Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread

[Ralph_Petrucci]

Sige sir. Balitaan ko kayo sa tunog pag nakapag palit na ko mounts. Masyado mahal ang snare stand at hindi ako sanay sa pwesto pag snare stand. HAHAHAHA!! 

maraming salamat sir raLpH_pEtRucCi. 

pag wala parin, eb na tayo sainyo HAHAHAHAH

[jviado]

pag wala parin, eb na tayo sainyo HAHAHAHAH

Hahahaha!! Pwede! Pero mukhang mas okay ata sainyo para may BP 13x6.5 na Walnut. 

[sonicassault]

nako, palit na ng mounts. or mount mo via snare stand. i prefer mounting via snare stand hahahaha

parang may nabasa ako sa drummerworld forums na tonekill daw yung sa snare stand mo i-mount? totoo ba yun? eh ang lakas ng ang snare eh 

[Ralph_Petrucci]

parang may nabasa ako sa drummerworld forums na tonekill daw yung sa snare stand mo i-mount? totoo ba yun? eh ang lakas ng ang snare eh 

pwede naman may tennis balls eh. =))

[sonicassault]

pwede naman may tennis balls eh. =))

ano yun?? ngayon ko lang narinig yung tennis balls! alam ko lang dyan yugn ibabato mo sa dryer para fluffy ang clothes mo 

[sonicassault]

Okay, so I decided to check my toms again tonight. Tuned it up evenly on the rack,
and yeah it sound boxy and dead. Lo and behold when I took it off the tom mount, it started
singing. 
I tried setting it up on my snare stand, and yes, it still sings! Tama ka Ralph, ang laking factor
ng mount!

I guess I can never really solve that problem, as suspension mounts are out of the question.
I'll double check this weekend if I still have issues when using a reso head; I have them off
right now, concert tom style.

[harugrugrug]

Try mo yung mount ng tom ng Gibraltar,maganda yun humawak ng toms.

[sonicassault]

Try mo yung mount ng tom ng Gibraltar,maganda yun humawak ng toms.

I should look into that! Nakapagbasa din ako sa ibang forums na may resonance issues din ang Yamaha YESS mounts
tulad ng sakin. Apparently pag umabot ka na sa gitna ng mounting rod nya bigla mamamatay yug resonance ng drum.
for some of the forumers anyway. I'll try locking my toms to the edge of the mounting rod and see if that helps.

I'm still very much open to replacing the mounts though, I hate those YESS mounts   

[dreddurius]

I hate those YESS mounts   

Also, the YESS mount "hug" a huge portion of the tom >.< not that huge but enough to affect yung overall sound nya. I ended up placing my old Yamaha on a snare stand. I hate that dead "thunk"

 

[sonicassault]

Also, the YESS mount "hug" a huge portion of the tom >.< not that huge but enough to affect yung overall sound nya. I ended up placing my old Yamaha on a snare stand. I hate that dead "thunk"

 

from what I gather from the talk about YESS mounts, if you push the tom all the way through the hex mount, there is enough "connection" that the energy travels instead through the tom arms and the stand or kick mount, I guess because the shell itself starts to rest on the hex mount. I guess when they said you have to screw the tom near the pointed end of the hex mount, only the weight of the YESS mount is carried, leaving the shell to resonate free(ish)ly. I really have to try that tonight.

[inigo]

I should look into that! Nakapagbasa din ako sa ibang forums na may resonance issues din ang Yamaha YESS mounts
tulad ng sakin. Apparently pag umabot ka na sa gitna ng mounting rod nya bigla mamamatay yug resonance ng drum.
for some of the forumers anyway. I'll try locking my toms to the edge of the mounting rod and see if that helps.

I'm still very much open to replacing the mounts though, I hate those YESS mounts   

I've noticed no such thing on YESS mounts on my maple custom. Na-try ko na iposition ang tom to practically all points of the rod (barely hanging to sagad to the tom), and I didn't notice any stark differences.

[inigo]

Low probability na it's about the mount, as heads will vibrate kahit non-resonant ang shell. Try looking for canceling tones from other toms that are attached to the mount (bass drum and the other rack tom). Dampen the heads of other drums (batter and reso) and hit it while on the mount. Then trial and error to find out which head cancels the tom.

[sonicassault]

Low probability na it's about the mount, as heads will vibrate kahit non-resonant ang shell. Try looking for canceling tones from other toms that are attached to the mount (bass drum and the other rack tom). Dampen the heads of other drums (batter and reso) and hit it while on the mount. Then trial and error to find out which head cancels the tom.

I'd look into this tonight, but I do recognize that the location of my 12" rack tom does take away some resonance. Whether or not other drums cancel out the sound I'm not sure, but I did try hitting it on and off the mount, handholding it to the same location and position as it normally would for the latter, and the tom does sound more open. It's a Gigmaker, so that itself might be a factor.

If it is frequencies that cancel out, it may be the 13" tom. An inch wider and half an inch deeper doesn't make much of a difference, especially that I had to crank up the 13" just to get the tension I want which made the 12 and 13 inch toms itched two semitones apart. But I'll look into all the possible causes.

[harugrugrug]

The absolute series toms has a rod that doesn't go inside the shell while gig makers have the rod that
Connect thru the shell.its a big factor in sound,because i tuned already both of the drums,I'll take a pic
Tomorrow if I remember,ehehe

[sonicassault]

Nasubukan ko na yung sabi sa ibang forum na iposition sa pointed end ng rod yung mga toms. It worked, to my surprise! 
Pero hindi sya magic bigla. Yung 13" tom ko yung unang kumanta talaga, tapos yung 12" na problema ko ayaw pa rin, so sabi
ko tune ko nga baka di na pantay, and then yun kumanta na rin sya like never before! nung binalik ko yung tom sa dating
position nya sa kabilang dulo ng rod, instant patay ulit yung sound.

Naamaze ako sa effect, ang laki pala    Ngayon, ang titingnan ko na lang eh kung kakanta pa rin sya pag binalik ko na
yung reso heads 

[Ralph_Petrucci]

ayun hahaha so sa mounts nga ang problem hahahaha

[sonicassault]

ayun hahaha so sa mounts nga ang problem hahahaha

alam na! proceed with refinishing! so tuning skillz na lang pag sinalpak ko ulit yung mga reso heads, konting praktis pa

[inigo]

Mount ang salarin! Astig!

Grabe halos dalawang buwan na patay ang toms mo ah. Hehe.

[sonicassault]

Mount ang salarin! Astig!

Grabe halos dalawang buwan na patay ang toms mo ah. Hehe.

actually ever since nagpalit ako ng heads  una kasi nyan stock. pangit ang tunog pero at least kumakanta. buong tuning range ng drums ko nasubukan ko na, ayaw pa rin, tapos yun, may combo ng tuning and proper positioning sa mount tapos kumanta na. 
sa totoo lang medyo di ako makapaniwalang mount ang salarin but hey, we learn something everyday 

eh laspag na yung heads ko, nakuuuu tuning hell na naman 

[harugrugrug]

Po post ko sana pics nung gig maker at absolute series,huli nako,ahaha
Wala wifi sa Bahay e,sa trabaho lang gamit ko,hehe

[sonicassault]

Po post ko sana pics nung gig maker at absolute series,huli nako,ahaha
Wala wifi sa Bahay e,sa trabaho lang gamit ko,hehe

tama ba, yung sa absolute series yung RIMS mount na parang suspension mount? o suspension mount ba sya talaga?

[harugrugrug]

Ayan siya paps.

[sonicassault]

Ayan siya paps.

Di ko alam na may ganyan pala silang mount!

[harugrugrug]

Alam ko paps yess mounts tawag dyan,yess 2 yan ata,yung mas luma e nasa stage customs
Correct me if I'm wrong.so walang rod na didiretso sa wood compared sa gig maker

[dreddurius]

Gigmakers and Rydeens (and old YD series yata) ang may tumatagos sa shell. Everything else is YEsS.

Edit: dat Maple!!!