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Offline pizza_girlalush

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suggest naman po kyo yung maganda na overhead condenser for drum recording(cymbals).. since newbie pa lang ako.. yung medyo budget-wise sana but does the job fine...

maraming salamat po :-)

Offline niggah

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Re: pls. suggest a good overhead condenser mics for drum recording..
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2009, 05:18:29 PM »
Samson co2
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Offline BAMF

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Re: pls. suggest a good overhead condenser mics for drum recording..
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2009, 08:39:38 PM »
Nady CM58 crispy-licious.

Pwede din 2X Behringer C1 okay din yun. Or 2XSamson C01 or C15 oks na din yun.

Kung tipid ka talaga...teka medyo mahal din...yung condenser mikes sa Lyric...they're the same as the Boston Drum kit mikes kaya lang I think they sell them for 1.4k each. Pag ganun...mag-ipun ka na lang ng konti tapos bweluhan mo na lang yung Samson C02, Behringer C02 or Nady CM58 or...yung mga yun. LDC ngapala yung mga ibang sinabi ko ha, pwede naman yun.

Or kung talagang tipid ka, just get Ballantine mikes from Raon. My dearly departed brother (pro audio engineer) swears by those. Or used to when he was still with us anyway.
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Offline forerunnermusic

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Re: pls. suggest a good overhead condenser mics for drum recording..
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2009, 09:05:16 AM »
Do look at the Audio Technica AT2020, its a good all around Vocal & Instrument mic at P5,995 retail, ask your dealer for your net discounted price.

there are a lot of user reviews on the net about the AT2020, you can google it.   Here is one of them.




Field Test: Audio-Technica AT2020 Condenser Microphone

May 1, 2005 12:00 PM, By Nick Batzdorf

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The AT2020 is Audio-Technica's entry-level, side-address studio condenser mic. It brings the company's build quality and consistency into the same street price range as many of the Shanghai-made Neumann U87 look-alikes.

This is a no-frills mic , it has a single pickup pattern — cardioid — and therefore needs only one diaphragm. That diaphragm has a fixed charge and is 16 mm, about halfway between most small- and large-diaphragm models.

Audio-Technica lists the 2020's frequency response at 20 to 20k Hz. Between those points, it has a slight high-end rise (about 3 dB) between 5 and 20 kHz. At about 200 Hz, it starts a gentle dip that gets to about 5 dB down at 80 Hz. With a slightly bright but neutral sound and a 144dB specified input handling capability, the 2020 is more of an all-purpose mic than a specialist model with an opinion about what it's picking up.

SOLID BUILD
The AT2020 ships in a foam-fitted cardboard box, but it also comes with a vinyl pouch for storage. In place of a shock-mount, it has a pivoting stand clip and includes the two standard thread sizes. The clip is nicely made and holds the mic securely in position; however, I found that the mic sounded smoother in a standard shock-mount. It's hard to say whether that's due to the way AT2020 couples with the mic stands I used, which are not particularly fancy.

Regardless, this mic doesn't suffer from the body resonances that a lot of budget mics have when you tap them; in fact, it appears to be built every bit as well as the more expensive ($895 list) AT4050 in my arsenal. After discovering that the shock-mount helped, I mounted the 2020 in the AT4050's shock-mount (AT8441) for this review.

GREAT ON GUITAR

The first test was to try the AT2020 on the acoustic guitar part for a library cue I was working on. I also put up the AT4050 and an MXL V57M for comparison, running them through a Millennia Media STT-1's mic preamp section in its uncolored solid-state (as opposed to tube) setting.

During my tests, the average mic position was about 14 inches away from the location where the sound hole meets the neck. Rather than being clinical and putting the mics in the same exact position, I moved each one to where it sounded best. At least in a spot-miking situation, I consider this the only valuable way to audition mics because that's how mics are actually used.

Both Audio-Technica mics had a similar high-end boost and featured the pick noise that the test part needed, whereas the MXL V57M mic had less. While the Audio-Technica mics have a similar overall sound, the higher-end 4050 sounded rounder and had less of a dry, constrained sound. To remedy the lack of low-end roundness, I moved the 2020 closer to the instrument for some proximity boost, making it sound more similar to the 4050. With its more rolled-off low end and drier sound, the AT2020's unequalized sound was actually the most appropriate of the three for this particular guitar part. The AT2020 is a credible choice for strummed, percussive acoustic guitar parts.

CHECKING OTHER SOURCES
Next, I tried the three mics on recorder, solo cello, shaker and tambourine. Both the 2020 and 4050 sounded slightly bright — yet reasonably faithful — to the sound of the actual cello, while the V57M emphasized the cello's resonance too much.

The 2020 would not be my first choice for shaker, which wants a more exaggerated low and/or high end. However, it worked fine on tambourine (an indicator of solid transient response) and especially on recorder, producing a brighter rendition of the original sound.

In general, I would recommend using the AT2020 very close to the source. Its proximity effect is fairly controlled, but I also found that room tone tends to spotlight its less-pleasant characteristics rather than its strengths. Normally, one would make this suggestion for a noisy mic, but that's not the issue here. The 2020 is intended for personal and project studio applications in which you'd normally want to mike close to the source to disguise the untreated recording rooms.


WORTHY CONTENDER

With the AT2020, Audio-Technica has succeeded in bringing its standard of construction quality into the entry-level price range. While it didn't excel in every situation, it displayed admirable qualities when used up close to maximize the direct-to-reflective balance, emphasizing its stronger qualities. It also worked very well on strummed acoustic guitar.

Some inexpensive mics are character mics, designed to add an interesting color to the sound. With them, you tend to focus on that color rather than the sound quality. The problem is that they don't work well on everything. Conversely, the AT2020 is designed to be pleasingly bright, yet accurate-sounding; to my ears, the trade-off to its greater versatility is that this design makes the shortcomings inherent to its price range more apparent. Nevertheless, it would make a credible choice for anyone looking for an affordable, all-purpose mic to start or build up their collection.
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Re: pls. suggest a good overhead condenser mics for drum recording..
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2009, 09:10:24 AM »
Nady CM58 crispy-licious.

Pwede din 2X Behringer C1 okay din yun. Or 2XSamson C01 or C15 oks na din yun.

Kung tipid ka talaga...teka medyo mahal din...yung condenser mikes sa Lyric...they're the same as the Boston Drum kit mikes kaya lang I think they sell them for 1.4k each. Pag ganun...mag-ipun ka na lang ng konti tapos bweluhan mo na lang yung Samson C02, Behringer C02 or Nady CM58 or...yung mga yun. LDC ngapala yung mga ibang sinabi ko ha, pwede naman yun.

Or kung talagang tipid ka, just get Ballantine mikes from Raon. My dearly departed brother (pro audio engineer) swears by those. Or used to when he was still with us anyway.

salamat sa suggestion sir bamf, medyo consider ko na yung samson co2, since samson din ang gamit for toms,kick and snare.

i'm also considering nady overheads, it seems it's one of your top choice.,, by the way, is it nady cm88? not cm58? cm88 lang kasi nakita ko(net research)
saan meron nito sir? and how much kaya ang pair nito?

maraming salamat ulit! :-)


Offline skunkyfunk

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Re: pls. suggest a good overhead condenser mics for drum recording..
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2009, 09:27:25 AM »
Oktava MK012

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Re: pls. suggest a good overhead condenser mics for drum recording..
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2009, 10:57:21 AM »
Baka nga nadokleng lang ako...basta may cm saka may 8 hahaha.

When I was shopping for a drum mike kit, I had the chance to audition the Nady kit alongside my boston kit. Let's not talk about the dynamic mikes coz I intended to upgrade those anyway, but the condensers...they were light years apart. And of course, you cannot (usually) upgrade condenser mike elements unless you intend to do some serious ripping of your mike, so you're stuck with what you get. Because of budget, I ended up buying the Boston engineering kit.

The CM88 had crisp definition on snare and cymbals and the Boston condensers were mediocre at best next to it.

I've also heard Samson C02's. They're "okay" but the last time I've had experience with them, I can't remember being as impressed. Siguro because with the Nady, I had something to contrast it with.

salamat sa suggestion sir bamf, medyo consider ko na yung samson co2, since samson din ang gamit for toms,kick and snare.

i'm also considering nady overheads, it seems it's one of your top choice.,, by the way, is it nady cm88? not cm58? cm88 lang kasi nakita ko(net research)
saan meron nito sir? and how much kaya ang pair nito?

maraming salamat ulit! :-)
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Re: pls. suggest a good overhead condenser mics for drum recording..
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2009, 07:36:01 PM »
maraming salamat sa lahat ng nag suggest :-)

i ended up buying a pair of nady cm88's.. pumasok sa budget, since discounted price sila. :-D nagbase ako sa review ni sir BamF :-) slmat sir :-)

share ko na lang newbie observations ko 'bout these overheads by weekend.


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Re: pls. suggest a good overhead condenser mics for drum recording..
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2009, 04:40:50 PM »
para sa akin Shure SM81...panalo.. ke hi hat , crash o ride pa yan..  8-)
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Re: pls. suggest a good overhead condenser mics for drum recording..
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2009, 08:44:26 PM »
Shure SM81 (for tight OH) & Rode NT1A (for a  more open sound) :-)
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Re: pls. suggest a good overhead condenser mics for drum recording..
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2009, 05:22:23 AM »
pg81 puede rin yata