name.  since pinoy tayo, we call it by the brand name, yun din yun tinatawag natin na adat.

 :-) :-) :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: xjepoyx on September 29, 2007, 11:01:06 AM
ADAT is not a brand po. registered trademark lang ng Alesis with their 8 track digital tape recorder that was released in the early 90's. Pero YES ADAT transfer is called lightpipe :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: x_taxi on September 29, 2007, 12:22:28 PM
ADAT is not a brand po. registered trademark lang ng Alesis with their 8 track digital tape recorder that was released in the early 90's. Pero YES ADAT transfer is called lightpipe :)

hehe.  alesis digital audio tape?  sorry boss jepoy.  i stand corrected.  thanks for clearin that up.

slightly OT(?):  sadly, i still call my toothpaste colgate...

 :-) :-) :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: marcowpg3 on September 29, 2007, 03:41:43 PM
thanks for all the advice and insights!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: xjepoyx on September 29, 2007, 04:11:08 PM
hehehe np xtaxi :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: stilljey on September 30, 2007, 04:18:12 AM
thanks din mga sir :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jun_gats on October 07, 2007, 03:54:22 AM
mga sirs... ok napo ba ito para makapag record ako sa pc?  or kulang papo? di ko kasi alam kung may mga wires pa akong dapat idagdag. salamat po ng madami

http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=37 (http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=37)

http://shure.com/ProAudio/Products/WiredMicrophones/us_pro_SM57-LC_content (http://shure.com/ProAudio/Products/WiredMicrophones/us_pro_SM57-LC_content)



Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: bassman88 on October 07, 2007, 09:20:33 AM
Ano balak mo irecord? Kulang yan pag drums. Check mo if may pre-amps kasama ung mixer mo, kung wala kukulangan ng lakas ung SM57 mo. hehe
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: xjepoyx on October 07, 2007, 10:33:19 AM
mga sirs... ok napo ba ito para makapag record ako sa pc?  or kulang papo? di ko kasi alam kung may mga wires pa akong dapat idagdag. salamat po ng madami

http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=37 (http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=37)

http://shure.com/ProAudio/Products/WiredMicrophones/us_pro_SM57-LC_content (http://shure.com/ProAudio/Products/WiredMicrophones/us_pro_SM57-LC_content)





if that is your equipments, Mic > USB Mixer > USB Cable to PC

with a few configurations on your DAW App... your ready to go

edit:

your monitoring speakers should be connected on the output of your USB Mixer

Check mo if may pre-amps kasama ung mixer mo,

Alesis Mixers has a good preamps.

kung wala kukulangan ng lakas ung SM57 mo. hehe

SM57 or Mics perse... doesnt have his own "LAKAS". mics always depends on mic mixer, amplifiers or mic preamps
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jun_gats on October 07, 2007, 12:36:15 PM
Ano balak mo irecord? Kulang yan pag drums. Check mo if may pre-amps kasama ung mixer mo, kung wala kukulangan ng lakas ung SM57 mo. hehe

guitar lng sir, may nakalagay sa manual na may phantom mode daw yung mixer, kapag tinurn on daw yun e mgkakaroon ng boost yung 4 inputs na 48v... tama kaya pagkakaintindi ko? di ba masisira yung mic?

http://www.alesis.com/downloads/manuals/Alesis_iMultiMix8USB_Reference_revC.pdf (http://www.alesis.com/downloads/manuals/Alesis_iMultiMix8USB_Reference_revC.pdf)

if that is your equipments, Mic > USB Mixer > USB Cable to PC

with a few configurations on your DAW App... your ready to go

edit:

your monitoring speakers should be connected on the output of your USB Mixer

Alesis Mixers has a good preamps.

SM57 or Mics perse... doesnt have his own "LAKAS". mics always depends on mic mixer, amplifiers or mic preamps

di ko pa sya nabibili sir, this month pa kasi papasabay ko lng sa officemate ko pgpunta nya sa us. good to hear sir kasi wala akong alam sa mixer e, first time ko palang kung sakali.

wala panga akong nakikitang monitor speakers, pwede bang head phone nalang?

may nakalagay na phantom power sabi boost daw ng 48v yung mic para sa mga condenser, atsaka kailangan ko pla ng xlr cable di ba?  
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 07, 2007, 05:46:55 PM
guitar lng sir, may nakalagay sa manual na may phantom mode daw yung mixer, kapag tinurn on daw yun e mgkakaroon ng boost yung 4 inputs na 48v... tama kaya pagkakaintindi ko? di ba masisira yung mic?

 :?

Boost? Phantom power is meant for powering condenser mics, which will not work without power unlike dynamic mics such as the SM-57/58.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jun_gats on October 07, 2007, 06:23:51 PM
:?

Boost? Phantom power is meant for powering condenser mics, which will not work without power unlike dynamic mics such as the SM-57/58.

I see, so i don't need the phantom power mode because I'm using a dynamic microphone. Do I need any preamp?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 07, 2007, 07:22:26 PM
I see, so i don't need the phantom power mode because I'm using a dynamic microphone. Do I need any preamp?

Usually may preamp na ang mixer. Usually the number of XLR inputs equals the number of available preamps. Make sure that the number of preamps are what you need. Most mixers under 16 channels only have 2 to 6 preamps, which may be insufficient for your needs. If you decide on a 12-channel mixer with only 4 preamps, for ex., you can supplant those with external preamps connected to the line inputs such as the MIC200 or TubeMP.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jun_gats on October 08, 2007, 06:37:29 AM
Usually may preamp na ang mixer. Usually the number of XLR inputs equals the number of available preamps. Make sure that the number of preamps are what you need. Most mixers under 16 channels only have 2 to 6 preamps, which may be insufficient for your needs. If you decide on a 12-channel mixer with only 4 preamps, for ex., you can supplant those with external preamps connected to the line inputs such as the MIC200 or TubeMP.

This is indicated in the manual sir Kitc "4 microphone/line inputs with up to 50dB of preamp gain – gives a boost to microphones and instruments with weak levels." I only need it for guitar recording. If I need more preamps in the future pwede ko bang dagdagan ng preamp kahit 8 input lng? usually gaano kadaming preamp ba yung kailangan? intrumental rock genre yung balak kong irecord.

ito yung inoofer nila

Multimix 8 USB (4 mic/line preamps, 4 stereo inputs)
Multimix 12 USB (4 mic/line preamps, 4 stereo inputs)
Multimix 16 USB (8 mic/line preamps, 4 stereo inputs)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 08, 2007, 10:02:57 AM
This is indicated in the manual sir Kitc "4 microphone/line inputs with up to 50dB of preamp gain – gives a boost to microphones and instruments with weak levels."  I only need it for guitar recording.

I think this refers to the trim control. Phantom power only powers the preamps built into condenser mics; dynamics do not have these preamps since their  output is sufficient to drive the preamp inputs. The usage of gain in mics and preamps is different from what you are used to with guitars; there comes a point that too much gain will distort your preamp inputs. Unlike with guitars, you do not like distortion when you are capturing a sound.

If I need more preamps in the future pwede ko bang dagdagan ng preamp kahit 8 input lng? usually gaano kadaming preamp ba yung kailangan? intrumental rock genre yung balak kong irecord.

If it's only guitars, you don't need much unless you are fond of intricate miking setups; I have read of setups that used as much as 4 inputs/ preamps for one guitar! Eight preamps are easy to use up when recording a full band. Try to consider your present and future needs.

It's probably better if you choose the firewire mixers instead of the cheaper usb versions. With FW, you can record each channel separately, unlike the usb version which limits you to stereo channels only.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jun_gats on October 08, 2007, 11:35:24 AM
I think this refers to the trim control. Phantom power only powers the preamps built into condenser mics; dynamics do not have these preamps since their  output is sufficient to drive the preamp inputs. The usage of gain in mics and preamps is different from what you are used to with guitars; there comes a point that too much gain will distort your preamp inputs. Unlike with guitars, you do not like distortion when you are capturing a sound.

If it's only guitars, you don't need much unless you are fond of intricate miking setups; I have read of setups that used as much as 4 inputs/ preamps for one guitar! Eight preamps are easy to use up when recording a full band. Try to consider your present and future needs.

It's probably better if you choose the firewire mixers instead of the cheaper usb versions. With FW, you can record each channel separately, unlike the usb version which limits you to stereo channels only.

Thank sir Kitc for all the info, I think I need to research more and save for additional fund, I thought that this is an easy walk to the park but I was wrong. It's totally a different setup from my guitar rig. :)

I also need to purchase a firewire controller card, I thought usb is better.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: bassman88 on October 08, 2007, 06:33:23 PM
I'm selling my m-audio fast track usb if you want, isang input lang sha, pang guitar sakto pero wala pa shang pre-amp. PM mo ko if you want the details.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jun_gats on October 08, 2007, 06:51:10 PM
I'm selling my m-audio fast track usb if you want, isang input lang sha, pang guitar sakto pero wala pa shang pre-amp. PM mo ko if you want the details.

Thanks sir, pero I prefer mixer and mic. I think I'll just save nalang kasi kulang budget ko medyo malaki pla ang kailangan ko. Prang gusto ko nadin ng monitor  :-D Wow! dumami tuloy ang gas ko.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jun_gats on October 09, 2007, 01:50:51 PM
Sir Kitc, If I just purchase the mixer then not use the usb but connect it to a soundcard is it much better or the firewire is still the way to go?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 09, 2007, 02:49:49 PM
Sir Kitc, If I just purchase the mixer then not use the usb but connect it to a soundcard is it much better or the firewire is still the way to go?

In both cases, you will only be capable of recording 2 channels of audio. Firewire is one option, a pci soundcard like the M-Audio Delta 1010LT is another if you need multiple input capability. Personally, though, I find firewire mixers to be a very flexible option because of the portability of the interface, meaning you can easily transfer it from pc to pc without much fuss, and at the same time, the mixer can function standalone.

As an interface protocol, I find firewire to be better in terms of speed, number of channels and cpu loading, so I think firewire really is the better way to go. USB2 interfaces are just as good but at the expense of higher cpu loading. I'm waiting for reviews regarding the Toneport UX8 to verify this, but Roland's earlier UA-1000 and UA-101 bear out the fact that these USB2 interfaces work quite well.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: adler on October 17, 2007, 12:54:37 PM
sir ok po maganda po bang set up to? para sa track recording using pc?

guitar/bass/mics   --- 8 or 4 input mixer --- E-1-312 M-AUDIO Jam Lab Guitar USB Audio Interface ---- pc


 heres the link of the audio interface :

http://www.jbmusic.com.ph/product.php?sessid=&sid=25&pid=542

  1. kung ok lng po  ano ba magandang mixer?
  2. meron pa po bang kulang?
  3. kung mali po set up ,, ano po magandang alternative,, tight budget kc e.

salamat!

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 17, 2007, 01:41:49 PM
The Jamlab only has a single 1/4" guitar input and no line inputs of any kind, making it useless to pair with a mixer as an audio interface. Save up for the 2496 Audiophile, or if you prefer usb, the Fast Trak USB: http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,62048.0.html

One alternative is the Behringer UCA-202 although I hear you might have to deal with latency issues.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: adler on October 17, 2007, 04:54:37 PM
salamat sa reply sir,, balak ko kasi gawin ko lng usb interface yung jamlab ,, tpos ung mixer ung ggwin ko kabitan ng inputs para sa drum mics.. ngpatanong ako sa behringer ala raw silang model na Behringer UCA-202 ..
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 17, 2007, 09:01:15 PM
salamat sa reply sir,, balak ko kasi gawin ko lng usb interface yung jamlab ,, tpos ung mixer ung ggwin ko kabitan ng inputs para sa drum mics.. ngpatanong ako sa behringer ala raw silang model na Behringer UCA-202 ..

Did you talk to the right behringer guy? eto yun: http://www.behringer.com/UCA202/index.cfm?lang=eng

Usually kasama ang UCA when you buy a Xenyx mixer from Behringer.

The Jamlab CANNOT be used to connect your mixer to the computer simply because it doesn't have line inputs, only a single guitar input. The mixer's outputs are line level out and it should be connected to a soundcard's line level inputs, which the Jamlab has none. Research carefully before you make an expensive mistake.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: adler on October 19, 2007, 05:24:35 PM
yup ,, nde nga po pde bilhin ung uca invididually, it comes with a mixer... salamat sir kitc..i will research more pa before consulting to you,,this thread is a big help to us beginers
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: faceless on October 20, 2007, 03:24:11 PM
sir i want to record guitar riffs and stuff ONLY(for now hehe)

m using an old ecs a530 laptop, 20gb hd and 384 RAM, mejo low end na, but i'm considering the guitar interface usb based gadgets(tama ba ung term?) like the M-AUDIO Jam Lab Guitar USB Audio Interface or the behringer guitar link UCG102.

are these good enough gadgets to record? any experiences with 'em? ano nga pla ang "latency" i usually read sa mga posts, but doesn't care to check.

 i'm kinda off with budget kaya m opting for the ucg102 though i still wanna hear your expert opinions on this. all i want is a straight plug and play recording.

tnx!  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 20, 2007, 04:40:30 PM
@faceless - most inexpensive laptops come with low rpm drives (4200 rpm). The fact that it is also 20 gigs means that you will fill it up rather quickly since audio files can take up a lot of space - approx 10 Mbytes per minute of 44.1 khz stereo. I highly recommend getting a larger capacity external drive, preferably firewire if your laptop has that port.

You can get by with the Behringer or the M-Audio if all you are concerned with is recording audio. I've read the specs of the M-Audio and it allows hardware monitoring, but it doesn't seem to allow DSP processing so you can't directly record a clean signal (while monitoring with effects) for later processing. Either you record your guitar wet with distortion, or you teach yourself how to record with a clean tone. One thing you should not do is to record with reverb and other time-based fx like delay; this can muddy up a mix very easily.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: faceless on October 20, 2007, 05:04:02 PM
thanks sir kit!

that's an awesome fast reply! :evil:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 20, 2007, 06:00:13 PM
You're welcome, faceless.

I forgot to mention the reasons for an external drive. For one thing, slow internal drives usually mean low track counts. Most internal laptop drives are either 4200 or 5400 rpm, good for several tracks of audio, bad if you intend to push your system to something like 20 plus tracks. I highly recommend getting a 7200 rpm external drive. Make sure it is either firewire or USB2, usb 1.1 is too slow for audio. An alternative is to also replace your laptop's internal drive.

IMO, it is better to have an externally powered external drive rather than one that gets it's power from the FW or USB bus. Laptops have an unnerving way of saving power. You might even have to save up for some battery backup (a la APC) just in case the power goes out during a write. One of the things we want to avoid is data corruption and possible damage to the hard disk.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: faceless on October 20, 2007, 11:09:00 PM
oh thats's great! :evil:

i got an extra 80gb seagate@ 7200 rpm. however, are the external casing sold by cdr king OR COMPUTER SHOPS ok? ung mga naka usb, i can't remember if its usb 2.0 na pero i guess its powered by xternal source pa.

btw sir regarding latency sa previous post ko, what does it mean? i read stuff like "suffering from latency and all."..will the behringer suffer from latency? tama ba?

tnx again and more power!!!!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 20, 2007, 11:37:37 PM
Cdr-king is great for cheap products, but some of their items have a nasty habit of breaking exactly a day after the warranty expires. OTOH, I have one of their optical mouse (mice?) that's already 6 months old and still going strong. YMMV. This is your data you're talking about; try to get something with known reliability, and backup your data often. DVD-R's are cheap nowadays.

As for latency, that is the roundabout time it takes for audio to go into a soundcard, get processed by the software and cpu, then make it's way out of the soundcard for you to hear what you are recording (often called monitoring). This is directly related to your computer's processor, it's operating system, and the efficiency of your soundcard and it's drivers. Lower latency times place a higher load on your cpu; go low enough and your pc might throw in the towel and give up. A very good soundcard with very good drivers will likely give you very low latencies although there are always limits. ALL soundcards suffer from some form of latency, it's the nature of the beast. The trick is finding the right soundcard that is both affordable and efficient, and has what you need in terms of inputs and outputs. Behringer is somewhat new to the soundcard business and from what I've been reading about their UCA, the latency is somewhat high.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: in_the_tent on October 22, 2007, 08:37:43 AM
Hi guys. I'm not sure kung naitanong na ito sa mga thread dito. I've read the thread before pero baka di ko lang naintindihan kung meron mang info regarding this. I hope you'll be patient answering my questions. Please give some "IDIOT PROOF" answers oki? hehe.
i have a mixer (not a USB/Firewire) ang a PC at home. i think 1/8" ang input ng PC. (Please correct me if I'm wrong..) Ang out naman ng mixer ay 1/4". How do I connect my mixer to the PC?

mixer out(stereo) -
RCA-1/8" cable (with RCA-1/4" adapters) -
PC 1/8" input

tama ba ang connection na nasa isip ko? or do i need a gadget pa (interface ba yun?) to connect?

thanks for your extremely patient advice. :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: maplesyrup on October 31, 2007, 06:40:40 PM
MGA KAPATID... BAGO LANG AKO SA LARANGAN NG DIGITAL RECORDING... KONTI LAMANG ANG NALALAMAN KO PATUNGKOL SA GANYANG MGA BAGAY! NAGBABALAK RIN AKO MAGTAYO BALANG ARAW NG AKING SARILING STUDIO..ANG KATANUNGAN KO PO AY GANITO... EHEM... ETO NA... ANONG MAGANDANG SET UP SA PERSONAL NA KOMPUTER KUNG ETO ANG AKING MGA NAPUPUSUANG GAMIT

1.PRESONUS FIREPOD
2.BEHRINGER ADA8000 UTRAGAIN PRO
3.BEHRINGER POWERPLAY PRO-8
4.ALESIS M1 MONITOR
5.AUDIX FUSION DRUM MICS
6.MXL990/991
7.SHURE SM57
8.SHURE SM58
at marami pang iba..





pasensya na kung masyadong tagalog ang aking pananalita.. alam kong puro maka engles ang mga tao dito..MULI.. pasensya napo! pinoy lang! sanay ma2lungan nyo ako! paki typ narin kung ano yung mga specs ng pc! cause u know! este... (tagalog nga pala!) " alam nyo na!

P.S macoy wag kana sumagot! alam kona sasagot mo! hahahaha! :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: tam_guitar on November 02, 2007, 10:27:48 PM
ive read reviews on DAWs

adobe audition is not one of them...

why!?!?!

its always, cubase, sonar, etc...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 02, 2007, 10:38:37 PM
@maplesyrup - do you have plans to record more than 8 simultaneous tracks? I don't think the firepod can accomodate the ADA8000 since it does not have adat capability. You need the Firestudio for 18 inputs (8 analog, 8 ADAT, 2 spdif) but research a bit on it's drivers and software compatibility. One of the biggest irritants with the Firepod is the lack of a software mixer, unlike it's little brother, the Firebox.

@tam_guitar - it's because Audition is audio only. I think one of the pre-requisites of being a full-fledged DAW is that it should also have midi capability.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: stilljey on November 03, 2007, 05:35:47 AM
sir kit the emu1212m comes with package includes 1010 pci card & 0202 i/o daugther card.  yung 0202 parang hindi naman sya pci (sa photo), so paano ang connection nya sa 1010. nag aaspire kasi ako to have one.

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z223/reyjavik_bucket/EMU1212m.jpg)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: maplesyrup on November 03, 2007, 08:39:21 AM
MALI PA NA TYP KO... "FIRESTUDIO" PALA DAPAT.
SIR KITC ANO MASASABI MO SA FIRESTUDIO? OKS PABA DAGDAGAN NG ADA8000 YUN.. MUKHANG OK NAMAN NA ATA UNG 18 INPUTS SA RECORDING...
MEDYO NAGUGULUHAN KASI AKO DYAN SA (8 analog, 8 ADAT, 2 spdif)
PAKI EXPLAIN SIR...
PASENSYA NA KASI TALAGANG BAGO PALANG AKO NAG AARAL NG RECORDING,ALAM KO LANG UMUPO SA STUDIO AT PUMALO! EHEHEHE!


 :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

PS. NATAPAKAN KO ATA UNG TANONG NI "in_the_tent" PAKI SAGOT NA LANG YUNG SA KANYA MUNA! PASENSYA NA.. BAKA BAWAL KASI MAGTANONG DITO PAG DIPA NASASAGOT YUNG TANONG NUNG NAUNA! PASENSYA NA ULIT!  
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 03, 2007, 09:39:37 AM
@stilljey - the 1212m comes with 2 cards: the main card is the 1010 which has the DSP and digital I/O; it is the pci card among the 2. The daughtercard, called the 0202, contains the 1/4" TRS balanced I/O... it is the analog I/O card, and it does not require connection to a free pci slot, only a free backplane slot in the pc case. The 0202 is connected via ribbon cable to the 1010 card.

@maplesyrup - maganda ang Firestudio on paper, pero I haven't been reading a lot of favorable reviews. According to some users, the Firestudio drivers are a bit quirky; my educated guess points to the firewire chipsets on some motherboards, YMMV. The Firestudio has ADAT ports allowing you to add the ADA8000, giving you a total of 16 analog I/O. ADAT and spdif are digital audio protocols; ADAT allows for 8 channels of audio on a single lightpipe (fiberoptic cable), while spdif is a 2-channel stereo protocol that can use optical (fiberoptic) or electrical (75-ohm coax) connections. Try to learn the specs of the gear you want to acquire. Mahirap na bibili ka ng gamit pero di mo alam kung tama para sa pangangailangan mo ang features niya.  :|

HTH!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: maplesyrup on November 03, 2007, 05:53:15 PM
salamat sir sa paliwanag... tlagang inaalam ko muna ung mga bibilihin ko! thats why i ask muna..mahirap kasi talaga magkamali! hindi rin kasi biro yung mga presyo nyan dito! kaya dapat magingat din sa pagbili! anywayz.. thanks again!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: stilljey on November 03, 2007, 06:11:23 PM
The 0202 is connected via ribbon cable to the 1010 card.

thanks sir, Im using S6PE at heto yung plano kong bilhin , Emu 1212M PCI 24-Bit/192kHz Balanced Interface (Windows) Mastering-grade 24-bit, 192kHz converters. Compatible ba sila at ma eedit ang midi?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: tam_guitar on November 03, 2007, 06:24:45 PM
@maplesyrup - do you have plans to record more than 8 simultaneous tracks? I don't think the firepod can accomodate the ADA8000 since it does not have adat capability. You need the Firestudio for 18 inputs (8 analog, 8 ADAT, 2 spdif) but research a bit on it's drivers and software compatibility. One of the biggest irritants with the Firepod is the lack of a software mixer, unlike it's little brother, the Firebox.

@tam_guitar - it's because Audition is audio only. I think one of the pre-requisites of being a full-fledged DAW is that it should also have midi capability.

but sir KitC,

i think that Audition is a powerful audio program...i think its unfair for adobe to be left behind.

hehe...

anyways. i have never tried to use cubase, sonar...etc.

can u pls give me a review on this softwares...if u dnt mind sir.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 03, 2007, 10:59:36 PM
thanks sir, Im using S6PE at heto yung plano kong bilhin , Emu 1212M PCI 24-Bit/192kHz Balanced Interface (Windows) Mastering-grade 24-bit, 192kHz converters. Compatible ba sila at ma eedit ang midi?

Well, I'm using the 1212's big brother, the 1820m and I swear by it. Let's just say that my soundstage opened up greatly when I moved to the Emu. You might have a better alternative in the 1212 since you are not tied to the 1820m's preamps, which though good, have exhibited some strange quirks.

The problem though is that Emu's parent company, Creative, is apparently in the middle of a financial crisis. While the Emu is a very good mid-level card, there are concerns about the company's longevity given Creative's financial woes. I suggest a wait-and-see approach or maybe try alternatives, like Echo's Audiofire, Presonus' Inspire, Edirol's UA and FA interfaces, or even Digidesign's Mbox2 mini, which are quite close in terms of price. That said, you won't find similar converters for the 1212's price, however.

@tam_guitar - while technically a DAW is supposed to mean Digital Audio Workstation so that means Audition falls within the confines of that definition, some others have decided to raise the bar on the definition by including the capability to process midi. If there's one thing you cannot do in Audition, it's edit a midi track. Sure you can import a midi file, but the most you can do is assign the track to a port but you cannot play softsynths or even edit out a note. As of Audition 2.0, I haven't seen any facility to manipulate midi data, which is the reason Audition sometimes isn't included in comparison with Cubase, Sonar and the like. Even FL and Ableton Live are more considered as DAW software because of their midi and audio capabilities.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: tam_guitar on November 03, 2007, 11:39:56 PM
Well, I'm using the 1212's big brother, the 1820m and I swear by it. Let's just say that my soundstage opened up greatly when I moved to the Emu. You might have a better alternative in the 1212 since you are not tied to the 1820m's preamps, which though good, have exhibited some strange quirks.

The problem though is that Emu's parent company, Creative, is apparently in the middle of a financial crisis. While the Emu is a very good mid-level card, there are concerns about the company's longevity given Creative's financial woes. I suggest a wait-and-see approach or maybe try alternatives, like Echo's Audiofire, Presonus' Inspire, Edirol's UA and FA interfaces, or even Digidesign's Mbox2 mini, which are quite close in terms of price. That said, you won't find similar converters for the 1212's price, however.

@tam_guitar - while technically a DAW is supposed to mean Digital Audio Workstation so that means Audition falls within the confines of that definition, some others have decided to raise the bar on the definition by including the capability to process midi. If there's one thing you cannot do in Audition, it's edit a midi track. Sure you can import a midi file, but the most you can do is assign the track to a port but you cannot play softsynths or even edit out a note. As of Audition 2.0, I haven't seen any facility to manipulate midi data, which is the reason Audition sometimes isn't included in comparison with Cubase, Sonar and the like. Even FL and Ableton Live are more considered as DAW software because of their midi and audio capabilities.

Sir KitC,

therefore...i will use AUDITION for audio editing and mastering, and FL STUDIO for MIDI editing...and drums...hehe

yah think itll work!?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 03, 2007, 11:47:50 PM
Sir KitC,

therefore...i will use AUDITION for audio editing and mastering, and FL STUDIO for MIDI editing...and drums...hehe

yah think itll work!?

Well, yeh... if you like moving continually between 2 programs. One of the reasons why I prefer Cubase and Sonar... no need to shift to another program when I have to edit audio and midi at the same time. One thing I do, however, is use an audio editing program like Wavelab to do my 'mastering'; these kinds of programs excel at this thing, and Audition (formerly CoolEdit) was and is an audio editing program at it's core.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: tam_guitar on November 04, 2007, 12:02:16 AM
oic

i understand now.

until i download sonar or cubase...il stick with FL STUDIO and AUDITION

btw, my soundcard is just a CREATIVE VALUE "something" card...


BTW

sir KITC,

i have the PSP VINTAGE WARMER plugin...its a compressor right!? u like!? i dont...i dnt knw y. :lol:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 04, 2007, 01:30:30 AM
Download Sonar or Cubase?  :?

Careful... you know how we are about piracy here considering that a lot of us are registered users of the software we use. Instead of Sonar and Cubase, I suggest getting Reaper instead. It's uncrippled, unexpiring shareware, and it doesn't need a crack in order to operate. You can even run it off a thumbdrive since it is only a few megs, but it has capabilities that approach most major daw software.

Don't worry about the Value card... I had one a long time ago and it was quite sufficient for learning about recording and for doing demos; I learned how to make soundfonts (and subsequently sampling) on the darned thing. Plus, it's practically guaranteed to work with most games (semipro and pro soundcards can be less tolerant of gaming).
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: tam_guitar on November 04, 2007, 03:08:05 AM
piracy = bad

copy that!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: stilljey on November 04, 2007, 05:23:04 AM
Well, I'm using the 1212's big brother, the 1820m and I swear by it. Let's just say that my soundstage opened up greatly when I moved to the Emu. You might have a better alternative in the 1212 since you are not tied to the 1820m's preamps, which though good, have exhibited some strange quirks.

The problem though is that Emu's parent company, Creative, is apparently in the middle of a financial crisis. While the Emu is a very good mid-level card, there are concerns about the company's longevity given Creative's financial woes. I suggest a wait-and-see approach or maybe try alternatives, like Echo's Audiofire, Presonus' Inspire, Edirol's UA and FA interfaces, or even Digidesign's Mbox2 mini, which are quite close in terms of price. That said, you won't find similar converters for the 1212's price, however.
Ok Thanks sir, have a good day!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: tam_guitar on November 04, 2007, 08:45:02 PM
sir,

i purchase today a Sony MDR-V150 monitor headphone...it sucks!!! i hate it. maganda pa ung headphone na CDRKING

P1,400 ung price...

i wanna return it!!! do u think they will accept!?!?! AUTOMATIC CENTER

do u have any experience similar to this!?

bad comments:

muddy. too much mid. almost no high. espesyali kapag full band na!!! to much bass....its eating the whole audio! and the BOX SAYS "MONITOR HEADPHONE"

geez!!!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 04, 2007, 08:55:19 PM
I used to have the V600... that one really rocked. You might not be used to monitor headphones. For one thing, monitor-type headphones are not supposed to have hyped frequencies, often have a flat response. What you look for is accuracy in the reproduction of sounds and notes. Stereo imaging is always exaggerated when wearing headphones so do not use cans when making panning and reverb/fx decisions, you need monitor speakers for that.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: tam_guitar on November 04, 2007, 08:59:32 PM
ganun po ba ang monitor headphones!?!?!

tsk tsk...nganget talaga to eh...

btw, when using headphones as monitors...

ung master volume lagi 0db!? or higher...kasi basag to kapag malakas na...

ung windows mixer, todo lahat sir!?







i tested the SONY MONITOR HEADPHONE...at 15000Hz wala na ako marinig at 30Hz lang ang rinig...

is that ok!?

sabi sa specs frequency response ay 16-22,000Hz

 :?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 04, 2007, 09:04:56 PM
btw, when using headphones as monitors...

ung master volume lagi 0db!? or higher...

No. Use a level you're comfortable with. Always protect your hearing, unless of course you're Beethoven's reincarnation, then it won't matter if you go deaf.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: tam_guitar on November 04, 2007, 09:12:04 PM
i tested the altec lansing...kaya nya...20-20000Hz

ung headphone hnd...awww  :-(
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: in_the_tent on November 07, 2007, 04:31:52 PM
Hi guys. I'm not sure kung naitanong na ito sa mga thread dito. I've read the thread before pero baka di ko lang naintindihan kung meron mang info regarding this. I hope you'll be patient answering my questions. Please give some "IDIOT PROOF" answers oki? hehe.
i have a mixer (not a USB/Firewire) ang a PC at home. i think 1/8" ang input ng PC. (Please correct me if I'm wrong..) Ang out naman ng mixer ay 1/4". How do I connect my mixer to the PC?

mixer out(stereo) -
RCA-1/8" cable (with RCA-1/4" adapters) -
PC 1/8" input

tama ba ang connection na nasa isip ko? or do i need a gadget pa (interface ba yun?) to connect?

thanks for your extremely patient advice. :-D

mga kaforum.. bakit walang sumagot?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 07, 2007, 05:47:15 PM
mga kaforum.. bakit walang sumagot?

Let's put it this way... you can't be an idiot with these things. Somehow, someway, technology 'to, and you can't just allow yourself not to know about these things. Ignorance is how equipment gets trashed and good gear just gets wasted.

Judging from your pc, you're either connecting to the onboard inputs or a consumer gaming soundcard. If you're only concerned with recording demos and maybe a few ideas, you can get by with this pero if you're after some serious recording, don't waste your time and just get a better soundcard. As it is, you can only record 2 channels or a plain stereo mix from the mixer. Anything other than that will require a whole lot of perseverance from you.

Simply connect the 1/8" stereo y-cable from the pc to the mixer's main or control room outs... ok na yun.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: in_the_tent on November 07, 2007, 06:47:31 PM
thanks sa reply.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: guitaricci on November 10, 2007, 02:12:04 PM
Hi,

My setup is...

Guitar -> DI Box -> Laptop Soundcard
..the cable I will use will have an XLR plug (for DI Box out) on one end and a Stereo Plug (for Sound Card in) on the other end

Mawawala po ba yung pagka "balanced" nung signal from the DI box to the Laptop Soundcard dahil i-coconvert ko yung isang dulo ng XLR cable from XLR plug to stereo plug?  :? :?

Thanks...   :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 11, 2007, 02:16:16 AM
Mawawala po ba yung pagka "balanced" nung signal from the DI box to the Laptop Soundcard dahil i-coconvert ko yung isang dulo ng XLR cable from XLR plug to stereo plug?  :? :?

Definitely.

A DI's balanced output 'expects' to be connected to a balanced input. In a balanced connection, the same signal is present in pins 2 and 3, but with the signal in pin 3 is opposite in terms of phase polarity to the signal in pin 2. This has noise canceling properties with respect to the connecting cable, plus the signal is summed in the receiving device giving the added benefit of 6 dB of gain.  Converting a balanced signal to stereo defeats this purpose, plus summing the 2  channels to a stereo track will result in complete cancellation. Most DI's are designed for unbalanced line level input so there is also the issue of impedance mismatch when connecting a guitar to a typical DI box.

Rather than use a DI, get a pc interface that has guitar/instrument connections instead.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: LouieAzcona on November 23, 2007, 08:54:43 AM
andito pala yung Q & A.

Sir KitC, sorry kung kinulit kita sa kabila ah.

next week po bibilin na namin ung nirecoment niniyo MAudio 1010LT. analaking tulong po ng mga sagot ninyo! salamat!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: bugoy_king on December 14, 2007, 12:31:54 AM
KitC,

I would like to get your opinion on this probable set-up (for recording drums at home):

- Macbook 2.0 GhZ, 1GB RAM (upgradable)
- Logic Pro
- MOTU UltraLite Firewire Audio Interface (10 in, 14 out)
- studio monitors (most probably Behringer Truth 2031A)
- drum mics (haven't decided which, but leaning towards Shure)

Ok na ba yung ganitong set-up? Thanks!!!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on December 14, 2007, 12:41:04 AM
I don't see why not. I assume you have a good grasp of Logic, although for audio, it's pretty straightforward. Just don't ask me how to configure its Environment... it's like playing 3D chess.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: bugoy_king on December 14, 2007, 12:56:22 AM
Honestly, i don't, although I've managed to get a few really helpful tutorials from the Net, aside from browsing thru different fora regarding Logic.

Thanks for your quick reply!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: audiopanic on December 17, 2007, 02:48:16 PM
noob question po:

i've got a pc with

athlon x2 3400
asrock ALiveNF6G-VSTA (http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=ALiveNF6G-VSTA)
2gb ddr2 533mhz ram
using built-in audio and video
40gb 5400rpm ide hdd

aside from getting another hdd (sata2), what else do i need to record guitar tracks for demo purposes with low latency? should i get a soundcard or a usb interface? i'll try out the reaper software too.

i've tried out this current setup with guitar tracks and i can't get decent real-time recording with my guitar.

suggestions naman po for the cheapest but acceptable setup.

thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: x_taxi on December 17, 2007, 03:10:59 PM
sir, subukan niyo po muna yun asio4all.  it's a free asio driver para maayos yun timin issues mo.  kung masaya ka na sa quality ng recording through your onboard, then you're set without havin to spend more.  HTH.

 :-) :-) :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: audiopanic on December 18, 2007, 02:53:05 PM
thanks! install ko mamaya sa bahay para masubukan!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: audiopanic on December 19, 2007, 08:21:03 AM
astig asio4all! parang real-time na mag-record! thanks for this tip! saved me a lot of money!

however, i experienced dropouts with guitar tracks pro and couldn't fix them. i switched to reaper and was able to record without any problems. looks like i'll be using that from now on.

thanks sa mga tips!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: solgimichki on December 21, 2007, 03:35:53 AM
iv been recording using my PC for quite some time now. usually guitar and voice lang. i run a pentium D and i use Sonar 4. my interface is the tascam us-122. latly i got a laptop to help me keep up sana wid recording on the road. and a very powerful laptop might i add. i picked my OS to be Windows Vista HE(home edition) and as it turns out hindi pala gumagana ang kahit anong music recording program sa Vista. not even my tascam can be installed.

my question is... can anyone tell me if there are any existing softwers for recording out there that can run in Vista? and if i were to get an new interface, what brand can format to Vista? please take this as a for-warning to all people that plan to upgrade their OS. VISTA CANNOT COMPLY WID ANY OLD RECORDING PROGMS or INTERFACES... believe me.. i've tried everything from pro tools to nuendo. ung pasok lang was Adobe Audition.. yuk...

thanx in advance!!!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on December 21, 2007, 07:56:26 AM
my question is... can anyone tell me if there are any existing softwers for recording out there that can run in Vista?

Sonar, beginning with version 5 and above, has been coded to take advantage of Vista specification, especially in areas of 64-bit operation. Try to upgrade to S5 or higher. Most other DAW software are being upgraded for Vista compatibility, albeit slowly.

Much harder is trying to find Vista drivers for a lot of gear, especially 64-bit drivers. Probably explains why blip.tv made this (http://blip.tv/file/340692/).

You will be better off using WinXP for DAW usage in the meantime.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ecva on January 03, 2008, 05:20:27 PM
Hi mga sir/ma'am,

Makikitanong na po sana ako.

I have a PC and these are the specs:
Gigabyte P35-DQ6
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600
2GB Corsair XMS2
Palit 8500GT
M-Audio Delta44
M-Audio Trigger Finger

Tanung lang po sana, ano po magandang mixer na i-pair sa delta44? I'm looking at the peavey pv6 mixer since I'm only going to be recording vocals lang and gusto ko sana yung maraming input options but it will only be recorded one track at a time. I'm also looking at behringer mixers. Ano po kaya mas maganda (based on mic pre-amps)?

And can I route the delta44's outputs to the mixer so I can monitor the output? How do I do that so I won't be looping the sounds coming in and out of the interface?

Salamat po ng marami.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ETM(PHILS) on January 22, 2008, 11:19:11 PM
sir, subukan niyo po muna yun asio4all.  it's a free asio driver para maayos yun timin issues mo.  kung masaya ka na sa quality ng recording through your onboard, then you're set without havin to spend more.  HTH.

 :-) :-) :-)

sir question?

my PC specs (old)

hardware:
AMD duron 800 mhz
256 MB RAM
100 gb hd
creative soundcard

software:
reaper shareware

may delay nga ang recording ko a small msecond...  I just would like to ask kung ano po ba ang asio4all? anong advantage nya for recording? meron akong zoom asio nakainstall...

may sample ako ng recordings ko sa soundclick(my signature)

Thank you.






Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: wannabeguitarist on January 23, 2008, 07:15:58 AM
aspiring to do recording, what are the basic equipments I need? yung pang beginer lang. thanks
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: audiopanic on January 23, 2008, 08:13:59 AM
sir question?

my PC specs (old)

hardware:
AMD duron 800 mhz
256 MB RAM
100 gb hd
creative soundcard

software:
reaper shareware

may delay nga ang recording ko a small msecond...  I just would like to ask kung ano po ba ang asio4all? anong advantage nya for recording? meron akong zoom asio nakainstall...

may sample ako ng recordings ko sa soundclick(my signature)

Thank you.

sinubukan ko rin yung asio4all, as suggested. nagkaroon ng asio driver yung mga audio devices ko (sound card, zoom g2.1u) so instead na wdm, asio na gamit ko kaya nawala yung latency. nakakapagrecord na ako ng tracks realtime  kahit naka-playback yung ibang tracks - hindi ko magawa yun nung wala pa akong asio4all.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 23, 2008, 10:22:55 AM
@ETM(PHILS) - your pc is getting to be on the slow side for recording. First of all, your cpu is on the bare minimum needed for most present-day software to run plus you only have 256 megs of ram... XP just barely functions with that much ram. I suggest upgrading your ram to at least 512 megs; 1 gigabyte if you can afford it will be loads better. You will be hardpressed to find a cpu upgrade, but replacing your duron with an socket-A Athlon or even Sempron (if your mobo supports it) will give you additional processing horsepower.

The asio4all drivers are ok, but I got better performance using kxdrivers with soundblasters.

aspiring to do recording, what are the basic equipments I need? yung pang beginer lang. thanks

Most computers today have what you need to start recording; internal soundcard with line inputs and outputs, all you have to add is a mixer to be able to accept multiple inputs. Bear in mind that the onboard soundcard will have compromised sound quality so don't expect to release pro sounding recordings with that. You don't need a mixer if you already have equipment with suitable line outputs. Examples are keyboards and some digital guitar multifx, but if you want to record vocals, you will need a mic preamp and a mic of course. Behringer mixers are inexpensive enough for beginners and come with several mic preamps - some models even have built-in fx.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: LouieAzcona on January 23, 2008, 08:28:34 PM
sir kit, binabasa ko kasi mga previous posts niyo dito, ano po ba ibig sabihin ng paga-assemble ng PC depende sa software? paano po malalaman kung ano ang kailangan ng software? pano kung sonar 7 or protools?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 23, 2008, 09:08:05 PM
sir kit, binabasa ko kasi mga previous posts niyo dito, ano po ba ibig sabihin ng paga-assemble ng PC depende sa software? paano po malalaman kung ano ang kailangan ng software? pano kung sonar 7 or protools?

Sonar, for example, has a minimum requirement: at least 1 GHz processor with at least 256 megs of ram. Understand that if you follow these specs, your computer will most likely crawl or grind to a screeching stop if you follow this minimum so it's entirely reasonable to expect that you should multiply the minimum values by at least 1.5 if you want to be able to do SOME audio work with your computer. Add the fact that Sonar is windows only so this somehow directs your hardware choice, although you can run Sonar on a Mac using Bootcamp, albeit with a few limitations.

There are software that are dual platform, Cubase/Nuendo, in particular, so choosing either Steinberg product will give you some flexibility in choosing your computing platform. Other software such as Logic Pro and Digital Performer are Mac only so that definitely mitigates usage in a PC. ProTools is also dual platform, btw, but the HD version of PT is so very specific with hardware requirements that it's almost mandatory to use Macs in order to avoid hardware issues. That is not to say you can't run PT on windows, but Digidesign is really picky when it comes to windows hardware.

Another factor is the soundcard. Some motherboard chipsets have issues with soundcards. For example, if you intend to use a firewire audio interface, the firewire chipset of choice is Texas Instruments. This is not some urban legend, but was arrived at by several respected DAW builders who experienced glitches with other FW chipsets such as Via, Agere and Ricoh (although Via seems to be on the rebound lately). On the pci card side, Intel's P35 is emerging as the chipset of choice nowadays, superceding the former P965 and 975 chipsets. Another thing is that pci soundcards are SLOWWLLLYYY transitioning to pcie. Some mobos only have 2 pci slots while the newer Intel X38 and X48 mobos have absolutely none, so getting a pci soundcard for an X48 mobo is just plain... you know. One more thing... some soundcards, such as Apogee's Ensemble, are Mac only so that definitely dictates your choice of computer hardware.

DAW software developers usually publish a list of recommended soundcards for their products. Cakewalk, for example, has a list of approved soundcards and listed issues with some cards previously. Usually, this is not a problem since soundcard manufacturers often release driver updates to correct these issues.

If you want to see which soundcards are usually recommended with certain DAW software, go to their user forums. I lurked in the Cakewalk forums for a year before I developed my present DAW.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: LouieAzcona on January 23, 2008, 09:31:02 PM
If you want to see which soundcards are usually recommended with certain DAW software, go to their user forums. I lurked in the Cakewalk forums for a year before I developed my present DAW.

magandang inspiration ito. salamat po!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: wannabeguitarist on January 24, 2008, 02:01:28 AM
Quote
Most computers today have what you need to start recording; internal soundcard with line inputs and outputs, all you have to add is a mixer to be able to accept multiple inputs. Bear in mind that the onboard soundcard will have compromised sound quality so don't expect to release pro sounding recordings with that. You don't need a mixer if you already have equipment with suitable line outputs. Examples are keyboards and some digital guitar multifx, but if you want to record vocals, you will need a mic preamp and a mic of course. Behringer mixers are inexpensive enough for beginners and come with several mic preamps - some models even have built-in fx.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: dorothegreat on January 27, 2008, 01:55:00 PM
sir kit, magandang araw po, ok lang po ba na gumamit ng USB soundcard ng cdr-king para sa input (guitar) at the same time ay may soundcard? salamat po.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 27, 2008, 04:25:47 PM
sir kit, magandang araw po, ok lang po ba na gumamit ng USB soundcard ng cdr-king para sa input (guitar) at the same time ay may soundcard? salamat po.

Pwede, pero it depends on which drivers your DAW is using. Asio, for example, accesses only one device at a time so you cannot use your usb guitar input at the same time as the pci or onboard soundcard. You can access multiple soundcards using wdm, but your latency can be much higher overall plus the lack of clock sync between the 2 devices.

Monitoring is often a problem when using 2 soundcards simultaneously unless you have a mixer for combining both soundcard's outputs. In my experience, asio often gives better latency performance, but I suggest experimenting with your setup to find out which is more efficient.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 27, 2008, 04:26:05 PM
sir kit, magandang araw po, ok lang po ba na gumamit ng USB soundcard ng cdr-king para sa input (guitar) at the same time ay may soundcard? salamat po.

Pwede, pero it depends on which drivers your DAW is using. Asio, for example, accesses only one device at a time so you cannot use your usb guitar input at the same time as the pci or onboard soundcard. You can access multiple soundcards using wdm, but your latency can be much higher overall plus the lack of clock sync between the 2 devices.

Monitoring is often a problem when using 2 soundcards simultaneously unless you have a mixer for combining both soundcard's outputs. In my experience, asio often gives better latency performance, but I suggest experimenting with your setup to find out which is more efficient.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: dorothegreat on January 27, 2008, 05:58:00 PM
sir kit, Guitar Tracks Pro 3 at SONAR 6 Producer Edition po meron ako, may asio4all din naka-install, ung soundcard ko po e CMI8738/c3dx, pangrecord lang po ng mga demo ang balak ko.live guitar track tapos PC DRUMMER PRO ang source ng drum tracks, di po kaya ako magkaproblema sa mixing ng 2 tracks + bass tracks? salamat po.

nga pala, advise n din po kung dapat po e guitar straight to pc (tapos use plug-ins na lang) or mag-fx na po ako between guitar and pc? :-D

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: inot1227 on February 05, 2008, 02:41:33 PM
Hi Kit,

im planning to start some intial guitar recording on my laptop,
is the E-MU 1616 enough?
i can do complete,album quality recording with it?
To do complete music recording with it,
i can get/produce all the drums, bass & vocals just from using it?

thanks,
in0t
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 05, 2008, 05:06:06 PM
nga pala, advise n din po kung dapat po e guitar straight to pc (tapos use plug-ins na lang) or mag-fx na po ako between guitar and pc? :-D

For some strange reason, your post did not get marked as 'unread', sorry if I just answered today.

Your should have no problem multitracking with either GT Pro or Sonar. Your chosen soundcard is not the best, though. It might be wise to replace it with something better.

As for recording guitar straight to pc, we do it a lot at PIMP and use plugins, but we route guitars through a DI before going into the soundcard. This is to prevent tonesuck; you can also use a preamp like the ART Tube MP or Behri Mic200 which has DI capabilities.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 05, 2008, 05:12:24 PM
im planning to start some intial guitar recording on my laptop,
is the E-MU 1616 enough?
i can do complete,album quality recording with it?

While the 1616 is a very good interface, remember that you can only access 6 analog inputs in it's most basic configuration; you will have to expand it with an 8-channel preamp with ADAT outputs to be able to increase it's I/O capability.

As is, the Emu converters are quite good but I heard you can make them sound even better by using a very good external clock such as Apogee's Big Ben or Lucid's Master Clock. I've been considering Black Lion Audio's clock for my 1820m.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: wannabeguitarist on February 06, 2008, 03:33:57 AM
Hi sir kit,

I'm currently recording using my zoom G7, cubase and laptop..questions po...
1. How can I convert the recorded music to audio?
2. Can I use zoom G7 to record the vocals

Hope you can help me...

Thanks!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 06, 2008, 03:51:25 AM
I'm currently recording using my zoom G7, cubase and laptop..questions po...
1. How can I convert the recorded music to audio?

Once the audio is in Cubase, just export the track/s to wav. Set the left and right markers and highlight the tracks you want to export; mute the tracks you don't want. Of course, perform any mixing and editing prior to exporting. Once you have a wav mixdown, you can convert it to mp3 or burn to cd accordingly.

2. Can I use zoom G7 to record the vocals?

No, although in theory, you can use an unbalanced mic through your G7 if you want to risk it. I don't recommend going that route if you want and need clean sounding vocals. You will need a separate audio interface, preamp and mic to record vocals... or do what I used to do: record a guide track, go to a studio with a great mic, record all vox and dubs there then bring home the tracks (raw) and perform final mixdown at home.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: wannabeguitarist on February 06, 2008, 04:00:11 AM
I see... Thanks!!!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: dorothegreat on February 06, 2008, 12:35:12 PM
ok lang po sir kit.

maraming salamat po sa reply :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: titser_marco on February 24, 2008, 05:43:59 PM
Chief,

I have a Delta 44 coming in and I was wondering if it could sync with another Delta 44. I've googled the thing up and I've been getting confusing answers because some say it's fine while some say it's not possible because of the lack of an SPDIF out and in. Please advise. Thanks!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 26, 2008, 01:29:28 PM
I have a Delta 44 coming in and I was wondering if it could sync with another Delta 44. I've googled the thing up and I've been getting confusing answers because some say it's fine while some say it's not possible because of the lack of an SPDIF out and in. Please advise. Thanks!

From what I know about Maudio, the 44's will sync via their drivers. Unfortunately, the configuration will most likely be 8 simultaneous inputs but only 4 outs accessible via a single card/breakout box. For some strange reason, not all 8 outputs are simultaneously available. Can someone pls. confirm?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: audionoob on February 27, 2008, 06:00:14 AM
Usually may preamp na ang mixer. Usually the number of XLR inputs equals the number of available preamps. Make sure that the number of preamps are what you need. Most mixers under 16 channels only have 2 to 6 preamps, which may be insufficient for your needs. If you decide on a 12-channel mixer with only 4 preamps, for ex., you can supplant those with external preamps connected to the line inputs such as the MIC200 or TubeMP.

hello po. sorry for quoting an old post. My boss recently setup a small studio for recording solo vocals (as a hobby), the problem now was that, i was thrust into taking care of it without any knowledge of audio recording using hardware such as mixers, condenser mics, etc. (except maybe connecting headphone-outs of cassette players to line-ins of sound cards for transferring audio-tapes to CDs) so i have a few questions:

1. my boss already have a mixer (MEKSE MR2012 (http://www.mekse.cl/productsmixer.htm)), a condenser mic (Samson C01), and a PC. The technician who set the connections told us that the mixer doesn't have the ability to provide phantom power to the mic so we can't use it. If we are to use a mic-preamp and attached that to the mixer, will it work? the cheapest mic-preamp we can find is the M-Audio Buddy Mic Preamp, is this ok for voice+music recordings to PC?

basic setup would be?

condenser mic --> mic-preamp --> mixer --> PC (onboard sound) --> software
                                                         \
                                                          +--> amplifier --> speaker (monitor)


(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y233/nubianxp/th_PDR_0146Large.jpg) (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y233/nubianxp/PDR_0146Large.jpg)


2. another question, how can i record the vocals separate from the music on the PC? is it okay to pan the vocals to the right and the music to the left so i can get separate tracks on my recording? that way i can easily edit the vocals without affecting the music and vice versa? is this possible? or what's the best method without requiring any additional hardware? i'm using Audacity BTW as my recording software.

3. Any methods of controlling the volume going to the PC? Should I max the volume sliders and trim the volume in mixer?

a bit off-topic...

4. Any thread for posting sample recordings and get some inputs on what needs to be enhanced, removed, added, etc.?

sorry, but i really have no idea about studio recordings and equipment :(
but would really like to learn.

Thanks for any help.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: luin_theblue on March 04, 2008, 09:53:32 AM
Butting in... Hehe.

For those who have tube preamps, I highly suggest you replace the stock tubes with branded ones because it's a big, big steal and improves sound quality a gazillion times more. I changed the tubes of my ART Tube Preamp (Chinese 12ax7 stock) and Behringer MIC100 (Behringer 12ax7 hand-selected stock) to Tung-Sols from MF and they are very round, quiet, and warm. I feel like when I record vocals, the singer's/speaker's voice gets sucked into the mic, through the preamps, and into the system. Hehe.

Just my two cents.  :mrgreen:

Now I have a question, my motherboard has HD audio which is incompatible with my Alesis firewire mixer (12-channels). Should I get a soundcard OR turn my mixer into the soundcard (software is Sonar 6 Home Studio)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 04, 2008, 11:26:41 AM
Now I have a question, my motherboard has HD audio which is incompatible with my Alesis firewire mixer (12-channels). Should I get a soundcard OR turn my mixer into the soundcard (software is Sonar 6 Home Studio)

Disable onboard sound if you're not using it. HD audio normally is 5.1 and the rear panel inputs only offer limited I/O. You get more inputs when using the Alesis directly; the mixer becomes the soundcard. Just make sure about the firewire chipset on your mobo - Via firewire has proven to be problematic for some people in the past, with TI firewire chipsets often recommended.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: luin_theblue on March 04, 2008, 11:30:16 AM
Firewire is a PCI card no prob.

 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 04, 2008, 01:34:54 PM
Firewire is a PCI card no prob.

That may still be a problem is the chipset on the card is Via, Agere or sometimes, Ricoh. Like I said, the FW chipset has to be TI. Even then, you have to make sure that the FW card isn't a combi 1394a/1394b card (FW400/800) - even TI chips have proven to be problematic with these 'combi' cards. Better to use solo FW400 TI chip cards. Certain high end mobos offer TI FW onboard, among them Gigabyte , Asus and Abit.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: luin_theblue on March 04, 2008, 01:40:02 PM
That may still be a problem is the chipset on the card is Via, Agere or sometimes, Ricoh. Like I said, the FW chipset has to be TI. Even then, you have to make sure that the FW card isn't a combi 1394a/1394b card (FW400/800) - even TI chips have proven to be problematic with these 'combi' cards. Better to use solo FW400 TI chip cards. Certain high end mobos offer TI FW onboard, among them Gigabyte , Asus and Abit.

Mine's an Inno3d firewire card (2 external,1 internal firewire ports). I bought it before only thinking video editing in my head. Would you know if this would cause problems?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 04, 2008, 01:49:42 PM
Mine's an Inno3d firewire card (2 external,1 internal firewire ports). I bought it before only thinking video editing in my head. Would you know if this would cause problems?

I doubt you will find TI on inexpensive FW cards. The only way to find out if the Inno3D will give you problems is to try it out with the Alesis (I'm sure Inno uses Via). First thing to do is to put the FW card in a slot that does not share an IRQ with anything! That alone will solve a lot of problems but will not solve a bad chipset problem.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: in_the_tent on March 11, 2008, 12:26:32 AM
simple question.. kapag ang gagamitin for recording ay webcam mic, kelangan pa ba ng software para marecord?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 11, 2008, 01:10:12 AM
simple question.. kapag ang gagamitin for recording ay webcam mic, kelangan pa ba ng software para marecord?

If you're recording to video (pron, maybe?), then the video capture software normally records audio with the video. But if you only want to capture audio, you will need some form of audio recording software - even simple Sound Recorder will do. Remember that this mic will most likely only have directsound/wdm drivers and latency might be a problem.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 11, 2008, 01:10:21 AM
simple question.. kapag ang gagamitin for recording ay webcam mic, kelangan pa ba ng software para marecord?

If you're recording to video (pron, maybe?), then the video capture software normally records audio with the video. But if you only want to capture audio, you will need some form of audio recording software - even simple Sound Recorder will do. Remember that this mic will most likely only have directsound/wdm drivers and latency might be a problem.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: in_the_tent on March 11, 2008, 11:02:04 AM
If you're recording to video (pron, maybe?), then the video capture software normally records audio with the video. But if you only want to capture audio, you will need some form of audio recording software - even simple Sound Recorder will do. Remember that this mic will most likely only have directsound/wdm drivers and latency might be a problem.
ano po yung pron?

so i still need to buy a video capture software? o kasama na yun nung uninstall ang A4TECH webcam ko sa pc?

Is "SOUND RECORDER" a name of a software? san binibili ito? mga how much? o downloadable ba ito? how about yung KRISTAL? Me nadownload ako eh. free daw. legal naman ho yun right? di ko lang alam gamitin pa.:)

noted po ung sa latancy.

thanks sir kit for your kind reply.:)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 11, 2008, 11:20:59 AM
ano po yung pron?

pron is webspeak for P--N (invert pron's 2 middle letters). Amateur productions of this video 'artform' have greatly increased since they introduced webcams into most peoples bedrooms (or kitchens or living rooms or bathrooms, basements, trees in backyards...  you get the picture).

so i still need to buy a video capture software? o kasama na yun nung uninstall ang A4TECH webcam ko sa pc?

Depends if the camera came with some rudimentary video capture software. Windows usually has Movie Maker which can capture video and audio (look in the Accessories folder).

Is "SOUND RECORDER" a name of a software? san binibili ito? mga how much? o downloadable ba ito? how about yung KRISTAL? Me nadownload ako eh. free daw. legal naman ho yun right? di ko lang alam gamitin pa.:)

You can find Sound Recorder in the Accessories folder; it is a very rudimentary audio recording program built into windows. You can also use Kristal, Audacity and any other software as long as it can access the webcam mic via windows drivers. Usually you will have to assign the mic as the default audio input device in window's Sound Control Panel.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: marikukuk on March 18, 2008, 01:37:49 AM
sir what kind of software the name exactly would you recomend? and where can i score one? can i download it from the net? pls tell me how tnx!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: wannabeguitarist on March 18, 2008, 02:50:44 AM
Hi Sir KitC,

question...I was able to record using my g7.1, pc and cubase, but when i played it via my pc or ipod, the sound volume is low. What do i need to adjust duirng recording to resolve this? Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 18, 2008, 12:24:22 PM
question...I was able to record using my g7.1, pc and cubase, but when i played it via my pc or ipod, the sound volume is low. What do i need to adjust duirng recording to resolve this? Thanks in advance!

Well, one thing you should always do is check levels prior to pressing the record button. Normally, I like to set levels to 0 dB for EVERYTHING, including the soundcard's control panel/mixer, then adjust things from there. If you have the volume faders slammed full on and you're still getting low levels, then it's time to check your signal chain - most likely you have external equipment that is outputting low levels or even a defective cable.

Another thing to check is your monitoring; you might have your monitors at too loud levels forcing you to overcompensate your recording levels. I will repeat, set your soundcard to 0 dB for both input and output, then adjust your monitors and your preamp levels from there.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: haey2 on March 26, 2008, 11:51:00 PM
sir KitC...newbie po in home recording...i just wanted to have some "demo" recordings as my equipments are very limited;

PC w/ jamlab installed
tube amp
guitar effects

>how can i connect  my tube amp to my PC in order to record it decently?
>which "affordable" software can you recommend for a hobbyist like me?

i'll mostly record guitar tracks lang naman...thanks in advance... 8-) 8-) 8-)




Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: diosa! on April 03, 2008, 10:13:44 PM
sir KitC...newbie po in home recording...i just wanted to have some "demo" recordings as my equipments are very limited;

PC w/ jamlab installed
tube amp
guitar effects

>how can i connect  my tube amp to my PC in order to record it decently?
>which "affordable" software can you recommend for a hobbyist like me?

i'll mostly record guitar tracks lang naman...thanks in advance... 8-) 8-) 8-)


pm me and ill give you free basic tips. :oops:





Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 03, 2008, 10:42:38 PM
@haey - Sorry if I haven't replied sooner... I can see that a goddess has decided to advice you via PM.

Anyway, from what I know about Jamlab, you connect your guitar directly to the interface without any need for an amp. This is advantageous in that you don't have to go through the motions of miking an amp (and possibly disturbing the neighbors or other members of the family), and secondly, you have a potentially quieter signal path. Disadvantages are that you cannot record a direct signal and an amp at the same time... you are forced to use amp sims with Jamlab to get your tone. At least it has a headphone/line out giving you low latency monitoring although I'm not exactly sure if it is hardware monitoring.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: haey2 on April 03, 2008, 11:09:28 PM

@diosa! - sent you a pm....thanks in advance 8-)

@KitC - no worries sir...the guitar recording that I get thru the "jamlab" seems to be decent enough for me to use as a demo... I was just thinking if I could record the tone that I get from the tube amp, as it sounds better in my ears...thanks again sir KitC... 8-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 03, 2008, 11:31:01 PM
I was just thinking if I could record the tone that I get from the tube amp, as it sounds better in my ears...

I'm thinking it would since the Jamlab amp sims aren't it's strongest suit.

I would recommend getting a multiple input interface if you want to simultaneously record the guitar direct signal plus your amp. This would entail adding equipment like a DI, mixer and mic if you're going for a miked setup. The DI will serve as a splitter allowing you to send a direct signal to your interface while another goes to your amp.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: pizarro84 on April 08, 2008, 07:55:13 AM
Just a little newbie question sirs, can I directly connect a balanced dynamic microphone to my computer's line-in?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: blueweller on April 09, 2008, 08:58:08 AM
Hello everyone!

Here's my newbie question:

Since last year I've always wanted to start and learn recording music via my pc. But because of budget reasons it was delayed. Now that I feel I can pursue (and afford) this dream/goal I want to know what are the basics that needs to be attached or installed to my pc before I begin? I've heard so much about the m-audio interface (fastrack) but is this enough to start recording? What about where to plug in the guitar, mics, bass, etc...? I'm also planning to use Abelton live 7.0.3 is this any good? I was able to download the demo and I find it ok but if you have something else let me know too. What else do I need? Nothing complicated just something to produce good music will do but I'm very much open to alot of suggestions. Sorry to ask so many questions and I'm sure this has been asked a thousand times before but I just wanna learn this so much.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: sound formula on April 10, 2008, 08:33:33 PM
good day! i am bothered by pops from the monitor speakers that occur when we play the recorded tracks when we mix. it happens especially when we play the mix of songs with relatively more tracks (say, more than 20) and songs in which we use more plug-ins for. I recently added 1GB RAM because i thought this will solve the problem but unfortunately, it didn't. my present set-up is an Intel dual core processor 2.8GHz, 2GB RAM, 64MB Video Card. I use an M-Audio Delta 1010LT PCI Recording Interface and my software is Sony Vegas 6. It really bothers me when the pops occur. Could you please help me remedy this? Thank you.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: diosa! on April 12, 2008, 10:40:03 PM
guys, ongoing is the clearance sale  on all m-audio products at jb music. for more info call or text 09272008383/09186106561/09228171590. :oops:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 17, 2008, 07:30:26 PM
@pizarro84 - No, you cannot connect a balanced mic directly to your pc's line ins.

@blueweller - the fasttrack can be good if you are recording a stereo track or 2 mono channels simultaneously. Anything more than 2 channels and you will need a multichannel soundcard or use a mixer to submix everything to stereo. I also use Ableton Live but if you intend to treat your computer as a sort of tape recorder, Ableton Live may be not what you need. I like Live for the fact that it's very easy to make rearrangements, but it has a tendency to shorten audio clips to fit the tempo of your project unless you set Live's preferences properly. You can use Live similarly to Sonar and Cubase although it's working paradigm is different from either program.

@sound formula - ram isn't so much a factor during recording, your processor is more than enough for the task. One thing to look at would be your hard disk; either it's fragmented or too slow for the job. Another thing is to record with as little plugins active as possible. Also, check your soundcard latency settings - it might be set too low even for your cpu.

hth,
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: blueweller on April 21, 2008, 05:55:59 AM
Thanks sa advise Sir Kit! But for a novice like me and who's just starting from scratch will you recommend the fast track right away?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kaloyster on April 21, 2008, 09:13:58 AM
@blueweller, I'm no KitC but I can recommend you the Fast Track Pro. Like you I'm a newbie as well in the audio recording field and I'm getting good results with my Fast Track.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 21, 2008, 03:51:07 PM
Thanks sa advise Sir Kit! But for a novice like me and who's just starting from scratch will you recommend the fast track right away?

I'd say it's a safe bet to go with known brands. One more thing, make sure that the inputs (and outputs) are sufficient for your needs. The new Fast Track Pro looks like a good multi-input card but I'm thinking it's pricey.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: titser_marco on April 22, 2008, 11:22:24 PM
Help!

I'm planning to run the following software on my PC using a Delta 44 Soundcard:

Sibelius 4
Reaper + A lot of freeware softsynths and VST effects
Sound Forge
Cool Edit Pro

all of which would be running on Windows XP.

What specs should I look for? I'm off to go to Gilmore to get the following:

Processor
Motherboard
RAM
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 23, 2008, 12:16:52 AM
@titser - if budget isn't much of a problem, Intel is the better bet in terms of performance. You have a choice from the E21xx series up to the quad core Q6xxx series. The Delta 44 is a pci card so you need a mobo with at least 3 pci slots. Right now, the Intel P35 chipset is proven for DAW use so that leaves you with the Gigabyte GA P35-DS3, Abit IP35 and MSI P35 Neo3. Get at least 1 gig of ram, preferably dual channel. 2 gigs of DDR2 800 ram cost P2.3k - cost effective and high performance at the same time.

hth,
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: pizarro84 on April 29, 2008, 04:02:30 AM
Salamat po sir kit  :-) ngayun ko lang nabasa
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Peter North on June 05, 2008, 03:58:39 PM
Sir Kit,

I'm planning to record my band. I have an ASUS laptap, core 2 duo, 2 gig of memory, 160 gig hard disk. I'm planning of buying an Alesis Firewire Multimix 12, would this be enough to record drums? How many tracks will appear on my laptap?

pasensya na po, bagito pa ako sa larangan ng recording.

Salamat ng marami.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 05, 2008, 06:40:27 PM
You can get up to 12 tracks with the Alesis FW Multimix 12. Just make sure your laptop's FW chipset is up to the task since some onboard FW chips have issues with audio - verify first with Alesis for possible compatibility problems. If so, you might have to invest in a pcmcia or expresscard firewire expansion.

If you use a 4-mic setup for drums, you should have no problems recording an entire band. Note that the Multimix's other channels are ganged to stereo faders as well as being line level inputs only. Unless you have additional preamps for mics, you are limited to the 4 mic preamps in the multimix.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: britesynth on June 05, 2008, 09:14:01 PM
kung may 15k ako at gusto ko sana mag upgrade ng pc, alin po kaya dapat ko unahin palitan?

(specs???)
motherboard?...
processor?...
memory?...
soundcard?... (alin mas ok internal or external? - kung external ano advisable?)
15k lang muna po ah ang budget, wala po kasi ako mashado alam pag dating sa specs ng mga pc o laptop,

vocals lang halos ang kelangan irecord ng live (kahit home recording lang o pang demo lang shempre mas maganda kung malinis) yung music sa softwares na, suggestions?  :? thanks!  :-D 
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Peter North on June 06, 2008, 01:14:36 PM
Thanks a lot Sir Kit!

I've read some infos about alesis multimix firewire products and it appears that there are many issues about them. I'm having second thoughts of acquiring one. Anyway, right now i have a mixer with 24 mic preamps (China made mixer). How can i make use of this  mixer to record our songs to my laptap? what would be the minimal interface (don't know if its the right term) that i should buy?

Thanks ulit sir.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 06, 2008, 07:35:29 PM
@britesynth - 15k will not get you very far since a mobo and cpu will already set you back about 9k. That leaves you very little for other peripherals unless you are going to re-use some peripherals like drive/s, burners, and the case. It's often recommended to use at least 500w PSUs with the newer boards even though they are energy efficient; most audio computer have at least 2 hard disks and burners as well as lots of ram and an efficient fan system, so the PSU wattage is justified.

@Peter North - it depends on your mixer configuration. Some 24 channel mixers come in 4-buss or 8-buss configurations which can help you with your soundcard choice, e.g., pair a 4-buss mixer with a 4-input soundcard. I still maintain that if you can afford an interface with at least 8 inputs, the better - you never know when the additional inputs will come in handy. There are loads of firewire interfaces out there from Presonus, Focusrite... even A.R.T. has the Tubefire which pairs 8 of it's TubeMP preamps with a firewire interface. Even Phonic has a firewire mixer similar to Alesis. For the record, we have used an Alesis FW Multimix8 with no problems other than 8 channels is too limiting for our needs - ask xjepoyx for our experience with the Multimix.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: carl20 on June 07, 2008, 09:15:25 AM
Thanks a lot Sir Kit!

I've read some infos about alesis multimix firewire products and it appears that there are many issues about them. I'm having second thoughts of acquiring one. Anyway, right now i have a mixer with 24 mic preamps (China made mixer). How can i make use of this  mixer to record our songs to my laptap? what would be the minimal interface (don't know if its the right term) that i should buy?

Thanks ulit sir.

M-Audio delta 1010LT try mo
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Peter North on June 07, 2008, 09:53:53 AM
Again, many thanks Sir Kit.

Ok, i've already asked my cousin in canada to buy me stuff for my home studio. Here's what i've search in ebay so far.

Alesis Multimix 12 firewire - C$ 285.41
Phonic *Helix 18 Firewire b* MKII - C$ 304.83

Given the above products, what would be your recommendation?

Thanks ulit sa walang sawang pagtugon sa aking kakulitan.. hehehehe

God Bless
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 07, 2008, 10:11:17 AM
I'm not saying that one is better than the other, but the Phonic has 8 mic preamps compared to Alesis' 4, and the Phonic includes Cubase LE - I'd say it's the better deal.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Peter North on June 07, 2008, 11:35:08 AM
thank you very much sir kit.

you're d man!

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: star on June 07, 2008, 12:56:21 PM
sir ako BUDGET ko po 25k.. khit wala munang sound card...
ano po ba exact specs  kelangan ko...

MOBO - ?
CPU    - ?
RAM   - ?
HD     - ?
V-card- ?

yung mga hindi ko po nabanggit meron na po ako..  :lol: :wink:

sa sound card naman po budget ko 15k ano po mairecomend nyo?
pang house recording lang po.... my mixer na kmi SL2442 behringer.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 08, 2008, 01:01:58 PM
sir ako BUDGET ko po 25k.. khit wala munang sound card...
ano po ba exact specs  kelangan ko...

Next to the software, the soundcard is the most important element you should take into consideration when building your audio computer. That said, based on present chipsets, use an Intel P35 or X38 chipset. Most brands are ok although there have been DPC latency issues with Gigabyte mobos. One thing you should consider is if the mobo is quad core (or more) ready. Unfortunately, the upcoming Nehalem cpu architecture is incompatible the present 775 mobos in the market today.

For ram, get 2 gigs at least DDR2-800. Seagate drives have proven to be quite reliable, get SATA drives (if getting SATAII, make sure your mobo is capable). Vidcard? Any medium powered card will do, you don't need highpowered 8800GTs or 3870 SLI systems for audio work.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: row on June 15, 2008, 03:14:09 PM
help naman. would i rather set up my pc for recording or do it w/ a recording studio? im planning to record my compositions po and independently produce my own record. thanks poh.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jay_burn on June 23, 2008, 12:48:40 AM
hello.. i recently bought an Alesis Firewire Multimix 8 and an ADS Tech PYRO PCI 64R2 Firewire Card.  now i'm planning to build a pc for my planned home recording studio. is this specs ok?
Intel E4600
Gigabyte ga-p35-ds3l
320gb Seagate sata
2x1gb kingston 800 ddr2
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: carl20 on June 25, 2008, 04:40:53 PM
hello.. i recently bought an Alesis Firewire Multimix 8 and an ADS Tech PYRO PCI 64R2 Firewire Card.  now i'm planning to build a pc for my planned home recording studio. is this specs ok?
Intel E4600
Gigabyte ga-p35-ds3l
320gb Seagate sata
2x1gb kingston 800 ddr2


oks na yan laban na yan!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jamming_papu on June 26, 2008, 02:16:45 AM
hello.. i recently bought an Alesis Firewire Multimix 8 and an ADS Tech PYRO PCI 64R2 Firewire Card.  now i'm planning to build a pc for my planned home recording studio. is this specs ok?
Intel E4600
Gigabyte ga-p35-ds3l
320gb Seagate sata
2x1gb kingston 800 ddr2


not just ok but good. with that memory and processor, simultaneous multi-track won't have a problem. ... i think. i have a 1 gb and all seems well in 3 tracks simultaneous. a 2gb would definitely be better. with a 320 gb SATA, you would probably not worry so much of the big space which audio tracks makes.  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 27, 2008, 11:53:42 AM
not just ok but good. with that memory and processor, simultaneous multi-track won't have a problem. ... i think. i have a 1 gb and all seems well in 3 tracks simultaneous. a 2gb would definitely be better. with a 320 gb SATA, you would probably not worry so much of the big space which audio tracks makes.  :-D

Experience has taught me that it's better to have 2 or more physical drives instead of just one. Even if you partition a large drive, when you lose the MBR, that drive is format material and you lose all your data. Better to have a small sized system drive (say, 80 gigs) and leave the large drive for your data.

It also pays to backup your projects every once in a while - that why I have a couple of external drives strictly for backing up all my projects, among other stuff  :wink: . Think of it... just because the MTBF (mean time between failures) says 1 million hours, it doesn't mean your drive will last that long. Mean time is just the average between 1 hour of flawless operation and 2 million hours before any particular drive... fails.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jamming_papu on June 28, 2008, 02:27:51 AM
thanks for another idea sir kit. i'll be saving my finish master track and some important single tracks on a cd then.  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: titser_marco on July 12, 2008, 08:43:38 PM
What's a good FW PCI card? I'm thinking of getting an M-Audio FW1814 kasi.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on July 14, 2008, 09:41:35 AM
What's a good FW PCI card? I'm thinking of getting an M-Audio FW1814 kasi.

Look for a FW card with a Texas Instruments chipset if you want the least problems. bindoy was selling one in the classifieds not too long ago.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: titser_marco on July 14, 2008, 10:03:40 AM
Look for a FW card with a Texas Instruments chipset if you want the least problems. bindoy was selling one in the classifieds not too long ago.

Boss, I just looked it up, and he's selling a PCMCIA card. I need one san for my PCI slot.

Is it really impossible to work with a Via chipset? I'm using a PIV 2.4GHZ on an MSI board by the way.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on July 14, 2008, 10:30:49 AM
Boss, I just looked it up, and he's selling a PCMCIA card. I need one san for my PCI slot.

Ganun ba? I know it was a pci card... why not try contacting him to clarify.

Is it really impossible to work with a Via chipset? I'm using a PIV 2.4GHZ on an MSI board by the way.

Medyo touch and go ang mga via. It's usually dependent on the FW drivers kasi. The only way to find out is to try. Max out the track count during recording and see how far you can get with the via FW. RME have successfully used their Fireface with Via FW... who knows? Maybe Via got their drivers right this time and Maudio is more attuned to Via.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: x_taxi on July 14, 2008, 11:18:15 AM
you can always use the firewire off an old audigy card if you have one.  just don't install any of the creative drivers.  windows will always install drivers for the firewire chipset and it'll work even if you don't install the soundcard drivers.

some people at the digidesign forums have had more success with an audigy than some pci firewire cards.

 :-) :-) :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: notEworthy27 on August 01, 2008, 04:05:46 AM
sir, balak ko pong kumuha ng delta1010. I'm wondering whether it'll be wise to get a break-out box from m-audio or a mixer with direct outs would do?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: LouieAzcona on August 01, 2008, 05:59:39 PM
sir, balak ko pong kumuha ng delta1010. I'm wondering whether it'll be wise to get a break-out box from m-audio or a mixer with direct outs would do?

mixer with direct outs would do... ako nga mixerless eh... after 8 months of using delta1010lt, wala parin ako balak kumuha ng  mixer... una walang budget, pangalawa, hindi ko pa nararamdaman na kailangan ko na... siguro kapag puro condenser na ang mics ko (para sa acoustic drumkit), oras na bumili ng mixer.

i suggest, kunin mo muna yung delta1010, bago ka magdecide kung ano bibilhin. maganda mapagaralan mo muna. dati, muntik na ako bumili ng mixer,,, buti nalang madami ako nadiscover about sa m-audio.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: notEworthy27 on August 08, 2008, 06:15:03 PM
salamat sa reply! hmmm. Well, sooner or later i will be needing the mixer anyway for the condenser mics. so does this mean that the preamps of a mixer will be much better than the preamps of the m-audio break out box? sir pm niyo naman ako. I'd like to know more of your experiences. :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: LouieAzcona on August 08, 2008, 06:43:02 PM
so does this mean that the preamps of a mixer will be much better than the preamps of the m-audio break out box?

hmmm. honestly, i dont know., i have not used those tools yet, . ill just pm you about what i know. haha.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: stilljey on August 08, 2008, 07:24:53 PM
standalone preamps is much better than preamp of a mixer or interface with built in preamp
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: LouieAzcona on August 09, 2008, 11:10:54 AM
standalone preamps is much better than preamp of a mixer or interface with built in preamp

what kind of "better" is that? kasi balak ko din bumili ng stand alone preamps eh
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: stilljey on August 10, 2008, 11:50:59 PM
what kind of "better" is that?
price range of $300-$500 preamp, dual or multi-channel depende sa needs mo. And if budget allow you can go for UA to Avalon, Presonus, Vintech, Grace...etc.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: titser_marco on August 13, 2008, 12:50:11 AM
More questions, KitC if you don't mind:

Win XP RAM question:

1. I've been reading that there's not much point in investing in more than 2GB RAM in an XP system, but some sites I've seen say that  the /3GB and/or /PAE switch can allow Windows to access the entire 4GB. What's the score [for audio, at least], really?

Page file question:

2. Should I put the page file on a separate drive, or put it in the fastest parts of a drive? I read some of your replies and you mentioned that it can be done using the right software. I'd appreciate guidance on this.

Cheers, chief!

BTW: MIDI's working real sweet now :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 13, 2008, 08:51:04 AM
Win XP RAM question:

1. I've been reading that there's not much point in investing in more than 2GB RAM in an XP system, but some sites I've seen say that  the /3GB and/or /PAE switch can allow Windows to access the entire 4GB. What's the score [for audio, at least], really?

Gerard seems to be the master at this lately but here's the skiiny... Since XP is only 32-bit, it can only address a maximum of 4 Gb ram. From the MS Support site, they mention this:

Quote
Operating systems based on Microsoft® Windows NT® technologies have always provided applications with a flat 32-bit virtual address space that describes 4 gigabytes (GB) of virtual memory. The address space is usually split so that 2 GB of address space is directly accessible to the application and the other 2 GB is only accessible to the Windows executive software.

The /3Gb switch tells XP to let applications use more than 2 Gb, approx 3.2 Gb, leaving the rest for Windows.

For audio, having a lot of ram isn't that important for tracking. It only means you can have a lot of applications open simultaneously without windows having to access the swap file every now and then. This also means faster program access and switching since ram is faster than reading from disk. Ram does become important when you use a lot of virtual instruments - samplers are especially sensitive to ram and with libraries being several gigabytes in size, having sizable ram is a must (disk streaming is sometimes not fast enough if you need lots of polyphony).

If track count is a concern, however, faster hard disk access is more important, that's why it's often recommended that you defrag before every session.

Page file question:

2. Should I put the page file on a separate drive, or put it in the fastest parts of a drive? I read some of your replies and you mentioned that it can be done using the right software. I'd appreciate guidance on this.

Some people partition a small space on the system drive just to serve the swap file - something like 4 gigs will do since the swap file is often 1.5 times the size of your installed ram. At and above 2 gigs ram, however, the swap file becomes moot since your available ram is more than capable of handling most applictions (except for samplers as explained above). There are special partitioning software that can assign a specific space on the drive for the partition location; can't recall if it was Partition Magic or Paragon's partitioning soft.

Going back to our physics, the tangential speed of a disk is fastest at the outside edge of the platter. This means that data access should be fastest at the outer edge. By location a partition there and assigning it to the swap file, you can theoretically speed up hard disk access - this is only pertinent with the data in the swap file, though. Special defragmenting software (like Ultimate Defrag) locate your directories and the MFT (master file table) in the outer edge of the platter making data access faster. Bear in mind. also, that the rotation speeds also have a bearing on HD data throughput; a 7200 rpm disk will spew out data faster than a 5400 or 4200 rpm drive - that's why 10,000 rpm Raptors are so expensive.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: titser_marco on August 13, 2008, 12:09:17 PM
Gerard seems to be the master at this lately but here's the skiiny... Since XP is only 32-bit, it can only address a maximum of 4 Gb ram. From the MS Support site, they mention this:

The /3Gb switch tells XP to let applications use more than 2 Gb, approx 3.2 Gb, leaving the rest for Windows.

For audio, having a lot of ram isn't that important for tracking. It only means you can have a lot of applications open simultaneously without windows having to access the swap file every now and then. This also means faster program access and switching since ram is faster than reading from disk. Ram does become important when you use a lot of virtual instruments - samplers are especially sensitive to ram and with libraries being several gigabytes in size, having sizable ram is a must (disk streaming is sometimes not fast enough if you need lots of polyphony).


I see. Currently, I have a lot of VSTis [DSK Brass, GTG Drummer, DSK Strings, Guitar Rig 3, et al.] loaded in a project. Will more RAM mean better performance given these project specs?


If track count is a concern, however, faster hard disk access is more important, that's why it's often recommended that you defrag before every session.

Some people partition a small space on the system drive just to serve the swap file - something like 4 gigs will do since the swap file is often 1.5 times the size of your installed ram. At and above 2 gigs ram, however, the swap file becomes moot since your available ram is more than capable of handling most applictions (except for samplers as explained above). There are special partitioning software that can assign a specific space on the drive for the partition location; can't recall if it was Partition Magic or Paragon's partitioning soft.

Going back to our physics, the tangential speed of a disk is fastest at the outside edge of the platter. This means that data access should be fastest at the outer edge. By location a partition there and assigning it to the swap file, you can theoretically speed up hard disk access - this is only pertinent with the data in the swap file, though. Special defragmenting software (like Ultimate Defrag) locate your directories and the MFT (master file table) in the outer edge of the platter making data access faster. Bear in mind. also, that the rotation speeds also have a bearing on HD data throughput; a 7200 rpm disk will spew out data faster than a 5400 or 4200 rpm drive - that's why 10,000 rpm Raptors are so expensive.

Hmm, got it. Will a 7200 RPM drive be sufficient for my needs? I don't see my projects going beyond the 24-track mark. :) Will a SATA drive be siginificantly faster than an IDE drive, btw?

Thanks KitC!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 13, 2008, 06:12:49 PM
I see. Currently, I have a lot of VSTis [DSK Brass, GTG Drummer, DSK Strings, Guitar Rig 3, et al.] loaded in a project. Will more RAM mean better performance given these project specs?

Not really since most of the mentioned VSTIs aren't 'heavy hitters', ram-wise; you will find that having a fast processor is more important in this case. If you use a lot sample-based instruments (Kontakt, Halion, Gigasampler, EmulatorX...), this is where ram becomes very important.

Hmm, got it. Will a 7200 RPM drive be sufficient for my needs? I don't see my projects going beyond the 24-track mark. :) Will a SATA drive be siginificantly faster than an IDE drive, btw?

7200 rpm is quite sufficient, provided you are running at ATA-5 or even ATA-6 speeds. If your IDE HD controller is incapable of that (a rarity nowadays), you might have to upgrade your motherboard. SATA is quite faster than IDE. IDE has a theoretical maximum of 133 megabits per sec while SATA1 is at 150 mbps; SATA2 drives are rated at 300 mbps.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: titser_marco on August 13, 2008, 07:55:58 PM
I see. Thanks kit! By the way, what free drum sampler can you recommend? The GTG free drum sampler worked fine, but I found it limiting because i need more pads. Moreover, I don't think I'll be able to change the MIDI note assignments for each pad - which I need, considering that I need to sync it with my Alesis SR16 :)

Thanks again!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 14, 2008, 10:05:57 AM
I honestly don't know what free sampler to recommend since I've almost been exclusively using the VSTIs in Sonar, Cubase and Live, along with EmulatorX. You can try this though, SuperDrumFX (http://www.superdrumfx.com/index.php?site=download), Short Circuit (http://vemberaudio.se/shortcircuit.php), and Grizzly (http://www.majken.se/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6&Itemid=9). Both SuperDrumFX and Grizzly have something like 8-10 pads, but Short Circuit is quite deep with lots of editing options and sample compatibility (it used to be paid software but is now unsupported freeware).
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: titser_marco on August 14, 2008, 10:24:17 AM
God, what would Philmusic do without Kit? Thanks uli, man!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: siore on August 14, 2008, 10:32:30 AM
Hey, I needed those too!  Thanks KitC.   :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 14, 2008, 10:34:32 AM
Always a pleasure, guys!  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: titser_marco on August 14, 2008, 11:14:00 AM
Grabe, I never thought MIDI would be this much fun - and relatively affordable. :)

I just hope I can survive on a p4 system hehehe
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 14, 2008, 01:52:05 PM
Believe me, you can. My first "serious" DAW involved an Athlon 1700+ with 512 megs of ram, but it did house my Emu 1820m though.  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: titser_marco on August 16, 2008, 12:29:25 AM
Whooopeee there's hope!

KitC, mind sharing the programs [sequencers, samplers, audio editors, plugins] that you used when you had that set up? I'm thinking of using those in my p4 system until I have money for an upgrade. Thanks! :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 19, 2008, 09:46:07 AM
Whooopeee there's hope!

KitC, mind sharing the programs [sequencers, samplers, audio editors, plugins] that you used when you had that set up?

Sequencers - Sonar 4, Cubase SL2
Sampler - EmulatorX 1.5
Audio Editor - Wavelab Lite
Plugins - almost every free stuff you can find, but I've been using digitalfishphones a lot.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: nolit on August 20, 2008, 12:39:25 AM
I have heard of monitor matrix from behringer and from samson (C Control). Both devices handles 3 stereo outputs from mixable 3 inputs.

My question is this. Since mastering employs checking the playability of a music on several hardwares, it is imperative to use several speakers. How can I feed an output from my soundcard to feed at least 4 devices where I can monitor how the music will play on several devices such as powered speakers, stereo component, line in on portable cassette players, etc. It would be best if you will have fader controls on each. This device sounds like the opposite of a mixer... where you have one signal source and feed to multiple outs. Getting an 8 bus mixer is expensive and a waste of those inputs as I only need the 8 outputs.

I am posting this question for a friend. Since I am using EMU 1820m with 4 monitor outs - this issue do not apply on me.  But I know a lot of people have  other soundcards and this may be a problem.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 20, 2008, 08:44:25 AM
This is where the monitor matrix like the C-Control comes in. It can route any input to any output, sometimes all 3 at the same time. At work, we use a Presonus Central Station; Mackie has the Big Knob which does the same thing.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: bindoy on August 20, 2008, 08:52:38 AM
This is where the monitor matrix like the C-Control comes in. It can route any input to any output, sometimes all 3 at the same time. At work, we use a Presonus Central Station; Mackie has the Big Knob which does the same thing.

haay matagal ko nang asam.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: melody_guitar on September 06, 2008, 04:21:51 PM
does anyone here knows the free downloadable software KRISTAL AUDIO ENGINE??.. does anyone here have tried and used it?? ako kasi eto yung main software na ginagamit ko for more than two years now.. but now, im studying the cakewalk 2.0 version.. reviews naman sa kristal audio engine guys kung meron man..salamat po ng marami....
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: pings15 on September 08, 2008, 09:58:06 PM
quick Q:

lets say i have a mixer..  how can i connect it through my PC?.. and use it as my soundcard?

will the pc detect how many I/O does it have?..



thanks!

(i think my question is related sa topic sorry pag hindi or pag may nakapagtanong na i cant use the search eh, im having these error messages (my internet is the problem) )
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jamming_papu on September 09, 2008, 12:18:52 AM
quick Q:

lets say i have a mixer..  how can i connect it through my PC?.. and use it as my soundcard?

will the pc detect how many I/O does it have?..

thanks!

(i think my question is related sa topic sorry pag hindi or pag may nakapagtanong na i cant use the search eh, im having these error messages (my internet is the problem) )

quick A.

i haven't see anyone did this. maybe you are referring to use the outs (like control, rca-line out, headphone out) of the mixer and directly plugging it to the 1/8" audio line in of your pc. i tried it myself in my own desktop and mixer. nothing happens.
im not sure why. (can anyone tell us why?  :-D)

anyways, if you like to connect your mixer to your pc then you should have a proper interface that would mediate between your analog sound signal to the digital language of your pc. behringer uca usb, Maudio 2496 are some stuff that can do this job. 8-)

however, some mixers are pc ready to record all the channels in their inputs and track them as separate tracks in a recording software. try looking for Alesis multimix usb and firewire in the net for example.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 09, 2008, 08:22:46 AM
quick A.

i haven't see anyone did this. maybe you are referring to use the outs (like control, rca-line out, headphone out) of the mixer and directly plugging it to the 1/8" audio line in of your pc. i tried it myself in my own desktop and mixer. nothing happens.
im not sure why. (can anyone tell us why?  :-D)

First, check your routings. You should connect the mixer out to the line in, which is usually blue in color - line outs begin at lime green. Next, make sure you have line in activated in the sound control panel. Unless that input is selected for recording, your software won't 'hear' anything. Lastly, if you are connecting the pc outs to your mixer's stereo input, be it tape in or a spare stereo strip, you might encounter feedback looping. Go to Tweakheadz.com and study the guides. There are several diagrams there on how to 'wire' your studio.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Zazza on September 09, 2008, 05:19:53 PM
jose roberto,

Judging from your pc specs, you didn't mention a soundcard so I assume your pc has onboard sound. While you can record using onboard sound, remember that it is bound by the following limitations:

a. Not-so-great sound quality. Motherboards are built to a price specification and sound often takes a backseat  so don't expect high quality converters here. There will he higher noise levels and the line in usually doubles as part of the 5.1 or 7.1 output so operation of the inputs is a compromise.

b. Limited sample rate capability. It's either 44.1 or 48 kHz... 96 kHz? Forget it! Plus, if the mobo has s/pdif, it's almost always an output operating at 48 kHz ONLY.

c. Analog I/O is in 1/8" stereo jacks. Not the most robust of connections plus these are prone to component failures when repeatedly inserting and removing the plugs; this is due to the way the sockets are soldered onto the board. You can get around this by making a sort of 'breakout' extension cable that puts the strain of repeated removal and insertions (necessary when you have a lot of gear but only one pair of inputs) on the breakout. Some use a small mixer to act as a breakout.

That said, get a good soundcard if you want to sound better. Better yet, get a soundcard designed for audio recording. Soundblasters are a good place to start but are not really meant for serious recording, but will do for demos. The M-Audio brand is very good for recording and has a range to suit most budgets.

I'm not sure if you can plug your G1 direct since I can't find any reference to it on the net. I'm sure it was meant for direct connection to an amp; if it has a designated line out, you can plug that into your mixer/soundcard. If in doubt, use it's headphone connection instead, but watch out for levels!

To do a blow-by-blow here might make this post inordinately too long, but the short of it is to connect your signals to your inputs and to watch out for levels! If it's too loud, reduce volume at the source, not at the soundcard input. Another thing to consider is how you are monitoring (or listening) to what is coming into your soundcard; whats the point of recording if you can't hear it? Again, if you are still relying on onboard sound, remember the old computer axiom, G-I-G-O.

Sign up for the PC Recording workshop we have planned for the 9th. You might learn a trick or 2.



Sir Kit,

I highlighted the one above as my main question po. I plan to run an Athlon 64 system with 2gb DDR2 and 320g HDD, plus a Creative Audigy soundcard. Panu po ung "breakout" galing sa soundcard? And if that would be a small mixer, can you recommend a brand which is affordable po? I also plan to get KRK Studio monitors po. Dun ko ba ico-connect un sa mixer/breakout? Do i need a small mixer to get tha ball rollin' for my studio monitor speakers? Coz i also plan to mic my amp/guitar so a microphone looms too.

I'll record mostly guitar stuff, have no plans on MIDI yet. And besides getting a guitar USB input interface, what mostly do i need? I intend to get the KRK speakers pero I'm kinda lost in the setup process  :? Sorry i'm totally noob with recording setup process  :-D

Thanks in advance sir!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 09, 2008, 07:02:28 PM
I highlighted the one above as my main question po. I plan to run an Athlon 64 system with 2gb DDR2 and 320g HDD, plus a Creative Audigy soundcard. Panu po ung "breakout" galing sa soundcard? And if that would be a small mixer, can you recommend a brand which is affordable po? I also plan to get KRK Studio monitors po. Dun ko ba ico-connect un sa mixer/breakout? Do i need a small mixer to get tha ball rollin' for my studio monitor speakers? Coz i also plan to mic my amp/guitar so a microphone looms too.

Here's the thing... when starting out, you would want the simplest setup you can probably manage. I suggest sticking to a single audio interface, preferably a guitar usb interface. Come to terms with your equipment, then expand later as your skill grows. You may not even need the audigy if you choose the right usb interface. A good example is the Line6 Toneport UX1 which has both guitar and mic inputs. No need for a mixer; just add one as your needs grow. Start small, simple and inexpensive when learning.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Zazza on September 09, 2008, 08:18:00 PM
Here's the thing... when starting out, you would want the simplest setup you can probably manage. I suggest sticking to a single audio interface, preferably a guitar usb interface. Come to terms with your equipment, then expand later as your skill grows. You may not even need the audigy if you choose the right usb interface. A good example is the Line6 Toneport UX1 which has both guitar and mic inputs. No need for a mixer; just add one as your needs grow. Start small, simple and inexpensive when learning.

Thanks for the input Sir!

About the studio monitors, do i still need them (sorry silly question i guess) or the Altecs and Philips 5.1 that i have preowned will suffice?

Cheers!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: xjepoyx on September 09, 2008, 09:21:07 PM
Thanks for the input Sir!

About the studio monitors, do i still need them (sorry silly question i guess) or the Altecs and Philips 5.1 that i have preowned will suffice?

Cheers!

If you're really plunging into this kind of hobby or profession... What you really need to invest first is your monitors....

I myself started with computer speakers... when i listened to my past recordings and mixes with my KRK's.... Haaaaaaaaayy grabe ang dami kong gs2ng baguhin!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Zazza on September 09, 2008, 09:52:27 PM
If you're really plunging into this kind of hobby or profession... What you really need to invest first is your monitors....

I myself started with computer speakers... when i listened to my past recordings and mixes with my KRK's.... Haaaaaaaaayy grabe ang dami kong gs2ng baguhin!

Thanks for that Jepoy  :-D I think that nails it! Coz i felt that PC speakers ain't gonna cut it.

I'm gonna invest on the Line6 Toneport and a pair of KRKs or Samsons that'll fit my budget.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: xjepoyx on September 09, 2008, 09:57:24 PM
Thanks for that Jepoy  :-D I think that nails it! Coz i felt that PC speakers ain't gonna cut it.

I'm gonna invest on the Line6 Toneport and a pair of KRKs or Samsons that'll fit my budget.

Cheers!

AFAIK may clearance sale ang TMS on KRK Speakers also AP has a clearance sale. Try to contact forerunnertech re: KRKs and Tarkuz re: Samson Monitors
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jamming_papu on September 10, 2008, 12:32:52 AM
First, check your routings. You should connect the mixer out to the line in, which is usually blue in color - line outs begin at lime green. ...

thanks for the answer sir kit. with some clicks in my pc's control panel, napagana ko yung from rca line outs of mixer to 1/8" line in of pc. however, level and sound read by the pc was quite bad. well, what would i expect of a stock soundcard which is built-in on the motherboard?  :-D

as long as my M-audio 2496 works, im in and still good on my recordings.  8-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 10, 2008, 08:01:29 AM
what would i expect of a stock soundcard which is built-in on the motherboard?  :-D

There are some onboard audio that sound good when properly routed. The old Nvidia mobos with soundstream were quite good for their time. My previous mobo, K7N2 Delta had optical outs that I routed into my 1820m - did that so I can play the occasional game using onboard sound so that the directx drivers didn't fudge up the Emu's settings and my DAW's asio configuration. At one time I even had digital coax out from my DSP Factory going into the EMu as well! It made for some interesting routings.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: titser_marco on September 10, 2008, 09:31:54 PM
Hi!

I finally got the Delta 44! Whooohoo!

Next question:

I currently run a 2.4 GHz P4 system with 1GB of RAM. Now, a friend is selling a mobo and processor package that contains an LGA 775 mobo and a Celeron D 3 GHz processor. My question is will that upgrade result in a significantly faster and more capable system? I know that this upgrade will eventually allow me upgrade higher end processors, but I'd like to know if I could work with more speed with this Celeron unit.

Also, would it be wise to get a dual core processor for this mobo eventually?  Will a 2.0 GHz dual core processor be faster than a 3.0 GHz Celeron D? Thanks!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 11, 2008, 08:21:02 AM
Celerons are usually P4s with smaller caches; this sometimes has an impact on performance. Surprisingly, there was a mobile celeron that outperformed the same speed P4; these were based on the Sonoma laptop chipset.

Check your mobo for dual core compatibility first. Newer cpus coming out are now based on the 45 nm process and some mobos/chipsets are incompatible with those.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 11, 2008, 08:21:10 AM
Celerons are usually P4s with smaller caches; this sometimes has an impact on performance. Surprisingly, there was a mobile celeron that outperformed the same speed P4; these were based on the Sonoma laptop chipset.

Check your mobo for dual core compatibility first. Newer cpus coming out are now based on the 45 nm process and some mobos/chipsets are incompatible with those.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: titser_marco on September 11, 2008, 09:10:19 AM
Got it, Kit! Buti na lang the guy still has the manuals for this unit. Another bonus I guess is the fact that it's still in its housing so I can run the two systems in parallel and see which is faster. Thanks again Kit!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: titser_marco on September 12, 2008, 10:11:49 PM
Ok another set of noob questions:

Hard Drive Allocation:

Okay, so I have the following drives:

1 x Seagate 120 GB SATA
1 x Maxtor 40GB SATA
1 x Seagate 120 GB IDE
1 x Seagate 40 GB IDE

So how should I partition these?

Where do I put the following:

OS and apps
VST plugins
Samples
Audio Project Data
Swap File
Other files [Mp3s, other docs]

Power Supply Question:

How many watts and amperes would I need to support this system:

1 x P4 2.4 GHz
4 x DDR400 RAM
1 x Seagate 120 GB SATA
1 x Maxtor 40GB SATA
1 x Seagate 120 GB IDE
1 x Seagate 40 GB IDE
1 x ATI Radeon Video Card
1 x IDE DVD ROM
1 x IDE DVD / CD Writer
2 x PCI Delta 44 Soundcard
1 x PCI SoundBlaster MIDI interface
1 x USB to MIDI Controller
1 x Processor Fan
3 x Casing Fans

Thanks!
 
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 13, 2008, 12:53:08 AM
Considering that many drives, I'd go 500 watts, but make sure to use PSU's capable of delivering 380 watts of 'real' power. Look for reviews on available power supplies and try to get the ones that could deliver.

As for your drives, I question why you should have two 40 Gb drives. OTOH, you could have a dual boot system with one dedicated purely for audio and the other for everyday use. You could also house one of them in an enclosure to serve as mobile storage.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: titser_marco on September 13, 2008, 02:14:48 AM
Considering that many drives, I'd go 500 watts, but make sure to use PSU's capable of delivering 380 watts of 'real' power. Look for reviews on available power supplies and try to get the ones that could deliver.

As for your drives, I question why you should have two 40 Gb drives. OTOH, you could have a dual boot system with one dedicated purely for audio and the other for everyday use. You could also house one of them in an enclosure to serve as mobile storage.

re: 40 GB Drives - Got them because they were given to me. I agree with you on the eventually going the mobile storage direction, esp. when I get enough cash to invest in bigger storage. :)

Btw, Kit, how do I know if it can deliver REAL 380w of power? I currently have a 500w PSU on my system.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 13, 2008, 10:40:53 AM
Btw, Kit, how do I know if it can deliver REAL 380w of power? I currently have a 500w PSU on my system.

My cousin operates a computer gaming shop (my brother spec'ed out all individual components) and we noticed that it was the generic power supplies that keep giving out, usually with blown caps. It may say 500w on the cover, but the quality of power was way, way below what it could deliver. Most of the branded psu's here like Coolermaster, HEC, Enermax and Silverstone usually deliver in terms of power, but I still go on the net to check reviews on them.

For ex., I presently use a Coolermaster Real Power Pro 550W to power my quad core rig - reviews have given it good ratings in terms of sustained power, especially in the 12V rails which is important for those drives and other peripheral. My other rig (Athlon64 3700+) is powered by a HEC 480W, another proven psu.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: titser_marco on September 14, 2008, 12:51:42 AM
Thanks Kit! By the way, what allocation scheme do you suggest given the drives that I have? [Drives are listed in my original post] :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 14, 2008, 10:17:54 AM
Thanks Kit! By the way, what allocation scheme do you suggest given the drives that I have? [Drives are listed in my original post] :)

Definitely use the 40 gigs as system drives. The other larger drives should be used for data and audio. If you have a lot of samples, you can dedicate one drive for that. One more thing, remember that dvd and cd drives are usually IDE; it's a good thing that a couple of the drives are sata - try to use the 40 gig ide seagate as the system drive since most P4 mobos prefer to boot from ide.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: maniacally_cool on September 21, 2008, 10:27:56 PM
just acquired a laptop last summer.
wanted to start recording with it so i went here to get some pointers.

sigh......23 pages of "backreading"   hehehe. :-D




Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: karlo on September 22, 2008, 06:13:03 PM
If you're really plunging into this kind of hobby or profession... What you really need to invest first is your monitors....

I myself started with computer speakers... when i listened to my past recordings and mixes with my KRK's.... Haaaaaaaaayy grabe ang dami kong gs2ng baguhin!

Any Four Tet fans out there? It's amazing how four tet does all of his great tracks at home on his crap Dell PC using cheapo hi-fi speakers as monitors... He said something about knowing every sonic quirk of his speakers so he didn't really need studio monitors. I don't have good monitors myself (can't afford them- it just seems more cost-effective to the cash-strapped musician to plunk down on other things) so this is really inspiring to me. A very punk-rock way of going about it if I may say so. He had an interesting soundonsound article that can be googled where he discusses his "studio"

Plus, i love how he uses really old cakewalk music studio software, audiomulch, and cool edit pro for everything. Shows how even the most guerilla music gear can be used to great effect.

Jonesing for those tannoys and that hafler on the classifieds tho... If you've been listening to music on a pair of speakers for ten years, would getting dedicated studio monitors make that big a difference to justify the outlay? I'm not looking to earn money from my tracks anytime soon.

Also, without getting into the benefits of a more systematized and disaster-proof computer setup, are the performance (i.e. speed and stability) gains of hard drive partitioning even noticeable?

Ya, and another Q I have is about the expected lifespan of an external hard drive. Do these really have an expiration date, and if so, what is the best backup/recovery scheme to protect our precious production data? Would prolonged non-use affect this in any way?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 23, 2008, 08:23:04 AM
If you've been listening to music on a pair of speakers for ten years, would getting dedicated studio monitors make that big a difference to justify the outlay? I'm not looking to earn money from my tracks anytime soon.

I used to mix on some Altec Lansings way, way back. The mixes would usually translate as boomy on other systems no matter what I did. Apparently the Altecs had a substantial dip in the crossover frequency where the sub kicked in - this was the cause of my problems. Moving to a pair of inexpensive Fostex monitors solved my problems with bass.

Also, without getting into the benefits of a more systematized and disaster-proof computer setup, are the performance (i.e. speed and stability) gains of hard drive partitioning even noticeable?

Better to have a separate drive for audio. Imagine having the OS on one partition and audio on a separate partition on the same drive... can you imagine the work the drive heads have to do in order to keep up with multiple tracks of audio while still accessing system files and the swap file simultaneously?

Ya, and another Q I have is about the expected lifespan of an external hard drive. Do these really have an expiration date, and if so, what is the best backup/recovery scheme to protect our precious production data? Would prolonged non-use affect this in any way?

The only safe answer is redundancy... on separate drives and/or writable media. That is my worry now... imagine having to find backup solutions for 3 terabytes of data.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: x_taxi on September 23, 2008, 07:42:52 PM
scoring used to be a hobby for me.  i started monitorin on a sony boombox and a sb live.  haha.  my mixes lacked bass so i compensated for it.  when my boombox died, i started to use an atp3 altec lansing.  i just monitored on everythin else as well.  like the car, ipod or home stereo.

gettin a proper set of monitors saves you time though.  it'll let you take on more work less the hassle of bad mixes.

 :-) :-) :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Kclan on September 25, 2008, 05:40:26 PM
very informative thread. nice



 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: karlo on September 26, 2008, 02:08:47 PM
scoring used to be a hobby for me.  i started monitorin on a sony boombox and a sb live.  haha.  my mixes lacked bass so i compensated for it.  when my boombox died, i started to use an atp3 altec lansing.  i just monitored on everythin else as well.  like the car, ipod or home stereo.

 :-) :-) :-)

A lot of people actually do recommend the car test as an essential part of monitoring. Monitoring on the iPod with its tinny earbuds? :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: x_taxi on September 26, 2008, 04:33:44 PM
A lot of people actually do recommend the car test as an essential part of monitoring. Monitoring on the iPod with its tinny earbuds? :-D

yup!  if it sounds good in 128bit mp3 format with the very bad stock ipod earbuds, then it must be good!

 :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Zazza on October 03, 2008, 09:30:17 AM
man this thread is heaven sent  :-D learning a lot from it big time!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: gutz_3110 on October 03, 2008, 11:33:12 PM
Sir KitC salamat sa reply mo sa PM!

im still reading the thread pa...and learning!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Gibson78 on October 15, 2008, 11:01:06 PM
Hi, sorry if this is OT or not - I did'nt want to create a new thread. :|

I recently upgraded my PC, it's now running Vista, using my onboard soundcard (Realtek HD Audio), and I just installed the latest Asio (2.8) and Guitar Rig 3

Ok, when I choose Asio for the audio setup, nothing happens - no audio and  input device box, when I choose Direct Sound, same problem - no audio but it has all the choices (latency, sample. I/O etc).

I can hear my guitar sound through the speakers - it just doesn't pass through Guitar Rig 3 at all. Looking at the interface, there isnt even the tiniest blip on the Inputs. I can't even play drum tracks when using ASIO, I can play the same tracks using Direct Sound, but no audio at all (I see the meter going).

Anyone else has this problem? I think it's a driver problem with Realtek HD Audio, I just don't have the time to re-install Windows XP and AC97 drivers to check if it really is. I really don't want to go out now and buy a separate soundcard, because I really can't be bothered right now.

Hope you guys can help.

Cheers and Beers!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 16, 2008, 08:16:45 AM
@Gibson78 - three things are compounding your problem... Vista, asio, and realtek. For one thing, Realtek doesn't support asio. Second, Vista and asio don't seem to go well together. You can try using WDM/WaveRT/WASAPI drivers if Realtek has developed any but that's a longshot. An officemate of mine had me look over a new laptop with Vista installed... we couldn't get asio working and resorted to WDM only.

Solutions? Either revert to XP or get a real soundcard with Vista drivers. FYI, I'm still using WinXP SP2.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Gibson78 on October 16, 2008, 02:13:32 PM
I knew it. I guess I'll just have to breakdown and get a new soundcard / audio interface. Any suggestions?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 17, 2008, 08:01:07 AM
I knew it. I guess I'll just have to breakdown and get a new soundcard / audio interface. Any suggestions?

Try looking at the M-Audio USB or firewire offerings at JB. If your inclinations are toward guitar recording as well, I suggest the Line6 Toneport or UX series over at Yupangco. In a pinch, the Behringer UCA can work, but I'm not so sure over its low latency capabilities.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: djently on October 24, 2008, 04:55:44 PM
i'm not sure if this is the right place to ask but what the hell

sir kit, ano mas prefer nyo, mix with decent headphones o with cheap monitors in an untreated room?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 24, 2008, 05:14:24 PM
sir kit, ano mas prefer nyo, mix with decent headphones o with cheap monitors in an untreated room?

I only use headphones when I want to zoom in on a particularly problematic frequency during editing. Even then, I prefer to use really accurate headphones (I miss my HD280s). I do use headphones a lot when I'm in the tracking stage, though. Mostly because I drive my family crazy when I start looping a section ad infinitum when I'm overdubbing notes or trying a chord change.

When mixing, I prefer to use monitors I'm familiar with. If I'm not used to a particular monitor, I usually listen with a reference cd first so I can adjust the monitor to the way I work. I also often check my mixes on other sound systems for reference; I don't rely exclusively on one monitoring system when referencing a mix. To take the room out of the equation, you will have to monitor quite loudly, but having a lot of diffusers at the back of the monitoring position helps.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: djently on October 24, 2008, 10:11:37 PM
thanks sir kit.

2.1 speakers lang kasi gamit ko e gusto kong mag upgrade. i'm not sure if a set of samson mediaone would be any better than a really good pair of headphones (akg k240, kung may mahanap pa) or even the speakers i currently own. are monitors with 3 or 4" woofers worth the money?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 26, 2008, 10:57:41 AM
The current consensus is that monitors with woofers less than 8" in diameter often do not reproduce low bass frequencies very well. The same, however, could be said of the ubiquitous NS-10s which are a staple in most pro studios (NS-10s are brutal with mids and highs, though). That said, almost any speaker can be used as a monitor as long as you are used to its sound and can reference it to other speaker systems. Even 2.1 systems can be used AS LONG AS you are familiar with its sound. The most important aspect of a monitor is that it reproduces frequencies with clarity and accuracy, which is quite subjective for everyone.

For headphones, know their characteristics. I own AKG K240s and while they are great, I also know that their bass can be a bit lacking because of their open back design. And besides, bass,  because of their long wavelengths, is best reproduced by big speakers.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: djently on October 26, 2008, 09:15:16 PM
hmm. i think i'll stick with the 2.1 until i get the money to buy 8" monitors. thanks a lot sir kit.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: in_the_tent on November 17, 2008, 11:56:11 PM
Hi. I'm not sure where to ask this so I'll just shoot it here.

I'm setting up something like this..

Peavey PV6 mixer
-
headphone amp (probably a Behringer Microamp HA400-pls give me a review of this amp. ok ba ito? Plano ko bumili.)
-
Behringer HPS3000 headphone (pareview din sana mga sir. planning to buy another one for jamming purposes and/or recording demo siguro)

My question is..
paano ko maikakabit properly ang mixer out (stereo PL outputs)
sa..
input ng headphone amp (1 PL input)
ng stereo pa rin ang magiging setup?

-RCA with (RCA-PL adapters) ba ang ikakabit ko sa output ng mixer? Tapos ung kabilang dulo eh TRS papunta sa headphone amp? Stereo ba labas nun sa headphone? Yun ba ang tamang paraan? Saan nakakabili nun?

Salamt sa tulong.:)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 19, 2008, 04:37:47 PM
The PV6 already has a headphone output... what do you need a headphone amp for?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: in_the_tent on November 21, 2008, 12:49:49 AM
Hi Kit, for jamming purposes. gagamitin ng mga 4 musicians sabay sabay.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: karlo on November 25, 2008, 07:58:09 AM
May be redundant (the thread is 24 pages...) but here are some tips (with clear steps) on optimizing Win XP for DAW use:

http://www.tarekith.com/assets/XPTweaks.htm (http://www.tarekith.com/assets/XPTweaks.htm)

The guy also has some easy and helpful material on levelling, mixdowns, and mastering, as well as some product reviews, FAQs, and effects/instrument patches for the Virus TI, Elektron Drum Machine, and Ableton Live here:

http://www.tarekith.com/misc.htm (http://www.tarekith.com/misc.htm)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Mike Mendoza on February 10, 2009, 03:18:34 PM
Dito pala dapat ako nag-post...  :-D

I'm still reading this thread, medyo mahaba na rin kse...
pero inquire ko na lang ulit ito..

I want to try to record a demo (or even a good quality output file - better!) of our songs from a MIXER to my LAPTOP... but I really lack the knowledge of what SOFWARE and hardware connections (SOUND CARD / INTERFACE) to use. My knowlegde is still limited kse to Rehearsal and Outdoor set-ups.

Eto po ung magagamit ko if ever;

(1) Mackie Mixer - Mackie 1402 (14 Channels)

(2) Toshiba Laptop: (No Line-in ung laptop eh  )
          OS: Windows Vista
          Intel Core(TM) 2 Duo - P7350@2.00 GHz
          Memory 4.00 GB RAM
          Sytem type 32 bit- operating system
          Sound, Video and Gaming controller:
                 Cohexant High Definition Smart Audio 221

(3) Altec Lansing para sa monitor? (pwede ba ito)
     or ung JBL EON ko na ikakabit sa Mackie Mixer for Monitor din???  :?


Need help on the following:

(1) CONNECTION from the mixer to the laptop?

I guess this was answered by this link: (thanks to sir KiT  :-D)
http://www.tweakheadz.com/how_to_hookup_a_mixer.htm

(2) Any suggested SOUND CARD based sa specs of my laptop? cguro mas ok ung external sa laptop db?? i have no idea of what to use kase. please help.  :?

(3) Any one who can suggest what SOFTWARE is preferred as well? I guess the SOFTWARE and SOUND CARD should be compatible ryt?? San pwede maka-avail? I prefer the LICENSED SOFTWARE cguro to promote anti-piracy dito sa thread..  :-D

Budget-wise: SAKTO lng (crisis kse nagun eh..)

Need your help please... Thanks
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kenki on February 13, 2009, 09:02:45 PM
sir ask lng bakit di tumutunog ung gitara pag sinaksak ko sya sa color blue?diba dapat dun pag mga instruments tapos pink para sa mic diba? ayaw tumunug kasi...tnx
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 16, 2009, 11:14:24 AM
sir ask lng bakit di tumutunog ung gitara pag sinaksak ko sya sa color blue?diba dapat dun pag mga instruments tapos pink para sa mic diba? ayaw tumunug kasi...tnx

Blue is usually line in. You need some sort of preamp with line level outputs for your guitar.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: LowEnderOlex on February 24, 2009, 07:26:23 AM
Hello sir kit,

I'm planning to get an Mbox2 Mini bundle but i dont have a good rig to pair it with yet. Do you think it will run ok on my HP Pavilion DV6626US laptop?

1.5 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T5250 processor
160 GB hard drive
1.5 GB RAM
Intel GMA X3100 graphics (up to 251 MB of available memory)

This will be my first set up and i really want to start using pro tools.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 25, 2009, 12:10:53 PM
I'm planning to get an Mbox2 Mini bundle but i dont have a good rig to pair it with yet. Do you think it will run ok on my HP Pavilion DV6626US laptop?

Well, HP is usually the recommended pc for windows versions of PT, however, since I don't know that particular laptop's usb chipset, YMMV. HP are usually not forthcoming with technical details on their equipment unless someone posts a teardown on the net.

In any event, the specs look good.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 25, 2009, 02:46:04 PM
(2) Any suggested SOUND CARD based sa specs of my laptop? cguro mas ok ung external sa laptop db?? i have no idea of what to use kase. please help.  :?

Try M-audio firewire interfaces if your laptop has a firewire port. Getting PC card/expresscard audio interfaces are rather difficult locally.

[quote author=Mike Mendoza link=topic=44198.msg1722963#msg1722963 date=1234250314
(3) Any one who can suggest what SOFTWARE is preferred as well? I guess the SOFTWARE and SOUND CARD should be compatible ryt?? San pwede maka-avail? I prefer the LICENSED SOFTWARE cguro to promote anti-piracy dito sa thread..  :-D[/quote]

You can get Pro Tools M-powered which is compatible with M-audio interfaces. Sessions created in PTMP are compatible with HD versions of Pro Tools.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: akoyatasiemil on March 02, 2009, 11:50:25 AM
goodafternoon sir kit  :-D tanong ko lang po. gamit ko kasi neo laptop local lang. pero ung specs nia

OS: Windows Vista Home Premium

processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU T2390 @ 1.86GHz 1.87GHz

Memory (RAM): 1789 MB

System Type: 32-bit operating system
 
160gb Hard drive

tsaka bumili po ako ng CREATIVE USB SoundBlaster X-fi Surround 5.1

and balak ko po bumili ng cubase software


bago lang po ako kaya di ko po alam kung pano at saan maguumpisa hehe.

tanong ko lang po kung pwede na po ba ung specs na yan para makapagstart magrecord kahit cheap quality lang muna :)

kung hindi po ano po kaya ung dapat ko idagdag?

 thank you po sa effort ng pagbasa hehe gusto ko po talaga matuto :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 02, 2009, 01:52:07 PM
@akoyatasiemil - I think the usb blaster only has line inputs. If you intend to use mics, you will need a preamp or an inexpensive mixer. You can get by with Behringer, Phonic, or other inexpensive mixers, especially if you're just starting to explore recording. You may want to explore the X-Fi's Vista compatibility first as I've heard negative reports about it's vista drivers.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: akoyatasiemil on March 02, 2009, 06:14:21 PM
aah ok po, so pag wala pa po ung mixer di pa po ako makakapaglay in ng gitara? onga po baka i-xp ko na lang to hehe. thank you po sa idea hehe. tambay na nga ko lagi dito  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 03, 2009, 08:25:18 AM
aah ok po, so pag wala pa po ung mixer di pa po ako makakapaglay in ng gitara?

You can always play the guitar regardless.  :-D

Instead of the Xfi, I suggest looking into the Line6 usb interfaces (UX1/UX2, Toneport GX, etc.) especially if you want to record your guitar straight to pc. IMO, this is a much better option than getting a consumer oriented soundcard like the 'blaster.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: heyman on March 07, 2009, 11:57:14 AM
help! help! i bought a boss gt-10 kaso d pa ako masyado familiar. anyone can help pano mapalabas ung guitar sound sa pc via usb cable? at ano pwede software na easy-to-use at mura or free pang record ng sound? tnx sa makakatulong ng marami.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: britesynth on March 15, 2009, 10:42:45 PM
sir kit...

ano benefits pag mas mataas RAM ng pc o laptop? say... from 2gb mag upgrade sa 4gb? maiwasan na kaya pop at clicks sa recording kapag naka 128 latency?

ot: last... alin dapat piliin ko/gamitin when recording 16 bit or 24 bit (fast track pro)

thanks!  :-D

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 16, 2009, 11:17:11 AM
@heyman - try using audacity with your GT-10. It should work right off the bat as long as you install drivers for your pc.

@britesynth - You will be able to run more programs simultaneously with more ram. You should also be able to load more samples if you use large sample libraries, but latency is a function of your soundcard and it's drivers. More ram has no effect on latency. Better to use 24-bit if your soundcard supports it.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Triggerfinger on March 25, 2009, 11:35:08 PM
sir ask lng bakit di tumutunog ung gitara pag sinaksak ko sya sa color blue?diba dapat dun pag mga instruments tapos pink para sa mic diba? ayaw tumunug kasi...tnx

Line in ang ginagamit ko. Ganito gawin mo:

1. Go to the lower right portion of your screen where the clock is and double click mo yung speaker icon.

2. click options then go to properties and select recording

3. Under that mals sure that line in is checked and then click ok

4. Now check the select box under line in then you can just close the window and Voila!!! you're good to go.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: r0cb0y on March 31, 2009, 04:34:02 AM
ei.. whats up guys?.. i just wanna ask a few questions about music production in a pc.. i hope na sana matulungan nyo ko..

im planing to buy a couple of equipments.. im planning to get tha new m-audio axiom pro.. and an mbox..im also planning to get the maschine by native instruments.. i want to start creating beats muna.. noob lang ako..just started creating beats this year lang.. now my questions are..

1. if im just gonna create beats for now.. will a sequencer like maschine and fl do? or will it be better to get an mbox and record my sequences in protools?..

2. anong mbox ang mas bagay sakin?.. im not gonna use any external sounds muna.. im planning to start with softwares first.. mbox pro sana ang gusto ko.. but will it be too much for what i wanna do?.

3. im planning to get a new pc.. will these specs be enough for music production?..

core i7 920
3 gigs of ddr3
i tb 7200 rpm hard drive

4. ano pang pwede nyong i-suggest sakin para hindi masayang ang pera ko sa pagbili ng equipments..?

thanks.. i hope y'all could help me out..
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: monsterbot on April 16, 2009, 06:24:38 PM
if youre on a really tight budget, theres a usb audio interface yung "behringer uca202" which is cheap and would suffice for your needs. i think they go for around 2.5k+, it should work on any DAW or Sequencer.  :-D

bro san kaya ako makakabili ng behringer uca202?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: wilfredo.eclipse on April 29, 2009, 01:55:57 PM
Good Day. Ask ko lang sana ano kaya ang magandang software for recording? Adobe Audition kasi gamit ko medyo limited. Thanks  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: djently on April 29, 2009, 06:26:06 PM
Good Day. Ask ko lang sana ano kaya ang magandang software for recording? Adobe Audition kasi gamit ko medyo limited. Thanks  :-D

http://audacity.sf.net (http://audacity.sf.net)
http://reaper.fm (http://reaper.fm)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: reycantong on May 01, 2009, 06:46:33 PM
Good Day. Ask ko lang sana ano kaya ang magandang software for recording? Adobe Audition kasi gamit ko medyo limited. Thanks  :-D

You can try these:
Pro Tools
http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=507&langid=1&itemid=35911

Sonar
http://www.cakewalk.com/products/SONAR/

Cubase

http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/musicproduction/cubase4_product.html

Acid
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/acidpro

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alien_inside on May 04, 2009, 01:04:59 AM
Good Day. Ask ko lang sana ano kaya ang magandang software for recording? Adobe Audition kasi gamit ko medyo limited. Thanks  :-D

How come it is LIMITED?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 04, 2009, 10:16:39 AM
How come it is LIMITED?

Maybe because it doesn't do midi that well? I find it very good (and fast) for audio post, though.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: wilfredo.eclipse on May 08, 2009, 09:14:07 AM
You can try these:
Pro Tools
http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=507&langid=1&itemid=35911

Sonar
http://www.cakewalk.com/products/SONAR/

Cubase

http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/musicproduction/cubase4_product.html

Acid
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/acidpro



Ayos maraming pwedeng itry. hehe. salamat sir.  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: wilfredo.eclipse on May 08, 2009, 09:23:35 AM
How come it is LIMITED?

Hirap po ma explain ehh. hehe :lol:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: krkNdrx on May 09, 2009, 03:49:34 AM
noob question here.. :-D here we go, A Core 2 duo or Core 2 quad core for DAW? will the e7400 processor be more efficient or capable for DAW or Quad is the way to go like the Q8200 for its price/future proof?.. it's like 2.8ghz vs 2.3ghz, a faster processor or higher cache? planning on building a PC  strictly for DAW only for band set up recording only not for midi/sequencers or other techno stuffs, so i won't be using so many plug-ins,maybe a little reverb, EQ, compressor/gates, that's all.. i am planning to use Cubase or Sonar..TIA \m/
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 10, 2009, 10:23:14 AM
Depends on your requirements. Either a dual core or quad core will work, speed is usually more important for track counts and plugins.

I think the more important item to consider is your audio interface. If you will be recording an entire band, you will need at least an 8-input interface. What's the use of getting a powerful computer if all you will feed it is 2 channels? Of course, you have to make sure that the audio interface is compatible with your computer.

Go into the details of your motherboard chipset and look for incompatibilities with your intended soundcard. Look in the various hardware forums if they have any problems with particular chipsets, or even firewire/usb incompatibilities.

One other thing, choose your OS wisely. XP is a very mature platform, although MS will stop support for it very soon. A colleague of mine is trying out Vista-64 but he seems to be having his share of headaches... which is usually the case when migrating to a new platform.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: krkNdrx on May 10, 2009, 02:46:53 PM
thanks kitc, for I  now i will be just using my yamaha mixer/usb..for just demo quality recording i hope, my original plan was to buy an maudio ultra 8r kasi wla dealer ng presonus here in the phil., unfortunately out of stock yung 8r, so i was kinda disappointed..so i purchased this yamaha which comes with a bundled cubease 4, for PA use na rin, i will be just getting a stereo recording from this but i can record multi-track but not simultaneously, one by one like drums first or guitars and so on..but in the future i will buy the 8r usb w/c is my original plan, a liitle cheaper than the 2626, the pci sound card i am having second thoughts but it is an option also because of its price and it is also tried and tested..my other concern is will the yamaha act as a sound card/interface also or it is just an interface and what will be used is the stock sound card of my PC? :?

so i guess the the duo will be just enough for what i have, i just have to get the right mobo that is compatible with my software and i will be using the XP pro 32 bit flatform matured na kasi  :-D the less hassle the better for me..can i PM you the system requirements of my cubease?, i need some suggestion.. some computer techs seems clueless when setting up for DAW they are so in to gaming rigs..i was thinking of getting also a P35 based mobo like you hehe..mas mura na ngayon compared from the price 2years ago..thanks in advance KitC.. :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 10, 2009, 03:14:26 PM
Oops! I migrated to a P43/P45 mobo since the MSI P35 I used blew a chip when I 'sparked' the usb port rendering my backplane usb ports dead and my vidcard without power. I read somewhere that the P45 chipsets seem to be better suited for DAWs but I really never had any trouble with either save for the busted chip.

Which Yamaha mixer are you using? If it has usb connection, then that is already your audio interface although I believe you are limited to stereo recording. This can be ok for demo recordings but you are limited to recording an entire band in one-shot passes; overdubbing will be a bear with those kinds of mixers (i.e, USB 1.1). Still, if your band is really good, the room you are recording in acceptably quiet and acoustically good, and you have the mix dialed in perfectly, it can be achieved.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: krkNdrx on May 10, 2009, 03:37:59 PM
haha, so its the P43/45 for me too.. :-D  , the mixer is Yamaha with built in usb already, comes with cubease .. i have read it needs setting up ASIO driver..lahat naman siguro ng interface..I got this mixer to get both worlds for pansamantagal for PA use and recording demo's, while waiting for the ultra 8r, for 8 simultaneous multitrack recording, sayang wala presonus, i believe it can be daisy chained for instant 16 track, nasa $300 sa states firewire pa, where can we buy FP10 here in the phil?.. :-D

and..additional question po, can i still use my old but not abused 40gig hard disk IDE 5200rpm  yata speed nya, for the system only..then sa program and project I' ll buy the SATA hard disk 7200rpm, i don't have any idea what is the minimum HD size for program?  are the 160-250 gig for program and storage ok?  thanks KitC!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: juanberto on May 10, 2009, 03:42:35 PM
hi question lang bakit yung UCA200 ko distorted ang ouput.  I mean pag nilakasan ko sabog na ang out meaning distorted nga. anybody po? pag hihinaan naman sobrang hina.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: juanberto on May 10, 2009, 03:44:18 PM
UCA200 question. bakit ang ouput ng sound ko e distorted pag nilakasan ko? driver error kaya ?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alien_inside on May 10, 2009, 08:43:12 PM
Maybe because it doesn't do midi that well? I find it very good (and fast) for audio post, though.
Ahh. I do MIDI independently kasi e. Maybe that's his case...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alien_inside on May 10, 2009, 08:51:25 PM
UCA200 question. bakit ang ouput ng sound ko e distorted pag nilakasan ko? driver error kaya ?
Haven't used something like that ever... but, logically, check your levels...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: glbert on May 12, 2009, 02:21:32 PM
Napaka informative na thread nito.

From my other post ito yung tanong ko po:
Gagamit po ako ng Laptop. MSI 340x with Core 2 duo, 2G RAM, with usb and firewire ports.

Gusto ko sana ng multi-track recording, like simultaneously recording 7 tracks, lalo sa drum tracks. Kung gagamit ako ng 7 mics for the drumkit, pano ko sya palalabasin ng 7 individual tracks sa pc for fine tuning and mixing?

After reading tama na kaya conclusion ko?
My setup would be:

Adobe Audition on Laptop=>M-Audio FAstrack Ultra(USB)=>Drum Mic Kit

or Alesis Multimix12 FireWire to replace M-Audio Fastrack Ultra

Alin ang mas ok? May kulang pa ba mga sir or good to go na ito? Or mas may ma-recommend pa kayo for a better setup?
Salamat
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 12, 2009, 04:18:28 PM
You will definitely need an interface with 8 mic preamps in order to record 7 miked tracks simultaneously.

Adobe Audition on Laptop=>M-Audio FAstrack Ultra(USB)=>Drum Mic Kit

The Ultra only has 4 mic pres while the Ultra 8R has 8 mic pres. With the former, you will need an additional 3 mic preamps in order to accommodate 7 mics.

or Alesis Multimix12 FireWire to replace M-Audio Fastrack Ultra

I think the multimix only has 4 mic pres - you will have to add mic pres to complete your mic setup. This makes the Ultra 8R one of the better choices for your needs. Alternatives include Presonus Firepod/FP10, Focusrite Saffire Pro...

An alternative is to get an interface with 8 line inputs then add a mixer that has at least 8 mic preamps each with direct outs; e.g., some mixers like the Mackie 1642 VLZ3 has 8 direct outs for the first 8 preamp channels.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: glbert on May 12, 2009, 06:07:24 PM

I think the multimix only has 4 mic pres - you will have to add mic pres to complete your mic setup. This makes the Ultra 8R one of the better choices for your needs. Alternatives include Presonus Firepod/FP10, Focusrite Saffire Pro...

An alternative is to get an interface with 8 line inputs then add a mixer that has at least 8 mic preamps each with direct outs; e.g., some mixers like the Mackie 1642 VLZ3 has 8 direct outs for the first 8 preamp channels.

thanks for the reply sir, btw who are the local distributors of Presonus, Focusrite and Mackie interfaces/mixers here? Para maka-canvass ako ng prices. Medyo hindi ko po alam mga bilihan ng mga gamit e. JB, Audiophile and Behringer lang alam ko po. thanks.  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 13, 2009, 10:29:12 AM
Check the Recording Supplier directory in the stickies.

Forerunner Technologies/The Music Source carries Mackie products. Unfortunately, there are no authorized distros for Presonus and Focusrite locally.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: krkNdrx on May 13, 2009, 07:52:52 PM
poor us! :cry: wala presonus, i like to try  it because tower of power uses presonus on their live gigs.. no other options here i dont know if may nakagamit  na ng toneport UX8 from our fellow philmusicians, it runs at around 25k..
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 14, 2009, 08:48:43 AM
Well, the choices you have locally are Alesis Multimix mixers (5th Ave/Avesco), Mackie mixers/Native Instruments Audio Kontrol (Forerunner/TMS), MAudio/PT M Powered (JB Music), and PT LE (DMI and Challenge Systems). I'm not sure if Yupangco carries the Yamaha usb mixers/interfaces. There are/were a few Presonus interfaces floating around here in the forum classifieds. Other alternatives include MOTU and RME (interestingly, I'm testing both interfaces, an 828 mk3 and Fireface800, for a colleague right now).
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: krkNdrx on May 15, 2009, 03:33:39 AM
yupangco carries yamaha with usb interface unfortunately no stocks available.. :? haha.. :-D yeah I saw one or two presonus products from classifieds..very tempting but I prefer brand new and from authorized dealers if possible for warranty purposes..just my opinion :-Dbut if it is half the price or lower i might reconsider hehe.. :roll:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: pavloid on May 16, 2009, 03:25:06 PM
Hi everyone! this is my first post on this thread. my bandmate and i are putting up a recording studio. we already tried recording a few tracks (guitar, bass, etc.) with our audio interface and was successful. the thing is, we can't use the mixer for main out and headphone out.

i've checked http://www.tweakheadz.com/how_to_hookup_a_mixer.htm for reference but it doesn't work for me because the mixer we have is behringer xenyx 2222 and it doesn't have alt 3/4 bus. i also tried connecting channel inserts from the mixer to audio interface line in but still no good. anyone familiar with this set-up?

here are picture of the mixer's rear:  http://www.behringer.com/EN/images/lightboxphotos/2222FX_P0558_Rear_XXL.jpg
and top front:  http://www.behringer.com/EN/images/lightboxphotos/2222FX_P0558_TopFront_XXL.jpg

btw, it's really great to have this thread here. i've been reading through it recently and i must say, it's really informative. kudos to the people who've been sharing ideas especially to mr. KitC who's been extremely helpful!!!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: reycantong on May 16, 2009, 04:16:46 PM
poor us! :cry: wala presonus, i like to try  it because tower of power uses presonus on their live gigs.. no other options here i dont know if may nakagamit  na ng toneport UX8 from our fellow philmusicians, it runs at around 25k..

I'm currently using Line6 Toneport UX8 for my pc. Works great for me. The included POD Farm is very nice. Ok din preamps.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: krkNdrx on May 16, 2009, 10:56:04 PM
I'm currently using Line6 Toneport UX8 for my pc. Works great for me. The included POD Farm is very nice. Ok din preamps.

thanks sir rey nabasa nyo rin pla dito, hehe..parang gusto ko na bilhin tuloy.. :-D i am choosing between ux8 ang maudio ultra 8r.. :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 19, 2009, 12:26:36 PM
@pavloid - use the sub outs to feed your interface. You can monitor the soundcard using the fx aux returns (they are in stereo anyway) or use the rca tape inputs.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: pavloid on May 20, 2009, 11:07:04 PM
@pavloid - use the sub outs to feed your interface. You can monitor the soundcard using the fx aux returns (they are in stereo anyway) or use the rca tape inputs.

super thanks for the reply sir! i'll try this set-up first thing in the morning tomorrow. im so excited.. :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: pepeng_bato123 on June 02, 2009, 01:50:38 PM
guys i have a question, if i have ableton suite 8 do i need adobe audition? :?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 03, 2009, 11:57:05 AM
guys i have a question, if i have ableton suite 8 do i need adobe audition? :?

Audition is useful if you need audio file editing features, which Ableton Live lacks.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: glbert on June 17, 2009, 06:11:16 PM
sir, how about maudio 1010 rack, will this be good for simultaneous multitrack recording lets say 8 tracks (drums)?
pansin ko wala syang preamp, whats the best solution to go multi track?
thanks
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 18, 2009, 09:02:43 AM
sir, how about maudio 1010 rack, will this be good for simultaneous multitrack recording lets say 8 tracks (drums)?
pansin ko wala syang preamp, whats the best solution to go multi track?
thanks

If you need 8 preamps in a single audio interface, then something like the M-Audio Fast Track Ultra 8r or Presonus Firepod/FP10 would be more suited to your needs. Alternatively, you could try getting a firewire mixer with 8 preamps.

Do the math... the 1010 rack plus 8 outboard preamps will cost you what? Now compare that to the Ultra 8r which goes for 35k, for example.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: carl20 on June 18, 2009, 10:35:13 AM
hi sir Kit C, just want to ask if you do have a Presonus firepod what would be your PC set up for this kind of audiointerface?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 18, 2009, 03:04:27 PM
hi sir Kit C, just want to ask if you do have a Presonus firepod what would be your PC set up for this kind of audiointerface?

Preferably a pc that has a Texas Instruments firewire chipset. It doesn't matter if you are going Intel or AMD, or even Mac.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: peeves24 on June 18, 2009, 05:07:24 PM
hi sir Kit C, just want to ask if you do have a Presonus firepod what would be your PC set up for this kind of audiointerface?

buy the most expensive pc you can buy. kabitan mo ng firewire card kung wala pa built in. medyo namimili yung presonus, highly recommended nila ang texas instruments at via. pero yung setup ko sa bahay, gumagana ng walang problema yung firestudio project ko sa built in NEC chipset.

use a separate video card, wag mo gagamitin yung built in. this helps lower cpu utilization at mas marami kang plugins na magagamit kesa kung gamit mo yung built in video.

kung VIA yung firewire card mo, minsan problematic yung driver nyan sa winxp at vista. wala ka madodownload nun kasi bundled na sa operating system yun pero may magandang 3rd party driver. ubcore yung name, mas maganda sya gamitin kasi kung gumana yung presonus mo dun, mas stable at mas bihira yung pag stutter during playback.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 18, 2009, 05:21:38 PM
may magandang 3rd party driver. ubcore yung name, mas maganda sya gamitin kasi kung gumana yung presonus mo dun, mas stable at mas bihira yung pag stutter during playback.

Yeah, those unibrain drivers are interesting. They did cause a weird problem with Marvin's Belkin FW800 card though. Not yet 100% sure if it's the card that's defective but it keeps showing some weird behavior in Device Manager.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: peeves24 on June 18, 2009, 05:33:23 PM
yup boss kit! when it works, it works soooo good. pero hindi sa lahat ng pc, nasubukan ko na sya gamitin sa 8 desktops, mixed sila ng branded at clone. gumana sa 4 at hindi gumana dun sa other 4 even if i used the same firewire card
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: carl20 on June 22, 2009, 08:40:15 AM
noted ko mga boss salamat sa tulong, it clears all the clouds in my mind hehehe,..
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: reycantong on June 22, 2009, 08:56:33 AM
Medyo OT lang. Ngayon ko lang nalaman na ang Texas Instruments Plant e nasa Baguio City. Dun ginagawa mga chips na hinahanap ng mga firewire interfaces like Presonus, 003 etc.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 22, 2009, 12:18:42 PM
Medyo OT lang. Ngayon ko lang nalaman na ang Texas Instruments Plant e nasa Baguio City. Dun ginagawa mga chips na hinahanap ng mga firewire interfaces like Presonus, 003 etc.

OT too: I think we visited that plant way, WAY back when I was in college.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: pavloid on June 23, 2009, 01:03:33 AM
Medyo OT lang. Ngayon ko lang nalaman na ang Texas Instruments Plant e nasa Baguio City. Dun ginagawa mga chips na hinahanap ng mga firewire interfaces like Presonus, 003 etc.

Gheez! nasa Baguio lang pala sila...
My partner and i had a hard time looking for Texas Insturments Firewire Card/Chipset. Eventually, we gave up. We ended up trying the onboard firewire card with VIA 6308 chipset (not sure with the number though :-D). But to our surprise, it works perfectly fine with Presonus Firestudio Tube! Saved us some bucks too!

OT three :-D : We had another issue with the Presonus FS Tube..The audio interface doesn't go stable. Initially we thought it's a chipset-related issue. Took us a day of researching until we learned that FS Tube has issues when used with 220v power source. So we ran into the nearest store and got a stepdown (110v) transformer - issue resolved! Has anyone encountered the same with other presonus interface? Hope this tiny bit of info helps...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Cressin on June 23, 2009, 01:41:12 PM
Hi question lang

I'm making a personal home recording area (dont wanna call it a studio coz its just for personal use recording ideas and stuff) and i'm using vista 32 cpu amd 64x2 2.0ghz 3gbram (by the way this is a laptop). I have an audio kontrol 1 as an audio interface.

I'm having problems with recording though i get a couple of pops and cracks here and there. The instrument isnt plugged in the line-in slot of the interface i'm using a midi controller controlling an NI sample fender rhodes piano patch routed through a twin reverb amp simulator at ableton live lite 7. Everything was exported as a .wav file at 44000 khz at 32 bit I really cant afford to get the full version of live right now (though planning to when i get spare cash. I find the daw really convenient and easy to use).

Is there a way for me to remove those pops and cracks? Or is my set-up just a big bottleneck in terms of specs/equipment and i cant do anything with it?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 26, 2009, 11:37:56 AM
@Cressin - has your computer been tweaked specifically for audio? Do you have a separate audio drive? What cpu and mobo are you using? Are all drivers updated?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Cressin on June 26, 2009, 12:22:09 PM
Hmm... yep. all drivers are updated. with regards to the audio drive and the cpu i'm using the audio kontrol 1 as an audio interface and an amd 64x2 2.10 ghz (to be more exact). And i have 3gb ddr2 ram.

I'm not sure if i could tweak my computer any further since i'm using a laptop. I did cut down on all my start up programs and removed any unnecessary stuff (like games, startup programs screensavers and desktop pictures) in my laptop though to make it run faster.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 26, 2009, 02:33:19 PM
Knowing the specs of the laptop would be a big help...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Cressin on June 28, 2009, 12:54:50 AM
Yes uhhmm.. could you define specs further? like what specific stuff could i give pa that would be relevant aside from cpu speed/ram?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 29, 2009, 10:15:07 AM
Knowing the make and model of your laptop would be a big help. That way, I can check the chipset for possible incompatibilities.

Have you tried turning off all power saving features? Sometimes having this activated affects the usb/fw ports and other peripheral's power management, which can interfere with audio operation.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Cressin on June 30, 2009, 12:04:15 AM
I cant find the chipset anywhere but i think it is TL-62 AMD turion 64x2 mobile tech. Its an Acer 4520G

I already removed the power saving features and it is already plugged in. I noticed though the pops and cracks went down when i turned of yahoo messenger+increasing latency a bit when recording but when i'm exporting it as a .wav file there are still a couple left. Could i do anything else to clear it up further?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 30, 2009, 07:46:44 AM
Thanks for letting me know about the laptop specs.

I noticed though the pops and cracks went down when i turned of yahoo messenger+increasing latency a bit when recording

Something tells me you got quite a bit of services going on in the background. YM and antivirus software, among other things, take up a lot of cpu headroom with their continuous monitoring. In most DAWs, we usually strip all the non-essential software and leave the least amount of services running to ensure that the DAW software is getting the lion's share of the cpu's resources. We even turn off screen saving and all power saving features (preventing the hard disk from spinning down), as well as disabling devices that aren't crucial to the DAW like printer ports, unused firewire ports, etc. It isn't uncommon to have less than 30 services running in a properly configured DAW.

During recording, we track with zero plugins as much as possible. That means no reverbs, compression or eq, relying on outboard gear to take up this requirement. This frees up the cpu to do the most important task, which is to record, and to allow us minimum latency times - noticeable latency is often detrimental to a good recording. Only during mixing, when all tracking is done, do we bump up latency to the highest levels and add as many plugins as our computer will handle.


Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: RED_01 on July 24, 2009, 04:13:51 PM
hi sir KitC,

im planning to buy a Toshiba satellite, with core2duo, but the sound card doesnt have rca or pl55, how can i change the sound card into an M-Audio 2496?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on July 29, 2009, 09:43:50 AM
im planning to buy a Toshiba satellite, with core2duo, but the sound card doesnt have rca or pl55, how can i change the sound card into an M-Audio 2496?

You can't.

The Satellite is a laptop, probably with pcmcia or expresscard expansion options, while the 2496 is a pci card and neither the 'twain shall meet. Sorry.

Your only expansion option is either to get a usb soundcard (firewire if the Toshiba has that port) or find an expresscard soundcard.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: wilfredo.eclipse on August 07, 2009, 02:55:40 PM
may i ask a question? gusto ko lang sana malaman kung ano yung sinasalpak sa desktop pc yung parang small cable? "input: electric guitar, output: desktop computer". Saan naman po makakabili and magkano po? salamat.  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 10, 2009, 08:09:38 AM
You can try something like the Behringer UCG102 Guitar to USB interface.

(http://cachepe.zzounds.com/media/fit,400by400/quality,85/brand,zzounds/UCG102_TOP_PERS-5e6a0e92cd00075d9f6869c4ef0abd52.jpg)

Inquire at Behringer outlets (there's one at the 5th flr of Megamall... can't recall if it's Bldg. A but it's at the building with the theatres).
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: cky on August 17, 2009, 03:20:10 PM
sir Kit I have a question...do I really need a DI box to connect the guitar to the mixer then mixer out to computer or there must be some stuff in between those connections?...Hindi ko kasi mapalabas yung sound ng guitarra pag sinaksak sa input...i tried sa XLR, umilaw yung peak led pero hindi parin lumalabas yung sound even to the headphone out...thanks :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ogagka0606 on September 02, 2009, 03:57:35 PM
tanong lang po. gusto ko po sana magrecord ng mga kanta na nagawa ko. kaso po di ko alam yung mga softwares na kailangan. sabi sakin dati yung fl studio daw. pero di ako makarecord. ano po ba yung mga kailangan para makarecord? yung pwede na kasama pati yung drums.

laptop po pala gamit ko. acer aspire 4920.

ok po ba yung fast track ? at anong software po mga kailangan? salamat
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: juanjudas on September 02, 2009, 05:22:44 PM
If I were to buy/assemble a pc now, what are the specs should I get?
for 15k and 25k budget.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: s2ry0fdyr on September 03, 2009, 12:12:37 AM
If I were to buy/assemble a pc now, what are the specs should I get?
for 15k and 25k budget.

it depends on what you are trying to achieve in recording.



Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: juanjudas on September 03, 2009, 09:26:42 AM
One man band lang.  Guitar and Vocals - everything else through soft synths.  I am a Reason and Record user so I want to have a decent setup for the two.  Bumigay na kasi pc ko.

So after I buy a new pc, audio interface na ang sunod.  Tama po ba?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 03, 2009, 02:03:56 PM
sir Kit I have a question...do I really need a DI box to connect the guitar to the mixer then mixer out to computer or there must be some stuff in between those connections?

You need a DI that has instrument level inputs. Check with the various DIs, some are designed for line level instruments such as keyboards.

ok po ba yung fast track ? at anong software po mga kailangan? salamat

Fast track is a 2 channel usb audio interface from M-audio. If you want to record drums or a full band, you will need more than 2 channels, which equates to a more expensive interface. As for software, there are a lot of suitable multitracking software that you can use ranging from Sonar to Cubase to Propellerheads new Record. Check out the various manufacturer's sites, some offer fully functioning 30-day demos such as Cakewalk's Sonar and Presonus' new Studio One.

If I were to buy/assemble a pc now, what are the specs should I get?
for 15k and 25k budget.
.

That can be a tough one especially if you want to achieve a powerful machine. You can try AMD machines which are usually less expensive, but always design your pc according to the soundcard you will use. For ex., if your soundcard is pci, you will want a mobo that has at least 3 pci slots so that you can choose the slot which does not share and irq with an onboard device. Often, 2 pci slot mobos will have you sharing an irq with the sata controller, or worse, video. If your interface is usb or firewire, search the interface manufacturer's forums for users who have problems with certain mobos.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ogagka0606 on September 03, 2009, 05:20:17 PM


Fast track is a 2 channel usb audio interface from M-audio. If you want to record drums or a full band, you will need more than 2 channels, which equates to a more expensive interface. As for software, there are a lot of suitable multitracking software that you can use ranging from Sonar to Cubase to Propellerheads new Record. Check out the various manufacturer's sites, some offer fully functioning 30-day demos such as Cakewalk's Sonar and Presonus' new Studio One.


sir yung may built in drums na ? anong software po ba yun ? plano ko kasi yung guitars at built in drums lang gamitin ko. thanks
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 03, 2009, 06:44:04 PM
sir yung may built in drums na ? anong software po ba yun ? plano ko kasi yung guitars at built in drums lang gamitin ko. thanks

karamihan ng software ngayon may kasamang drums. maganda sana kung mac based ka, garageband ang gamitin mo kasi halos kumpleto na yun sa requirements mo. ang Sonar at Cubase may kasamang drums, pati ang FL Studio rin.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ogagka0606 on September 03, 2009, 07:53:31 PM
karamihan ng software ngayon may kasamang drums. maganda sana kung mac based ka, garageband ang gamitin mo kasi halos kumpleto na yun sa requirements mo. ang Sonar at Cubase may kasamang drums, pati ang FL Studio rin.

edi sir pwde na yung fl studio, at yung fast track usb? thanks sir kitC!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 04, 2009, 09:23:06 AM
edi sir pwde na yung fl studio, at yung fast track usb? thanks sir kitC!

The short answer is yes, pero see if there are any issues when using the fast track with your pc.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: melody_guitar on September 09, 2009, 07:56:46 PM
can i use the "stock" soundcard of my pc?? yung mismong kasama na sa miotherboard?? the simple line in, ou and mic in soundcard??
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 10, 2009, 10:48:50 AM
can i use the "stock" soundcard of my pc?? yung mismong kasama na sa miotherboard?? the simple line in, ou and mic in soundcard??

No one is stopping you from doing that.

You can get some good sounds, but I/O will be limited usually to 1/8" and you could conceivably burn up a motherboard if some stray voltage from your gear inadvertently finds it's way into your pc - try using a small inexpensive mixer as a buffer. Be aware that your sound can be compromised by the quality of the mobo's converters, which are usually consumer grade at best. One big limitation with today's mobos? They usually only work at 48 khz so be aware of any sample rate conversions if burning to audio cd. The workaround is to burn to dvd audio, I guess.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ferdie on September 17, 2009, 05:15:16 PM
Sir KitC musta po.

Need your advice. Meron akong yamaha stage pass 300 pa/mixer and m-audio fast track USB. Nag attempt ako magrecord ng acoustic guitar. eto yung set up: guitar---mixer----mixer RCA output---m-audio guitar input (using rca to stereo plug adaptor)  pero di ko ma-record yung guitar ko. Pero kapag di ko nman pinadaan sa mixer using multi effects direct to m-audio guitar input ok nman. Ganun din nangyayari pag gusto ko magrecord ng vocals.
Thanks in advance sir!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 17, 2009, 05:54:55 PM
Need your advice. Meron akong yamaha stage pass 300 pa/mixer and m-audio fast track USB. Nag attempt ako magrecord ng acoustic guitar. eto yung set up: guitar---mixer----mixer RCA output---m-audio guitar input (using rca to stereo plug adaptor)  pero di ko ma-record yung guitar ko. Pero kapag di ko nman pinadaan sa mixer using multi effects direct to m-audio guitar input ok nman. Ganun din nangyayari pag gusto ko magrecord ng vocals.

First of all, the fast track has a single 1/4" input which is switchable from guitar to line. You have to use a MONO guitar cable with this input. The other input accepts XLR (cannon) cables for direct connection of microphones.

One thing you can do is to put the fast track first in the chain: mic to ch. 1 and guitar to ch.2 (set to guitar, not line). Next, connect the outputs of the fast track to channel 5/6 or 7/8 on the stagepass. The only caveat is that you cannot record the stagepass reverb/EQ - you will have to do that in your pc. Except for live recordings, we don't usually record with fx anyway, except in a few instances such as distortion and some other cases.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ferdie on September 17, 2009, 06:09:54 PM
First of all, the fast track has a single 1/4" input which is switchable from guitar to line. You have to use a MONO guitar cable with this input. The other input accepts XLR (cannon) cables for direct connection of microphones.

One thing you can do is to put the fast track first in the chain: mic to ch. 1 and guitar to ch.2 (set to guitar, not line). Next, connect the outputs of the fast track to channel 5/6 or 7/8 on the stagepass. The only caveat is that you cannot record the stagepass reverb/EQ - you will have to do that in your pc. Except for live recordings, we don't usually record with fx anyway, except in a few instances such as distortion and some other cases.

Sir thanks ng marami! will try that tonight.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ferdie on September 18, 2009, 01:59:23 PM
Sir thanks ng marami! will try that tonight.

Sir KitC!!

Na-try ko na yung advice mo and it works!!!!!!

Sobrang salamat po talaga.!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ferdie on September 19, 2009, 05:16:29 PM
Sir Kit another newbie question:

How can I add effect on my guitar and vocal track on Live Lite 6. (i.e. I want to add reverb on the vocals and guitar).
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: --randz-- on September 23, 2009, 09:17:34 AM
hi sir kitc.. bago lang po ako dito sa forum... i have a behringer xenyx 802 and uca200.. ok naman sya mag-record.. the problem is hindi ko marinig yung tinutogtog ko (i.e. keyboard) while recording...pero nare-record naman (im using audacity).. then sa playback mo na lang maririnig yung ni-record mo...may mali kaya sa connection ko..

here is my existing connection:

xenyx 802 cd/out to uca200 input
xenyx 802 cd/in to uca200 output
uca200 usb to pc
headphone to xenyx802 phones

maraming salamat.. bago lang din po ako sa pc recording..
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 23, 2009, 12:04:23 PM
Sir Kit another newbie question:

How can I add effect on my guitar and vocal track on Live Lite 6. (i.e. I want to add reverb on the vocals and guitar).

When you highlight a track, there's a section of the bottom portion of the screen that says, "Drop effects here". Just drag any fx into that portion.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 23, 2009, 12:10:45 PM
hi sir kitc.. bago lang po ako dito sa forum... i have a behringer xenyx 802 and uca200.. ok naman sya mag-record.. the problem is hindi ko marinig yung tinutogtog ko (i.e. keyboard) while recording...pero nare-record naman (im using audacity).. then sa playback mo na lang maririnig yung ni-record mo...may mali kaya sa connection ko..

It has something to do with how audacity 'monitors' an incoming signal. You might have to play around with the playthrough setting in audacity's preferences. Software playthrough appears to record a 'stereo mix' so this is best avoided since this mixes down whatever you are recording and playing back at the same time.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: --randz-- on September 24, 2009, 08:55:08 AM
thanks sir kitc,,, how about if i'm using mixcraft4 or sonar 7? ano pong settings ang kailangan?
ask ko din po kung pwede sabay i-record ang vocals at guitar in different tracks sa uca200, pano po ang connection..?

salamat ulit.. :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 24, 2009, 10:13:59 AM
thanks sir kitc,,, how about if i'm using mixcraft4 or sonar 7? ano pong settings ang kailangan?

software input monitoring in sonar is activated by 'pressing' the button immediately after the M S R buttons in the track. it kinda looks like this .>> once activated, it should turn light green in color.

ask ko din po kung pwede sabay i-record ang vocals at guitar in different tracks sa uca200, pano po ang connection..?

you have to understand that the UCA is stereo in/out so you are limited to only 2 mono channels/tracks at a time. to record guitar and vocals simultaneously, you have to hard pan them. For ex., vocals are hard left and guitar is hard right. set your software to record mono tracks and assign input to the left or right channel accordingly. Same thing with the mixer that is feeding the UCA. That way, you can 'multitrack' simultaneously.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: --randz-- on September 24, 2009, 10:38:40 AM
maraming salamat sir... i'll try this mamaya pag-uwi ko.... :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on September 24, 2009, 05:28:34 PM
Napakainformative ng thread na ito!!! :-D

Tanong ko lang mga sir ano masasabi nyo sa website na ito: http://www.tarekith.com/assets/XPTweaks.htm (http://www.tarekith.com/assets/XPTweaks.htm)
Nipost yan ni sir Karlo before. Ok ba na itry yung mga recommendations dun? :-)
Mabuhay Philmu!!!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 24, 2009, 10:08:29 PM
Napakainformative ng thread na ito!!! :-D

Tanong ko lang mga sir ano masasabi nyo sa website na ito: http://www.tarekith.com/assets/XPTweaks.htm (http://www.tarekith.com/assets/XPTweaks.htm)
Nipost yan ni sir Karlo before. Ok ba na itry yung mga recommendations dun? :-)
Mabuhay Philmu!!!

They're ok. I used to communicate with tarekith over at productionforums.com which I also mod over.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on September 24, 2009, 10:31:31 PM
Salamat sir Kit!! :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: britesynth on October 10, 2009, 12:17:04 AM
question:

ano nag.cacause ng crackling noise/popping sound kapag nag.rerecord? madalas kasi nasasayang yung mga takes kasi may "crackle", ano pwede gawin para maiwasan?

thanks!  :lol:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 11, 2009, 11:21:59 AM
question:

ano nag.cacause ng crackling noise/popping sound kapag nag.rerecord? madalas kasi nasasayang yung mga takes kasi may "crackle", ano pwede gawin para maiwasan?

thanks!  :lol:

Try easing up on your latency. Don't use plugins when recording and make sure your hard drive is sufficiently 'clean' (i.e., recently defragged, no other programs running in the background, etc.).

About latency, it helps if you have some form of hardware monitoring. the hard part is if you rely on softsynths during realtime recording. My advice is to use an external synth, record the midi, then just replace the patch with a softsynth later on.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: --randz-- on October 16, 2009, 01:43:50 PM
hi sir kit c

i'm experiencing droupouts sa ni-record ko na kanta..

1. ano po maganda gawin para ma-avoid yung dropouts?
2. are too much effects to the tracks leads u to droupout?

im recording satb (choir) vocals using sonar.

thanks in advance
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 16, 2009, 02:01:58 PM
@randz - what is your interface? Are you simultaneously playing back instrument tracks while recording in sonar?

Here's a tactic I use with my Emu. The Emu cards are interesting with respect that both WDM and ASIO are simultaneously available. I can have Sonar open using ASIO while I have Wavelab open at the same time using WDM drivers - some other cards do not allow that. I can then record in Sonar while playing back a track in Wavelab without fear of dropouts. I sometimes use this setup the other way around (playback in Sonar, record in Wavelab) when I'm downsampling since I'm recording an analog signal bypassing any downsampling algorithms which sometime sound bad to me.

With other setups, you can presumably play back a stereo file using media player through the computer's onboard audio while recording through an audio interface that is using asio drivers. This assumes that you have the mixdown of the instrument tracks that the choir will sing to. Just add a sync click to the start of the mixdown file to help you in aligning the satb tracks in sonar later. I hope you catch my drift.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: --randz-- on October 16, 2009, 02:35:07 PM
sir kit.. im only using behringer uca200 with xenix mixer.. i also install ASIO...

here's how i record..
-  i insert first the audio (minus one) then, record soprano, then alto, tenor  & bass.
-  after i recorded all the vocals, during playback, wala syang dropout... nung nag-apply na ko ng effects (reverb and compression) sa satb,,, nung playback na, meron na pong dropout,,,

(may ibang songs na kami na narecord... pero hindi sya nag-dropout.)

then ang ginawa ko po... i import every voice category to wav file... then i inserted again to the multitrack of sonar... then on playback nawala yung dropout.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 16, 2009, 02:52:37 PM
-  after i recorded all the vocals, during playback, wala syang dropout... nung nag-apply na ko ng effects (reverb and compression) sa satb,,, nung playback na, meron na pong dropout,

Some effects are VERY processor intensive. Raise your latency settings to the highest possible during mixdown to ease up on the proccie.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: --randz-- on October 16, 2009, 03:19:29 PM
ok sir thanks..

 :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: --randz-- on October 17, 2009, 09:41:36 AM
sir.. hindi ako makapag-export ng mp3 sa sonar... wav lang...
ano po kaya problema? hanggang 16bit lang po ba ang behringer uca200?

ty :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 17, 2009, 11:41:01 AM
sir.. hindi ako makapag-export ng mp3 sa sonar... wav lang...

You have to buy that feature. It's stated in the manual <sigh>

Look for freeware converters - there are a LOT of them out there. While my mp3 export feature in Sonar is activated, I don't use it. I prefer to use the LAME encoder with the Razorlame GUI.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: --randz-- on October 20, 2009, 01:49:52 PM
thanks!!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alvincflorentino on October 22, 2009, 10:42:01 AM
Here I go again starting a new topic when/where I feel I shouldn't. Or is it ok? Here it is anyway...

I'd like to know how the Intel atom 270(?) or 280(?) fares as a processor for recording or does it really matter? I use Sonar 7PE and I'm wondering if this processor has any issues with regards my DAW? Actually, I'm thinking of buying a laptop and the small form ones seem to tickle my fancy. The thing is, it's Intel atom nga. The included RAMs are usually 1-2GB which I know is sufficient (but the more the better, yeah, yeah) and the hard drives are 160GB. Unfortunately, a lot of these small form laptops have HD speeds of only 4k plus. Swerte na if you find the 5k plus. You think we can we upgrade these to the 7k plus ones? Thanks to anyone who might wanna try to respond...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 22, 2009, 11:42:02 AM
Well, you will definitely have an issue with track counts as far as recording goes. But the real issue is with plugins, where cpu speed is essential. Definitely reverbs may cause it to bog down, but if it's any consolation, I used to do quite well with my old Pentium 233 MMX, so there.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alvincflorentino on October 22, 2009, 09:23:44 PM
I know what you mean. That new Sonar compressor and EQ are RAM/Processor hogs, huh? I actually have a much faster and more capable laptop but I get "audio stopped" messages now and then when I throw in too many reverbs, EQs, and spatializers, etc on too many tracks! Ha!

Thank you much for the advise, bro.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alvincflorentino on October 22, 2009, 09:38:08 PM
One other thing, if it's ok:

I'm thinking of buying a USB audio/MIDI interface (M-audio Fast Track Pro) for use with Sonar but do I really need it? I already have an existing MIDI to USB cable attached from my keyboard onto one USB port of the laptop. I've tried to record MIDI into Sonar and it works, albeit with a noticeable lag. I don't really mind the lag because I believe there's a workaround for the latency. But I also want an audio to USB connection so I can record live audio (duh?!) from my mixer. I know I can also use the existing line-in of my laptop, but can I also use an RCA (or TRS) to USB cable, which is soooo much cheaper than an interface? Is that workable? Will there be issues with using one USB port for MIDI and another for audio instead of just using one interface going into one USB port? I think I've just mixed myself up...haha!

Thanks again...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 23, 2009, 07:52:55 AM
Alvin,

No issues with what you are thinking, but look at it also from this perspective. The Fast Track combines midi and audio into one interface. You only use up one usb port for 2 possible devices, which can be important if you are using a port challenged laptop. Add to the fact that it probably has better audio specs compared to your planned 'RCA-to-usb' interface (CDRKing? - be forewarned), plus the interface already has XLR ports so future expansion is already built-in.

Still, I'm not stopping you if you want to proceed with your plans. Just think about it a little more.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alvincflorentino on October 23, 2009, 09:45:08 PM
Actually I was thinking more of the Behringer RCA to USB interface, not the CD-R King kind, God forbid! I'm thinking that will be an adequate alternative to the all-in-one interface in terms of audio fidelity, etc, albeit at a more affordable price. I fully agree that the one interface/one USB port is the best bet for reasons you've mentioned. In the meantime, I'm thinking hard and digging deep....
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alvincflorentino on October 24, 2009, 09:03:57 AM
Here's another one:

As most of us know, laptops nowadays have HDs in a variety of sizes. However, speed has not really been a priority in I'd say 90%, with most running at 5k plus, tops. If I had one that ran at 5k or even the older 4k ones, would upgrading the HD to one that ran at a more recording-friendly 7,200 rpm really make it run at 7,200 rpm? Or would the existing hardware/software configuration be hardwired to top at it's stock 5k or 4k and make the upgrade moot? If it's possible to upgrade, what are the steps to take ensure this? Thanks again...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: peeves24 on October 30, 2009, 10:15:37 AM
gumagamit pa ba kayo ng separate video card para sa DAW? thinking of building an amd phenom 9650 DAW this xmas.

sa luma ko ng setup P4 (2.66) kasi, mas mabilis naka AGP video card at mas mababa yung cpu util kesa kung gagamitin ko yung built in video ng motherboard
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 30, 2009, 11:49:10 AM
Peeves,

My first DAW had onboard video. Among my pet peeves (no pun intended) with onboard video was insufficient resolution and shared memory (which, at the time, impinged on my 512 megs of ram  :-o ).

Newer mobos now usually sport very capable video, but still at the cost of shared memory. Nevertheless, I still would use a separate video card since I like to sneak in a game or 2 in my DAW, although I wouldn't call Star Trek Legacy a video intensive game. (Waiting for Diablo 3 can be irritating.)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kaishin_zurcs on November 02, 2009, 06:47:40 PM
Hi sir KiT!

first i want to thank you for all the things that you mentioned in this thread. Its very very helpful esp for newbies like myself in terms of audio recording. I get some things that was mentioned here but some things are way OFF my knowledge so I guess I need to read and learn more about this stuff. :D


Just want you. on a personal perspective what do you think of the Behringer Podcast studio?

Thanks in advance sir :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 02, 2009, 08:42:39 PM
on a personal perspective what do you think of the Behringer Podcast studio?

Welcome to the forums, kaishin!

To be honest, I never tried the Behringer Podcast Studio - never needed to. It does fall, however, into the "you-get-what-you-pay-for" category, meaning it is inexpensive and possibly meant for only what it says... podcasting. AFAIK, they give you a small mixer, headphones, a UCA202 interface and a dynamic mic; not bad for a podcasting kit, but a little too much gear to lug around if you want a truly portable rig. I've seen podcasting rigs based on a usb mic, eliminating the need for a mixer and interface. Still, I'm pretty sure it is adequate for the intended job.

As for serious recording, however, that is another matter.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kaishin_zurcs on November 03, 2009, 04:20:14 PM
Welcome to the forums, kaishin!

To be honest, I never tried the Behringer Podcast Studio - never needed to. It does fall, however, into the "you-get-what-you-pay-for" category, meaning it is inexpensive and possibly meant for only what it says... podcasting. AFAIK, they give you a small mixer, headphones, a UCA202 interface and a dynamic mic; not bad for a podcasting kit, but a little too much gear to lug around if you want a truly portable rig. I've seen podcasting rigs based on a usb mic, eliminating the need for a mixer and interface. Still, I'm pretty sure it is adequate for the intended job.

As for serious recording, however, that is another matter.


Hmmm.. I think I get what you mean by this explanation. My friend suggested this when we are talking about having our own DAW and he goes suggesting to have this instead of buying sepperate gadgets for Audio recording. However, his intention is to use this not for Podcasting but for recording DEmo's for his band. I think he is under the impression that "all the you need" is in a package deal already so taht is hwy he prefered this. :))

Well, since i am a newbie i think for now i'll go for the creative soundblaster setup first then Go from there. thank again sir kit. More power to you and this trhead. :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 03, 2009, 05:52:21 PM
What you need is a full mixer, preferably 12 channels so you can record a majority of vocals and instruments. The Behri UCA will give you a means to record into the computer, or you could use the 'blaster line inputs in a similar manner. Mind you that having been a blaster user before, I know the difference in audio quality when stepping up to a better card. If you are planning on using a pci 'blaster, try to consider the M-audio 2496 instead as it has better audio specs. This will still limit your recording to 2 channels or stereo only. There is a way to record using spdif to increase your channel count to 4, but let's take it one step at a time.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alvincflorentino on November 03, 2009, 08:12:10 PM
Sir Kit

This is in relation to the post I had a few messages back. Didn't think I had to specifically address you to get your response but I'll try again...

I asked about the HD speed, etc. Actually, thinking back I believe the answer to my query is pretty obvious since upgrading to the 7,200 speed should make it run at 7,200 as long as it's the internal kind, right? Well here's another one that may again seem pretty obvious: would using an external HD (either the 7,200 desktop versions or the slower 5,400 laptop versions) connected via USB 2.0 to your laptop or desktop slow the actual access time--you know, at real world recording speeds--and make the external HD speed moot since the SATA connection is not being taken advantage of? I know that USB 2.0 and firewire 400 have more or less the same speeds (60 to 80 MB/sec?) and that firewire 800 is much faster (but who's got firewire 800 nowadays?). Anyway, my real concern is if the above info is within the ballpark, would using an external HD into USB 2.0 pose problems during 1) live recording and tracking, and 2) mixing and mastering using plug-ins, assuming that you save your files (and therefore access them when mixing) using the external HD? Hope I got your attention and will appreciate any response. Thanks again.

Alvin
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 04, 2009, 10:10:26 AM
Sorry if I didn't get back to you sooner, Alvin.

Anyway, from what I've been reading these past few days, you can make do with a 5400 rpm drive, it's just that your track counts may suffer a bit. If you are not doing a 100-track opus, then the 5400 drive will serve you well.

I have some concerns with using a usb2 drive for recording. One is that although it may have a faster data rate, remember that this is burst rate, not sustained data rate. This is where firewire beats that usb protocol. Another thing is that usb has a higher cpu polling rate than firewire, which could lead to potential dropouts during recording. I'd rather use usb drive as a backup media than a main recording drive.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alvincflorentino on November 04, 2009, 11:49:22 AM
No need for apologies, bro. Anyway, your advise has been noted. But I will try the USB HD bit for recording and mixing--since I'm gonna buy an external drive for backup anyway--and inform you of any problems encountered. I've noticed that using my laptop (dual core, 2GB RAM, stock 5,400 rpm HD--really basic recording requirements) doesn't necessarily produce droptouts unless the background functions, ie. anti-virus updates, start running. In those instances, I just wait it out. Then again, my track counts and plug-in use are never really maxed out. 'til then then.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kaishin_zurcs on November 12, 2009, 02:00:58 PM
nakita ko sa Jb music yung M-audio 2496 its like 7200 php. I am now in canada and i saw a music store here and it seems cheaper kasi 99 dollars (canadian) lng xa so parang 4500 siguro. Haii sayang medjo tight budget sana makabili ako. =)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: carl20 on November 24, 2009, 01:44:58 PM
sir KitC question po:

Im setting up a new cpu, what I have in mind is an MSI board with onboard firewire port for my presonus firepod and AMD II x4 processor 4gb of ram (upgradable up to 8gb) I'll be using an external drive for the audio files.

*what MSI board will you recommend?
*is AMD processors good for audio recording?
*is this set-up be fine?

thank you..
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 24, 2009, 02:52:34 PM
*what MSI board will you recommend?

If you want to use onboard firewire, Gigabyte usually uses TI firewire chips. Asus and MSI only use TI with their high end mobos.

*is AMD processors good for audio recording?

Normally, yes. I've previously used AMD for recording with no problems (my last AMD procie was an A64 3700+ San Diego). Unfortunately, I have no experience with the newer AM2+ or AM3 procs, but they should be ok.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: carl20 on November 24, 2009, 03:03:22 PM
thank you very much sir KitC..
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Mr.Floyd on December 02, 2009, 02:22:47 PM
sir good pm.. pwede ko po bang itap ung drum module sa m-audio 2496 to record a drum track?and possible po ba if ever na kaya nyang tumunog ng maganda like cd quality?

here's my equipment plan.

mixer
m-audio 2496
alesis dm5 drum module.
2pc condenser overhead
1pc. snare mic             


possible po ba mkpgrecord ako ng drum track with those gears?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on December 02, 2009, 02:27:39 PM
sir good pm.. pwede ko po bang itap ung drum module sa m-audio 2496 to record a drum track?and possible po ba if ever na kaya nyang tumunog ng maganda like cd quality?

You can connect the alesis via midi to the 2496, but you will have to record it's audio via analog I/O.

Yes you can record to cd quality, but remember that it is still a drum module that uses samples. You need some expert programming in order to get it to sound like it was played by a good drummer.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Mr.Floyd on December 02, 2009, 06:12:25 PM
You can connect the alesis via midi to the 2496, but you will have to record it's audio via analog I/O.

pano po procedure sir medyo di ko pa ma visualize kc..sensya napo sir ah first tym ko palang kase mgrerecord if ever..need more information pa po..hehe



Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Mr.Floyd on December 10, 2009, 04:50:28 PM
sir kit question lang po.. if i'm already using a soundcard like line 6 ux2 and has a phantom power already.. do i still need a direct injection box for the mic?and also if i have a mixer do i still need it?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on December 11, 2009, 09:25:31 AM
sir kit question lang po.. if i'm already using a soundcard like line 6 ux2 and has a phantom power already.. do i still need a direct injection box for the mic?and also if i have a mixer do i still need it?

No on the DI box. The mixer would be useful if you need more mic inputs than your ux2 can handle. If you don't need more than 2 mic preamps, then the mixer is superfluous. OTOH, since the ux2 is only capable of 2 simultaneous inputs, having a mixer around increases your total possible inputs, but it submixes them however.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: charles55 on December 17, 2009, 05:13:02 PM
Good afternoon sayo sir Kit. Naligaw ako dito sa MTPA at very informative ang threads.
Im a guitarist. I record my takes sa  LINE 6 Pod Studio GX.

gusto ko din sana magrecord ng Vocals.
isip ko sana kung pwede akong kumuha ng small mixer tapos connect ko sya sa Line 6 inteface?

possible kaya un sir?

eto ung illustration galing sa line6 pero parang di pwede ung mic since walang Phantom Power ung interface.
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g53/charles55_2006/setup_gx.jpg)

Thanks Sir. :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on December 17, 2009, 06:17:39 PM
gusto ko din sana magrecord ng Vocals.
isip ko sana kung pwede akong kumuha ng small mixer tapos connect ko sya sa Line 6 inteface?

The GX has only 1 input and it seems to be mono only and the input impedance appears to be voiced for guitars; a mixer will simply overdrive that input. There is no point in getting a mixer for that interface, unless you upgrade to the UX1 or UX2. Mics like the SM58 are not exactly compatible because the input is an unbalanced 1/4" jack.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: charles55 on December 18, 2009, 10:43:30 AM
ah ok sir..im thinking of upgrading nlang ng interface.

may ma recommend kb na interface na multu purpose na din?
pang mic, guitara, or kung pwede ung drums na din.

isip ko sana ung Presonus Firebox or MAudio interfaces..
any recommendations sir? thanks  :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on December 18, 2009, 02:16:53 PM
isip ko sana ung Presonus Firebox or MAudio interfaces..
any recommendations sir? thanks  :-)

Think about the number of inputs you will need. Drums need at least 3 mic inputs; an entire band setup needs at least 8 inputs. There are interfaces from Presonus and Maudio that fit that bill, and other interfaces from other manufacturers as well. Just make sure of possible compatibility issues with your pc (macs don't seem to have that problem... in general).
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: blah on December 24, 2009, 01:00:31 AM
Hey i'm having trouble with recording.. i get probably a 5ms delay every time i record or at least monitor my guitar through my pc speakers.

its really annoying. i just wanna record simple tracks and nothing fancy -- at least for now. I don't know much so please be gentle.

I only use the mic in of my motherboards input and an adapter to plug my guitar. i run a win7 machine, core 2 duo, 2 gig ram, no soundcard and use acid pro 6 as my daw..

so whats up with the delay? dahil ba sa equip ko? do i really need to buy an ux-1 (or the like) just to avoid having this delay?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on December 24, 2009, 09:44:44 AM
5ms is a very good figure and it is hardly noticeable. The problem arises if you can hear the delay, which is usually in the area of 15ms and above. It usually is better to get a soundcard for recording since these have monitoring features which allow zero delay making tracking an easier process.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Mr.Floyd on December 27, 2009, 10:38:36 PM
sir another question..is it possible to record also drum tracks sa line 6 ux2 and an 8 input mixer?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on December 29, 2009, 09:48:43 AM
sir another question..is it possible to record also drum tracks sa line 6 ux2 and an 8 input mixer?

yes, although you will be limited to recording stereo tracks of your drums only.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kaishin_zurcs on January 05, 2010, 05:53:29 PM
Hi sir kit,

          Again I need help. hehe :))

          Sir I recently acquired an Maudio 2496 usb.
          It is working fine and I can hear my self when i tried to put a microphone but the problem is I cant use it for recording.

         I am currently using Adobe audition and when I try to Arm a track for recording it seems that it wont recognize the audio interface for some reason.

        Now I am now sure if its a compatibilty issue or do i have to disble my on board sound card first or what. Totally clueless :(

       Thanks in advance sire kit :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 06, 2010, 01:01:50 PM
         I am currently using Adobe audition and when I try to Arm a track for recording it seems that it wont recognize the audio interface for some reason.

See if this will help: http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support.faq&ID=e517a9188d14181b9369d9df8f8f899a

It may say Fast Track, but I'm sure the functionality is the same.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: redballs17 on January 07, 2010, 11:27:21 AM
Question lang mga sirs,

May nagbigay sakin ng old canton na speaker 100watts at 8ohms, pwede ko bang gamitin siya bilang monitor speaker lagay lang ako ng power amp at mixer?

any suggestion kung anong amp?

TIA  :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 07, 2010, 11:38:04 AM
May nagbigay sakin ng old canton na speaker 100watts at 8ohms, pwede ko bang gamitin siya bilang monitor speaker lagay lang ako ng power amp at mixer?

For serious recording, I doubt you can rely on the accuracy of this speaker. Just connect it to your hifi.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: redballs17 on January 07, 2010, 11:40:39 AM
For serious recording, I doubt you can rely on the accuracy of this speaker. Just connect it to your hifi.

sayangs bili na lang siguro ko ng monitor speaker. thanks.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: samuelfianza on January 09, 2010, 10:33:20 AM
Ano po ang mga kailangan pag magrerecord ng vocals?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 09, 2010, 12:54:42 PM
Ano po ang mga kailangan pag magrerecord ng vocals?

A microphone would be nice...

Seriously, get the best gear you can afford for vocals, starting with the mic, preamp, and interface. Don't also forget about getting good cables... no point in getting premium gear then connecting it with cheap, crappy cables.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Mr.Floyd on January 14, 2010, 03:40:19 PM
sir question po pla ulit about drum recording.. im planning to use drum software like addictive drums ezdrummer etc. para dun ko kkunin yung tunog sa software and i'll use an alesis dm5 module triggered to my acoustic kit para ma control ko yung software via midi.. possible po ba na kahit i direct ko nalang yung module through usb via midi-usb cable kahit hindi na dumaan sa audio interface?thanks in advance, :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: redballs17 on January 14, 2010, 05:46:06 PM
I recently bought a Digitech RP155 as a recording interface. Other add-ons (like recomended software and other stuffs) that can enhance my recordings?

My set-up
Guitar ===> RP155 ===> CPU and Amp

TIA
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 15, 2010, 08:31:08 AM
possible po ba na kahit i direct ko nalang yung module through usb via midi-usb cable kahit hindi na dumaan sa audio interface?thanks in advance, :-)

Remember that you are using the DM5 only as a midi controller in order to trigger samples from ezdrummer. Since the drums are software, it's only a matter of recording the midi tracks, then rendering the resulting audio from ezdrummer. As an example, record a midi drum track then 'freeze' the track. Normally, your daw software will render an audio track from the softsynth.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 15, 2010, 08:50:36 AM
I recently bought a Digitech RP155 as a recording interface. Other add-ons (like recomended software and other stuffs) that can enhance my recordings?

You can use freeware such as audacity to begin recording. Sonar 8 has a trial edition that you can use for 30 days. There are other software out there such as Propellerheads' Record and Steinberg's Cubase. Choose the one that feels comfortable for you.

One more thing you might need especially when mixing... good monitors.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: berbs on January 19, 2010, 04:40:47 PM
sir, ok pa din po bang gamitin ang cool edit? hanggang ngaun kc ganun pa din ang gamit ko.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on January 19, 2010, 08:29:19 PM
Sir noob question. Ano ba sir yung mga 16-bit, 24-bit, na nakalagay sa mga DAW and sa mga pagprocess ng wave file? Tsaka samplerate na rin sir? Ang alam ko lang the higher the value the better the quality ng audio. One time kasi nagrecording ako na nakaset yung DAW ko ng 16-bit. AFter ng recording may option na yung wav file is 24-bit. Edi pinili ko yung 24-bit. Pwede nyo ba ako mabigyan ng linaw or some explanation sir? Tnx!!! :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 20, 2010, 11:10:48 AM
sir, ok pa din po bang gamitin ang cool edit? hanggang ngaun kc ganun pa din ang gamit ko.

Cool edit is ok. Early editions didn't do vst and asio, however, and it didn't have midi capabilities - not really a problem if you don't do midi. CE is now known as Audition and it is better, IMO, with the inclusion of spectral editing.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 20, 2010, 11:17:43 AM
One time kasi nagrecording ako na nakaset yung DAW ko ng 16-bit. AFter ng recording may option na yung wav file is 24-bit.

You will not gain much by increasing the bit rate of a 16-bit file to 24-bit. What it does is just add 8 zeroes to the end of the 16-bit word, and you don't gain anything in terms of detail. It is better to record a wav as 24-bit initially, rather than convert from 16 to 24.

There is a reason for recording at 24-bit. Better headroom for one. Usually, detail is in the last 4 to 8 bits of a 24-bit word. Fades, reverbs and high frequencies benefit from using the high bit rate. If you want to be able to hear the difference bit rate makes, try converting a file to 8-bit or even 4-bit if you could play it, then listen to the loss of detail. A similar effect can be achieved if you also use lower sampling rates such as 11 khz or below.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on January 20, 2010, 11:29:16 AM
^^ So kung yung soundcard ko sir(POD XT Live) is 96khz and 16-bit, no use kung yung daw ko is nakaset sa 24-bit? Sir maraming salamat nalinawan ako dun sa explanation nyo about 16-bit and 24-bit!!
Another question pa pala!! Maapektuhan ba yung latency if ever from 16-bit gawin kong 24-bit? Tnx tnx tnx!!!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 20, 2010, 12:10:34 PM
^^ So kung yung soundcard ko sir(POD XT Live) is 96khz and 16-bit, no use kung yung daw ko is nakaset sa 24-bit?

It's better to keep the DAW at 24-bit or even 16-bit processing, which is different from converting a file from 16-bit to 24-bit. Most daws today operate at 24-, 32- or even 64-bit internal processing, which is different from recording a wav natively as 24-bit. Your soundcard has to be 24-bit capable in order to record 24-bit wavs; if the POD is only 16-bit, it will only record 16-bit wavs. The increased processing bit rate is necessary for plugins; reverbs and compression, for ex., sound smoother if you use high bit rate processing.

Another question pa pala!! Maapektuhan ba yung latency if ever from 16-bit gawin kong 24-bit? Tnx tnx tnx!!!

No, but you will find that latency is slower at higher sample rates. The only caveat to this is that cpu loading can be inordinately high at sample rates above 48 khz so if you have a relatively low powered cpu, you may have fewer tracks available to you. One more thing, not all plugins operate at high sample rates.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on January 20, 2010, 11:11:44 PM
^^ Sir Kit maraming salamat!! Super nalinawan ako!!!! :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 21, 2010, 09:56:48 AM
It's better to keep the DAW at 24-bit or even 16-bit processing, which is different from converting a file from 16-bit to 24-bit. Most daws today operate at 24-, 32- or even 64-bit internal processing, which is different from recording a wav natively as 24-bit. Your soundcard has to be 24-bit capable in order to record 24-bit wavs; if the POD is only 16-bit, it will only record 16-bit wavs. The increased processing bit rate is necessary for plugins; reverbs and compression, for ex., sound smoother if you use high bit rate processing.

No, but you will find that latency is lower at higher sample rates. The only caveat to this is that cpu loading can be inordinately high at sample rates above 48 khz so if you have a relatively low powered cpu, you may have fewer tracks available to you. One more thing, not all plugins operate at high sample rates.

EDIT: Latency is lower... not slower.  8-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: berbs on January 21, 2010, 12:58:39 PM
Cool edit is ok. Early editions didn't do vst and asio, however, and it didn't have midi capabilities - not really a problem if you don't do midi. CE is now known as Audition and it is better, IMO, with the inclusion of spectral editing.
thanks po sir. saan po ba makakakuha ng audition at ano po ba ang ibig sabihin ng vst, asio at IMO? cencia na po sir maxado na akong hindi updated about recording. Im planning po kasing magtayo ng rehearsal studio and maybe recording studio in a very low budget status. anu po ba ang maganda for soundproofing? cheap but effective soundproof. salamat po.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on January 23, 2010, 11:29:58 AM
Noob question sir Kit!! Ano yung high pass filters and paano ito ginagamit? Salamat!!!!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 23, 2010, 12:29:49 PM
thanks po sir. saan po ba makakakuha ng audition at ano po ba ang ibig sabihin ng vst, asio at IMO?

Only so much can be posted in this site that hasn't already been posted elsewhere, so why re-invent the wheel? Go to www.tweakheadz.com and go through the guides there; the site is an excellent resource for everything audio and noobs will benefit from reading everything that site has to offer. Google other sites that also offer information about recording. Sorry, there's no shortcut if you want to improve in this biz.

As for Audition, you'll have to get it from Adobe. I know others will point you to torrent and warez sites, but there's nothing like starting right. I also know that most usually "try-before-you-buy", but let's face it, if you want to succeed in a business that you absolutely depend on, then why kill it? Buy the software you use, and I don't mean from G'hills and other dvd/cd shops.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 23, 2010, 12:38:39 PM
Noob question sir Kit!! Ano yung high pass filters and paano ito ginagamit? Salamat!!!!

High pass filters are EQs that pass audio above a certain frequency. This means that if you have a high pass set at 250 Hz, then it will pass frequencies from 250 Hz and above while attenuating (or cutting off completely) frequencies below 250 Hz. This type of EQ is often used to cut bass frequencies from a track or mix, especially if you want to remove "mud" from instruments that can obscure other instruments that are meant for playing bass.

An example of this is putting a high pass on guitar (or other instruments) so that the low end does not interfere with the bass guitar or kick drum, for example. Clearing up this "mud" makes the bass guitar more prominent and distinct.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on January 23, 2010, 12:44:06 PM
High pass filters are EQs that pass audio above a certain frequency. This means that if you have a high pass set at 250 Hz, then it will pass frequencies from 250 Hz and above while attenuating (or cutting off completely) frequencies below 250 Hz. This type of EQ is often used to cut bass frequencies from a track or mix, especially if you want to remove "mud" from instruments that can obscure other instruments that are meant for playing bass.

An example of this is putting a high pass on guitar (or other instruments) so that the low end does not interfere with the bass guitar or kick drum, for example. Clearing up this "mud" makes the bass guitar more prominent and distinct.
Haaayy ang lupet nyo sir!!!! Another brain cells nanaman sa utak ko dahil sa inyo!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Maraming salamat!!! :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: mr. gellybean on February 10, 2010, 08:27:12 AM
Ok.... rather than set up a tutorial thread, let's make this into a Q & A sort of thread and the emphasis will be on setting up your PC regardless of the specs.

Hi sir Kit,

Somebody gave me an Asus Commando motherboard with 4 gig of ram sticks... here's a link for the

specshttp://www.motherboards.org/reviews/motherboards/1706_2.html

what can you advice if im gonna build this into an audio workstation?  parts e.g. processor and what not... also, will this be compatible with the Fireface 800 from RME?  this board seems to only have one firewire...  thanks a lot...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 10, 2010, 09:53:53 AM
The Commando is for all intents and purposes, a gaming board because it has more 16x pcie slots than pci (2 only IIRC). Still, it can make a good DAW. Don't worry much about the firewire, either get a firewire expansion board or get an RME pci or pcie soundcard; the RME's seem to work well with most mobos.

It also is based on the Intel 965 chipset so you can use current 775-pin processors - see compatibility charts on the Asus site to confirm which are compatible.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on February 11, 2010, 12:46:52 PM
Sir may binili akong 2nd hand Neo laptop. Eto po yung specs:
Processor:    Intel Pentium Dual CPU T3400 @ 2.16Ghz
RAM:           2GB
OS:             Win7 64-bit
DAW:          Guitar Tracks Pro 3
Snoundcard: Pod XT Live
Harddisk:     250GB (paano ba sir malalaman yung speed ng harddisk ko?)

Sir hingi lang ako ng tulong nagkakaproblema talaga ako sa latency. Tamang driver for the soundcard naman gamit ko. Nkaset sa 96kHz, 24bit recording yung GT Pro3 with I/O Buffer Size set at 128kb.

Hingi rin sana ako ng email nyo sir send ko sa inyo yung nirecord ko hingi ako ng comments. Tnx
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 12, 2010, 10:28:58 AM
@Xelly - most laptops come with 5400 rpm drives. Recording at 96/24 can be hard on the cpu especially if you have several tracks already. There's nothing wrong with using 44.1 khz/24-bits for recording. Just post a link to your recording... I can PM you my email addy instead.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: berbs on February 12, 2010, 02:10:07 PM
god day sirs.

san po ba makakabili ng interface na mura lang?
sa us kasi around 49 dollars lang.
san po ba?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on February 15, 2010, 08:21:51 PM
@Xelly - most laptops come with 5400 rpm drives. Recording at 96/24 can be hard on the cpu especially if you have several tracks already. There's nothing wrong with using 44.1 khz/24-bits for recording. Just post a link to your recording... I can PM you my email addy instead.
Tnx for the info sir!! So makakatulong ng malaki sa latency kung ibaba ko sa 44.1khz sampling rate? If you dont mind sir paPM ng email nyo para send ko sa inyo yung wav file? Tnx!!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alvincflorentino on March 15, 2010, 10:43:47 AM
Hello. Hope someone could help me decide. I'm planning on getting an audio interface which I could use for both PC and Mac laptops. I have a basic idea on the needed specs to run audio recording software, plug-ins, etc on the PC: at least dual core but leaning towards core 2 duo, 2-2.5 gHz, at least 2GB ram, USB/Firewire ports, a large hard drive. However, I'm at a loss to the detailed specs on Macs since I've never owned one. I'm planning on getting my son a Mac for school purposes but it should double as a recording tool. Are the specs the same as for PCs like I mentioned? My purpose for getting 2 different platforms is so that he will become adept at either one using Sonar on the PC and ProTools on the Mac.

Next, since I shall be going cross-platform, the most basic interface I'm considering is M-audio FastTrack Pro USB. It's got all the bells and whistles plus MIDI I/O which is essential and it's very portable. And it's relatively cheap. It does work with PCs, right? Cuz I know it works with ProTools albeit the M-powered version. Will this also work with the LE version in case I purchase the LE instead? And can the ProTools M-powered or LE version be installed in both the PC and the Mac with no issues? I'm not too keen on using firewire as there seems to be more compatibility issues with the chip and it's attendant hassles. I know the MBox 2 will also work but will it work with PC?

Thanks in advance guys...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 15, 2010, 03:01:38 PM
Will this also work with the LE version in case I purchase the LE instead?

No. LE versions only work with Digidesign Mbox and 001/002/003 hardware.

And can the ProTools M-powered or LE version be installed in both the PC and the Mac with no issues?

We have had no issues with HD systems sharing with LE, but I'm not so sure between LE and M-powered. There is no practical difference between LE and MP save for hardware. If you are using M-audio, just install the MP version instead on both platforms.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alvincflorentino on March 15, 2010, 06:57:09 PM
No. LE versions only work with Digidesign Mbox and 001/002/003 hardware.

We have had no issues with HD systems sharing with LE, but I'm not so sure between LE and M-powered. There is no practical difference between LE and MP save for hardware. If you are using M-audio, just install the MP version instead on both platforms.

Great. I think I got it. So, it's M-audio >>> PT M-powered >>> PC or
                                        M-audio >>> PT M-powered >>> Mac;

Another possibility is............MBox 2 >>> PT LE >>> PC or
                                       MBox 2 >>> PT LE >>> Mac

Right?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 16, 2010, 05:35:39 PM
Right.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alvincflorentino on March 17, 2010, 10:20:01 AM
Great. Finally, what "decent" specs should I look for in a Mac to run PT M-powered? Like I said, I've never owned a Mac. Please give me the most basic spec and I can work up from there. What's G3 and G4 and will they suffice? I can see you responding with "track counts and plug-ins will suffer, etc..." but I mean tracking and recording wise and not necessarily extensive mixing "in the box."
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 18, 2010, 11:00:00 AM
What's G3 and G4 and will they suffice?

Those are very old models. Worse, they won't run Leopard.

Get yourself a new mac mini. It's more than enough. You will need a usb m-audio though so no pci soundcards to go with it. You can also go the mbox route if you prefer.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alvincflorentino on March 18, 2010, 09:40:42 PM
What about specs for a Mac laptop? Would prefer that to a desktop.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 19, 2010, 10:05:12 AM
Any present day mac laptop will do if that is your preference. Remember that you will need an external drive to go along with that mac if you want to record audio, although you can record to it's internal 5400 rpm drive. To accommodate the external drive for audio, you will most likely need firewire, and you only get firewire with the macbook pro models. Worse, macbooks no longer come with expresscard expansion slots so if you're planning on adding a UAD-2 card for ex., you just can't. Firewire and USB are all you get for your expansion needs. You do get an SD card slot, but seriously? Along with the iPad, the removal of the expresscard/pc card slot just brought more questions than answers for me.

Try to gauge your wants vs. what you really need.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alvincflorentino on March 19, 2010, 02:54:42 PM
...although you can record to it's internal 5400 rpm drive.

I think that's acceptable. Will be using a USB interface anyway so 2 tracks may be handled fairly easily...I think.

Firewire and USB are all you get for your expansion needs.

I could go the USB external drive route for recording audio but frankly, I've never tried recording direct to external drive so I don't know how efficient or effective that is.

I need a Mac for basic ProTools recording, but I don't want to spend my life savings to be able to do that. So there.  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 21, 2010, 11:55:49 AM
The rule of thumb is that you don't record to the drive where your programs and OS are. Even partitioning the drive only causes problems are far as head travel is concerned causing possible dropouts if the drive can't keep up. That's the reason why we recommend having a 2nd drive for audio data. Worse case scenario is when the OS drive fails, it will take all data, including your audio along with it. Think of the 2nd drive as a failsafe.

If basic stereo recording is what you need, you can get a more powerful pc laptop for the amount of money you will spend on a macbook. And let's not get into macs being less prone to viruses... osx is less secure than even vista.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on March 21, 2010, 08:15:54 PM
The rule of thumb is that you don't record to the drive where your programs and OS are. Even partitioning the drive only causes problems are far as head travel is concerned causing possible dropouts if the drive can't keep up. That's the reason why we recommend having a 2nd drive for audio data. Worse case scenario is when the OS drive fails, it will take all data, including your audio along with it. Think of the 2nd drive as a failsafe.

If basic stereo recording is what you need, you can get a more powerful pc laptop for the amount of money you will spend on a macbook. And let's not get into macs being less prone to viruses... osx is less secure than even vista.
Ok lang ba sir gumamit ng external hard drives na usb 2.0?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 22, 2010, 12:16:39 AM
Ok lang ba sir gumamit ng external hard drives na usb 2.0?

One of the reasons firewire is often recommended is because of the way it doesn't stress the cpu as much as usb does. While usb2.0 has theoretically greater data throughput, remember that this is 'burst' speed, not continuous data transmission. When writing audio to disk during recording, sustained throughput is more important and this is where firewire beats out usb, especially firewire 800. This means that usb drives are often better used for backing up data instead of recording direct to disk

To be honest, however, I have never tried to use a usb 2.0 drive for recording, but I'd rather be safe with my data than not. There is a new development for usb with the version 3.0 protocol, although it remains to be seen if usb 3.0 can provide the necessary sustained data throughput for audio.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alvincflorentino on March 22, 2010, 12:18:19 AM
The rule of thumb is that you don't record to the drive where your programs and OS are. Even partitioning the drive only causes problems are far as head travel is concerned causing possible dropouts if the drive can't keep up. That's the reason why we recommend having a 2nd drive for audio data. Worse case scenario is when the OS drive fails, it will take all data, including your audio along with it. Think of the 2nd drive as a failsafe.

If basic stereo recording is what you need, you can get a more powerful pc laptop for the amount of money you will spend on a macbook. And let's not get into macs being less prone to viruses... osx is less secure than even vista.

I think I've gone over the top requiring a Mac just for basic recording into ProTools when, like you said, I can have my cake and eat it too with a PC laptop running Protools LE or M-powered as long as I have the correct interface.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alvincflorentino on March 29, 2010, 02:39:14 PM
Here's another topic related to my last post. I've an HP laptop with an AMD 64 X2 proc and I'm thinking of using ProTools on that machine. Will there be any issues and, if so, is there a solution other than buying an Intel-based laptop? Here are the specs to my current laptop:
(http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2191/12879787/22918134/384938624.jpg)

Thanks for the advise!
 
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 30, 2010, 08:28:54 AM
http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=3&langid=100&categoryid=35&itemid=23010

A look at the Digi specs indicate compatibility with AMD processors, but they specify Nforce chipsets... even the outdated Via KT266 chipset is stated!

Check with the link above for compatibility, or you could try the DUC forums in their windows PT forum.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alvincflorentino on March 30, 2010, 08:38:28 PM
Yup. Thanks for the info. I did go through those pages but I guess I needed someone who has actual experience with AMD. Luckily, I asked the same question in the recordingreview.com forum and someone had apparently used the combination successfully (AMD X2/nForce4/ProTools LE8). However, he was using an MBox2 rather than the original MBox. Oh well, hafta try them out first...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 04, 2010, 10:35:28 AM
If it's any consolation, we tried out PT 7 M-powered on an AMD DAW with a 1010LT at the defunct PIMP studios... ask BAMF.

We hated the PT interface, though. And preferred Cubase as our recording software of choice. The funny part? We would master the mixed down tracks using Sonar's VC64.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kaishin_zurcs on April 05, 2010, 11:55:41 AM
sir kit,


        I am sorry but i need yet again an expert advice from you :D

        I had avquired a USB fast track m audio. It seems that mic is picking up voice and i can hear it in the speakers and audio but i cant seem to record anything using adobe audition 3.0. I tried to check and an error occured while trying to hardware setup to m audio.

(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3751/arer.jpg) (http://img189.imageshack.us/i/arer.jpg/)




i tried pretty much everything stated in this thread.. http://forums.m-audio.com/archive/index.php/t-1476.html

1.) reisntalled driver
2.) used the onboard card for output (as advice in the thread)
3.) device manager put a check on power saving off for usb hubs
4.) disabled start up for m audio in ms config
5.) Try enabling the "Do Not Map Through This Device":

i do not what to do from this point and it seems that it is a known issue. I just felt that I didnt reasearch enough before even buying this stuff. hope my money is not lost with this gadget, thanks sir kit.

I am running XP sp2, 1 gig memroy 200+ hd space..
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 06, 2010, 10:32:48 AM
Not enough data on your pc. I need to know specific make of motherboard and maybe cpu.

Since the fast track is usb, you might have to check on the specific usb port you are using. One thing about usb devices, once you install the fast track to a specific usb port, leave it there! Although usb is supposed to be plug and play, most driver installs 'affix' the device to a particular port. I seem to recall that the fast track is usb 2.0; if you are plugging into a usb 1.1 port, that could be the source of your problems.

From all indications of your screenshot, it appears to be a driver issue to me. And what's the deal with using onboard audio for monitoring? The fast track should be capable of it. You cannot use 2 different audio devices with asio. Asio drivers do not share at all with multiple audio devices. For you to monitor using the onboard, you have to use WDM or Directsound drivers.

You can also experiment with asio4all if you are having problems with asio implementation.

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alvincflorentino on April 06, 2010, 09:26:07 PM
If it's any consolation, we tried out PT 7 M-powered on an AMD DAW with a 1010LT at the defunct PIMP studios... ask BAMF.

We hated the PT interface, though. And preferred Cubase as our recording software of choice. The funny part? We would master the mixed down tracks using Sonar's VC64.

In all honesty, I'm a Sonar guy through and through, ever since Twelve Tone Systems came out with Cakewalk 3.0 (I think). The only reason for me wanting to venture into ProTools territory is because my son is getting into Music Prod and they use both Sonar and ProTools (which you already know since you taught there, right?) and, therefore, I'd like for him to have access to and become as familiar as possible with both platforms.

BTW, don't you just love that VC64? Ha!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 08, 2010, 09:50:22 AM
You should hear VC64 (and sonar in general) in a true 64-bit environment. I've heard that some engineers now prefer Sonar 8 plus Win7 Pro or Ultimate 64-bit for mastering. I'm trying to verify this though.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: melodic_claws on June 02, 2010, 06:19:32 PM
Hello mga ser,

Binabasa ko tong forum at nakakatuwa kasi ang dami kong natututunan though yung iba ang hirap i apply as iba iba kasi yung DAW at interfaces na ginamit. Just want to hear pieces(madami talaga kelangan ko kasi talagang baguhan ako sa field) of advices from the expert.

My set up is the just simple. A guitar/bass/mic-->zoom g2.1u-->PC(cubase LE4) Since wala po kaming drummer, we uses drum machine softwares na tinimpla ko rin according to my taste.

Layin nung mga mga tunog, ayus naman, all are sync according to my ear's perception.

Here are my questions. Sana po masagot nyo mga ser

1. Yung drum machine, pano sya lalabas na real drums. Na satisfy ako nung na hybrid ko sya acoustic mixcraft5 by using compressor plugins. May iba bang teknik na pwedeng gamitin (metal pala ang genre ng tugtugan so more of malutong na snares and double bass drums

2. Pag kinocompare ko yung mga advertise professional CD sa ginawa kong output.. Parang payat ang tunog nung sa akin.. Tinaasan ko na up to 4-5 decibel gamit ang adobe audition ang output(sama ang mga hard limiting and many more efx na mapapalakas at mapapganda ang output ng recording). May settings ba ako na dapat i set sa cubase in terms of output production?

3. Say naka 3 songs ka na, pano mo papantayin ang decibel output nito kung i burn mo na sa CD. yung tipong pantay lahat.

4. Sa vocals, I am using Shure mic PG58, paano papaangatin ang tunog ng vox at pati na rin ang bass(by pass lang to walang efx para hindi maghalo sa tunog ng gitara)? May teknik din ba dito or efx or any hybrid utility na pwedeng gamitin?

Yan po muna ang aking queries. Sana po hindi kayo naguluhan sa mga tanong ko.. any suggestions, responses will be highly appreciated.


Edit: This question has been posted to other thread pala.. nde ko kasi alam kung san ko rin popost sa anong thread :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: sugonidamaso on June 19, 2010, 02:03:58 PM
Nice forum sir!i'm using sony acid studio 7.my problem is pano ko po i-separate ung background noise that i recorded from tape?played it from walkman to pc.any idea po?thanks!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 20, 2010, 10:51:31 AM
How did you connect your walkman to your pc? If you used the mic in, the impedance mismatch will cause noise and level problems. Always use line in as much as possible and watch those levels!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: sugonidamaso on June 20, 2010, 11:39:04 AM
everythings fine sir.ung tape tlga ung my noise background(my laman ung tape nung napatungan ng new recording).connect ko po sya ng pang aux adaptor.pano ko po i-separate ung new recorded music?tnx po sa reply!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 22, 2010, 04:03:03 PM
everythings fine sir.ung tape tlga ung my noise background(my laman ung tape nung napatungan ng new recording).connect ko po sya ng pang aux adaptor.pano ko po i-separate ung new recorded music?tnx po sa reply!

Only so much processing you can do with tape hiss before the noise reduction becomes evident. Just apply noise reduction in several passes using small percentages at a time.

If you can hear previously recorded material on the tape, there is no easy solution to that other than to re-record. Malamang the erase head on the walkman is loaded with oxide.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: sugonidamaso on June 22, 2010, 10:28:16 PM
will do sir.thank po ng madami
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Zacchary_amadeus on June 25, 2010, 11:54:11 AM
im just new here in this thread. i am just wondering is it possible if i could set up an hp netbook for recording?? if it is possible, what are the things that could be done?? got my 2.1 speakers though..
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on June 25, 2010, 03:26:15 PM
im just new here in this thread. i am just wondering is it possible if i could set up an hp netbook for recording?? if it is possible, what are the things that could be done?? got my 2.1 speakers though..
Pwede yan sir!! Ano specs ng netbook nyo?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Zacchary_amadeus on June 27, 2010, 11:30:37 AM
intel atom 1.66 ghz processor
120 gb hdd memory
2 gb ram
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 27, 2010, 03:32:34 PM
In theory, it can be done. A colleague from CSB installed PT M-powered into his netbook and it worked... sorta.

You will get limited functionality when it comes to plugins that rely heavily on the cpu (native processing). Often, you might have to process fx offline and not be able to audition them in realtime.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Zacchary_amadeus on June 27, 2010, 07:26:36 PM
oh thanks i will try my luck if I can do it.. Where can I get PT M sir?? is it available from the internet and locally in the philippine market??
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on June 27, 2010, 10:07:58 PM
oh thanks i will try my luck if I can do it.. Where can I get PT M sir?? is it available from the internet and locally in the philippine market??
Yung una kong laptop sir ganyan specs kaya naman. Medyo naghihingalo nga lang kapag marami na yung tracks and plugins. :-o
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 28, 2010, 09:46:16 AM
Pro Tools M-powered is available at JB Music.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: zephglazer on July 03, 2010, 11:21:18 AM
is it alright if i would choose acid pro 7.0
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on July 03, 2010, 11:27:04 AM
Sony's Acid is ok although it is essentially a program for looping midi and audio. I'm not sure how well it does audio editing now, but I like how Acid implements their time stretch algorithms. I think Acid has been surpassed by Ableton Live in the looping department.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: CeL1916 on July 06, 2010, 12:02:02 PM
bago lang ako sa Recording eh, home recording lang, parang hobby lang at di naman pa ganun kaseryoso. ang gamit ko nga pala eh Cakewalk


tanung ko lang pano ba marecord yung live na tugtugan pero ang pasok sa recorder mo eh seperate tracks siya, at hindi isang track lang..

halimbawa lahat ng instruments naka line in sa isang mixer, tapos yung mixer ko nakatape-output sa laptop using RCA yung Y-cable nakasaksak sa mic-in..


kaso pag tumugtog na at narerecord yung instruments sa isang track lang.. :-P
naseseparate bayun mga sirs, para hiwalay yung guitar tracks sa bass tracks at sa drum tracks?
kahit sabay sabay tinugtog yun.

sana naintindihan niyo yung tanong! hehe..
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alvinilano on July 06, 2010, 12:32:14 PM
bago lang ako sa Recording eh, home recording lang, parang hobby lang at di naman pa ganun kaseryoso. ang gamit ko nga pala eh Cakewalk


tanung ko lang pano ba marecord yung live na tugtugan pero ang pasok sa recorder mo eh seperate tracks siya, at hindi isang track lang..

halimbawa lahat ng instruments naka line in sa isang mixer, tapos yung mixer ko nakatape-output sa laptop using RCA yung Y-cable nakasaksak sa mic-in..


kaso pag tumugtog na at narerecord yung instruments sa isang track lang.. :-P
naseseparate bayun mga sirs, para hiwalay yung guitar tracks sa bass tracks at sa drum tracks?
kahit sabay sabay tinugtog yun.

sana naintindihan niyo yung tanong! hehe..


You will need an interface with multiple inputs :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on July 06, 2010, 02:30:09 PM
bago lang ako sa Recording eh, home recording lang, parang hobby lang at di naman pa ganun kaseryoso. ang gamit ko nga pala eh Cakewalk


tanung ko lang pano ba marecord yung live na tugtugan pero ang pasok sa recorder mo eh seperate tracks siya, at hindi isang track lang..

halimbawa lahat ng instruments naka line in sa isang mixer, tapos yung mixer ko nakatape-output sa laptop using RCA yung Y-cable nakasaksak sa mic-in..


kaso pag tumugtog na at narerecord yung instruments sa isang track lang.. :-P
naseseparate bayun mga sirs, para hiwalay yung guitar tracks sa bass tracks at sa drum tracks?
kahit sabay sabay tinugtog yun.

sana naintindihan niyo yung tanong! hehe..
Check nyo sir Presonus Firepod or mga M-Audio na products. :D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: putchazta_46 on July 06, 2010, 04:52:48 PM
Haha it's the first time I read this thread and I'm only done with the first two pages. Might as well bookmark this thread for me to read the other pages and for future reference. Thank you very much!!!!! 

:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: CeL1916 on July 12, 2010, 04:28:48 PM
Sabay-sabay talaga? baka dapat bawat instruments mo may kanya-kanyang mic or direct cables, tapos may gagamitin kang gadget na parang ROUTER para sa sharing..? tapos dun mo isasaksak lahat. parang sa mga totoong recording :|

pero kung pa isa-isa pwede na DIY patong-patong nalang :wink:

haha di ko yan sure, feeling ko lang ganyan dapat. DIY recording lang ako e, haha

Bale, ang recording  eh isa-isa lang muna tapos patong lang nang patong? di pala pwede yun maseperate kahit may mixer? :|
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on July 12, 2010, 04:51:22 PM
^^ Ang mixer kasi sir is nimimix yung mga tunog from input. Ang kailangan nyo nga sir is yung may multiple input na interface. Check nyo nga yung Presonus Firepod. Igoogle nyo sir.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on July 13, 2010, 10:21:17 AM
Pero kung gusto mo din gawin e; Kung paano mo Hihimayin yung isang Song, na naka mp3 format na. try mo 'to basahin http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=870297&mpage=1&print=true (http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=870297&mpage=1&print=true)

The cakewalk thread is about midi, which is way, way different from audio.

Here's an example of multiple tracks of midi and audio using Sonar:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/kitcoronel/TotoS5.jpg)

In the picture, I think about 3 hardware synths were tracked simultaneously, the softsynths were rendered to audio, and an electric guitar part was added since it was better to track it live than sequenced.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on July 14, 2010, 10:09:32 AM
In the above pic, the midi tracks are already muted since I recorded the synths to audio and rendered the softsynths, all to separate audio tracks. In cases where a synth provided a drum sound, these were recorded dry to individual tracks for each sound, mostly for the kick, snare and hat. Toms and cymbals were also recorded to their own stereo tracks (the kick, snare and hat were recorded mono). The entire drum tracks were then sent to an aux channel for submixing and compression.

Track 34 features the live guitar that I had a friend record. I flew in his wav and then cut it up so that I could adjust the timing. You could see that somewhere around measure 45 where I added V-vocal to the track to further adjust timing since my buddy was sometimes leading or lagging the beat - a sign that the metronome wasn't on when he recorded, and this was on the all important solo! Btw, this is a sequence of Toto's "I Won't Hold You Back" which I made for a local 'artist' some years back.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: CeL1916 on July 26, 2010, 04:35:33 PM
eto mabilis na tanung lang..


san niyo kinakabit yung mixer..(kapag lahat ng amps sinasak ko sa isang mixer para isang out lang papuntang pc)?


ginagamit ko kasi yung microphone-input o dapat ba dun sa "LINE-IN" input(light-blue ang color code)
pang noob yung tanung pero talagang di ko lang alam para san yun..

tsaka @ Xelly

anung tawag diyan sa firepod? (generic name/hindi yung brand) thanks!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on July 27, 2010, 09:35:15 AM
eto mabilis na tanung lang..


san niyo kinakabit yung mixer..(kapag lahat ng amps sinasak ko sa isang mixer para isang out lang papuntang pc)?


ginagamit ko kasi yung microphone-input o dapat ba dun sa "LINE-IN" input(light-blue ang color code)
pang noob yung tanung pero talagang di ko lang alam para san yun..

tsaka @ Xelly

anung tawag diyan sa firepod? (generic name/hindi yung brand) thanks!
"Audio interface" sir. :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: s2ry0fdyr on July 29, 2010, 08:35:26 PM
sir,
Need help

Im planning to switch form PC to Apple IMac or MacPro
for my basic Home Recording..

I will be using Ableton Live as my Sequencer Software
Plan to record eight Mic for drums, Some Plug-ins

Is Imac good  enough for recording or should I go to MacPro?
(but MacPro is a little bit too pricey for me)


thanks
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jamming_papu on July 29, 2010, 08:46:16 PM
An Imac can be good enough for your specs above. 8 input simultaneous recording won't require too much hardware power. Specs of current Imac models (e.g. IntelCore I3 - 4gb RAM) are powerful enough for multitrack recording. Ableton works well with Macs.

Just get a compatible interface and your good to go.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: s2ry0fdyr on July 29, 2010, 11:20:39 PM
An Imac can be good enough for your specs above. 8 input simultaneous recording won't require too much hardware power. Specs of current Imac models (e.g. IntelCore I3 - 4gb RAM) are powerful enough for multitrack recording. Ableton works well with Macs.

Just get a compatible interface and your good to go.

thanks for the reply.

I'm currently using Line6 Toneport Ux8
I just wanna make sure if will i'll be to avoid issues like latency, clicks or drops?
I dont use so much plug-ins though..
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jamming_papu on July 29, 2010, 11:52:20 PM
thanks for the reply.

I'm currently using Line6 Toneport Ux8
I just wanna make sure if will i'll be to avoid issues like latency, clicks or drops?
I dont use so much plug-ins though..


Toneport has good latency adjustment settings. The I-3 with a 3GHz processor with 4Gb DDR3 RAM seems more than enough for the hardware requirements. If ever there is a noticeable latency observed in the setup, adjusting buffers and sampling rate can be done to solve this. This can be done in the Hardware settings of the interface or within the DAW.  :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: malabert on August 01, 2010, 09:35:25 PM
Mga sir Im planning to buy a Berhinger FCA 202...What do you think ok po ba ito?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 02, 2010, 10:32:47 AM
Mga sir Im planning to buy a Berhinger FCA 202...What do you think ok po ba ito?

It's good for starters although I believe some people have had issues with latency.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: axebass26 on August 02, 2010, 10:43:36 AM
behringer xenyx1202 -> uca202 -> computer

is this a decent setup for home/garage recording?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 02, 2010, 11:08:21 AM
behringer xenyx1202 -> uca202 -> computer

is this a decent setup for home/garage recording?

Well, yes, although you are limited to stereo/2-channel recording with this setup.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: A.B on August 05, 2010, 03:30:44 AM
sir kitc

pede ba onboard sound card gamitin pag mag record
tapos computer mic then speakers with headphone?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 05, 2010, 03:38:07 PM
pede ba onboard sound card gamitin pag mag record
tapos computer mic then speakers with headphone?

Yes, but be aware that sound quality may not be the best. You are also limited to line in plus the mic in for inputs... not recommended if you plan on plugging in your guitar.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: A.B on August 06, 2010, 04:33:03 AM
Yes, but be aware that sound quality may not be the best. You are also limited to line in plus the mic in for inputs... not recommended if you plan on plugging in your guitar.

thanks sir
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: akoyatasiemil on August 06, 2010, 05:42:46 PM
hi sirs and maams :) tanong ko lang kung ok ba ung m-audio delta 1010lt?
gusto ko po sana kasi malinis ung tunog tsaka ok ung quality.

at ano po ung specs ng pc pag nag assemble ako? balak ko magpaassemble para sa m-audio delta 1010lt.

thank you very much!!! :D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 06, 2010, 11:12:40 PM
The 1010LT is a pci soundcard and most motherboards today have only 1 or 2 pci slots; choose your mobo wisely. It's a good soundcard but it only accepts RCA line in so you will either require a preamp or mixer if you want to add mics to your setup.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: akoyatasiemil on August 06, 2010, 11:17:48 PM
thank you for the reply sir :) may masusuggest ba kayo na ibang ok na audio interface(yun ba tawag dun?)

budget ko pala 200$ sa musicians friend ako tumitingin :D

ano po pala sasabihin ko sa mag a-assemble para sa ganitong sound card (m-audio 1010lt)?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 06, 2010, 11:25:53 PM
If you need multiple inputs, then the 1010LT is good for you. Try to judge how and what you will record. For ex., will you record a guitar? Then maybe something like a Line6 UX1 or UX2 is more suited for you. If you will record a band setup or drums, then you definitely need 4 or more inputs. Design your decision (and your computer and gear) around the software you will use. If you want Pro Tools compatibility, then something like M-audio, Digidesign, or even Mackie, will fill your needs.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: akoyatasiemil on August 06, 2010, 11:32:58 PM
kakabasa ko lang po ng reviews nakita ko may mga negative reviews ung line 6 ux2.
tinry ko basahin mga reviews ng line6 ux1 wala negative kaya baka mag ux1 nalang ako para sure?
eto ung plano ko para sa home studio sir

record ng guitar/bass
record ng midi (pwede po ba to sa ux1?)
record ng vocals (nabasa ko po na di to pwede sa ux1 kasi walang phantom power, ano po kailangan ko para dito? mixer?)
record ng drums pero electronic drums (pwede din po ba to sa ux1? kung hindi, ok lang program na lang muna ng drums)

mga genre: metal, electronica and acoustic

software: cubase or sonar

pang sariling gamit at home studio lang, pero gusto ko ok na demo :D

thank you po ulit!!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 09, 2010, 10:16:14 AM
kakabasa ko lang po ng reviews nakita ko may mga negative reviews ung line 6 ux2.
tinry ko basahin mga reviews ng line6 ux1 wala negative kaya baka mag ux1 nalang ako para sure?

I dunno... some of the 'problems' I've been reading seem to point to user error.

The UX1 should be sufficient for your needs.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: altec122 on August 11, 2010, 08:13:18 PM
Good day mga sir!

binasa ko na po yung buong thread pero wala po akong nakitang explanation para ma solve yung problem ko.

inquiry about guitar>effect>pc sound.

tanong ko lang po bakit sa LEFT speaker lang po natunog yung gitara kapag sinasaksak ko siya sa line-in ng pc?

may paraan ba po para mapatunog ko yung gitara sa left and right satellite ng speaker?

set up is:

Guitar > Effect (zoom g1x next) > line-in

I'm using a Stereo converter type jack like this one
(http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5821/jack2535.th.jpg) (http://img208.imageshack.us/i/jack2535.jpg/)


Salamat po!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on August 11, 2010, 11:11:53 PM
Saang output sa G1xNext nyo kinabit yung sir? Sa headphones output ba?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: altec122 on August 12, 2010, 12:55:34 AM
^ yes sir sa headphones/line-out ng g1xn po
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on August 12, 2010, 01:32:46 PM
Try nyo ikabit sa mic-in sir.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 12, 2010, 02:37:14 PM
tanong ko lang po bakit sa LEFT speaker lang po natunog yung gitara kapag sinasaksak ko siya sa line-in ng pc?

Check the headphone output on the G1X by really inserting a headphone. If you hear only the left channel, either the particular effect setting is mono and panned hard left, or the right channel is busted if all effect setting exhibit left channel operation only.

Another explanation for the 'left-channel only' syndrome is that you're using a mono guitar cable from the G1X connected to a stereo 1/4" to 1/8" converter plug going into the pc's line in. Do not connect from a device's headphone out/line outputs into the mic in of the computer.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: altec122 on August 12, 2010, 08:13:13 PM
Try nyo ikabit sa mic-in sir.

salamat sa idea pero hindi po ata ito recommended

Another explanation for the 'left-channel only' syndrome is that you're using a mono guitar cable from the G1X connected to a stereo 1/4" to 1/8" converter plug going into the pc's line in. Do not connect from a device's headphone out/line outputs into the mic in of the computer.

yes I'm using a mono guitar cable, if I get my hands on a stereo type guitar cable I'll test it right away.
Check the headphone output on the G1X by really inserting a headphone....

will do sir once I get my hands on a 1/8 to 1/4 converter

--

thanks for all your inputs, I will update my situation soon
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on August 12, 2010, 09:01:19 PM
Check the headphone output on the G1X by really inserting a headphone. If you hear only the left channel, either the particular effect setting is mono and panned hard left, or the right channel is busted if all effect setting exhibit left channel operation only.

Another explanation for the 'left-channel only' syndrome is that you're using a mono guitar cable from the G1X connected to a stereo 1/4" to 1/8" converter plug going into the pc's line in. Do not connect from a device's headphone out/line outputs into the mic in of the computer.
Eto sir from the expert na!! :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: nhojie on August 19, 2010, 08:38:57 PM
25 pages of good read!!! keep it comin'!! :evil:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: inot1105 on August 26, 2010, 12:27:36 PM
hi experts, especially to Mr.KitC.

First of all Thanks for the advices when I started out venturing into home recording. This forum really helped me a lot about the basics and all.

I'm a guitar-oriented recording homeboy.
As all of my time & effort were going well, so far, with recording & doing sample tracks with guitars & midi drums & bass.

Finally, the vocals.
It was not so easy as i thought it would be.
I'm having trouble, getting a steady vocal sound. Even though singing in the steady range with the mic.

Here's my vocal setup:
SM58 -> EMU0404(usb2.0) -> pc

I've back-read this thread to see if i missed anything. Mic-preamp maybe.
But, the EMU0404 has 2 L & R inputs with mic preamps (as indicated in its specs)

So now, since i have what it takes (or so i think), what could i be missing in my setup?
or what tweaking do i need, in order to have the good vocal take. Steady that is.

Steady meaning, all the sound are at the optimum level.
What I did to correct the irregularity of the vocal track, was to edit the waveform in audacity.
Still, i'm not so satisfied with the output.

any comments & suggestions would be helpful.

many thanks in advance to all.

BR & God bless
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 26, 2010, 04:03:15 PM
Good singers have good mic technique. One of the things a singer should try to maintain is a constant distance from the mic, usually 6" to 8" away for most people. What some engineers do is set up a pop filter at the aforementioned distance and instruct the singer to 'kiss' the pop filter; that way, a consistent distance is maintained.

Another quality of a good singer is consistent volume. Moving closer or farther from the mic to maintain a consistent volume is usually the hallmark of a good singer.

Finally, we have compression to even out the peaks. This is a technique not easily learned. Sometimes, very light compression/limiting is applied during recording to catch and tame peaks, while more compression is applied during mixing.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: inot1105 on August 27, 2010, 09:02:47 PM
Thanks so much Mr.KitC.
'guess i'm not really a singer eh...hehehe.

Pop-filter - Noted.

salamats ulit.

br & God bless
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: dualdeath on September 11, 2010, 04:37:39 PM
hello po.. bago lang ako dito.. sana walang uminit ulo sa tanong ko..

well medyo matagal na rin ako naggigitara.. just for leisure.. ngayon naisipan ko na gusto ko irecord yung tinutugtog ko.. so eto, nagrresearch ako kung ano ba dapat ko gawin para maiconnect ko sa laptop ko yung guitar para marecord ko dun.. kasi pangit yung sound pag nirerecord ko sa built-in mic nung laptop.. then nagresearch ako.. pwede pala from guitar diretso sa mic(port) ng laptop using a cable.. pero magssuffer naman daw sa latency.. now i'm looking for the right hardware and software para magawa ko ito reducing latency.. so sana may makapagenlighten sakin.. kung pwede rin sana, yung best solution w/ cheaper expenses.. and btw i just plan on recording using my guitar.. nothing else..

edit: nakita ko mukhang ok yung line6 toneport gx.. wala nga lang ako makitang nagbebenta dito..  :|

kung mali man napagpostan ko.. please link me to the right topic to post my inquiry.. thank you po..
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 12, 2010, 03:58:43 PM
edit: nakita ko mukhang ok yung line6 toneport gx.. wala nga lang ako makitang nagbebenta dito..  :|

Just wait. These things have a way of popping up in the guitar or pro audio classifieds.

As an alternative, some M-audio interfaces also offer guitar input; JB also has the Mbox2 and Saffire interfaces which have instrument/guitar inputs. Yupangco offers Cakewalk/Roland interfaces that also have similar features.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: dualdeath on September 12, 2010, 08:43:07 PM
Just wait. These things have a way of popping up in the guitar or pro audio classifieds.

As an alternative, some M-audio interfaces also offer guitar input; JB also has the Mbox2 and Saffire interfaces which have instrument/guitar inputs. Yupangco offers Cakewalk/Roland interfaces that also have similar features.
thank you po sir.. i'll look into those you suggested.. noon i was scouting for behringer ucg102 and stealthplug.. pero nagbasabasa ko and found out a a few cons about those including noise and latency.. kaya nung nakita ko yung line6 gx.. i wanted to get myself one, pod studio or toneport.. researching really does help.. gusto ko lang maconfirm na tama yung mga naiisip ko.. kaya nagpost ako dito.. i'm new to recording..

thanks again.. :D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 13, 2010, 08:51:20 AM
btw, I think yupanks also carries Line6... at least last time I looked.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: dualdeath on September 13, 2010, 09:22:49 AM
btw, I think yupanks also carries Line6... at least last time I looked.
thank you sir.. medyo noob ako.. kaya di ko nagets yung yupanks.. website pala yun.. haha.. silly me.. mukhang guitar port nalang kukunin ko.. sana ok din yun..
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 13, 2010, 10:18:25 AM
yupanks = Yupangco (yupangco.com)

http://www.yupangco.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_catalogue.tpl&product_id=727&category_id=57&manufacturer_id=8&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=53
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: dualdeath on September 14, 2010, 08:39:54 PM
kakabili ko lang kanina.. tnry ko.. ganda.. thanks sir..  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 15, 2010, 10:28:50 AM
Good for you! Enjoy your new toy!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: morphine on September 23, 2010, 08:48:59 AM
sir kit would it be better to mic an amp or to skip it in recording?
im planning to get a multi w/ usb interface and not sure if its worth
the money.....should i buy a multi w/o usb interface and mic my 30watt amp
or go direct in?

what multi would you suggest?
done my research and im torn b/w the boss me25, digitech  rp355 and zoom g2nu

thanks
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 23, 2010, 11:26:31 AM
2 possible schools of thought, one is to mic the amp since some prefer that sound while others choose to record a clean tone and 're-amp' with either an amp sim or pass the guitar signal to a another amp whose sound they prefer.

There is a third option, and that is to do both. We sometimes do this if we like to keep our options open when it comes to guitar tone while at the same time preserving the performance at the time of recording. If there's one thing you don't like to miss, it's the perfect performance regardless of the tone since if you capture the clean tone, you can always re-amp later.

As for the multi, I guess you'll have to decide which one you like better in terms of sound.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on September 23, 2010, 03:32:02 PM
sir kit would it be better to mic an amp or to skip it in recording?
im planning to get a multi w/ usb interface and not sure if its worth
the money.....should i buy a multi w/o usb interface and mic my 30watt amp
or go direct in?

what multi would you suggest?
done my research and im torn b/w the boss me25, digitech  rp355 and zoom g2nu

thanks
Kung gusto ninyo ng masmura and masportable magmulti nalang kayo sir na may amp sim. Check nyo eto mga recordings ko using Line6 POD:
www.soundclick.com/xelly (http://www.soundclick.com/xelly)
Eto lang setup ko sir:
guitar >> line6POD >> laptop
:-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: morphine on September 24, 2010, 12:32:11 AM
anung pod gamit mo bro?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on September 24, 2010, 06:08:48 PM
anung pod gamit mo bro?
Nag-umpisa ako sa PodXTlive to PodXT the ngayon X3live sir. Solve na solve ako!! :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: hellven on October 01, 2010, 01:17:49 PM
sir anu po bang software ang pwede kong gamitin. pag magrerecord ng gitara..

may nagsabe sakin adobe audition daw kaso wla akong makitang freedownload?? tnx
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 02, 2010, 01:50:04 PM
Adobe audition is not free. Look for audacity instead.

Some multifx come with software such as guitar tracks pro.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ptl161 on October 09, 2010, 02:57:59 PM
thank you very much!!!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: bahaw on October 19, 2010, 08:17:01 PM
any feedback on Cakewalk V-studios like the one below:

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Cakewalk-VStudio-100-Recording-Package-B?sku=583981
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 20, 2010, 09:20:44 AM
Saw this being demoed at Yupanks a few months back. I must say I was impressed. I liked the fact that you could use the Vstudio 100 standalone.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: cky on November 01, 2010, 09:18:15 PM
okay so naayos ko na yung problema ko sa presonus regarding the thing that says "audio input is not activated" i just installed the new drivers for the audiobox...may bago naman akong problema ngayon... :|

hindi ko mapalabas na stereo yung input ko...it's not an issue of the panning effect of my pedals nor the jack that's plugged in to my interface or guitar..why? cos i've done it before with same setup only it was stereo...i remember i configured something in the "audio hardware setup" before that says 1S and 2S...now it's just 1S and the other one, 1M... :oops:

the weird thing was, may nagawa akong something kung saan lumipat naman yung pagiging 1-part stereo nya sa right...dati kasi nasa left then i'm just testing out some shiz dun sa audio hardware setup na yun...then baamm sound input comes in to the right which used to come in to the left channel of the stereo track... :|

i'm using adobe audition, by the way...hindi nako makarecord dahil nauubos oras at pasensya ko sa pagcconfigure...i know that my patience is long and strong but this is just getting on my nerves...i'd like to think that my excitement is a factor...so help me figure this out...cos im excited... :lol: thanks
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 02, 2010, 10:18:34 AM
What presonus is this?

Chances are, S=stereo and M=mono. Most semi pro gear use 1/4" inputs for their line in with maybe an XLR thrown in. I'm guessing that for stereo, you have to use 2 of the 1/4" inputs (or L/R RCA in some cases) that are assigned to 'channel 1'. The 1S/1M setting just configures the input channel for stereo or mono operation.

If things befuddle you at first, just step back and take a breather. It helps to break open the manual if the interface isn't as intuitive as it seems. (You should try the Emu interfaces... their patchmix can be daunting; almost a vertical learning curve.)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Jason on November 08, 2010, 08:35:29 AM
Sir kitC makikisingit lang po... Will this setup work? Guitar -> G1X -> Audio cable from G1X output to -> mic in Netbook? or should i get a DI box or external souncard instead? Thanks
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 08, 2010, 08:55:49 AM
@Jason - use the G1X's headphone/line out using a 1/4" to 1/8" stereo cable, and connect it to your laptop's LINE IN, not mic in, ok?

You can usually get a 1/8" to 1/8" stereo cable quite easily, just get a 1/8"-to-1/4" adapter so you can accommodate the G1X's line output.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Jason on November 08, 2010, 06:59:04 PM
@Jason - use the G1X's headphone/line out using a 1/4" to 1/8" stereo cable, and connect it to your laptop's LINE IN, not mic in, ok?

You can usually get a 1/8" to 1/8" stereo cable quite easily, just get a 1/8"-to-1/4" adapter so you can accommodate the G1X's line output.
whoah thanks sir for answering my queries. Unfortunately my netbook only accomodates 1 input (mic in) only.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on November 08, 2010, 08:05:41 PM
whoah thanks sir for answering my queries. Unfortunately my netbook only accomodates 1 input (mic in) only.
+1
Paano yun sir kung mic in lang? Balak sana magrecord ng mga simpleng tracks ng friend ko kaso mic-in lang meron yung laptop niya.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 09, 2010, 09:18:34 AM
Paano yun sir kung mic in lang? Balak sana magrecord ng mga simpleng tracks ng friend ko kaso mic-in lang meron yung laptop niya.

Check in the audio control panel or mixer applet if the input is switchable between mic in and line in. Most newer mobos and laptops have configurable I/O or automatic sensing inputs.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on November 09, 2010, 07:55:02 PM
Check in the audio control panel or mixer applet if the input is switchable between mic in and line in. Most newer mobos and laptops have configurable I/O or automatic sensing inputs.
Ah gets!!! Ok sir ayus!!! :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on November 10, 2010, 09:36:49 PM
Sir Kit ok lang ba na gumamit ng 7200rpm na SATA na external hardisk for recording?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 11, 2010, 09:30:08 AM
Sir Kit ok lang ba na gumamit ng 7200rpm na SATA na external hardisk for recording?

Depends on the bus protocol you are using to pass data to the hard disk.

If you are using a USB2 enclosure, I don't recommend it, but the newer USB3.0 bus looks extremely promising. A very mature interface/enclosure is firewire, with firewire 800 giving you more track capability; firewire 400 can still hold it's own but I've read of some restrictions on number of tracks during recording. If the enclosure does eSATA, then it's like having the HD connected internally to the computer's pcie bus, which is very fast and excellent for recording.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Jason on November 12, 2010, 04:24:00 PM
Check in the audio control panel or mixer applet if the input is switchable between mic in and line in. Most newer mobos and laptops have configurable I/O or automatic sensing inputs.

galing ni sir kitC hindi lang pang recording pcng hardwares din :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: rrmode1 on November 17, 2010, 10:58:47 AM
Hey everyone. I plan to at least have a decent home recording set-up, and I found some tips on the internet. Anyway, gagana ba ng okay ang ganitong set-up?

Mixer + Mic Preamp + Audio Interface  --> A decent laptop for recording

Siyempre may monitors din sa equation.


Anyway, I'm looking at some of Behringer's mid level products for this project. Will that be okay? Thanks for any help!

 :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 17, 2010, 11:10:48 AM
There are 2 possible ways you can go about this: one is to get individual parts such as a mixer (some models have preamps already) and a separate interface for flexibility; or you could get a mixer with a built in audio interface such as the mackie (or phonic) usb or firewire mixers.

Each has his advantages and disadvantages. The former means having a lot of individual gear to power up along with the necessary cable interconnects, while the latter means only one piece of gear to lug around. The downside of the combined mixer/interface route is that if it goes down, then your recording setup is compromised.

What you should think about is how many inputs you will require then decide on the interface. Some audio interfaces now include mic preamps so that means one less piece of gear. Of course, the more inputs you require, the more expensive the interface.

One more thing... make sure your laptop (or pc) is up to the job. The requirements for audio are not as stringent for video, but you still need a relatively powerful laptop and sufficient RAM and HD space. Another thing is the amount of usb or firewire ports in the laptop. USB2 is the better choice for most interfaces, but some laptops don't have usb2 ports, so choose wisely. Also, don't forget that the DAW software determines what kind of computer you will use. No point in getting a windows based laptop if you intend to run Logic or Digital Performer on it.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: rrmode1 on November 17, 2010, 11:36:27 AM
There are 2 possible ways you can go about this: one is to get individual parts such as a mixer (some models have preamps already) and a separate interface for flexibility; or you could get a mixer with a built in audio interface such as the mackie (or phonic) usb or firewire mixers.

Each has his advantages and disadvantages. The former means having a lot of individual gear to power up along with the necessary cable interconnects, while the latter means only one piece of gear to lug around. The downside of the combined mixer/interface route is that if it goes down, then your recording setup is compromised.

What you should think about is how many inputs you will require then decide on the interface. Some audio interfaces now include mic preamps so that means one less piece of gear. Of course, the more inputs you require, the more expensive the interface.

One more thing... make sure your laptop (or pc) is up to the job. The requirements for audio are not as stringent for video, but you still need a relatively powerful laptop and sufficient RAM and HD space. Another thing is the amount of usb or firewire ports in the laptop. USB2 is the better choice for most interfaces, but some laptops don't have usb2 ports, so choose wisely. Also, don't forget that the DAW software determines what kind of computer you will use. No point in getting a windows based laptop if you intend to run Logic or Digital Performer on it.

Thanks! Ok ba ang behringer? or at least, decent?  :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 17, 2010, 12:24:05 PM
Thanks! Ok ba ang behringer? or at least, decent?  :-)

It's a mixed bag with Behringer. Sometimes they're great, sometimes they're lemons, often on the latter for most people. All I can say is... you get what you pay for.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: plitipiw40315 on December 29, 2010, 09:50:46 AM
ser kit tanong po ulit.. I've finally tried to record my drums using my konzert mixer connected to my laptop using audiacity at mejo satisfied naman po ako sa tunog, i used 1 generic mic as over head lang po..

my question is, pano ko po macoconvert yung audio file format na output ng audiacity to other file format like mp3??thanks ulit..  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 02, 2011, 04:09:16 PM
Audacity can write to wav. Check your recording/export settings.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: plitipiw40315 on January 03, 2011, 08:46:53 AM
Audacity can write to wav. Check your recording/export settings.

ok ser salamat ulit!!  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: peeves24 on January 04, 2011, 06:39:18 AM
my question is, pano ko po macoconvert yung audio file format na output ng audiacity to other file format like mp3??thanks ulit..  :-D

hanapin mo yung lame encoder binaries (dll lang yun) tapos copy sya sa audacity folder mo. magkakaron ka na ng option to export directly to mp3
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 04, 2011, 09:14:56 AM
hanapin mo yung lame encoder binaries (dll lang yun) tapos copy sya sa audacity folder mo. magkakaron ka na ng option to export directly to mp3

Good one, peeves! Haven't tried that myself. Then again, I use Sonar and Razorlame.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: erniepaj on January 11, 2011, 09:04:50 PM
whoah thanks sir for answering my queries. Unfortunately my netbook only accomodates 1 input (mic in) only.

@jason, tried this myself, kaya yan kung me line-in ang soundcard. taasan mo lang yung settings mo sa G1x, tweak a patch to your liking then try hearing through a headset before recording

sabit lang talaga ang G1x pag narecord mo na kasi matalim masyado ang tunog lalo na pag direct in line, and malayo sa organic sound ng amp.

kung wla ka line in, i use the behringer UCA202 and it works.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: erniepaj on January 11, 2011, 09:13:38 PM
Dear sir KitC:

Please help me understand how to make my Amplitube 3 work.

I have plugged in my guitar through USB interface Behringer UCA202, opened up Amplitube and still I am getting a clean tone. I tried tweaking the MIDI settings but to no avail.

Tried googling and finding resources through youtube but it seems noone can explain to me whats wrong.

Regards,
erniepaj
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: erniepaj on January 12, 2011, 04:44:15 AM
eto po not connected daw..
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c292/erniepaj/amplt.jpg)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 12, 2011, 01:35:37 PM
You have to assign inputs from within asio4all. I think the relevant input should have a check mark or something - can't exactly remember since I have no need for asio4all at this time. Looking at the asio4all website, the active I/O are in blue. Clicking on the button should toggle an input or output on or off. Choose the UCA as one of the inputs. (Isn't the UCA a line input device? Plugging your guitar directly to it will give you a rather anemic tone.)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: erniepaj on January 12, 2011, 06:17:24 PM
You have to assign inputs from within asio4all. I think the relevant input should have a check mark or something - can't exactly remember since I have no need for asio4all at this time. Looking at the asio4all website, the active I/O are in blue. Clicking on the button should toggle an input or output on or off. Choose the UCA as one of the inputs. (Isn't the UCA a line input device? Plugging your guitar directly to it will give you a rather anemic tone.)

hi kitC thanks.
UCA has a USB connection to PC and two RCA ports I used to plug into a splitter that goes to the output of Zoom G1x.
I want to get rid of G1x so is it proper to replace a mixer on that part, where the axe is plugged.

i get a clean signal though when i plug my guitar to UCA202 then to USB port of my pc.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 13, 2011, 10:08:12 AM
i get a clean signal though when i plug my guitar to UCA202 then to USB port of my pc.

Yes the signal is clean, but it is not optimzed for the proper impedance, which will often rob your tone of body as well as gain. Cranking up the volume often will lead to nasty feedback surprises where they aren't needed.

The best course of action is to use the G1x in bypass and connect it's line/headphone out to the UCA's RCA inputs. This will ensure proper impedance matching from guitar to UCA. You can also use an inexpensive preamp like those of the ART Studio series or Behri MIC200 to connect the guitar to the UCA.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: erniepaj on January 13, 2011, 01:33:45 PM
Yes the signal is clean, but it is not optimzed for the proper impedance, which will often rob your tone of body as well as gain. Cranking up the volume often will lead to nasty feedback surprises where they aren't needed.

The best course of action is to use the G1x in bypass and connect it's line/headphone out to the UCA's RCA inputs. This will ensure proper impedance matching from guitar to UCA. You can also use an inexpensive preamp like those of the ART Studio series or Behri MIC200 to connect the guitar to the UCA.

thanks. will try bypass mode first. got an idea how much a behringer M IC200 will cost?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: erniepaj on January 15, 2011, 08:04:23 AM
thanks. will try bypass mode first. got an idea how much a behringer M IC200 will cost?

hi kitC, i tried from axe to amp direct to direct line-in... i sampled a recording, and i want to get rid of some noise. can i ask you to analyze how to get rid of the the noise? it is mostly scratches i hear i dunno if those are the connecting cables.

never mind the playing... im lousy at it....

http://www.supload.com/listen?s=aZjPWy

         
thanks.

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 17, 2011, 09:43:21 AM
I hear amp noise which could be due to your single coil pups located near a source of electrical noise such as a flourescent lamp or your monitor, if it's a CRT. If using a CRT, try turning it off during recording. Also try to rotate 90 degrees from your present recording position and see if that helps.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: erniepaj on January 17, 2011, 12:08:30 PM
I hear amp noise which could be due to your single coil pups located near a source of electrical noise such as a flourescent lamp or your monitor, if it's a CRT. If using a CRT, try turning it off during recording. Also try to rotate 90 degrees from your present recording position and see if that helps.

could be the small lamp in front of me, mate. its LCD monitor so i doubt its the screen. thanks - will try that though.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ogagka0606 on January 26, 2011, 12:55:50 AM
tanong ko lang, paano ko mababawasan yung noise sa condenser mic? nagttry kasi ako magrecord sa room ko, gamit ko tapco link usb at cad gxl2200, may parang "hiss" lagi kahit wala namang ingay?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 26, 2011, 08:32:57 AM
bring up the gain on the mic first. set the channel fader to unity gain (0 dB) then adjust the trim knob (or preamp gain) for the best/loudest signal at the least noise. try to avoid adjusting fader levels above 0 dB.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: deathrose23 on January 27, 2011, 12:26:00 PM
sir kitc, ask ko lang, pano po ba matangal yun delay ng sound mula guitar ko papunta sa speaker ng
laptop, gamit ko behringer UCG102. If sa ucg102 ko na lang po ipuplug yun speaker mas mababawasan po
ba un delay tsaka mgagamit ko yun mga built-in fx nun record software ko?  Mixcraft po gamit ko software. tnx.. :-D

eto po set-up ko:
(http://www.filejumbo.com/Download/909A8D59C370211A)

http://img89.imageshack.us/i/ucg102.jpg/
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 27, 2011, 04:56:03 PM
Plug your speakers/headphones to the UCG and monitor from there. You might experience latency (or delay) if you record with fx on. Just record dry and add fx during mixing.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: vinz on February 08, 2011, 12:47:22 PM
@ Sir Kit:

im trying to record some stuff at home, one problem is pag nagrerecord ako nag jajump jump yung playback parang sirang CD hehe (which is the first recorded audio) tapos pag nagrecord na ko ng bagong audio hindi na sila pag sabay ko plinay-back? is this has something to do with latency? im using acoustica btw for home use lang. core3 nga pala pc ko tapos onboard audio lang. yung gamit ko nga pala is a Zoom B2.1u tapos sa USB ang out at playback ko.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 08, 2011, 02:06:04 PM
vinz, ease back on the latency settings in the B2's control panel until you get good playback. what is your OS, btw?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: vinz on February 09, 2011, 02:06:35 PM
vinz, ease back on the latency settings in the B2's control panel until you get good playback. what is your OS, btw?

copy sir, btw Win 7 ang OS ko.  :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: enitnelav on February 18, 2011, 09:29:42 PM
hi, noob here, trying to record some guitar tracks. im having a bit of a problem with this annoying buzzing sound. im using a strat copy thru a multifx to the pc's line in. i've already tried connecting the multi to diff power points, changing the cables, turning off/unplugging everything except the pc/multi (ang dilim na nga dito eh), and using the multi's noise gate and filter/limiter/gate plugins, pero ganun pa rin. i've even considered having the guitar checked for grounding problem but when i plug it into an amp or connect earphones straight to the multi, okey naman. lumalabas lang talaga siya pag connected yung guitar sa pc. i can only eliminate it when i turn the tone knob on my guitar to zero, adn record at a very soft volume. of course, doing this, halos wala nakong marinig. any suggestions? thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: peeves24 on February 19, 2011, 08:58:46 AM
builtin sound cards are noisy...buy a better interface
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: enitnelav on February 19, 2011, 09:07:32 AM
but the noise isnt present when i connect other things (keyboard, etc) to the line in. also when i connect the guitar to other things. just when the two are connected.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 20, 2011, 11:56:24 AM
Are you using an ordinary power adapter with the multi instead of the power adapter that was originally supplied with it?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: enitnelav on February 20, 2011, 12:42:13 PM
yep. is it something to do w/ the amperage or something?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 21, 2011, 09:10:32 AM
Nope. Cheap power adapters often use half wave rectification plus are very poor in filtering out noise from our power lines. Either modify the adapter to full wave or use the standard recommended power adapter. If the multi can be powered by batteries, use that option during recording.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: JMedders on February 26, 2011, 02:53:47 PM
Your interface cable could be a possibility, try using another one. And a good quality surge suppressor could also help. You can also try to use a UPS disconnected from the mains to power up your gears to check if it eliminate the noise. I am not sure on this one but you can also try to check the impedance coupling of your guitar and your multi equiptment.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jepoy_esp on March 11, 2011, 02:47:36 PM
anyone here know where to buy a pci midi port? and how much?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jepoy_esp on March 11, 2011, 08:42:13 PM
I'm Looking for Edirol PCR-M30/ Edirol PCR-M80, kung meron po kayo alam please message me, Thanks!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 14, 2011, 04:20:34 PM
anyone here know where to buy a pci midi port? and how much?

That would be the old mpu-401 interface. Better to get a usb midi interface.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: karlwilson on March 14, 2011, 04:27:59 PM
i've been planning of  having a recording gears on my studio..this thread would really help a lot.  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 15, 2011, 08:09:05 AM
i've been planning of  having a recording gears on my studio..this thread would really help a lot.  :-D

This, and the other stickie about "What Do You Want To Learn About Recording" (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,20049.0.html).
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: markezekiel on March 16, 2011, 02:14:13 PM
sir kitC hingi sana ko ng tulong in recording using my boss gt-10's USB connection...

im using Audacity.

gusto ko lng po malaman ung mga settings na dapat i tweak sa pc ko para makapag record na ko using usb connection. i mean the levels, dB and the settings...

hoping for your possitive reply sir...

thanks.

more power philmusic!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 18, 2011, 09:18:38 AM
gusto ko lng po malaman ung mga settings na dapat i tweak sa pc ko para makapag record na ko using usb connection. i mean the levels, dB and the settings...

I can't give you settings on levels because I don't know enough about your recording chain.

What YOU should do is this...

Set things up so that you are monitoring your input signal. It does mean that you are hearing what you are physically recording. It will require that a) the GT10 has an audio 'return' from the computer so that you can hear the levels going into audacity, or... failing that, you can hear a realtime output from another soundcard.

I'm not familiar with the GT10 but I expect some routing difficulties trying to do a realtime monitor from the computer/software output. To do that, you will have to set audacity so that the GT10 is the input and output audio device. If you can monitor your playing while recording, without hearing ANY latency, then you can properly record. This is VASTLY different from hearing the GT10's direct output since you would want to determine if the signal is distorting before going into the computer, which is something you would want to avoid.

Supposing you have a proper monitoring setup, the rule of thumb is to get the loudest possible signal into your computer without distorting the input converters or ADC, as we like to call it. Try to do a run through of your recording and listen to the loudest portions. Distorting the input almost sounds like bad transistor distortion. If you do hear distortion, before the next take, reduce your input levels by a few dB, taking note of the loudest part of the song. Play that part while adjusting levels until the distortion goes away. Once that is done, record to your heart's content.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jinlucero on March 18, 2011, 11:27:18 PM
sir ano po ba ung the best na soundcard para sa sonar cakewalk? nagbabalak po kasi ako bumili ng desktop. thanks. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 19, 2011, 10:11:34 AM
sir ano po ba ung the best na soundcard para sa sonar cakewalk? nagbabalak po kasi ako bumili ng desktop. thanks. :mrgreen:

Any soundcard will work with Sonar, even the built-in audio in your computer. The caveat with built-in, however, is that it is often prone to high latencies even when using asio4all. Your best best would be to get a separate soundcard, either internal pci/pcie or a usb/firewire audio interface. I used to start out with soundblasters but moved on to higher performance cards when my ears noticed that the 'blasters were... "noisy".

You can try the various M-audio offerings at JB; Yupangco no carries Roland audio interfaces that are matched well with Sonar.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jinlucero on March 22, 2011, 01:07:38 PM
Any soundcard will work with Sonar, even the built-in audio in your computer. The caveat with built-in, however, is that it is often prone to high latencies even when using asio4all. Your best best would be to get a separate soundcard, either internal pci/pcie or a usb/firewire audio interface. I used to start out with soundblasters but moved on to higher performance cards when my ears noticed that the 'blasters were... "noisy".

You can try the various M-audio offerings at JB; Yupangco no carries Roland audio interfaces that are matched well with Sonar.

Thank you sir :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: pualux on March 23, 2011, 02:47:46 AM
mga boss ano marerecommend niyo bilhin ko for home recording lang, baka kasi may bago this 2011 eh...


baguhan lang ako sa recording stuff and so far sa mga nakikita ko m-audio fast track yung maganda pero i could be wrong since noob ako dito hehe

I'm running a laptop lang na windows 7 32bit, it's capable of playing games so yung ram and processing power ins't really an issue I guess...

yung gusto ko po kasi mangyari direct guitar recording lang then gamit ng modelling software sa computer for effects/amps.....I've read na kailangan ng recording software na pwede gumamit ng vst plugins like guitar rig ? tama ba? anyway may cost efficient way ba kayo marerecommend? nakita ko din kasi yung pod studio stuff pero parang outdated na yata? tsaka wala na'ko makitang ganun sa yamaha/PP

thanks boss!

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 23, 2011, 10:08:08 AM
nakita ko din kasi yung pod studio stuff pero parang outdated na yata? tsaka wala na'ko makitang ganun sa yamaha/PP

Inquire with yupanks about their Line6 Pod usb interfaces esp. if guitar recording is all you are interested in. You might want to look at the Line6 interfaces that include mic preamps (Pod X3) should you decide to mic up an amp in the future (just make sure you have understanding family members and neighbors).

I'm not sure if the Pod includes recording software, but try considering Reaper. At $69, it's very inexpensive plus you get a full featured DAW.

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: rrmode1 on March 26, 2011, 07:20:39 AM
I have a roland vs-100. What more do I need to record a full 4-piece band? :lol:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 26, 2011, 10:49:14 AM
I have a roland vs-100. What more do I need to record a full 4-piece band? :lol:

The VS100 only has 2 mic preamps so...

what more will you need? off the top of my head, you will require:

2 to 4 more mic preamps (assuming a 4 mic drum setup plus 2 mics for lead and backup vox), or OCTACAPTURE as Roland tempts you with
2 to 6 mics and cables to go with those mics and preamps
DI boxes for guitars plus associated cabling (XLR/TRS)
a slew of TR/TRS cables
heaphones for everyone and a headphone distribution amp
and finally, a good room to record in.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on April 07, 2011, 12:52:21 AM
^^ Saan ba sir nakakabili ng cable na TRS to XLR?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: cky on April 07, 2011, 10:14:35 PM
hindi ko madetermine kung san galing yung hiss na to...

http://soundcloud.com/ckyanacky/what-the-hiss
(listen to it using earphones/headphones)

pag nakadirecta ako wala naman ganyan...pag nagrerecord or pinapakinggan ko yung ginagawa ko wala naman ganyan...pag nakarecord na at nagplayback, ayan ang resulta...

power supply? grounding? patch/guitar/amp cables? faulty pedals?  :? :|


baka naencounter nyo na yang ganyang tunog dati, patulong naman...  :oops:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: powghi on May 05, 2011, 05:48:18 AM
Mge sir, pa help naman po. . . Balak ko po sana mag home recording.
Specs:
 Athlon II x2 250
 gigabyte 780g
 2gb ddr2 800
 hd4670
 win7
but then i get a delayed sound using my onboard sound card in mixcraft 5.2 and amplitube 3
balak ko po sana i dispose na lang yung videocard para makabili ng soundcard. other than that ano pa po bang hardware o software needed for home recordin? tsaka whats best soundcard for my pc using mixcraft and amplitube TIA!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 05, 2011, 08:33:47 AM
hindi ko madetermine kung san galing yung hiss na to...

I recall answering this post... strange.

Sounds like you're using single coil pups. Either change the orientation of your playing or check your cables. Are you using a CRT?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: cky on May 05, 2011, 09:04:50 AM
I recall answering this post... strange.

Sounds like you're using single coil pups. Either change the orientation of your playing or check your cables. Are you using a CRT?

baka paulit-ulit lang kasi yung tanong ko  :lol: i'm sorry, seems like everyday a different issue pops out of the box... :-D

sorry sir, what's a CRT? sorry noob :-)

i'm using a humbucker equipped hollowbody (bridge pickup, rolled all the way up, amp eq between 1-2 o'clock bass, treble, mid, mic'd with an "SM57 beta"), but i don't think the problem's from the guitar anyway; as i said, kasi pag directa wala naman hiss...
cables are somehow fine. checked them one by one (even the patch cables) guitar>interface, guitar>amp, guitar>effects>amp, guitar>effects>board...lumalabas yung ingay pag dumaan na ako sa pedals and/or amp... :|

i suspect therefore that the problem lies in the grounding of the house...pero hindi ko alam solusyonan... :| yep i already backread, pero puro semento kasi yung paligid ko kaya hindi ko din matusukan ng grounding rod or something.... :oops:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 05, 2011, 03:36:58 PM
CRT - Cathode Ray Tube; the older type of monitors that aren't LCD.

The noise I'm hearing is definitely electrical. Aside from the CRT, look for other sources such as fluorescent lights, transformers and proximity to TVs. If your audio cables are running parallel with electrical wires, try to separate them by 1 meter and if ever they must cross, always do at a 90 degree angle to each other.

With your cables, check the jacks... they may be a bit dirty. Try cleaning them with alcohol or lighter fluid.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: cky on May 05, 2011, 07:08:58 PM
CRT - Cathode Ray Tube; the older type of monitors that aren't LCD.

The noise I'm hearing is definitely electrical. Aside from the CRT, look for other sources such as fluorescent lights, transformers and proximity to TVs. If your audio cables are running parallel with electrical wires, try to separate them by 1 meter and if ever they must cross, always do at a 90 degree angle to each other.

With your cables, check the jacks... they may be a bit dirty. Try cleaning them with alcohol or lighter fluid.

will do sir, thanks!...

by the way, i'm using a laptop to record..oldskool laptop but of course it's lcd...hehe

so what you are trying to say sir is that, basically, all electrical devices, especially those plugged in the same outlet as my amp/board are the culprits, in addition to the crossed wires and all that stuff....

well isang malaking problema ko e maliit lang apartment ko and i only have one outlet with 2 female plugs, one is unused and the other is plugged with a 5-outlet switchable extension (fused)...the extension is loaded with another extension cord, electronic thing that wards of rats, amp, and 2 are free...so yep there's a big possibility that any of those is causing the unwanted noise in the output...i'll see what i can do  :-D

so goodluck nalang sakin...hehe
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 06, 2011, 08:20:56 AM
Since you're using a laptop, try recording on batteries only. Laptop power supplies (the power bricks) are notoriously noisy electrical-wise.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: cky on May 06, 2011, 05:11:59 PM
Since you're using a laptop, try recording on batteries only. Laptop power supplies (the power bricks) are notoriously noisy electrical-wise.

might just try using another laptop...my primitive machine won't actually work without the powersupply.. :-D


anyway thanks again sir...will keep you posted if ever there's a development... :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on May 08, 2011, 12:15:37 AM
Since you're using a laptop, try recording on batteries only. Laptop power supplies (the power bricks) are notoriously noisy electrical-wise.
Sir what do you mean by "power bricks"?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 09, 2011, 10:20:37 AM
They're called power bricks because they look like there's a black brick along the power cord. Others call them 'lump-in-the-line'. The other variation is the adapter type which they call 'wall warts' because of the way they look like when plugged into a wall socket.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on May 10, 2011, 12:47:10 PM
So kung notoriously noisy yung mga "power bricks" eh yung laptop ko and audio interface ko sir is "power bricks" yung psu nila edi maingay talaga yun tama ba? May naririnig akong super konting fizz sa audio interface ko pero nawawala na kapag may kasabay nang audio eh.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 11, 2011, 09:49:15 AM
The fizz will always be there and will especially become prominent if you add compression to the track or normalize to a higher db level. I normally do not like using noise reduction software in these instances since it usually affects the recorded sound if done improperly. Like I said earlier, try recording while using batteries.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on May 11, 2011, 10:15:47 AM
^^ Thanks sir Kit!!  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ston3d_j on May 23, 2011, 01:54:57 AM
Hi Sirs,

I am currently setting up a small home recording studio.  Not high end ones but some sort of making my own songs.  i have an ext m-audio fast track pro and i like the sound of my guitar coming off my amplifier.  However, my problem is my m-audio nova is not picking up that chunk/fat guitar sound coming off my amp thru the condenser microphone.  same thing goes when i record my bass tracks.  is a condenser microphone good enough to pick up the sound or a dynamic microphone is much better?  i've read reviews that m-audio nova works best for vocals, percussions and acoustic guitar.  darn, this home recording stuff is pretty pricey! haha! anyways, i hope you could help me out on this one.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 23, 2011, 08:16:51 AM
You should be able to capture sufficient bass frequencies since the nova has a relatively larger diaphragm than most mics. It sometimes is a matter of placement. You might have to move the mic around until you hit the sweet spot.

Sometimes that fat guitar sound is obtained by double tracking. I've heard of a particular technique where the upper 3 strings were first recorded followed by the lower 3 strings on another track. Each track was then eq'd to taste.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on May 23, 2011, 11:13:28 AM
You should be able to capture sufficient bass frequencies since the nova has a relatively larger diaphragm than most mics. It sometimes is a matter of placement. You might have to move the mic around until you hit the sweet spot.

Sometimes that fat guitar sound is obtained by double tracking. I've heard of a particular technique where the upper 3 strings were first recorded followed by the lower 3 strings on another track. Each track was then eq'd to taste.
Nice!!! Ok na ok yung technique na yan lalu na kung acoustic lang. Like Vocals and acoustic guitar lang yung isang song. :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: 123kidd on May 23, 2011, 11:53:56 AM
Mga sir pautulong naman po, merun po akong Presonus Firestudio, 2 channels lang po na rerecord nya? Im using Cubase po sir, and i tried everything sir, 2 channels lang po tlga ang kaya, sa firewire card po kaya ang problema? or sa chipset ko? my os po is windows 7, should i try po ba sa windows xp? any comment po ay sobra ko pong maapreciate.. salamat po ng madami. God bless po sa lahat
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 23, 2011, 12:02:36 PM
I don't have LE4 but did you check your VST Connections and device setup? Aside from enabling inputs and outputs, you have to make them 'visible' in older incarnations of Cubase.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: 123kidd on May 23, 2011, 08:09:49 PM
Yes sir i made them visible, still 2 inputs lang po narerecord, hmmm sa pc po kaya problema sir? salamat po ulit ng madami sir
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 24, 2011, 03:35:18 PM
Can you post a screenshot of vst connections and device setup?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: 123kidd on May 24, 2011, 05:59:06 PM
Sure sir .

Device Set up http://www.flickr.com/photos/63212474@N03/5753863631/
Vst Connections http://www.flickr.com/photos/63212474@N03/5753863791/

Thanks po ullit ng madami sir, God bless you po
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 25, 2011, 08:48:59 AM
How about the firestudio's control panel? The vst connections look ok but i feel something's missing.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: 123kidd on May 26, 2011, 09:31:00 PM
Hello sir KitC, thanks po, mukang ok na po yung interface ko, na try ko po sa ibang DAW, ok po sya. Salamat po ulit at God bless po
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on May 27, 2011, 04:23:31 PM
hi guys, need you help.

i have a sonar 8 producer edition installed to a win XP desktop. but once i run the program my pc crashes. I am planning to equip it with the Creative Sound Blaster 5.1 VX PCI Card and a PV.6 mixer so that i can control it.. Will the new sound card get rid of the issue? thanks
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on May 27, 2011, 04:33:04 PM
hi guys, need you help.

i have a sonar 8 producer edition installed to a win XP desktop. but once i run the program my pc crashes. I am planning to equip it with the Creative Sound Blaster 5.1 VX PCI Card and a PV.6 mixer so that i can control it.. Will the new sound card get rid of the issue? thanks

I doubt if it's an issue on the soundcard.  We'll probably need more details so we can isolate the problem.

Are you using XP 64 bit?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on May 27, 2011, 08:37:52 PM
its running on 32 bit bro, any suggestions to what will i need to upgrade?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 28, 2011, 12:15:48 PM
hi guys, need you help.

i have a sonar 8 producer edition installed to a win XP desktop. but once i run the program my pc crashes

This is usually a driver problem often related to your onboard sound. First try updating your audio drivers. Next try asio4all. If that doesn't work, then a new soundcard is in order.

While I've used blasters early on, I can tell you that getting a better audio card would mean less issues with recording. Not to say that blasters aren't capable since most early DAW software were designed for them during the dawn of the industry, it would be better if you invest in something more suited to recording, which includes drivers capable of low latencies.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jazzer182001 on May 29, 2011, 08:59:17 AM
thanks sir kit 2 ur wonderful n gracious tips, so if i decide to have protools as my software, i compulsary upgrade my processor from P4 to Core Duo? (base on what i read sa forum na ito, whewww....!! ang haba nga eh way back 2006..enjoy naman) and what soundcard do you prefer for PT.




wanna set up home recording studio? pag me budget ka 20 k pwede na! oll u need at least p4 computer dual monitor. marami mabibili sa quiapo 6k lng, bili ka avi usb producers microphone pro with pro tools package..6k lng taz bili ka beringer pro headphone 6 k din! ung 2k magcheck in ka sa may sound proof room na hotel ayus na ang recording project sa album mo! wag kau niwala sa maraming set up set up na yan! nasa tenga at creativity lang yan! mas maganda pa latest tech enhanced audio quality! un na un! musical arrange ment ba kelangan u? download u banbd in a box dun u gawin ang arrangent then revoice it with yamaha midi enhancer. tapos na. la kang binayaran


Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on May 29, 2011, 11:42:10 AM
^^ Bro thanks for your advice. Pero bawal text spelling dito bro. :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: allrock on June 02, 2011, 12:55:55 PM
tanung lang po anu po magandang mixer yung maliit lang po kasya 6 mic compatible sa behringer uca 202? Or suggest kayo ibang usb audio yung muhra lang thnks
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: allrock on June 04, 2011, 09:39:37 PM
pahelp naman anu ba kailangan ko kse gusto ko magrecord ng vocals at may sasabayan lang akong minus 1 anu ba kailangan ko sa set up na to for recording?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: pualux on June 07, 2011, 02:48:03 AM
do you think it would be worth the money if I get a macbook pro for audio recording?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 07, 2011, 09:32:54 AM
pahelp naman anu ba kailangan ko kse gusto ko magrecord ng vocals at may sasabayan lang akong minus 1 anu ba kailangan ko sa set up na to for recording?

Mixer is only part of the overall requirements. What you need depends on what you want to record. If it's only yourself, you can get by with a simple interface and no mixer. If you have several instruments that you want to record, then you can use an interface plus mixer or one of those firewire mixers (provided your pc has firewire). If recording a full band, then the equipment list get substantially more expensive.

do you think it would be worth the money if I get a macbook pro for audio recording?

Generally speaking, you can't go very wrong when using a mac, unless your DAW is pc only.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: pualux on June 07, 2011, 10:52:26 AM

Generally speaking, you can't go very wrong when using a mac, unless your DAW is pc only.

so if ever I get through with it, what interface and DAW should I use?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on June 07, 2011, 11:34:37 AM
do you think it would be worth the money if I get a macbook pro for audio recording?

If you have the money go for Macbook pro.

Nasa preference pa rin iyan.  You still won't go wrong with Windows based laptops.  Also it's more affordable.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 07, 2011, 11:44:37 AM
so if ever I get through with it, what interface and DAW should I use?

Macs usually have garageband if you get the complete iLife option I think, but Logic is a far better DAW for Macs, IMO. It IS expensive to get the full Logic install, you might want to try Logic express but at 10k or something, I would rather save up for the full Logic.

An alternative is to get Pro Tools. The newest version is native, which means you can use any hardware with PT. For audio, PT is a battle-tested solution. For composing, Logic is the better choice on the mac platform.

You still won't go wrong with Windows based laptops.  Also it's more affordable.

Agreed. But the better way to approach this is to "let the software decide what platform you will use".

Obviously, if your main DAW of choice is Logic, then you have no choice but to go mac. But if you use Cubase/Nuendo, Sonar, Live, etc., going windows is just as good, and you may even get a machine that is faster. For me, mac pricing can be ridiculous at times, but what you really pay for is platform stability... it just works. Personally, I prefer the tweakability of the windows platform.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: IamChainess on June 07, 2011, 12:11:43 PM
Mga Sir, hihingi lang po ng advice/recommendations. i'm just a newbie in home recording
nagpaplano kasi ako mag setup ng home recording para sa acoustic. questions lang po:

1. Pwede bang guitar>effects>amp>laptop>software? hindi ba bibigay ang laptop ko?

2. What mic can you recommend for the voice recording?

3. What mic can you recommend for the drumbox/cajun recording? or pwedeng software po na magccreate ng cajun sound.

4. badly needed po ba ang mixer? kahit yung simple na mixer.

Yun lang po para sa noob na katulad ko. salamat  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on June 07, 2011, 12:22:47 PM
Mga Sir, hihingi lang po ng advice/recommendations. i'm just a newbie in home recording
nagpaplano kasi ako mag setup ng home recording para sa acoustic. questions lang po:

1. Pwede bang guitar>effects>amp>laptop>software? hindi ba bibigay ang laptop ko?

Amp should be mic'd.  Kung bibigay would depend on your laptop specs.

2. What mic can you recommend for the voice recording?

Kung di treated yung room, Shure SM57/58.

3. What mic can you recommend for the drumbox/cajun recording? or pwedeng software po na magccreate ng cajun sound.

SM57/58.  Puede software mag create ng drum/cajun sounds.

4. badly needed po ba ang mixer? kahit yung simple na mixer.

Puedeng wala.

Yun lang po para sa noob na katulad ko. salamat  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on June 07, 2011, 12:56:30 PM
1. Pwede bang guitar>effects>amp>laptop>software? hindi ba bibigay ang laptop ko?
Masklaro siguro kung ganito bro: guitar>>effects>>amp>>mic>>audio interface>>laptop>>software(DAW). Hindi bibigay laptop mo sir kahit Pentium4 pa yung model niyan basta may "solve" ka na audio interface like Line6 Ux1 or M-audio products.

2. What mic can you recommend for the voice recording?
Shure SM58 solve!! Mura, matibay, malinamnam tunog!! :-D

3. What mic can you recommend for the drumbox/cajun recording? or pwedeng software po na magccreate ng cajun sound.
SM57 naman!! Hehe!! Tapos masOk kung lalagyan mo ng kick mic yung sa butas for low frequencies tapos SM57 dun sa tap. :-D
Try mo FruityLoops for drumsounds software. :-)

4. badly needed po ba ang mixer? kahit yung simple na mixer.
In my experience bro hindi ako gumagamit ng mixer. Depende sa irerecord mo. Kung magrerecord ka ng cajun tapos dalawang mics gagamitin mo, masOK kung may mixer ka. :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on June 08, 2011, 08:36:23 PM
Sir Kit AMD o Intel? :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 09, 2011, 10:36:21 AM
Right now, Intel, pero AMD is also a good choice.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on June 09, 2011, 10:37:43 AM
Kung afford, Intel.  Kung di afford AMD.

Hehe.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: IamChainess on June 09, 2011, 01:24:27 PM
Masklaro siguro kung ganito bro: guitar>>effects>>amp>>mic>>audio interface>>laptop>>software(DAW). Hindi bibigay laptop mo sir kahit Pentium4 pa yung model niyan basta may "solve" ka na audio interface like Line6 Ux1 or M-audio products.

Sir pwede po pa suggest ng ok na audio interface pero swak sa budget :-D salamat po
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on June 09, 2011, 01:33:12 PM
Sir pwede po pa suggest ng ok na audio interface pero swak sa budget :-D salamat po

Magkano budget mo?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 09, 2011, 01:36:47 PM
Sir pwede po pa suggest ng ok na audio interface pero swak sa budget :-D salamat po

magkano budget? kung may 8k ka, pasok ka ata sa avid promo ng JB.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on June 09, 2011, 04:34:50 PM
AMD Phenom II X2 3.2ghz
4gb ddr3
500gb Sata III @ 7200rpm
18.5' LCD
Win7 Ultimate 64-bit
for 17k

Ayus na kaya perfomance niyan mga sir?

Tsaka mura na ba yan sa presyo niya? :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on June 09, 2011, 05:01:58 PM
Puede na yan!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: IamChainess on June 10, 2011, 08:04:16 AM
Magkano budget mo?

8-10k sana sir. wala pa din kasi ako masyadong idea sa pagpili sa mga audio interface.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on June 10, 2011, 08:55:35 AM
8-10k sana sir. wala pa din kasi ako masyadong idea sa pagpili sa mga audio interface.

Pasok na yan sa M-Audio Fast Track.  Meron sa JB Music.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: IamChainess on June 10, 2011, 12:19:44 PM
Pasok na yan sa M-Audio Fast Track.  Meron sa JB Music.

salamat sir =D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: pualux on June 12, 2011, 12:59:59 AM
@kitc and skin

thanks for the info,

I'll put your opinions to mind...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on June 13, 2011, 03:07:39 PM
Sir Kit ano pang ibang disadvantage ng Win7 32bit maliban sa 2.75gb lang ang kaya nitong basahing ram? Kailangan ba talaga 64bit iinstall kong os?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on June 13, 2011, 03:16:00 PM
Yun lang talaga difference.  Handling ng memory.

If you're going to use a software that's designed for 64 bit, you need an OS that is 64 bit.  Most 32 bit software would run on 64 bit OS.

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 13, 2011, 03:49:04 PM
Sir Kit ano pang ibang disadvantage ng Win7 32bit maliban sa 2.75gb lang ang kaya nitong basahing ram? Kailangan ba talaga 64bit iinstall kong os?

Unless you need access to greater than 4 gigs of ram, there isn't much benefit for most users. Video processing, however, is an exception.

Most 32 bit software would run on 64 bit OS.

There are cases where some software will NOT run in 64-bit OS, even when XP compatibility mode is on, although I have yet to use XP virtual machine on my system. Note that not all cpus support XP virtual machine. Some software will install but fail to run, while others won't install at all. Rule of thumb is that software that are 3 or more years old will not run in a 64-bit OS, unless they have a specific 64-bit version.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on June 14, 2011, 03:16:34 PM
Unless you need access to greater than 4 gigs of ram, there isn't much benefit for most users. Video processing, however, is an exception.

Sir Kit ang nababasa lang na ram ng 64-bit na Win7 OS is 3.75gb tama ba? Paano yung mga PC na may 8gb ram?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on June 14, 2011, 03:31:44 PM
^You mean 32 bit.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 14, 2011, 04:09:49 PM
Sir Kit ang nababasa lang na ram ng 64-bit na Win7 OS is 3.75gb tama ba? Paano yung mga PC na may 8gb ram?

64-bit OS can read up to 128 Gb of ram so 8 gigs is a piece of cake. Gerard's PC, for ex., has 12 gigs of ram which we plan to bump up to 24 gigs, which is the mobo limitation, btw, and not due to the OS.

32-bit OS can read up 3 gigs in a 4Gb setup, but usually defaults to 2 gigs in XP, unless you invoke the /3Gb switch. In this case, you install 4 gigs but the computer will only 'see' 3.2 gigs with the rest being reserved by the system. This IS an OS limitation in this case. Not sure how 32-bit Win7 behaves but I like to think that there's no need for the /3Gb switch.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on June 14, 2011, 04:09:49 PM
^You mean 32 bit.
64-bit sir. Yung nag-install ako ng 32-bit sa ang nakalagay sa ram is "4.00 GB (2.75 GB usable)" tapos yung nag-install ako ng 64-bit ang lumabas is "4.00 GB (3.75GB usable)". Hanggang 3.75 GB lang ba talaga kaya niya basahin o dahil hanggang 4 GB lang yung ram ko?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: 11aalleenn11 on June 15, 2011, 08:58:15 PM
I'm new here but I've been reading a lot of stuff in this forum since yesterday..

I'm asking for help from all the good people here..

I bought a M-Audio Producer USB Microphone and recorded using my laptop. But for some reason, there is always a "hissing" or "static" sound when we record. Here is a sample that I recorded as far as I could from the laptop...

http://soundcloud.com/joezerhuang/what-is-that-1/s-MzXO1

If you turn up the volume, you can hear the problem... Mind you that the engine of our neighbors can be heard but still the hissing is there.

Here is an actual recording:
MALE:
FEMALE:

I've been reading everything that I can to solve this issue but still, no luck...

Here are the specs of my laptop:

MS Windows 7 Ultimate 32-bit
Intel Core i3 330M  @ 2.13GHz
Ram 2.0GB Single-Channel DDR3 @ 532MHz
Motherboard CLEVO Co. E412X (CPU 1)
VIA High Definition Audio

Please help!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: 11aalleenn11 on June 15, 2011, 09:06:47 PM
By the way I'm using Windows Movie Maker and FL-Studio.

Another question:

What should I do if I want to record both Mic and Guitar at the same time? I'm not going to use some sophisticated effects so the clean and slightly eq'd sound is all I need. Do you think that zoom g2.1u is all I need?

What device should I buy so that I can use the USB Mic together with the Electric guitar and record at the same time?

THANKS!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on June 15, 2011, 11:59:55 PM
By the way I'm using Windows Movie Maker and FL-Studio.

Another question:

What should I do if I want to record both Mic and Guitar at the same time? I'm not going to use some sophisticated effects so the clean and slightly eq'd sound is all I need. Do you think that zoom g2.1u is all I need?

What device should I buy so that I can use the USB Mic together with the Electric guitar and record at the same time?

THANKS!

Use asio4all so you can use the usb mic and zoom g2.1u simultaneously.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: samuelfianza on June 16, 2011, 11:24:36 AM
Pwede bang gamitin 2 usb mics at the same time? separate track each.

planning to buy kasi eh

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 16, 2011, 11:36:20 AM
64-bit sir. Yung nag-install ako ng 32-bit sa ang nakalagay sa ram is "4.00 GB (2.75 GB usable)" tapos yung nag-install ako ng 64-bit ang lumabas is "4.00 GB (3.75GB usable)". Hanggang 3.75 GB lang ba talaga kaya niya basahin o dahil hanggang 4 GB lang yung ram ko?

That's because a certain portion of your installed ram is always reserved by the system. In this case, the 64-bit version utilizes more ram for your apps compared to 32-bit. In 32-bit XP for ex., 2.75 gb is about the max you can access without activating the PAE and /3GB switches (I don't think this applies to Win7 32-bit but I never did try it out).
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on June 16, 2011, 11:49:00 AM
That's because a certain portion of your installed ram is always reserved by the system. In this case, the 64-bit version utilizes more ram for your apps compared to 32-bit. In 32-bit XP for ex., 2.75 gb is about the max you can access without activating the PAE and /3GB switches (I don't think this applies to Win7 32-bit but I never did try it out).
So kung mag-upgrade ako to 6gb ram mga almost 6gb lang mababasa na ram ng Win7 64bit sir tama ba?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: 11aalleenn11 on June 16, 2011, 12:33:23 PM
Really need help guys :(
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on June 16, 2011, 01:02:27 PM
Pwede bang gamitin 2 usb mics at the same time? separate track each.

planning to buy kasi eh



Puede.  Asio4all drivers kailangan mo to use both.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 18, 2011, 12:16:22 PM
So kung mag-upgrade ako to 6gb ram mga almost 6gb lang mababasa na ram ng Win7 64bit sir tama ba?

You can expect 1 gig to be reserved by the system.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 18, 2011, 12:38:36 PM
Pwede bang gamitin 2 usb mics at the same time? separate track each.

planning to buy kasi eh



It would be much better if you buy a single usb interface with 2 mic preamps and just add the mics to that. While you can use asio4all, remember that it adds it's own latency. One more thing, monitoring of separate usb mic streams is a problem, asio4all or not. Monitoring would be much simpler, and less stressful on your system if you just have one usb device in your system. Remember that usb devices typically send any return audio back to the originating device.

Asio4all is merely a wrapper that combines multiple WDM devices so that it appears as a single asio device. This is useful for DAW programs that use asio as their driver protocol, such as Cubase/Nuendo, Sonar, Live, Audition, etc. Where a DAW program uses WDM, there is no need for asio4all esp. if your audio devices have WDM drivers. WDM allows you to use multiple audio devices but at the sake of sync problems since each digital device each have their own clocks/crystals which provide the basis for their sample rates. Naturally, each device will have slight variances to their clocks unless they are synced digitally. Multiple usb devices are bound to have this problem since most of them do not have a way to sync their clocks unless they have some sort of digital input for syncing... most usb mics DO NOT have this.

One more thing, asio4all was originally developed so that onboard audio in most motherboards and laptops will appear as asio to DAW programs since practically all mobos and laptops DO NOT come with asio drivers. The developer lamented that fact that he could not use his inexpensive laptop with his copy of Cubase so he developed asio4all so he could wrap the laptop's WDM drivers in an asio shell, fooling Cubase to believe there was an asio device in the system. Naturally, there is a slight overhead involved because of the wrapper. Add to that the built-in latency of the laptop's WDM drivers then you have a system which does not truly report to you your overall system latency.

Personally, I would rather that I get a single audio device with bulletproof asio drivers since asio addresses your audio on the hardware level, unlike asio4all which is software. Asio drivers also report your true input/output latency more accurately than asio4all making for less ambiguity in compensating for overall system latency.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on June 18, 2011, 05:49:21 PM
You can expect 1 gig to be reserved by the system.
Ah ok sir salamat!! :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: janryl0016 on July 10, 2011, 05:06:54 AM


sir puwede pahelp...

is it possible na tumunog yung guitar/bass connected to pc ??

i mean i plug sa mic input and then use a headset?.. :? thanks.....
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on July 10, 2011, 10:27:16 AM

sir puwede pahelp...

is it possible na tumunog yung guitar/bass connected to pc ??

i mean i plug sa mic input and then use a headset?.. :? thanks.....

It will.  Set mo sa low ang mic input.  But not recommended for recording.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: janryl0016 on July 10, 2011, 03:10:02 PM


not recommended for recording? bakit po?

i've seen  a lot of videos on youtube. they uses it nmn po...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on July 10, 2011, 05:12:48 PM

not recommended for recording? bakit po?

i've seen  a lot of videos on youtube. they uses it nmn po...

Yup they use it.  Sounds really bad.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: incubus_boy08 on July 22, 2011, 10:13:23 PM
Hi fellow Philmusicians, please help me. Any suggestion would help. Planning to make my gaming rig to recording rig also. Please help me on these questions:

1.)Ano po magandang monitor speaker sa budget kong 10k below. I can stretch to 15k if the advantages of adding 5k to my budget will give me a more quality set of monitor speakers..Oks ba yung KRK Rokit Gen2? Oks kasi sa price at feedback sa mga sites...

2.) Audio interface na marerecomend nyo ( I have no idea about pricing on this one. Oks ba yung UCA-200 or 202). I would like to connect a mixer papunta sa PC ko via USB or RCA. Kung USB may built-in USB yung mixer (like yung Behringer Xenyx X series), do I still need audio interface or rekta na sa USB port sa mobo?

3.)Kailangan ko ba talaga ng soundcard? Please recommend me one or oks na ako kahit yung built-in sa motherboard ko? I'm planning to upgrade my board to 990FX series oks na ba built-in sound nun?


Thanks!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on July 23, 2011, 08:23:45 AM
Ano specs ng gaming rig ninyo sir? Usually kapag gaming rig ok na yan for recording. Yung nag-upgrade ako ng PC gaming rig din kinuha ko pero hindi ko na sinama yung videocard kasi hindi naman yun need for recording. Yung mga onboard videocards ng mga motherboards sa ngayon solve na yun eh.
Hi fellow Philmusicians, please help me. Any suggestion would help. Planning to make my gaming rig to recording rig also. Please help me on these questions:

1.)Ano po magandang monitor speaker sa budget kong 10k below. I can stretch to 15k if the advantages of adding 5k to my budget will give me a more quality set of monitor speakers..Oks ba yung KRK Rokit Gen2? Oks kasi sa price at feedback sa mga sites...
Ok na yung KRK bro basta minimum of 5" yung woofer para mamonitor mo rin yung low frequencies

2.) Audio interface na marerecomend nyo ( I have no idea about pricing on this one. Oks ba yung UCA-200 or 202). I would like to connect a mixer papunta sa PC ko via USB or RCA. Kung USB may built-in USB yung mixer (like yung Behringer Xenyx X series), do I still need audio interface or rekta na sa USB port sa mobo?
Personal LIKE ko yung Line6 UX2. Mura na yung binebenta sa classifieds for 8.5k bro. Pero solve na rin yung mga M-audio. Meron ata sa classifieds 4.5k pinakamura. Yung UCA kailangan mo pa ng mixer.
3.)Kailangan ko ba talaga ng soundcard? Please recommend me one or oks na ako kahit yung built-in sa motherboard ko? I'm planning to upgrade my board to 990FX series oks na ba built-in sound nun?
Yung audio interface mo bro yun na rin ang soundcard mo. About sa onboard soundcard ng motherboard, wag ka nang umasa dun.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: incubus_boy08 on July 25, 2011, 05:53:52 PM
Ano specs ng gaming rig ninyo sir? Usually kapag gaming rig ok na yan for recording. Yung nag-upgrade ako ng PC gaming rig din kinuha ko pero hindi ko na sinama yung videocard kasi hindi naman yun need for recording. Yung mga onboard videocards ng mga motherboards sa ngayon solve na yun eh.

Eto po sir..

Phenom II x4 B50 (unlocked x2 550 BE)
Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P
2x2GB Team Extreem Dark DDR3-1600 7-7-7-21
Seagate 500GB Sata
Zotac GTX 295
Xigmatek 850W PSU

This year maguupgrade na ako to AMD bulldozer so mapapalitan lahat yan...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on July 25, 2011, 11:29:10 PM
Eto po sir..

Phenom II x4 B50 (unlocked x2 550 BE)
Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P
2x2GB Team Extreem Dark DDR3-1600 7-7-7-21
Seagate 500GB Sata
Zotac GTX 295
Xigmatek 850W PSU

This year maguupgrade na ako to AMD bulldozer so mapapalitan lahat yan...
Almost same specs tayo sir. 500gb hdd and 4gb ddr3 ram din akin. Naku solve na solve na yang PC nyo sir!! Dami ko nang nagawang matinding recording sa pc ko eh pero never ko pa siya naramdaman na naghingalo. Ako naman may tanong sa inyo. AMD Phenom II X2 550 BE rin processor ko eh. Paano ninyo na unlock to X4 B50 yung inyo? :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: incubus_boy08 on July 26, 2011, 07:48:51 PM
Almost same specs tayo sir. 500gb hdd and 4gb ddr3 ram din akin. Naku solve na solve na yang PC nyo sir!! Dami ko nang nagawang matinding recording sa pc ko eh pero never ko pa siya naramdaman na naghingalo. Ako naman may tanong sa inyo. AMD Phenom II X2 550 BE rin processor ko eh. Paano ninyo na unlock to X4 B50 yung inyo? :-D

Ah naswertehan lang sir. Ngayon madalang na ata yung mga unlockable na X2 eh. Basta mobo lang na may ACC support. I-on mo lang yung ACC sa bios ng mobo mo. Also you may or may not need to adjust voltage sa NB. (I adjusted mine kasi hindi kaya nung stock voltage kapag naka-OC to 3.8GHz). Disadvantage eh pag unlocked, di mo mamomonitor yung temps ng bawat core. Kaya naka aftermarket akong heatsink for peace of mind.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: incubus_boy08 on July 26, 2011, 09:28:48 PM
eto mga sir oks ba tong interface na to? Pangtrack recording sa drums at pang live application na din..Pag live, connect ko lang sya kahit sa maliit na mixer solve na eh noh?

http://tascam.com/product/us-1800/ (http://tascam.com/product/us-1800/)

Saka oks lang ba i-on yung Phantom power kahit dynamic ang mic na gamit ko? Will it affect sound, produce noise or masira dynamic mic? Thanks!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: multitone on July 30, 2011, 02:42:17 AM
Hi, I'm planning on setting up a mixerless rig, planning to use "PreSonus FireStudio Mobile FireWire Audio Interface". Is this a good piece of equipment? Any idea kung saan makakabili neto? TIA :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on July 30, 2011, 09:45:10 AM
Hi, I'm planning on setting up a mixerless rig, planning to use "PreSonus FireStudio Mobile FireWire Audio Interface". Is this a good piece of equipment? Any idea kung saan makakabili neto? TIA :)

You can't go wrong with this.  San available?  Sa US.  But you can have it shipped here.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: multitone on July 31, 2011, 04:12:55 PM
You can't go wrong with this.  San available?  Sa US.  But you can have it shipped here.

Thanks for this golden piece of advice Master Skin. Now I am certain on what direction to take :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 06, 2011, 11:25:37 AM
Thanks for this golden piece of advice Master Skin. Now I am certain on what direction to take :)

Just make sure the computer you're going to use it with has a firewire port. For ex., most laptops do not have firewire. Even macbooks today eschew firewire for thunderbolt.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Alexmd14 on August 09, 2011, 02:57:48 PM
Sir Kit,
Gusto ko din po sana mag set up ng recording sa bahay. Ito po ang gamit ko. Tanong ko po kung ok na po ba ito?

PC:
Processor: AMD Athlon II X2 240. 2.8Ghz.
Motheboard: MSI KA780GM2 AMD780G
RAM: 4GB DDR2
Videocard:GeForce GT240 Sparkle
Hard Drive: 320GB Sata
                1TB Sata (External)
OS: Windows XP Pro SP3

Gadgets/Equipments:
M-Audio UNO Midi Interface
UCA200 Audio Interface
Korg X5D
Xenyx 802 Mixer
Behringer Truth B203A Speakers

Software:
Magix Music Maker 17 Premium

Di ko pa po nasusubukan magrecord. Still setting up the place and fixing the cables. Any advice will be a great help. Salamat po.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: janryl0016 on August 10, 2011, 09:09:02 AM


sir need ko po kung ano maganda na software that has a backing tracks i mean , yung kaw gagawa ng sarili mong drumbeats. yun po and it will record guitars too.. parang audapacity ata yun.. yun nga lang po wala drums na puwede isalin ee.. salamat po sir.. and sana yung tunog ng drums parang totoo rin.. hindi yung masabi lang po na may drums.. salamat po ng marami sa tulong sir... salamat :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on August 10, 2011, 10:01:39 AM
For your recording needs.
www.reaper.fm

For your drum needs.
http://www.sonomawireworks.com/drumcore/downloads/#DrumCoreFREE

Both are free.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: janryl0016 on August 10, 2011, 03:39:48 PM
For your recording needs.
www.reaper.fm

For your drum needs.
http://www.sonomawireworks.com/drumcore/downloads/#DrumCoreFREE

Both are free.

slamat sir skin.. will be tryng this one out. :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Alexmd14 on August 11, 2011, 05:03:14 PM
Sir, Meron po akong audio interface UCA200.  Pano po nagwo-work yung input at output ng UCA200? Ganito po ba yun:

Input: source of your music
Output: nakakabit sa speakers
USB: connected sa computer

additional questions:
Kung may sasabayan akong track sa pagre-record, maririnig ko din ba sa output yung track or kung ano lang ire-record ko?

Dapat ba may separate speakers na nakakabit sa computer at ibang speakers na nakakabit sa UCA200?

Please help. thanks...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on August 11, 2011, 05:09:32 PM
Tama ang pagkakaintindi mo.  No need for speakers for your computer.  Only for the UCA200.

If you're using a DAW, you'll hear the track you're going to record and yung sasabayan mo.

What software are you using?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Alexmd14 on August 11, 2011, 05:18:46 PM
Sir Skin, Ito po ang mga gamit ko:

PC:
Processor: AMD Athlon II X2 240. 2.8Ghz.
Motheboard: MSI KA780GM2 AMD780G
RAM: 4GB DDR2
Videocard:GeForce GT240 Sparkle
Hard Drive: 320GB Sata
                1TB Sata (External)
OS: Windows XP Pro SP3

Gadgets/Equipments:
M-Audio UNO Midi Interface
UCA200 Audio Interface
Korg X5D
Xenyx 1002 Mixer
Behringer Truth B203A Speakers

Software:
Magix Music Maker 17 Premium


So ibig po sabihin, for example:

Mic-Mixer-UCA200 (Input)-USB-Computer
            -UCA200 (Output)- B2030A Speakers

Tama po ba?

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on August 11, 2011, 05:20:22 PM
Tama.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Alexmd14 on August 11, 2011, 05:25:23 PM
Salamat po ng marami.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: oteymike888 on August 27, 2011, 06:45:46 PM
sir mahilig kasi akong magcover ng songs balak ko bumili ng fastrack pro4x4 maudio, about sa software ano ang maganda, and kasama na sir ung capture tnx
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on August 27, 2011, 06:57:22 PM
sir mahilig kasi akong magcover ng songs balak ko bumili ng fastrack pro4x4 maudio, about sa software ano ang maganda, and kasama na sir ung capture tnx
What do you mean by "capture" bro? About sa software maraming klase ng DAW and plugins. May kanya-kanyang mga pros and cons pero depende pa rin yun sa preference mo. Sa DAW may mga free ngayon tulad ng Reaper(google mo lang). Nandoon na lahat ng BASIC functions na kailangan mo sa recording.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: oteymike888 on August 27, 2011, 08:20:43 PM
ung capture means video capture via webcam sir
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on August 27, 2011, 09:55:01 PM
ung capture means video capture via webcam sir
naku wala na ako masyado alam sa mundo ng video editing bro. Pero usually ang ginagawa ko simpleng video shoot lang gamit ang cellphone!! :lol:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: plitipiw40315 on August 27, 2011, 11:51:18 PM
ano pong maire-recommend nyo na mic. at mixer, balak ko po magrecord ng drums using only 1 mic..thanks  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 15, 2011, 09:10:53 AM
ano pong maire-recommend nyo na mic. at mixer, balak ko po magrecord ng drums using only 1 mic..thanks  :-D

Not easy to recommend this since you will either: a) spend less and get a mono, 1-dimensional sound that will be very hard to tame, and b) spend for a more expensive stereo mic which you can set up as a quasi-overhead position in front of the kit so you can also capture the kick.

In both instances, you will need an excellent room to record in. You also didn't mention your budget but I'm assuming it is...uhhh, a budget setup.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: plitipiw40315 on November 15, 2011, 09:55:17 AM
Not easy to recommend this since you will either: a) spend less and get a mono, 1-dimensional sound that will be very hard to tame, and b) spend for a more expensive stereo mic which you can set up as a quasi-overhead position in front of the kit so you can also capture the kick.

In both instances, you will need an excellent room to record in. You also didn't mention your budget but I'm assuming it is...uhhh, a budget setup.

10k below po ang budget ko sa mic at mixer ser kit, yung room po eh on going napo ang construction ko sa drum room, bale 13'x11' ang estimate kong dimensions then mga 280 ang ceiling height, concrete slabs po lahat ng walls, ceiling at floor. salamat po sa pagsagot..  :lol:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ckor10 on December 05, 2011, 10:59:48 PM
sir KItc ask nmn!!haha redandant n kow!!eto po specs ng pc ko
1.pentium 4 dual core e5800 LGA77 3.2 ghZ
2.Asus motherboard P5G41T-MLx3
3.video card Nvidia Geforce 210 1024 mb(makakaapekto hu b to?based on past comments po eh)
4.windows xp sp2 32bit

un lng po then plan ko po mag tyu ng mini studio s bhay!!plan 1 ko po audio interface with usb  2.0 close po s m audio mobile pre mk2!! then a mixer po!!like yamaha mg82cx or mackie 802 vlz3 un lng po!!plan 2 ko po ung alesis multimix 8 usb 2.0 wla nmn po audio interface!!un lng po !sa mic po!!blak ko po muna shure sm57 for vocals,begginer p lng nmn po ako eh!maraming slmat po s mga magrereply!! pslmat p ko nkita ko tong forums n to!! slmat!!budget k po 15 k pro lokking forward to extend to 20!!tnx!! :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jomspinoy on December 06, 2011, 10:33:34 PM
Mga pre, help naman.

I have an Allen & Heath ZED10FX mixer which has  a USB out. I plan  to plug it in my 13" macbook pro (2010) laptop 2.4GHZ 4GB RAM. I'm using Shure SM58 mics and a videoke player.

1) What is the best software for MAC to record voice (videoke singing) given that your budget is unlimited ?
2) What is the best software for MAC to record voice (videoke singing) given that your budget is $100 ?
3) What is the best software for MAC to record voice (videoke singing) given that it should be FREE ?
4) What is the best software if I use windows 7 64-bit on an i5 / 8GB / Asus xonar setup and unlimited budget for software?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ckor10 on December 07, 2011, 01:43:25 AM
good morning!!haha!upon reading past comments!!i distinguished the difference between firewire and usb interface!according to sir Kitc,he uses firewire because of low cpu usage!at first i want to buy an interface with usb connection because i dont have firewire slot in my cpu!it has changed my mind and planning to buy an audio interface with firewire connection!but before buying an interface,i want to buy a PCI firewire expansion card which has a TI chip set!san hu kya meron neto tsaka store n pwd bilhan!!there are stores that comes up in my mind pero mas gusto ko po ung galing sa inyo and magkano po ung price?ung motherboard ko po eh ung ASUS P5G41T-MLX3 na isa lng po ung pci slot.chipset nia po eh intel@G41/Ich7!ask ko lng dn po kung ung expansion card ng firewire eh me distinction na ddr3 or ddr2 like sa RAM!!last na po talaga!is it advisable to me na gumamit ng firewire or usb 2.0 n lng kase ang habol ko lng nmn po eh ung hobby lang na recording!hinde po serious n recording!!ung specs ko po tsaka ung plano ko po  n sa top hihihi!!thank po!!merry Christmas..
 
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on December 08, 2011, 12:41:00 PM
ckor - ok naman equipment list mo pero since nandyan na, suggest ko lang na maging familiar ka muna sa gamit mo. anong software mo? tsaka mo na isipin ang firewire dahil usb naman yung multimix mo.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ckor10 on December 08, 2011, 10:30:51 PM
sir kitc!2 days n po akong exited sa reply nio :),salamat po s reply!hindi pa po ako nakakabile ng multimix!wala p po akong gamit!nagbago n po ung plan ko!usb interface bibilin ko!2 lng po pinagpipilian ko na nacapture yung attention ko!yung roland quad capture na me bundled na cakewalk sonar x1 LE at yung focusrite scarlett 2i2 bundled with ableton live lite 8!upon reading the reviews on the web!mas marame pong pumapabor s quad capture even though na wala syang gain control sa phones!as to scarlett,andameng bad issues 2ngkol sa drivers nia!!help nmn mag decide!2i2 is not yet available here while quad is availabe sa yupangco!wala po ko idea sa price ng 2i2 dito  dahil hnd pa released ng jb,pero mas mhal yung quad capture sa tingin ko!set aside ko po muna ung mixer since short ako!btw po!sa mixer ok dn po ba yung yamaha mg102c yun lang yung mura sa tingin ko dahil almost 8 k cia sa yupangco!salamat po ng marame!! :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ckor10 on December 08, 2011, 11:20:50 PM
pahabol pa po pala sa mixer!yung yamaha mg82cx since mas mahal sia at may onboard effects!yun nga lang po hindi ko alam kung me stock sa yupangco!san pa po ba meron d2 saten?tnx!looking forward to other brands ng mixer!!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on December 12, 2011, 03:33:49 PM
ckor,

The order of 'speed' in terms of soundcards goes something like this:

internal soundcard > firewire > usb 2 > usb 1.1, where a pci/pcie soundcard is the best if you want the lowest possible latency.

Mind you, this is with regards to branded soundcards whose drivers are really optimized for low latency operation; those consumer-type cards usually will not hack it since their drivers are often optimized for playback and not for recording.

Next is... what is your requirement for recording? Do you really need a mixer? What's with the need for internal effects in the mixer unless you plan to use it for a PA system. In short, what is your REAL requirement? Sonar and Live are both capable, but they have their quirks. Sonar is best thought of as a linear recorder and sequencing tool. Live can be best as a remix/arranging tool, but it also works as a very capable sequencing tool. It all depends on how you want to work.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ckor10 on December 12, 2011, 04:54:39 PM
tnx sir KitC, i decided to buy an audio interface(usb 2.0) first!i just want to record my vocals with my acoustic guitar!the mixer probably goes next,BTW i included the mixer because it can be used in our sound system,my mother said to me that she wants a quality sound for our mic,and i thought that mixer can do that! the second use of mixer is when I jam together with my cousins for fun!Btw sir what do you mean by these? "Mind you, this is with regards to branded soundcards whose drivers are really optimized for low latency operation; those consumer-type cards usually will not hack it since their drivers are often optimized for playback and not for recording." i am a newbie!sorry for my innocence.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on December 13, 2011, 11:46:54 AM
Often, you will hear from a lot of people that soundblasters and similar soundcards can be used for recording, i.e., 'pwede na'. I will not lie to you... they can, but with certain caveats.

Like I said earlier, drivers of consumer soundcards are often optimized for playback and not for recording. That's why it's often difficult (but not impossible) to get very low latencies with 'blasters. I know this from experience.

Moving up from blasters, the first thing you will experience is lower noise first, and a clearer representation of the panning from left to right. That's because better spec cards have better spec components. Among the first things I noticed was, apart from low noise, the soundstage could be better visualized. I could hear details that were not inherent in my 'blasters. Another thing was low latencies due to driver optimization; it was much easier to record stuff.

Got to tweakheadz.com and read up on the primer on "The Guide". You will learn a lot about the jargon used in recording, as well as pertinent techniques and tips that you could pick up.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ckor10 on December 13, 2011, 03:50:38 PM
tnx sir KITc but i have already read that! The only thing that i want for now is an interface first!Is just only for fun, I just want to record my vocals with my guitar or with some minus ones, not for serious recording! I decided for roland Quad capture because it sounds good to me!I called to yupanco but they said that it is not yet available here until january with no specific date!actually, its a good news for me because, I can save more money. I will skip the mixer. TNx sir. I want a roland quad capture sir hahhaha!what can you say about these interface!!Tnx sir!! :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on December 14, 2011, 11:32:44 AM
Seriously, I know nothing about these new Rolands but based on their track record, they produce a lot of good interfaces (if anything, my Roland VariOS is still going strong, though unused  :-( ). Just make a point to keep your drivers updated and always use the same usb port where you first plugged the Roland in.

Anyway, at least Sonar compatibility is assured so that might be a shoo-in for your first DAW and it is a good piece of software, which you can probably tell from my sig.

Since you already read tweakheadz, then you got a good foundation. Time to practice what you read, eh?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ckor10 on December 14, 2011, 02:42:10 PM
yup !tnx sir kitC eh!haha!! the only thing that bothers me is my limited budget!if i get 1 firewire pci card,then its not enough.haha tnx for the reminders! ill show some reviews if I already bought it!

Upon reading tweakheadz! of course they are in favor of Firewire interfaces.I'd tried to find a review for quad capture but didn't found anyone! I've searched in the youtube in the past few days and luckily found some users of it. They don't have any bad experiences behind my future audio interface!LOL. :wave: i think, the only difference in firewire and USB 2.0(not 1.1 dahhh) is the specs of the PC!Consider the speed of Processor and if its quite enough to transfer data to a high speed hard drive.As of using firewire,they dont need any helpfrom the processor! There are many factors that must be considered in choosing a USB audio interface and I'm trying to understand them.

 I have watched the MTV of one hit combo by parokya ni edgar feat gloc 9 and they are using an m audio fast track mkII usb interface for that recording! Tnx hope that im not in a bad pathway!hahah! ^-^
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on December 15, 2011, 10:32:36 AM
if i get 1 firewire pci card,then its not enough.

Firewire, as good as it is, seems to be in the doldrums today since most of the serial protocols in development is with USB3 and Thunderbolt. I think it's a safe bet to stick with usb for now and forget about firewire interfaces since even Apple is dropping firewire for T-bolt. <Then again, if someone was giving away his fireface for free  :drool: , I'd be a fool not to accept it!>
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: bindoy on December 19, 2011, 01:42:29 PM
pumunta ako last sa Hong Kong sole distributor ng RME fireface. anlayo! ! ! at ang mahal din. difference ng mga 2-5k. going there ulit after pasko, anu sir kitC, pabili ka? ;)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on December 19, 2011, 04:15:39 PM
Haha! kung pwede lang, bindoy!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: bindoy on December 19, 2011, 04:26:43 PM
sige sir. sabihan mo ako ah. pwede email niyo ako

bindoy_carredo@yahoo.com padala niyo link. tapos email back ko kayo kapag nandun na ako. . . :) game!? GAS GAS
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kelen on December 28, 2011, 12:12:47 AM
I have a guitar rig 5 problem. there is no input and output in guitar rig 5 as opposed to FL studio which is functioning.

(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/edg6543/GRproblem3.jpg)

(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/edg6543/GRproblem2.jpg)

(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/edg6543/GRproblem.jpg)

same settings sa fl studio pero gumagana naman  :-(
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on December 28, 2011, 10:01:30 AM
What kind of pc are you using? I noticed you have asio4all. Asio works better if it directly addresses the hardware instead of going through a wrapper. The moment you use asio4all, you are actually using WDM drivers. Try to use asio directly, not asio4all, unless you are using onboard sound, which is not the best setup really.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kelen on December 28, 2011, 12:00:20 PM
toshiba laptop
dual core 2.27 ghz
2g RAM
32-bit operating system
conexant smartaudio hd

I tried the m-audio asio but still no luck

(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/edg6543/GRproblem4.jpg)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on December 28, 2011, 11:38:57 PM
Did you highlight the inputs and outputs?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: gutz_3110 on December 30, 2011, 12:44:09 PM
Hi, is Guitar Rig capable of recording as well? Does it have drum loops and bass line to create a backing track? I'll be setting up a new PC soon and I'm a bit old school and a newbie about this.  My goal is to record my riffs, solos and compose music as well.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on December 30, 2011, 11:05:50 PM
Hi, is Guitar Rig capable of recording as well? Does it have drum loops and bass line to create a backing track? I'll be setting up a new PC soon and I'm a bit old school and a newbie about this.  My goal is to record my riffs, solos and compose music as well.  Thanks!
Nope
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on December 31, 2011, 10:31:41 AM
Hi, is Guitar Rig capable of recording as well?

Think of Guitar Rig as software multifx... without the recording option. Aside from standalone operation, it's also a plugin that you use with your favorite DAW.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: gutz_3110 on December 31, 2011, 03:34:28 PM
thanks, kitc. i just checked the guitar rig website though, noted on the multifx. any software recommendation for creating drumtracks and basslines? also, im planning to get i5+4GB memory. would that be enough for recording? thanks again.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 02, 2012, 10:28:41 AM
That i5 would be more than enough.

Since you are getting a windows lappy (most likely), almost any DAW out there will allow you to make drum tracks and basslines since they all come with their own instrument plugins. Sonar for ex. already comes with Guitar Rig, Session Drummer and several plugins that allow me to make realistic tracks; Cubase, Logic, Ableton all give you the same fuctionality. If you have a mac, it already comes with Garageband which is quite full featured for a 'basic' DAW.

The only caveat with these DAWs? You will have to come to terms with midi. If you are looking for a drum machine capability, some of the DAWs mentioned above come with midi and audio loops that allow you to piece together relatively complete (if rather uncomplicated nee boring) backing tracks. If you have something like a Roland GR-33 or similar, I believe it has a midi output capability which allows you to use the guitar as a midi input instrument.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kelen on January 02, 2012, 01:52:57 PM
Did you highlight the inputs and outputs?

sir I tried both asio4all and m-audio asio and it's still not working. I looked around the net for answers, people said that turning off my soundcard maybe will do the trick? it will automatically shut itself off upon detecting a new driver right?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 03, 2012, 10:17:34 AM
you can try that but since the right drivers already appear in the asio routing, the problem may be somewhere else. can you tell me how you have things set up? if you were in alabang, i might be able to take a look at your rig right now.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kelen on January 03, 2012, 12:08:13 PM
you can try that but since the right drivers already appear in the asio routing, the problem may be somewhere else. can you tell me how you have things set up? if you were in alabang, i might be able to take a look at your rig right now.

I can get to alabang but not today  :cry: on saturday, sir

guitar > cable > 2 pedals > m-audio fast track > cable > pc

latency set to 256 or 512

sa FL studio gumagana naman pero sa guitar rig lang talaga ang problema
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 04, 2012, 11:43:23 AM
I'm usually in qc on weekends.

Looks to me like you want to hear the plugin in realtime, right? You should be able to do that in standalone mode. Latency is a bit high at 256 samples; that i5 should be able to do better. I think you have a config problem with your pc as well.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: gutz_3110 on January 04, 2012, 09:30:19 PM
noted, KitC. thanks again for sharing your thoughts.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 05, 2012, 10:34:37 AM
I'm curious how you got FL and Guitar Rig set up and it's bugging me that you can't get sound. Out of curiosity, how are you monitoring your outputs?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: sQuid on January 14, 2012, 04:18:41 PM
Sir KitC,

Will this remove my iMac's hum when recording?

http://www.aapexonline.com/ground-loop-isolator-noise-suppressor-filter-killer-rca-to-rca-20-amp-23-long.html

Set-up is iMac>Behringer UCA>Behringer Mixer (via RCA)>Rode M3

Audio starts to hum when the USB soundcard is plugged in to the iMac USB port. Kapag di naka-connect sa mixer malinis yung tunog ng M3.

TIA!  :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on January 15, 2012, 07:31:43 PM
Sir KitC,

Will this remove my iMac's hum when recording?

http://www.aapexonline.com/ground-loop-isolator-noise-suppressor-filter-killer-rca-to-rca-20-amp-23-long.html

Set-up is iMac>Behringer UCA>Behringer Mixer (via RCA)>Rode M3

Audio starts to hum when the USB soundcard is plugged in to the iMac USB port. Kapag di naka-connect sa mixer malinis yung tunog ng M3.

TIA!  :)

Do you hear the hum on recorded audio?  Yung UCA200 ko may hum sa monitoring but on recorded audio wala.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 16, 2012, 03:14:41 PM
I'm beginning to think that since the Imac is relatively a desktop laptop, it's possible that it's power supply is 'noisy' when it comes to certain usb audio devices. Like skin says, if the recorded audio has no hum but monitoring does, then I would look down the line from mixer to monitors. It's possible that an unbalanced cable is picking up hum from a nearby power supply. Check the RCA connections. (I'm curious why the chain is mixer to M3 via RCA... isn't the M3 a mic?).

Have you tried using a different usb port? I'd suggest using a powered hub, but even that may generate noise.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: cyberkamote on January 18, 2012, 04:22:28 AM
hi po sa mga experts, planning to buy an audio interface to record at home, here are my needs:

must be able to handle mic (PL and XLR connectors) and at least 1 instrument inputs simultaneously and I need to take it in to my PC via USB

now so far the combos I have in mind are (entry level lang po):


Obviously I dont have much knowledge on other products, specially the USB interface part (thus I only listed UCA 202 in most of my choices above).

Any comments/suggestions?

BTW: Im only a hobbyist and want to record acoustic guitar + mic to my PC.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: plitipiw40315 on January 18, 2012, 08:43:57 AM
hi po sa mga experts, planning to buy an audio interface to record at home, here are my needs:

must be able to handle mic (PL and XLR connectors) and at least 1 instrument inputs simultaneously and I need to take it in to my PC via USB

now so far the combos I have in mind are (entry level lang po):

  • - Behringer Xenyx 302USB + Behringer UCA202
  • - Behringer Xenyx 502 + Behringer UCA202 (basically the difference from above is the USB power)
  • - Lexicon Alpha + Behringer UCA 202
  • - M Audio Fast Track (however this one doesn't have PL mic capabilities)

Obviously I dont have much knowledge on other products, specially the USB interface part (thus I only listed UCA 202 in most of my choices above).

Any comments/suggestions?

BTW: Im only a hobbyist and want to record acoustic guitar + mic to my PC.

i think ypu wont be needing UCA202 for your first choice..since it has already usb 2, which means you can directly plug it to your PC/Laptop..  :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on January 18, 2012, 10:04:33 AM
hi po sa mga experts, planning to buy an audio interface to record at home, here are my needs:

must be able to handle mic (PL and XLR connectors) and at least 1 instrument inputs simultaneously and I need to take it in to my PC via USB

now so far the combos I have in mind are (entry level lang po):

  • - Behringer Xenyx 302USB + Behringer UCA202
  • - Behringer Xenyx 502 + Behringer UCA202 (basically the difference from above is the USB power)
  • - Lexicon Alpha + Behringer UCA 202
  • - M Audio Fast Track (however this one doesn't have PL mic capabilities)

Obviously I dont have much knowledge on other products, specially the USB interface part (thus I only listed UCA 202 in most of my choices above).

Any comments/suggestions?

BTW: Im only a hobbyist and want to record acoustic guitar + mic to my PC.

Get the first one and sell the your UCA202.  It is best to record acoustic guitar with a good mic.  If you want to use this method and sing simultaneously, get the Xenyx 802 so you have 2 xlr's.

If you can get it in the US, get this one.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/615405-REG/ART_USBDUALPREPS_USB_Dual_Pre.html
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: cyberkamote on January 18, 2012, 07:10:30 PM
Get the first one and sell the your UCA202.  It is best to record acoustic guitar with a good mic.  If you want to use this method and sing simultaneously, get the Xenyx 802 so you have 2 xlr's.

If you can get it in the US, get this one.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/615405-REG/ART_USBDUALPREPS_USB_Dual_Pre.html

now that I've read the specs again sa website nila, oo nga noh, I dont need the UCA 202!!! Thanks bro for pointing that out!

Now, the problem is I have to find a Xenyx 302USB! hehe! (out of stock sa lahat ng InTune outlets)

Also, thanks for pointing out that the 302USB can only accept one input at a time (either PL or XLR) - I was wondering though, aside from iPods and other music players (CD player,etc) what are those RCA inputs for (the line in and the 2-track input) on the 302?



BTW, I don't have credit card so I cannot purchase online..the product you showed is quite similar to the 302 tho' thanks!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: pualux on January 19, 2012, 03:40:44 AM
hi again, it's been a while since I tried to record something, anyway I have this problem, every time I record, there's always latency, I've ignored this for the past two years since I thought that maybe it was just my slow computer(i just moved the delayed track and sync it with the rest of the track) but I just want to know if latency is really something we have to accept when using usb interfaces? I've set the buffer size to 512 and I can't set it any lower than that...oh btw, the delay i'm talking about is when I turn monitor ON on a track where I'm trying to record something. Hope my explanation didn't sound off.

I'm using a windows 7 laptop, I3, 2gigs ram(used to be 3gigs but time has taken its toll on this lil fellah)

My real question is this, will a computer with a very powerful processor be capable of eliminating latency when using usb interfaces? Or would a firewire interface be better?

I ask this since I've decided to stick with windows and I plan to build a music production pc from the ground up....i'm looking for ideas on what parts to buy.


Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 19, 2012, 09:57:14 AM
It depends on the device. Latency can be directly attributable to the efficiency of a device's drivers and some high end usb devices, such as RME's Babyface, can achieve latencies as low as 48 samples (in windows; with OSX it's as low as 14 samples) which calculates to 1.08 ms at 44.1 kHz.

Assuming the buffer size of your usb audio equates to samples, you are experiencing a latency in the area of 11 milliseconds, which is very much noticeable when monitoring live during overdubs. Drummers (at least, the good ones) will get thrown off their rhythm during these situations, as well as other musicians who have an ear for tight timing.

So is a new computer the answer? I'd say get a better interface, and not necessarily firewire. Make sure that interface is a proven one with rock solid drivers.

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on January 19, 2012, 10:54:00 AM
hi again, it's been a while since I tried to record something, anyway I have this problem, every time I record, there's always latency, I've ignored this for the past two years since I thought that maybe it was just my slow computer(i just moved the delayed track and sync it with the rest of the track) but I just want to know if latency is really something we have to accept when using usb interfaces? I've set the buffer size to 512 and I can't set it any lower than that...oh btw, the delay i'm talking about is when I turn monitor ON on a track where I'm trying to record something. Hope my explanation didn't sound off.

I'm using a windows 7 laptop, I3, 2gigs ram(used to be 3gigs but time has taken its toll on this lil fellah)

My real question is this, will a computer with a very powerful processor be capable of eliminating latency when using usb interfaces? Or would a firewire interface be better?

I ask this since I've decided to stick with windows and I plan to build a music production pc from the ground up....i'm looking for ideas on what parts to buy.

Download drivers from this site.   www.asio4all.com

I assume you're still using the integrated soundcard of your computer.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: plitipiw40315 on January 19, 2012, 11:50:52 AM
Also, thanks for pointing out that the 302USB can only accept one input at a time (either PL or XLR) - I was wondering though, aside from iPods and other music players (CD player,etc) what are those RCA inputs for (the line in and the 2-track input) on the 302?


you can use it for drum machines and synth's..  :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: punkasspunk on January 19, 2012, 01:39:25 PM
hi sir KitC

im planning to set-up my pc for recording eto po specs ng pc ko, anu po ba dapat unahin ko?  :-) sound card, anung software kaya maganda for beginners and anung interface mag-suggest nyo to hook up my guitar to my pc?!
 thanks .. i hope you can help out.. thanks again..  :)

intel i3-2100 3.1ghz
2 gig ram
64 bit windows 7 ultimate
p8h61-mlx asus board
320 hdd

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on January 19, 2012, 02:18:38 PM
hi sir KitC

im planning to set-up my pc for recording eto po specs ng pc ko, anu po ba dapat unahin ko?  :-) sound card, anung software kaya maganda for beginners and anung interface mag-suggest nyo to hook up my guitar to my pc?!
 thanks .. i hope you can help out.. thanks again..  :)

intel i3-2100 3.1ghz
2 gig ram
64 bit windows 7 ultimate
p8h61-mlx asus board
320 hdd

Get a separate audio interface.  For free software, check out Reaper and for guitar effects check Amplitube.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: punkasspunk on January 19, 2012, 02:37:14 PM
sir skin : what can you recommend na auido interface?!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on January 19, 2012, 02:42:53 PM
sir skin : what can you recommend na auido interface?!

Budget?  How many tracks are you gonna record simultaneously?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: punkasspunk on January 19, 2012, 02:45:01 PM
Budget?  How many tracks are you gonna record simultaneously?

i cannot estimate eh, anu ba yung pinaka-basic 4 tracks? or 8 tracks sorry no idea talaga..
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on January 19, 2012, 02:55:28 PM
i cannot estimate eh, anu ba yung pinaka-basic 4 tracks? or 8 tracks sorry no idea talaga..

For starters people usually get the M-audio fast track.  Check out JB since they distribute M-Audio locally.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/m-audio-fast-track-mkii-usb-audio-interface-with-pro-tools-se/h76481000000000
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: punkasspunk on January 19, 2012, 03:15:51 PM
ok thanks for the idea i'll check it out  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: punkasspunk on January 19, 2012, 03:33:32 PM
kailangan pa ba ng sound card if ever bibili ako ng m-audio fast track?!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 19, 2012, 05:11:19 PM
kailangan pa ba ng sound card if ever bibili ako ng m-audio fast track?!

No. the fast track IS the sound card, aside from the built in sound in your pc.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: punkasspunk on January 19, 2012, 05:22:51 PM
so if i have m-audio fast track no need for another sound aside from the one that is built in..

but what if wanted to install a sound card aside from the one that is buit in, what do i need next?i mean do i still need the m-audio to connect my guitar to comp. or are there any alternative.?

sorry really have no idea...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: cyberkamote on January 20, 2012, 05:29:23 AM
so if i have m-audio fast track no need for another sound aside from the one that is built in..

but what if wanted to install a sound card aside from the one that is buit in, what do i need next?i mean do i still need the m-audio to connect my guitar to comp. or are there any alternative.?

sorry really have no idea...

 hi sir, the important thing to know is that the fast track is going to your PC via USB...

now normally wala dapat epekto yun kung may soundcard ka pa, specially if yung purpose ng sound card mo is simply for your PC speakers...

remember that the Fast Track is an Audio interface- normally a gadget for "INPUT" so the guitar and mic go in here. Now if ang reason mo to buy a soundcard is for plugging in your speakers then I think walang magiging problema...

Hope this helps sir :) lets wait for the experts to comment too :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 20, 2012, 09:38:23 AM
It used to be that pc's didn't have sound built in. They had to make expansion cards so that sound could be accommodated; that's why soundblaster became a big hit in the early 90's until ultimately, sound was integrated into every motherboard. You can probably thank Steve Jobs and Apple for that.

Note that you CAN record with onboard sound, but it usually isn't the most efficient way to do so. For one thing, pc sound is usually designed for efficient playback with recording added as a bonus. Low latency recording is not high on the list of priorities when the developers make drivers for onboard sound; this is why we need a dedicated audio interface. Often, external and prosumer soundcards (such as the fast track) will have better, low latency drivers as well as multiple I/O and maybe provisions for instrument inputs which put conditions such as impedance mismatching out of the question.

You can have onboard sound and the fast track both working simultaneously. Used to be that I would route my onboard sound into my recording card so I can hear my games or movies after a hard day's work - I had up to 3 different sound sources at that time. Onboard sound goes to my pc speakers while the 'pro audio' goes to my headphones or monitors. Let's just say I could hear the difference between the 2 and I couldn't trust onboard sound for critical listening. Now, my 1820m does everything audio related - a much simpler and efficient setup.

The simplest way to connect a guitar to a pc is to get one of those usb guitar cables or interfaces... the fast tracks have guitar inputs. You may have problems with monitoring when you use the simple interfaces, though... no speaker outputs in the most inexpensive usb cables and interfaces.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: punkasspunk on January 20, 2012, 02:48:58 PM
thanks sir KitC for the lesson
so i can go for m-audio interface alone
can you recommend any? i want to record
guitar, bass, voice and the drum beats i guess
i can gets some with drum machine ..
thanks for the time ...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 20, 2012, 02:57:23 PM
The M-audio Fast Track is probably the simplest way to go about it. There is also the Lexicon Alpha but I'm not so sure over its performance/latency issues. If you have more funds to go around, I'd say the Native Instruments Audio Kontrol or the Focusrite Saffire USB are very good options for the money (contact Forerunner/Music Source for the former and JB for the latter and M-audio interfaces).

Use Reaper as your DAW in the meantime but please try to pay for it eventually. It is great software that deserves user support.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: punkasspunk on January 20, 2012, 03:21:44 PM
thanks sir KitC i'll keep everything in mind  :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: cyberkamote on January 20, 2012, 06:36:09 PM
Dami palang ok na USB Interfaces ang Roland- however I called Yupangco and all they have is the Octo-capture (or was it Octa)...

May iba pa bang distributor ng Roland here? Sakto yung Tri-Capture or yung UA-4FX ... how much kaya sa PH price ito?

la lang just venting out  :wink:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 21, 2012, 11:47:09 AM
May iba pa bang distributor ng Roland here?

If there are, I doubt you would get proper support and service. yupanks is the only authorized distro of Roland products here.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: punkasspunk on January 22, 2012, 10:00:11 AM
im having delay during recording
when i strum the string there'e a 3 sec. delay
before i actually hear the sound comes out on the speaker
is there any way to resolve this..
im using reaper..
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 22, 2012, 01:31:26 PM
If you're still recording with onboard audio, then there's no easy way about this than to use asio4all driver. Do a net search.

Try to set your latency to the lowest possible setting before audio starts breaking up. The lower the latency, the higher the cpu loading so try to record dry (i.e., without plugins).
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: punkasspunk on January 22, 2012, 05:33:15 PM
thanks sir kitc
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: packyshingha on January 29, 2012, 09:29:14 PM
@kitC: Sir KitC, kasi po mixcraft ang software na gamit ko sa pagRerecording and Samson C01u naman ang mic na gamit ko.. Ask ko lang in terms of vocals, kasi default lang ung ginamit kong settings ng mixcraft.. may specific settings  ba na pangVocals like.

sample rate:
Number of Buffers:
bit dept:
buffer size:

sana po masagot nyo ang katanungan ko.. medyo advance po kasi config nya.thanks in advance..
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ckor10 on January 29, 2012, 11:25:21 PM
Gud evening po :-(.especially kay sir kitc .pa ask naman about phantom power!here's the case!(for example only) what if i have an audio interface :drool: ,let's say roland quad capture! then i turned on the phantom power on for a condenser mic -- channel 1 then i connect my guitar sa channel 2 !hnd po balanced ung cable wire(TRS) ah !wla kc akong guitar amp ! ung line out po mismo ng gitara! does phantom power can cause damage/s sa pick up ng gitara? :-P


#2 question ! Same set up po! interface/phantom power on, !input 1 -condenser mic (for ex AT2020) :cute: ,input 2 -Dynamic mic ( e.g. Sm57) :| . is there any damages that would be taken by the dynamic mic? :cry:

 thanks po!salamat ng marami..... :wave:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on January 30, 2012, 11:57:09 AM
Gud evening po :-(.especially kay sir kitc .pa ask naman about phantom power!here's the case!(for example only) what if i have an audio interface :drool: ,let's say roland quad capture! then i turned on the phantom power on for a condenser mic -- channel 1 then i connect my guitar sa channel 2 !hnd po balanced ung cable wire(TRS) ah !wla kc akong guitar amp ! ung line out po mismo ng gitara! does phantom power can cause damage/s sa pick up ng gitara? :-P


#2 question ! Same set up po! interface/phantom power on, !input 1 -condenser mic (for ex AT2020) :cute: ,input 2 -Dynamic mic ( e.g. Sm57) :| . is there any damages that would be taken by the dynamic mic? :cry:

 thanks po!salamat ng marami..... :wave:

No damage.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ckor10 on January 30, 2012, 02:49:49 PM
No damage.

tnx po!!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ckor10 on January 30, 2012, 03:40:28 PM
Dami palang ok na USB Interfaces ang Roland- however I called Yupangco and all they have is the Octo-capture (or was it Octa)...

May iba pa bang distributor ng Roland here? Sakto yung Tri-Capture or yung UA-4FX ... how much kaya sa PH price ito?

la lang just venting out  :wink:


OO nga eh!wala pa clang inorder!!2mawag dn ako kanina octacapture lng meron! damn !! makakabili n sana ako quadcapture! anyways. ipon n lng ulit ako pang octa since  i'll use to record 2 or more instruments for jamming!!  :drool:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: packyshingha on January 30, 2012, 07:18:23 PM
@kitC: Sir KitC, kasi po mixcraft ang software na gamit ko sa pagRerecording and Samson C01u naman ang mic na gamit ko.. Ask ko lang in terms of vocals, kasi default lang ung ginamit kong settings ng mixcraft.. may specific settings  ba na pangVocals like.

sample rate:
Number of Buffers:
bit dept:
buffer size:

sana po masagot nyo ang katanungan ko.. medyo advance po kasi config nya.thanks in advance..

Sana masagot po ito.. thanks mga master.. :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 01, 2012, 11:48:46 AM
@kitC: Sir KitC, kasi po mixcraft ang software na gamit ko sa pagRerecording and Samson C01u naman ang mic na gamit ko.. Ask ko lang in terms of vocals, kasi default lang ung ginamit kong settings ng mixcraft.. may specific settings  ba na pangVocals like.

sample rate:
Number of Buffers:
bit dept:
buffer size:

sana po masagot nyo ang katanungan ko.. medyo advance po kasi config nya.thanks in advance..

Nothing specific. Just pick a sample rate and set latency as low as your computer (and interface) will let you without breaking up. As for bit depth, I prefer to use 24-bit for the extra processing headroom, but 16-bit recording is fine. Don't worry about buffers and such and let the software use defaults unless you experience problems.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: packyshingha on February 01, 2012, 01:11:37 PM
Nothing specific. Just pick a sample rate and set latency as low as your computer (and interface) will let you without breaking up. As for bit depth, I prefer to use 24-bit for the extra processing headroom, but 16-bit recording is fine. Don't worry about buffers and such and let the software use defaults unless you experience problems.

Sir KitC: Thank you po malaking tulong po yan.. sige po explore ko nlng about sa settings ko jan... Thank You po. :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ckor10 on February 09, 2012, 09:35:08 PM
ask naman po!Ok po kayang bumile sa mga music stores sa Raon? dami kc dun eh ! Hinde ko alam kung authorized! <_<
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on February 11, 2012, 10:21:36 AM
Hi guys,


Need your advise, Im planning to purchase a ALESIS io2 express and use it with my laptop, so can I indeed connect my guitar directly without any pre amps?

Thanks! :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 11, 2012, 10:46:02 AM
ask naman po!Ok po kayang bumile sa mga music stores sa Raon? dami kc dun eh ! Hinde ko alam kung authorized! <_<

There are several authorized shops in Raon... I think JB has a branch there. I'd stay away from really cheap gear though. Ika nga 'you never know what you gonna get'.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 11, 2012, 10:52:07 AM
Need your advise, Im planning to purchase a ALESIS io2 express and use it with my laptop, so can I indeed connect my guitar directly without any pre amps?

from here: http://homerecording.com/bbs/general-discussions/newbies/alesis-io2-sonar-fuzzy-problem-277610/

The io2 doesn't have any dedicated drivers - go figure - and you are require to use asio4all. This creates problems as far as configuration goes and if you read the bottom post, the writer was able to find a workaround. Personally, I'd rather invest in an interface with drivers and hardware I can depend on.

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jacobb45 on February 17, 2012, 02:03:05 AM
sir ask ko lng po kung pano mag record nang bass guitar sa pc?

kz po gus2 kong mag cover nang kanta eh...

and pano po kung me kasamang video?

hirap po kz eh meron po aqng guitar rig 5 na app tsaka amplitube 3 (with ASIO na po)

kaso pag naka saksak na ung bass guitar q sa line in..

hnd naman tumutunog dun sa gr5 or amplutube 3..

p help nmn po thanks in advance..
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on February 17, 2012, 10:58:37 AM
sir ask ko lng po kung pano mag record nang bass guitar sa pc?

kz po gus2 kong mag cover nang kanta eh...

and pano po kung me kasamang video?

hirap po kz eh meron po aqng guitar rig 5 na app tsaka amplitube 3 (with ASIO na po)

kaso pag naka saksak na ung bass guitar q sa line in..

hnd naman tumutunog dun sa gr5 or amplutube 3..

p help nmn po thanks in advance..

Bawal text spelling!!!

Check mo input settings sa software mo.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jacobb45 on February 17, 2012, 06:15:51 PM
paseynsya po sir..

chineck ko naman po ung sa audio settings eh..
tumutunog naman ung line in..
tsaka ung settings ko dun sa gr5 asio lng naman po pero hnd nmn natunog...
kz sinunod ko lng tung tutorial eh ..click lng nila ung asio dun then ok na cla..
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on February 18, 2012, 01:24:30 PM
Hi sir kitc or anyone who can check this out.


 Question about another possible set up. This time using a behringer uca - 202 connected to a soundcraft spirit f1. Will I still need a di or pre amp  for a guitar that's used to connect to it? Or can I plug it straight?

I'm thinking as an alternative, I can use my marshall 10w amp, plug the guitar in and use the head phone output and use it to connect the amp to the mixer.

Any suggestion on this one?
I'm trying to choose from the uca-202 or a alesis io2.

Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kelen on February 19, 2012, 12:40:01 PM
sir, ang balak ko gawin is to make my computer part of the effects chain. bale ang gagawin ko ay gagamitin ko yung fast track para mainput ko yung guitar. ang di ko alam ay kung paano yung output from fast track/pc to amp. thanks
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: packyshingha on February 19, 2012, 02:11:39 PM
Mga Sir, Specially Sir KitC:
boss pano po kaya gawin yung effects ng owl city? i mean ung synthesizer na gamit dun, gusto ko po mamaster yun kung pano gumawa ng ganun, medyo marunong na ako gumamit ng mga VST instruments.. pero ndi ko magawa ung ganung style ng effects.. may idea po ba kayo or kahit plug-ins na free?


Thanks in advance.. :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 20, 2012, 12:11:13 PM
kaso pag naka saksak na ung bass guitar q sa line in..

line in ng ano? computer? you need an interface with an instrument input.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 20, 2012, 02:06:03 PM
Will I still need a di or pre amp  for a guitar that's used to connect to it? Or can I plug it straight?

You will need an instrument DI or preamp with instrument level inputs. Don't plug in straight to the line inputs unless it is a keyboard or some other device with line level outputs.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 20, 2012, 04:08:36 PM
Mga Sir, Specially Sir KitC:
boss pano po kaya gawin yung effects ng owl city? i mean ung synthesizer na gamit dun, gusto ko po mamaster yun kung pano gumawa ng ganun

How well do you know midi and synth programming? In most cases, the synths used by owl City were probably custom programmed (patches and arpeggios) so it won't be as easy as picking a preset and sounding immediately like him. I read that he works entirely in (Propellerheads) Reason but records to Pro Tools. His synths include a Nord Wave and Moog Voyager. Here's a list of the softsynths he uses:

Spectrasonics Omnisphere
Spectrasonics Trilian
Spectrasonics Stylus RMX
Korg Mono/Poly
Korg MS-20
Korg Polysix
Korg LegacyCell
Vienna Instruments
Digidesign Velvet
Synthogy Ivory
Drumagog
Native Instruments Kontact
Native Instruments Battery
Native Instruments Reaktor
Native Instruments Absynth
Native Instruments FM8
Native Instruments Massive
Native Instruments Guitar Rig
Native Instruments Alicia's Keys
He also uses Autotune...

As you can see, it's a very extensive list and AFAIK, Adam Young did the programming and recording himself although the produced sound tells me his music was mixed and mastered somewhere else.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: packyshingha on February 20, 2012, 05:43:26 PM
How well do you know midi and synth programming? In most cases, the synths used by owl City were probably custom programmed (patches and arpeggios) so it won't be as easy as picking a preset and sounding immediately like him. I read that he works entirely in (Propellerheads) Reason but records to Pro Tools. His synths include a Nord Wave and Moog Voyager. Here's a list of the softsynths he uses:

Spectrasonics Omnisphere
Spectrasonics Trilian
Spectrasonics Stylus RMX
Korg Mono/Poly
Korg MS-20
Korg Polysix
Korg LegacyCell
Vienna Instruments
Digidesign Velvet
Synthogy Ivory
Drumagog
Native Instruments Kontact
Native Instruments Battery
Native Instruments Reaktor
Native Instruments Absynth
Native Instruments FM8
Native Instruments Massive
Native Instruments Guitar Rig
Native Instruments Alicia's Keys
He also uses Autotune...

As you can see, it's a very extensive list and AFAIK, Adam Young did the programming and recording himself although the produced sound tells me his music was mixed and mastered somewhere else.

@Sir KitC Ah ganun po ba Sir.. Ang galing kasi ng mga mixed nya,  lately lang po kasi ako naHumaling sa Electronica / Pop... may inaayos pa po akong mixed ngayon eto po draft http://soundcloud.com/ejclores/will-it-hurt-super-final (http://soundcloud.com/ejclores/will-it-hurt-super-final) medyo madame pa pong kulang jan ..  <_<  Sorry sablay ang pagkakanta ko.. :(

kapag napakinggan nyo po bigyan nyo po ako ng suggestion para mapaganda ko pa ang tunog.. 3 days ko na pong inaayos yan.. Moog Voyager din po ang gamit kong synthesizer.. :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 21, 2012, 05:23:25 PM
Interesting that you got a voyager (pics or it didn't happen)  :wave: hehe

The synth intrudes with the vocals. what is the real focus of your song? vox or keys? that alone decides how you will mix your song.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: packyshingha on February 21, 2012, 05:35:46 PM
Interesting that you got a voyager (pics or it didn't happen)  :wave: hehe

The synth intrudes with the vocals. what is the real focus of your song? vox or keys? that alone decides how you will mix your song.

No Sir, Wala akong pangBili ng Moog Voyager.. :) what i mean is yung VST na gamit ko kasi moog din sya so hirap mamili ng sub category nya ang dameng pagpipilian ng tunog under kay moog synthesizer.. Vox po ang focus ko kasi yung keys yun lang naman paulit-ulit.hehe
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 21, 2012, 05:44:01 PM
Well, I just happened to download the iPad Animoog last Dec. which just cost me $0.99 because it was an introductory pricing. The only problem I have right now is midi control of the ipad since it requires an interface that isn't tops on my list right now but I digress.

EQ the synth. kill the mids so that it doesn't interfere with your vox. when it solos, thats the time it goes full spectrum (sort of). also try to use creative panning. for vox, all i can tell you is that you should sound more confident. I was listening to Walk Off the Earth's 'Someone I Used to Know'  earlier and I noticed how hugely different it was from the original Gotye version. it all boils down to vocals in a song.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: packyshingha on February 21, 2012, 06:06:53 PM
Well, I just happened to download the iPad Animoog last Dec. which just cost me $0.99 because it was an introductory pricing. The only problem I have right now is midi control of the ipad since it requires an interface that isn't tops on my list right now but I digress.

EQ the synth. kill the mids so that it doesn't interfere with your vox. when it solos, thats the time it goes full spectrum (sort of). also try to use creative panning. for vox, all i can tell you is that you should sound more confident. I was listening to Walk Off the Earth's 'Someone I Used to Know'  earlier and I noticed how hugely different it was from the original Gotye version. it all boils down to vocals in a song.

Thanks Sir.. Very informative.. kaya pala hindi masyado marinig yung vox kasi gawa ng mga mids ko... sige Sir pagAaralan ko din yung panning ng sa vocals.. usually gumagamit lang ako ng panning kapag may backup vocals..

Ang galing ng areglo ng "Walk Off the Earth's 'Someone I Used to Know"
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jacobb45 on February 22, 2012, 05:34:45 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41PCEHKuJ8L._AA115_.jpg)

sir ayan po ba kelangan q?

san po ba ako nakakabili nyan? at anong name nya?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kelen on February 22, 2012, 08:35:25 PM
sir, ang balak ko gawin is to make my computer part of the effects chain. bale ang gagawin ko ay gagamitin ko yung fast track para mainput ko yung guitar. ang di ko alam ay kung paano yung output from fast track/pc to amp. thanks

 :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: stompnoise on February 22, 2012, 11:49:17 PM
sir, ang balak ko gawin is to make my computer part of the effects chain. bale ang gagawin ko ay gagamitin ko yung fast track para mainput ko yung guitar. ang di ko alam ay kung paano yung output from fast track/pc to amp. thanks
best way is to use the output from the interface. kung walang out interface mo, I think pwede ung headphone out.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 23, 2012, 10:18:49 AM
sir, ang balak ko gawin is to make my computer part of the effects chain. bale ang gagawin ko ay gagamitin ko yung fast track para mainput ko yung guitar. ang di ko alam ay kung paano yung output from fast track/pc to amp. thanks

I normally do not recommend this since there are a LOT of things that can go wrong, especially during the recording process, or even during live. For one thing, interfacing with a computer can be notoriously buggy that's why we sometimes take 2 feeds during a guitar recording. One is effected by recording/miking up the amp so that we hear what the guitarist intended, the other is the raw guitar feed (uneffected) so we can add software fx as needed.

The thing about software is latency and I know of some guitarists who get their rhythm thrown off even with just a little latency. Worse case is returning the effected signal back into the mix where the latency can cause phasing if you make the mistake of mixing with the original sound.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kelen on February 23, 2012, 07:53:35 PM
for live setting sana. bale kukuha ko ng effects sa pc. I have seen bands using their computers as part of the effects chain. di ko alam kung  may ginagamit silang cable adaptor
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kelen on February 23, 2012, 08:08:37 PM
I'm talking about something like this. (http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg120/scaled.php?server=120&filename=effectsms4.jpg&res=medium)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 24, 2012, 09:41:21 AM
Yes, I'm aware of these.

Remember that you cannot just put such an interface into your chain because the M-audio's output in this case is line level. Most pedals have instrument level I/O so impedance mismatch is very prevalent is this case. The interface HAS to be the last fx in the chain, and even then, you can't just feed it's output back into a guitar amp. It can work as an insert fx as long as the insert loop uses line level impedances; even then most inserts are mono fx. In some cases, you can use the inserts of digital multifx since these are usually line level.

If the interface is the last in the chain, you have to feed its output to a mixer line input for proper impedance matching. This is so you could monitor the output of your chain. Even then, I've known of problems with routing especially if asio is not supported, although maudio usually has good asio support. Like I previously mentioned, latency will play a big role here, especially when it becomes audible.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: deliciouspapa on February 24, 2012, 03:10:11 PM
to reinforce what kitc said:  fire up your daw software and turn on input echo for your guitar track.  record your self playing everything you plan to play live while monitoring via headphones.  if you think you can live with the lag,  good for you.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: crazyvoice on February 26, 2012, 01:35:27 AM
hi guys im new here, also I already back read this thread.  :)

First of all my reason to write this is to look what equipment do i need first so i will be able to record my own music. I've read that m audio fast track is a nice thing to start and a Shure mic will do. I want to record my own voice with accompanied acoustic guitar my focus first is to my voice since i believe i can sing well than playing guitar. Any suggestion of other equipment do i needed to perform my recording by the way im on budget let say 3k-5k for the interface, and what particular mic model do i needed and where to buy those things or is it advisable to buy 2nd hand item. Is there any guide posted in this forum for installing the equipment with my pc. Any ideas is well appreciated!  :wave:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: deliciouspapa on February 26, 2012, 08:35:36 AM
hi guys im new here, also I already back read this thread.  :)

First of all my reason to write this is to look what equipment do i need first so i will be able to record my own music. I've read that m audio fast track is a nice thing to start and a Shure mic will do. I want to record my own voice with accompanied acoustic guitar my focus first is to my voice since i believe i can sing well than playing guitar. Any suggestion of other equipment do i needed to perform my recording by the way im on budget let say 3k-5k for the interface, and what particular mic model do i needed and where to buy those things or is it advisable to buy 2nd hand item. Is there any guide posted in this forum for installing the equipment with my pc. Any ideas is well appreciated!  :wave:

Get a decent condenser mic for vocals and acoustic stuff.  The Shure SM58 is great for live vocals and the SM57 for mic'ing amps.   

MXL990 and AT2020 are nice entry-level condenser mics.  Be aware that the cheap Behringer and Samson models are not true large diaphragm mics.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: crazyvoice on February 26, 2012, 06:05:07 PM
Get a decent condenser mic for vocals and acoustic stuff.  The Shure SM58 is great for live vocals and the SM57 for mic'ing amps.   

MXL990 and AT2020 are nice entry-level condenser mics.  Be aware that the cheap Behringer and Samson models are not true large diaphragm mics.

well thanks for the suggestion on mics i looked for it on the we and it looks great but as of now im focusing to look for a decent interface because  my Tito lend be a mic i dont know what model it is but it is a Behringer so im content to it by now. by the way im eyeing  maudio fast track but i wonder where to get it im thinking to go to Raon and look for is it advisable to buy stuff there?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 27, 2012, 09:47:08 AM
JB is the authorized distributor for M-audio products so I suggest looking there first when scouting for a Fast Track. If anything, you can be assured that the product is pristine and has an assured warranty. JB also has a branch in Raon but I forgot the name.

Its ok to start with dynamics when starting out. At least you don't need phantom power to drive that and dynamics are usually more durable save for the cheap jobs that have plastic bodies and grills. Train your ears first. As you gain experience and a discerning ear, you can step up to condensers and better equipment.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: crazyvoice on February 27, 2012, 10:01:43 PM
Hi guys i saw M-Audio JamLab USB Interface is it good also for vocals? You know im not expecting great output with it but at least a decent one for starting out.

saw this vid also from youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubRqbA0S-gA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubRqbA0S-gA)

 on its description it stated that he used Jam Lab to all of his instrument well its sounds pretty good or he has done so much editing with it?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 28, 2012, 09:47:26 AM
The jamlab was created specifically for instrument input only, namely guitars. There is no line input or mic input either, so recording vocals is a no-go with this device.

The recording you hear in youtube has, of course, been polished to some degree. Guitar is too forward in my opinion, but that's just me.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: crazyvoice on February 28, 2012, 11:19:20 AM
Thanks for that Sir Kit!

I almost buy this one    :| maybe i should settle for maudio fast track. im eager to try some recording now im tired of using my headset mic  on recording  then hearing annoying hiss sound :idea:

The nearest place for me to look into of recording equips is Raon so i think i should window shopped first there after school, one of these days!  :drool:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: technical1 on February 28, 2012, 01:46:01 PM
me tanong ako sir kit pero basahin ko muna simula sa umpisa itong thead na to baka me nagtanong na e haha  ^-^

 :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: axebass26 on March 02, 2012, 01:22:50 PM
pasintabi po magtatanong lang, saan pa po ba may available na m-audio delta 1010 pci lt at magkano po kaya ito ngayon?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 02, 2012, 01:35:18 PM
pasintabi po magtatanong lang, saan pa po ba may available na m-audio delta 1010 pci lt at magkano po kaya ito ngayon?

Subukan mo sa JB kung may stocks pa sila, o kaya sa Pro Audio Classifieds.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: axebass26 on March 02, 2012, 01:39:39 PM
Subukan mo sa JB kung may stocks pa sila, o kaya sa Pro Audio Classifieds.

if ever wala, ano kayang soundcard ang pwedeng ipang substitute dito?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 03, 2012, 01:20:36 PM
if ever wala, ano kayang soundcard ang pwedeng ipang substitute dito?

Depende sa computer mo. Pwede naman mga usb2 na interface tulad ng fast track o focusrite saffire. Ilang inputs ba kelangan mo?

Remember, pci ang 1010LT. Kung bago ang pc mo at walang pci slots, then usb o firewire ang mga option mo. May mga pcie na soundcards pero may kamahalan ang mga yun.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: samuelfianza on March 04, 2012, 02:43:57 AM
Line 6 UX1 vs. M-Audio Fast Track?

they're both USD 149.99
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 04, 2012, 11:22:18 AM
If you're primarily guitar oriented, I'd say UX1, but the Fast Track has a mic preamp... let your needs decide.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: phrygian on March 26, 2012, 08:42:35 AM
My first audio interface was M-audio Fast track pro, its lowest latency value is 128 and its not usb2, it wasnt stable for my computer even at its lowest 41khz resolution when recording and mixing. I bought my new Roland Quad-capture I like it that I record at 192khz resolution without problems and its usb2. very stable.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ckor10 on March 30, 2012, 03:44:58 PM
My first audio interface was M-audio Fast track pro, its lowest latency value is 128 and its not usb2, it wasnt stable for my computer even at its lowest 41khz resolution when recording and mixing. I bought my new Roland Quad-capture I like it that I record at 192khz resolution without problems and its usb2. very stable.

Do you lived here in philippines?If yes!where Did You bought the Roland quad capture??.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ckor10 on March 30, 2012, 03:48:20 PM
Sir Kitc!Ask nman about sa Graphics Card na applicable for Computer Rcording! >:D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on March 30, 2012, 03:54:26 PM
Sir Kitc!Ask nman about sa Graphics Card na applicable for Computer Rcording! >:D

Huh???????
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: phrygian on March 30, 2012, 04:34:15 PM
 
Do you lived here in philippines?If yes!where Did You bought the Roland quad capture??.
hinde nasa US ako. Using it with sonar 8.5.3 producer , windows 7 64bit  2.8 ghz 8Gb ram.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ckor10 on March 31, 2012, 01:27:39 AM
Huh???????

Video Card po!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: crazyvoice on March 31, 2012, 05:28:53 AM
Ahm, im not great in music recording ha, but in my knowledge sa PC i think you dont need a high end GPU for recording maybe a decent sound card though.

By the way if your looking for a video card get at least 9500GT of Nvidia or HD4350 of AMD. GPU with the price range of 1k-2k will provide you a good service, unless your into PC gaming you will need a more high end GPU, GTX 460, HD5770 indeed
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 31, 2012, 05:08:15 PM
Sir Kitc!Ask nman about sa Graphics Card na applicable for Computer Rcording! >:D

Any will actually do, including onboard graphics, at least sa mga current mobos. Just don't go overboard and buy the latest and greatest since most graphics cards have a sneaky way of trying to get the most cpu cycles they can.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 31, 2012, 05:12:25 PM
By the way if your looking for a video card get at least 9500GT of Nvidia or HD4350 of AMD. GPU with the price range of 1k-2k will provide you a good service, unless your into PC gaming you will need a more high end GPU, GTX 460, HD5770 indeed

I'm actually using a GTS 450, which was good enough for Starcraft. Actually wanted the 5770... Anyway, like I said in the previous post, don't go for the most powerful. Among other things, they can generate a lot of heat so mid-level is usually the way to go, unless you're into rendering video. Always design you're computer according to how you will use it. If for video, then use the best vidcard you can afford. Of course, for audio, cram it with the best audio card you can afford and optimize it accordingly.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ckor10 on April 01, 2012, 08:13:27 AM
thanks po sa responses. :wave: yun nga po minsan dahilan eh!Video cards can affect or cause drop outs pag recording! ung current video card ko kce ,yung Driver nia ung pinopoint out ng latencymon(DPC latency checker). updated nman ung drivers. kapag dinisable ko ung driver ng graphics card,bumaba ung rate. anyways tnx po sa advice.try ko po ung suggestion nio.current video card ko po kc Nvidia Geforce 210 1gb ddr3.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ckor10 on April 01, 2012, 08:56:39 AM
I'm actually using a GTS 450, which was good enough for Starcraft. Actually wanted the 5770... Anyway, like I said in the previous post, don't go for the most powerful. Among other things, they can generate a lot of heat so mid-level is usually the way to go, unless you're into rendering video. Always design you're computer according to how you will use it. If for video, then use the best vidcard you can afford. Of course, for audio, cram it with the best audio card you can afford and optimize it accordingly.
kamusta nmn po yung video card nio? hinde po ba nakakapekto kpag nagrerecord kayu?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 02, 2012, 08:17:56 AM
It's doing ok, relatively silent as far as vidcards go (and it's audible compared to my previous passive-cooling 2600HD Pro), and given that it has 2 DVI ports, I'm sorely tempted to go dual screen as soon as I can find a way to justify it to the wifey. hehe If I had an lcd tv with HDMI, that would be the next option.

The thing that's giving me trouble now either seems to be my ram or the mobo's memory controller/chipset. Unfortunately, there's no diagnostics for the mobo, although running primetest95 helped me identify a potentially bad stick of ram. Time to go for a 2x2 Gb configuration... sigh.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: ckor10 on April 02, 2012, 09:04:09 AM
haha!Congrats sa future dual monitor mo sir. By the way. ask ko lng kung ilang watts ung powersupply nio sa CPU nio?hehe tnx sir>
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 02, 2012, 10:49:56 AM
Using a 550w corsair true power. While recommendations may say higher, I feel confident with the Corsair since it's been pretty stable for the last couple of years except now. I just cleaned everything; even put new thermal grease on everything with a heatsink on the mobo, but I worry about the ram. Anyway, haven't done any recording on that pc in recent memory so I'm in no rush. Wifey uses it for fb when I'm at work anyway so no biggie.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: xelalien on April 02, 2012, 01:57:38 PM
question: anyone here tried recording using Linux (via Ardour)?

ot: happy bday sir KitC!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 02, 2012, 03:28:59 PM
Thanks, Neil!

I tried with ubuntu dati but it was too much work to configure everything. When time is not an issue, will experiment again.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: deliciouspapa on April 02, 2012, 08:38:02 PM
question: anyone here tried recording using Linux (via Ardour)?

here.  gui is not as polished, but usable.  you'll be left wanting if you depend on vst stuff. but, otherwise, it's very usable if you have a linux-compatible interface.  i'm running ubuntu 11.10 with an alesis io2 and it works very well for tracking.  not sure if i'd want to master with it, though. 
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 03, 2012, 10:31:33 AM
Good you got it working. I ran into a brickwall looking for alsa drivers for my 1820m. WINE was no big help either, plus the absolute lack of vst plugin support practically kills most efforts.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kuwerdaslapuertas on April 04, 2012, 10:38:30 AM
mga bossing, lately nag reformat ako ng laptop into Windows 7 Ultimate. Dati ang setup ko lang eh Guitar -> V-AMP2 -> PC connected by a 1/4 stereo plug into the mic jack. Zero latency. Real time monitoring talaga. After ng reformat, biglang nagkaroon ng latency? kulang ba ko ng driver o nagkaproblema yun soundcard ko? I am skeptical purchasing a USB link dahil baka ganun din kung laptop na may problema since gumagana naman dati...

Thanks sa lahat ng sasagot  :-(
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 04, 2012, 10:46:18 AM
Let me guess... formerly XP with asio4all, now win7ultimate with asio4all din? This is not the first time I've encountered this.

I believe asio4all has not been optimized for win7 WASAPI driver protocols. I think the WDM drivers included in win7 are not as efficient as they were in XP, that's why MS was pushing for their WASAPI protocol. Unfortunately, V-AMP ang gamit mo and Behri is exceedingly poor in making asio drivers for their gear. FYI, asio works very well in win7, even 64-bit.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kuwerdaslapuertas on April 04, 2012, 11:06:19 AM
Let me guess... formerly XP with asio4all, now win7ultimate with asio4all din? This is not the first time I've encountered this.

I believe asio4all has not been optimized for win7 WASAPI driver protocols. I think the WDM drivers included in win7 are not as efficient as they were in XP, that's why MS was pushing for their WASAPI protocol. Unfortunately, V-AMP ang gamit mo and Behri is exceedingly poor in making asio drivers for their gear. FYI, asio works very well in win7, even 64-bit.

Actually Sir KitC, windows 7 starter siya before. if I remember it correctly, ASIO4ALL was also installed in my laptop cause it came with my FL9. First time nangyari sakin to and it's very frustrating  :cry: What do I do Sir KitC? Do I need to replace my OS with starter again? It's kinda slow and hindi masyado customizable..
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 04, 2012, 10:50:41 PM
Are they both 32- or 64-bit? I'm beginning to suspect that it's the 64-bit OS that has problems with WDM/WASAPI latency. Possibly even compatibility of asio4all with win7 is suspect.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kuwerdaslapuertas on April 05, 2012, 09:22:49 AM
Correct, sir. It's 64 bit.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 06, 2012, 12:14:54 PM
Seems to me you have to rollback to the 32-bit version of win7. Like I said, I've been noticing this with asio4all and 64-bit systems. Worse case is to get an interface with true asio 64-bit support.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: e-guitar on April 11, 2012, 07:52:38 AM
hi mga sir! ask ko lang po kung san po kaya pwede makabili LOCALLY ng Brand New na Behringer UCG102?
yung ganto:

(http://www.behringer.com/assets/UCG102_P0198_Reflective_web.png)


or ano po kaya mga recording interface na pwede niyo marecommend beside dito na readily available sa Philippine market?? Thanks po!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on April 11, 2012, 11:46:21 AM
In-tune

Meron sa Robinsons Galeria.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on April 29, 2012, 08:50:51 PM
Hi guys,

 Finally, I got myself a toneport ux1 - I just noticed earlier that there's a letency when I'm recording.

Here's the laptops specs:
Intel i3
2gb ram
700gb hdd

And my daw is sonar 8.
Hope to hear from you soon.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on April 30, 2012, 09:29:47 AM
Hi guys,

 Finally, I got myself a toneport ux1 - I just noticed earlier that there's a letency when I'm recording.

Here's the laptops specs:
Intel i3
2gb ram
700gb hdd

And my daw is sonar 8.
Hope to hear from you soon.

Thanks.

Install drivers from asio4all.com and under audio interface choose asio4all.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on April 30, 2012, 09:57:59 AM
I do have asio installed, the driver that's selected on sonar is wdm/wks. So that's what I'm replacins with the asio right? Thanks.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on April 30, 2012, 11:37:16 AM
I do have asio installed, the driver that's selected on sonar is wdm/wks. So that's what I'm replacins with the asio right? Thanks.

Choose asio instead of wdm.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on May 01, 2012, 01:13:33 PM
hey sir Skin, you really made my day. Thank you very much for the help. Hehe.

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on May 04, 2012, 07:48:40 AM
Thanks for the assist, skin.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on June 03, 2012, 01:12:59 PM
Good day!

Just got my guitar rig 3. But I'm having bad latency while using it.

The audio midi settings is at asio,set on 4400 bit and the output latency is at 54ms.

Can you recommened a good setting for it?
Thank you much.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 04, 2012, 09:07:10 AM
Jake, latency is more dependent on your audio interface more than anything else. What are you using? If your interface supports asio drivers, use those instead. There is usually a control panel where you can adjust latency; adjust as low as it can go. Remember that your cpu power also determines how much you can minimize latency before audio artifacts become audible.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on June 04, 2012, 11:28:22 AM
I'm using a ux1 sir kit.
Before I was using gearbox, pod farm, and amplitube without no latency.

But ill try working on the guitar rig later.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 05, 2012, 10:03:43 AM
GR3 can be heavy on cpu esp. at low latencies, at least that's what I've noticed with the GR that comes with Sonar. Try to use asio as much as possible. I'm not a big fan of asio4all, but some say it improves latencies esp. when used with winXP.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: haxo55 on June 06, 2012, 03:41:14 AM
Good day sirs, i need an advice kung anong hardwares ang kakaylanganin ko para makapagsetup ako ng
drum mics gusto ko sana yung mamanipulate ko fully kada mic per tom/snare/etc etc,
all i have here nga pala is a laptop with sonar le, bose speakers and a 5 pc drum crash/ride/hats pa lang meron for now.

thanks
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 06, 2012, 08:46:24 AM
Ideally, you will need a good room (not too dead, not too live), top and bottom mics for the snare, a really good kick mic, mics for each tom plus 2 overhead condensers, and an interface that can accept all those mics. If you have the moolah, try to get good condensers for distance miking, maybe even add a yamaha subkick, if you're really serious. (Hey, you said fully)

The most convenient setup is a 4 mic setup with a snare mic, kick mic and 2 overheads. This will allow you to use a 4-mic input interface, which can be a little bit steep compared to most other entry level audio interfaces. The best would be an 8 mic input interface a la the M-audio Fast Track 8R. Add to that the cost of (long) mic cables, and headphones for monitoring/talkback (plus maybe a headphone amp for long cable runs from the interface to recording position).
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: norm17 on June 06, 2012, 03:48:53 PM
Ok.... rather than set up a tutorial thread, let's make this into a Q & A sort of thread and the emphasis will be on setting up your PC regardless of the specs. Remember, however, that some pc configurations are not compatible with audio no matter what you do. Also remember that most pc's coming out today have a decided slant towards powerful video capabilities, something which often conflicts with glitch-free audio performance. If you are decided about great audio performance, you will have to give up great video performance (which means you will have to give up that 8800GTXProMillenium+1 and go for a considerably less powerful vidcard).

I know this thread will get unusually long so I will be adding to it as time progresses. Any pertinent info will be added to this initial post and I suggest that anyone posting new questions refer to this first post so we can avoid duplication.

Let's start...

One of the most important considerations when choosing a pc for recording happens to be not the pc, but the SOFTWARE.

Strange, but true. It is the software that determines what soundcard you will use, and what the minimum requirements are for running that software. Word of advice about minimum requirements... follow that and your pc/software combi will function, but just barely. You need to factor something like 150% of the minimum just to have something workable; so if the minimum cpu is 1 GHz, you really need at least 1.5 GHz to be able to do any real work... 200% to 300% of minimum is suggested.

Software also determines the platform you will use. Sonar, Audition, Wavelab and Soundforge are strictly pc while Logic, Digital Performer, Bias Peak and Soundhack are mac. ProTools, Cubase and Nuendo are dual-platform applications. Let's not turn this thread into a mac vs. pc thread because, in my view, these are nothing but tools... machines that are designed for a purpose. Each has it's strengths and weaknesses and I'd rather we concentrate on how we can maximize the usefulness of these tools. No mac vs. pc flame wars, get it?

Now that you've decided your software, if you do some digging into its feature, you will often find a list of compatible soundcards that go with it. Please, please choose a soundcard with a known compatibility. If you decide to use that cheap 300 peso CMI soundcard or USB cdrking sound dongle, your on your own. I have nothing against using inexpensive gear but often you will find that support is sometimes non-existent or that drivers are POS and are hardly updated. To add insult to injury, the performance of these cheap cards are often not up to par and sound quality often suffers. You CAN use these cards (I did not say you can't), but you will have to work extra hard to get even demo quality sound from them so if you decide to go that route, don't forget that I told you so. I have used soundblaster cards early in my delvings into digital audio and over the years, my ears have become attuned to what they can do well, and what they cannot. I will say that blasters are good for learning the craft.

Now, finally, the pc...

So you got your software and you've chosen your soundcard... now what? Put it all in that pre-assembled pc and then click on that record button in your software and hope you nail that perfect take? NOT!

Most pre-assembled pcs skimp on some important very important parts like the motherboard, ram, vidcard, power supply... you name it. Even Dells are guilty of this fact plus, pre-assembleds are more tuned towards office applications and the occasional game or 2. Audio pcs are a different breed. Audio pcs eschew 3D video performance in favor of increased audio capability. Capabilities like low latency, high track counts, quiet operation and very good 2D screen redraw performance (playback of movie videos is also a consideration for post production suites).

Some soundcards are also picky about the motherboard chipset. Research well on the chipsets that go with your soundcard. You don't want a repeat of that Via debacle that happened with soundblasters. Via chipsets starting with the KT166 were horrible with computer audio; it was only with the K8T800 Pro chipset that Via redeemed itself. Intel chipsets were stable with the i865 chipset, but the i915 and i925 were disappointing for some; the present 975XBX and 965P chipsets are proving to be very good performers. Nforce chipsets were quite good up to Nforce3, the Nforce4 was a disappointment plus the combination of pcie proved to be a real problem. If you already have chosen your software, it pays to lurk in their user forums since they often post which motherboards work well - that's how I happened to choose my present day N3 mobo.

So what does this mean for most pc-based platforms? DIY systems are the way to go. You get to choose your own parts and you can most likely get the best and most compatible components for your needs. At times you can save a lot by going DIY but you then have the responsibility of installing the OS, tweaking it for audio  and installing all the software and hardware; a process that can take 2 or 3 days at least. Mac users have it easy, their machines just work out of the box but they have to pay for that ease of use (I call it the 2:1 ratio but lets not go into that).

There are lots more to discuss but let's take it one step at a time.

hi sir KitC thanks for this post...it's very informative :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: haxo55 on June 07, 2012, 03:37:57 PM
thanks sir kitC, masisimulan ko na ang research ulit and hunting ng gamit :D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 08, 2012, 04:56:40 PM
@norm17 - glad you liked that post although I wrote it several years ago. Some info may be dated but the principles still remain the same.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: niroh on June 16, 2012, 12:19:24 PM
Sir KitC thank you po sa info!  :-D what a big help. . ., nasabi nyo po ang about sa soundcard. . . how about po sa

sa audio interfaces?  :?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on June 16, 2012, 01:02:00 PM
Sir KitC thank you po sa info!  :-D what a big help. . ., nasabi nyo po ang about sa soundcard. . . how about po sa

sa audio interfaces?  :?

Sound card = audio interface
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 16, 2012, 03:43:22 PM
To clarify, let's just say that soundcards were originally that... cards, or better yet, expansion cards since these were circuit boards installed in the expansion slots of computers. Audio interface is the all encompassing term for devices that serve as input/output devices for audio.

So, whenever we are referring to soundcards, you can be sure that these are expansion boards that reside inside a computer, while usb and firewire audio devices can be referred to as audio interfaces.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: joshuacarlos on June 26, 2012, 11:00:29 AM
where can i get guitar rig 3 or 4? and how much?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on June 26, 2012, 11:34:50 AM
If you have a creditcard you can but it on the ni site.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: joshuacarlos on June 27, 2012, 01:19:12 PM
ano magandang plugin for vocals? i use ableton live and line 6 ux1. and meron po ba na plugins na free na recommended? thanks sir
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 27, 2012, 08:52:12 PM
Try here: www.vst4free.com

and here: http://abletonlife.com/top-5-free-vst-plugins-for-ableton-live

I used to use digitalfishphones Blockfish compressor a lot, until I got VC64 which came with Sonar.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: pualux on June 28, 2012, 06:00:29 AM
boss ok lang ba laging naka on yung usb audio interface? specifically yung bus powered na interface

plano ko kasi gamiting permanent na soundcard para kahit nagyoyoutube ako gamit ko parin studio monitors...wala bang masisira?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on June 28, 2012, 08:16:26 AM
boss ok lang ba laging naka on yung usb audio interface? specifically yung bus powered na interface

plano ko kasi gamiting permanent na soundcard para kahit nagyoyoutube ako gamit ko parin studio monitors...wala bang masisira?

ganyan setup ko ngayon bro. hindi dapat masisira yung audio interface mo kasi designed yan dapat na naka-on ng maraming oras.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: chocotech27 on June 28, 2012, 12:10:09 PM
Sir ask lang po wala po lumalabas na tunog sa guitar ko pag nagamit ako ng sonar. pero sa guitar rig meron namn... ano po kaya problem nun??? headphone jack po gamit ko connection to may lap top.

one more,,, pwede ba pag sa bayin ang sonar at guitar rig i mean gagamitin mo sya for recording sa sonar?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on June 28, 2012, 01:07:18 PM
Yes its very possible. Check input monitoring so that you can hear it on sonar too.

And you can use them both the same time.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: chocotech27 on June 28, 2012, 01:46:30 PM
Yes its very possible. Check input monitoring so that you can hear it on sonar too.

And you can use them both the same time.

Thanks sir... yung isa ko pang question sir kung tutunog ba sya kahit Guitar cable to headphone plug lang ang gamit ko, or kylangan ko pa nung USB interface?? :-) thanks sir! ^-^
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on June 29, 2012, 05:40:14 PM
pwede ba pag sa bayin ang sonar at guitar rig i mean gagamitin mo sya for recording sa sonar?

you can use Guitar Rig within Sonar as a vst fx.

Thanks sir... yung isa ko pang question sir kung tutunog ba sya kahit Guitar cable to headphone plug lang ang gamit ko, or kylangan ko pa nung USB interface?? :-) thanks sir! ^-^

?!

guitar cable straight to line or mic input? kapag line input, impedance mismatch. madaling mag distort ang signal at mahina ang gain. pag mic input, shorted ang +5VDC to ground - you risk killing the mic input with some laptops.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: pualux on July 01, 2012, 06:43:42 PM
ganyan setup ko ngayon bro. hindi dapat masisira yung audio interface mo kasi designed yan dapat na naka-on ng maraming oras.
salamat boss!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alittleless16 on July 09, 2012, 02:03:01 AM
Hello all! Just need a little help with recording guitar using my pc.

I'm experiencing input delay kasi. I'm using Adobe Soundbooth. Naalala ko naginstall na ako ng ASIO drivers. Yung guitar ko po nakasaksak sa jack(parang converter) na nakasaksak naman dun sa blue input sa mobo ko.

Please advise on how to fix it. Thanks!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on July 09, 2012, 01:10:52 PM
I'm experiencing input delay kasi. I'm using Adobe Soundbooth. Naalala ko naginstall na ako ng ASIO drivers. Yung guitar ko po nakasaksak sa jack(parang converter) na nakasaksak naman dun sa blue input sa mobo ko.

ugh... you're using the line in with a direct cable probably. this will cause your sound to change and this setup easily overloads the input - better if you have a proper interface such as the ones from Line6 or similar.

since you're using your mobo and not a true interface, your asio performance will not be optimal. try substituting asio4all drivers and work from there. some say there is a marked improvement in latency, but having used true asio drivers, I'll stick with a real interface.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alittleless16 on July 11, 2012, 03:01:46 AM
Thanks for replying sir. Actually naginstall nga ako ng ASIO4all kaso wala improvement. Magkano po yung interface?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on July 11, 2012, 09:05:15 AM
Thanks for replying sir. Actually naginstall nga ako ng ASIO4all kaso wala improvement. Magkano po yung interface?

Depende bro sa interface na bibilhin mo. Napakar :-)aming klase ng audio interface from 1-input(Line6 UX1) to 32-inputs(Behringer X32)s. Meron ding may built-in mic(Samson G-track) or may built-in multiFX(Line6 X3live). Kung nag-Uumpisa ka plang bro go for Line6 UX1. Marami ka nang magagawa dun.  :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on July 11, 2012, 11:57:34 AM
Thanks for replying sir. Actually naginstall nga ako ng ASIO4all kaso wala improvement.

You're working within the limitations of your motherboard's audio drivers and as you can see, the onboard audio is not an optimal recording device. Practically speaking, onboard audio is mostly geared for audio playback and not recording.

As for the interface, like Xelly says, the UX1 is a good choice for beginners. Are you using a guitar amp with a line level output? You can use that direct with the line in, but a word of caution... if you do not know how to identify a line level out from other kinds of outs with your amp, stick to getting an interface. You might end up burning your mobo if you plug in the wrong output.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: pualux on July 11, 2012, 08:46:37 PM
sino may experience with roland's octacapture? ok ba?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on July 12, 2012, 10:14:04 PM
For a condenser mic connected to a ux1, we still use a mic preamp right? Or what set up can you recommend guys?

Thanks
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on July 13, 2012, 11:06:01 AM
The UX1 does not have phantom power so most powered condensers will not work and you will require a preamp with phantom power. You can get something like a Samson S-phantom so that it supplies power to the condenser instead.

(http://www.samsontech.com/site_media/cms/images/product/samson/processors/s-class-mini/sphantom/S-phantom-display.jpg)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on July 13, 2012, 12:33:22 PM
Thanks sir kit.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: 09thfret on July 13, 2012, 07:50:20 PM
sweet thread  :-D :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: janryl0016 on July 16, 2012, 03:11:49 AM
Hi Sir Kit, can i ask you a few question  :-\

i got a Bass Guitar, a Laptop which is a Sony Vaio on 64bit with sub-woofer and speakers. And I do all my bass lessons and bass playing here at home since i don't have a good sounding bass amplifier.

My Setup is Direct Input to the mic using 3.5mm jack.

Well my question is:

Every time that my guitar cable is being touched or because of my playing movements it does make scratchy sound , yes because the 3.5mm jack is not on a stable position, i mean it can be move clockwise or counterclockwise and that's the reason of the scratchy sound,   

well i'm planning to buy Behringer Guitar Link UCG102, pero pareho lang ba if compared to the 3.5mm jack?

* Guitar - Cable - 3.5mm jack - PC
* Guitar - Cable - Guitar Link - PC

gagamitin ko yung guitar link  as a 3.5mm jack (Direct Input) puwede kaya yun?  :?

kasi most of times, plug and play kasi ginagawa ko eh, plug my guitar to PC, tapos play music on Itunes then sasabayan ko nalang. Yung Guitar Link kaya? :oops: although my software na kasama yung G-Link puwede rin kaya Alt+Tab'n yun?  :-(



Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on July 16, 2012, 07:55:14 AM
Hi Sir Kit, can i ask you a few question  :-\

i got a Bass Guitar, a Laptop which is a Sony Vaio on 64bit with sub-woofer and speakers. And I do all my bass lessons and bass playing here at home since i don't have a good sounding bass amplifier.

My Setup is Direct Input to the mic using 3.5mm jack.

Well my question is:

Every time that my guitar cable is being touched or because of my playing movements it does make scratchy sound , yes because the 3.5mm jack is not on a stable position, i mean it can be move clockwise or counterclockwise and that's the reason of the scratchy sound,   

well i'm planning to buy Behringer Guitar Link UCG102, pero pareho lang ba if compared to the 3.5mm jack?

* Guitar - Cable - 3.5mm jack - PC
* Guitar - Cable - Guitar Link - PC

gagamitin ko yung guitar link  as a 3.5mm jack (Direct Input) puwede kaya yun?  :?

kasi most of times, plug and play kasi ginagawa ko eh, plug my guitar to PC, tapos play music on Itunes then sasabayan ko nalang. Yung Guitar Link kaya? :oops: although my software na kasama yung G-Link puwede rin kaya Alt+Tab'n yun?  :-(

Naku put a tape on that mic input sa laptop mo.

Get the Behringer Guitar Link.  For your ground issues, try another cable.  Or puede rin yung jack sa bass guitar mo ang may issue.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: janryl0016 on July 16, 2012, 09:22:54 AM
Naku put a tape on that mic input sa laptop mo.

Get the Behringer Guitar Link.  For your ground issues, try another cable.  Or puede rin yung jack sa bass guitar mo ang may issue.

di naman ganun ka grabe eh.. mejo loose lang yung adapter.. waiting for sir kit to answer.. good day to us all..
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on July 16, 2012, 04:24:08 PM
di naman ganun ka grabe eh.. mejo loose lang yung adapter.. waiting for sir kit to answer.. good day to us all..

you don't trust my answer?...hehe...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on July 16, 2012, 04:33:35 PM
That's bad.
peace :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: janryl0016 on July 16, 2012, 10:27:39 PM
you don't trust my answer?...hehe...

lol :lol:, pacheck ko nalang muna wiring ko.. pero yung behringer ba sir, puwedeng gamitin ba?, or i should say .. diba it comes with a software.. pag clinose ba yung software gagana pa rin ba yung behringer,, di ko nmn magagamit yung mga effects dun masyado eh,... i prefer itunes.. play some music taz sasabay ... puwede kaya?.. hmmmm :-\
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on July 17, 2012, 10:09:24 AM
skin is right. never EVER use the mic input unless you know exactly how pc mic inputs work. even then, NEVER EVER use it for recording. just use the damn things for those headset mics.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on July 17, 2012, 11:50:43 AM
lol :lol:, pacheck ko nalang muna wiring ko.. pero yung behringer ba sir, puwedeng gamitin ba?, or i should say .. diba it comes with a software.. pag clinose ba yung software gagana pa rin ba yung behringer,, di ko nmn magagamit yung mga effects dun masyado eh,... i prefer itunes.. play some music taz sasabay ... puwede kaya?.. hmmmm :-\

I always use ASIO for my drivers.  What I usually do kung may gusto akong sabayan, naka track na yung music sa DAW ko tapos sabayan ko lang.  Pero outside the DAW, wala na sound.  Sa WDM puede.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: janryl0016 on July 17, 2012, 04:00:06 PM
I always use ASIO for my drivers.  What I usually do kung may gusto akong sabayan, naka track na yung music sa DAW ko tapos sabayan ko lang.  Pero outside the DAW, wala na sound.  Sa WDM puede.

ahhhh....pero beside behringer sir, ano pa ba puwedeng gamitin as a DI? tama ba pagkakatanong ko?  :eek:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on July 18, 2012, 05:58:05 AM
ahhhh....pero beside behringer sir, ano pa ba puwedeng gamitin as a DI? tama ba pagkakatanong ko?  :eek:

Puede yung guitar link.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: mokie on July 18, 2012, 09:01:55 AM
mga sir, ask ko lang at sana masagot.   :-D

ok lang ba kung hindi naka Texas Instruments Chipset yung Firewire IEEE 1394 add on card yung bibilhin ko for my presonus firestudio project?sa pc ko po ikakabit. thanks!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on July 18, 2012, 12:07:52 PM
ok lang ba kung hindi naka Texas Instruments Chipset yung Firewire IEEE 1394 add on card yung bibilhin ko for my presonus firestudio project?sa pc ko po ikakabit. thanks!

TI chipsets are the most recommended for firewire audio but others have had varying degrees of success with other chips. If it works for you, then good, but if it doesn't, make sure you can replace the card if needed.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on July 18, 2012, 12:19:23 PM
lol :lol:, pacheck ko nalang muna wiring ko.. pero yung behringer ba sir, puwedeng gamitin ba?, or i should say .. diba it comes with a software.. pag clinose ba yung software gagana pa rin ba yung behringer,, di ko nmn magagamit yung mga effects dun masyado eh,...

Depends on how you configure your system.

On mine, for ex., I can keep onboard sound enabled but playing only media players such as itunes, vlc and other, but my music apps access my audio soundcard exclusively. I can play audio through both systems simultaneously ( I once had 3 separate audio cards on top of my onboard sound working at one time); and my audio interface (Emu 1820m) allows me to play asio and wdm simultaneously! How many systems can do that?  :-D

On winxp, you can set things up so that your audio interface is not mapped through the windows system so that windows sounds do not access the audio card. In win7, the equivalent is granting applications exclusive control over the device.

The only caveat is that you will need a way to route audio from the motherboard and interface into your monitoring system. One way is to use the mobo's digital output and route that into your interface's digital input if it has one. The only caveat is that samplerate is dictated by the mobo output so you might have to sync to an inferior clock. If you have a mixer or some other form of monitor matrix controller, you can route several audio sources into a single monitoring system.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: janryl0016 on July 18, 2012, 07:07:47 PM
Puede yung guitar link.

ui puwede pala, search search muna ko for more reviews, Thanks sir Skin! :wave:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: mokie on July 18, 2012, 07:12:43 PM
hi mga sir, ask ko lang kung pwede ba to magwork para sa desktop? http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000I20QSQ/ref=asc_df_B000I20QSQ2101654?smid=A1QGIDACEIIO9M&tag=nextagusmp0359847-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395105&creativeASIN=B000I20QSQ

maraming salamat!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on July 19, 2012, 08:31:56 AM
hi mga sir, ask ko lang kung pwede ba to magwork para sa desktop? http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000I20QSQ/ref=asc_df_B000I20QSQ2101654?smid=A1QGIDACEIIO9M&tag=nextagusmp0359847-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395105&creativeASIN=B000I20QSQ

maraming salamat!

Why would you want a PCMCIA card on your desktop?  Why not buy a PCI card with a Firewire interface.  It's more logical.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on July 19, 2012, 09:38:01 AM
skin is right although I've encountered instances where the audio interface itself was a pcmcia/expresscard and for portability between desktop and laptop, a pci-to-pc card adapter was used for the desktop.

a simple firewire card is better for the desktop since it lessens complexity with your system. just make sure you get the right port since FW400 and FW800 are worlds apart.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alittleless16 on July 19, 2012, 06:09:29 PM
bale ano pinaka magandang(mura na din) alternative sa 3.5mm jack?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on July 20, 2012, 01:26:59 AM
bale ano pinaka magandang(mura na din) alternative sa 3.5mm jack?

Ano ang mura sa iyo?  Behringer Guitar Link costs around 2K.  M-Audio Fast Track or Line6 UX1 costs around 5K.

But these are 1/4th plug inputs.  If you are using a desktop and you want a really cheap alternative, look for an SBlive soundcard.  It has a 1/8th line-in input.  Costs around 500 or less 2nd hand.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alittleless16 on July 20, 2012, 03:09:22 PM
Ano ang mura sa iyo?  Behringer Guitar Link costs around 2K.  M-Audio Fast Track or Line6 UX1 costs around 5K.

But these are 1/4th plug inputs.  If you are using a desktop and you want a really cheap alternative, look for an SBlive soundcard.  It has a 1/8th line-in input.  Costs around 500 or less 2nd hand.

thank you sir! 500 is actually good. Tried to take care of the latency with the ASIO4ALL kaso wala din e.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: secretavenger234 on July 25, 2012, 10:47:11 AM
Hey guys. Just wanna ask what specs of pc would be perfect for home recording?

I got plenty of options like this MSI Wind Top Ae2210 ...

CPU   
Intel ® Core i3 2120 (3.3GHz)

OS   
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64 bit

Chipset   
Intel H61

Memory   
4GB DDR3

Graphics   
1.Integrated Intel® HD Graphics 2000

Panel Resolution   
21.5” 1920 x 1080, Full-HD

Touch Panel   
Multi Touch (Optional)

HDD   1TB
Optical Drive   
Tray-in DVD Super Multi

Audio   
  THX TRUSTUDIO PRO™

LAN   
10/100/1000

Wireless LAN   
802.11 b/g/n WiFi

Bluetooth   N/A
USB 3.0 port   
2 (1 Port with Super Charger)

USB 2.0 port   
4

Card Reader   YES
eSATA   N/A

TV Tuner   
Mini PCI-E interface (Optional)

Expansion Slot   
Mini-PCI-E slots x 2

HDMI in   N/A
HDMI out   
1

VGA in   N/A
VGA out   N/A
DVI-out   N/A
COM Port   N/A
Mic-in/Headphone-out   
1/1


AC Adapter   
120W / 150W


Will this do??

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on July 25, 2012, 10:57:16 AM
Yup it should work. Not unless you are planning to record massive tracks.

You can always check your daw's requirements, once you hace it, its much better you can get 2 step higher so you'll have plenty of room for adjustments.

Happy recording!:)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: secretavenger234 on July 25, 2012, 11:58:54 AM
Yup it should work. Not unless you are planning to record massive tracks.

You can always check your daw's requirements, once you hace it, its much better you can get 2 step higher so you'll have plenty of room for adjustments.

Happy recording!:)

What's daw? :p  This thing is only for guitars and bass tracks recording... And drum tracks (For Mixing only)
Will it do? Coupled with Protool and M-audio or presonus interface??


Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: secretavenger234 on July 25, 2012, 12:02:59 PM
Yup it should work. Not unless you are planning to record massive tracks.

You can always check your daw's requirements, once you hace it, its much better you can get 2 step higher so you'll have plenty of room for adjustments.

Happy recording!:)

What's daw? :p  This thing is only for guitars and bass tracks recording... And drum tracks (For Mixing only)
Will it do? Coupled with Protool and M-audio or presonus interface??


Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on July 25, 2012, 12:05:08 PM
What's daw? :p  This thing is only for guitars and bass tracks recording... And drum tracks (For Mixing only)
Will it do? Coupled with Protool and M-audio or presonus interface??

Digital Audio Workstation.

Kayang kaya na with your specs.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on July 25, 2012, 12:08:38 PM
Sir skin is correct.
That specs you have or planning to have is already good.
For me I'm using an intel i3 fujitsu lifebook, 500gbhd and a 2 gig ram bundle with sonar 8 and line 6 apps. It sure gets the work done.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: secretavenger234 on July 25, 2012, 12:16:00 PM
 :) :) Thanks a lot... Well any interface that you would recommend for Home Based recording? Yeah. I just figured that i'll save lots of money with this. While as for drum recording, it shall be done in a studio and just gonna copy the track to be edited, mixed in my rig.  For some other parts like guitar 1 , guitar 2 , bass and vocal tracks, i guess it'll be good enough for a DIY recording... Been planning USB interface like M- audio's Fast Track interface, Fast Track Pro, Fast Track C400... But anything more you want to add up on my options?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on July 25, 2012, 01:50:33 PM
:) :) Thanks a lot... Well any interface that you would recommend for Home Based recording? Yeah. I just figured that i'll save lots of money with this. While as for drum recording, it shall be done in a studio and just gonna copy the track to be edited, mixed in my rig.  For some other parts like guitar 1 , guitar 2 , bass and vocal tracks, i guess it'll be good enough for a DIY recording... Been planning USB interface like M- audio's Fast Track interface, Fast Track Pro, Fast Track C400... But anything more you want to add up on my options?

You can also check out Line6 UX1 / UX2.

You should also consider buying studio monitors and microphones.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: secretavenger234 on July 25, 2012, 07:35:19 PM
Yes.. My plan is to buy MXL v69 tube mogami edition... With a condenser of course... My first step is really a very good PC for recording
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: el.sol on August 01, 2012, 08:32:56 PM
Hi guys, Im planning to upgrade my w7 core2duo DDR2 AMD 4GBram PC to something higher. any suggestions?
DAW: reaper. interface: tascam US1800. inputs:upto 14 simultaeneously (with FX on)

Im planning to use my interface for live setup.like triggering my drum tracks, adding VST amps, using reverbs, preamps, etc with my DAW before going to my PA system.
the prob is im having clicking sound kung marami na maxadong tracks then nka.on yung FX nila.. then my computer hangs. Ive discussed with sir KitC na it might be my computer's specs that's no longer enough to suit my recording needs.

can anybody suggest kung ano kelangan ko na specs for this apps.. BTW, im quite tight on budget, cguro below 20K will do.PC lang po. medjo ignorant ako sa mac eh..

I would really appreciate your replies. thanks!

God bless! :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on August 01, 2012, 10:01:19 PM
Its kinda hard if will use a pc for that. Haven't heard of anyone who uses it.
Probably mac would be the best options, like what periphery does, they're using a mac for their effects and other tracks when performing.

Siguro try nten match yung specs ng mac to a pc, para atleast my basis.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on August 02, 2012, 10:03:48 AM
Hi guys, Im planning to upgrade my w7 core2duo DDR2 AMD 4GBram PC to something higher. any suggestions?
DAW: reaper. interface: tascam US1800. inputs:upto 14 [ice cream] (with FX on)

Im planning to use my interface for live setup.like triggering my drum tracks, adding VST amps, using reverbs, preamps, etc with my DAW before going to my PA system.
the prob is im having clicking sound kung marami na maxadong tracks then nka.on yung FX nila.. then my computer hangs. Ive discussed with sir KitC na it might be my computer's specs that's no longer enough to suit my recording needs.

can anybody suggest kung ano kelangan ko na specs for this apps.. BTW, im quite tight on budget, cguro below 20K will do.PC lang po. medjo ignorant ako sa mac eh..

I would really appreciate your replies. thanks!

God bless! :-D

Try getting a separate PCI card with USB 2.0 slots and plug your Tascam US1800 there.  Check if you still have crackling sounds.  Are you on ASIO or WDM?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: el.sol on August 02, 2012, 05:27:54 PM
@skin: ASIO ser. how much kaya yung additional PCI USB port? what's the diff between the PCI USB port VS the on board ports in terms of performance? same naman cla USB 2.0  :-(
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: IamChainess on August 02, 2012, 11:58:29 PM
* Guitar - Cable - 3.5mm jack - PC
* Guitar - Cable - Guitar Link - PC


Sir KitC, regarding this, pwede po bang ang set-up eh

Guitar - Cable - Effects - Cable - Amp - Cable - Guitar Link - PC?  :cute:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 03, 2012, 12:16:34 AM
It should be guitar - cable - guitar link - usb cable - pc.

In theory, when using pedal fx, you can go guitar - cable - fx - cable - guitar link - pc

When using multifx, the output that goes to the guitar amp should be cabled to the guitar link. If you want to monitor the signal, connect the guitar link headphone out to your amp's stereo aux in or line in if it has one.

As you can see in the examples above, the amp is completely disregarded because the assumption is that you will want to use amp simulators. What kind of amp do you have and what are its outputs and auxes?

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: IamChainess on August 03, 2012, 02:59:51 AM
It should be guitar - cable - guitar link - usb cable - pc.

In theory, when using pedal fx, you can go guitar - cable - fx - cable - guitar link - pc

When using multifx, the output that goes to the guitar amp should be cabled to the guitar link. If you want to monitor the signal, connect the guitar link headphone out to your amp's stereo aux in or line in if it has one.

As you can see in the examples above, the amp is completely disregarded because the assumption is that you will want to use amp simulators. What kind of amp do you have and what are its outputs and auxes?

Salamat po sir! akala ko kelangan pa ng amp.  :wave:  my current amp is fender reverb 20 (I dunno the exact term?) I guess I might look for a good software  :lol:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on August 03, 2012, 07:58:40 AM
@skin: ASIO ser. how much kaya yung additional PCI USB port? what's the diff between the PCI USB port VS the on board ports in terms of performance? same naman cla USB 2.0  :-(

Ito P300 bago.  http://www.tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=18618598

Shared resources ang USB.  I'm sure may iba ka pang nakasaksak sa USB mo.  Unlike if you have PCI USB ports, just dedicate your audio device here.

For reference.
http://www.ehmac.ca/mac-iphone-ipad-ipod-help-troubleshooting/36825-usb-hub-vs-usb-pci-card-any-difference.html
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: secretavenger234 on August 03, 2012, 08:59:37 AM
Hey guys. Just wanna ask what specs of pc would be perfect for home recording?

I got plenty of options like this MSI Wind Top Ae2210 ...

CPU   
Intel ® Core i3 2120 (3.3GHz)

OS   
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64 bit

Chipset   
Intel H61

Memory   
4GB DDR3

Graphics   
1.Integrated Intel® HD Graphics 2000

Panel Resolution   
21.5” 1920 x 1080, Full-HD

Touch Panel   
Multi Touch (Optional)

HDD   1TB
Optical Drive   
Tray-in DVD Super Multi

Audio   
  THX TRUSTUDIO PRO™

LAN   
10/100/1000

Wireless LAN   
802.11 b/g/n WiFi

Bluetooth   N/A
USB 3.0 port   
2 (1 Port with Super Charger)

USB 2.0 port   
4

Card Reader   YES
eSATA   N/A

TV Tuner   
Mini PCI-E interface (Optional)

Expansion Slot   
Mini-PCI-E slots x 2

HDMI in   N/A
HDMI out   
1

VGA in   N/A
VGA out   N/A
DVI-out   N/A
COM Port   N/A
Mic-in/Headphone-out   
1/1


AC Adapter   
120W / 150W


Will this do??



What's the difference between using MAC PRO or with MAC OS and the pC that i want to buy? Someone told me that recording a sound really makes a huge discrepancy with a good OS , soundcard??? Is it really true? Im really on a budget right now and i dont know if i should dig on MAC...HELP!


Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 03, 2012, 10:39:03 AM
Someone told me that recording a sound really makes a huge discrepancy with a good OS , soundcard???

The sad truth with most consumer operating systems today is that they are not optimized for the true 'real-time' requirements of multimedia recording, be it windows or macos or linux, although the latter can be optimized if you strip it down to just the needed components. There used to be tweaked versions of XP where you removed all the non-essentials such as networking, internet, and certain hardware not required for multimedia. For example, why put in a powerful video card when you are specializing the computer for audio? Video card drivers have been known to use up every last bit of cpu headroom just to achieve high frame rates.

Next, having great drivers are very important. Standard windows drivers are so-so; they were just meant for good audio playback with low regard for latency. Asio drivers appear to be the best standard nowadays so any audio card that doesn't support asio is almost always a 2nd or 3rd rate device.

If you will be using your pc for more than just audio, be aware that there will be compromises, but at least try to get the best audio interface you can afford that supports true asio, not asio4all. Next, get the best cpu you can afford and pair it with a very good motherboard. Another important item that is often overlooked is the power supply - get one that isn't generic and is more than capable of powering up your system. You will need the added power when you have several drives. Like I always save, have at least 2 drives, one for the system, and the other for your audio files.

When it comes to ram, 2GB used to be the max, but with win 7, it seems 4gb is now the minimum. More if your are using 64-bit but not much higher if you don't use ram-intensive programs such as samplers. Get good ram, not that generic stuff and make sure you get ones with good ratings. Yes, those X-X-X-XX X.XXv CL ratings mean something and pay attention to the speed of the ram. You don't need the highest speeds and lowest ratings, those are freakishly expensive, but don't get the cheapest ram either.

Finally, get a good case with good, silent fans and excellent ventilation. You don't need case and cpu fan that sound like jet engines in full afterburner everytime you fire up your workstation.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: secretavenger234 on August 03, 2012, 10:55:35 AM
 :-o whOA. I might resort to MAC PRO
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 03, 2012, 10:56:07 AM
Salamat po sir! akala ko kelangan pa ng amp.  :wave:  my current amp is fender reverb 20 (I dunno the exact term?) I guess I might look for a good software  :lol:

Reaper is actually quite good. Been checking a freeware called Darkwave Studio but it isn't exactly intuitive for most users. One area of it reminds me of Logic's environment.

Your Fender amp doesn't have an output that can plug into your interface so the previous routings I mentioned apply.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: el.sol on August 03, 2012, 04:45:02 PM
@skin: My inerface is the only one connected to my USB port.old skool pa kc mouse and keyboard ko hehe. pano yan? thanks for the links, will explore them din.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: IamChainess on August 03, 2012, 08:23:08 PM
Reaper is actually quite good. Been checking a freeware called Darkwave Studio but it isn't exactly intuitive for most users. One area of it reminds me of Logic's environment.

Your Fender amp doesn't have an output that can plug into your interface so the previous routings I mentioned apply.

Salamat po sir!  :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 03, 2012, 09:14:45 PM
@skin: ASIO ser. how much kaya yung additional PCI USB port? what's the diff between the PCI USB port VS the on board ports in terms of performance? same naman cla USB 2.0  :-(

what exactly is your motherboard? you could be using a usb 1.1 port. One more thing, you might have to check your bios since usb 2.0 is often referred to as 'Hi-speed' while usb 1.1 is 'Full speed'. Go figure.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: el.sol on August 04, 2012, 06:16:34 PM
what exactly is your motherboard? you could be using a usb 1.1 port. One more thing, you might have to check your bios since usb 2.0 is often referred to as 'Hi-speed' while usb 1.1 is 'Full speed'. Go figure.

it says "high speed" I think processor na talaga to.. I can rec upto 14 tracks with no prob as long as no fx is on.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 05, 2012, 01:41:09 PM
it says "high speed" I think processor na talaga to.. I can rec upto 14 tracks with no prob as long as no fx is on.

Rule of thumb with most systems is to record without fx on UNLESS you have dedicated hardware that have built-in DSP. PT systems do it with ease because their cards have loads of extra processors and ram that deload the cpu from this task. There are other audio interfaces that also do this aside from PT, among them some of the Focusrite interfaces and RME, I believe.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kurt_morello on August 07, 2012, 08:13:21 PM
Hi Sirs I have an old thinkpad laptop(t60) with these specs:

Intel Dual Core 1.8ghz
4gb ddr2 ram
ati 64mb vga card
160 gb sata hdd

OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit(di kaya ng processor ang 64 bit)
Interface: Line 6 UX1-soon to be UX2
DAW: Reaper 4

My prob is may times na umuubo(chop) siya bigla bigla habang nagrerecord or nagplayplayback when reaper is on. I don't know kung ano yung nagcacause non. Or baka sobrang mabagal lang laptop ko. I'm planning to build a desktop for recording but that will take me months to save on. Hope you can help me on this guys.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 08, 2012, 09:47:39 AM
The problem with most laptops is that they only have a single drive. I always recommend having a second physical drive so that the system drive is not taxed writing to the swap file and audio file at the same time. The reason for this is physical; the drive head is reading the system, writing to swap, and writing to a temporary audio file all at the same time. A slow system will normally choke in this case, especially since most laptops also have slow, 5400 rpm drives. Changing to 7200 rpm may improve this slightly, but not much since the single drive/multiple file writes are the culprits.

Partitioning the drive will also not work since that will mean that the drive heads are transitioning from one partition to another leading to further drive head latency.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kurt_morello on August 08, 2012, 10:02:41 AM
thanks sir Kit! so that means I'll buy an external hard drive, right? thanks!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 08, 2012, 10:49:15 AM
thanks sir Kit! so that means I'll buy an external hard drive, right? thanks!

If you mean a usb hard drive, that's not as good as having an internal drive. For one thing, drive throughput is very dependent on bus speeds and usb drives are notorious for low throughput, even usb 2.0 drives. Btw, commercially available usb drive usually have 5400 rpm drives inside.

If your laptop has a firewire port, getting a firewire external drive is the better option, but how many laptops now have firewire? You can get an expresscard firewire adapter and firewire drive, but the cost may be a little prohibitive - you may have to shop around for good deals on those. One good thing about external drives is that you can port those over to desktop systems provided those desktops have the same FW ports.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 09, 2012, 01:43:28 PM
Rain Computers produces a mini pc specifically tailored for audio:

http://www.techpowerup.com/170135/Rain-Introduces-New-Event-A2-Mini-Audio-Computer-For-Songwriters.html

(Interface not included)

Hmmm... I could probably design the same provided we can get the parts. Interested parties feel free to contact me.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: el.sol on August 22, 2012, 07:29:09 PM
@kitC: ser I got a new PC. ok na yung prob ko. yung old PC ko tlaga yung prob
before: DDR2 4gb RAM 2core AMD
now: DDR asrock usb3 8gbRAM intel i5

no more lagging/clipping/collapsing of PC when recording with lots of effects in all 14tracks simultaenously.

thanks sa tips :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: nolit on August 22, 2012, 07:53:22 PM
Thanks for the link Sir KitC.

I am currently upgrading my setup and considering getting that A8 Llano from AMD with APU technology. Is this the closest we could get to that Rain Computer for audio? I think its the only one available locally.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 22, 2012, 09:42:15 PM
nolit, while I have previously been a very enthusiastic user of AMD, up to the Athlon64, I find that Intel still rules when it comes to DAWs. I'm still waiting for AMD to take the lead again after their Bulldozer fiasco. That said, I'm a little wary with these mini ATX boards since expansion can be a bit of a problem. For one thing, 2 ram slots is all you get and you'll be lucky to have more than one expansion slot; not a problem if you're using USB, but if you need a firewire expansion, well...

Anyway, I know Zotac boards are recommended for mini ATX. Here's a link for sources of mini ATX, both Intel and AMD:

http://www.mini-box.com/Socket-1155

I'd stay away from Atom solutions... not enough horsepower in those for DAW use. The site unfortunately does not have Llano solutions. Here's one:

http://pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-Llano-APU-System-Build-Mini-ITX-HTPC-and-Gaming

The Asus mobo looks good; you got USB3, HDMI and displayport so you're somewhat future-proofed if you prefer this mobo. I've seen some Shuttle type cases which look good. Finding a low profile HSF might be a bit of a problem. Either that or go water cooling for a quiet system. Personally, though, for AMD I'd wait for the Trinity and FM2 mobos.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on August 22, 2012, 10:55:09 PM
Thanks for the link Sir KitC.

I am currently upgrading my setup and considering getting that A8 Llano from AMD with APU technology. Is this the closest we could get to that Rain Computer for audio? I think its the only one available locally.

Go for Intel!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: blackmetal on August 24, 2012, 09:49:40 PM
Anyone here knows where I can buy a Behringer UCG 102 guitar interface?  Thanks Sirs....
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 25, 2012, 10:45:52 AM
Anyone here knows where I can buy a Behringer UCG 102 guitar interface?  Thanks Sirs....

They sometimes post these things in the guitar classifieds or pro audio classifieds. You should find them in Jointventure's outlets in most malls. There's one in Megamall 5th flr, Bldg A.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: blackmetal on August 25, 2012, 10:54:17 AM
They sometimes post these things in the guitar classifieds or pro audio classifieds. You should find them in Jointventure's outlets in most malls. There's one in Megamall 5th flr, Bldg A.

Thanks Sir Kit.....
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on August 27, 2012, 01:30:52 PM
Hi fellow netizen, just a quick question. Is it possible to connect a soundcraft spirit F1 to a ux1?
Havin a hard time getting the sound, I can connect it from the aux ports but for the entire mix I can't get sounds from it.

Thanks for your replies!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on August 27, 2012, 11:07:49 PM
Hi fellow netizen, just a quick question. Is it possible to connect a soundcraft spirit F1 to a ux1?
Havin a hard time getting the sound, I can connect it from the aux ports but for the entire mix I can't get sounds from it.

Thanks for your replies!

When using the aux, you have to make sure that all channels are sending to the aux output so that you may hear a representation of the mix, however, you have to make sure that the aux sends are post fader and that all aux send levels are the same.

An easier way would be to use the 1/4" monitor outs if you have your monitors connected to the XLR outputs. Assuming the 1/4" monitor outs are being used, you can use the monitor inserts with 1/4" TR PL jacks inserted up to the first click, or use the phones output with 1/4" TRS to 1/4" TR left/right Y-cable.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: washburnt25 on September 17, 2012, 10:52:00 PM
thanks mga pards ang dami kong natutunan dito  :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: gutz_3110 on September 22, 2012, 12:15:34 AM
hi,

i'm currently using the onboard soundcard of my PC. can i still use a DAW by using the it?  also, can i use a MIDI via usb port w/o a dedicated soundcard?  thanks.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 24, 2012, 10:35:19 AM
i'm currently using the onboard soundcard of my PC. can i still use a DAW by using the it?  also, can i use a MIDI via usb port w/o a dedicated soundcard?  thanks.

In both cases, yes. The reason we prefer to use better soundcards is for better latency performance and better audio. Onboard sound, as you will find out, can be noisy relatively, and usually have high latency. Plus, if you use guitars and similar, you cannot plug directly into the onboard without a proper preamp. Some will say use the mic input... all I can say is do it at your own risk.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: gutz_3110 on September 24, 2012, 10:28:08 PM
In both cases, yes. The reason we prefer to use better soundcards is for better latency performance and better audio. Onboard sound, as you will find out, can be noisy relatively, and usually have high latency. Plus, if you use guitars and similar, you cannot plug directly into the onboard without a proper preamp. Some will say use the mic input... all I can say is do it at your own risk.

thanks KitC,

do you suggest that i get an independent soundcard for this? what's your recommendation?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 25, 2012, 10:25:39 AM
First off, when learning, it's ok to use onboard sound. You can even make demos with them, but you have to learn the idiosyncracies of doing so. Like I mentioned earlier, latency will be a problem. Some avoid that by using asio4all which works in most cases. Another problem is audio quality. Aside from a higher noise floor, the sample rate may be fixed at 48 khz in some cases, and 24-bit operation is rare. again, not a biggie when making demos, but I usually avoid sample rate conversion as much as possible to avoid conversion artifacts.

Oh yeah, since onboard sound is usually line in, you will need some sort of preamp if you don't use line level sources such as mixers and keyboards. For guitars, getting a good preamp is paramount, but then again, a lot of guitar interfaces come in usb so that may be your first soundcard in itself.

Ask yourself how many inputs you require. Are you recording voice? Guitars? A full band setup? This will dictate what kind of audio interface you require. Also, remember to put your software first in your considerations. Often, it is the software that decides what computer and soundcard you will need.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: gutz_3110 on September 25, 2012, 10:06:06 PM
hi kitC,

i'm totally new at this.  don't really know where to begin. anyway, i'd like to do the ff:

1. create a some sort of backing track (drums, bassline, rhythm guitars, keys, etc.) - is there a software for this? i have sonar, but not sure if i even picked the right software for this purpose.
2. record my guitar parts using Avid Recording Studio - not also sure if i picked the right interface. i'm trying to choose a cheap interface to practice with.  if there is better alternative, please do recommend me one.
3. record vox after i finalize all the the backing track.

basically, that's it.  and i want to do away with the latency problem.  sorry, even if i review the entire thread, i cant seem to find the answer i'm looking for.  i'd like to hear what oyu and the other guys have to say.  thanks again.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 27, 2012, 03:10:16 PM
1. create a some sort of backing track (drums, bassline, rhythm guitars, keys, etc.) - is there a software for this? i have sonar, but not sure if i even picked the right software for this purpose.

Sonar is quite excellent for most purposes, but you have to learn it. You can try to record real drums, then bass, then guitar parts individually, but you have to have a multi input interface, esp. if you're tracking a complete band setup. You can do midi, but if you know nothing about that, then you have a rather steep learning curve ahead of you. BTW, midi is probably the quickest way to make your own backing tracks, but then you have to know how to sequence drums, bass, etc. There's no quick way about this.

2. record my guitar parts using Avid Recording Studio - not also sure if i picked the right interface. i'm trying to choose a cheap interface to practice with.  if there is better alternative, please do recommend me one.

There are lots of better alternatives, but they can be pricey. When learning, it's best to stick with what you have for now. The beauty of Avid is that it should come with the 'industry standard' Protools.

3. record vox after i finalize all the the backing track.

Your Avid system can handle that. Do you have a mic? An SM-58 will do.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: gutz_3110 on September 28, 2012, 11:39:07 PM
Sonar is quite excellent for most purposes, but you have to learn it. You can try to record real drums, then bass, then guitar parts individually, but you have to have a multi input interface, esp. if you're tracking a complete band setup. You can do midi, but if you know nothing about that, then you have a rather steep learning curve ahead of you. BTW, midi is probably the quickest way to make your own backing tracks, but then you have to know how to sequence drums, bass, etc. There's no quick way about this.

- do i need a separate software for the intsruments (drums, bass, etc?) or does sonar have it already? i still dont have a clue what sonar is all about. i'll do more reserch about it can offer.

There are lots of better alternatives, but they can be pricey. When learning, it's best to stick with what you have for now. The beauty of Avid is that it should come with the 'industry standard' Protools.

- i have none. avid is my choice because its cheap. i guess, i'll get this one for now. can i install protools along with the sonar?

Your Avid system can handle that. Do you have a mic? An SM-58 will do.
- none. but i'll check SM 58 as you suggested.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on September 29, 2012, 11:00:56 AM
Sonar comes with a wide variety of softsynths that allow you to quickly create 'backing tracks'. Since Sonar 7 I think, it comes with Session Drummer which is similar to the Superior Drummer/DFH drum sample playback plugins, and Dimension which has bass samples. These are midi softsynths so some midi programming is required. Session Drummer includes some patterns for a little instant gratification, but a more realistic performance is obtained by some judicious programming. Like I said earlier, a bit of a learning curve and no quick way, but Sonar can be a very powerful to compose with. Sonar also comes with other synths like the TTS-1 which gives you Roland Sound Canvas sounds, as well as Rapture and zeta+ where you can get the synthy variety of sounds. In most cases with these softsynths, you will need a keyboard controller to program notes, but you can get away with mouse input. Unfortunately, mouse input is note-for-note, a bit tedious but workable if you don't have a keyboard controller. I personally use a pen-and-tablet which makes note input loads faster.

Yes, you can use Sonar with the Avid interface - it's just an M-audio Fast Track USB in Avid clothing. Make sure to install the asio drivers.

The SM58 I mentioned is a dynamic mic from Shure. You can use more inexpensive ones from Samson and Behringer. Just make sure to get mics that use XLR 'cannon' connectors for compatibility with the Avid. Don't get those cheap karaoke mics with 1/4" jacks.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: gutz_3110 on September 29, 2012, 01:44:21 PM
hi kitC,

i understand about the learning curve. i guess i really have to immerse myself on this entirely new (complicated) work.  i'll check the session drummer as well.  thanks so much for your response.  it helped me a lot!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 02, 2012, 12:27:53 PM
Sometimes the easiest way to learn, if I may borrow from Nike, is to 'just do it'.

The important thing to remember about most sequencers is to record to a tempo as much as possible. For example, you have a guitar riff in mind; record it into sonar and use the tap tempo feature to get the tempo. Play as steadily as possible - one of the most important characteristics of mature playing is solid, consistent timing. It's also easier to add other midi instruments if everything falls to a consistent bar:beat.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: crazyvoice on October 07, 2012, 05:11:42 PM
Hi! Hope someone will give me an advice on this..

Last night, during my idle time, naisip ko biglang i plug yung Acoustic Guitar ko sa Mic Socket ng On Board Sound Card ng PC ko, then set up it
(Using cable adapter so that it will fits sa 1/4 socket( not sure!) ng Sound Card) .

Natuwa ako ng natuklasan ko na pede palang marinig yung tunog ng guitar sa speaker ( Acting like an AMP yung PC>Speaker set up).

Bigla ako napaisip kung meron guitar effects software na pede magamit sa Win.7 OS then ended up with amplitube 3.

So now here's my problem, when normally plug in then just listen without amplitube, clear naman yung tunog ng guitar thru speaker kaso medyo mahina lang kaso yung output, but when amplitube is running and apply some sort of pre load set up, dun na medyo annoying yung sound na lumalabas sa speaker. Also when I try to set-up amplitube 3 and choose ASIO device sa setting, meron lang recognize na Input Device but sa Output is wala madetect.

Just hoping that with this guitar effect software I can try out to mix some effect and come up with something peculiar tone. Saw this on youtubr http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0scRMinPboY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0scRMinPboY) he's using also an acoustic with pre-amp (i think) and make it sound like a E. guitar loaded with metal effects.

Also some are claiming that they recorded some of their piece just using On Board Sound Card and amplitube, with tolerable latency. Just want to try out first the max capability of my RIG first before considering purchasing USB interface or a decent Sound Card.

So eto na mga nagawa ko:

Got a copy of Amplitube 3
Downloaded Asio4all
On Board Sound Card plug
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on October 08, 2012, 08:53:30 AM
Mic socket or line-in socket?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: crazyvoice on October 08, 2012, 08:42:56 PM
I've tried both, pag sa mic marecognize lang yung input & output pag Direct X but pag ASIO meron inpit but walang output. Same scenario when plugged sa Line-IN
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 10, 2012, 09:39:31 AM
So now here's my problem, when normally plug in then just listen without amplitube, clear naman yung tunog ng guitar thru speaker kaso medyo mahina lang kaso yung output, but when amplitube is running and apply some sort of pre load set up, dun na medyo annoying yung sound na lumalabas sa speaker.

That is what you get for using mic in. Acoustic guitars can have different types of pickups from passive to active, but most will require some sort of preamp. Get a good preamp and attach its outputs to the LINE IN instead.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: dr.distance on October 13, 2012, 11:00:01 PM
Hi, I just want to ask a quick question.

I have a Zoom G2.1u I use as an audio interface for recording guitars, and while it does have built-in effects, lets say I want to use Amplitube so I can have more control over my sound in post. Should I still use effects on the pedal like EQ/Cabinet sim to tweak the sound before it goes to the PC or do I turn all effects off?

Thanks :,D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on October 13, 2012, 11:37:46 PM
Hi, I just want to ask a quick question.

I have a Zoom G2.1u I use as an audio interface for recording guitars, and while it does have built-in effects, lets say I want to use Amplitube so I can have more control over my sound in post. Should I still use effects on the pedal like EQ/Cabinet sim to tweak the sound before it goes to the PC or do I turn all effects off?

Thanks :,D

Any would do since may cabinets din ang Amplitube.  I prefer to record raw.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: mrslow96 on October 23, 2012, 11:52:45 PM
Hi mga fellow philmusician, may balak po kami ng erpats ko gumawa ng recording studio dito sa bahay. gusto ko lang po mag tanong ano po mga kailangan sa pag gawa ng home studio? nag tanong tanong ako dito saamin, di masyadong detalyado. salamat sir sa mga mag reply. At magkano po kaya aabutin?
Title: Creative Soundblaster X-FI Soround 5.1 PRO
Post by: ROCKOUST on October 24, 2012, 06:36:43 PM
   Sir KIt,
             Ano po ba pwde alternative na paraan para ma install ko,Creative Soundblaster X-FI Soround 5.1 PRO
             sa lappy ko,di  kasi compatible sa processor ko na,Intel (R)Pentium(R) Dual
             CPU T2390 @1.86GHz 32-bit Win7 OS,instead na  Intel Core™2 Duo processor 2.2 GHz, AMD Athlon 64x2 Dual Core or                           
             equivalent processor,,minimum, system requirments,,,give me some advice,,tnx po!
Title: Re: Creative Soundblaster X-FI Soround 5.1 PRO
Post by: skin on October 24, 2012, 07:32:19 PM
   Sir KIt,
             Ano po ba pwde alternative na paraan para ma install ko,Creative Soundblaster X-FI Soround 5.1 PRO
             sa lappy ko,di  kasi compatible sa processor ko na,Intel (R)Pentium(R) Dual
             CPU T2390 @1.86GHz 32-bit Win7 OS,instead na  Intel Core™2 Duo processor 2.2 GHz, AMD Athlon 64x2 Dual Core or                           
             equivalent processor,,minimum, system requirments,,,give me some advice,,tnx po!

Did you even try installing it?  Here are the drivers.
http://support.creative.com/Products/ProductDetails.aspx?catID=1&CatName=sound+blaster&subCatID=208&subCatName=X-Fi&prodID=14066&prodName=X-Fi+XtremeMusic
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on October 26, 2012, 10:59:20 AM
I've never known Soundblasters to be incompatible with anything (even macs!).

Install it first using the recommended drivers:

http://support.creative.com/Products/ProductDetails.aspx?catID=209&CatName=X-Fi&subCatID=208&subCatName=X-Fi&prodID=17751&prodName=X-Fi+Surround+5.1

And if that doesn't work, you can try the drivers in the link skin provided.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: CCConfusion on November 01, 2012, 05:15:40 PM
Hi Sir Kit. I wanted to use my Roland e09 as a midi controller for MiXcraft. The e09 has midi in out sockets but havent decided yet what midi cable to use. Can u suggest any midi in/out to usb cable that is compatible for this setup? Also will instill need a driver or installer for either the keyboard or midi cable? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on November 01, 2012, 06:17:43 PM
Hi Sir Kit. I wanted to use my Roland e09 as a midi controller for MiXcraft. The e09 has midi in out sockets but havent decided yet what midi cable to use. Can u suggest any midi in/out to usb cable that is compatible for this setup? Also will instill need a driver or installer for either the keyboard or midi cable? Thanks in advance.

Get the M-Audio or Yamaha usb midi cable.  Even the generic ones are compatible.  No drivers needed.  It's plug and play.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 03, 2012, 12:27:16 AM
What skin says. Generics can do but get short ones (about a meter will do). Cheap cables are notorious for having poor shielding. Look around also in stores like Ace Hardware in their electronics section... minsan may naliligaw dun na midi cable. weirdest place I saw was Concorde - yes, the auto accessories store. go figure.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: bishophunks on November 08, 2012, 06:04:13 PM
Mga Sir newbie po here and lalo na po sa recording...

balak ko din po mag record using my pc , mic and acoustic guitar lang po muna, ano po bang need para makapagsetup ng maganda at mura..

my specs are :
intel dualcore 3.0ghz
Memory : 4gb
videocard : 1gb gf210

newbie pa lang po talaga ako sa ganito setup even mga softwares,speakers,mics and amp i have no idea. kaya balak ko po muna sa is sa pc muna. gusto ko po sana songs like eh parang ganito po.. pero mukhang mahal po ito pero kung magka itsura lang...

feature=related
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 13, 2012, 11:49:14 AM
Sorry if I haven't replied soon enough.

The pc specs aren't specific enough for me to say if it's ok. Just having a dual core will not guarantee success if I don't know the rest of the peripherals. My gut tells me you have only one hard drive. Conventional wisdom suggests having 2 drives for audio; one for the system and the other for data.

What is your operating system? vista? Win7? Win8? XP? This will determine what you can or cannot run. The video card  and cpu suggests a 4 or 5 yr old computer but this is inconsequential since you don't need powerful video for audio anyway.

While you can use onboard audio, you will probably need to add some preamps and mics since you will be recording acoustic guitar. Furthermore, how many tracks will you simultaneously record? Anything greater than 2 will require you to get a multi input audio interface. In the youtube you linked, that is easily a 3 mic setup.

As for software, try Reaper. It's very affordable and full functioned even in 'demo' mode as long as you don't mind the nags.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: bishophunks on November 14, 2012, 09:17:58 AM
Sorry if I haven't replied soon enough.

The pc specs aren't specific enough for me to say if it's ok. Just having a dual core will not guarantee success if I don't know the rest of the peripherals. My gut tells me you have only one hard drive. Conventional wisdom suggests having 2 drives for audio; one for the system and the other for data.

What is your operating system? vista? Win7? Win8? XP? This will determine what you can or cannot run. The video card  and cpu suggests a 4 or 5 yr old computer but this is inconsequential since you don't need powerful video for audio anyway.

While you can use onboard audio, you will probably need to add some preamps and mics since you will be recording acoustic guitar. Furthermore, how many tracks will you simultaneously record? Anything greater than 2 will require you to get a multi input audio interface. In the youtube you linked, that is easily a 3 mic setup.

As for software, try Reaper. It's very affordable and full functioned even in 'demo' mode as long as you don't mind the nags.

im using windows 7. baka meron po kayo ma suggest sakin na pinaka cheap at good quality ng preamp and cheapest multi input audio interface... meron din po kasi ako amplifier  na sa tatay ko pa un nung nabubuhay voxen dolby 5.1 pro logic pero di ako marunung magtimpla at meron pa yta need ipagawa dun, at 2 speaker na 200w and 2 tweeter, kaso hindi din ako marunung magsetup ng nice song, ginagamit lang kasi po namin un kapag watch ng movies.

anyway ano po bang mag ma susuggest nyo po para sakin at kung san po ako makakamura at good quality, ipagawa ung ampli namin or buy nalang po ng preamp na mura? ung mga interface po sa cdrking maganda clase na po ba un kung gagayahin ko ung nsa youtube?

Sir maraming salamat po laking help po ito para sakin lalo na mga newbie na tulad ko po.. its my pleasure na nagreply po kayo sa aking questions. :))
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on November 14, 2012, 10:07:54 AM
Quote
im using windows 7. baka meron po kayo ma suggest sakin na pinaka cheap at good quality ng preamp and cheapest multi input audio interface... meron din po kasi ako amplifier  na sa tatay ko pa un nung nabubuhay voxen dolby 5.1 pro logic pero di ako marunung magtimpla at meron pa yta need ipagawa dun, at 2 speaker na 200w and 2 tweeter, kaso hindi din ako marunung magsetup ng nice song, ginagamit lang kasi po namin un kapag watch ng movies.

anyway ano po bang mag ma susuggest nyo po para sakin at kung san po ako makakamura at good quality, ipagawa ung ampli namin or buy nalang po ng preamp na mura? ung mga interface po sa cdrking maganda clase na po ba un kung gagayahin ko ung nsa youtube?

Sir maraming salamat po laking help po ito para sakin lalo na mga newbie na tulad ko po.. its my pleasure na nagreply po kayo sa aking questions. )

What do you play?  Define cheap.  Avoid CDRKING!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: bishophunks on November 14, 2012, 10:15:18 AM
What do you play?  Define cheap.  Avoid CDRKING!

Okies Avoid CDRKING. magkano po ba ung rate ng pinaka mura at good quality na multi input audio interface/preamp and speakers kasi ganito po sana parang ganito setup.
feature=related pero syempre ung mura lang po at maappriciate ung outcome. :) medyo baguhan at low budget po kasi.

Salamat po sa mabilisang reply. :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on November 14, 2012, 11:00:37 AM
Bro kunin mo na yung Line6 UX1 sa classifieds ayus na yun!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: bishophunks on November 14, 2012, 11:07:12 AM
Bro kunin mo na yung Line6 UX1 sa classifieds ayus na yun!

Pang Pro na po yata un at medyo mahal pa siya eh.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on November 14, 2012, 11:23:04 AM
Okies Avoid CDRKING. magkano po ba ung rate ng pinaka mura at good quality na multi input audio interface/preamp and speakers kasi ganito po sana parang ganito setup.
feature=related pero syempre ung mura lang po at maappriciate ung outcome. :) medyo baguhan at low budget po kasi.

Salamat po sa mabilisang reply. :)

Based on the video you would be needing a mixer or multitrack audio interface.  Gusto mo ba multitrack recording in which on the video you'll be needing 3 inputs and you can edit these tracks on post production, or stereo lang input sa computer?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: bishophunks on November 14, 2012, 11:31:10 AM
Based on the video you would be needing a mixer or multitrack audio interface.  Gusto mo ba multitrack recording in which on the video you'll be needing 3 inputs and you can edit these tracks on post production, or stereo lang input sa computer?

yung stereo input sa computer lng po muna tpos much better kung magagamit din sa recording sa loob lng bahay. hihi!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: crazyvoice on November 14, 2012, 11:56:39 AM
Not sure if this is the right thread for this but,  will just try

Anyone who has use Amplitube as actual effects in a Gig? Stable ba siya? Recently ginagamit ko siya for my Acoustic Guitar and surprisingly it works like wonder and sound like an actual E.guitar The only Problem I have is the Buzzing sound even I don't strum which is latency I believe.

My set up is Acoustic > Line-In( On Board Sound Card w/ ASIO4ALL- Desktop)> Then 5.1 Speaker sometimes sa Laney Amp ko. Will buying a Cheap USB Interface can do something?

By the way since I've enjoying this software I planning to install it to my Itouch and try if kaya niya kahit sa casual Jam lang or mas ok yung output niya using my Itouch.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on November 14, 2012, 12:51:10 PM
Pang Pro na po yata un at medyo mahal pa siya eh.

Yan yung pinakabasic na audio interface ng Line6 bro wala nang masmumura pa dun. Kung gusto mo masmura pa try mo Behringer UCA202 pero bitin na yun.

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 14, 2012, 03:16:30 PM
@crazyvoice _ I suggest creating your own thread as it will garner more specific responses tailored for live use of plugins. This sticky is more generalized towards computer recording.

@bishophunks - for stereo input, get a mixer. This means you will be working off the stereo feed of the mixer which in turn means less flexibility during recording. It's very difficult to overdub to a stereo mix. You may not need the UCA since most computer line inputs can accept the line level out of the mixer. One more thing, when recording a stereo mix, the performance has to be right on first take or you have to re-do everything from the top. Like I said, you cannot overdub to a stereo mix. A multi-input interface would be better but more expensive. The Line6 is ok for single electric guitar and mic combination. To use 2 mics, you will need an additional preamp.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on November 15, 2012, 07:17:34 PM
@crazyvoice _ I suggest creating your own thread as it will garner more specific responses tailored for live use of plugins. This sticky is more generalized towards computer recording.

@bishophunks - for stereo input, get a mixer. This means you will be working off the stereo feed of the mixer which in turn means less flexibility during recording. It's very difficult to overdub to a stereo mix. You may not need the UCA since most computer line inputs can accept the line level out of the mixer. One more thing, when recording a stereo mix, the performance has to be right on first take or you have to re-do everything from the top. Like I said, you cannot overdub to a stereo mix. A multi-input interface would be better but more expensive. The Line6 is ok for single electric guitar and mic combination. To use 2 mics, you will need an additional preamp.
+1

Not sure if this is the right thread for this but,  will just try

Anyone who has use Amplitube as actual effects in a Gig? Stable ba siya? Recently ginagamit ko siya for my Acoustic Guitar and surprisingly it works like wonder and sound like an actual E.guitar The only Problem I have is the Buzzing sound even I don't strum which is latency I believe.

My set up is Acoustic > Line-In( On Board Sound Card w/ ASIO4ALL- Desktop)> Then 5.1 Speaker sometimes sa Laney Amp ko. Will buying a Cheap USB Interface can do something?

By the way since I've enjoying this software I planning to install it to my Itouch and try if kaya niya kahit sa casual Jam lang or mas ok yung output niya using my Itouch.

Ang alam ko bro may thread na ganito sa Guitar Central buhayin mo na!! :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: 123kidd on November 16, 2012, 07:36:33 PM
Hello! good day sa lahat! Pa- advice naman mga sir! Im planning to buy new computer set up, im thinking to buy amd 8core, pero napapaisip ako kung ok ba ba to sa recording? or intel i5? medyo mura kase amd kaso natatakot ako baka di tumagal, pa advice naman sir kung anong magandang set up, sa tamang budget lang,

Salamat po ng madami! God bless!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on November 17, 2012, 11:01:04 AM
Generally, it does not matter if you use AMD or Intel since audio recording is not that intensive compared to video, with the exception that you run gigabytes of samples. In that case, you need an Intel since tests have shown that Intel cpus have the performance advantage when it comes to running loads of sample libraries. I should know... been designing and building powerhouse DAWs for Gerard Salonga since 2008.

As for the i5, you have to pair it up with good ram and a good motherboard. Some people prefer Asus, but I've had some probs with recent Asus boards over the years... same with MSI. Best for now are Gigabyte boards. For ram, get branded ram with good specs and go at least 4 gigs - win7 64-bit somewhat struggles at 2 gigs. Make sure to power these up with a good PSU as well - no generic power supplies please!

As for obsolescence, any design now will last maybe 2 or 3 years at the most. Just build your DAW for now, stock it up with a mature OS like win7 (not win8 yet!). If you decide 64-bit, make sure most of your software can support it. If not, stick to 32-bit for the most part,or even go XP as I find this to support a majority of hardware plus some very good audio interfaces from a few years back.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on November 17, 2012, 11:08:41 AM
Hello! good day sa lahat! Pa- advice naman mga sir! Im planning to buy new computer set up, im thinking to buy amd 8core, pero napapaisip ako kung ok ba ba to sa recording? or intel i5? medyo mura kase amd kaso natatakot ako baka di tumagal, pa advice naman sir kung anong magandang set up, sa tamang budget lang,

Salamat po ng madami! God bless!

Mag Intel ka.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on November 19, 2012, 04:59:45 PM
AMD user ako bro. So far solve naman ako sa AMD. Phenom II X4 setup ko ngayon pero hopefully makaupgrade ako to 8-core next year.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: bishophunks on November 21, 2012, 04:46:18 PM
sir question po.

Behringer C1 condenser mic  and Xenyx 502 mixer.

ask ko lang po kung maganda na po ba ito para sa acoustic session. hehe!. kahit 2mic and 1 guitar?

note: tapos kung pwede na din po bang home recording ito? . :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on November 21, 2012, 07:40:46 PM
Yes bro, pde yan.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: bishophunks on November 22, 2012, 10:36:00 AM
@jake zulueta thank po sir.


nakakita po ako ng SM58 =P500 lang at alam kong class A  po ito.. pwede na ba ito gamitin pang recording or live perform. baka onti lang po ang difference sa quality kasi low badget eh.. heheh! :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on November 22, 2012, 11:10:27 AM
@jake zulueta thank po sir.


nakakita po ako ng SM58 =P500 lang at alam kong class A  po ito.. pwede na ba ito gamitin pang recording or live perform. baka onti lang po ang difference sa quality kasi low badget eh.. heheh! :)

Malaki difference sa tunog bro ng SM58 na 500php sa SM58 na 5,550php sa Audiophile.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on November 22, 2012, 05:21:23 PM
@jake zulueta thank po sir.


nakakita po ako ng SM58 =P500 lang at alam kong class A  po ito.. pwede na ba ito gamitin pang recording or live perform. baka onti lang po ang difference sa quality kasi low badget eh.. heheh! :)

I see it as sayang lang P500 mo compared to sulit ang 5.5K mo.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: nolit on November 22, 2012, 05:53:41 PM
AMD user ako bro. So far solve naman ako sa AMD. Phenom II X4 setup ko ngayon pero hopefully makaupgrade ako to 8-core next year.

Naka abang ako sa phenom x4 mo. AM2+ ba yan?  hehehehe
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on November 22, 2012, 06:04:05 PM
Naka abang ako sa phenom x4 mo. AM2+ ba yan?  hehehehe

AM3 , Phenom II x4 965 3.4ghz , Black Edition
-yan yung specs ng processor sir. Newbie question. Ano ba difference ng AM2+ sa AM3

OT:
Sir yung Motu 8pre ko nakaabang na sa inyo. :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: nolit on November 22, 2012, 06:13:08 PM
Iba ang socket ng AM2+ sa AM3. sayang di pala pwede sakin yan phenom mo.
Me bakante kasi ako na motherboard dito na AM2.

Hehehe ok yan MOTU 8pre. Pero wag muna cguro ngaun. ang dami ko na inputs. 48 na e.
pag nandyan pa yan by january cguro baka kukunin ko na. hehehehe
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on November 22, 2012, 06:18:41 PM
Iba ang socket ng AM2+ sa AM3. sayang di pala pwede sakin yan phenom mo.
Me bakante kasi ako na motherboard dito na AM2.

Hehehe ok yan MOTU 8pre. Pero wag muna cguro ngaun. ang dami ko na inputs. 48 na e.
pag nandyan pa yan by january cguro baka kukunin ko na. hehehehe
PM sent sir!! :-D
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: mikki_blinkme on January 12, 2013, 01:24:05 PM
paano ba magrecord ng 2 tracks sabay pero magkahiwalay ang track? mixer:xenyx q502usb. pano icoconfig sa DAW yun? DAW: Reaper. Gusto ko separate track kada line in. Ang problema e isang track lang siya sabay. Gusto ko sana magkaibang track sila pero sabay atthe same time after magrecord ng sabay e matitimpla ko individually yung 2 separate tracks na ni-record ng sabay. 
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: renkai0218 on January 12, 2013, 02:05:55 PM
Good to catch this thread!

I am also planning to have a basic recording for my PC. Sir KitC, I need your expertise or anyone that can help will be greatly appreciated.

Here are my PC's current specs:

Intel I5 3570 3.2 Ghz
MSI Motherboard
8gb RAM
On board Video and Sound
1TB Seagate Harddrive

Im planning to buy a M-Audio Fast Track MKII USB Audio Interface (Is that good enough for a newbie?). I am just planning to use it for my acoustic guitar and one microphone. However, I do have a Xenyx 1002 Mixer which I am planning to incorporate with the Audio Interface. How do I do that?

Please help.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on January 12, 2013, 04:01:29 PM
paano ba magrecord ng 2 tracks sabay pero magkahiwalay ang track? mixer:xenyx q502usb. pano icoconfig sa DAW yun? DAW: Reaper. Gusto ko separate track kada line in. Ang problema e isang track lang siya sabay. Gusto ko sana magkaibang track sila pero sabay atthe same time after magrecord ng sabay e matitimpla ko individually yung 2 separate tracks na ni-record ng sabay.

Sa mixer mo pan left 1 track and pan right 1 track.  Sa Reaper ganun din sa mga input sa track settings.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: mikki_blinkme on January 12, 2013, 05:33:36 PM
Sa mixer mo pan left 1 track and pan right 1 track.  Sa Reaper ganun din sa mga input sa track settings.

maraming salamat sir skin.  :razz:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kurt_morello on January 14, 2013, 01:57:34 PM
Good to catch this thread!

I am also planning to have a basic recording for my PC. Sir KitC, I need your expertise or anyone that can help will be greatly appreciated.

Here are my PC's current specs:

Intel I5 3570 3.2 Ghz
MSI Motherboard
8gb RAM
On board Video and Sound
1TB Seagate Harddrive

Im planning to buy a M-Audio Fast Track MKII USB Audio Interface (Is that good enough for a newbie?). I am just planning to use it for my acoustic guitar and one microphone. However, I do have a Xenyx 1002 Mixer which I am planning to incorporate with the Audio Interface. How do I do that?

Please help.

Sir I prefer getting a m-audio fast track pro na 2nd hand. But if kung pang acoustic lang talaga, I think that will suffice.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 14, 2013, 10:51:12 PM
Im planning to buy a M-Audio Fast Track MKII USB Audio Interface (Is that good enough for a newbie?). I am just planning to use it for my acoustic guitar and one microphone. However, I do have a Xenyx 1002 Mixer which I am planning to incorporate with the Audio Interface. How do I do that?

You can bypass the Xenyx mixer once you get the M-audio. In the meantime, connect the Xenyx main outs to your computer's line inputs - the blue colored jack. Make sure to check your sample rate; most computers default to 48 kHz. This could wreak havoc if you import tracks at 44.1 kHz or another sample rate. I often keep mine at 44.1 for compatibility with most audio recordings unless higher rates are specified.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: renkai0218 on January 15, 2013, 10:56:19 AM
You can bypass the Xenyx mixer once you get the M-audio. In the meantime, connect the Xenyx main outs to your computer's line inputs - the blue colored jack. Make sure to check your sample rate; most computers default to 48 kHz. This could wreak havoc if you import tracks at 44.1 kHz or another sample rate. I often keep mine at 44.1 for compatibility with most audio recordings unless higher rates are specified.

Thank you so much for the advice. I guess, will have to get the M-Audio first. Tanungin ko na lang kayo kapag ready na yung mga gamit ko. Sir KitC, what entry-level condenser microphones you can recommend? Yung cheap lang, lets say around Php 3k to 4k ang price range. Gagamitin din sana for vocals. Appreciate the help.  :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 16, 2013, 10:57:32 AM
Sir KitC, what entry-level condenser microphones you can recommend? Yung cheap lang, lets say around Php 3k to 4k ang price range. Gagamitin din sana for vocals. Appreciate the help.  :)

For that range, look for the Behringer C-series mics (C-1, C-3) - don't get the usb version! Lazer also carries the Superlux brand, I thought they also carried MXL but it's not mentioned on their site. You can also try Samson condensers from Audiophile, though I can't tell you how much these are. Most local sites are afraid to post their prices.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kurt_morello on January 16, 2013, 08:08:50 PM
For that range, look for the Behringer C-series mics (C-1, C-3) - don't get the usb version! Lazer also carries the Superlux brand, I thought they also carried MXL but it's not mentioned on their site. You can also try Samson condensers from Audiophile, though I can't tell you how much these are. Most local sites are afraid to post their prices.

got my MXL mic at lyric. :) mine is at 4k.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: dr.distance on January 21, 2013, 10:14:03 PM
Hey guys, I was hoping you guys could share some insight into what I'm having problems with right now.

I get noise over USB. I record guitars using a Zoom G2.1u, and I get some noticeable hum (or static, whatever it is) whenever I start recording over USB, exactly when I plug it in. If it isn't plugged in, then its not there. Its not fixable by the G2's Noise Gate, I have to use GarageBand's Noise Gate to filter it out, but even then it sort of becomes irritating because it just wrecks the sound whenever I use high gain amp models.

I'm thinking since its not present whenever its not plugged to USB, its either my laptop or the cheapo USB cable. No other cable to test out the cable theory, and no other computer to test it with. Would a Guitar Link cable not have this noise issue?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on January 22, 2013, 07:56:42 AM
That's odd.  Are you connecting directly to the computer and not on a usb hub?  Recorded guitar tracks have static?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: dr.distance on January 22, 2013, 08:56:56 AM
That's odd.  Are you connecting directly to the computer and not on a usb hub?  Recorded guitar tracks have static?
Yeah, Zoom G2 connected directly to the laptop's USB ports. The hum is there, and it gets screechy when the gain is really high. I'll try to record it when I get home later so you guys can hear if you want.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 22, 2013, 09:49:01 PM
Since hum is not present when nothing is plugged in, suspect your cable or even your guitar.

Are you using single coil pups? Try changing positions. Move away from the pc when recording. Even try changing your angle when facing the pc. Single coils are notorious for picking up noise and hum. If using humbuckers, then suspect your guitar cable. Usb cables send out data so noise is not necessarily a problem with them.

Btw, are you using a laptop? If so, try recoding using batteries instead of A/C power. Laptop power bricks also give out a LOT of noise because of their switching power supplies. PCs also have switching power supplies, but if the case is made of steel and completely closed, there shouldn't be much EMI/RFI present.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: mikki_blinkme on January 23, 2013, 08:01:44 PM
any idea kung may available dito sa local stores natin na 2-4 channels with mic pre usb interface? wala akong idea e. gagamitin sana sa pagrecord ng drums. yung capable na magrecord sa DAW ng 4 individual tracks ng sabay sabay? and yung price range...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: dr.distance on January 24, 2013, 10:03:41 AM
Since hum is not present when nothing is plugged in, suspect your cable or even your guitar.

Are you using single coil pups? Try changing positions. Move away from the pc when recording. Even try changing your angle when facing the pc. Single coils are notorious for picking up noise and hum. If using humbuckers, then suspect your guitar cable. Usb cables send out data so noise is not necessarily a problem with them.

Btw, are you using a laptop? If so, try recoding using batteries instead of A/C power. Laptop power bricks also give out a LOT of noise because of their switching power supplies. PCs also have switching power supplies, but if the case is made of steel and completely closed, there shouldn't be much EMI/RFI present.
I'm on humbuckers, tried different angles, even moving away quite a bit from the stuff when starting to record. I'm on a laptop yes, and its a Mac so its made out of steel instead of plastic like other ones.

I'll try to borrow some better cables from a friend, both USB and instrument cables just to test it out. The ones I'm using are pretty cheap ones, but I'm starting to suspect its the USB because the G2 can also use the USB to power itself in the absence of other power sources. I never record using USB power, but I think that could be causing some interference?

If all else fails and it really is just the Zoom's USB power causing the hum, I might get a guitar link instead. Thanks for the input guys!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 24, 2013, 12:12:19 PM
I'm on a laptop yes, and its a Mac so its made out of steel instead of plastic like other ones.

Actually aluminum but I'm just pickin' on details.

USB power normally does not convey noise to a device because it is DC. Unless your mac's power supply is shorting itself to the case, only then should you get some hum, which is very unlikely. A bad usb cable often results in the device not being recognized or not working altogether. Worse, it could get burned out when the power carrying wires short with the data wires, which happens when the cable is very much physically stressed.

Look for other sources of noise like flourescent light or anything with transformers in your recording area. Btw, you didn't identify what kind of noise it is. It could also be digital noise if you have very low buffer settings.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: dr.distance on January 24, 2013, 01:11:04 PM
Actually aluminum but I'm just pickin' on details.

USB power normally does not convey noise to a device because it is DC. Unless your mac's power supply is shorting itself to the case, only then should you get some hum, which is very unlikely. A bad usb cable often results in the device not being recognized or not working altogether. Worse, it could get burned out when the power carrying wires short with the data wires, which happens when the cable is very much physically stressed.

Look for other sources of noise like flourescent light or anything with transformers in your recording area. Btw, you didn't identify what kind of noise it is. It could also be digital noise if you have very low buffer settings.
Lolyeah, my mistake, aluminum  :) Hmm that clears things up some more on the USB cable/power front. I'll keep the area suggestion in mind and check it out too. Buffer settings, I wouldn't know where to check because Garageband just detects the Zoom immediately, and I'm fairly new to recording on my laptop and Garageband.

Here's a clip of the noise: http://www.sendspace.com/file/ch7ukj
I wouldn't know how to describe it really. All I know is that its not coming from the guitar, the Zoom's noise gate doesn't affect it, and the only way I can cut it is with the Garageband gate. In this clip it sounds really loud, Garageband must have upped the gain on it during the export, because in actual recording/playback its not that loud, very faint actually. (Unless I up the gain and not use the noise gate)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 25, 2013, 10:22:22 AM
That is digital noise judging from the high pitch; I thought you meant a hum which would have been quite analog sounding. Somehow I think either your guitar or cable is picking up that digital hash. Try this... just leave the guitar cable attached to the zoom, without the guitar, and see if it picks up anything. If it does, replace it with a better guitar cable; the shielding may have been already compromised. If it doesn't, then it's possible that cheap usb cable is transmitting digital noise to the Zoom. When replacing the usb cable, look for one with a noise choke, those 'lump-in-a-line' kind of cable that looks similar to this:

(http://www.phidgets.com/images/3017_0_Big.jpg)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: renkai0218 on January 26, 2013, 05:28:12 PM
Hi guys, I already got my Samson CO1 condenser microphone and my M-Audio Fast Track from 2 of our forumers here.

However, I dont have a monitor or a headset that I can use. I thought I can use my computer speakers when playing what I have recorded but it seems doesn't work that way.

Any studio monitor or headphones that you can suggest? Is Superlux HD661 good enough as headphone?

Waaah! These studio monitors are quite expensive.  :-o
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: dr.distance on January 26, 2013, 08:21:18 PM
That is digital noise judging from the high pitch; I thought you meant a hum which would have been quite analog sounding. Somehow I think either your guitar or cable is picking up that digital hash. Try this... just leave the guitar cable attached to the zoom, without the guitar, and see if it picks up anything. If it does, replace it with a better guitar cable; the shielding may have been already compromised. If it doesn't, then it's possible that cheap usb cable is transmitting digital noise to the Zoom. When replacing the usb cable, look for one with a noise choke, those 'lump-in-a-line' kind of cable that looks similar to this:
To be fair, the clip's gain was turned up during the export, but imagine na lang still hearing that noise over your guitar parts. Eek. Anyway, I did as you suggested, even borrowed one of my friend's more expensive guitar cables and everything seems to be in order. The USB cable did come with a noise choke, its a 3ft cable from cd-r king lang.

What's interesting now is over the course of testing, I only just noticed it earlier that having the Zoom plugged in to the laptop doesn't generate the noise immediately, it only comes up when I tell GarageBand to start the USB Audio Codec driver.

Couldn't find a similar USB cable that's shorter than 3ft earlier in the malls though, so I couldn't rule out a bad cable, but that part with GarageBand seemed interesting.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on January 27, 2013, 10:08:45 AM
What's interesting now is over the course of testing, I only just noticed it earlier that having the Zoom plugged in to the laptop doesn't generate the noise immediately, it only comes up when I tell GarageBand to start the USB Audio Codec driver.

3 ft/1 meter usb cables is about the max required standard. The noise intrusion, however, tells me that the Zoom doesn't seem to be shielded enough, or it's electronics is picking up EMI via the analog input. Used to be you could buy ferrite chokes in some electronics stores... maybe try to wrap one around the guitar cable? Have you also tried using the Zoom on a different computer, preferable pc? This would tell us if the zoom is part of the problem or not.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: dr.distance on January 27, 2013, 06:43:01 PM
3 ft/1 meter usb cables is about the max required standard. The noise intrusion, however, tells me that the Zoom doesn't seem to be shielded enough, or it's electronics is picking up EMI via the analog input. Used to be you could buy ferrite chokes in some electronics stores... maybe try to wrap one around the guitar cable? Have you also tried using the Zoom on a different computer, preferable pc? This would tell us if the zoom is part of the problem or not.
I sold off my old desktop PC when I got my laptop, so that's one testing option out of the window. Not that I can test on a friend's PC sometime this week, which I'll try. Thanks for the input, learned stuff too. I'll check back in after I can test on it some more.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: chocotech27 on February 06, 2013, 11:23:06 AM
Mga sir ask ko lang nag ttry ako mag record using audacit...
walang sound na lumalabas,,

pero pag nagrecord na ko at click ko yung play may sound naman help naman po thanks!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 06, 2013, 02:56:02 PM
Mga sir ask ko lang nag ttry ako mag record using audacit...
walang sound na lumalabas,,

anong soundcard mo?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: electronictokwa on February 07, 2013, 06:24:18 AM
Question mga sirs, will this work? Sensya newbie ako sa home recording hehe!

Guitar > GT-5 > Vox Pathfinder 15r (Line Output, Rear) > Laptop or desktop audio in port

Kakayanin ba ng software-based mixing ang recording or kelangan may tulong ng dedicated sound card? Since wala akong dedicated sound card, mas okay ba pag via USB? If so, anu ma recommend nio yung di ganun ka mahal  :-D

Salamat! 
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: electronictokwa on February 07, 2013, 06:25:42 AM
Question mga sirs, will this work? Sensya newbie ako sa home recording hehe!

Guitar > GT-5 > Vox Pathfinder 15r (Line Output, Rear) > Laptop or desktop audio in port

Kakayanin ba ng software-based mixing ang recording or kelangan may tulong ng dedicated sound card? Since wala akong dedicated sound card, mas okay ba pag via USB? If so, anu ma recommend nio yung di ganun ka mahal  :-D

Salamat!

Teka, bakit hindi nalang galing GT-5 drecho PC?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: samuelfianza on February 10, 2013, 11:22:21 AM
Help masters.

System overall volume (itunes, media players, etc) drops when opening a DAW.

How can I disable this? (My OS is win XP)

This only happens when I'm using my Interface (Presonus Audiobox), but everything is normal when using only the Onboard audio.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 10, 2013, 09:41:44 PM
DAWs like to take exclusive control of audio since timing is very important for recording. Is the audiobox capable of asio and wdm modes of operation? Chances are, it's one OR the other. Very few interfaces support simultaneous operation with both drivers. This means that opening a DAW will most likely disable WDM mode in most cases. Unfortunately, media players use wdm. VLC can use asio, but asio does not like 'sharing'.

You could use the onboard audio strictly for wdm and the audiobox strictly for asio. You will need some kind of (sub)mixer to route the 2 separate outputs to your monitors though. If your monitors support dual inputs, then no problem.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on February 12, 2013, 11:39:08 AM
Help masters.

System overall volume (itunes, media players, etc) drops when opening a DAW.

How can I disable this? (My OS is win XP)

This only happens when I'm using my Interface (Presonus Audiobox), but everything is normal when using only the Onboard audio.

Audiobox user here! Bro try mo rin icheck yung settings sa VSL
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: alakdan7 on February 13, 2013, 11:50:24 PM
I am presently using Vegas Pro for multitrack recording and soundforge for some editing for connected to a 12 channel mixer were inputs are routed to the sources via multicore audio cable. I'm just using the built in audio card on the PC motherboard. Can you recommend any soundcard that would improve my system ? WHat equipment can I add/use to be able to do simultaneous multitrack recording in the PC. As of now I can only record one track at a time. My PC connection to the mixer is via stereo coax/rca cable only to the stereo output of the mixer. Can you suggest a better configuration with my system. One more thing is it ok to use all condenser mics on the drumset ?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on February 14, 2013, 05:32:58 AM
I am presently using Vegas Pro for multitrack recording and soundforge for some editing for connected to a 12 channel mixer were inputs are routed to the sources via multicore audio cable. I'm just using the built in audio card on the PC motherboard. Can you recommend any soundcard that would improve my system ? WHat equipment can I add/use to be able to do simultaneous multitrack recording in the PC. As of now I can only record one track at a time. My PC connection to the mixer is via stereo coax/rca cable only to the stereo output of the mixer. Can you suggest a better configuration with my system. One more thing is it ok to use all condenser mics on the drumset ?

Check out Tascam US-1800.

For drum mics, check out ones that you can buy as a set.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on February 14, 2013, 08:41:32 AM
I am presently using Vegas Pro for multitrack recording and soundforge for some editing for connected to a 12 channel mixer were inputs are routed to the sources via multicore audio cable. I'm just using the built in audio card on the PC motherboard. Can you recommend any soundcard that would improve my system ? WHat equipment can I add/use to be able to do simultaneous multitrack recording in the PC. As of now I can only record one track at a time. My PC connection to the mixer is via stereo coax/rca cable only to the stereo output of the mixer. Can you suggest a better configuration with my system. One more thing is it ok to use all condenser mics on the drumset ?

Presonus AB1818vsl nasa 25k sa distributor nito dito sa Pinas. :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: samuelfianza on February 14, 2013, 10:35:22 AM
Audiobox user here! Bro try mo rin icheck yung settings sa VSL
Ano yung VSL bro?  hehe

At ano pala mas magandang condenser mic dito sa dalawa:
Behringer C1 or Samson C01

Or may marerecommend ba kayong condenser mic na kapresyo rin nung dalawa?

thanks masters.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on February 14, 2013, 02:47:31 PM
sa Samson C01 ako.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on February 23, 2013, 12:48:32 AM
Is it possible than we can help other musicians by remotely accessing their desktops or laptops if there's configurations that needs to be adjusted, like in DAW's, etc.


We can use showmypc.com to remotely access the pc and we can communicate with notepad too.

I'm thinking that this is somehow a good way of fixing stuff that needs pro help.

Like me, I'm having issues with guitar rig that trying all the things google told me won't apply.

Any thoughts? Let's use our resources and help one another.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: albumin on February 24, 2013, 03:43:31 AM
hi! just wanna ask, magkano kaya yung aabutin ng isang good if not decent na cpu for recording? pasok na kaya ang 20k?

pang bedroom rockstar lang sana na kagaya ko. pang record lang ng guitars and maybe pang process ng backing tracks.

kaya ko kaya makakuha ng ganitong quality: http://thefoobirds.bandcamp.com/
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: zushikikato on February 24, 2013, 06:23:40 AM
Help guys,

I want to record music from my digital piano. I have a laptop. This laptop does not have a line in port, I have read blogs online that if I'll record it straight through this port I will not produce high quality sounds because of the ports different frequencies. I don't want to spend too much for hardware but I can shell out some amount if it's really affordable like below 5K.. Any advice guys? My Digital Piano have a line out port and MIDI out port.

Thanks much!
Aspiring musician.  :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 24, 2013, 11:17:27 AM
@jake - while feasible, most computer musicians I know are very protective of their DAWs. Some go as far as making sure their DAWs are not directly connected to the internet. Of course, this is case-to-case, but you can only see so much remotely. In some instances, a bit of tinkering under the hood may be required. For ex., a few months ago, I helped fixed a celebrity's DAW by swapping out a firewire card. Aside from the IRQ conflict, turns out the card was becoming defective - and he already had another guy regularly looking after his gear! What wasn't readily apparent was the IRQ conflict which was causing this celeb's problem since the system was working fine before.

@albumin - If you have a fairly recent computer, notably a core i-series intel or even a recent AMD setup, you can already use those. Just make it a 2-drive system. I would put my money in a very good audio interface that can be easily migrated to a newer computer since computers usually become dated after about 18 months or so. Get a reliable usb or firewire interface for your 20k, and make sure it has enough input for your needs. You can get an internal card, but it has to be pcie since pci slots are becoming rare in recent motherboards.

@zushikat0 - what kind of laptop is this? most recent laptops I've seen have audio ports that change configuration according to whats plugged into them.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: albumin on February 24, 2013, 01:24:44 PM
edited
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: zushikikato on February 24, 2013, 03:43:11 PM
Hello,

I am using an HP450 laptop. It has 3 USB ports, HDMI port a headset in and a mic in port.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 24, 2013, 06:42:14 PM
i'm planning to buy a cpu package with

- intel core i5
- biostar h61m mobo

The biostar I'm not so hot on. I normally recommend Gigabyte and Asus at this time, leaning more on the former. Formerly a contented MSI user until I started getting QC issues (bloated caps). Biostar is not known for being a solid DAW performer... Epox does quite well in some occasions, but look for reports on bloated caps with your preferred mobos.

Set aside some extra budget for a good audio interface. No CDR King please.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on February 24, 2013, 06:44:23 PM
I am using an HP450 laptop. It has 3 USB ports, HDMI port a headset in and a mic in port.

As long as this is not the Celeron powered version, it can do the job.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: zushikikato on February 24, 2013, 07:01:03 PM
i5, 8gb RAM with Radeon Graphics.

How can I do it? What are the things that I need to get it done?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on February 24, 2013, 07:53:34 PM
Is it possible than we can help other musicians by remotely accessing their desktops or laptops if there's configurations that needs to be adjusted, like in DAW's, etc.


We can use showmypc.com to remotely access the pc and we can communicate with notepad too.

I'm thinking that this is somehow a good way of fixing stuff that needs pro help.

Like me, I'm having issues with guitar rig that trying all the things google told me won't apply.

Any thoughts? Let's use our resources and help one another.

I have helped a lot of musicians doing DAW configurations.  I use Teamviewer.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: samuelfianza on February 24, 2013, 10:52:23 PM
Hey peeps,

Can I use a USB MIDI Controller (eying for M-Audio Axiom) simultaneously with an Audio Interface (Presonus Audiobox) ???
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: albumin on February 25, 2013, 10:09:06 AM
The biostar I'm not so hot on. I normally recommend Gigabyte and Asus at this time, leaning more on the former. Formerly a contented MSI user until I started getting QC issues (bloated caps). Biostar is not known for being a solid DAW performer... Epox does quite well in some occasions, but look for reports on bloated caps with your preferred mobos.

Set aside some extra budget for a good audio interface. No CDR King please.

will take note of this. yes. will not buy those cheap cdr-kings.. i want to start and do it right that's why as much as possible, i'll buy the best with what i have. i get what i pay for. id rather pay more and be satisfied than being complete but unsatisfied.

thanks sir KitC!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on February 25, 2013, 08:53:21 PM
Hey peeps,

Can I use a USB MIDI Controller (eying for M-Audio Axiom) simultaneously with an Audio Interface (Presonus Audiobox) ???

Yes.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on February 26, 2013, 12:12:16 AM
Yes.

+1
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: darksyde_brianne on March 21, 2013, 08:30:30 AM
question po..
wala pa kasi ako background in pc recording..
pero gustu ko magrecord..
as of now meron akong cpu with :
ASUS M2N68-AM motherboard
Amd Athlon 64 X2 Dual core processor 4200+ 2.21 Ghz
1Gb RAM
Win 7..
no soundcard..
no videocard..

anu po kaya kailangan ko upgrade sa CPU to do decent recording. ?

i have ibanez rg350dxz.
peavey rage258..
zoom G9.2tt..

di kasi ako palagi Online kaya dko mabasa lahat messages and tips dito..
thanx...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on March 21, 2013, 09:21:57 AM
question po..
wala pa kasi ako background in pc recording..
pero gustu ko magrecord..
as of now meron akong cpu with :
ASUS M2N68-AM motherboard
Amd Athlon 64 X2 Dual core processor 4200+ 2.21 Ghz
1Gb RAM
Win 7..
no soundcard..
no videocard..

anu po kaya kailangan ko upgrade sa CPU to do decent recording. ?

i have ibanez rg350dxz.
peavey rage258..
zoom G9.2tt..

di kasi ako palagi Online kaya dko mabasa lahat messages and tips dito..
thanx...

Maybe if you take time to read, your questions will be answered.

That's the best advise I can give.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: darksyde_brianne on March 21, 2013, 10:04:22 AM
Maybe if you take time to read, your questions will be answered.

That's the best advise I can give.





wow.
thanx anyway.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 21, 2013, 10:33:22 AM
@darksyde_brianne - you already have a zoom g9.2tt. Unless you will be recording vocals, you already have an interface. It even comes with Cubase LE. Your pc is capable enough for recording.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on March 21, 2013, 07:58:54 PM
Here's a very portable USB Guitar Interface (http://www.peavey.com/products/index.cfm/item/0/117951/).

Video >>
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: chocotech27 on March 21, 2013, 10:16:07 PM
Mga sir tanong ko lang kung oks ba gamitin yung audio interface ng cdr king. Low badget lang kasi kung hindi ano maganda audio interface na pasok sa budget..

 Thanks mga bro
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on March 22, 2013, 06:25:36 AM
Mga sir tanong ko lang kung oks ba gamitin yung audio interface ng cdr king. Low badget lang kasi kung hindi ano maganda audio interface na pasok sa budget..

 Thanks mga bro

Kung low budget bro, try mo Behringer UCA
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 22, 2013, 09:58:24 AM
The Xport in Tarkuz's link is a good choice plus it has asio support. Another low budget usb soundcard is Asus Xonar U3 although it doesn't have native asio support meaning you will have to use asio4all.

If all you want is audio playback, then get the cdrking. It's no good for recording; questionable build quality and poor drivers not intended for low latency recording. Maybe for podcasts pwede.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on March 22, 2013, 11:28:28 AM
Here's a very portable USB Guitar Interface (http://www.peavey.com/products/index.cfm/item/0/117951/).

Video >>

Available din sa Aphile?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on March 22, 2013, 03:04:08 PM
Oo, available sa Audiophile (http://www.audiophile.ph/index.php/contact).
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: darksyde_brianne on March 28, 2013, 11:43:15 AM
@darksyde_brianne - you already have a zoom g9.2tt. Unless you will be recording vocals, you already have an interface. It even comes with Cubase LE. Your pc is capable enough for recording.



ahhhh..
ok sir salamat...
sa mga nabasa ko kasi dito sa unang pages,
parang ang tataas nang requirements na binibigay nyo na suggestion..
di ko kc alam kung capable ang pc ko kc luma na and built in lang soundcard..
tska may mga nababasa pko dati about latency...

ung unang nagreply kasi sakin parang ang taray..
 :cool:

thanx sa reply sir...
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 28, 2013, 01:59:13 PM
I started recording witn a Pentium MMX that had a speed of 166 MHz!  :-D

It's true na mataas ang requirements lalo pa kapag powerful ang software mo. Try to work muna with what you have. In time, you will see what you need. Let me know if you can record successfully with your gear.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on March 28, 2013, 07:00:48 PM


ahhhh..
ok sir salamat...
sa mga nabasa ko kasi dito sa unang pages,
parang ang tataas nang requirements na binibigay nyo na suggestion..
di ko kc alam kung capable ang pc ko kc luma na and built in lang soundcard..
tska may mga nababasa pko dati about latency...

ung unang nagreply kasi sakin parang ang taray..
 :cool:

thanx sa reply sir...

No offense meant bro.
Just based my reply from your post.

Anyways, sir kit is right.

When I started recording, using a creative sound blaster bundle with P4 with 2gb ram. It can operate the DAW's basic functions.

BUT, when I started to add VST. BOOM!
CPU Usage went to 100% and the audio drops when played back.

But since you have a multi fx already, I don't think you will be using that much vst's.

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jamming_papu on March 28, 2013, 07:11:37 PM
question po..
wala pa kasi ako background in pc recording..
pero gustu ko magrecord..
as of now meron akong cpu with :
ASUS M2N68-AM motherboard
Amd Athlon 64 X2 Dual core processor 4200+ 2.21 Ghz
1Gb RAM
Win 7..
no soundcard..
no videocard..


when I started recording in 2007, my pc specs in terms of computing power back then were just like this. and I made a couple of songs that has 2-8 tracks and everything seems to work well. so to answer the question, interface na lang at dagdag sa RAM and this one is already good. keep in my mind that pc specs has to meet the requirements of which DAW you are going to use. also, I always suggest to get a good reference speaker. I still use my old Samson Resolv for recording at ayun na lang ang natitira sa first recording setup ko after years of upgrades.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on March 28, 2013, 10:05:00 PM
when I started recording in 2007, my pc specs in terms of computing power back then were just like this. and I made a couple of songs that has 2-8 tracks and everything seems to work well. so to answer the question, interface na lang at dagdag sa RAM and this one is already good. keep in my mind that pc specs has to meet the requirements of which DAW you are going to use. also, I always suggest to get a good reference speaker. I still use my old Samson Resolv for recording at ayun na lang ang natitira sa first recording setup ko after years of upgrades.

+1 with the above but remember, RAM is relative to your OS and your requirements. 2 gig is just about the minimum nowadays. With XP, pwede na yan but I felt better at 4 gig even though only a max of 3.2 gig is usable with that OS.

With win7 and win8, 4 gig is just about the minimum. You can survive at at 2 gigs but some applications may run slowly (photoshop comes to mind). If using 64-bit versions, 4 gig minimum is a must. 64-bit is useful if you require more than 4 gigs ram access. Other than that, 32-bit is fine for most uses, especially with vsts that haven't been ported to 64-bit.

Btw, ram has no bearing on cpu speed, but performance can be increased if your ram is running at dual channel, triple channel, or even quad channel mode. It's important that all sticks be matched in this case. Isa pa, your hard drive also has a bearing on overall performance. It's one reason why laptops tend to have less track counts unless their drives are 7200 rpm, which affects battery life naman.

So many variables.

And another plus on having good monitoring. No point in mixing if you can't hear it right. The only secret is that you should KNOW your speakers. It doesn't matter if they're plain component speakers or very expensive monitors, what matters is that your mixes translate well to other systems.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: darksyde_brianne on April 01, 2013, 06:18:34 AM
salamat sa info mga sir...

 8-)

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on April 03, 2013, 10:35:07 AM
Napag-usapan na ata ito dito pero itanong ko na rin. Ang hdd ko ay nakapartition sa dalawang drive. Sa Drive C naka-install ang OS at sa drive D naman mga documents etc. Ok lang ba na yung DAW ko naka-install sa Drive C and yung mga audio files is sa Drive D?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on April 03, 2013, 10:39:16 AM
Napag-usapan na ata ito dito pero itanong ko na rin. Ang hdd ko ay nakapartition sa dalawang drive. Sa Drive C naka-install ang OS at sa drive D naman mga documents etc. Ok lang ba na yung DAW ko naka-install sa Drive C and yung mga audio files is sa Drive D?

Ganyan set up ko sir. Oks naman.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on April 03, 2013, 10:50:12 AM
Ganyan set up ko sir. Oks naman.

Salamat bro!! Yung mga vst at samples mo nasa drive C rin tama ba o yung DAW mo lang talaga ang nasa Drive C?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on April 03, 2013, 11:15:32 AM
Salamat bro!! Yung mga vst at samples mo nasa drive C rin tama ba o yung DAW mo lang talaga ang nasa Drive C?

Yung orig vsts and samples from sonar is on drive c, di ko na nilipat kasi nag eerror minsan, pero yung mga add-ons nsa D.
Including all other softwares etc.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 03, 2013, 12:12:07 PM
Napag-usapan na ata ito dito pero itanong ko na rin. Ang hdd ko ay nakapartition sa dalawang drive. Sa Drive C naka-install ang OS at sa drive D naman mga documents etc. Ok lang ba na yung DAW ko naka-install sa Drive C and yung mga audio files is sa Drive D?

dapat physical drive. wag partition lamang.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on April 03, 2013, 02:30:44 PM
dapat physical drive. wag partition lamang.

So kung physical drive sir, dun na rin dapat nakainstall ang DAW?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 04, 2013, 11:30:54 AM
Xelly, this means that your pc should have at least 2 hard drives. Partitioning the drive sort of divides a single drive into 2 or more drives. This makes the drive head work harder by continuously moving between the 2 physical locations on the drive platter. The physical movement takes time and it has an effect on overall drive performance for DAW operations.

Partitioning was developed at a time when drive sizes were larger than the bios or OS could handle. For ex., the largest FAT16 partition is 4Gb so when they started developing large drives, early DOS and pre-XP windows needed a way to access the extra space. There are advantages to partitioning, including short-stroking, but these are ineffective for DAW operations.

Best practice for DAWs is to have a relatively small main drive 500 Gb or below for OS and programs, and a larger data drive or drives. Largest single single pc configuration I've worked on had 5 internal drives so far (Gerard's) plus a slew of external firewire and usb2 drives. This was an orchestral sample playback machine and some sections like strings needed their own drives to prevent dropouts.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on April 05, 2013, 12:11:27 PM
Sir salamat sa info. Followup question lang. Sa ngayon kasi isa palang ang harddisk ko na nakapartition. Ang best ba na pwede ko gawin is sa system drive ko ilagay ang DAW and audio files pati na mga vsts?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 06, 2013, 12:20:01 PM
Sir salamat sa info. Followup question lang. Sa ngayon kasi isa palang ang harddisk ko na nakapartition. Ang best ba na pwede ko gawin is sa system drive ko ilagay ang DAW and audio files pati na mga vsts?

For now, this is your only option. My advise is not to move anything since it's still working, but plan on getting a second drive soon.

Aside from better performance, think also of data security. What happens when you lose the system drive? Your files may go to data heaven. Recovery software may help, but my experience with those is that heavily fragmented files usually get lost, and audio files often are fragmented especially when you are working on a project. Make sure to have backups of your work.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on April 06, 2013, 01:23:09 PM
For now, this is your only option. My advise is not to move anything since it's still working, but plan on getting a second drive soon.

Aside from better performance, think also of data security. What happens when you lose the system drive? Your files may go to data heaven. Recovery software may help, but my experience with those is that heavily fragmented files usually get lost, and audio files often are fragmented especially when you are working on a project. Make sure to have backups of your work.

Maraming salamat sir Kit!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: albumin on April 09, 2013, 06:15:17 PM
tanong lang sir.

is the difference between the programs which were released, let's say on 2008, that significant? i dont need naman na sobrang hi-fi ng quality.. if not good, just DECENT result sana.. i was hoping if i could get that outcome by using the programs made before..

i dont have a very speedy setup eh.. di kakayanin yung mga bagong programs ngayon. :((
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on April 09, 2013, 06:40:41 PM
tanong lang sir.

is the difference between the programs which were released, let's say on 2008, that significant? i dont need naman na sobrang hi-fi ng quality.. if not good, just DECENT result sana.. i was hoping if i could get that outcome by using the programs made before..

i dont have a very speedy setup eh.. di kakayanin yung mga bagong programs ngayon. :((

Ok na ok pa yun bro! Ang importante alam mo function ng bawat software na gamit mo.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: albumin on April 09, 2013, 06:55:06 PM
Ok na ok pa yun bro! Ang importante alam mo function ng bawat software na gamit mo.

orayt! mapagaaralan naman yan eh.. ang habol ko lang kasi, may magawa na disente.. hindi pa masyado sa quality...

could you recommend an old DAW na magfifit sa specs ng laptop na gamit ko ngayon? (sorry guys.. torrent boy ako)

Processor: AMD Anthlon 64 X2 1.9Ghz
RAM: 2GB DDR2 800mhz
Mobo: HP 30F2
GPU: ATI Radeon HD 3200 (256mb)

also, would the Reaper included in Peavey XPort fit in sa laptop? baka naman kasi mainstall ko nga... mapagana.. pero, mabagal din at baka maapektuhan yung result.. please do advise..

thanks!
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: KitC on April 09, 2013, 10:35:18 PM
Reaper is a 6.5 mb download. No need to torrent it since you can download it freely and use it without limitations. Your laptop will run reaper well enough. I don't use it though since I'm already a registered Sonar user.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: leonard on April 12, 2013, 01:38:33 PM
whats an affordable studio monitor?  im looking at behringer but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on April 12, 2013, 03:05:08 PM
whats an affordable studio monitor?  im looking at behringer but I'm not sure.

It's best to indicate how much you can afford so we can suggest here.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: leonard on April 12, 2013, 05:29:54 PM
It's best to indicate how much you can afford so we can suggest here.

less than 10k if possible.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on April 12, 2013, 06:19:01 PM
less than 10k if possible.

Go for Behringer na nga kung less than 10k. Tulad nang laging sinasabi ni sir Kit, ang importante kabisado mo tunog ng monitors mo.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: leonard on April 17, 2013, 01:44:09 PM
Go for Behringer na nga kung less than 10k. Tulad nang laging sinasabi ni sir Kit, ang importante kabisado mo tunog ng monitors mo.

Thank you  :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: in_the_tent on April 19, 2013, 05:25:51 PM
less than 10k if possible.

10k pair? Check out Samson Media One 5A. You can get one here: http://www.channel.com.ph/product/MEDIAONE-5A/SFSELFAA0000076/?main_cate_no=ACABAA00&display_group=1
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on April 19, 2013, 06:32:41 PM
10k pair? Check out Samson Media One 5A. You can get one here: http://www.channel.com.ph/product/MEDIAONE-5A/SFSELFAA0000076/?main_cate_no=ACABAA00&display_group=1

I visited Channel last Wednesday afternoon. Their prices are negotiable and I am sure you can buy Samson MediaOne 5A from them for less than 10k. Order na, dali!  :)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kelen on April 24, 2013, 04:41:20 PM
Good day awesome people. Eto na naman ako sa recording problem. I have a zoom g3 and im using it as an interface directly connected to my computer. Ok naman siya pag clean ang problem ko is pag may drive na, tunog utot lumalabas. Im using Fl studio by the way. And baka may alam kayong mga tutorial ng fl studio. Hirap ako gamitin eh  :nosebleed:
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on April 24, 2013, 05:08:14 PM
Good day awesome people. Eto na naman ako sa recording problem. I have a zoom g3 and im using it as an interface directly connected to my computer. Ok naman siya pag clean ang problem ko is pag may drive na, tunog utot lumalabas. Im using Fl studio by the way. And baka may alam kayong mga tutorial ng fl studio. Hirap ako gamitin eh  :nosebleed:

Try mo bro yung output settings ng zoom g3. Dapat may parang studio/live out siya at dapat iba rin yung tunog niya kung naka "amp-out". Usually tunog "utot" yun kung naka amp-out.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kelen on April 24, 2013, 06:42:05 PM
Try mo bro yung output settings ng zoom g3. Dapat may parang studio/live out siya at dapat iba rin yung tunog niya kung naka "amp-out". Usually tunog "utot" yun kung naka amp-out.

saan makikita yun? sa global setting nakalagay lang combo amp, stack etc tsaka direct. nagtry din ako sa audacity, ok pag dry signal. pero pag may effects kahit delay lang medyo sabog yung tunog
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on April 24, 2013, 07:08:38 PM
saan makikita yun? sa global setting nakalagay lang combo amp, stack etc tsaka direct. nagtry din ako sa audacity, ok pag dry signal. pero pag may effects kahit delay lang medyo sabog yung tunog

Ayun bro gamitin mo yun DIRECT. Solve na yan.  :-)
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kelen on April 24, 2013, 07:40:02 PM
Ayun bro gamitin mo yun DIRECT. Solve na yan.  :-)

tried it. still sounds utot  :cry:. gusto ko kasi yung parang ganito yung clarity
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on April 24, 2013, 08:34:29 PM
naka on na yung amp simulator?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kelen on April 24, 2013, 09:08:46 PM
naka on na yung amp simulator?


yep. yung feedback ang isa pang nakakapikon. di ko alam kung saan ang source. palagay ko ang culprit is my crappy single coil pups. i have to turn on the noise gate on my g3. another is the clicks and scratchy sound while recording
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kelen on April 25, 2013, 12:07:45 AM
bale ang playback ay nasa amp ko rin. kumapal yung tunog tapos napuputol putol, stutter at screech sound. ganyan sa reaper at fl studio
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: skin on April 25, 2013, 11:14:12 AM
bale ang playback ay nasa amp ko rin. kumapal yung tunog tapos napuputol putol, stutter at screech sound. ganyan sa reaper at fl studio

Are you on ASIO?  Try to install asio4all to fix latency issues.

If you have amp simulator on and your output is still your amp, it wouldn't sound right.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: kelen on April 25, 2013, 12:36:37 PM
Are you on ASIO?  Try to install asio4all to fix latency issues.

If you have amp simulator on and your output is still your amp, it wouldn't sound right.

Yep im running asio4all. Sa amp ang playback ko. Bakit sir anong mayroon pag output ay amp?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on April 28, 2013, 06:18:34 PM
Hi,

I have a question about guitar rig since I was able to re-install it. Alike pod farm, can I use GR to record directly to my daw?

I mean, GR output goes directly to DAW, I tried earlier but the audio driver stops on the DAW while I have GR on stand alone mode.

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on April 28, 2013, 06:30:17 PM
Hi,

I have a question about guitar rig since I was able to re-install it. Alike pod farm, can I use GR to record directly to my daw?

I mean, GR output goes directly to DAW, I tried earlier but the audio driver stops on the DAW while I have GR on stand alone mode.

Ang alam ko bro pwedeng gawing vst plugin yung gr
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on April 28, 2013, 06:32:44 PM
Ang alam ko bro pwedeng gawing vst plugin yung gr

Ganun yung standard set up nya e, pero matakaw sa CPU and RAM.
Then, iba-iba yung console for each track kaya medjo nahihirapan ako.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on April 28, 2013, 06:35:25 PM
Ganun yung standard set up nya e, pero matakaw sa CPU and RAM.
Then, iba-iba yung console for each track kaya medjo nahihirapan ako.

Matakaw talaga sa ram yan bro & cpu yan bro. Pwede mo siguro gawin taasan mo yung buffer size pero magkakaroon ka naman ng latency issues. Ano bang gamit mong interface?
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: jake z on April 28, 2013, 06:38:23 PM
Matakaw talaga sa ram yan bro & cpu yan bro. Pwede mo siguro gawin taasan mo yung buffer size pero magkakaroon ka naman ng latency issues. Ano bang gamit mong interface?

Toneport ux1 bro. Ayaw ko naman ioff yung input monitoring kasi wala rin ako maririnig nun. Tried to use google, pero puro trolling nababasa ko.haha.

Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: Xelly on April 28, 2013, 07:05:06 PM
Toneport ux1 bro. Ayaw ko naman ioff yung input monitoring kasi wala rin ako maririnig nun. Tried to use google, pero puro trolling nababasa ko.haha.

Sa akin naman bro usually naka-off yung input monitoring tapos pakinggan ko nlang yung tunog ng effect ng plugin sa playback.
Title: Re: Setting up your PC for Recording
Post by: crazyvoice on May 01, 2013, 01:23:26 AM
Hi, please help me naman I just bought Samson Co1u, and expecting to get lower white noise or hiss sound but then malakas pa