newbie here need help using Sequencer

[deejay]

mga sir. ako po ay marunong magkeyboards on n off  po ako sa band dahil my trabaho...gusto ko po sanang magkaroon ng idea kung anong tamang gamit na bilhin ko habang nandito pa ako sa  ibang  bansa..para mka tugtug ako at mka edit ng mga midis na gagamitin ko. available ko po na keys ay korg x50.. sinubukan ko tumugtug gamit yung yamaha keyboard na my usb at pwedeng mag play ng midi at i-off yung piano track at sinabayan ko using my korg x50 .my ibang instrument na ayaw ko ang tunog at inoff ko at ako na rin ang tumugtog like brass sect and some synth ng yamaha na ginamit ko.

ngyon po my laptop ako at sa pagbabasa nakita ko kelangan ng midi interface. pano ko po papaganahin?

ano po mgandang gadget na pwedeng mag play ng midi at the same time pwedeng mag edit at magamit na player ng midi files for live performance.


hehe sensya na po wala talaga  akong alam. sana po matulungan at maliwanagan po ako sa gagawin ko. =)

salamat  in advance.

[KitC]

ngyon po my laptop ako at sa pagbabasa nakita ko kelangan ng midi interface. pano ko po papaganahin?

Not necessary dahil may X50 ka na. (I think this should be in the keyboard forums.)

The X50 has a usb port that provides direct midi communication between your keyboard and laptop. You might not even need an audio interface but if you intend to gig with your laptop, I definitely recommend some form of external soundcard, preferably with 1/4" inputs and outputs which are more robust compared to your laptop's 1/8" connections.

What you need is software to record and edit your midi. For the PC, Cubase, Sonar, and Ableton Live are among the more popular choices. If your laptop is a mac, it already comes with Garageband which is more than good enough for newbies.

[karlo]

if you're looking for a live performance app, i recommend ableton live. meron sa the music source. it started as a performance tool but has evolved to become a full-fledged DAW. malapit n lumabas yung live 8 

[deejay]

thanks po mga sir...  pagaaralan ko po munang mag edit sa mga ganyan SW.

ano pong brand or spec ng external sound card ang pwede kong bilhin.

pede po ba gawing sound module ang x50 ko para sa midi?

[KitC]

pede po ba gawing sound module ang x50 ko para sa midi?

Yes. Just set it to multi mode. Doesn't your X50 come with a manual?

[deejay]

Yes. Just set it to multi mode. Doesn't your X50 come with a manual?

it has sir ,actually ngayon ko pa lang po babasahin..hehe    anyways thanks for the suggestions and comments.. ginanahan na talaga akong mag research about sequencers...

ok po ba yung price ng cubase na nakita ko P16,640 equivalent sa peso acording sa music sa store na yon latest daw ng cubase , di ko matandaan kung cubase sx3. ganun po ba talaga ang ang price ng SW  

[karlo]

that sounds pretty cheap actually. latest cubase in stores i think is 4. pero na-announce na yung 5 at winter NAMM.

[KitC]

that sounds pretty cheap actually. latest cubase in stores i think is 4. pero na-announce na yung 5 at winter NAMM.

I read somewhere that if you get Cubase4 now, you can get the upgrade to C5 for only 20 euro. The offer is different in the US.

@TS: Sequencers are easy... you'll get the hang of it once you start recording some notes.

[deejay]

my problem now is that my usb driver is for windows xp and not compatible for vista. im using vista  so i have to find midi interface wch is for vista....? 


i find hard to understand ableton hehe same with cubase..  what i am trying right now is Sony.ACID.Pro.v6.0 .. madaling intindihin ng tulad ko na baguhan..

[3650guy]

usb driver 1.1 for xp/vista is somewhere here.
http://www.korguksupport.co.uk/page.cfm?pageid=464

try it first before getting a interface.

[deejay]

usb driver 1.1 for xp/vista is somewhere here.
http://www.korguksupport.co.uk/page.cfm?pageid=464

try it first before getting a interface.

thank you sir !!

[deejay]

ayun gumana din !  kaso  pagplay ko ng midi files sa x50 naghalo halo yung tunog ...  piano lahat lumabas na tunog gamit ko yung cubasesx 3 na nadownload ko
lng..


hindi ko pa masyado naiintindihan pinag gagawa ko..hehe 

mas ok po ba mag edit at magplay ng midi sa roland mc50?

mahirap gamitin as sound module ang x50...ilang gabi nko napupuyat ...nakaka adict ..

[alien_inside]

...nakaka adict ..

So you mean you're having fun?!

I started using the MC50mk2 nung 1994. Editing was frustrating due to its SMALL DISPLAY...then, lumabas XP80, i bought one. MC features were there. Then sold it again to buy the MC80 and still using it til now.

Still, there are BIG differences between Stand Alone and PC Based sequencing...number one sa issue na yan is the Graphical User Interface...

about x50, simply set it to MULTIMODE as earlier replied here...if SOUND gone wrong, check your keyboard/multimode settings about program change, control change, etc...or, initialize your x50 to GM Mode before using it as your tone generator... Check mo din yung cubase on settings on transmitting MIDI MESSAGES such as sysex, PGs, CCs, and others...

if problem still exist, you may have problems on your MIDIFILES... ( sysex )

x50 and other synthsas module is just an easy setup. Just set it up properly. Except synths without the GM/XG - you need " GM format something blah blah " for trinity/jv90/m1/etc. para ma-play mo Standard MIDIFILES...

[KitC]

if problem still exist, you may have problems on your MIDIFILES... ( sysex )

Used to be with Cubase VST, whenever you import a midi file, it would end up in only one track, hence one midi channel (usually channel 1). You had to 'dissolve' the part so that each channel would end up in a different track, each assigned to a succeeding midi channel as defined in the midi fle. The instrument assignments should be intact after the dissolve process.

Haven't done midi in Cubase in a while, but my SL2 still has Dissolve Part as a menu command. Haven't felt the need to up to C4 or C5 yet... maybe if they offer the same 20 euro deal.  hehe

[deejay]

So you mean you're having fun?!

I started using the MC50mk2 nung 1994. Editing was frustrating due to its SMALL DISPLAY...then, lumabas XP80, i bought one. MC features were there. Then sold it again to buy the MC80 and still using it til now.

enjoying at the same time its challenging haha.



sir wala na available nyang mc 50 and 80  .... ano po ba pinakamalapit na katulad ng ganyang gadgets?





tama kelangan mag asign muna ng sound every channel kapa kapa muna ako...hehe   

aral aral muna...thanks sa mga ideas nga pla mga sir!



ano po ba ang pnaka standard na asigning ng sound in each  tracks.


example:

track 1 - piano
track 2 - strings
track 3 -

and so on.....

[alien_inside]

SMF File types: SMF-0, SMF-1. I always save as SMF-0 pag may nagpapagawa..

SMF-0 contains all information in one track while a SMF-1 has extracted parts, usually one track for each MIDI channel.

I bought my mc80 6 yrs ago...working fine with 3 major brands of synths. just a matter of MIDI settings and assigning channels and parts.

explore...and enjoy....

[alien_inside]

SMF File types: SMF-0, SMF-1. I always save as SMF-0 pag may nagpapagawa..

SMF-0 contains all information in one track while a SMF-1 has extracted parts, usually one track for each MIDI channel.

I bought my mc80 6 yrs ago...working fine with 3 major brands of synths. just a matter of MIDI settings and assigning channels and parts.

explore...and enjoy....

[reycantong]

From my experience, mas madali mag sequence sa pc because of it's GUI. Kitang kita mo lahat ng activities dun. Sysex, notes, velocity etc. mae-edit mo lang lahat in a fly.

Opening a SMF depends on how it is made or exported pero usually, pag open mo sa DAW mo, separate tracks agad yun (GM). Aayusin mo nga lang mga instruments nun para umayos ang tunog. And depende sa module mo yun kung maganda (naka x50 ka naman ata so maganda yan)

You can try a "friendlier" software like SONAR sa pc. Madali talaga tong gamitin.

[deejay]

ok na po yung pagset up ng x50 to laptop

sa global select master on multimode then kelangan set it to GM. 

sa ngyon na eenjoy ko na gamitin as sound module ang x50. pero still studying on how to edit midi files using sonar na sinabi ni sir reycantong na "friendlier" software 


at natuwa pa ako nung ginamit ko yung player ng van basco and set the output to x50...

unti unti ko na naiintindihan kung ano talaga ang kelangan ko gawin at gusto mangyari..

at my tanong ako kung ano naman masasabi nyo sa Roland Sonic cell kasi mukang nagustuhan ko ang features nya. mukang yan ang kailangan ko.




 

[reycantong]

Sonic Cell is a  sound module at the same time usb audio interface. Kung wala ka pa talagang magandang soundcard na ginagamit, puede ito. Pero kung meron ka na, IMO useless na ito kasi may x50 ka na for your sounds and may sequencer ka naman na ginagamit na like you've mentioned.

[alien_inside]

Sonic Cell is a  sound module at the same time usb audio interface. Kung wala ka pa talagang magandang soundcard na ginagamit, puede ito. Pero kung meron ka na, IMO useless na ito kasi may x50 ka na for your sounds and may sequencer ka naman na ginagamit na like you've mentioned.

...unless he wanna use it as second sound source...aside from x50 sounds...

[deejay]

sir hindi ko na siguro kailangan ng soundcard.. nagamit ko na po ang x50 as sound module at satisfy naman po ako sa tunog nya unlike sa yamaha psr 2000 na ginamit ko dati as player manipis po...


your right sir alien i wanna use it as second sound source para magamit ko naman ang combi ng x50...   di kasi pwedeng mag change sound pag nagplay real time and also transpose kasi habang nagplay ang midi tpos punta ng global sa x50 napuputol ang sound     at the same time di ko na kelangan ng laptop sa stage. ...

[iwi]

sir meron ka na bang sonic cell? interested ako kung mganda talaga.