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Offline joesat

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types speakers
« on: September 22, 2009, 03:07:34 AM »
curious lang ako doon sa mga speakers na nabibili para sa ating mga soundboxes like konzert, crown to name the few....are they the same as to those speakers that can be found on our guitar amplifiers technically?meron bang different type of speakers and their respective use?
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Re: types speakers
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2009, 08:38:28 AM »
all i can say iba yun kase ang for guitar must be amplified for guitar and yung mga konzert na ganun eh connected sa mixer dapat hehehe Tama ba hehehe
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Re: types speakers
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2009, 12:56:00 PM »
hmm.. nabasa ko dati, ganito daw story niyan..
dati daw may mga speaker na.. pero people wanted a more specific type.. so yung mga guitar speakers, basically stripped downe versions na sila nung mga general purpose speakers..
kasi merong mga something bout those speakers na ayaw ng musicians, kinuha lang nila yung gusto nila.. ayun.. kaya kung mapapansin natin, pag electric guitar ang nakasaksak sa amp, maganda tunog.. pero pag microphone sinaksak mo sa amp, minsan di maganda.. kasi specific na siya para doon.. likewise, di maganda tunog pag sinakask mo gitara sa karaoke.. boomy at masyadong bassy..

with regards dun sa mga konzert, crown, etc.. parang general purpose sila.. don't know the exact term eh.. sila yung mga tipong nasa PA.. kasi sa PA, malawak dapat range ng frequency niya para mailabas niya ng maayos lahat ng sounds na galing sa mixer.. eh di ba sa mixer, halo-halo na nakasaksak? guitar, mic, bass, drum mic, etc.. kaya nga mixer.. ayun..

you might ask, "kala ko ba specifically designed ang guitar speaker para sa guitar? tapos isasaksak sa mixer tapos ilalabas lang din pala sa PA?.."..
siguro that's where the DI boxes come in play.. kasi before you plug a guitar or amp sa mixer, may DI box.. inaayos niya muna frequencies.. but that's a different story na..

ayun.. hope i got to answer your question..  :-)
« Last Edit: September 22, 2009, 12:57:29 PM by r_chino18 »
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2009, 02:38:35 PM »
klarong klaro po!..maraming salamat bro r_chino...naliwanagan ako...kaya ko lang naman kasi natanong gawa ng minsan  e tulad nga ng sabi mo e sinasaksak namin ung guitar,mic,at bass sa mixer going to amplifier(not the guitar amps) to soundboxes equipped with yon nga konzert speakers and i come to think na di kaya masira ung mga speakers na yon sa kadalasan? ngayon lang ksi kmi nagka individual amps sa practice so noon ganon ang set up namin...ang di ko lang alam kung ano ung DI box which comes before the mixer, di na ako gumamit nun?kung ok lang, may tanong pa ako about availability nitong speakers for guitar amps talaga...nagkadeperensya ung blue marvel speaker ng maliit na amp ko e, gusto ko hanapan ng replacement...thanks sa info...
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2009, 02:59:47 PM »
To make a long story short, instrument speakers are made to optimize the frequency and dynamic response of guitar amps, and OTOH, big PA speakers, in general, are made to work as bass drivers (subwoofers).
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2009, 03:24:53 PM »
Quote from: skunkyfunk on September 22, 2009, 02:59:47 PM
To make a long story short, instrument speakers are made to optimize the frequency and dynamic response of guitar amps, and OTOH, big PA speakers, in general, are made to work as bass drivers (subwoofers).

e yong mga speakers po ng bass amps, maconsider ba yon na general speakers gawa ng halos pareho lang sila ng tunog o iba parin?ano po yong OTOH?salamat
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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2009, 04:22:15 PM »
Different type of speaker kasi depende kung anong frequency sya nakadesign to reproduce without degrading the sound. Tweeter speaker=for high frequency approx 100kHz, Midrange=vocals, mid frequency,
Woofer= approx 300Hz pababa, Subwoofer=to extend the woofer down to 30Hz.
Iba pa din yung PA speaker and instrumental speaker which is design to reproduce musical instrument.

PA and instrumental speaker pwede gamitin as hifi pero syempre hindi na hifi. Wa mo lang subukan hifi speaker gamitin as PA or instrumental. Sigurado sira yung hifi speaker. I learn it the hardway.hehe!!!
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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2009, 03:15:27 AM »
Quote from: ikem on September 22, 2009, 04:22:15 PM
Different type of speaker kasi depende kung anong frequency sya nakadesign to reproduce without degrading the sound. Tweeter speaker=for high frequency approx 100kHz, Midrange=vocals, mid frequency,
Woofer= approx 300Hz pababa, Subwoofer=to extend the woofer down to 30Hz.
Iba pa din yung PA speaker and instrumental speaker which is design to reproduce musical instrument.

PA and instrumental speaker pwede gamitin as hifi pero syempre hindi na hifi. Wa mo lang subukan hifi speaker gamitin as PA or instrumental. Sigurado sira yung hifi speaker. I learn it the hardway.hehe!!!

anong ibig sabihin ng last line na..."PA and instrumental speaker pwede gamitin as hifi pero syempre hindi na hifi. Wa mo lang subukan hifi speaker gamitin as PA or instrumental. Sigurado sira yung hifi speaker"...pasensya na bro medyo zero balance tayo terminologies e...heheh...thanks sa reply...
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Re: types speakers
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2009, 06:46:49 AM »
Quote from: joesat on September 22, 2009, 03:24:53 PM
e yong mga speakers po ng bass amps, maconsider ba yon na general speakers gawa ng halos pareho lang sila ng tunog o iba parin?ano po yong OTOH?salamat

yep.. close to being general speakers since malawak na frequencies kaya nila..at least for the bottom end.. isama mo narin dun mga monitors at keyboard amps.. kaya diba minsan, bass amp gamit sa mga keyboard.. if not, yung keyboard amp ay ginagamit both for keyboard and acoustic guitars.. hindi kasi sila katulad ng guitar speaker na masyadong defined ang higher frequencies.. sila more on the lower frequencies.. i think, correct me if i'm wrong, yung mga PA or general speakers ay more on the lower frequencies din ang mas defined.. although kaya din nila mga matataas na frequencies..

OTOH = on the other hand  :-)


bout yung marvel speaker mo pala.. you can replace that with another speaker.. pero siguro stick with putting a guitar speaker, wag na yung mga konzert or crown.. baka hindi ka lang matuwa sa result.. ang tinitingnan lang pag nagpapalit ng speaker or when building an extension cab ay yung Ohms.. depende kasi kung ilang ohms lang kaya nung "head" nung amp mo.. normally 8ohms.. ayun.. yung wattage naman ng speaker, para sa headroom.. more wattage=more headroom= mas malinis at clear at high volumes kahit distorted..

yung DI boxes.. ganito yan.. iba kasi frequency range ng guitar at amp.. ang ginagawa ng DI box, inaayos lang niya.. para maganda dating sa mixer at PA.. pero may ibang hindi na gumagamit nun.. may iba, kung may line out yung amp, yun yung sinasaksak direct sa mixer..
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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2009, 07:25:42 AM »
I've been a 1x12" Konzert speaker for about 3 years already. It didn't pay me off. Lack of presence, warmness and higher frequencies is the common disadvantage of using one. To add, running my pedals through it was like playing dead that I thought my dirt pedals were nearly the same. After long time of funding, I gave myself a shot of VOX amp. It kicks ass! :evil:
« Last Edit: September 23, 2009, 11:11:35 AM by cacophony »
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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2009, 08:23:20 AM »
Quote from: r_chino18 on September 23, 2009, 06:46:49 AM
OTOH = on the other hand  :-)

OTOH: tatandaan ko yan!!haha...akala ko technical stuff pa e...salamat sa info sir ha....so any known brands of guitar speakers that's available locally, to replace may marvel sir?

@cacophony: tama ka sir, noong nagpapraktis kmi gamit yong ganung set up e mejo bingi nga yong tunog...kaya ngayon naghahanap ako ng bagong amp...just want to restore first my peavey ksi sayang naman...
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Re: types speakers
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2009, 10:07:16 AM »
Quote from: joesat on September 23, 2009, 08:23:20 AM
OTOH: tatandaan ko yan!!haha...akala ko technical stuff pa e...salamat sa info sir ha....so any known brands of guitar speakers that's available locally, to replace may marvel sir?

@cacophony: tama ka sir, noong nagpapraktis kmi gamit yong ganung set up e mejo bingi nga yong tunog...kaya ngayon naghahanap ako ng bagong amp...just want to restore first my peavey ksi sayang naman...

ano bang diameter nung Marvel mo?.. try mo tumawag sa Audiophile.. nagccarry sila ng Peavey Marvel speakers at Jensen speakers.. around 4-5k ang isa, that's 12".. don't know kung may mas maliit.. there are Celestions pero medyo mahal.. still, better speakers than the Marvels.. hehe..
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2009, 11:13:41 AM »
Quote from: joesat on September 23, 2009, 08:23:20 AM

@cacophony: tama ka sir, noong nagpapraktis kmi gamit yong ganung set up e mejo bingi nga yong tunog...kaya ngayon naghahanap ako ng bagong amp...just want to restore first my peavey ksi sayang naman...

Yup. Konzert speakers are not specifically made for guitar amplification.

Quote from: r_chino18 on September 23, 2009, 10:07:16 AM
ano bang diameter nung Marvel mo?.. try mo tumawag sa Audiophile.. nagccarry sila ng Peavey Marvel speakers at Jensen speakers.. around 4-5k ang isa, that's 12".. don't know kung may mas maliit.. there are Celestions pero medyo mahal.. still, better speakers than the Marvels.. hehe..

Jensen speakers??! Audiophile??! Hmmmm... :-o
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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2009, 11:26:51 AM »
Quote from: cacophony on September 23, 2009, 11:13:41 AM
Jensen speakers??! Audiophile??! Hmmmm... :-o

waah!!!  :-o
sorry my bad.. not Jensen.. Sheffield speakers pala.. i'm sorry.. i saw sa catalog nila dati.. mistaken it for Jensens.. sorry..
Marvel at Sheffield ang kine-carry ng AP.. :)
although hindi ko pa talaga nakikita sa stock nila.. sa site catalog ko lang nadaanan dati..

@cacophony: thanks for pointing that out.. nacorrect ko pa bago may ibang magreact..  :-)
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2009, 11:28:57 AM »
Quote from: r_chino18 on September 23, 2009, 11:26:51 AM
waah!!!  :-o
sorry my bad.. not Jensen.. Sheffield speakers pala.. i'm sorry.. i saw sa catalog nila dati.. mistaken it for Jensens.. sorry..
Marvel at Sheffield ang kine-carry ng AP.. :)
although hindi ko pa talaga nakikita sa stock nila.. sa site catalog ko lang nadaanan dati..

@cacophony: thanks for pointing that out.. nacorrect ko pa bago may ibang magreact..  :-)

Hehehehe. I thought so. :lol:
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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2009, 01:00:19 PM »
Another way of looking at it is that PA speakers have a flat response (or at least aim to) across a wide frequency frequency range.  Mas concern nila ang tone "reproduction,"  meaning wala dapat silang idagdag or ibawas (ideally) sa original sound.


Yung guitar speakers may iba-ibang response.  For example middle emphasis for meaty overdrive or on highs for sparkly cleans.  Mas concern nila ang tone "production," meaning part sila ng overall sound.
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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2009, 01:04:17 PM »
Quote from: r_chino18 on September 23, 2009, 11:26:51 AM

Marvel at Sheffield ang kine-carry ng AP.. :)
although hindi ko pa talaga nakikita sa stock nila.. sa site catalog ko lang nadaanan dati..
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maraming salamat sir...meron pala sa audiophile...maliit lang yong speaker ko pero try ko nalang rin...malaking tulong yong info nyo sir...
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« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2009, 01:07:52 PM »
Quote from: r_chino18 on September 23, 2009, 11:26:51 AM

Marvel at Sheffield ang kine-carry ng AP.. :)
although hindi ko pa talaga nakikita sa stock nila..

maraming salamat sir...meron pala sa audiophile...maliit lang yong speaker ko pero try ko nalang rin...malaking tulong yong info nyo sir...
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« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2009, 01:09:39 PM »
Quote from: greasykid on September 23, 2009, 01:00:19 PM
Another way of looking at it is that PA speakers have a flat response (or at least aim to) across a wide frequency frequency range.  Mas concern nila ang tone "reproduction,"  meaning wala dapat silang idagdag or ibawas (ideally) sa original sound.


Yung guitar speakers may iba-ibang response.  For example middle emphasis for meaty overdrive or on highs for sparkly cleans.  Mas concern nila ang tone "production," meaning part sila ng overall sound.

salamat sa additional info bro
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