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« Reply #350 on: July 15, 2014, 02:17:39 PM »
Sir matanong ko lang. Ano pinagkaiba ng thinner at thicker reso snare head? Evans Hazy 200(2-mil), Evans Hazy 300(3-mil), Evans Hazy 500(5-mil)?
Currently using Ambassador Hazy(3-mil) since production bali mga 9 years na. HAHAHAHAHA!!  :lol: :lol: Iniisip ko kung mag Hazy 500 ako or Hazy 300 parin.
Gusto ko mag tunog dark and dry pero halatang kahoy parin yung tunog. :) Mag EC1 Reverse Dot(14-mil) Batter ako. Sa reso mas okay ba mag 5-mil reso ako o stick to 3-mil reso? Thanks!!  :-D
I haven't had to swap out my reso heads yet, but thicker resos are more durable and probably darker, but with less snare response i think. I'm guessing thinner resos are for jazz, when you need your ghost notes to respond to light taps, and thicker resos are for heavy styles without ghost notes, so you won't bust your reso heads when laying heavy on the snare.
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« Reply #351 on: July 15, 2014, 02:27:48 PM »
I haven't had to swap out my reso heads yet, but thicker resos are more durable and probably darker, but with less snare response i think. I'm guessing thinner resos are for jazz, when you need your ghost notes to respond to light taps, and thicker resos are for heavy styles without ghost notes, so you won't bust your reso heads when laying heavy on the snare.

Ahh. Is it better to stick to 3-mil than changing to 5-mil? Gusto ko kasi marinig yung body sound eh. Since magpapalit ako ng Batter head. Gusto ko na isabay yung reso. Bigla kasi akong na OC sa brands. Snares ko nalang ang naka remo. Hahahaha!  :-D

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« Reply #352 on: July 15, 2014, 03:03:49 PM »
Ahh. Is it better to stick to 3-mil than changing to 5-mil? Gusto ko kasi marinig yung body sound eh. Since magpapalit ako ng Batter head. Gusto ko na isabay yung reso. Bigla kasi akong na OC sa brands. Snares ko nalang ang naka remo. Hahahaha!  :-D

I'd stick to 3 mil. 5 mil seems like it'll be less open and responsive.

As to the brands, wag ka ma-OC! there are people who mix up different brands for different drums; it really depends on what the product does. AFAIK especially in other drum forums, there seems to be a trend that Remo = toanz and Evans = consistency and durability. people seem to love single ply Remos and double ply Evans, for toms. For snares, people seem to like Fiberskyn, Coated Emps and Ambs, Emp/Black X from Remo, and Hydraulics, Onyx, Genera, and EC from Evans. Aquarian maririnig mo lang ata pag kick na ang usapan  :wink:

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« Reply #353 on: July 15, 2014, 03:38:02 PM »
I'd stick to 3 mil. 5 mil seems like it'll be less open and responsive.

As to the brands, wag ka ma-OC! there are people who mix up different brands for different drums; it really depends on what the product does. AFAIK especially in other drum forums, there seems to be a trend that Remo = toanz and Evans = consistency and durability. people seem to love single ply Remos and double ply Evans, for toms. For snares, people seem to like Fiberskyn, Coated Emps and Ambs, Emp/Black X from Remo, and Hydraulics, Onyx, Genera, and EC from Evans. Aquarian maririnig mo lang ata pag kick na ang usapan  :wink:

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Ok sir! Noted. Hehehe. :) will buy 3-mil reso. :) Siguro bili parin ako ng 5-mil dahil sobrang curious ko. Hahahaha!!  :-D

Pano ko ba makukuha yung body sound ng snare? Madalas ko marinig yung body sound sa matatangkad na snares like 6" or taller.

Sa 12x7 ko rinig na rinig yung body niya eh kahit Ambassadors na luma na. Dito kaya sa 14x5.5 kaya rin makuha? Tried all the tuning my Ambassadors from loose to tight. Wala talaga eh.  :-(

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« Reply #354 on: July 15, 2014, 04:09:51 PM »
Ok sir! Noted. Hehehe. :) will buy 3-mil reso. :) Siguro bili parin ako ng 5-mil dahil sobrang curious ko. Hahahaha!!  :-D

Pano ko ba makukuha yung body sound ng snare? Madalas ko marinig yung body sound sa matatangkad na snares like 6" or taller.

Sa 12x7 ko rinig na rinig yung body niya eh kahit Ambassadors na luma na. Dito kaya sa 14x5.5 kaya rin makuha? Tried all the tuning my Ambassadors from loose to tight. Wala talaga eh.  :-(

Rimshots, Better sticking, and better sticks.

kung sa ambassadors di mo pa rin marinig yung body ng snare, something else is wrong. either the snare is wrong, or the technique is wrong na.
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« Reply #355 on: July 15, 2014, 04:50:42 PM »
Rimshots, Better sticking, and better sticks.

kung sa ambassadors di mo pa rin marinig yung body ng snare, something else is wrong. either the snare is wrong, or the technique is wrong na.

May tunog naman siyang body pero mahina. Ang problem lang is bitin na bitin ako sa pagka body niya. Hehehe. Di kaya dahil sa depth niya na 5.5" lang?  :-(

Dati kasi naka 13x6 MPX Birch ako rinig na rinig yung body. Binenta ko na tapos nag 14x5.5 ako na BP Maple. Ngayon naman bitin na bitin ako sa body sound. Sa 12x7 BP Maple naman rinig na rinig din yung body. Hehe.

Gusto ko talaga makuha yung dry, dark and body sound sa 14x5.5 ko. :cry:

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« Reply #356 on: July 15, 2014, 04:59:02 PM »
How about medium tuning? Yung stock snare ko 5.5 ata depth nya, puro body at patay na overtones  :lol:  :|
medium tuning sya kasi ang kapal ng head, and the lugs dont really go that far.

basically tama si ralph, if its not the heads or the sticks or the sticking, its the snare.
maybe a 14x5.5 maple just isn't for you. trade mo na sa ibang snare.
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« Reply #357 on: July 15, 2014, 05:18:08 PM »
actually ang maple kasi is very warm sounding so baka kaya di mo siya naririnig.

kasi ako im using a Birch 14 x 5 snare sa bahay, tight tuning, ambassadors only. sobrang woody na for me. so baka yung material rin ang to blame. plus diecast hoops pa ata ang BP so mas muted sounding siya.
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« Reply #358 on: July 15, 2014, 05:32:48 PM »
How about medium tuning? Yung stock snare ko 5.5 ata depth nya, puro body at patay na overtones  :lol:  :|
medium tuning sya kasi ang kapal ng head, and the lugs dont really go that far.

basically tama si ralph, if its not the heads or the sticks or the sticking, its the snare.
maybe a 14x5.5 maple just isn't for you. trade mo na sa ibang snare.

Nag try na ko lahat ng tuning. Pati reso.  :-( try ko muna mag palit heads at baka pati hoops.

Sana makuha ko yung tunog na gusto ko. Ayoko lang pakawalan kasi marami na kong napagdaanan sa snare na to. Hehehe.

Anyway, salamat ng marami sir!  :-D

actually ang maple kasi is very warm sounding so baka kaya di mo siya naririnig.

kasi ako im using a Birch 14 x 5 snare sa bahay, tight tuning, ambassadors only. sobrang woody na for me. so baka yung material rin ang to blame. plus diecast hoops pa ata ang BP so mas muted sounding siya.

Yup. Die cast nga siya. Baka mag sonic saver ako in the future kung hindi masolve problem ko sa heads. Hassle talaga pag hindi mo makuha yung gusto mong tunog. Hehehe.

Salamat ng marami sir. :-D

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« Reply #359 on: July 15, 2014, 05:38:01 PM »
Nag try na ko lahat ng tuning. Pati reso.  :-( try ko muna mag palit heads at baka pati hoops.

Sana makuha ko yung tunog na gusto ko. Ayoko lang pakawalan kasi marami na kong napagdaanan sa snare na to. Hehehe.

Anyway, salamat ng marami sir!  :-D

Yup. Die cast nga siya. Baka mag sonic saver ako in the future kung hindi masolve problem ko sa heads. Hassle talaga pag hindi mo makuha yung gusto mong tunog. Hehehe.

Salamat ng marami sir. :-D

ayt man!

try mo mung humiram ng hoops na triple flanged version para marinig mo difference! :D
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« Reply #360 on: July 15, 2014, 05:42:32 PM »
ayt man!

try mo mung humiram ng hoops na triple flanged version para marinig mo difference! :D

Noted sir! Maraming salamat!!  :-D

Naisip ko bigla na baka hoops nga kasi yung 12x7 na BP ko Cherry Maple pero naka triple flanged na 2.3mm.   :-D

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« Reply #361 on: July 15, 2014, 08:50:42 PM »
I have a maple snare that is 13x5.5 it has a body sound as well because my hoops are s hoops
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« Reply #362 on: July 17, 2014, 10:48:38 AM »
Noted sir! Maraming salamat!!  :-D

Naisip ko bigla na baka hoops nga kasi yung 12x7 na BP ko Cherry Maple pero naka triple flanged na 2.3mm.   :-D

Most probably hoops nga bro.

I remember, yung mga tama superstar na natry ko na standard size, (14x5) mejo nakukulangan ako kaya ako nag 13 x 6.5 na walnut na BP kahit diecast, woody goodness!

pero AFAIK, hoops will help! try borrowing muna before purchasing!
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« Reply #363 on: July 17, 2014, 05:08:08 PM »
Most probably hoops nga bro.

I remember, yung mga tama superstar na natry ko na standard size, (14x5) mejo nakukulangan ako kaya ako nag 13 x 6.5 na walnut na BP kahit diecast, woody goodness!

pero AFAIK, hoops will help! try borrowing muna before purchasing!

Oyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeee. Sarap niyan sir. BP 13x6.5 Walnut? :roll: Premium Series ba siya? Deep Forest? Anong series siya ng BP?  :)
Sana matry ko yang snare niyo minsan.  :-D

Pangarap kong snare yan. Kaso sobrang hirap makahanap at wala na ring brand new. Hahahaha!!

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« Reply #364 on: July 17, 2014, 05:42:28 PM »
Most probably hoops nga bro.

I remember, yung mga tama superstar na natry ko na standard size, (14x5) mejo nakukulangan ako kaya ako nag 13 x 6.5 na walnut na BP kahit diecast, woody goodness!

pero AFAIK, hoops will help! try borrowing muna before purchasing!
ito ba yung binenta mo tapos pinagsisihan mo?  :lol:
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« Reply #365 on: July 21, 2014, 12:28:28 PM »
Oyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeee. Sarap niyan sir. BP 13x6.5 Walnut? :roll: Premium Series ba siya? Deep Forest? Anong series siya ng BP?  :)
Sana matry ko yang snare niyo minsan.  :-D

Pangarap kong snare yan. Kaso sobrang hirap makahanap at wala na ring brand new. Hahahaha!!

yung unang labas ng BP </3 before the deep forest. sighhhh... :( bago siya idiscontinue at tawaging Chris Adler Signature. sighhhhh... tapos binenta ko para makabili ng Gitara </3

and no hype, iba yung tunog ng BP Walnut :( huhuhuhu i miss it so much.


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« Reply #366 on: May 06, 2015, 02:43:51 PM »
Post ulit!!!!

Hindi ko na binenta yung 14x5.5 BP Birdseye Maple ko. Pero nagpalit na ko batter. Naka Evans EC1 Reverse Dot na ako.

Tight tuning sa taas tapos sa baba medyo maluwag tapos nag 14 strands ako na snare wires.

Grabe sobrang gusto ko talaga yung tunog ngayon!!!!! Sobrang dry na rin parang cymbals ko lang. Hahahaha!!

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« Reply #367 on: May 06, 2015, 04:10:07 PM »
Bought a 13x3 brass snare from sir plep. nakakabit pa yung Fiberskyn 3 head and Ambassador reso, tuned tight. Too piccolo-y for my taste. I tuned it down, tapos yun, ayos! It matched the pitch of my 14x5 but with less body and more thwack and overtones. May binigay si sir na used Evans Power Center reverse dot I think. basta may dot sa loob. I tuned it at medium tension. It was even better. I can tune the batter just a bit tighter for a slightly higher pitch without sacrificing the mids. I can't wait to slap a two ply Onyx or black Response-2 on it and see how much further I can raise the pitch without making it thin.

Of course it will never have the boom of a snare at least 5 inches deep, but I like it that way, enough mids to power through, lots of overtones, lots of ring, and high pitched enough to separate itself from the mix. I think I'd only change my snare for a power piccolo when the thump needs to be there.

I need to change the snare wires and cords on that snare tho.
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« Reply #368 on: May 06, 2015, 04:21:43 PM »
Bought a 13x3 brass snare from sir plep. nakakabit pa yung Fiberskyn 3 head and Ambassador reso, tuned tight. Too piccolo-y for my taste. I tuned it down, tapos yun, ayos! It matched the pitch of my 14x5 but with less body and more thwack and overtones. May binigay si sir na used Evans Power Center reverse dot I think. basta may dot sa loob. I tuned it at medium tension. It was even better. I can tune the batter just a bit tighter for a slightly higher pitch without sacrificing the mids. I can't wait to slap a two ply Onyx or black Response-2 on it and see how much further I can raise the pitch without making it thin.

Of course it will never have the boom of a snare at least 5 inches deep, but I like it that way, enough mids to power through, lots of overtones, lots of ring, and high pitched enough to separate itself from the mix. I think I'd only change my snare for a power piccolo when the thump needs to be there.

I need to change the snare wires and cords on that snare tho.


hirap pag big venue. :( yan problema ko ngayon. kailangan ko na ata ng JJ para rinig pag live.
hahaha ako binibiyak ko muna yung wetpaks para makita kung may yellow thingy hahahaha

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« Reply #369 on: May 06, 2015, 04:44:36 PM »

hirap pag big venue. :( yan problema ko ngayon. kailangan ko na ata ng JJ para rinig pag live.

yun lang, kulang talaga sa body pag piccolo. kahit dun sa 14x5 ko dama nung dibdib ko yung difference eh. target ko rin yang JJ, pag may matino na akong trabaho  :lol: pag ganun siguro stick na ako sa reverse dot batters kasi pag two ply feeling ko masyado pang funk
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« Reply #370 on: May 06, 2015, 04:51:48 PM »
yun lang, kulang talaga sa body pag piccolo. kahit dun sa 14x5 ko dama nung dibdib ko yung difference eh. target ko rin yang JJ, pag may matino na akong trabaho  :lol: pag ganun siguro stick na ako sa reverse dot batters kasi pag two ply feeling ko masyado pang funk


since pang big venues, ambassador all the way! pag open venues kasi, overtones are your friend eh hahahaha
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« Reply #371 on: May 06, 2015, 04:54:54 PM »

since pang big venues, ambassador all the way! pag open venues kasi, overtones are your friend eh hahahaha

overtones and for me, maingay (less tight) na snare wires! mas alive sya para sakin
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