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Offline TaStY-zNaX

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« on: January 02, 2006, 02:59:24 PM »
mga bro, ask ko lang...
anoh ba maganda sa bass drum tuning?
yung bubutusan ko yung bass drum ko sa harap o yung hindi?
di ba papanget yung tune ng bass drum ko kapag binutasan ko sa harap para may pang mic in ako, minsan kapag kalangan lagyan!
anoh ba mas maganda?
di kaya papanget yung tune ng bass drum ko kapag binutasa ko yung harap na sinlaki ng platito?

tnx!!!
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Offline fredzs

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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2006, 05:49:10 PM »
mas magiging punchy ung bass drum.. lesser boom, mas focused ung sound..

usually ang mga butas nasa 5-7 inches in diameter..

about sa tuning, I use a Pinstripe Batter, w/ Remo Muff'ls tuned just past wrinkle stage.. tapos ung front head ko, medium tuning..

punchy na punchy yung dating.. imo, sakto sya pang metal music.. dead talaga yung sound.. which is the sound im looking for in a bass drum. hehe.. i dont like the cannon sounding kasi pag double peds na 16th notes.. masyadong garbled yung sound IMO...  :)

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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2006, 03:36:19 AM »
ako hindi nagbubutas kasi maapektuhan yun tone.  sayang eh, originally kaya may butas ang balat dahil sa miking.

Simon Phillips does internal miking.  Even Buddy Rich once said, "what's wrong with bass drumheads today?  they've got 'em holes..."
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« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2006, 04:19:10 AM »
well, depende naman sa tugtugan e.. if u play rock/metal ..  or even alternative rock.. u wouldnt need that open/resonant boomy kick ? you would need punch and power.. well, i mic my drums kasi..

but its another thing if u play jazz.. Joe Morello on Take Five.. lovely song. Imo, thats the ideal jazz drumsound....

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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2006, 12:47:38 PM »
YUP...TAMA!!! KASI USUALLY NAINVENT YANG PAGBUTAS NG HEADS DAHIL MAS EASIER YUNG PAG INSTALL NG MIC... YUNG TONE NYA MABABAGO TALAGA KASI LABAS HANGIN AND MAGDEDEPENDA NA YUNG TUNOG SA NAGCOCONTROL NG MIC... YUP! SIMMON PHIL... WALANG HOLE DRUMS NYA KASI MAS NASA LOOB YUNG IKOT NG AIR AND IT SOUNDS BOU AND CIRCULATING!! KAHIT ANO PA TUGTUGAN OK DIN YUNG OLD SKUL STYLE NA WALANG HOLE... PERO SYEMPRE KANYA KNAYA NG TIMPLA DBA!! TNX PO!


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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2006, 06:43:58 PM »
hi mga master drummers,
i have my old fernando drumset(not that old naman) sinimulan kong i restore since uso ulit ang bands ngayon and gusto ko ulit tumugtog.
i started with the heads. i bought the protone (pearl) double layer heads yun parang remo pinstripe pero mas cheaper sya. dun lang kasi kasya budget ko as of now  :?  puro batter side lang ang pinalitan ko from the toms to the bass drum. sa snare naman i used the coated one like the ambassador of remo. and for the resonant or resonance side i still used the old single layer fernando heads.now my next step is how to make it sound very nice (tuning).sa mga toms, kelangan bang mas banat ang bottom side?i tried tuning it pero di ko marinig yun deep sound na gusto kong marinig na narinig ko sa pearl drumset using that heads too.sa bass drum naman parang kulang sa boom.i tried putting this fiber sheet, yun white.
Help naman mga master para hindi naman masayang bili ko sa mga heads ko.i'm planning also to buy this mute thing, yun round na clear plastic na pinapatong sa mga top heads. need your suggestion. thanks po.
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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2006, 03:21:59 PM »
hello,

I suggest to get the most out of the drums is to replace also the bottom heads kse kung medyo luma na yan medyo mas makunat na at hindi na maganda yun magiging resonance. If ever you'll be replacing the bottom heads, I suggest you get a drumhead that is thinner than the batter side or the top heads. Usually remo ambassadors are best. May batter side at may bottom side ito. Yun nga lang medyo may kamahalan.

The problem with fernando drums kse is their shell lalo na yun mga old models. Medyo pag naluluma yun woodshell nababawasan yun tone. So to get the most sound specially sa toms is to buy heads that are single ply. Pag double ply kse tulad ng remo pinstripe, mas controlled or muffled yun sound so nababawasan yun tone.

Cguro personal taste mo na yun sound. Suggestion lang naman yun sa akin based on experience.

Mahirap kse i tune yun drums pag ndi maayos yun heads.

Sa pag tune sa toms experiment ka lang muna. Tune the top and bottom equally. Tapos kung gusto mo ng medyo bouncy yun heads tune the top slightly tighter than the bottom. Adjust the resonance by tuning the bottom heads. Again personal preference mo yun sound and depende rin sa playing style mo.

Sa bassdrum to get the most tone out of it is to use a front head that has no hole. Yun may hole kse is more controlled or muffled kse tapos di ba lalagyan pa ng pillow or blanket.

Kung bahay lang naman or praktisan ok na yun simple set-up. Depende rin sa budget lalo na sa mahal ng drumgears ngayon.

Sana medyo nakatulong ako. Peace

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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2006, 07:16:02 PM »
thanks man. try ko palitan yun mga bottom heads. what will happen if i paint or spray the inner part of the shell ng toms with a clear laquer, yun clear na pylox pang topcoat or clear varnish? where do u live man? are you also from makati?

salamat na marami.
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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2006, 01:29:30 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2006, 02:12:55 PM »
actually i read different style ng pag tune na pero most of them applicable sa mga branded na drumset. i'm talking about fernando here. it's a case to case basis. sinunod ko yun nabasa ko pero still hindi ko napalabas yun sound na gusto ko that's why i'm asking for your suggestions maybe may alam kayo na maremedyohan fernando kit or based on your actual experience. medyo mahal kasi new drumset ngayon kaya i'm tryin na ayusin to anyway pangbahay lang naman at pang practise lang. pero syempre gusto ko din maging ok sound.  :)

thanks for the suggestions man.
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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2006, 02:49:56 PM »
branded or hindi branded pwede pa ring maging maganda ang tunog. ako nga pare, i spend 3 hours of tuning sa isang snare ko lng. ganun talaga it doenst matter kung ano pa tatak nyan,just follow the instruction. find the "sweet spot" ng tinotono mo. :wink: gudluck

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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2006, 03:22:39 PM »
Quote from: bolshoi
actually i read different style ng pag tune na pero most of them applicable sa mga branded na drumset. i'm talking about fernando here. it's a case to case basis. sinunod ko yun nabasa ko pero still hindi ko napalabas yun sound na gusto ko that's why i'm asking for your suggestions maybe may alam kayo na maremedyohan fernando kit or based on your actual experience. medyo mahal kasi new drumset ngayon kaya i'm tryin na ayusin to anyway pangbahay lang naman at pang practise lang. pero syempre gusto ko din maging ok sound.  :)

thanks for the suggestions man.


maybe yung hanap mong tunog e hindi talaga kaya nung drumhead. you cant expect double plies/pinstripes to have highs while single ply heads like ambassadors wont give you much oomph.

i have encountered some drums that cant be tuned properly no matter what (like my 16" maya tom). the only solution is to recut the bearing edges.

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« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2006, 03:47:51 PM »
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Quote from: bolshoi
actually i read different style ng pag tune na pero most of them applicable sa mga branded na drumset. i'm talking about fernando here. it's a case to case basis. sinunod ko yun nabasa ko pero still hindi ko napalabas yun sound na gusto ko that's why i'm asking for your suggestions maybe may alam kayo na maremedyohan fernando kit or based on your actual experience. medyo mahal kasi new drumset ngayon kaya i'm tryin na ayusin to anyway pangbahay lang naman at pang practise lang. pero syempre gusto ko din maging ok sound.  :)

thanks for the suggestions man.


maybe yung hanap mong tunog e hindi talaga kaya nung drumhead. you cant expect double plies/pinstripes to have highs while single ply heads like ambassadors wont give you much oomph.

i have encountered some drums that cant be tuned properly no matter what (like my 16" maya tom). the only solution is to recut the bearing edges.


true,kapag di pantay bearing egde mo,u cant seat the heads properly kaya hindi mo matono ng mabuti. in general, bili ka na ng malupit na gears kesa sa pang 'praktis lng' kc ung pang praktis lng hindi makakataga l sa long run ng pag dra-drums.

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« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2006, 09:17:21 PM »
Ok lahat ng mga suggestions sa thread na ito. Let's face it, ndi ganun kaganda ang quality ng drums ng Fernando lalo na yun old models. Kaya nga entry level lang sila eh. Supposedly yun ang type of drums for beginning drummers and as drummers progress so does their taste for better sounding drums.

To be practical try mo bumili ng earmuff. Yun ginagamit sa construction. A lot of drummers including myself use earmuffs for protection at it also enhances the bottom end or low frequencies. Lumalalim at nagakakaroon ng body yun tunog ng drums. Minsan kse sa mga gigs makakaencounter ka ng ndi maganda na drums. Kaya most drummers use the earmuffs para gumaganda ng konti yun sound and protection na rin. Try mo bro.

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« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2006, 09:29:26 PM »
Quote from: fortheloveofit
Ok lahat ng mga suggestions sa thread na ito. Let's face it, ndi ganun kaganda ang quality ng drums ng Fernando lalo na yun old models. Kaya nga entry level lang sila eh. Supposedly yun ang type of drums for beginning drummers and as drummers progress so does their taste for better sounding drums.

To be practical try mo bumili ng earmuff. Yun ginagamit sa construction. A lot of drummers including myself use earmuffs for protection at it also enhances the bottom end or low frequencies. Lumalalim at nagakakaroon ng body yun tunog ng drums. Minsan kse sa mga gigs makakaencounter ka ng ndi maganda na drums. Kaya most drummers use the earmuffs para gumaganda ng konti yun sound and protection na rin. Try mo bro.

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i dont recomend it but its just me.just me ok.
pwede ka rin gumamit ng earmuffs pero sa experience ko
magiging numb ung pandinig mo tapos kapag tinanggal mo na maninibago ka sa tunog ng drums mo. magiging "more metallic"
tsaka sau, ikaw lng makakarinig nun. kung pwede lng pag live na,pati mga audience mag suot ng earmuffs.learn to tune na lng talaga :wink: gudluck

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« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2006, 04:32:44 PM »
thanks peeves eni and fortheloveofit

maybe i should try to re-cut the bearing edge ng 1 tom muna.
where should i bring it for re-cutting?

thanks for your replies. i'm thinking of buying another kit pero try ko muna iayos to bka kaya pa. san ba location mo? try ko dalin sa place mo para makita mo yun sinasabi ko actual.

salamat po
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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2006, 05:43:18 PM »
bring it to me. taga makati ako busy ako sa work ngayon e set na lang for next week.

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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2006, 06:49:02 PM »
thanks peeves,

pm mo nalang saken contact # and location.

anybody here care for a jam every weekends sa place namen.
roofdeck tayo (4th flr) overlooking market market. bring your guitar and cymbals nalang ha. :lol:   sa drinks en pulutan, madali na yun.
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« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2006, 09:22:37 PM »
uyyy ayos yan. tamang tama malapit lang ako

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« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2006, 12:02:11 AM »
How do you guys tune your resonant heads? What does it do to the sound?
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« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2006, 12:11:42 AM »
you can tune the resonant heads according to your preference or what sound you like... can be tuned a little lower than the batter...

this may help ---> http://www.pearldrum.com/2002_techspeak/tuning.asp

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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2006, 01:01:31 PM »
I used to tune my resos higher than my batters, so it would make that "tooowmmb" sound.  But I had problems doing doubles because the batter head seemed to vibrate in an uneven way. I think it's my choice of pitches, but I wasn't one to really think about it deeply.  

Now I tune my toms' batter and reso heads at the same pitch.  It sustains better and for some reason my sticks play better. I guess it's the match in frequency... the heads now vibrate more predictably.

Haven't tried the resos to be lower-pitched, although ^^^legnacilyz' link says it's a deeper sound.  Although I don't imagine a pitch drop happening... the reso head supposedly sounds out first when you hit a drum (thus a pitch "drop" when you tune the reso higher than the batter). I'd imagine a pitch "rise" instead, which I'm really not comfortable with.

Anyways... it's always fun to experiment... if you have the time (sigh  :cry: )
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« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2006, 01:57:37 PM »
pitch.

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« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2006, 01:26:56 AM »
ako mas lower yung resonance ko  :D
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« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2006, 01:23:17 PM »
can anyone pls explain what this means or how to achieve this? im reading the tuning bible and i came across this and im dumbfounded on what it means. im trying to tune my drums to reduce the sympathetic buzz from the snare when i hit my low tom... and thinking tuning the drums a 5th from each other would give them a interval in sound. thanks all!
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