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Offline lucy_monostone

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may yumayaman ba sa pagbabanda?
« on: August 06, 2008, 11:22:23 PM »
may yumayaman ba talaga sa pag babanda? karamihan kase ng mga kakilala kong sikat na (may may album, music video, radio air play, regular gig, tv featured, etc.) sikat lang sila pero hindi "daw" sila kumikita. not sure kung pa humble epek lang yun.. madalas pa sabihin ng mga parents natin, "walang mangyayari sa pag bbanda mo", "walang pera sa pag bbanda", etc,,  :-D ...ano opinion nyo dito?



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Re: may yumayaman ba sa pagbabanda?
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2008, 11:48:51 PM »
balita ko meron daw isang banda noong 90s na mayayaman na din ngayon.

at balita ko din magwa-one night reunion concert daw sila sa agosto 30.  :-D
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Re: may yumayaman ba sa pagbabanda?
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2008, 12:38:31 AM »
kilala ko 'to.

ngayon lang 'ata dumating ang pagkakataon na talagang may yumaman sa pagbabanda.  :-D
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Re: may yumayaman ba sa pagbabanda?
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2008, 02:13:56 AM »
hehehe syempre di natin isasama yung pioneer na. yung ngayon lang year 2000 lumabas. kase nung kapanahunan nila eheads, konti pa lang ang competition at style ng music, ganon din ang piracy at other forms of music technology. so malaki talaga ang chance nila na magkaron ng break. right place at the right time ika nga.  :lol:

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Re: may yumayaman ba sa pagbabanda?
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2008, 02:15:41 AM »
I guess 6CM.  Unless they spend their money on drugs and other vices. 
PNE too.  One of the highest-paid bands. 


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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2008, 02:23:41 AM »
i guess in that situation the corporate ladder rule also applies.
PNE is in the list. how about bamboo? mainstream bands that do a lot of commercial /adworks.

teka, di na pagbabanda yun. as i also observed, some mainstream band members are relatively more 'well off'. IMO, it also gives some advantage to a band. i want to say something more but i know some people have more rights than i do.  :-D
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Re: may yumayaman ba sa pagbabanda?
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2008, 03:03:40 AM »
i guess in that situation the corporate ladder rule also applies.
PNE is in the list. how about bamboo? mainstream bands that do a lot of commercial /adworks.

teka, di na pagbabanda yun. as i also observed, some mainstream band members are relatively more 'well off'. IMO, it also gives some advantage to a band. i want to say something more but i know some people have more rights than i do.  :-D



hmmm yung PNE early 90s din yun eh. yung Bamboo naman.. mayaman na si Bamboo dahil sa Rivermaya hehehe.. lalo tuloy yumaman kase naghakot ng puro gwapings at talented na members  :-D

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Re: may yumayaman ba sa pagbabanda?
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2008, 04:16:12 AM »
so in partial conclusion, wala talagang yayaman sa pagbabanda unless
ikaw ang pinakasikat na banda sa buong pilipinas of all time    or
solid state na kayo sa industry.  :?
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Re: may yumayaman ba sa pagbabanda?
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2008, 07:12:40 AM »

its hard to get rich in the Philippine music industry. Our market is too small for an artist to earn X number of pesos, plus the fact piracy is rampant and in-your-face in our country.

Put it this way:

The State of California as of 2007 Census has 36,553,215 this is roughly half the size of the ENTIRE Philippine population which is around 80 Million as of recent estimates.

Kung baga, if you were to put it in perspectice..... A "sikat" pinoy band has a fan base equivalent of only the size of ONE state.

In effect, its like your just one of a STATE's local popular band, but not yet as big as the international touring acts we are so familiar with seeing like Linkin Park and Slipknot.

Relating this now to money money and sales:

A Gold Record in Philippine terms is a sale of 15,000 units and to earn a Platinum record is 30,000 units.

So example if I were a pop rock star. Then I got extremely lucky and had a hit single and record, and managed to earn a Platinum record, a very very hard feat to do nowadays, then get my own 15 minute awarding spot at a variety noon time show.

So lets say I get 100 pesos for every CD i moved, so I roughly earned Php 300,000 by having a Platinum record.

Thats not even enough to buy a new car, let along purchase a brand new house and lot.

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Relate it to US of A terms.

Ludacris' "Release Therapy" album as of 2007 sold 3.7 million copies and was Certified 3x platinum. (in the USA, a platinum record is when you move 1 million copies)

So even is he only get TWO  DOLLARS from every sale of the CD (which is ridiculous, he probably gets 50%) he would have taken home $7.4 Million.

or

Php 301 Million pesos.

Then refer again to..... IF MY 200 MILLION KA MAGBABANDA KA PA BA thread hahahahahaha

So thats my opion, hindi ka yayaman sa pagbabanda sa Pilipinas by CD sales alone.



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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2008, 07:44:17 AM »
digitalcyco got it half-right about how it goes in the US.

The artists do get a share for records.  It's considerably less than the amount mentioned though.  To wit, may I point out Steve Albini's essay regarding the record industry:

http://www.negativland.com/albini.html

The Problem With Music
by Steve Albini

Whenever I talk to a band who are about to sign with a major label, I always end up thinking of them in a particular context. I imagine a trench, about four feet wide and five feet deep, maybe sixty yards long, filled with runny, decaying [gooey brown stuff]. I imagine these people, some of them good friends, some of them barely acquaintances, at one end of this trench. I also imagine a faceless industry lackey at the other end holding a fountain pen and a contract waiting to be signed. Nobody can see what's printed on the contract. It's too far away, and besides, the [gooey brown stuff] stench is making everybody's eyes water. The lackey shouts to everybody that the first one to swim the trench gets to sign the contract. Everybody dives in the trench and they struggle furiously to get to the other end. Two people arrive simultaneously and begin wrestling furiously, clawing each other and dunking each other under the [gooey brown stuff]. Eventually, one of them capitulates, and there's only one contestant left. He reaches for the pen, but the Lackey says "Actually, I think you need a little more development. Swim again, please. Backstroke". And he does of course.

Every major label involved in the hunt for new bands now has on staff a high-profile point man, an "A & R" rep who can present a comfortable face to any prospective band. The initials stand for "Artist and Repertoire." because historically, the A & R staff would select artists to record music that they had also selected, out of an available pool of each. This is still the case, though not openly. These guys are universally young [about the same age as the bands being wooed], and nowadays they always have some obvious underground rock credibility flag they can wave.

Lyle Preslar, former guitarist for Minor Threat, is one of them. Terry Tolkin, former NY independent booking agent and assistant manager at Touch and Go is one of them. Al Smith, former soundman at CBGB is one of them. Mike Gitter, former editor of XXX fanzine and contributor to Rip, Kerrang and other lowbrow rags is one of them. Many of the annoying turds who used to staff college radio stations are in their ranks as well. There are several reasons A & R scouts are always young. The explanation usually copped-to is that the scout will be "hip to the current musical "scene." A more important reason is that the bands will intuitively trust someone they think is a peer, and who speaks fondly of the same formative rock and roll experiences. The A & R person is the first person to make contact with the band, and as such is the first person to promise them the moon. Who better to promise them the moon than an idealistic young turk who expects to be calling the shots in a few years, and who has had no previous experience with a big record company. Hell, he's as naive as the band he's duping. When he tells them no one will interfere in their creative process, he probably even believes it. When he sits down with the band for the first time, over a plate of angel hair pasta, he can tell them with all sincerity that when they sign with company X, they're really signing with him and he's on their side. Remember that great gig I saw you at in '85? Didn't we have a blast. By now all rock bands are wise enough to be suspicious of music industry scum. There is a pervasive caricature in popular culture of a portly, middle aged ex-hipster talking a mile-a-minute, using outdated jargon and calling everybody "baby." After meeting "their" A & R guy, the band will say to themselves and everyone else, "He's not like a record company guy at all! He's like one of us." And they will be right. That's one of the reasons he was hired.

These A & R guys are not allowed to write contracts. What they do is present the band with a letter of intent, or "deal memo," which loosely states some terms, and affirms that the band will sign with the label once a contract has been agreed on. The spookiest thing about this harmless sounding little memo, is that it is, for all legal purposes, a binding document. That is, once the band signs it, they are under obligation to conclude a deal with the label. If the label presents them with a contract that the band don't want to sign, all the label has to do is wait. There are a hundred other bands willing to sign the exact same contract, so the label is in a position of strength. These letters never have any terms of expiration, so the band remain bound by the deal memo until a contract is signed, no matter how long that takes. The band cannot sign to another laborer or even put out its own material unless they are released from their agreement, which never happens. Make no mistake about it: once a band has signed a letter of intent, they will either eventually sign a contract that suits the label or they will be destroyed.

One of my favorite bands was held hostage for the better part of two years by a slick young "He's not like a label guy at all," A & R rep, on the basis of such a deal memo. He had failed to come through on any of his promises [something he did with similar effect to another well-known band], and so the band wanted out. Another label expressed interest, but when the A & R man was asked to release the band, he said he would need money or points, or possibly both, before he would consider it. The new label was afraid the price would be too dear, and they said no thanks. On the cusp of making their signature album, an excellent band, humiliated, broke up from the stress and the many months of inactivity. There's this band. They're pretty ordinary, but they're also pretty good, so they've attracted some attention. They're signed to a moderate-sized "independent" label owned by a distribution company, and they have another two albums owed to the label. They're a little ambitious. They'd like to get signed by a major label so they can have some security you know, get some good equipment, tour in a proper tour bus -- nothing fancy, just a little reward for all the hard work. To that end, they got a manager. He knows some of the label guys, and he can shop their next project to all the right people. He takes his cut, sure, but it's only 15%, and if he can get them signed then it's money well spent. Anyways, it doesn't cost them anything if it doesn't work. 15% of nothing isn't much! One day an A & R scout calls them, says he's 'been following them for a while now, and when their manager mentioned them to him, it just "clicked." Would they like to meet with him about the possibility of working out a deal with his label? Wow. Big Break time. They meet the guy, and y'know what -- he's not what they expected from a label guy. He's young and dresses pretty much like the band does. He knows all their favorite bands. He's like one of them. He tells them he wants to go to bat for them, to try to get them everything they want. He says anything is possible with the right attitude.

They conclude the evening by taking home a copy of a deal memo they wrote out and signed on the spot. The A & R guy was full of great ideas, even talked about using a name producer. Butch Vig is out of the question-he wants 100 g's and three points, but they can get Don Fleming for $30,000 plus three points. Even that's a little steep, so maybe they'll go with that guy who used to be in David Letterman's band. He only wants three points. Or they can have just anybody record it (like Warton Tiers, maybe-- cost you 5 or 7 grand] and have Andy Wallace remix it for 4 grand a track plus 2 points. It was a lot to think about. Well, they like this guy and they trust him. Besides, they already signed the deal memo. He must have been serious about wanting them to sign. They break the news to their current label, and the label manager says he wants them to succeed, so they have his blessing. He will need to be compensated, of course, for the remaining albums left on their contract, but he'll work it out with the label himself.

Sub Pop made millions from selling off Nirvana, and Twin Tone hasn't done bad either: 50 grand for the Babes and 60 grand for the Poster Children-- without having to sell a single additional record. It'll be something modest. The new label doesn't mind, so long as it's recoupable out of royalties. Well, they get the final contract, and it's not quite what they expected. They figure it's better to be safe than sorry and they turn it over to a lawyer--one who says he's experienced in entertainment law and he hammers out a few bugs. They're still not sure about it, but the lawyer says he's seen a lot of contracts, and theirs is pretty good. They'll be great royalty: 13% [less a 1O% packaging deduction]. Wasn't it Buffalo Tom that were only getting 12% less 10? Whatever. The old label only wants 50 grand, an no points. Hell, Sub Pop got 3 points when they let Nirvana go. They're signed for four years, with options on each year, for a total of over a million dollars! That's a lot of money in any man's English. The first year's advance alone is $250,000. Just think about it, a quarter million, just for being in a rock band! Their manager thinks it's a great deal, especially the large advance. Besides, he knows a publishing company that will take the band on if they get signed, and even give them an advance of 20 grand, so they'll be making that money too. The manager says publishing is pretty mysterious, and nobody really knows where all the money comes from, but the lawyer can look that contract over too. Hell, it's free money. Their booking agent is excited about the band signing to a major. He says they can maybe average $1,000 or $2,000 a night from now on. That's enough to justify a five week tour, and with tour support, they can use a proper crew, buy some good equipment and even get a tour bus! Buses are pretty expensive, but if you figure in the price of a hotel room for everybody In the band and crew, they're actually about the same cost. Some bands like Therapy? and Sloan and Stereolab use buses on their tours even when they're getting paid only a couple hundred bucks a night, and this tour should earn at least a grand or two every night. It'll be worth it. The band will be more comfortable and will play better.

The agent says a band on a major label can get a merchandising company to pay them an advance on T-shirt sales! ridiculous! There's a gold mine here! The lawyer Should look over the merchandising contract, just to be safe. They get drunk at the signing party. Polaroids are taken and everybody looks thrilled. The label picked them up in a limo. They decided to go with the producer who used to be in Letterman's band. He had these technicians come in and tune the drums for them and tweak their amps and guitars. He had a guy bring in a slew of expensive old "vintage" microphones. Boy, were they "warm." He even had a guy come in and check the phase of all the equipment in the control room! Boy, was he professional. He used a bunch of equipment on them and by the end of it, they all agreed that it sounded very "punchy," yet "warm." All that hard work paid off. With the help of a video, the album went like hotcakes! They sold a quarter million copies! Here is the math that will explain just how [strawberry] they are: These figures are representative of amounts that appear in record contracts daily. There's no need to skew the figures to make the scenario look bad, since real-life examples more than abound. income is bold and underlined, expenses are not.

Advance:    $ 250,000
Manager's cut:    $ 37,500
Legal fees:    $ 10,000
Recording Budget:    $ 150,000
Producer's advance:    $ 50,000
Studio fee:    $ 52,500
Drum Amp, Mic and Phase "Doctors":    $ 3,000
Recording tape:    $ 8,000
Equipment rental:    $ 5,000
Cartage and Transportation:    $ 5,000
Lodgings while in studio:    $ 10,000
Catering:    $ 3,000
Mastering:    $ 10,000
Tape copies, reference CDs, shipping tapes, misc. expenses:    $ 2,000
Video budget:    $ 30,000
Cameras:    $ 8,000
Crew:    $ 5,000
Processing and transfers:    $ 3,000
Off-line:    $ 2,000
On-line editing:    $ 3,000
Catering:    $ 1,000
Stage and construction:    $ 3,000
Copies, couriers, transportation:    $ 2,000
Director's fee:    $ 3,000
Album Artwork:    $ 5,000
Promotional photo shoot and duplication:    $ 2,000
Band fund:    $ 15,000
New fancy professional drum kit:    $ 5,000
New fancy professional guitars [2]:    $ 3,000
New fancy professional guitar amp rigs [2]:    $ 4,000
New fancy potato-shaped bass guitar:    $ 1,000
New fancy rack of lights bass amp:    $ 1,000
Rehearsal space rental:    $ 500
Big blowout party for their friends:    $ 500
Tour expense [5 weeks]:    $ 50,875
Bus:    $ 25,000
Crew [3]:    $ 7,500
Food and per diems:    $ 7,875
Fuel:    $ 3,000
Consumable supplies:    $ 3,500
Wardrobe:    $ 1,000
Promotion:    $ 3,000
Tour gross income:    $ 50,000
Agent's cut:    $ 7,500
Manager's cut:    $ 7,500
Merchandising advance:    $ 20,000
Manager's cut:    $ 3,000
Lawyer's fee:    $ 1,000
Publishing advance:    $ 20,000
Manager's cut:    $ 3,000
Lawyer's fee:    $ 1,000
Record sales:    250,000 @ $12 =
$3,000,000
Gross retail revenue Royalty:    [13% of 90% of retail]:
$ 351,000
Less advance:    $ 250,000
Producer's points:    [3% less $50,000 advance]:
$ 40,000
Promotional budget:    $ 25,000
Recoupable buyout from previous label:    $ 50,000
Net royalty:    $ -14,000



Record company income:

Record wholesale price:    $6.50 x 250,000 =
$1,625,000 gross income
Artist Royalties:    $ 351,000
Deficit from royalties:    $ 14,000
Manufacturing, packaging and distribution:    @ $2.20 per record: $ 550,000
Gross profit:    $ 7l0,000
The Balance Sheet: This is how much each player got paid at the end of the game.

Record company:    $ 710,000
Producer:    $ 90,000
Manager:    $ 51,000
Studio:    $ 52,500
Previous label:    $ 50,000
Agent:    $ 7,500
Lawyer:    $ 12,000
Band member net income each:    $ 4,031.25

The band is now 1/4 of the way through its contract, has made the music industry more than 3 million dollars richer, but is in the hole $14,000 on royalties. The band members have each earned about 1/3 as much as they would working at a 7-11, but they got to ride in a tour bus for a month. The next album will be about the same, except that the record company will insist they spend more time and money on it. Since the previous one never "recouped," the band will have no leverage, and will oblige. The next tour will be about the same, except the merchandising advance will have already been paid, and the band, strangely enough, won't have earned any royalties from their T-shirts yet. Maybe the T-shirt guys have figured out how to count money like record company guys. Some of your friends are probably already this [strawberry].

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Re: may yumayaman ba sa pagbabanda?
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2008, 10:38:45 AM »

very informative read! and I love the gooey brown stuff trench example.

yeah I was only half-correct..... i didn't take into account the other expenses, just a flat black and white example just to get my point across  :wink:
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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2008, 10:49:26 AM »
parokya ni edgar hindi po ba sila mayaman ngayon?tingin ko po mukhang yumaman ang parokya ni edgar.

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« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2008, 10:51:53 AM »
I guess 6CM.  Unless they spend their money on drugs and other vices. 
PNE too.  One of the highest-paid bands. 

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Re: may yumayaman ba sa pagbabanda?
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2008, 11:16:07 AM »
maraming yumayaman sa pagbabanda, look at Korn, Incubus, Aerosmith, etc.... :-D
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Re: may yumayaman ba sa pagbabanda?
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2008, 11:21:36 AM »
urbandub? faspitch? sorry fan ako e  :lol:

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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2008, 11:37:01 AM »

may yumaman sa pagbabanda. pero its not that rich compared to the foreign counterparts.

maybe just enough to live comfortably plus perks.  :wink:
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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2008, 11:39:45 AM »
kasama ba MYMP dito?  :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: may yumayaman ba sa pagbabanda?
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2008, 01:41:50 PM »
medyo OT:napansin ko na karamihan naman yata ng mga sumisikat o nagbabanda ngayon ay may kaya (at least their parents are :-D) kasi mamahalin na rin mga gears nila. opinion lang po. :-)
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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2008, 02:30:57 PM »
and the "mayaman lang ang sumsikat" rears its head again...

kung ganiyan lang lagi iniisip ng tao...talagang ang mayaman lang ang sisikat sa musika!

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« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2008, 06:19:33 AM »
medyo OT:napansin ko na karamihan naman yata ng mga sumisikat o nagbabanda ngayon ay may kaya (at least their parents are :-D) kasi mamahalin na rin mga gears nila. opinion lang po. :-)

i think this is true.

you need to have at least enough money to finance your band, buy yourself decent gear and should be able to afford to spend for rehearsals and get your arses to gigs.

of course, this doesnt apply to all. but I can categorically say that having the $$$ can sure help a band get somewhere.

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« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2008, 06:18:07 PM »
AFAIK, artists earn more from endorsements rather than CD sales and shows. 

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« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2008, 06:28:23 PM »
AFAIK, artists earn more from endorsements rather than CD sales and shows. 

lalo na pag mga malalaking companya like telecom and beverage companies. :-o
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Re: may yumayaman ba sa pagbabanda?
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2008, 01:10:05 AM »
i think this is true.

you need to have at least enough money to finance your band, buy yourself decent gear and should be able to afford to spend for rehearsals and get your arses to gigs.

of course, this doesnt apply to all. but I can categorically say that having the $$$ can sure help a band get somewhere.

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I'd say half true...

cause they can afford not to work for a living, given their situation...

more time sa band..more focus...

unlike pag di masyado ok ang status...nagquit ng banda to get work...

or i could be wrong  :mrgreen:

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Re: may yumayaman ba sa pagbabanda?
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2008, 10:33:39 PM »
Mangilan ngilan na banda dito mga rich kids na talaga I dunno kung magkano na mga kinita ng eheads or halimbawa calalili.
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Re: may yumayaman ba sa pagbabanda?
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2008, 12:54:57 AM »
panoorin nyo na mga gigs ko dahil bukas eh sell out na ko at sa malalaking venues nyo na ko makikita  :-D
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