Dry Ride for Metal

[thegreatone]

Mga sir question lang - metal kasi ang tugtugan namin, and I'm planning to experiment and use a "dry" ride. ok kaya to? would it cut through? ano sa tingin niyo mga sir? thanks! 

[$trayC@t]

metal kasi ang tugtugan namin, and I'm planning to experiment and use a "dry" ride. ok kaya to? would it cut through? ano sa tingin niyo

100% NO. Are you on Drugs or Somthing Young Man? hehehe/ joke.
 Dry Rides are for low to mid volume levels baka ikaw mismo hindi mo marinig sarili mo ride with your intended experiment.

 Also yung tone ng Dry rides would not fit musically sa metal 

[Ralph_Petrucci]

Mga sir question lang - metal kasi ang tugtugan namin, and I'm planning to experiment and use a "dry" ride. ok kaya to? would it cut through? ano sa tingin niyo mga sir? thanks! 

hey bro

i've tried the STAGG DH Exo Raw Bell Ride
and the SABIAN AA Dry Ride
the good thing with them is they have a very good wash and a mid-tone
the thing i dont like that much is the bell's tone. i like the rides with a pingy bell

hope this helps

[thegreatone]

thanks for your inputs, mga bro!

100% NO. Are you on Drugs or Somthing Young Man? hehehe/ joke.
 Dry Rides are for low to mid volume levels baka ikaw mismo hindi mo marinig sarili mo ride with your intended experiment.

 Also yung tone ng Dry rides would not fit musically sa metal 

haha, natawa naman ako don.  yung din yung naisip ko before, but in theory, since scooped ang guitars pag metal (usually, but not all the time), tatagos naman ang ma-mids na ride. naisip ko lang, hehe.

in terms of volume, i just thought that a big ride (22"?) could do the trick. i dunno, i guess i have to try it first. 

[thegreatone]

hey bro

i've tried the STAGG DH Exo Raw Bell Ride
and the SABIAN AA Dry Ride
the good thing with them is they have a very good wash and a mid-tone
the thing i dont like that much is the bell's tone. i like the rides with a pingy bell

hope this helps

thanks man! what about the K Custom Dry rides or Stagg BM 22" ride? Ok kaya yon?

[Ralph_Petrucci]

thanks man! what about the K Custom Dry rides or Stagg BM 22" ride? Ok kaya yon?

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

sorry i just had to say that but
STAGG Black Metal cymbal series are toooooo DRY and Raw
their sound has a aggresive bite to it. so
a STAGG BM on metal is a NO-NO.

Kcustom? maybe because Kcustom are brighter compared to K's

but i'd still say that DRY rides go for Mellow/soul and Jazz genres

better yet?

go for MYRA's or AAX  or AA  series

[mondi99060451]

AA's or K Custom for me. 

[Dheniz]

aax metal ride for me 

[$trayC@t]

thanks for your inputs, mga bro!

haha, natawa naman ako don.  yung din yung naisip ko before, but in theory, since scooped ang guitars pag metal (usually, but not all the time), tatagos naman ang ma-mids na ride. naisip ko lang, hehe.

in terms of volume, i just thought that a big ride (22"?) could do the trick. i dunno, i guess i have to try it first. 

In general Dry Rides regardless of Brand Model & Size are made and designed to be dry. If a particular Ride doesnt' sound dry then i would not consider it a dry ride even if it says so sa Cymbal Itself.

The point is pag namili ka ng dry ride you are looking for dry qualities which defeats your particular intended purpose of playing metal music.

[metalmuhlisha]

ganyang ride din hinahanap ko. dry and dark but still with a decent wash and a killer bell sound for metal. i love martin lopez's ride sound during his (long) stint with the band opeth. isa sa mga inspiration ko yun.

anyway, this might help. i'd buy it in a heartbeat if i had the cash, kung yan nga talaga yung ride ni martin lopez:
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?p=278754

[metalmuhlisha]

sana makatulong, sinipag ako mag-google ng gamit na rides ni martin lopez. aside dun sa hh vintage ride (saka aa rock ride), eto yung isa pang gamit niya:

http://www.sabian.com/EN/products/HH_Raw_Bell_Dry_Ride_21_12172.cfm

personally, eto yung pinaka ok na ride para sakin, kahit gamit pa siya ng drummer ng falloutboy. i guess this debunks the idea that dry rides can't be used for metal. hehe. ganda rin ng reviews niya sa musiciansfriend, versatile talaga tong ride na to.

sana may pera nalang ako. *teardrop*

[smutdrummer]

kung gusto mo gamitin as crash yung ride then yes... yun lang, kailangan mo cguro ng separate na bell

[$trayC@t]

sinipag ako mag-google ng gamit na rides ni martin lopez. aside dun sa hh vintage ride (saka aa rock ride), eto yung isa pang gamit niya:

http://www.sabian.com/EN/products/HH_Raw_Bell_Dry_Ride_21_12172.cfm

 i guess this debunks the idea that dry rides can't be used for metal. hehe.

 

For arguments sake maski ano pwede gamitin kung talagang gugustuhin.“Kahit Takip pa ng Arenola Pwede". But then is it the ideal choice (Dry Rides)? That is another matter.

In regards to Martin Lopez (i don't know him) it is obvious that he uses more than one kind of ride according mismo sa post mo meaning his "Dry Ride is Not Always Applicable" nor is it his best option. Not even to mention pa yung sa “Technical Aspect” ng post production of the recorded sample..

Experience should tell you that "simply becoz  Martin Lopez uses a certain cymbal doesn’t mean you are assured of getting the same sound  out of the same model  when you get the above mentioned rides".
 

[plep]

di ba ang "dry" eh ibig sabihin onti lang ang overtones at nangingibabaw ang stick sound? as in kabaliktaran ng washy? pag ganun, hindi lahat ng dry rides eh automatically dark na rin.

may dalawang dry ride sounds kasi: yung tah-tah-tah at ping-ping-ping. yung tah sound eh galing sa dark na medium or medium thin cymbal. yung ping eh galing sa medium heavy or mas mabigat, na pwede pang metal.

anyway, bottomline is bakit di mo subukan? wala naman bawal e. kung trip mo eh di okay. meron naman mga metal drummers na dry ride ang gamit (si derek roddy, danny carey, etc). ako personally A Medium Ride tsaka K Pre Aged Ride gamit ko at wala naman problema.

[thegreatone]

thanks sa mga sagot sirs! very informative. 

[black_panther]

aax metal ride for me 

unfortunately this is not available locally on our sabian dealers, sayang

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

sorry i just had to say that but
STAGG Black Metal cymbal series are toooooo DRY and Raw
their sound has a aggresive bite to it. so
a STAGG BM on metal is a NO-NO.

better yet?

go for MYRA's or AAX  or AA  series

yes go for the myra's if you wanted a stagg..the black metal are just too dry and raw, actually it fits the old school bebop jazz era hehe

[comixztrip]

pasali po mga ser..... how bout the 21" dh exo dry ride, does this ride can dig metal music??? hoping for your reply coz im' planning to own one...maraming salamat po.

[$trayC@t]

unfortunately this is not available locally on our sabian dealers, sayang

yes go for the myra's if you wanted a stagg..the balck metalk are just too dry and raw, actually it fits the old school bebop jazz era hehe

Ang Galing Nyo Po Talaga Mang JP IDOL ko po kayo. Sabi ko na nga ba it's you behind the name.... HEHEHE.
Kamusta na it seems wala ka pa ring KaKupas-Kupas

[black_panther]

Ang Galing Nyo Po Talaga Mang JP IDOL ko po kayo. Sabi ko na nga ba it's you behind the name.... HEHEHE.
Kamusta na it seems wala ka pa ring KaKupas-Kupas

hahaha, cheers sir joel...musta na?haha, hindi tayo pede kumupas kasi itong trabaho na ito ang bread and butter ko haha, pangkain sa araw araw hehe..see you soon sir..

[inigo]

Usually, di nga bagay sa metal ang dry rides, pero that's just because it wouldn't cut too much. So, leveling lang ang katapat. If you're miked, or if your bandmates cut down on volume, ok lang may K Custom Medium or Dark (they're relatively dry!) if you want the wash. Pero for metal, I'd say ok ang mga narinig ko sa Sabian Raw Bell Dry Ride, Zildjian K Custom, or (if you can get one) Bosphorus Gold... 22 inches dapat!

[$trayC@t]

Another way around it if you must insist on using Dry Rides is to use large sticks like 5b or even larger models to somewhat overcome the volume deficiency ng cymbal. Although doing the above will heavily affect the tone being produced by the said cymbal & stick combination sympre.

[tranquildomain]

aax metal ride for me 

MISMO!

Or go for AAX Stage Ride 

[Dheniz]

MISMO!

Or go for AAX Stage Ride 

pwede ring a custom ping ride or projectiion ride or myra!

[metalmuhlisha]

For arguments sake maski ano pwede gamitin kung talagang gugustuhin.“Kahit Takip pa ng Arenola Pwede". But then is it the ideal choice (Dry Rides)? That is another matter.

In regards to Martin Lopez (i don't know him) it is obvious that he uses more than one kind of ride according mismo sa post mo meaning his "Dry Ride is Not Always Applicable" nor is it his best option. Not even to mention pa yung sa “Technical Aspect” ng post production of the recorded sample..

Experience should tell you that "simply becoz  Martin Lopez uses a certain cymbal doesn’t mean you are assured of getting the same sound  out of the same model  when you get the above mentioned rides".
 

martin lopez (and many other pro drummers at that) use more than one type of ride (or hihat or crash or whatever) since they have the luxury of choosing different sounds because they can and they have the means to do so (ie. sponsorship). it's not that a dry ride is not always applicable, it's just that the drummer chooses to have a different sound based on his preference. also, "best option" is a highly relative term. if it sounds great to you, it might as well be the best.

btw opeth albums contain 70's prog rock, death metal, some jazz, and everything in between.

kaya ayun, agree ako kay plep pati narin sa mga ni-reference niyang drummers.

PS. i also asked robert dela cruz if dry rides would fit in a metal setting, and he said yes. hell, even flo mounier from cryptopsy uses a 21" raw bell dry ride.
http://www.flomounier.com/en_gear.html

so in closing, dry ride + metal = win. hehe.

[plep]

yep. bottomline is kung gusto mo yung tunog eh di go. even if you play metal, it doesn't mean you have to sound like every other metal drummer out there. personally ayaw ko nga yung tunog ng mga "metal" cymbals e (yung masyado bright at cutting). if it works for you and the music you play then why not?