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Title: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mixes?
Post by: skunkyfunk on July 15, 2007, 02:07:48 PM
Honestly, when "Turning My Safety On" came out on radio, I was stupified by how great the production/recording and mixing was done.  Apparently Allen, their bassist did the work.  It was a world-class recording IMO.  Hence the anticipation for the album on my part.  But when I listened to the album promo on radio, is it just me, but, the album sounds way too clean.  Sterile IMO for THEIR sound.  They play soul/funk, so a little dirt could have been added, pretty much like the original "Turning My Safety On" mix. 

Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mixes?
Post by: spilledmilk on July 17, 2007, 10:21:31 AM
when "turning..." came out on radio and mtv/myx, akala ko electronica group sila (parang drip)...
yep i have the CD! i bought it twice! yep, i think ok sya pero i also noticed how over produced/clean it was. sa kotse ko pa lang napapatugtog eh...havent tried sa home component.

about the album mix being different from the pre-release mixes...may storya daw ito e...pero im not sure how accurate ung alam kong version...annywaaaay...it was a sad story
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mixes?
Post by: sponkel on July 17, 2007, 05:45:23 PM
tell the story!
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mix
Post by: skunkyfunk on July 17, 2007, 05:48:28 PM
tell the story!

Spilledmilk also needs a good lawyer in case he gets himself in a not-so-good situation.  :-D
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mixes?
Post by: spilledmilk on July 17, 2007, 06:52:55 PM
haha nahhhh

anyway ung alam ko naman is tsismis lang...so i dunno...
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mixes?
Post by: lilith on July 18, 2007, 05:38:57 AM
haha nahhhh

anyway ung alam ko naman is tsismis lang...so i dunno...


which story? that labels get to call the shot on how the songs are supposed to be mixed in the album?   :|

dunno if this is true. but i would rily love to get a hold of a copy of the unreleased album/ep, kung meron man.
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mixes?
Post by: Gep on July 18, 2007, 03:00:46 PM
I won't get sued for this one because Allen himself said this:

"They removed every element that I contributed to the album. Basically, the bass guitar, the rhodes in this particular track, and replaced it with session musicians... It doesn't sound the same because my lines are under my copyright."

"They also had it remixed by another mixing engineer, and trashed my mixes. The reasons are too lengthy and inappropriate to be written in this forum. But when you get the chance, buy their album and judge for yourself whether you prefer the old one of the new one. peace
=)"
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mixes?
Post by: tempo on July 18, 2007, 08:18:47 PM
haha nahhhh

anyway ung alam ko naman is tsismis lang...so i dunno...


which story? that labels get to call the shot on how the songs are supposed to be mixed in the album?   :|

dunno if this is true. but i would rily love to get a hold of a copy of the unreleased album/ep, kung meron man.


dati may 3 songs ang sino sikat sa myspace account nila. this was before they released the album. it was totally different from the mix on the album, mas "madumi" yung sound nila (in a good way). i think it was turning my safety off, telepono, & praning. but i would still give credit to allen umali, he is such a good musician...

nevertheless, i still love their album. go buy the album!









Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mix
Post by: skunkyfunk on July 19, 2007, 02:36:27 AM
I won't get sued for this one because Allen himself said this:

"They removed every element that I contributed to the album. Basically, the bass guitar, the rhodes in this particular track, and replaced it with session musicians... It doesn't sound the same because my lines are under my copyright."

"They also had it remixed by another mixing engineer, and trashed my mixes. The reasons are too lengthy and inappropriate to be written in this forum. But when you get the chance, buy their album and judge for yourself whether you prefer the old one of the new one. peace
=)"

Hands down... the older mixes sound WAYYYY BETTER. 
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mixes?
Post by: sponkel on July 19, 2007, 10:51:14 AM
anyone have a link to the old mixes?

I have only heard them through the CD (which I guess has the new mix)....

Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mixes?
Post by: spilledmilk on July 19, 2007, 04:28:08 PM
I even have live bootlegs!!!!!

well...ang habol ko lang naman talaga is yung si KAT (este boses ni KAT) hehehe
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mixes?
Post by: starfugger on July 23, 2007, 05:53:07 AM
ang galing pala nila!  :-o
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mix
Post by: skunkyfunk on July 23, 2007, 10:06:29 AM
haha nahhhh

anyway ung alam ko naman is tsismis lang...so i dunno...


which story? that labels get to call the shot on how the songs are supposed to be mixed in the album?   :|

dunno if this is true. but i would rily love to get a hold of a copy of the unreleased album/ep, kung meron man.

nevertheless, i still love their album. go buy the album!











I won't buy an album that doesn't possess what I want to hear. Much worse if I heard it before and it's not gonna be in my hands.
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mixes?
Post by: starfugger on July 23, 2007, 01:08:42 PM
i'd buy it for the music.  i heard one song and i'd say im willing to fork out the cash for even just the promise of another song as good as the one i heard. 

being audio enthusiasts can really spoil the fun for us sometimes.  i was at some bar lately listening to live music again.  i found it difficult to enjoy the show because of the bad acoustics.  the place just didn't do the artists any justice (but the really good performers still cut through somehow).  in the end though, i told myself to stop worrying about the sound quality and immerse myself in the music and energy of the performers.   :-)

as far as sino sikat is concerned, i got to listen to Akin Ka and i would say it's a pretty darn good recording.  the drum sounds are too clean and in-your-face for the genre i think but there are really no set rules as to how an artist should or should not sound.  what matters is if the music breathes.  that one definitely does. 
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mix
Post by: skunkyfunk on July 24, 2007, 10:29:45 AM
i'd buy it for the music.  i heard one song and i'd say im willing to fork out the cash for even just the promise of another song as good as the one i heard. 

being audio enthusiasts can really spoil the fun for us sometimes.  i was at some bar lately listening to live music again.  i found it difficult to enjoy the show because of the bad acoustics.  the place just didn't do the artists any justice (but the really good performers still cut through somehow).  in the end though, i told myself to stop worrying about the sound quality and immerse myself in the music and energy of the performers.   :-)

as far as sino sikat is concerned, i got to listen to Akin Ka and i would say it's a pretty darn good recording.  the drum sounds are too clean and in-your-face for the genre i think but there are really no set rules as to how an artist should or should not sound.  what matters is if the music breathes.  that one definitely does. 

You have a point there Hazel.  But what holds me back from buying the album are:

1)  Allen is not part of the band now.  And he is one of the people I really admire in the business.
2)  Allen's work on the old mixes were superior to the ones I hear in the commercial release.  Diba parang baliktad?  The commercial releases should sound much better than the demo mixes.  Apparently there was a band member revamp.  Hence the statements of Allen.
3)  I'm a tone freak.  I'm not really pro hi-fi though.  More of the "what works" type of person. 

Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mixes?
Post by: sponkel on August 09, 2007, 10:20:09 AM
just bought the album

galing nila

but yeah the production was too clean for their type of sound (at least what I expect their music to sound in my head).

Tsaka napansin ko parang iba yung pagka-mix ng turning my safety off sa album, mas madumi sya than the others, is this the original mix, or did they just make that track dirtier on purpose?

Anyways, magaling sila talaga.
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mix
Post by: Jim Ayson on August 09, 2007, 12:28:28 PM
I dunno if it was discussed here or in the Bass Place but Rommel de la Cruz played bass on the album instead of Allen Umali. In my mind (though I havent heard the album but I have a CD of their demo) that would make a big difference right there.
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mixes?
Post by: dayuhanspace on August 09, 2007, 01:23:26 PM

 Yan ang usually nagiging problema pag ang isang good indie band ay na sign up sa isang major label. the company decides what to play,who to play with and how you look kaya nasasayang yun pagka orig sound at spirit ng banda.
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mixes?
Post by: aya_yuson on August 14, 2007, 04:44:03 PM

 Yan ang usually nagiging problema pag ang isang good indie band ay na sign up sa isang major label. the company decides what to play,who to play with and how you look kaya nasasayang yun pagka orig sound at spirit ng banda.

Nope, that had nothing to do with it in this particular case. Allen and Sinosikat parted ways because they wanted to.
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mix
Post by: sponkel on August 14, 2007, 07:25:50 PM
Quote
Allen and Sinosikat parted ways because they wanted to.

sayang nga, one of my favorite tracks was the one Allen wrote - -Tragic Beauty
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mixes?
Post by: nO RLY on August 18, 2007, 01:44:30 PM
nasa producers din yan siguro. or how the way it was mixed. sina Vic Mercado pati Nathan Azarcon producers ng album ng Sinosikat?. siguro may twineak sila ng kaunti sa mga kanta ng sinosikat. may inibang melody, fill, etc. :-)
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mixes?
Post by: jasonsteele99 on September 09, 2007, 11:08:51 PM
I have listened to the old mixes and compared it with the album mixes.Two songs nga lang Turning My Safety Off and So Blue. Iba nga pero  pareho naman maganda.

Buy the album. Sulit kayo sa pera nyo. =)
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mixes?
Post by: jeff_proX40 on October 28, 2007, 05:38:53 AM
Galing nila. pero parang sobrang linis ng pag mix. mas ok talaga yung halatang ginawa parin ng tao yung tugtugan. hehe
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mixes?
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 29, 2007, 10:06:00 AM
they sound great...swabeng swabe lng.  :-D

i want to hear their previous recordings with Allen on bass.  kasi ung mga narinig ko na songs nila, si Rommel na ung bass, eh mgaling naman kasi sya tlga eh kaya ganda rin ng mix nya with the other bandmates.  :-D
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mix
Post by: acousticky14 on October 29, 2007, 04:59:37 PM
ang galing nila nung una kong narinig yung song nila na so blue pati yung turning my safety off.. hanap agad ako sa youtube ng videos nila, ang galing eh! bibili na nga ako ng album nila soon..  :-D
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mix
Post by: the_fuzz on January 17, 2008, 01:32:41 PM
This is nick by the way of sinosikat? To all of you, thanks for appreciating the music. We hope to write more songs that you can enjoy in the future. Whatever happens, and whatever rumors you hear about us, I do hope you let the music speak for itself. Thanks, and god bless.
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mix
Post by: cheezemeistah on December 29, 2008, 04:22:20 AM
isa sa bandang paborito ko na local ngaun...  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mix
Post by: mayk_bam on January 05, 2009, 10:50:31 AM
This is nick by the way of sinosikat? To all of you, thanks for appreciating the music. We hope to write more songs that you can enjoy in the future. Whatever happens, and whatever rumors you hear about us, I do hope you let the music speak for itself. Thanks, and god bless.

hi bro, do you have a second album coming up soon?
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mix
Post by: cheezemeistah on January 16, 2009, 05:48:52 AM
cant get enough of this band... galing!!!
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mix
Post by: lance2dbeat on February 18, 2009, 08:04:29 AM
Hands down... the older mixes sound WAYYYY BETTER. 

sabi nga nila :-) ..trip ko ko pa rin kahit ano sa luma o bago! hahaha... pero astig yung luma nung "tragic beauty" nilang kanta.. :) the best for me  :lol:
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mixes?
Post by: lance2dbeat on February 18, 2009, 08:07:00 AM
I even have live bootlegs!!!!!

well...ang habol ko lang naman talaga is yung si KAT (este boses ni KAT) hehehe

i heard their bootlegs... ayun na rin eh! mismo na.. bakit pa kaya pinalitan?!! "Tragic Beauty" pa rin! :lol: she whispers slow and makes you shiver, she's a wildchild..
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mix
Post by: cheezemeistah on February 21, 2009, 05:17:04 AM
yung song nila na sino... lakas ng dating... strong and bada$$ ung lyrics... as far as i know... ginawa ni nick etong song para kay kat... yung tipong kung ano sasabihin ni kat kung may lumapit na guy.... ata... not so sure...pero ok sila.... taas pinoy artist
Title: Sinosikat? Original Masters
Post by: allenumali on March 23, 2009, 05:01:11 AM
Here they are... I didn't get anything for this at all so you shouldn't either  :mrgreen:

http://allenumali.multiply.com/music/item/372/Sinosikat_Original_Masters
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mixes?
Post by: red lights on October 06, 2016, 07:46:21 AM
nasa producers din yan siguro. or how the way it was mixed. sina Vic Mercado pati Nathan Azarcon producers ng album ng Sinosikat?. siguro may twineak sila ng kaunti sa mga kanta ng sinosikat. may inibang melody, fill, etc. :-)


pwede! siguro, sa aking pananaw lang naman, baka may sabotaheng naganap
Title: Re: Sinosikat? Original Masters
Post by: CeL1916 on October 15, 2016, 09:08:55 AM
Here they are... I didn't get anything for this at all so you shouldn't either  :mrgreen:

http://allenumali.multiply.com/music/item/372/Sinosikat_Original_Masters

Sayang wala na yung site, allen active ka pa ba? Hahaha



Meron ako nung album pero di ko alam na may unang version pala yun. Gusto ko tuloy marinig
Title: Re: Sinosikat? Original Masters
Post by: red lights on October 19, 2016, 07:49:26 AM
Sayang wala na yung site, allen active ka pa ba? Hahaha



Meron ako nung album pero di ko alam na may unang version pala yun. Gusto ko tuloy marinig


oo nga eh, ako din gusto kong marinig.
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mixes?
Post by: samuelfianza on November 09, 2016, 12:20:48 AM
Ngayon ko lang nalaman ito. Gusto ko rin marinig ung original versions.
Title: Re: SINOSIKAT: Why does the album sound utterly different from the original mixes?
Post by: ryechua on November 11, 2016, 04:55:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/user/allenumali/videos