anong pinagkaiba sa tunog ng foreign (US) at local recording?

[sinosimelo]

bigla nanaman po akong may naisip tanong, nauuhaw ako sa kaalaman..   

ano pong pinag kaiba nila? mas malupit po ba yung sound quality? kung ganun nga... anong yung "malupit na quality" na yun? pano idedescribe.. kasi nag tataka rin po ako eh... parang wala naman masyadong pinagkaiba.. well maliban lang kung talagang crappy yung pagka record... ehehe.. thanks!!!!

[alien_inside]

bigla nanaman po akong may naisip tanong, nauuhaw ako sa kaalaman..   

ano pong pinag kaiba nila? mas malupit po ba yung sound quality? kung ganun nga... anong yung "malupit na quality" na yun? pano idedescribe.. kasi nag tataka rin po ako eh... parang wala naman masyadong pinagkaiba.. well maliban lang kung talagang crappy yung pagka record... ehehe.. thanks!!!!

be Specific. Halimbawa, an AMERICAN PROFESSIONAL STUDIO vs a PINOY PROFESSIONAL STUDIO. Both with very PRO engineers...

kung foreign syempre wala silang TAGALOG... 

[sinosimelo]

be Specific. Halimbawa, an AMERICAN PROFESSIONAL STUDIO vs a PINOY PROFESSIONAL STUDIO. Both with very PRO engineers...

kung foreign syempre wala silang TAGALOG... 

i mean yung quality po ng sound.. kasi yung typecast sa ibang banda pa raw nag record ng kanta nila.. mayasia ata.. sabi nila dun nila nahanap yung "tunog" na hanap nila.... so basically sa quality lang talaga ng mga equipments? hahaha.. obvious ata yung tanong ko... pero curious lang tlga :p

[SAITOHAJIME]

i mean yung quality po ng sound.. kasi yung typecast sa ibang banda pa raw nag record ng kanta nila.. mayasia ata.. sabi nila dun nila nahanap yung "tunog" na hanap nila.... so basically sa quality lang talaga ng mga equipments? hahaha.. obvious ata yung tanong ko... pero curious lang tlga :p

Baka ang tinutukoy mo eh yun band na "slapshock". AFAIK sa malaysia sila nagrecord tapus sa US na master ang mga kanta nila. Nadinig ko na ang first single nila (Carino Brutal), maganda nga ang pagkakarecord. lutang na lutang ang tono ng mga instrumento (especially the double bass drums) . It really makes u think, bakit nga ba ganun? mas maganda kung sila ang gagawa?

[irajames]

its all in the experiences of the engineers.

AFAIK, lahat ng gamit ng mga pro studio sa ibang bansa, meron din tayo dito sa pinas. Nasa gumagamit na lang un. 

[alien_inside]

" TUNOG " is totally subjective...

[sinosimelo]

napansin ko dami kong typo. hahah..

-ahh ganun po ba? so nasa tao lang tlga.. i see.. heheh.. salamat sa tulong nyo!

[skunkyfunk]

Madalas minamadali ang local recordings.  Papuntahin mo si Bob Rock dito sa Pinas and subject him to the same budget issues and time pressures, let's see if he can come up with stellar recordings like what he is known for.

In all honesty, tracking pa lang pot-su na tayo kadalasan... Usually ang approach locally is get a 'middle of the road' sound in the tracking tapos habol sa mixing and post.  Kasi sa ganung paraan mas mabilis ang trabaho.   

[mikep]

I was reading an article about the recording of the Beatles' Sgt. Pepper, as related in the book of Geoff Emerick, the Beatles' recording engineer.  He said the difference between the "Revolver" and the "Sgt. Pepper" albums is the fact that the sonic quality of the latter was more superior due to two important factors.  The studio used in Sgt. Pepper was a bigger Studio II, which was able to "capture" all the nuances of various highs and low frequencies, compared to Studio III where "Revolver" was recorded.  Studio III is much smaller as compared to II's capability of handling full orchestras.  The second factor is equipment.  Seems that Studio II had better sounding preamps and mixers, although both use the same brand of mixer, EMI's Redd X (?) and tube Neumann mics.  So, from what he is saying, the recording space takes a lot of importance - big, acoustically well treated rooms with good sonic response, and definitely professionally "tuned" equipment - preamps, mixers, recorders, etc.

Others include budget, talent, creativity, knowledge and definitely ears.

[abyssinianson]

I was reading an article about the recording of the Beatles' Sgt. Pepper, as related in the book of Geoff Emerick, the Beatles' recording engineer.  He said the difference between the "Revolver" and the "Sgt. Pepper" albums is the fact that the sonic quality of the latter was more superior due to two important factors.  The studio used in Sgt. Pepper was a bigger Studio II, which was able to "capture" all the nuances of various highs and low frequencies, compared to Studio III where "Revolver" was recorded.  Studio III is much smaller as compared to II's capability of handling full orchestras.  The second factor is equipment.  Seems that Studio II had better sounding preamps and mixers, although both use the same brand of mixer, EMI's Redd X (?) and tube Neumann mics.  So, from what he is saying, the recording space takes a lot of importance - big, acoustically well treated rooms with good sonic response, and definitely professionally "tuned" equipment - preamps, mixers, recorders, etc.

Others include budget, talent, creativity, knowledge and definitely ears.

+1. it isn't unheard of to spend the same amount, sometimes even more, on acoustics and construction of the recordings space than you do on the actual equipment. thing with acoustics and construction, it is a careful one time investment that will last the entire length of the studio's operating time. you can have the best equipment in the world but if your acoustics aren't up to spec, you will be plagued with a lot of problems.

[irajames]

pero un nga. i'm sure almost pareho lang mga gamit at facilities ung mga studios dito at sa states.

nasa pag gamit na lang ng engineer un, at kung gano katagal niya binibigyan ng oras at effort ang isang recording.

[jobs]

tama! pinagaralan nmin to sa acoustics and broadcasting. besides the equipment, malaki ring factor yung reverberation time ng studio which consists of the materials inside the studio chaka yung size ng studio.

[sinosimelo]

pero un nga. i'm sure almost pareho lang mga gamit at facilities ung mga studios dito at sa states.

nasa pag gamit na lang ng engineer un, at kung gano katagal niya binibigyan ng oras at effort ang isang recording.

yun ang hinahanap kong sagot..  atleast naliwanagan ako.

[abyssinianson]

pero un nga. i'm sure almost pareho lang mga gamit at facilities ung mga studios dito at sa states.

nasa pag gamit na lang ng engineer un, at kung gano katagal niya binibigyan ng oras at effort ang isang recording.

there are a lot of factors in addition to the engineer. as a whole, you have to consider the contributions of the recording engineer, the guy mixing the project, the producer and the mastering engineer's work on top of everything else. like others have said, though mastering is a crucial part of the recording process...people will skimp on it thinking the product will sound the same if they just slap on a limiter at the output bus. the take home message is: while gear is important, the appropriate usage of the gear relative to the recording process is key - your overall sound quality depends on how you take advantage of the recording space and capture it using the gear you've got.

[skunkyfunk]

Artists always blame the studio, the engineer, and the studio.  IMO, it is all about artists doing their homework first before setting foot to the studio.  If
 you don't want to waste 3 hours completing a guitar solo then by all means do some home recording first and preprod demos before doing serious recording.

Another thing, producers are important to be hired if you do not know what you are doing. 

[progressive_pilipinas]

nice thread.

i have been observing the difference between foreign and locally recorded songs. I am not attempting to nor degrading our local recording studios or engineers - but i really hear that most of the times songs done here lack that punch or that volume or tightness(i really am not sure what it is that is missing).

i am still wondering whether these are products of equipments or engineers.

[skyjammer]

nice thread.

i have been observing the difference between foreign and locally recorded songs. I am not attempting to nor degrading our local recording studios or engineers - but i really hear that most of the times songs done here lack that punch or that volume or tightness(i really am not sure what it is that is missing).

i am still wondering whether these are products of equipments or engineers.

This might be a bit OT but I observe the same thing in live TV performances of local vs foreign TV shows. If you're watching from a typical boob-tube tv with 10w or lower speaker system, local tv music will sound like some major instruments or instrument parts are not present or missing (it varies but most of the time it’s either the lead guitar, the bass drum or the bass guitar). I’m definitely not pertaining to live performances with the mixing board not lined into the video mix. If you watch “late night” American Shows or say, American Idol, the instruments sound balanced.

Again, this might be kinda OT or I may have missed something; I’m just sayin’. 

[skunkyfunk]

nice thread.

i have been observing the difference between foreign and locally recorded songs. I am not attempting to nor degrading our local recording studios or engineers - but i really hear that most of the times songs done here lack that punch or that volume or tightness(i really am not sure what it is that is missing).

i am still wondering whether these are products of equipments or engineers.

I think what you are talking about is poor arrangement.  Who knew Enya does 100 layers of vocals during recordings even during the 2" tape era? 

As for mastering, I guess the real issue is no one wants to shell out extra moolah for mastering.  Personally I have heard UNMASTERED and MASTERE foreign mixes... the mastering doesn't really change the vibe of the recording, but the enhancement is a large step forward.

Another problem locally is the lack of 'need' for producers who know their sh1t.  As far as I know the only producers who get  really big bucks are Lito Camo and Vehnee Saturno.  As for rock and metal, almost everyone goes DIY  producing.  It can be good or extremely bad.

[bloodshedd]

i mean yung quality po ng sound.. kasi yung typecast sa ibang banda pa raw nag record ng kanta nila.. mayasia ata.. sabi nila dun nila nahanap yung "tunog" na hanap nila.... so basically sa quality lang talaga ng mga equipments? hahaha.. obvious ata yung tanong ko... pero curious lang tlga :p

You should look out for TYPECAST's new album... Recorded locally at Tower of Doom...
It sure sounds good even during the tracking/ pre-mixing sessions...

...a notch up from their previous albums in terms of production...including the one you mentioned above.