double pedal or high end single pedal (axis / trick)

[phfreq]

kung papipiliin kayo, since ang presyo ng single axis longboard ay halos kasing presyo na ng double pedal ng tama IC and pearl elims, alin ang pipiliin nyo? bakit?

[inigo]

Double ped na IC.

A pedal is only as good as how it's used. Since pro quality na naman ang IC or Elims (na-meet/exceed na ang threshold for decent use), pwede nang masanay doon at maging magaling gamit yun.

Unless size 14 ang paa mo... mag Axis ka na, in this case

[phfreq]

dagdag na din siguro:

ginagamit nyo ba madalas ang slave sa double peds kapag regular grooving or kapag blast 32nd bass notes lang and 16th/32nd note fills lang? kasi kung hindi masyado nagagamit ang slave, mas ok ba na high end single ang bilihin and work more on the technique to incorporate ung 32nd/16th note fills?

[Akira JUMBO]

It's not even a comparison if you ask me. It really depends what is best suited for the music or your preference of playing approach. But choosing between those 2 is like asking "Apple or Banana?"..they are 2 different worlds apart.

The question would be more critical if it was "big banana or small banana"..get what I mean? (single low-end or single hi-end) 

[inigo]

So the problem is single ped vs double ped?

Sabi ni Robert dela Cruz... wag na mag double pedal pag kaya namang gawin ang lick sa isang paa.

I bought an IC double ped to work on double pedaling at home, with the hope na gagaling ako. When I need to bring a single pedal sa gig, I bring the primary ped and leave the slave at home. So, solved na ang (1) my need for a double pedal to practice on (2) my need for a good single ped in gigs, and (3) my need for a good double ped in gigs, if ever I get good at it.

BTW, IC's a high-end pedal series.  And IC doesn't have a direct drive like Trick or Axis, so it's really incomparable (ika nga ni Akira Jumbo). If you need a direct drive pedal, get Trick or Axis. If not, consider IC or Elims.

EDIT: ROBERT DE LA CRUZ, not ROMMEL. Duh.

[peeves24]

keep mo na lang IC mo pre tapos bili ka ng axis na single

problem solved hehehe

para sa bahay lang yung IC pang praktis. tapos kung may gig dalin mo yung axis e di hindi ka rin napapagod magtanggal kabit ng pedal 

PS: i actually did this kaya lang cheap gibraltar single lang binili ko at nakakainis kasi hindi pareho yung feel nila nung double pedal ko. so ayun binenta ko rin yung single at ginawa kong 2 single pedals yung double hehehe

[drumster]

Your decision would depend on what you'll be playing.

If you're into double bass licks and grooves, take the double pedal.  If you think you don't really need a double pedal for your music and playing style, then go for the single pedal.  Simple as that. 

[phfreq]

So the problem is single ped vs double ped?

Sabi ni Rommel dela Cruz... wag na mag double pedal pag kaya namang gawin ang lick sa isang paa.

I bought an IC double ped to work on double pedaling at home, with the hope na gagaling ako. When I need to bring a single pedal sa gig, I bring the primary ped and leave the slave at home. So, solved na ang (1) my need for a double pedal to practice on (2) my need for a good single ped in gigs, and (3) my need for a good double ped in gigs, if ever I get good at it.

BTW, IC's a high-end pedal series.  And IC doesn't have a direct drive like Trick or Axis, so it's really incomparable (ika nga ni Akira Jumbo). If you need a direct drive pedal, get Trick or Axis. If not, consider IC or Elims.

salamat po..

i didn't mean to say that ICs are not high end.. I guess i should have said "direct drive high end single pedals" or something to clearly describe axis/trick.

keep mo na lang IC mo pre tapos bili ka ng axis na single

problem solved hehehe

para sa bahay lang yung IC pang praktis. tapos kung may gig dalin mo yung axis e di hindi ka rin napapagod magtanggal kabit ng pedal 

PS: i actually did this kaya lang cheap gibraltar single lang binili ko at nakakainis kasi hindi pareho yung feel nila nung double pedal ko. so ayun binenta ko rin yung single at ginawa kong 2 single pedals yung double hehehe

he he he... how i wished pwede yung merong tama ic and merong axis...

Double ped na IC.

A pedal is only as good as how it's used. Since pro quality na naman ang IC or Elims (na-meet/exceed na ang threshold for decent use), pwede nang masanay doon at maging magaling gamit yun.

Unless size 14 ang paa mo... mag Axis ka na, in this case

salamat po..

naalala ko po tuloy ung vruk pedals  http://www.vrukpedal.com/

Your decision would depend on what you'll be playing.

If you're into double bass licks and grooves, take the double pedal.  If you think you don't really need a double pedal for your music and playing style, then go for the single pedal.  Simple as that. 

salamat po.

it's all about the music....

mga karagdagang tanong lang po...

* sa mga gumagamit ng double pedals, ginagamit nyo po ba ung slave nyo for regular grooves -- like splitting doubles or triplets and the likes between the master and slave; or do you just do it using the master?

* sa mga gumagamit ng single pedal -- ano po ung mga techniques / tips / tricks na ginagawa nyo to make the sound like a double pedal/double bass -- like using the biggest floor tom for the "slave hits" or working on a special foot technique that enables double pedal/double bass sounds?

naalala ko lang po kasi ung ibang naririnig ko na parang double bass / double pedal ang tunog pero single lang pala ang gamit (some example would be josh eppard of coheed and chad smith).

OT (now i want to listen to the next coheed album where Chris pennie plays.. and would also want to know how he plays old coheed songs -- if he'll use a double or just use single - but any way, it should sound great! )

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[Gep]

Si Taylor Hawkins ang nag-drums sa bagong album ng Coheed and Cambria. Di ko alam kung gagawin niya rin ang style ni Josh Eppard.

Doing grooves on a double pedal a la Carter Beauford? Mas mahirap gawin ang ganung style kumpara sa straight-ahead metal playing, that's for sure. Pero sa tingin ko magagawa rin naman yung ganon sa single.

Honestly, nagagamit ko lang ang double pedal sa mga rolls. Gusto ko rin kasi yung ginagawa ni Sam ng Subscapular. Hehe.

Minsan, single lang talaga dala ko sa gig, pero kadalasan hindi na ako nagdadala, bigat e, kahit isa lang dalhin ko! Slide ang ginagawa ko.

Pakinggan mo yung palo ni Kurt (elevenmirror name niya dito) sa Today Arsenal. Akala mo naka-doublepeds siya. Galing.

* sa mga gumagamit ng double pedals, ginagamit nyo po ba ung slave nyo for regular grooves -- like splitting doubles or triplets and the likes between the master and slave; or do you just do it using the master?

* sa mga gumagamit ng single pedal -- ano po ung mga techniques / tips / tricks na ginagawa nyo to make the sound like a double pedal/double bass -- like using the biggest floor tom for the "slave hits" or working on a special foot technique that enables double pedal/double bass sounds?

naalala ko lang po kasi ung ibang naririnig ko na parang double bass / double pedal ang tunog pero single lang pala ang gamit (some example would be josh eppard of coheed and chad smith).

OT (now i want to listen to the next coheed album where Chris pennie plays.. and would also want to know how he plays old coheed songs -- if he'll use a double or just use single - but any way, it should sound great! )

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[phfreq]

sorry po mod, di na po mauulit

sige gep, pakinggan ko ung mga nirecommend mo.. thanks!

[autoexec]

kung papipiliin kayo, since ang presyo ng single axis longboard ay halos kasing presyo na ng double pedal ng tama IC and pearl elims, alin ang pipiliin nyo? bakit?

Double Pedal IC na ko... Bakit? Hindi ka naman siguro makakaproduce ng 200+bpm 16ths sa single pedal lang kahit na sabihin mo pang axis yan...
Bibili lang ako ng axis pag mayaman na ko. 

[Gep]

Double Pedal IC na ko... Bakit? Hindi ka naman siguro makakaproduce ng 200+bpm 16ths sa single pedal lang kahit na sabihin mo pang axis yan...
Bibili lang ako ng axis pag mayaman na ko. 

Ang problema na lang e saan mo ilalagay yung 200+ bpm 16ths mo.

[autoexec]

Ang problema na lang e saan mo ilalagay yung 200+ bpm 16ths mo.

Hehehe, kung wala kang mahanap na magandang kantang ganun ang tempo, i-32nds mo nlang. ... Basta ang importante capable ka sa ganun pag naka double pedal ka...

kung papipiliin kayo, since ang presyo ng single axis longboard ay halos kasing presyo na ng double pedal ng tama IC and pearl elims, alin ang pipiliin nyo? bakit?

Although I'm not capable yet sa mga mabibilis na footworks, I still don't want to spoil my left foot... Bass drum pedal is still different than just a hi-hat pedal... So hindi mo rin masasabi na pwede rin pang-alternative yung hi-hat pedal pang excercise ng left mo... Iba pa din ang bdrum pedal...

Yun ay aking opinyon lamang po...

[paulknk]

ah huwag po kayo magtalo mga sir!hehe. anyways, it's a matter of preference and style of music you're into. using low or high-end pedals doesn't guarantee speed and skill building. it all depends on you. tsaka advice ko lang pagdating sa preference sa brand ng peds na gamit na pareho lang lahat yan. mas maganda mag criticise kung lahat ng klase ng peds nasubukan na at nagkaron ka.i started out using tama single pedal (flexi-flyer) maya peds from jb then mitello from rj then gibraltar intruder, pearl power shifter then ngayon axis a shortboards modified/converted to longboards. ang feel at response ng pedal depends on the setting and tweaking involved.

i ended up with axis kase me hinahanap ako response at feel and wayback 1994 nakagamit nko ng axis ung kay mica azurin so from there nagkaron ako ng idea with regards to power, response and feel.

pero axis is a different animal. incomparable to elims and ics. and it's not even for metal drummers only.check their site.

bottom line is, kung ano trip mo at feel mo at kaya ng budget dun ka.hehe.

oks pa rin ako sa ics at elims andun parin ang feel ko kahit nga ung dobs na galing quiapo eh konting tweak lang kaya mo lumipad.

just my 2 cents

mabuhay pinoy drummers!

[el Brutal]

as for using the slave pedal on grooves.. YES. it helps lalo na pag complex ang music.nakakainnovate ka pa ng technique.. other use ko ng slave pedal is to strengthen the weaker foot.. minsan puro kaliwa lang ginagamit ko sa tugtog.. para kakaiba..

[phfreq]

ah huwag po kayo magtalo mga sir!hehe. anyways, it's a matter of preference and style of music you're into. using low or high-end pedals doesn't guarantee speed and skill building. it all depends on you. tsaka advice ko lang pagdating sa preference sa brand ng peds na gamit na pareho lang lahat yan. mas maganda mag criticise kung lahat ng klase ng peds nasubukan na at nagkaron ka.i started out using tama single pedal (flexi-flyer) maya peds from jb then mitello from rj then gibraltar intruder, pearl power shifter then ngayon axis a shortboards modified/converted to longboards. ang feel at response ng pedal depends on the setting and tweaking involved.

i ended up with axis kase me hinahanap ako response at feel and wayback 1994 nakagamit nko ng axis ung kay mica azurin so from there nagkaron ako ng idea with regards to power, response and feel.

pero axis is a different animal. incomparable to elims and ics. and it's not even for metal drummers only.check their site.

bottom line is, kung ano trip mo at feel mo at kaya ng budget dun ka.hehe.

oks pa rin ako sa ics at elims andun parin ang feel ko kahit nga ung dobs na galing quiapo eh konting tweak lang kaya mo lumipad.

just my 2 cents

mabuhay pinoy drummers!

hindi naman po nagtatalo, nagkakaron lang ng exchange ng ideas / opinion

maraming salamat po! 

as for using the slave pedal on grooves.. YES. it helps lalo na pag complex ang music.nakakainnovate ka pa ng technique.. other use ko ng slave pedal is to strengthen the weaker foot.. minsan puro kaliwa lang ginagamit ko sa tugtog.. para kakaiba..

ah ok... minsan lang kasi parang naiisip ko na baka pag madalas double peds ang gamit eh parang magiging tamad na ung kanan kung halimbawang instead of doing it mainly with the right eh ginagamit mo na din ung left...  halimbawa -- doing triplets with the first note accented, pwedeng right foot ung first note tapos yung sumunod na doubles eh sa left foot -- instead of doing it with only right foot.. Baka mamaya hindi makuha ung fool potential nung right kung madalas eh umaasa sa slave pedal..

hence my question kung doing it with single pedals or doing it with doubles..

pero nasabi din sa previous reply dito na kung kaya ng right foot (dominant) eh wag nang gamitan ng slave... he h eh eh...

meron po ba ditong tumitira ng sextuplets sa mga kanta (e.g. some metallica songs among others) using single pedals instead of double peds?

[paulknk]

ah ok.sori po wrong term.ok  siguro nasa imagination at creativity na un.tama lahat ng sinasabi dito whether using it for strengthening the weaker limb and so on and so forth.

nga pala, parang masarap pagtripan yung duallist pedals?mmm. sino ba meron dito nun?

[phfreq]

eto po ung mga nag-stick sa akin from this thread

.. wag na mag double pedal pag kaya namang gawin ang lick sa isang paa.

.. it's all about the music...

.. we are the machines, they are just tools

[drummerboy827]

I chose double pedal IC kasi para sa akin from the given choices, IC dual peds ang pinakamaganda para sa akin.

Kung meron Trick na dual peds, trick na ako. You can virtually adjust it even from the throne 

[intake]

akin lang..
parang tinanong mo kung mas ok ba ang ferarri f430 o ang mitsubishi evo 9 sa pinas 

doon nako sa double peds (IC, elims etc.)
-maadjust ko din naman yung pedal
-kung nagsawa ka sa single ped...andyan ang isang ped welcome na welcome para sa kaliwang paa
-di ka na mamomroblema sa pagbili

pero...iba pa rin talaga ang High end pedals..mapa single or double 

[kibohead]

magkaiba kasi sir yung single peds at double peds kahit gaano kapa kagaling sa isang pedal, if your music requires a double peds...go for it, make sure na you get the right peds for your playing. pangmatagalan ang peds kaya sana when you purchase, try getting what you really want po.