Do you need to tour the bar circuit to get famous?

[skunkyfunk]

I just wonder... all these bands beg for gigs, go to bar managers and beseech a 15-minute set, and after the performance, they call that a gig.  So you work your ass off trying to make a buzz by accepting mostly TY gigs (no TF) and in the long run, you spend on instrument maintenance, gas (or trip fare) and whatnot. 

But then again, why can't you just get signed with a record label and make you "famous" at once by overexposing you on MYX and MTV, and also schedule promo tours around the country?  Do you really have to tour the bar scene?  Do you have to undergo playing for a crowd of 10 in a 100-seater bar, where 5 of which are your friends, and the other 5 is the next band?

[Gep]

But then again, why can't you just get signed with a record label and make you "famous" at once by overexposing you on MYX and MTV, and also schedule promo tours around the country?  Do you really have to tour the bar scene?  Do you have to undergo playing for a crowd of 10 in a 100-seater bar, where 5 of which are your friends, and the other 5 is the next band?

Basically, because these things are a lot harder to do than to talk about.
The music scene is SATURATED with aspiring bands, and you need money, skill, money, connections, money, etc. to break out. Or sell out.
Did I forget money?

[Gep]

Oops, I forgot.

You also need what we call diskarte. AND money.

[skunkyfunk]

Oops, I forgot.

You also need what we call diskarte. AND money.

What diskarte?  You mean, a series of kicking out managers, asking for help from people who wanna invest on your music and eventually abandon them when a better offer from another financer comes?  It happens...

[higad]

ask the politicians sir. 

[daemonite]

Uhh yeah you forgot the money!

Things to have to break out....
1. Money
2. Money
3. Money
4. Connections
5. Skills (although sometimes irrelevant)

 

[skunkyfunk]

Uhh yeah you forgot the money!

Things to have to break out....
1. Money
2. Money
3. Money
4. Connections
5. Skills (although sometimes irrelevant)

 

Does looks qualify too?

[higad]

Oops, I forgot.

You also need what we call diskarte. AND money.

yea we really need this one.. cause in music, we also talk about BUSINESS.

[daemonite]

Uhh yeah you forgot the money!

Things to have to break out....
1. Money
2. Money
3. Money
4. Connections
5. Skills (although sometimes irrelevant)

 

Does looks qualify too?

Uhhh, sort of, you have to look marketable to be famous.

Kumbaga, managers and labels are "Bugaw" kung wala ka skills, pwede na kung wafu ka....

Pero don't forget the most important thing, Money! 

[franco]

Does looks qualify too?

yes. take the 2 cueshet vox - one sings OK, but the other can only drink water up on stage but chicks dig him so...

[inigo]

You don't need to go on bar gigs to get famous. Just get yourself on masa TV lots of times. That includes MYX.

You go on bar gigs because you want to have some underground credibility. So people can say that you're a "real" band.

Hey, don't ask me, I'm not famous.

[vaisteen2003]

as a musician i beleive it will be for the benefit of the band na din to have experience sa bar gigs. yan kasi ung starting point and foundation eh. Pero there are some bands that i know na after forming the band they started writing songs and recording their songs and sold them to rec labels. And knowing that band, all of them are hardworking. they promote themselves like what a manager should do. Yes di natin maalis that we need money and connections but thats part of the game eh. in the music industry there are 2 types of people

1 businessman
2 artist

and most of the time we try to be both. but if you are really number 2 you wouldnt care about the ROI coz you do it for the art.

[skunkyfunk]

You don't need to go on bar gigs to get famous. Just get yourself on masa TV lots of times. That includes MYX.

You go on bar gigs because you want to have some underground credibility. So people can say that you're a "real" band.

Hey, don't ask me, I'm not famous.

Masa TV?  I think that's more of the Eat Bulaga and Wowowee... Also ASAP and SOP.  If you guest on these shows, that means something. 

[inigo]

I think MYX is masa, as far as music videos are concerned. Content is masa, and they have a videoke component. Parang walang masyadong attempt to be sosi.

[emil_murillo]

Bar circuit?  10%.  Lalo na kung dito sa manila ka lang tumutugtog.  The big answer there is.   "Radio" o "Radyo".  Play your song over the radio and the whole country will listen to you and eventually will know you.

[LORD_TAMSZ]

yan ang hirap eh...


nadinig ko lang ito, hindi ko maalala kung kanino, tingin ko lang kasi medyo related.

"...in the states, an artist makes an album then promotes via small gigs, tv & radio exposure, concerts na din siguro. mas malaki ang kinikita nila thru sales ng album. dito sa pilipinas, gagawa ang artist ng album para magka-GIG/Exposure/Promotion/Appearance, kasi dun mas malaki ang kinikita nila. marami pang recording companies dito sa bansa ang nakakalimot or kinakalimutan ang royalties/rights ng kanta/album of certain artists..."
 

[BassCog]

hmmm, the pragmatic answer is:

No.

You want to get famous fast? then form or join a band with some guwapo frontmen, dress up nice and safe, have at least one or two songs that you know will hit on the radio (not because it's "artistic", but because it's pop or pop-rock fodder), get a manager who can and will make you look like the best music product in the world, and just sign on the dotted line with any major label without looking at the fine print. After that, agree to put your whole life around what your manager and your label dictates that you should do.

Also, get a nice haircut, get a good dentist, mag-diet ka at mag gym ka...and just practice your musicianship enough not to be an embarrassment on noontime shows. Oh, right, again the nice clothes.

and be prepared to cover songs.

sigurado ako, you will not need to tour the bar circuit if you do that. of course, what happens after a few years (months, even) is a different story altogether.

That is, if fame in itself lang ang usapan. Money and artistic satisfaction are a different matter.

[pyrosolaris]

uuuhhhhhhhh... at some point... pero pwede ka rin namang magrelease ng isang EP if you have the funds, the preparations, etc... bigay mo lang yung EP mo sa isang bar, o sa kahit ilan, let them play it, at pag nasatisfy sila, they can book you a schedule on your gig, that's another way to be discovered (suggestion lang pow. if i am wrong you may correct me.)

nga pala, wag mag rush sa paggawa ng EP tape or CD, make it slow but sure, para makuntento sila. wag rush at pag rush di nila magugustuhan yung play nyo, sasabihing nagmadali kayo kasi gusto nyo sumikat agad...

you always start at the bottom, then make your way to the top. it's always nice and slow. face many trials and tribulations, wag susuko agad, it's part of life. pag nawalan ng funds, isa yun. maaari naman kayong makarecover sa isang pagkakamali, pagkapalpak, and generally, failures. high time noon ng eheads nung nagbreakup sila. nang nagpermanent disbandment sila all members went down again. parang gulong ng buhay, pag nasa taas ka na, wala ka nang pupuntahan but down again. after some time sumikat ulit sila, ngunit hindi na sila yung dating eheads na kinikilala noon. nagkawatak watak na sila ng tuluyan. but they keep their ties to eachj other naman. ely is now promoting his new band pupil's singles in their album Beautiful Machines, Sugarraims has formed another band with his wife (although sabayang sumikat ang eheads at sandwich...) and they are on hightime, buddy has collaborated with his new band the Dawn, and marcus has his new career being surfernando.

Sori kung naiba yung usapan. anyway, ganun lang yun.

ang sagot ko: you can tour the bar circuit to be famous, but success can be really nice and slowwwhh...

PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG.