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Offline brokensticks

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Re: Pearl Demon Drive vs DW 9000
« on: August 05, 2009, 01:49:18 AM »
Hi folks,

just want to know you opinions which pedal do you think has superior features
This is not a question about feel because it will vary. This is about the engineering of the pedals.

Here are some of the features of DW 9000s

Infinite Adjustable Cam
Free-Floating Rotor Drive system
Floating Swivel spring
Ball Bearing hinge
Double Chain/ Strap Drive
footboard height adjustment
http://dwdrums.com/pedals/9000Pedals.htm

Pearl Demon Drives
Ninja Bearings
Duo Deck (short/longboard config)
Beater Stroke Adjustment
Direct Drive Adjustment
footboard Height Adjustment
Adjustable traction plate
http://www.pearldrum.com/Products/Hardware/Drum-Pedals/p-3000.aspx

Given these, which pedal do you think is better engineered?  :-o
How do/will their features affect the motion of the pedal? You can cite examples here if you can (from experience or literature) :-)
If ever, which pedal will you choose? :?


Glad to have your inputs. :-)

live free, drum well :-)

Offline phfreq

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Re: pearl Demon Drive vs DW 9000
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2009, 05:35:16 AM »
better engineered? IMHO, relative yon. Depends on:

ano ba ung design objectives?
ano ba ung problem na sinosolve?
how much does it cost to manufacture them?
ano ung reliability?
ano ung time-to-fail nya (meaning gaano kabilis masira)
ilan ung bumabagsak sa quality check?
gaano kahigpit yung process control nila?
ano ang failure/defect rate once nasa market na?
sino ba ang intended users? gaano karami ang user base?
marami pang iba...

para sa akin, engineering is not only about "features", it's about solution and applications.. it's how the "concept" / science is translated into something usefull and solves the problems.

and dahil dito, it still boils down to personal preference dahil ibang problem ang sinosolve ng direct drive and ibang problem din naman ang sinosolve ng chain drives. Example is, hindi rin lahat ng tao eh problema yung "lag" na sinasabing problem na sinosolve nung direct drives.. And the same way hindi rin lahat ng "lag" eh problem sa ibang tao, in fact, minsan gusto pa nga nila yon.



Offline brokensticks

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Re: pearl Demon Drive vs DW 9000
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2009, 06:19:03 AM »
better engineered? IMHO, relative yon. Depends on:

ano ba ung design objectives?
ano ba ung problem na sinosolve?
how much does it cost to manufacture them?
ano ung reliability?
ano ung time-to-fail nya (meaning gaano kabilis masira)
ilan ung bumabagsak sa quality check?
gaano kahigpit yung process control nila?
ano ang failure/defect rate once nasa market na?
sino ba ang intended users? gaano karami ang user base?
marami pang iba...

para sa akin, engineering is not only about "features", it's about solution and applications.. it's how the "concept" / science is translated into something usefull and solves the problems.

and dahil dito, it still boils down to personal preference dahil ibang problem ang sinosolve ng direct drive and ibang problem din naman ang sinosolve ng chain drives. Example is, hindi rin lahat ng tao eh problema yung "lag" na sinasabing problem na sinosolve nung direct drives.. And the same way hindi rin lahat ng "lag" eh problem sa ibang tao, in fact, minsan gusto pa nga nila yon.




ok so which will you prefer? which for you is better?
if you were given the option what will you choose?
and what features made you choose the latter?

 :-)

glad to hear from you

Offline jeva

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Re: pearl Demon Drive vs DW 9000
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2009, 06:45:03 PM »
considering design/feature alone, since its difficult to justify whether which one will last longer, Peal demon drive. Im sure mas mahaba nilang nireseach, tinest ung changeability nya, its not its to be convertible and still function smoothly. From that point of you pa lang, e matinding engineering process na.

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Re: pearl Demon Drive vs DW 9000
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2009, 10:04:10 PM »
ok so which will you prefer? which for you is better?
if you were given the option what will you choose?
and what features made you choose the latter?

 :-)

glad to hear from you

I've played/toyed with the demon drive and the dw9k, kung papipiliin ako, honestly, wala sa dalawa. Kasi I base my decision not on features alone -- kasama ung price, needs and other factors.

Not considering price and my needs, kung pipili ako ng chain drive, most likely dw9k. (Though yung dw5k pasok na sa needs/wants ko). Kung pipili ako ng direct drive, most likely yung trick pro1v or yamaha direct drive. Konti na lang ang difference nung trick pedal dun sa pearl demon and looking at the design, mas gusto ko ung pagkaka-"engineer" nung trick. Pero for practical purposes, the yamaha direct drive gives me what I want/need at a price that is almost way below a demon drive or a trick pedal would. Though I don't mind having a trick and a demon drive, just won't spend for a brand new one.

(Kasi ang ilan sa considerations ko eh -- less parts to break, simplicity, reliability/durability and functionality and "cost efficient")

Don't get me wrong, they're all nice pedals as long as they work  but since you're asking what "I" will choose, they're not what "I" need or not what I am willing to spend on right now.

PS
pero mukang mas mura ung pearl demon drive sa pinas -- hindi katumbas nung price sa US kapag kinonvert. So that might make a big difference to a lot of folks.


« Last Edit: August 06, 2009, 05:09:27 AM by phfreq »


Offline sandythedrummer

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Re: pearl Demon Drive vs DW 9000
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2009, 02:56:57 PM »
Playbility ; NO COMMENT yet. haven't tried them in gig setting

Design ; Demon Drive is an Eye Candy

Features ; Demon Drive

Value: Baka DD ren. Pareho silang mahal pero atleast pag nakita mo yung DD eh you'll say "ah kaya pala". Pag DW9K, "DW eh kaya mahal".
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Re: pearl Demon Drive vs DW 9000
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2009, 03:29:55 AM »
Pearl rules! Haha.. Kakadala na DW peds, dami issues sa net.
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Offline busog

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Re: pearl Demon Drive vs DW 9000
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2009, 04:19:51 AM »
Pogi naman silang pareho eh.

pero....

I'll go for pearl DD.  :-D
Let me know what you think...

Offline busog

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Re: pearl Demon Drive vs DW 9000
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2009, 04:20:58 AM »
sa pero kung sa looks pala sa DW ako. parang mas maangas tingnan eh. sa tingin ko lang. hehe
« Last Edit: August 07, 2009, 04:22:49 AM by busog »
Let me know what you think...

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Re: pearl Demon Drive vs DW 9000
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2009, 09:36:03 PM »
magkaiba ata sila, mas bagay ata ang eliminator, iron cobra at dw 9000...tapos demon drive, axis at trick....parang ganun ata...kasi same sila 3 longboards, while yung 3 na nauna eh mga "hybrid pedal na hindi longboard po". :-)

Offline migs_23

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Re: pearl Demon Drive vs DW 9000
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2009, 09:31:07 AM »
I've played/toyed with the demon drive and the dw9k, kung papipiliin ako, honestly, wala sa dalawa. Kasi I base my decision not on features alone -- kasama ung price, needs and other factors.

Not considering price and my needs, kung pipili ako ng chain drive, most likely dw9k. (Though yung dw5k pasok na sa needs/wants ko). Kung pipili ako ng direct drive, most likely yung trick pro1v or yamaha direct drive. Konti na lang ang difference nung trick pedal dun sa pearl demon and looking at the design, mas gusto ko ung pagkaka-"engineer" nung trick. Pero for practical purposes, the yamaha direct drive gives me what I want/need at a price that is almost way below a demon drive or a trick pedal would. Though I don't mind having a trick and a demon drive, just won't spend for a brand new one.

(Kasi ang ilan sa considerations ko eh -- less parts to break, simplicity, reliability/durability and functionality and "cost efficient")

Don't get me wrong, they're all nice pedals as long as they work  but since you're asking what "I" will choose, they're not what "I" need or not what I am willing to spend on right now.

PS
pero mukang mas mura ung pearl demon drive sa pinas -- hindi katumbas nung price sa US kapag kinonvert. So that might make a big difference to a lot of folks.




Hail dw5000!!! ahaha! il go for DW9000. for me:Quality goes with Price.
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Offline paeng16

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Re: pearl Demon Drive vs DW 9000
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2009, 09:55:48 AM »
+1 ako sa post ni Kibohead (a.k.a. JACK).. It's not APPLE to APPLE comparison.

I've tried DW5000 and 9000, men SMOOTH na SMOOTH... and the SCIENCE behind it and the quality speaks the price...

For Sale:
Zildjian Avedis MedThin 16" Crash = 5K
Zildjian ZHT 10" Splash = 2K BNew Gibraltar single pedal and Straight stand = 2K each  PM Me ty..

Offline Gep

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Re: pearl Demon Drive vs DW 9000
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2009, 10:40:10 AM »
+1 ako sa post ni Kibohead (a.k.a. JACK).. It's not APPLE to APPLE comparison.

I've tried DW5000 and 9000, men SMOOTH na SMOOTH... and the SCIENCE behind it and the quality speaks the price...

Ika nga sa racing, parang Formula 1 entry vs Formula 3 entry ang ipinaglaban.

For the chain-drive pedals, it's supposed to be Tama Iron Cobra vs Pearl Eliminator vs DW9000. For me, this results to a three-way tie. I've tried and loved them all.

On the other hand, the competition for direct drive pedals should be Axis Longboards vs Trick Pro 1-V vs Pearl Demon Drive. Feature-wise, the Trick Pro 1-V is the runaway winner for this one. However, si Macoy pa lang ng SIN yata ang kilala kong local drummer na nakasubok ng lahat ng ito, so wala akong basehan para dito.

In the end, it still depends on the drummer who uses these pedals. May kilala nga ako, naka-Lazer na double pedal, pero taob pa ang karamihan na local drummers.
« Last Edit: August 10, 2009, 10:47:13 AM by Gep »

Offline mr. trigger

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Re: pearl Demon Drive vs DW 9000
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2009, 05:59:59 PM »
pareho mahal at gwapo peru DW ako  :wink:

Offline matt04

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Re: pearl Demon Drive vs DW 9000
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2009, 07:10:07 PM »
Mas mura Demon kesa DW9k. Hmmm mahirap yan cguro demon ako. Axis kc gusto ko eh. pero naka DW5k nako, at hindi ako binibigo ng aking 5000 hehe smooth saillin.

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Re: Pearl Demon Drive vs DW 9000
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2009, 01:25:20 PM »
Ang outstanding advantage ng Demon Drive sa DW9000 ay..
1) Convertable to long board. :evil:
2) adjustable yung beater (can get closer to the kick) :evil:
3) Direct drive (hindi sya chain nor belt) :evil:
4) Mura sa DW9000 :evil:

I haven't tried the Z-Link Shaft (ito yung komokonecta sa left kick to the right kick. :evil:

Given the 4... Demon Drive na ako...

Ang lamang naman ng AXIS eh mas mahaba ang board nya compared sa Demon Drive.. Though from the above list, 1,2 & 4 eh panalo Demon Drive.

Mas ok sana kung may head to head battle ang mga ito noh!!  :-D :lol:
« Last Edit: October 06, 2009, 01:26:26 PM by paeng16 »
For Sale:
Zildjian Avedis MedThin 16" Crash = 5K
Zildjian ZHT 10" Splash = 2K BNew Gibraltar single pedal and Straight stand = 2K each  PM Me ty..