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Re: Does poverty excuse us from not having decent equipment and bad tone?
« Reply #175 on: March 13, 2012, 11:57:37 AM »
question. Does bars during the 'wolfgang/razorback era' have 'better' equipment than bars today?

di rin siguro dahil palagi daw may bitbit na classic 30 si tirso, yung si manuel naman ng wolfgang according to him personally, palagi daw nya bitbit yung crate na solidstate 60 watt amp niya na binili ko sa kanya. d naman sila siguro mag bibit ng mga amp kung ok na yung mga nasa venue lalo na yang crate 60 watt amp ni manuel, it was horrible hehe sold it to dee dee
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Re: Does poverty excuse us from not having decent equipment and bad tone?
« Reply #176 on: March 13, 2012, 12:13:00 PM »
thread of the year - 2012, anyone?  :-D

I know. That's why I'm going to refrain from replying from that long post that precedes yours. But to be fair, this thread was originally about economics. You're the ones who were actually veering off topic, hahaha....

you mean the post that suspiciously looks like it was copy-pasted from somewhere?  :lol:

on topic - from my experience, our SEA neighbors hold Filipino musicians in high regard. they really look up to us in terms of making music. so maybe, just maybe pag foreign acts like Filipinos ang pumupunta dun, they bring out their goodies. pag sa local musicians, baka hindi. i'm just saying that MAYBE, that's the image they want to give to visiting foreign musicians. another possibility is the bar scene there. baka mas malaki ang kita because of the patronizers. i can always be wrong tho.

in fairness to our country, there are still bars around that offer very good band equipment. yun lang, the vast majority don't.
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Re: Does poverty excuse us from not having decent equipment and bad tone?
« Reply #177 on: March 13, 2012, 02:02:08 PM »
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Re: Does poverty excuse us from not having decent equipment and bad tone?
« Reply #178 on: March 13, 2012, 02:05:46 PM »
For me, if there's a will there's always a right way of achieving anything...  :-D
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Re: Does poverty excuse us from not having decent equipment and bad tone?
« Reply #179 on: March 13, 2012, 02:38:40 PM »
thread of the year - 2012, anyone?  :-D

you mean the post that suspiciously looks like it was copy-pasted from somewhere?  :lol:

on topic - from my experience, our SEA neighbors hold Filipino musicians in high regard. they really look up to us in terms of making music. so maybe, just maybe pag foreign acts like Filipinos ang pumupunta dun, they bring out their goodies. pag sa local musicians, baka hindi. i'm just saying that MAYBE, that's the image they want to give to visiting foreign musicians. another possibility is the bar scene there. baka mas malaki ang kita because of the patronizers. i can always be wrong tho.

in fairness to our country, there are still bars around that offer very good band equipment. yun lang, the vast majority don't.

this is true. its like breaking out the good liquor for visiting folks.
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Re: Does poverty excuse us from not having decent equipment and bad tone?
« Reply #180 on: March 13, 2012, 02:54:11 PM »
May pera man o wala its all about priority..madaming bar ngaun kaya naman nila bumili ng decent equipment pero di paren sila bumibile kasi nga di ganun ka importante sakanila eh di naman sila gumagamet eh hanggat di pa ata sumasabog di pa sila bibile ng bago :wink: bwhahaa!

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Re: Does poverty excuse us from not having decent equipment and bad tone?
« Reply #181 on: March 13, 2012, 03:18:20 PM »
Sa akin lang ah. Spoiled na nga ang Pinoy na musikero sa mga bar e. Tingnan mo maski cymbals bar pa ang magbibigay sa iyo. Kahit guitar cable mo. Samantalang mga kilala ko na gigging musicians sa US, Japan, HK at Germany kanya kanya sila ng dala maski PA system. Hirap na hirap sila sa pag renta ng transpo para ma haul equipment nila. Samantalang tayo rereklamo sa mabibigay ng bar sa atin? Di naman nila tayo problema e. Problema ng bar kita nila sa pagkain at overheads nila. Kaya ok talaga pag ayaw mo gamit sa tugtugan mo, magbaon ka nalang talaga nung sa iyo.

Pero yung nabibigay na local backline naman from foreign touring artists, yun yung medyo kulang tayo talaga. Kulang na sa choic ng amps, PA system at providers, kulang din sa professional tech skills and services. 

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Re: Does poverty excuse us from not having decent equipment and bad tone?
« Reply #182 on: March 13, 2012, 05:00:35 PM »
thread of the year - 2012, anyone?  :-D

you mean the post that suspiciously looks like it was copy-pasted from somewhere?  :lol:

on topic - from my experience, our SEA neighbors hold Filipino musicians in high regard. they really look up to us in terms of making music. so maybe, just maybe pag foreign acts like Filipinos ang pumupunta dun, they bring out their goodies. pag sa local musicians, baka hindi. i'm just saying that MAYBE, that's the image they want to give to visiting foreign musicians. another possibility is the bar scene there. baka mas malaki ang kita because of the patronizers. i can always be wrong tho.

in fairness to our country, there are still bars around that offer very good band equipment. yun lang, the vast majority don't.

i agree. Did you guys know that Pinoy Orchestra used to serenade Chinese dignitaries in the Mainland long time ago? ngayon everytime we meet new chinese friends they always ask us if we were pro musicians.

Sa akin lang ah. Spoiled na nga ang Pinoy na musikero sa mga bar e. Tingnan mo maski cymbals bar pa ang magbibigay sa iyo. Kahit guitar cable mo. Samantalang mga kilala ko na gigging musicians sa US, Japan, HK at Germany kanya kanya sila ng dala maski PA system. Hirap na hirap sila sa pag renta ng transpo para ma haul equipment nila. Samantalang tayo rereklamo sa mabibigay ng bar sa atin? Di naman nila tayo problema e. Problema ng bar kita nila sa pagkain at overheads nila. Kaya ok talaga pag ayaw mo gamit sa tugtugan mo, magbaon ka nalang talaga nung sa iyo.

Pero yung nabibigay na local backline naman from foreign touring artists, yun yung medyo kulang tayo talaga. Kulang na sa choic ng amps, PA system at providers, kulang din sa professional tech skills and services. 

another reason could be sanay na sila sa personal na gamit nila. yun kaibigan ko australian, 3x a week gig lagi dala yun elmwood modena  and 4x12 cab. Sabi nya, he knows his sound very well and it saves him time tweaking and complaining. Hindi daw sya bumili ng mamahaling amp para gawin closet queen at hindi sya nagpapahiram :lol:
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Re: Does poverty excuse us from not having decent equipment and bad tone?
« Reply #183 on: March 13, 2012, 06:01:28 PM »
I know. That's why I'm going to refrain from replying from that long post that precedes yours. But to be fair, this thread was originally about economics. You're the ones who were actually veering off topic, hahaha....

so you noticed that too..  8-)
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Re: Does poverty excuse us from not having decent equipment and bad tone?
« Reply #184 on: March 13, 2012, 08:15:32 PM »
Ilang bar ba ang tinugtugan nila dun na naka JCM 900 at naging ok na yun to sum up the whole situation of 2 countries?

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Re: Does poverty excuse us from not having decent equipment and bad tone?
« Reply #185 on: March 14, 2012, 12:31:28 AM »
karamihan kasi sa mga bands ngayon na tumutugtog sa mga bars(lalo na yung mga di naman kalakihang bars) eh kulang sa information about musical stuff, wala naman na sila pakialam eh, basta ba kaya nila tumugtog ng common playlist na tinutugtog ng mga showband sa ibat-ibang bars gabi-gabi, okay na..

yung instruments eh least na concern sa mga bars nowadays, basta kelangan kaya mo tumugtog ng "price tag" okay na yun! :eek:
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Re: Does poverty excuse us from not having decent equipment and bad tone?
« Reply #186 on: March 14, 2012, 06:12:57 AM »
Hindi daw sya bumili ng mamahaling amp para gawin closet queen at hindi sya nagpapahiram :lol:
wouldn't blame him after hearing about skunkyfunk's stories after lending his gear. torn tolex, chewing up on the cabinet chassis -hell, i'd give the b@stard an earful if he did that to my gear. i don't have closet pieces for my gear except for a few but even i don't do that to my gear.
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Re: Does poverty excuse us from not having decent equipment and bad tone?
« Reply #187 on: April 03, 2012, 03:48:40 AM »
why buy decent equipment when the audience is dancing to bad ones? To provide your customers with good sound. what else? business owners here are all about profit, we don't take pride in providing good service at all. This is what differentiates us from the japanese.
If people complain about the sound quality, then there's bound to be some changes in the audio equipment provided because it would be bad for business. The thing is, the majority of the listeners in the RP are content so why bother?  Kung may bar ka na medyo mediocre ang equipment sa standards of the few pero dinadayo ka parin naman, as the business owner (let's not assume that club owners are necessarily audiophiles), would you ever think of upgrading?  Of course they're all about profit, its called business for a reason but that doesn't mean they don't take pride in their work. The point of view just seems too cynical for me. :-(
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Re: Does poverty excuse us from not having decent equipment and bad tone?
« Reply #188 on: April 03, 2012, 04:09:19 AM »
Probably it's the ratio of the bands compared to Indonesia. I'm sure mas maraming bands dito sa Pinas compared to them. Yung local bars natin are mostly into production. Dito ka nga lang makaka kita ng 15 to 20 bands in 1 night wala pang talent fee. Ang talent fee nila nasa pag benta ng tickets. If I were the bar owner and have 15-20 bands play in one night, investing on a tube amp would be suicide for my wallet. And in any production, the venues price must be reasonable. So ang tanong dito is, sino ba talaga kumikita? Is it the bar owner or the production team?

The setup in Indonesia can be of 2 sources. Either the local bar owns it or the production team that brought in the foreign artist invested on their own equipments. Dito sa atin bar owner the invests on equipment, pero the small scale production team does not invest on any equipment at all.
I have stated that there are more bad sounding suhrs then there are good ones.

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Re: Does poverty excuse us from not having decent equipment and bad tone?
« Reply #189 on: April 03, 2012, 04:17:45 AM »
Also, another type of setup sa local bars natin is the bar owner does not own any of the equipment. He leases the equipment. In that case wala na siyang proproblemahin kung masira ang gamit ass long as the lease is fulfilled.
I have stated that there are more bad sounding suhrs then there are good ones.

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Re: Does poverty excuse us from not having decent equipment and bad tone?
« Reply #190 on: April 03, 2012, 08:37:06 AM »
poverty as an excuse? definitely NO! we just have a lot of excuses.. that's all.

regarding sa mga "pwede na" na gamit sa mga bars/resto.. some just don't really have the passion for music. they only care for the profit. sad.. as for me, great artist doesn't really care what he gets but what he gives to the world through his music.

ako, kahit wala akong that amount of money for a time.. i save a lot para makabili ng gusto kong gamit. and ayoko ng pangit! if it will take me a year to save for that. go lang. di naman titigil ang oras. dadating din ang next year and the next time you know it.. you are already holding that gear you've been wanting! and the joy of that moment is priceless! and the very moment you step on it and play... ahhh... what a glorious moment it is!

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Re: Does poverty excuse us from not having decent equipment and bad tone?
« Reply #191 on: April 07, 2012, 08:04:41 AM »
I think not. Kung wala kang pambili ng magandang klase na brand new equipments, bumili ka ng second hand. Hindi naman yung itsura o edad ng gamit nagkakatalo eh, sa quality ng music yan.
poverty as an excuse? definitely NO! we just have a lot of excuses.. that's all.

regarding sa mga "pwede na" na gamit sa mga bars/resto.. some just don't really have the passion for music. they only care for the profit. sad.. as for me, great artist doesn't really care what he gets but what he gives to the world through his music.

ako, kahit wala akong that amount of money for a time.. i save a lot para makabili ng gusto kong gamit. and ayoko ng pangit! if it will take me a year to save for that. go lang. di naman titigil ang oras. dadating din ang next year and the next time you know it.. you are already holding that gear you've been wanting! and the joy of that moment is priceless! and the very moment you step on it and play... ahhh... what a glorious moment it is!

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Re: Does poverty excuse us from not having decent equipment and bad tone?
« Reply #192 on: April 07, 2012, 08:11:14 AM »
Sa akin lang ah. Spoiled na nga ang Pinoy na musikero sa mga bar e. Tingnan mo maski cymbals bar pa ang magbibigay sa iyo. Kahit guitar cable mo. Samantalang mga kilala ko na gigging musicians sa US, Japan, HK at Germany kanya kanya sila ng dala maski PA system. Hirap na hirap sila sa pag renta ng transpo para ma haul equipment nila. Samantalang tayo rereklamo sa mabibigay ng bar sa atin? Di naman nila tayo problema e. Problema ng bar kita nila sa pagkain at overheads nila. Kaya ok talaga pag ayaw mo gamit sa tugtugan mo, magbaon ka nalang talaga nung sa iyo.

Pero yung nabibigay na local backline naman from foreign touring artists, yun yung medyo kulang tayo talaga. Kulang na sa choic ng amps, PA system at providers, kulang din sa professional tech skills and services. 

Pero sir yung kakilala ko sila yung nagdadala ng gamit. Amplifier, microphones, at stand, lang po yung sagot ng bar nila. Kanya kanya silang dala ng axe at iniiwan po ng drummer yung drum set nya dun sa bar na tinutugtugan nya.

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Re: Does poverty excuse us from not having decent equipment and bad tone?
« Reply #193 on: April 07, 2012, 09:30:51 AM »
depende lang siguro talaga. negosyo ang bar eh. wala naman siguro pakialam ang owners sa tone natin. habol niya is customers. (teka bar owners ba pinaguusapan natin or yung mga musikero? if musikero, agree ako sa iba na make the most of what you have)

pero kung ako ay maliit na bar owner, let's say ang pangalan ng bar ko ay kalayaan bar, di rin ako maglalabas ng pera kasi yung mga tutugtog na banda sa akin usually mga bata. ang iingay. sigawan nang sigawan. tas malalaspag lang ang amps ko dahil 32 silang banda sa isang gabi. tas yung mga tropa pa nilang darating eh hindi naman bumibili kahit platito ng mani at isang beer. malalasing, magrariot, basagan ng bote, etc... bakit ako gagastos? low returns naman.

pero kung ako ay malaking bar owner, let's say, 69 west naman name ng bar ko. tas ang vision ko is maattract ko is paying customers, ang mga sureball na tutugtog sa bar ko eh mga chillax lang na mga showbands na tutugtugin lahat ng isulat ko sa tissue or mga sikat na mainstream bands tipong 5 bands lang a night. sureball ang market ko nun eh paying customers. may mga kotse or nakakapagtaxi. i will invest para maximized ang musical experience ng both musician and audience.

kung gusto mo nang mura at maduming happy happy, madami sa quezon ave. pero kung gusto mo high-end meron tayong mga makikinis na susyalin ang hitsura na half-latin women sa makati. for me, music is like sex. you get whatchupayfor. peace:)

market options lang siguro. nagkataon lang na karamihan sa pinas ay mahirap. kaya mas madaming pangmahirap na options.

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Re: Does poverty excuse us from not having decent equipment and bad tone?
« Reply #194 on: April 07, 2012, 09:58:39 AM »
nasa pana daw kasi yan eh hahahahahahahha :wave: :-D :-D :-D ang dami ngang ganyan sa probinsiya.

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« Reply #195 on: April 07, 2012, 10:12:39 AM »
depende lang siguro talaga. negosyo ang bar eh. wala naman siguro pakialam ang owners sa tone natin. habol niya is customers. (teka bar owners ba pinaguusapan natin or yung mga musikero? if musikero, agree ako sa iba na make the most of what you have)

pero kung ako ay maliit na bar owner, let's say ang pangalan ng bar ko ay kalayaan bar, di rin ako maglalabas ng pera kasi yung mga tutugtog na banda sa akin usually mga bata. ang iingay. sigawan nang sigawan. tas malalaspag lang ang amps ko dahil 32 silang banda sa isang gabi. tas yung mga tropa pa nilang darating eh hindi naman bumibili kahit platito ng mani at isang beer. malalasing, magrariot, basagan ng bote, etc... bakit ako gagastos? low returns naman.

pero kung ako ay malaking bar owner, let's say, 69 west naman name ng bar ko. tas ang vision ko is maattract ko is paying customers, ang mga sureball na tutugtog sa bar ko eh mga chillax lang na mga showbands na tutugtugin lahat ng isulat ko sa tissue or mga sikat na mainstream bands tipong 5 bands lang a night. sureball ang market ko nun eh paying customers. may mga kotse or nakakapagtaxi. i will invest para maximized ang musical experience ng both musician and audience.

kung gusto mo nang mura at maduming happy happy, madami sa quezon ave. pero kung gusto mo high-end meron tayong mga makikinis na susyalin ang hitsura na half-latin women sa makati. for me, music is like sex. you get whatchupayfor. peace:)

market options lang siguro. nagkataon lang na karamihan sa pinas ay mahirap. kaya mas madaming pangmahirap na options.

Nice bar names huh?  :)

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Re: Does poverty excuse us from not having decent equipment and bad tone?
« Reply #196 on: July 19, 2012, 12:24:15 PM »
1. man up and deal with the equipment that there is on the scene
2. if not, bring your own
3. if you can't due to lack of transpo means, money etc. -suck it up and goto to no.1.
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Re: Does poverty excuse us from not having decent equipment and bad tone?
« Reply #198 on: July 10, 2014, 03:18:50 PM »
Willing ka bang ipahiram ang amps mo?

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