Tips on panning?

[progressive_pilipinas]

can i have tips on panning?

before, when i recorded my songs and not distribute the sound to both speakers i didnt realized it sounded too garbled until one of my classmates that wasnt into music said she didnt understand the lyrics.

then a friend told me na i should "pan" the tracks. So ayun, kinapa ko. It sounded different, my songs are clearer now, not professional clear though, pero mahirap kasi nangangapa ako. I only use my ears and i know it is a good thing pero itd be better if there is really a standard that i can follow first. Is there any? advice? tips on panning? thanks guys.

OT:

Ano yung mono interleave? there is this button below the track when you select to see the entirety of track properties, na pag- kinclick mo eh nagiging mono at stereo... for some reason, i always click it to mono dahil i feel i get to pan better? errr... is there something wrong with what im doing?

i would appreciate any help guys! thank you! 

[ailes]

panning usually depends on what instruments are used and song arrangement...

when i'm mixing orchestra recordings, i panned instruments on the standard positions on stage...

on bands, drums panned facing the listener.. guitars either a bit of left or right, bass guitar center..

[LouieAzcona]

siguro kung meron mang accepted method sa panning,,, yun ay gayahin mo ung setup ng mga equipments sa live performance,,, kunwari nanonood ka ng concert... nasan ung guitars, nasan ung crash, nasan ung ride. pero dapat center lang ang kick bass at lead vocals. sa bandang huli, depende parin sa taste mo eh... kung ano maganda tunog para sayo, yun ang tama. as long as balance parin ung left and right, hindi side-heavy.

[KitC]

Ano yung mono interleave? there is this button below the track when you select to see the entirety of track properties, na pag- kinclick mo eh nagiging mono at stereo... for some reason, i always click it to mono dahil i feel i get to pan better? errr... is there something wrong with what im doing?

First of all, if you are recording a mono source, you should record to a mono track. Vocals, bass, individual drums (kick, snare, toms, hat) are usually recorded to mono tracks then panned according to the 'stage' you want to set; drum overheads are usually in stereo. Normally, you don't pan stereo tracks since they are already... stereo. There are times when you want to collapse stereo tracks especially if you want to control their 'width' - this can be achieved with a little M-S magic.

Pads are normally stereo, organs with leslie effect are often stereo, pianos and acoustic guitars sometimes sound better in stereo, but you still have to control where they lie within the stereo soundstage.

I see you are using Sonar, but most software allow you to define whether a track is stereo or mono even before you begin recording. When in doubt, record individual instruments in mono so you can have more accurate control over their panning.

[bloodshedd]

When in doubt, record individual instruments in mono so you can have more accurate control over their panning.

Yup... Plus although there are basics... like the kick and snare should panned center, be sure to experiment a bit during mixing... you never know what stuff you may come up with.

These sites might help you out...

http://www.tweakheadz.com/pan_control.htm
http://www.tweakheadz.com/perfect_mix.html
http://www.tweakheadz.com/

Rak!!!

[progressive_pilipinas]

First of all, if you are recording a mono source, you should record to a mono track. Vocals, bass, individual drums (kick, snare, toms, hat) are usually recorded to mono tracks then panned according to the 'stage' you want to set; drum overheads are usually in stereo. Normally, you don't pan stereo tracks since they are already... stereo. There are times when you want to collapse stereo tracks especially if you want to control their 'width' - this can be achieved with a little M-S magic.

Pads are normally stereo, organs with leslie effect are often stereo, pianos and acoustic guitars sometimes sound better in stereo, but you still have to control where they lie within the stereo soundstage.

I see you are using Sonar, but most software allow you to define whether a track is stereo or mono even before you begin recording. When in doubt, record individual instruments in mono so you can have more accurate control over their panning.

@ kitC
i see.. i get it , and oo nga ano? i dont need to pan stereo tracks.. and yes i record in mono... that was big help. thanks.

@bloodshed
ive yet to learn how to pan that ezdrummer i have. hehethanks for the info and links!

@ailes, LouieAzcona
i see, ive thought of that, but ive never really been observant of how these things are set up, i didnt even know that basses are better panned in the center.

thanks. thanks. I really appreciate it all the responses. Good day!

[mikep]

Yup... Plus although there are basics... like the kick and snare should panned center, be sure to experiment a bit during mixing... you never know what stuff you may come up with.

You can put the kick and vocal dead center or pan them a little bit.  That way you give them space. i. e., vocal a bit off center, to the left; bass, dead center; kick a little off to the right.  There are no set rules regarding panning.  It just depends on how you perceive where the instruments are suppose to be placed.  For me, I always make sure the instruments have a particular place or space in the panorama so they stand out and are not mudded out.

FWIW

[progressive_pilipinas]

thanks.

i find the sonitus sorround(the none that came with sonar7..) very helpful to me. hehehe. i made remember one that i made...

its hissy, noisy and grounded, hehe.. would you review it? thanks.

Daisies and Lilies

original version:

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=6597153

cross version(i did some experiment and put the reversed track of the song in the background and added a reversed subliminal message. )

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=6600924

i tried to pan in like how our choir conductor placed us in live performance.

[KitC]

The center vocal is somewhat buried in the mix making it hard to discern the lyrics. I'd raise it a few db to make it stand out.

[progressive_pilipinas]

The center vocal is somewhat buried in the mix making it hard to discern the lyrics. I'd raise it a few db to make it stand out.

hmm.. ok ok. i guess boosting it will do. thanks for the comment. 

[superwup]

If it was my mix i would take out some bass, add some mid and make the leadvocals higher/ or lower the choir.
Also you could try an "de esser" for the vocals, i can hear a lot of ssss.... 

[progressive_pilipinas]

If it was my mix i would take out some bass, add some mid and make the leadvocals higher/ or lower the choir.
Also you could try an "de esser" for the vocals, i can hear a lot of ssss.... 

uhhh.. thanks. hey would you give me any links where i can get a "de esser?" everything was made out of cheapo equipment.. plus theres the zzzzz thing from the wire pa.. haha. 

...and should i add mids to the entire mix? or should i do it on every track? sorry noob.

[KitC]

Try enrolling at this free online audio course: http://bamaudioschool.com/

That way, you will get a clearer idea on how to approach mixing.

[superwup]

You could try this link:


http://making-music.blogspot.com/2007/11/filter-antress-modern-plugins-modern-de.html

Maybe  you can use it.............

[VinceP]

Try enrolling at this free online audio course: http://bamaudioschool.com/

That way, you will get a clearer idea on how to approach mixing.

Very nice link Kit.  The guy pretty much thought of everything from the technical side of things to the sometimes overlooked and just as important business aspects of recording. 

[progressive_pilipinas]

@kitC, superwup:

thank you for the links.. 

[progressive_pilipinas]

i found this plug in just right now.. ehehe

http://www.digitalfishphones.com/main.php?item=2&subItem=5