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Offline compvr

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reverberation time
« on: September 12, 2007, 09:57:01 PM »
mga masters,

ano po ang desirable RT para sa isang band rehearsal/recording studio?

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Re: reverberation time
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2007, 02:10:17 PM »
mga masters,

ano po ang desirable RT para sa isang band rehearsal/recording studio?

thanks

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Natural reverb ba kamo?  This is determined by the size, dimensions, material, and dampening of what you have inside the studio.

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Re: reverberation time
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2007, 07:28:33 PM »
.35 seconds for control room, a little bit higher for the studio or practice booth. A .45 would be nice, but if you can do variable acoustics, the better.

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Re: reverberation time
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2007, 07:49:49 PM »
thank you sirs, eto kasi yung plan ko na room size, 19'x10.5'x9' ,4 walls are going to be concrete, ceiling niya marine plywood lang, or pwede gypsum? construction will start next week hopefully.

anyway, ang ginawa ko sa computation concrete lahat para mas simple, pero 1.9ms ang nakuha kong RT, or mali computation ko? heheh pag lalagyan ba ng drapes, reflectors at furnitures at siempre yung mga instruments at amps malaki ba ang mababawas sa RT? aabot na kaya ng less than 1?

ano din kaya magandang gawin sa ceiling?

BTW overpriced ata ang gypsum dito sa Bulacan. 12mm 6'x8' = P450

maraming salamat po.



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Re: reverberation time
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2007, 01:23:19 AM »
thank you sirs, eto kasi yung plan ko na room size, 19'x10.5'x9' ,4 walls are going to be concrete, ceiling niya marine plywood lang, or pwede gypsum? construction will start next week hopefully.

anyway, ang ginawa ko sa computation concrete lahat para mas simple, pero 1.9ms ang nakuha kong RT, or mali computation ko? heheh pag lalagyan ba ng drapes, reflectors at furnitures at siempre yung mga instruments at amps malaki ba ang mababawas sa RT? aabot na kaya ng less than 1?
ano din kaya magandang gawin sa ceiling?

BTW overpriced ata ang gypsum dito sa Bulacan. 12mm 6'x8' = P450


Yep, concrete all around, then gypsum ceiling and cement floor will give you about 1.9 seconds.  Parang simbahan, plus the room will be more towards mids a lots of lows.  Maliit ang kuwarto mo.

If you intend to place drapes, drape mo all the walls with rods so you can adjust the reverb time.  Almost like a variable acoustic system.  Use medium to heavy drapes.  Your instruments and sofa will not affect the RT60 much.  You need 25% of the total surface area treated or affected to see (hear?) a marked difference.

For the ceiling, put reflectors or diffusers of varying heights.  This one is a little tricky.  You have to know hoe to design these.  Poly cylindrical diffusers are easy to make; or you can possibly construct triangular diffusers and place them all around.  Search the net.

For the floor, put area rugs.  The thicker, the better.  Place one where the drums will be.  Put one also underneath the area where the singers will stand.

Howe about your air con?  Window type?

How about your sound proofing?  Are your neighbors far from you?  Your cement (CHB) ands gypsum board ceiling will not be enough to stop the sound from coming out.  Better put 2pcs. 1/2" gypsum as ceiling.  Do not punch holes, i. e., pin lights in it.  Better to use track lights for lighting.

Do not put the drums in a corner.  You'll add extra dBs in the sound.  Place it in the center of one wall of the room where the low frequency is almost null.  Same with your bass amp.  Never put any amplification in the corners of the room; except players or personnel.  Good place to put the keyboards but put the amps away from the trihedral area (corner).  Put the monitor speakers underneath the  mics to avoid feedback.  That is the null point of the mic so you prevent it from    picking up sound coming the monitors.

So, 'yun.  I'll send you my professional fee billing later.  Hindi, biro lang.

Good luck in your project. 
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Re: reverberation time
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2007, 03:46:41 AM »
Hi, Mike. Sorry to hijack the thread, but it seemed like a good place to ask a dumb question only a foreigner like me would ask, and you probably know the answer.

My studio will most likely have a metal roof, and I am concerned about the sound of rain hitting the roof, even with lots of insulation between it and the ceiling. I've noticed that traditional thatched roofs really soften the sound of rain and it got me thinking that maybe I could install a nipa roof over the metal roof for that purpose. Is this just a goofy idea, or what?


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Re: reverberation time
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2007, 06:20:24 PM »
sir mike maraming salamat, nope hindi sound proof gagawin ko, window type kasi aircon eh, cant afford yung split types, ma minimize lang yung sound coming in/out, hindi na nga lang siguro pwede mag recording, along the higway kasi  (macarthur). malayo ang neighbors sir kaya walang problem.

nice tips sir tungkol sa placement ng equipments, about sa diffusers kelangan pa mag research, tsaka i-add ko na lang yun if business goes well.

wag kayo magsasawa tumulong sir, Godbless

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Re: reverberation time
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2007, 09:50:15 PM »
My studio will most likely have a metal roof, and I am concerned about the sound of rain hitting the roof, even with lots of insulation between it and the ceiling. I've noticed that traditional thatched roofs really soften the sound of rain and it got me thinking that maybe I could install a nipa roof over the metal roof for that purpose. Is this just a goofy idea, or what?

Sure, a nipa roof could possibly soften the sound of rain, but that depends on the design architecture of your building.  It will funny to have nipa roof on a totally concrete structure, but again, that is you.  Yes, the way to do it is to layer that on top of your regular metal roof.  That way you are protected by possible leaks.  However, the better way of doing soundproofing is to add another drop ceiling - possibly double gypsum, as sub ceiling, then a triple ceiling (final).  Insulation galore, at least 100 mm 16 kgm glass fiber batts in between the various ceilings, and you're totally "rain sound proofed."  Done that on a lot of my projects and they work well, especially if the final ceiling is decoupled (isolated by acoustical hangers).

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Re: reverberation time
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2007, 10:52:16 PM »
Thanks, Mike. Yes, the building will be constructed from the ground up as a recording studio, with a decoupled floating slab, sound locks, no windows, integrated bass traps, the works.

I'm just afraid that when the rain really gets going like it can in the P.I., there might be some leakage (sound, not water) from the metal roof, which tends to amplify sound. If you've ever been under a metal roof and had a coconut fall onto the roof, everyone jumps because it's like an explosion. (I know, falling coconuts aren't exactly a big problem for you urban types, but out in my neck of the woods it's a common occurrence.)

Mainly, I just think the nipa roof looks cool. I was concerned that I'd suggest it to my contractor and he'd tell me I was nuts, it can't be done!