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Offline guitbox

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Foreign Recording vs. Local Recording
« on: October 03, 2008, 01:46:08 PM »
mga sir/ma'am, am just curious---
i just noticed that music recordings done abroad (in the US in particular) seem to have better quality sound-wise.

is it bec. of the equipment used?  physical set-up of the studio?
one (extreme) example of this is the Christian OPM albums vs. foreign made Christian albums---parang ang layo talaga.

pls. don't get me wrong though, am not saying that we should sound like them (foreigners), am referring to sound quality--->instruments, recording overall.

any thoughts?
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Re: Foreign Recording vs. Local Recording
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2008, 04:26:45 PM »
mga sir/ma'am, am just curious---
i just noticed that music recordings done abroad (in the US in particular) seem to have better quality sound-wise.

is it bec. of the equipment used?  physical set-up of the studio?

for me, i think it's both the equipment (the board, processors, fx used, the chain of the fx, instruments etc.) and the studio (size etc.).

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Re: Foreign Recording vs. Local Recording
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2008, 04:30:25 PM »
mga sir/ma'am, am just curious---
i just noticed that music recordings done abroad (in the US in particular) seem to have better quality sound-wise.

is it bec. of the equipment used?  physical set-up of the studio?
one (extreme) example of this is the Christian OPM albums vs. foreign made Christian albums---parang ang layo talaga.

what particular christian opm album are you referring to sir?

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Re: Foreign Recording vs. Local Recording
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2008, 05:48:43 PM »
won't mention names, but if you ever hear one---you'll know what i mean.
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Re: Foreign Recording vs. Local Recording
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2008, 05:58:03 PM »
Aside from the obvious budget constraints.... it's how to record the hi hat. Which local recording doesn't have annoyingly loud hi hats? :D
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Re: Foreign Recording vs. Local Recording
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2008, 08:54:56 PM »
Aside from the obvious budget constraints.... it's how to record the hi hat. Which local recording doesn't have annoyingly loud hi hats? :D

Dude, honestly, that can be cured in the mastering process.  Provided you  did not boost the hihat like you did to the snare drum. :D

A simple compression notch at around 7KHz can help tame  that.

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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2008, 07:31:36 AM »
Aside from the obvious budget constraints.... it's how to record the hi hat. Which local recording doesn't have annoyingly loud hi hats? :D

Absoutely right............

i see a lot of young drummers playing 4 beats instead of 8 beats when the song and bass gitar are requesting 8 and opening up the hats so they have a lot of noise..........
I call that "lazy" drummers, they are not used to play fast hi hat beats, if you ask them to play 8 they can not do it and go back to 4 with open hats so at least it  sounds "full".....................
I think this is originating from the " metal" scene?

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Re: Foreign Recording vs. Local Recording
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2008, 10:33:51 AM »
Dude, honestly, that can be cured in the mastering process.  Provided you  did not boost the hihat like you did to the snare drum. :D

A simple compression notch at around 7KHz can help tame  that.

that wouldn't be mastering that takes care of that, the mixing step takes care of balancing out all the tracks. if the mixing engineer did his job, you'd have a well balanced mix even before the tracks are sent to the mastering house for final processing.
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Re: Foreign Recording vs. Local Recording
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2008, 11:31:43 AM »
In my opinion, there are also bad sounding recordings done by foreigners.

Case in point is the high profile band Metallica, their last two albums sound like s*#^. There are also super clean and super tight recordings done abroad that lack "feel" - case in point, Avenged Sevenfold's latest album. It's like going through the motions.

As to OPM Christian albums, I would suppose it's the message that counts, not the sound quality.

Bottomline is we're not so far behind considering our disadvantage on the side of resources and facilities, I can state without hesistation that song recordings from the Philiipines punch above their weight.


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Re: Foreign Recording vs. Local Recording
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2008, 11:37:37 AM »
IMO, you have to consider the time factor too

most of these local recordings are limited by time and budget.

some artists only have x number of hours budget to record, some naman who are recording per song either don't have previous experience recording or have the "pwede na yan" mentality. while recording when the raw mix is being played, typical expression ng artist "WOW ANG GANDA! pwedeng pede na yan!" but actually the song needs a lot of work to do.

anyway it all boils down to budget, those foriegn artists have access to big fat recording budgets and very high end equipment and rooms





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Re: Foreign Recording vs. Local Recording
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2008, 06:20:15 PM »
I want to add something on my own opinion. Some "old" sound engineer, are stucked to a "formula to a hit song" they have been accustomed to over the years. The sound may have been outdated already and better mix can be done with available equiptment.

Additional factor is time. Pressure from the corporate side to meet the deadline.

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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2008, 09:06:17 AM »
In my opinion, there are also bad sounding recordings done by foreigners.


i totally agree bro.  i think i should rephrase my first post that MOST of the foreign recordings are better.  bec. regardless of where you're from, there is ALWAYS "exemptions to the rule".


As to OPM Christian albums, I would suppose it's the message that counts, not the sound quality.


believe me, i absolutely agree.  but being a Christian myself, quality SHOULD NOT be in anyway left behind---as a matter of fact, excellence is required bec. the Lord is no less than excellent.  but, that is not the point of this thread.  we're talking about sound quality as stated in the first post.  thanks anyhow, point taken positively.   :-D



Bottomline is we're not so far behind considering our disadvantage on the side of resources and facilities, I can state without hesistation that song recordings from the Philiipines punch above their weight.


sounds good to me and hope that we do even better in the coming years.  :-D
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Re: Foreign Recording vs. Local Recording
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2008, 09:39:14 AM »
Let me add my few cents.

Problems of local recordings:
1)  Arrangement of the song
2)  Micing techniques in capturing the recording process
3)  Lack of understanding the frequency characteristics of instruments and voice. especially in the presence and low frequencies (bass and kick)
4)  Lack of understanding in the use of effects and outboard
5)  Tonal and spectral balance in the mix

I was just listening to some mixes of new local releases and had a chance of AB'ing these with new foreign releases as well.  These are a few of my observations.

Solutions:
1)  Study all the above through research and actual sonic comparisons with local and foreign recorded products;
2)  Correct monitors and monitoring environments (forget cheapos - these will not give you your desired results)
3)  Be on the look out for innovations, new mix and sound procedures and room for improving your craft
4)  Be more sensitive to sonic balance, i. e., frequencies, ambiance, depth, staging, voice vs instruments, instruments vs instruments, etc.
5)  Always try to aim for intelligibility and clarity.

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Re: Foreign Recording vs. Local Recording
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2008, 03:33:30 PM »
Do you honestly think if you hired Kevin Shirley to produce a record, and had a 5-hour budget to record and mix a song in a local studio, he could nail the best results?

The answer is PLAIN NO.

As I see, the main problem is BUDGET, but the father of recording budget concerns is PRIORITIES.

Do you know that record companies shell out millions for an album release, where the biggest chunk goes to marketing (payolas, print, press releases, etc.) while you would hardly get 6 figures for a MAJOR STUDIO budget?  I think the real problem is the whole business model of record companies in the country. 

As I see it, recording budgets don't get as fat as say, the foreign budgets simply because we opt for minimal results in recording to gain the most profit.  Why should the executive producer buy you a Craviotto snare if he can use the snare in the studio?  Why should you spend time experimenting on miking and drum tuning when "everything can be fixed in the mix"?  Why mess with an amp if you can go DI?  Why not rent a Hammond organ if the Korg X5D can do the job? 

As you can see, there are a lot of 'shortcuts' being employed for obvious economic reasons.  "Eh hindi naman maarte ang Pinoy na makikinig eh.  Hindi naman siguro malayo ang tunog ng simpleng drum sound at high quality drum recordings para sa isang FX driver na nakikinig sa Love Radio..." 

We're pretty much stuck in a paradigm where, "Gusto ko puhunan singko, pero ang tubo barko..."  Hence, some artists decide to take the DIY route thinking they can take full artistic control over a project.  The bad thing however, is some artists still need to develop their recording skills (i.e. ears, taste, and the science of it all) so they can utilize their equipment properly.  While I admit I have heard DIY recordings that can compete with major local releases, still, there is a myriad of rotten indie recordings too.

Sa mastering pati, alam mo nang budget-wise kapos tayo.  In the foreign countries, mastering studios don't go less than $300/song.  I hardly see an album mastered locally not until Zach opened his facility in Merville.  Some people don't even know how important (and what) mastering is!

I think the challenge for both indie and signed artists is to be persistent in asking for more world-class resources to make a record, studio time included.  You may decide to record at budget studios (ehem), major studios (eg Tracks, Sound Creation, GC4, etc.) , or at home using a computer.  Bottomline is, optimize the resources you have bearing in mind the results as a means to an end.  Don't fool yourself into thinking your vocal recordings using Shure PG58 can always beat a Neumann U87 or an RCA 44B.  (Can occur that a vocalist in a bad-sounding room using an SM58 can compete with another badly-recorded vocalist through a U87, but not always.)