live recording, local vs. foreign

[donald]

what can you say about live recording (dvd concerts)

i'm an acoustic fan so i bought this dvd live concert ng local artist.
while watching, napansin ko na there's a percusionist pala.
i can hardly hear yun mga ginagamit nya like metal shaker, triangle and chimes.

Then i tried watching phil collins farewell concert and wow
it's a full band set-up pero dinig na dinig yun mga small instruments like
the small egg shaker and even the triangle. lutang na lutang yun sound nila.

Ano kaya problema ng mga sound engineer or yun mga nag record ng concert's audio?

minsan naman watching live full band set-up concert locally napaka lakas ng snare.
pero pag foreign artist na nag concert dito sa pinas and may kasamang sariling sound
tech/engineer, balance talaga ang sound. hindi sobrang lakas ng snare.

why kaya? pare pareho naman tayong may tenga.

peace

[turiguiliano]

equipment.
hours of dedication in editing - considering its for commercial use.

[abyssinianson]

equipment. technique to use the equipment. time to mix the performance. experience to tell what needs to be done to the media to make it sound accurate. ears to master the resulting project so everything sounds coherent.

these are some of the factors that set great recordings from mediocre or awful ones. in some way shape or form, we are all trying to gain a better understanding of how to get better at our craft of producing better records for ourselves, the people we work with, and the scene that we each affect as music enthusiasts. join in the discussion. this entire subforum addresses the methods and equipment we need to exploit to sound spectacular on disk or vinyl. some people are more experienced than others but everyone has something to bring to the table so it is always a treat to listen what people have to share...

[Blueberri]

in terms of equipment, is it a matter of not having the equipment available here...or that its just not available to the artists/engineers?? So isnt it something thats brought about by whomever is producing/organizing these events, by them not providing the necessary equipment to make a great sounding capture of the live performance??

pansin ko din to, all these great sounding live performance DVDs ng foreign artists...its live sa stage pero parang nasa studio sila kasi sobrang controlled yung tunog.

one thing i noticed, i guess it helps pag malaki yung stage, too keep amps, and other musical instruments as far apart as possible to control bleed. other stuff like in ear monitors maybe also help because it keeps the stage clean of monitor sounds?? less phase/bleed??

[mikep]

Reasons?  1) Equipment, 2) Expertise and knowledge of live recording techniques, 3) post production, and 4) budget.  Most of these DVD releases are recording using recording trucks with so many number of tracks.  After the performance, the tracks are mixed in a recording studio, and if need be, some parts re-recorded and fixed.  Kaya dinig lahat, kasi, all musical elements are picked up by their corresponding mics, like that done in the recording studio.  Final post prod is the mixing of the audio with the synched video, all done in the most professional manner, normally in a pro recording studio or a theater mix room).  Now, unless these things are taken into account here, the quality of our local releases will never equal the foreign released ones.

FWIW

[donald]

thanks for the comments and suggestions mga sir.

sana mapantayan natin yun foreign type of recording.

[kedysanchez]

For your listening pleasure, try to look for that famous live album from your older relatives - MIKE FRANCIS LIVE.

This is an example of a live recording that was done in Manila.  Pero naging two phases ang post production nito.  Filipinos were asked to record the perofrmance on a 24 track analog recorder.  The instructions was to record CLEAN signals.  This means no eq, no effects, but at the same time no oversaturation, no loss of signals etc, kasi di na nila gagawan ng overdubs.

The recorded tracks was sent to Italy for mixing.

Ano ang palagay mo sa final product?

[purplehaze]

Most so called local "sound engineers" are not really sound engineers. Mostly isang genre lang ng music and alam nila. To top it all, most of them are either mayabang and pretend to know more..
Funny thing though is most of the time they cannot hear what's the sound like live because all the time nakasuot sila ng headphone....

This is just my observation

[skunkyfunk]

Most so called local "sound engineers" are not really sound engineers. Mostly isang genre lang ng music and alam nila. To top it all, most of them are either mayabang and pretend to know more..
Funny thing though is most of the time they cannot hear what's the sound like live because all the time nakasuot sila ng headphone....

This is just my observation

Are you talking about the live sound engineers who are also enkargardors of the equipment at the same time?  If you talk to Yordi Cui and Maly Andres you might retract that statement.

However, using the term "Sound engineer" is sacred.  It's just that, someone would call himself a "sound engineer" without any decent background on acoustics, physics of sound, and DSP; he works on his WOW PC which he uses for RF Online games and afterwhich, uses his onboard soundcard to record music (using some pirated version of Reason and a bunch of drum loops).    And he calls his bedroom a "studio".

What genre of music are you talking about na "alam ng most 'sound engineers'"?  POGI ROCK? EMO?   

[jeromish]

Most so called local "sound engineers" are not really sound engineers. Mostly isang genre lang ng music and alam nila. To top it all, most of them are either mayabang and pretend to know more..
Funny thing though is most of the time they cannot hear what's the sound like live because all the time nakasuot sila ng headphone....

This is just my observation

well ako din pero i dont want to take it against them pag di ko gusto yung tunog i just go away and not listen hehehe di ko ren masisi sila dahil most of them are from "mobile" setups for discos etc. hehehe mapapansin mo na yung bass nila sobra palagi sa mid so it comes in the way of the bass guitar and yung mga transients nila sobrang masakit sa tenga. with their attitude naman tama ka most of them are mayabang baybe because if they teach you what they are doing pwede mo sila palitan and on top of that mas braoder yung sense mo when it comes to listening hehe

Sa equipment most of the suppliers has good equipments nasa gumagamit lang talaga usually kasi jan sila nag ba-base kung magaling ba sila or ndi sa equipment sad to say. pero i believe na pag may meduim equipment ka you can sound better pa din nasa "taste" ng nagpapatunog lang talaga yan. di mo kailangan ng mamahaling gamit para mag patunog ng pleasing sa tenga

I like mga timpla ng mga live pag nakakapag usap pa ren kayo ng kasama mo without missing the details ng mga instruments.

i like live recording ni nina pero r&b na R&b ang timpla ng sound engineer. sa foreign wala pa ren tatalo sa recording ng alice in chains na unlugged

obeservation ko lang din