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Offline phfreq

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emotions expressed in drumming
« on: September 30, 2009, 04:50:43 AM »
kaya bang i-express yung emotions through drumming? Meron bang mga patterns na nag-eevoke ng certain feelings? Meron bang drum pattern na masaya? malungkot? natatakot? excited? etc.. Or yung feelings na to eh naeexpress lang using melody and harmony (guitars, piano, etc)?

kung halimbawa sinabi sa inyo ng composer na gusto ko feel nito upbeat and masaya pero hindi tunog reggae or hindi tunog carribean, anong pattern ang gagawin nyo? Halimbawa sinabi na gusto ko sa part na to eh malungkot, ano gagawin nyo?

Kung halimbawa ung song ng band nyo gusto nyo magtell ng story, na yung first part ng kanta eh nakakatakot tapos biglang magiging relieved or nahimasmasan na sa bandang dulo ng kanta, anong patterns ang gagamitin nyo?

Na-encounter nyo na ba yung ganitong scenario na ang sinasabi sa inyo eh "feel" sa certain parts ng song tapos kayo na bahala gumawa ng beats? Ano yung ginawa nyo?

Salamat sa pag-share :-)

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Re: emotions expressed in drumming
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2009, 04:54:16 AM »
ako paborito ko yng mga kantang may mga build up!  :-D tamang yng mga mahinang palo ramdam na ramdam!  :-D
build up!

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Re: emotions expressed in drumming
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2009, 06:12:09 AM »
kapag emotionally linked ka sa pag-gawa mo ng music, kitang kita ung pag-evoke mo ng mood at expression sa palo mo.. ganito ako kapag nag-drum solo, ung notes kung paano ang placements, ung beats kung paano ang transitions etc.. ung changes from alternating ghost notes to fast blastbeats! hahaha! it's like storytelling but through the medium of drumming so to speak.. :wink:

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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2009, 09:31:05 AM »
Crying haha . lalo na kapag death metal ang tgtgan  :-D dahil sobrang sakit na ng braso haha :mrgreen: blasts! hangang matapos ang kanta

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Re: emotions expressed in drumming
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2009, 10:51:46 AM »
ako may napanood na drummer na naka NGA NGA yung bibig all the time while playing... Pucha sabi ng kasama kong babae...

girl: Paeng, bakit sya naka nga nga??
Me: Naghihintay ng langaw na makakain! hehehe...
girl: para syang [chewbacca]..
Me: (oo nga eh, akala nya CUTE. mukha talagang [chewbacca]! kahit anong galing nito pumalo kung all the time naka nganga sya. mukha syang eng eng.) hehehehhe...

Moral of the story, shut your pie hole while playing drums.
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Re: emotions expressed in drumming
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2009, 10:59:05 AM »
I believe you can express certain emotions. Just like when you are announcing results in a contest..they'd say, "drum roll please"! to build up excitement. Same thing when you want to highlight a joke punchline. In the military, they use drum rolls of different intensities to guide soldiers to war and again, build up excitement and energy. Some would play drum version of "taps" on funerals. So, I think you can also do that in modern drumming. Drum kits should be an extension of your feelings and emotions and how you express it in a song just like any other instruments. Once you are in sync with it, it will be like second nature. Your personality, character and emotions will totally reflect in your drumming.

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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2009, 11:00:01 AM »
ako may napanood na drummer na naka NGA NGA yung bibig all the time while playing... Pucha sabi ng kasama kong babae...

girl: Paeng, bakit sya naka nga nga??
Me: Naghihintay ng langaw na makakain! hehehe...
girl: para syang [chewbacca]..
Me: (oo nga eh, akala nya CUTE. mukha talagang [chewbacca]! kahit anong galing nito pumalo kung all the time naka nganga sya. mukha syang eng eng.) hehehehhe...

Moral of the story, shut your pie hole while playing drums.

Ang comment na natanggap ko from my last gig: "bakit parang may nginunguya ka?"  :lol:

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Re: emotions expressed in drumming
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2009, 11:02:15 AM »
I believe you can express certain emotions. Just like when you are announcing results in a contest..they'd say, "drum roll please"! to build up excitement. Same thing when you want to highlight a joke punchline. In the military, they use drum rolls of different intensities to guide soldiers to war and again, build up excitement and energy. Some would play drum version of "taps" on funerals. So, I think you can also do that in modern drumming. Drum kits should be an extension of your feelings and emotions and how you express it in a song just like any other instruments. Once you are in sync with it, it will be like second nature. Your personality, character and emotions will totally reflect in your drumming.
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touch ako sa post mo men!!  :cry:

 :-D

kidding aside. oo men. that is 100% true.. kahit nung nag gigitara pa ako... men.. It's like making love with the music!! (lalo na kung naka weeds!) heheheh..

pero yung naka nganga kasi.. ang advice ko sa kanya eh... LEARN TO CONTROL YOUR FVCKING EMOTIONS!!  :-D :lol:  hahahha..
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Re: emotions expressed in drumming
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2009, 11:03:57 AM »
Ang comment na natanggap ko from my last gig: "bakit parang may nginunguya ka?"  :lol:

oks na din yun men!!! basta hwag ka nga nga nga!! hahahaha... 

pansinin nyo yung mga taong parating naka nga nga... yun yung mga taong BELOW SEA LEVEL ang IQ..  :-D :lol:
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Re: emotions expressed in drumming
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2009, 11:07:45 AM »
ako may napanood na drummer na naka NGA NGA yung bibig all the time while playing... Pucha sabi ng kasama kong babae...

girl: Paeng, bakit sya naka nga nga??
Me: Naghihintay ng langaw na makakain! hehehe...
girl: para syang [chewbacca]..
Me: (oo nga eh, akala nya CUTE. mukha talagang [chewbacca]! kahit anong galing nito pumalo kung all the time naka nganga sya. mukha syang eng eng.) hehehehhe...

Moral of the story, shut your pie hole while playing drums.

haha. Well, I guess that is the beauty of music. It only proves that he is totally feeling it without caring how and what he looks like. Just like Michael Jordan sticking his tongue out when he goes for that drive and jams. Have you noticed Charlie Watts when he plays? He fidgets! :) He looks poker faced, sometimes angry but that is his expression and by far does not mean he is not enjoying it. For us drummers, we look into this in detail but for casual listeners, they only care about how you sound and that's all that matters.  :mrgreen:

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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2009, 11:08:34 AM »
oks na din yun men!!! basta hwag ka nga nga nga!! hahahaha... 

pansinin nyo yung mga taong parating naka nga nga... yun yung mga taong BELOW SEA LEVEL ang IQ..  :-D :lol:

Buti nga hindi ako napapanganga e.
Habang yung iba e yung kaliwang paa ang parang nagbibilang, sa pag-grind ng ngipin ako nagbibilang. Balang araw magkakaroon ako ng toothache sa ginagawa ko.  :lol:

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Re: emotions expressed in drumming
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2009, 11:10:04 AM »
anyone here selling the Joey Jordison mask??? para wala nang emotions!! hehehehe...  :lol: :-D
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Re: emotions expressed in drumming
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2009, 11:17:47 AM »
Just to clarify things. I think the OP is asking about emotions expressed in drumming and not the drummers expression while playing. Kasi iba yung emotions expressed through the drum beats itself as against the facial expression of the drummer. Again, Charlie Watts would look totally different than the beat he is playing may it be fast, intense, sad, etc. He has blank facial expression but can still come out with a variety of drum beat moods.
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Re: emotions expressed in drumming
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2009, 11:25:35 AM »
Just to clarify things. I think the OP is asking about emotions expressed in drumming and not the drummers expression while playing. Kasi iba yung emotions expressed through the drum beats itself as against the facial expression of the drummer. Again, Charlie Watts would look totally different than the beat he is playing may it be fast, intense, sad, etc. He has blank facial expression but can still come out with a variety of drum beat moods.

Though FACIAL EXPRESSIONS is the mirror of your emotions diba!!

look at porn stars.. you can tell what they are thinking when you "only" see the whites of their eyes diba!! (grabe ba sa Metaphor!)  :-D :lol:
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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2009, 11:30:51 AM »
Sumakay lang ako sa post ni paeng16.

Anyways, yes, posible na mag-convey ng emotions through your playing style. It's just a step below musical synesthesia, where you convey other sensory info through music, e.g. you play hot or cool, red or blue, funky or sweet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia

Isa sa mga paborito kong style is what I call dissonance. Basically, it means you're playing within and out of the emotions conveyed by other musicians in your group. For example, the guitars sound a bit reflective while you play seemingly chaotic yet soft passages, tapos bigla kang sasabay sa rhythm ng guitars uli. Para bang you're messing with the senses and emotions of the listeners, pero yun pala may mensahe ang ginagawa mo. It's like giving the listeners an opportunity to decode and explore your music.

Edit: It turns out na may term na "dissonance" talaga sa music theory, though it seems focused lang ang term sa melody, hindi sa rhythm. Kahit ganunpaman, pareho ang  desired effect na trip ko. It's a natural high. Try listening to post-rock bands like toe or Explosions in the Sky - sila ang perfect example ng mga banda na nag-capitalize sa dissonance, rhythm-wise and melody-wise. Walang lyrics, pero pinaglalaruan ang isip at damdamin mo.

I hope na-gets niyo itong binabanggit ko. Actually, it's a musical philosophy na gusto ko i-explore sa pagtugtog dahil swak siya sa personality ko. Hehe.
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« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2009, 11:58:22 AM »
phfreq, ikaw dapat ang nakakaalam niyan, kasi ikaw nag nag-introduce sakin sa Hella, Don Caballero at toe e.   :-D

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Re: emotions expressed in drumming
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2009, 11:58:51 AM »
 :-D

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Re: emotions expressed in drumming
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2009, 12:13:20 PM »
Though FACIAL EXPRESSIONS is the mirror of your emotions diba!!

look at porn stars.. you can tell what they are thinking when you "only" see the whites of their eyes diba!! (grabe ba sa Metaphor!)  :-D :lol:

Oo nga, hanep naman sa metaphor. Ako nga Michael Jordan nalang ginamit ko eh.  :lol:

Pero in all seriousness, di pa din totally pwede i-sight ang porn actors as an example kasi some of them would fake it kasi nga kelangan they should look like they are enjoying it maski hindi. Trabhajo nila yun eh. It's different with music, it's an expression of art kaya mahirap ma fake. Lalabas talaga yung ibat-ibang itsura mo like it or not. :) Meron din naman na intentional yung physical expression strictly for form purposes lalo na kapag rock drummer ka just to give emphasis.

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Re: emotions expressed in drumming
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2009, 12:26:08 PM »
phfreq, ikaw dapat ang nakakaalam niyan, kasi ikaw nag nag-introduce sakin sa Hella, Don Caballero at toe e.   :-D

he he he.. ang hirap nga eh.. kaya nagtatanong kasi the more the merrier. he he he..

naisip ko itanong kasi recently may gusto magpadrums dun sa kanta, ang sinabi eh anong feel ang gusto nya sa certain parts so ayun, nahirapan na.. Madalas kasi sasabihin yung katunog ng ganitong kanta, or parang tunog ng ganitong band pero nung sinabing "feel", ayun na, natulala na.. he hehe...

naalala ko rin ung dati may nabasa ako na sinulat ni steve vai, about sa mga tunog/notes nya -- na ineexpress nya yung  feelings using his guitar (ang example na naalala ko eh yung may notes daw sya parang dun sa feeling na parang malapit na syang mag-sneeze -- ha haha-- talk about "being in it"). Pero totoo naman. Ibang klase ung mga kanta at guitar parts nya. (favorite ko ung sex and religion na album). Sa bass naman, listen to how victor wooten plays. Sa drums, hindi ko alam. Medyo si glen kotchke or si gavin harrison pero parang ang hirap i-analyze yung process nila to create the rhythm.. he hehe.. sa band naman, yung mae http://www.whatismae.com/

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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2009, 12:50:15 PM »
Ok din na band examples:
 
Mute Math, to some extent.
Hurtmold
(Opinion ko lang naman, wag seryosohin)

Sa drumming, agree ako kay Glen Kotchke. Mahilig siya sa textures and ambient sounds e.
Sino pa ba mga katulad niya?

Si Jason McGerr?
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« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2009, 04:43:36 PM »
Tulad nung ka-argue ko sa youtube....

Kung wala kang expression sa pagdrums mo, para ka lang pumapalo, walang dynamics, robot, parang caveman.
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Re: emotions expressed in drumming
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2009, 10:22:06 PM »
so, based sa mga replies, parang dynamics and tempo ung binabanggit na pwedeng contributor sa pag-express ng emotions sa drumming.

Ibig sabihin ba nito walang specific pattern/beat that expresses certain emotions/feelings?

Ibig sabihin ba nito na the same pattern, playing with different dynamics and maybe phrasing eh magbabago na ang feel ng kanta?

So pwede kayang yung standard disco beat eh pabagalin tapos baguhin ang phrasing eh maging "sad" song?

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« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2009, 11:22:38 PM »
naka tulala... :-o