Ethics question: Ownership vs. Generosity

[sigjoys]

responsibility... IMO, one should everyone should bring in a spare unless of course you're confident enough nothing will happen bad. every musician should know (at least) what he might need prior to the actual show/gig. yun lang.

[r/min]

  ito mtindi, hinihiram sa inyo axe nyo nung kaalternate kc ang ktwiran kc mas ok ung tunog ng gear nyo..san kapa??nd ung tanungin k ng 'pre me distortion k b jan thinkin" na acoustic ung grupo nyo..hehe,,pero bgo lumayo mejo mhirap nga un kc bka mangyari sau un,nd alam mo naman ung responsibility na dpat me spare kng strings nd 9v batt etc...kso ang matindi galing ka sa krisis and ang breads mo lng e pamasahe papuntang gig tpos nputulan ka or naubusan batt mo ung ang mtindi...u,ll just pray na ung ka buddy mo gtarista  frm ur friendship bands will show up unexpectedly..and after ng gig bilang saviour mo,,xempwe a few bottles of beers ang kpalit haha watcha think guys??NO fera tyms,, comes??pero ako ayoko n maulit un sakit sa brains!!!

[Chito]

For me, someone who is going to an audition should be prepared for anything. A backup guitar, extra strings. etc. If I know the person, sure I'll lend my guitar but otherwise, "too bad, so sad". Have you ever had your guitar borrowed by someone who sweats like crazy?

[bloodshedd]

there was this one time somenone borrowed my v-twin, i lend him out of consideration na lang... yung gitara ko pag kelangan tlaga pnapahiram ko din... pero pag sakin nangyari like there was this one time sa big sky nputulan ako ng 1st string... (w/c i never expect kc gauge 11 ako mag strings) and someone was offering to lend me his guitar... i did not accept. i finished the set with 5 strings. Why? because i know after us sila na e... and kung mputol ko yung strings nya hassle yun dba...

..Same thing here... dyahe kung mapuputol ko yung strings ng iba...

For me,I always let others borrow my guitar...cables , effects and whatnot...
Hindi dahil sa sobrang bait ko kundi sa fact na 9-10 years akong nanghihiram ng gitara (2004 nako nagka-electric guitar)... Parang ayoko lang ng bad karma...
Pero kung me gig man ako dati eh nanghihiram ako sa kakilala ko beforehand and not during the gig.

Ngayon sa band namin eh me dala kaming extra strings, cables, picks at 1 guitar... It doesnt hurt to be prepared!

***Thanks nga pala sa mga taong nagpahiram sakin ng gear nila through the years!!! hehehe!!

[maxi_musikero]

thanks for sharing the experiences guys!   

[cool2ny]

scenario:
you had a gig that night.  tapos in between sets nyo, may nag-audition.  into the middle of their audition, naputulan ng string ung gitarista.  tapos, using the PA system, he asked if pwede nya mahiram ung gitara mo.  ito ang options:

OWNERSHIP:
since your guitar is your own, hindi mo ipapahiram.  considering na naputol nya ung string nya, and may set ka pa after ng audition nila, may possibility na maputol din nya string mo. 

GENEROSITY:
in the spirit of music, and kung gs2 mo rin sila tulungan sa audition, ipapahiram mo ung gitara mo.  aksidente lang naman na naputulan sya ng string eh. 

what do you people think??!!   

depende...   

sa tugtugan nila 

saka sa kung pano sya tumugtog... diba sa scenario, naputulan sya ng string sa gitna ng set nila... so ibig sabihin nakatugtog na sila at least isang song... kung ok naman sya mag gitara, meaning hindi balahura, naputol string kasi luma na talaga strings nya... siguro oo, papahiram ako.

[greenweenie]

personally, i won't lend him. swapang na kung swapang. i love my guitar. eh what if ang bigat niya pala magpick and ako rin maputulan? pano naman ako? pasensya nalang? no way.

[voidmain]

For me, depende e. Kung yung gamit na dala ko relic-able, at kung hindi naman masyadong malakas umatake ng strings yung guitarista, at kung kilala ko siya, pwede pa. Kung yung dala ko naman e yung inaalalagaan ko, heck no... hindi naman sa pagdadamot, kaso kung dala mo e mint condition na non-reissue '52 Fender Tele na ni-regalo pa sa iyo ng gitarista mong lolo, papa-gamit mo ba kahit kanino? Pwede pa kung dala mo yung Rockstar na Plywood-body and Palo china-neck Strat na halos ibigay sa iyo ng kaibigan mo kasi pampasikip lang daw sa bahay.

[Allan_Reamillo]

Di ako magpapahiram. I have this bad experience na yung pinahiram ko na guitar nagkaroon ng malaking dent kasi naibagsak ng gumagamit yung guitar ko. Buti na lang it's not one of my nice guitars.

[dullFingers]

considering na audition or kahit sa gigs dapat fully prepared ung banda. hindi talaga ako nagpapahiram ng gear.. unless close kami ng hihiram sakin and alam ko na maalaga din sya sa gamit. ok lang sakin kung accidentally na-scratch ko ung guitar ko.. masakit kung iba ung gumamit tapos ssabihin lang sau "pasesnsya na brad nagasgas ko gitara mo" sabay tapik sa balikat at alis.. hehe

[bahaw]

ako papahiram ko un backup guitar ko, hehe kahit cno pa sya,
pero pag di ko type un tugtugan nila, di ko papahiram kahit anu, hehe

prang kakahiya nmn mag announce sa PA na manghihiram ka ng gitara, hehe, ethics!

I had one experience sa Al's bar, naputulan ako, e sakto wala ako dalang backup guitar, may nagpahiram pero tinanggihan ko ksi kakahiya e, gigil ako mag attack sa strings, pati kung mag strumm ako un buoung braso gamit ko, hehe, baka mascratch ko pa un guitar nya. Kaya nag palit na lang ako ng strings, I always make sure may baon akong 1 set.

nag thank you na lang ako sa nagpahiram through the PA.

Another experience way back in 90's, naputulan ako on the 2nd to the last song.  Tigil na kami tugtog, ksi ayaw ko manghiram, hehe

I think as a player (pro or non-pro, guitarist, drummer or bassist), auditioning or not, on the stage or practice lang, its your responsibility to make sure you will keep on rolling.  Sabi nga, ang boy scout laging handa - bring a backup guitar, picks, strings, cables including patch cable, etc.

[maxi_musikero]

prang kakahiya nmn mag announce sa PA na manghihiram ka ng gitara, hehe, ethics!

+1 pare 

[bendedbeam]

Considering the story of the thread starter, I'd say you didn't do anything wrong when you declined. He's simply not responsible enough. Because he didn't anticipate possible mishaps along the way, in fact the issue recurred when he asked for the battery. Everything that's within your control is your responsibility including things that are unexpected, a broken string is very common as well as a dead pick-up battery. You don't have to do a lot of thinking to come up with an idea to at least bring a #0, #1, Or #2 mariposa string and an extra eveready 9V batt in your gig bag

Conversely, you shouldn't feel bad about the other guy not lending his/her axe, [gooey brown stuff] happens it's just that you didn't prepare for it. I'm not even a pro, but whenever we have performances within the company or a friends birthday I'd make sure I'm not gonna be a show stopper. I may not be a pro guitarist but I have a pro attitude

[r/min]

  i2 pa mtindi<buti n lng di ko na experience,witness lng...battle of d bands,kasali cla.. walang dalang gamit tpos manla2gay sa stage,,at mnanalo pa san ka pa!!!kawawa naman ung mga nagphiram...bwahaha, ROCKSTAR kng ROCKSTAR!!maubus n sana lahi nila

[eders19]

i'll only lend my guitar to someone i know and trust. bahala sya kung magalit sya sa akin.

[reed]

i'll only lend my guitar to someone i know and trust.

+ 1 sakin

but in the spirit of genorosity nga, i always bring a backup guitar. kung sakaling may humiram sakin, i think willing naman ako pahiram yung gio ko.

[maxi_musikero]

Considering the story of the thread starter, I'd say you didn't do anything wrong when you declined. He's simply not responsible enough. Because he didn't anticipate possible mishaps along the way, in fact the issue recurred when he asked for the battery. Everything that's within your control is your responsibility including things that are unexpected, a broken string is very common as well as a dead pick-up battery. You don't have to do a lot of thinking to come up with an idea to at least bring a #0, #1, Or #2 mariposa string and an extra eveready 9V batt in your gig bag

Conversely, you shouldn't feel bad about the other guy not lending his/her axe, [gooey brown stuff] happens it's just that you didn't prepare for it. I'm not even a pro, but whenever we have performances within the company or a friends birthday I'd make sure I'm not gonna be a show stopper. I may not be a pro guitarist but I have a pro attitude

+1