Author Topic: heels up... down, sliding, heel-toe... etc... (Read 3441 times)

Pearlboy · « **on:** February 14, 2009, 11:22:48 PM »

hi guys... ive been playing drums since highschool, and ive used the heels down technique since then... which proved to be very effective... playing church music... ive realized now how barbaric it was when i watched youtube lessons...

the dilema is, every technique have pros and cons, and i want to know which technique is the most practical to learn, meaning, which technique is the most versatile... (kung may i-ma-master ka na technique, ano un?)

ill be giving basic drum lessons for poor kids this summer (for free) please help me out in identifying the best technique for the kids to practice.

thanks.

andreiandrei · « **Reply #1 on:** February 15, 2009, 08:24:53 AM »

kung para sa mga bata, sa basic muna syempre..
tingin ko heels up.. kasi yun ang kadalasang unang tinuturo sa basic lessons on how to play the bass drum. ayun lang naman.
pero okay din naman heels down kasama sa ituturo mo.. kasi ndedevelop noon yung muscles sa paa..

Pearlboy · « **Reply #2 on:** February 15, 2009, 08:54:56 AM »

thanks man... pero syempre magtatanong ung mga bata sakin kung ano ung best...

here's my possible answer, pero baka mali...:
A.) heels up- powerful but less control (for softer playing)
B.) heels down- best for control but punches weak, easily strain your leg muscles.
C.) sliding- powerful, fast, wown't strain your leg muscles... but less control "yata".
D.) heel-toe - fast, powerful, good control, clean... but will strain your leg at some point, and it seems that its only good for playing two consecutive kicks... sa mga single single parang useless.

this is just what i think... ive never used all of them extensively... and i hope you guys can make pros and cons comments as well para maging productive itong topic. thanks mga boss.

andreiandrei · « **Reply #3 on:** February 15, 2009, 09:08:29 AM »

yung sliding ba na tinutukoy mo is swivel technique?

ako para sa akin na sanay sa heels up, mas may control ako doon. sanayan or nasa pag pwesto na din sa throne yun.

masyado na kasing advance yung swivel and yung heel toe technique kung sa mga bata pa lang ituturo.

maganda kung sa basic muna talaga. yun yung foundation para sa mga susunod pang matututunan nila.

Pearlboy · « **Reply #4 on:** February 15, 2009, 10:03:27 AM »

no, ung sliding... un ung sliding motion up and down the pedal... iba pa ung swivel.

tranquildomain · « **Reply #5 on:** February 15, 2009, 01:29:13 PM »

Since day 1 heel up tinuro sakin and I suggest this as the basic and important foot style you can have speed, power and precision

IncX · « **Reply #6 on:** February 15, 2009, 01:41:19 PM »

Sliding is actually very similar to heel-toe in terms of function. you dont do continuos 16 note stuff with it.

sliding feels a lot more natural to me, probably because the normal pearl elims footboard cant accomodate my size 10 (or was it 9.5) foot.

ironically, i just got Axis double peds with long footboards

but i seem to like the sliding motion a lot more since it is compatible with heels up ...

the rest, i agree with Pearlboy.

i started playing heels down because of instinct. it took me awhile to do heels up. i suggest you teach heels up since heels down can be learned thru instinct (i wonder if this applies to the general pop)

mambo · « **Reply #7 on:** February 15, 2009, 02:45:44 PM »

Quote from: Pearlboy on February 15, 2009, 08:54:56 AM

thanks man... pero syempre magtatanong ung mga bata sakin kung ano ung best...

here's my possible answer, pero baka mali...:
A.) heels up- powerful but less control (for softer playing)
B.) heels down- best for control but punches weak, easily strain your leg muscles.
C.) sliding- powerful, fast, wown't strain your leg muscles... but less control "yata".
D.) heel-toe - fast, powerful, good control, clean... but will strain your leg at some point, and it seems that its only good for playing two consecutive kicks... sa mga single single parang useless.

this is just what i think... ive never used all of them extensively... and i hope you guys can make pros and cons comments as well para maging productive itong topic. thanks mga boss.

ituro mo nalang lahat ng techniques, give them exercises for each tapos kung nasanay na sila, bahala na sila kung sa sila kumportable at kung ano ang mas preferred nila. ang maganda dun, alam nila lahat ng technique so magagamit nila yun for different types of playing.

kimpoy19 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 15, 2009, 06:49:28 PM »

ako kasi natuto sa heels up e, depende rin sa surrounding yan sir,

here's my possible answer, pero baka mali...:
A.) heels up- powerful but less control (for softer playing)
B.) heels down- best for control but punches weak, easily strain your leg muscles.
C.) sliding- powerful, fast, wown't strain your leg muscles... but less control "yata".
D.) heel-toe - fast, powerful, good control, clean... but will strain your leg at some point, and it seems that its only good for playing two consecutive kicks... sa mga single single parang useless.

ituro nyo na rin po yung basic ng lahat, then tanong niyo kung saan sila comfortable,

kung yung the best nalang, yung standard technique nalang po.

Pearlboy · « **Reply #9 on:** February 15, 2009, 09:06:53 PM »

nice! thanks mga boss... i guess ill just let them chose... pero bigyan ko sila ng lesson sa lahat.

incX, would you say that sliding is better than heel-toe and swivel? medyo mahal lang mag-heel-toe noh... coz it works better with long boards...

marko21 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 15, 2009, 09:36:04 PM »

I think mas madali gawin ang sliding kesa heeltoe.

IncX · « **Reply #11 on:** February 15, 2009, 10:19:57 PM »

Quote from: Pearlboy on February 15, 2009, 09:06:53 PM

nice! thanks mga boss... i guess ill just let them chose... pero bigyan ko sila ng lesson sa lahat.

incX, would you say that sliding is better than heel-toe and swivel? medyo mahal lang mag-heel-toe noh... coz it works better with long boards...

swivel is different since its purpose is continuous 16 notes while both heel toe and slide are used to "steal" a 16 note in an 8 note pattern and a 32 note on a 16 note pattern.

i dont think one of the two is better... although i have to admit, mas madali talaga yung slide foot since applicable sya sa lahat na footboards (medyo mahirap konti sa long boards, hehehe... polar opposite sila ng heel toe).

LpDRMR · « **Reply #12 on:** February 16, 2009, 12:00:57 PM »

okey yung heels down pag Jazz yung tinutugtog, para hindi lumalagapak yung bass drum, bale pag magbibigay ka ng mas malakas na volume sa bass drum mo eh i heels up mo.,
yung heel-toe naman at sa slide eh depende kung saan ka unang nasanay, sakin kasi mas nasanay ako sa heel-toe.
ang sa tingin ko lang disadvantage ng heel-toe eh madaling makasira ng pedal., lalo na pag nagpapractice ka palang.

opinion ko lang..

Pearlboy · « **Reply #13 on:** February 16, 2009, 12:02:59 PM »

idol ko tong si incX! puro tama mga comments nito!

so swivel for continuous with equal interval kicks... and sliding for incidentals? tama ba? try ko nga un...

dave weckl uses sliding and swivel at the same time... sa second kick slide at swivel.

kimpoy19 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 16, 2009, 07:20:35 PM »

Quote from: Pearlboy on February 16, 2009, 12:02:59 PM

dave weckl uses sliding and swivel at the same time... sa second kick slide at swivel.

IncX · « **Reply #15 on:** February 17, 2009, 10:39:28 PM »

Quote from: Pearlboy on February 16, 2009, 12:02:59 PM

idol ko tong si incX! puro tama mga comments nito!

so swivel for continuous with equal interval kicks... and sliding for incidentals? tama ba? try ko nga un...

dave weckl uses sliding and swivel at the same time... sa second kick slide at swivel.

*lol*

im a beginner learning drums, so im just sharing which one's i find hard.

im learning both, and swivel is hell hard! while slide is a lot easier...

i still cant "steal" slides in 16 note double bass patterns though....

_carlo · « **Reply #16 on:** February 18, 2009, 10:28:53 AM »

better siguro kung ituro mo un heels down. nakakapagod sa paa un heels up pag tumagal lalo na pag beginner plng, mawawala lng sa tempo un estudyante mo pag napagod, since bago plng dn, control is better than power. ms madedevelop p un paa, unlike sa heels up n baka more on legs un madevelop

mambo · « **Reply #17 on:** February 19, 2009, 12:20:00 AM »

Quote from: IncX on February 17, 2009, 10:39:28 PM

*lol*

im a beginner learning drums, so im just sharing which one's i find hard.

im learning both, and swivel is hell hard! while slide is a lot easier...

i still cant "steal" slides in 16 note double bass patterns though....

sliding is back and forth lang ang motion ng foot diba? tama ba?
swivel kasi inaaral ko ngayon, at mukang mas less effort sya compare sa slide...(kung tama yung pagkakaintindi ko sa slide).

Pearlboy · « **Reply #18 on:** February 19, 2009, 07:43:30 AM »

yup un nga ung slide pare.

dami na inputs ah... thanks mga bossing.

andreiandrei · « **Reply #19 on:** February 19, 2009, 10:00:23 AM »

ah okay okay.. kuha ko na.. hmm..
siguro mas maganda nga swivel..
kasi eto yung mas una kong inaral.. kahit ndi ko pa tlaga perfect.. mas less effort nga.. pero andun yung bigay niyang power na gusto mo..

lil.drummerboy · « **Reply #20 on:** February 19, 2009, 02:30:43 PM »

siguro heel down muna para lalakas paa nila. tapos heel up din sunod

IncX · « **Reply #21 on:** February 19, 2009, 10:39:47 PM »

Quote from: mambo on February 19, 2009, 12:20:00 AM

sliding is back and forth lang ang motion ng foot diba? tama ba?
swivel kasi inaaral ko ngayon, at mukang mas less effort sya compare sa slide...(kung tama yung pagkakaintindi ko sa slide).

its more of sliding from the lower part of the pedal to the upper part of the pedal and going back to the lower part again, so theres this "lag" that wont make it into complete 16 notes.

im not sure what the other variations of this is though.....

Litrumboy · « **Reply #22 on:** February 21, 2009, 10:02:37 AM »

I recommend heel-down if you're teaching a kid
mas madali nilang matutunan yun then heel-up pagnasanay na sila sa heel-down

Tapos kung magaling-galing nasiya sliding na and depends sa tension na i-aaply mo kasi pagmatigas di makakapag slide

thats all

Ganyan ako nagsimula, I was 6 yrs. old

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Author Topic: heels up... down, sliding, heel-toe... etc... (Read 3441 times)