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Offline lolwat

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Guitar "Reklamo" - Noise Gate Pedals
« on: May 02, 2016, 09:13:31 PM »
Madami na akong naririnig o nababasa na player na nagsasabing "kailangan mo ng noise gate pedal para mawala ang noise ng distortion mo." Sa totoo lang, ang ginagawa ng noise gate ay itinatago ang noise kapag hindi ka tumutugtog - samakatuwid, meron pa ring noise ang signal mo, di mo lang naririnig.

"G@go, e di pareho lang yun! Basta hindi ko naririnig ang noise sa chain ko e solb na 'ko!" Hinding hindi. Eto ang pwedeng scenario: kung ginagamit mo ang noise gate para lang pagtakpan ang noise sa signal mo, at hindi mo inalam at inayos ang tunay na sanhi ng noise, darating ang panahon na makakaranas ka ng noise na malakas pa sa guitar signal mo, at kahit anung taas mo ng threshold knob sa noise gate pedal mo ay tatalunin pa rin ng hugong ang tunog ng gitara mo.

Mga pwedeng sanhi ng noise sa electric guitar signal chain:

1. Sirang amplifier (solusyon: ipaayos/ayusin kung marunong)

2. Pangit/sirang cables/patch cables (solusyon: gumawa/bumili ng mas magandang cable na maganda ang "shielding")

3. Single coil pickups (solusyon: palagyan ng "shielding" ang control cavities ng gitara para mabawasan, o kaya palitan ng noiseless single coil)

4. Malapit ang gitara sa transformer/tumatakbong makina/generator/computer (solusyon: lumayo)

5. Pangit na guitar pedal power supply (solusyon: subukan munang gumamit ng baterya para sa bawat pedal)

6. Pangit na wiring sa loob ng gitara (solusyon: ipaayos sa marunong gumawa ng wiring ng gitara)

7. Effect pedal na sira/hindi maganda ang design/natural na maingay (solusyon: ikumpara sa parehong pedal na alam mong hindi sira/ikumpara sa pedal na iba pero magkapareho ng function/tanggapin ang katotohanan)

8. Maling effect pedal chain order (solusyon: sundan ang generally recommended order ng effect pedals: i. envelope filter/wah, ii. compressor, iii. overdrive/distortion, iv. modulation [chorus, flanger, phaser], v. delay, vi. reverb. Tingnan kung may magbabago sa noise levels)

BONUS: Lumang tubo, kung tube amplifier ang gamit (solusyon: palitan)

Offline randymarsh

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Re: Guitar "Reklamo" - Noise Gate Pedals
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2016, 08:23:53 AM »
I don't see any problems using noise gate pedals. Maraming artist ang gumagamit ng noise gate as part of their basic tone (e.g. Yngwie, Nuno, Dimebag, etc ...). Kadalasan gamit nila eto after the boost pedal (guitar -> boost -> noise gate -> distortion)
nuno : n4 2.0 n4esa, n4vintage, n4 silver sparkle, n5, n6, n7, n8esa
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Re: Guitar "Reklamo" - Noise Gate Pedals
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2016, 09:31:12 AM »
I don't see any problems using noise gate pedals. Maraming artist ang gumagamit ng noise gate as part of their basic tone (e.g. Yngwie, Nuno, Dimebag, etc ...). Kadalasan gamit nila eto after the boost pedal (guitar -> boost -> noise gate -> distortion)


I think what the TS is pointing out is andaming guitarist na pag may noise ang chain nila ay derecho agad sa noisegate ang solusyon. walang isolation ng noise kung from cables, shielding, PSU. valid points I guess.
hahaha ako binibiyak ko muna yung wetpaks para makita kung may yellow thingy hahahaha

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Re: Guitar "Reklamo" - Noise Gate Pedals
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2016, 09:37:48 AM »

I think what the TS is pointing out is andaming guitarist na pag may noise ang chain nila ay derecho agad sa noisegate ang solusyon. walang isolation ng noise kung from cables, shielding, PSU. valid points I guess.

I agree with that too.

Slightly OT : Kaya personally wala akong masyadong interest pag dating sa guitar pedals. Chaining them just increases the points of failure in the system. Had many experience during a gig scenario na may magloloko nalang sa chain or bigla nalang iingay yung pedalboard dahil sa venue.
nuno : n4 2.0 n4esa, n4vintage, n4 silver sparkle, n5, n6, n7, n8esa
etc : yjm, axis, jp6, jpxi, jp12, jp13, lp 58 vos, lp 57 ri, lp standard, lp trad, am strat, am tele deluxe, jem7v, uv777, rg prestige, j custom, deluxe reverb, vai legacy, jcm900, axefx

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Re: Guitar "Reklamo" - Noise Gate Pedals
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2016, 09:39:42 AM »
I agree with that too.

Slightly OT : Kaya personally wala akong masyadong interest pag dating sa guitar pedals. Chaining them just increases the points of failure in the system. Had many experience during a gig scenario na may magloloko nalang sa chain or bigla nalang iingay yung pedalboard dahil sa venue.


masaya mag boy rekta pag hindi dependent sa modulation and delay... tulad ko huhuhuhuhu #epeksadik
hahaha ako binibiyak ko muna yung wetpaks para makita kung may yellow thingy hahahaha


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Re: Guitar "Reklamo" - Noise Gate Pedals
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2016, 12:18:55 PM »
Great post!  Well thought out and also highlights na tamad ang typical gitarista, trying to solve all these problems using a noise gate, when it should be a last resort.

Share ko lang, as in most cases as the TS highlighted, wiring is the culprit.  It's the fact that signal, shielding, and power, all share a common name for their return path.  Ground.  Send a signal, you need ground to complete the loop.  Shield a guitar/amp, you need to tie it together catch all the stray noise. To power something up, you need also a ground for it to complete the electrical circuit.

The problem is because they share a common "term" to describe the return paths, most people assume they could tie them all together and not have issues(or not too big of an issue).  But fact is they can all add up.  So it's best if you can to observe how each part of the signal chain is assembled, from your guitar wiring, pickups, pedals, cable, amp, and their individual components, transistors, tubes, and see if they practice making the distinctions.

Signal, shield, and power grounds should be ideally considered as three distinct streams, actually power should be considered sewer line, just to emphasize how bad it is for the three to mix if you want a pristine noise free signal.  These streams all eventually meet up in one river, but they should be collected properly.

I think most guys understand this in guitar wiring, but not know how bad it is in cheaper pedals, power supplies, and amplifier components.  All the more reason to appreciate guitar, pedal and amp gutshots!
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