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Re: Live Situations: The Gig Matter of Cutting through the Mix with great Tone
« Reply #50 on: December 19, 2013, 11:21:26 AM »
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Re: Live Situations: The Gig Matter of Cutting through the Mix with great Tone
« Reply #51 on: December 19, 2013, 11:53:21 AM »
pag medyo mahina ang tunog mo., huwag mo lakasan, pahinaan mo yung sa iba.

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Re: Live Situations: The Gig Matter of Cutting through the Mix with great Tone
« Reply #52 on: December 19, 2013, 01:13:32 PM »
crank it up. bury everyone else in the mix.

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« Reply #53 on: December 19, 2013, 01:23:56 PM »
kidding. stuff you can do yourself:

use less reverb and modulation. fewer pings sa delay. cleaner tone. less compression. a lot less than you think you need.

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Re: Live Situations: The Gig Matter of Cutting through the Mix with great Tone
« Reply #54 on: December 19, 2013, 04:00:12 PM »
stop playing in prods and get a real 2 set gig.


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« Reply #55 on: December 19, 2013, 05:53:41 PM »
stop playing in prods and get a real 2 set gig.

this will definitely help you cut through the mix.

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« Reply #56 on: December 20, 2013, 07:41:09 AM »
stop playing in prods and get a real 2 set gig.

I couldn't agree more.

Experienced ko lang to last saturday, wherein I had the luxury to tweaked my amp and pedal settings. 2 bands lang kami, isang sikat na band then us, 1 set  samin...  :)

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« Reply #57 on: December 20, 2013, 09:30:24 AM »
What I do when I plug to the amp on-stage:

-Zero the reverb, turn off the dirt channel (since I rely on my pedals, I just use the cleans of the amp)
-Set the EQ at 12 o'clock, then timpla through cleans. Madalas, mas mataas yung highs ko ng konte kesa sa mids.
-Carefully increase my volume as needed.
 


pag medyo mahina ang tunog mo., huwag mo lakasan, pahinaan mo yung sa iba.

While I agree sa ibang post, dito ako pina-agree.

Group effort parin kasi to IMO. Nasa pagbalanse parin ng banda yan para magkarinigin eh. Ang madalas kasi nagiging problema sa ganyan eh pag hindi mo marinig yung instrument mo, ang tendency mo eh lakasan yung volume mo. As you play along , (subconsciously) ganun din ang gagawin ng iba mong kabanda thus those sets on unpleasant volume levels.

Before hitting the stage, our band would at least talk about our volume control. Once naka-setup na kaming lahat, we would always have a 2-3 minute jam/souncheck just to figure out kung may sumasapaw ba o hindi. Kung sakto na o hindi. Kung malakas ba masyado o hindi. And more importantly, kung rinig parin ba yung boses o hindi.

We are an all-originals band so we mostly play sa mga prod or front sa ibang banda. I have seen a lot of bands na may promising songs written pero nacocompromise yung quality at feel pag tinugtog na because of unbalanced volume levels. I can't say that we always sound good. I admit na I may not have the greatest tone gaya ng iba dito. What I'm quite proud of though is that , we would generally have a balanced sound (though not all the time syempre). Sound na pwedeng pwede mo pa marinig kung ano yung kinakantang lyrics.

I think its a must kung nasa banda ka, while meron kang urge na marinig yung instrument mo, you should ALWAYS consider how you (the band) will sound as a whole.

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Re: Live Situations: The Gig Matter of Cutting through the Mix with great Tone
« Reply #58 on: December 20, 2013, 10:19:02 AM »
What I do when I plug to the amp on-stage:

-Zero the reverb, turn off the dirt channel (since I rely on my pedals, I just use the cleans of the amp)
-Set the EQ at 12 o'clock, then timpla through cleans. Madalas, mas mataas yung highs ko ng konte kesa sa mids.
-Carefully increase my volume as needed.
 


While I agree sa ibang post, dito ako pina-agree.

Group effort parin kasi to IMO. Nasa pagbalanse parin ng banda yan para magkarinigin eh. Ang madalas kasi nagiging problema sa ganyan eh pag hindi mo marinig yung instrument mo, ang tendency mo eh lakasan yung volume mo. As you play along , (subconsciously) ganun din ang gagawin ng iba mong kabanda thus those sets on unpleasant volume levels.

Before hitting the stage, our band would at least talk about our volume control. Once naka-setup na kaming lahat, we would always have a 2-3 minute jam/souncheck just to figure out kung may sumasapaw ba o hindi. Kung sakto na o hindi. Kung malakas ba masyado o hindi. And more importantly, kung rinig parin ba yung boses o hindi.

We are an all-originals band so we mostly play sa mga prod or front sa ibang banda. I have seen a lot of bands na may promising songs written pero nacocompromise yung quality at feel pag tinugtog na because of unbalanced volume levels. I can't say that we always sound good. I admit na I may not have the greatest tone gaya ng iba dito. What I'm quite proud of though is that , we would generally have a balanced sound (though not all the time syempre). Sound na pwedeng pwede mo pa marinig kung ano yung kinakantang lyrics.

I think its a must kung nasa banda ka, while meron kang urge na marinig yung instrument mo, you should ALWAYS consider how you (the band) will sound as a whole.

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Well said sir. This is what we do now sa banda namin. We noticed kasi the professional bands sound as consistent as ever, and we noticed na they weren't as loud as all the bands na nakasabay namin before. so we tried decreasing our instruments' volume. and Wow, the effect was great. lalo na yung lead guitars namin, mas lumitaw yung notes niya and mas naramdaman yung dynamics ng playing niya kasi di na niya kailangang lakasan ng sobra yung pick attack niya and volume. in turn, producing great tone. :)
hahaha ako binibiyak ko muna yung wetpaks para makita kung may yellow thingy hahahaha

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Re: Live Situations: The Gig Matter of Cutting through the Mix with great Tone
« Reply #59 on: December 20, 2013, 02:07:33 PM »
i am also up for everyone turning down ... but its usually the drummer who has no volume control. most of the drummers you'd work with need a certain momentum so they can play the way they do.

you can argue that they are "not skilled" but well, drummers are rare, and if you have someone who can keep time, then you kinda just take into consideration the other skills they are lacking, like volume control.

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Re: Live Situations: The Gig Matter of Cutting through the Mix with great Tone
« Reply #60 on: December 20, 2013, 02:13:29 PM »
i am also up for everyone turning down ... but its usually the drummer who has no volume control. most of the drummers you'd work with need a certain momentum so they can play the way they do.

you can argue that they are "not skilled" but well, drummers are rare, and if you have someone who can keep time, then you kinda just take into consideration the other skills they are lacking, like volume control.


Bro IncX, guilty nanaman ako as a drummer hahaha! may mga techniques kasi na usually, mas madali siyang i execute if its behind POWER. and I think kasi dun lugi ang drummer eh. Ang gitarista at bahista, may volume control. ang drummer, wala. so kailangan talaga the drummer knows his dynamics, which unfortunately, usually mga veteran/maestro ang meron nito hahaha.
hahaha ako binibiyak ko muna yung wetpaks para makita kung may yellow thingy hahahaha

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« Reply #61 on: December 20, 2013, 02:35:55 PM »
I think the new kids are the ones excited to to blast their guitars and distortion pedals to kingdomcome..the drummer is loud the 2 guitars chucgging are loud..the bass is loud..the vox is screaming his lungs out..kaso di talaga kaya marining yung vox sa lakas ng ibang instruments..hanggang pagkatapos ng set..lakas ng ringing ng tenga and paos at sakit ng leeg kaka headbang..

as they mature and grow more older ,more conscious of their musical ouput..nagegets na nila yung "volume trick" ...its really amazing how lowering the volume and letting the vox stand out..or the lead guitar stand out..can improve yung overall pleasantness sa pagkinig ng banda..
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Re: Live Situations: The Gig Matter of Cutting through the Mix with great Tone
« Reply #62 on: December 21, 2013, 07:04:52 AM »
Ang tawag ko dyan is playing with feeling. Dapat may soft and loud parts. Soft pag may kumakanta. Louder strum kapag chorus. Soft strum, loud lead pag ad lib. Hindi kailangang the whole song angat ang instrumento mo. May parts din na mas maganda pag halos lunod ang vocals ng ibang instrumento. Feel the melody and the lyrics to know when to be soft or loud.

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Re: Live Situations: The Gig Matter of Cutting through the Mix with great Tone
« Reply #63 on: December 21, 2013, 04:23:43 PM »
kung live gigs kasi kadalasan you are at the mercy of the soundman. wag mo na problemahin yung bato/tapon ng house, yung stage sound mo na lang ang kalikutin mo. start with a nice base tone na malapit sa nakasanayan mong clean tone sa bahay para hindi masyado malaki ang diperensya gumamit ka man ng sound enhancement.

may I also suggest to be friendly with the soundman, else, you have bigger tone problems.
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Re: Live Situations: The Gig Matter of Cutting through the Mix with great Tone
« Reply #64 on: December 23, 2013, 11:05:25 AM »
If there are more than one guitarists in the group, ask all of them to set the guitar volume to max...say 9 or 10 on the volume knob...then adjust amp volume, tone, etc (kung pwede nga lang i-epoxy na yung amo settings) for volume and tone balance during the sound check.  I've noticed that  guitarists who usually set their guitar volume knob on 2-5 for sound checks will go to 8-10 during the actual set itself even if they are playing only a rythm role.

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Re: Live Situations: The Gig Matter of Cutting through the Mix with great Tone
« Reply #65 on: December 23, 2013, 12:14:35 PM »
Kamusta na TS? Andami mong natutunan ano? Information overload na ba?  :)

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