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Re: Snake Cable
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2009, 05:33:26 AM »
sir baka may pics ka ng finished product ng DIY stage box/snake cable para sulit naman yung pagod mo  :-D  gusto naming makita, saka how much ang total na gastos. nag paplano din ako para sa church namin. TIA

Not worthy of pics e hehehe. Describe ko na lang. Blank aluminum sheet, drilled with 12 XLRs and 4 1/4 inch for PL plugs. Plate mounted on a "box" made out of 3/4 plyboard, standing on one end with the "open" end facing a hole in the wall.

Works great for me, but I doubt it will be pretty or functional in say a stage setting. I just need to cross the wall between the iso booth and control rooms lang naman so I didn't need anything fancy. I'll still upgrade it if something inexpensive comes my way. But for now, I'm still gassing for a gigabit LAN upgrade so I can move my cluster computing setup to 24-bit resolution without dropouts. And maybe another Delta 1010 card para maexpand channel banks ko.  Basta...iba muna gagastusan ko bago snake cables. :-D 
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« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2009, 02:54:29 PM »
tama, if the budget is tight, prioritize the ones that really is more important, cosmetics is really secondary as long as it is serving it's purpose..gawa din ako ng ganyan..focus muna ako sa PC build ko..and Mic hunting...hehe thanks BAMF!
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« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2009, 09:09:24 PM »
tama, if the budget is tight, prioritize the ones that really is more important, cosmetics is really secondary as long as it is serving it's purpose..gawa din ako ng ganyan..focus muna ako sa PC build ko..and Mic hunting...hehe thanks BAMF!

may church dito sa amin alam ko gumamit ng UTP cable... due to lack of budget... that's very cheap already ha...
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« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2009, 09:58:59 PM »
may church dito sa amin alam ko gumamit ng UTP cable... due to lack of budget... that's very cheap already ha...

I've heard of that na din ah. Same ba yan as telephone wires? sabi nila ayos na ayos din daw output. :) Sino kaya marunong gumawa ng ganyan? paano? :)

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« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2009, 11:40:42 PM »
may church dito sa amin alam ko gumamit ng UTP cable... due to lack of budget... that's very cheap already ha...

sir yung UTP ba pang telephone? i have no idea, hehe pro share ko eto, nung time na wala ako pera and kailangan ko ng pang wiring dun sa 2x12 inch speaker ko assembled lang para sa bass amp na assembled din.. i used telephone wires yung red and white to make a parallel connection inside the buffles tama ba spelling?hehe, to make it 4 ohms.. and OK naman..hehe, hangang ngayun nakakabit pa rin.. a scientific test would know kung may pagkakaiba..solid copper wire yung sa pang telephone..maybe because short cable lang kya hndi noticeable..
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« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2009, 02:23:40 AM »
I've heard of that na din ah. Same ba yan as telephone wires? sabi nila ayos na ayos din daw output. :) Sino kaya marunong gumawa ng ganyan? paano? :)
UTP is for LAN CONNECTIONS... yung kulay GRAY... 9 wire sya, the 9th is the ground. So 8 Channel pwede, with common ground. Pwede rin 4 channel ( balanced ), with each channel having its own Hot & Cold, plus a common Ground. Actually, i was the one who suggested that, and never thought na ginawa pala nila. Sounds good naman.

Who else wanna try?
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« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2009, 02:38:53 AM »
ah oo may ganun ako, high quality namn yun eh..actually mas sensitive nga yung trabaho nun..hehe, audio video internet, at kung ano pa..hehe..dyan magaling ang pinoy eh hehe..\m/
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« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2009, 04:02:43 AM »
sir yung UTP ba pang telephone? i have no idea, hehe pro share ko eto, nung time na wala ako pera and kailangan ko ng pang wiring dun sa 2x12 inch speaker ko assembled lang para sa bass amp na assembled din.. i used telephone wires yung red and white to make a parallel connection inside the buffles tama ba spelling?hehe, to make it 4 ohms.. and OK naman..hehe, hangang ngayun nakakabit pa rin.. a scientific test would know kung may pagkakaiba..solid copper wire yung sa pang telephone..maybe because short cable lang kya hndi noticeable..
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« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2009, 04:23:26 AM »
OO nga! nawala yung reply nyo sir alien!  :? nabasa ko pa yun kanina hehe...ano kya nangyari? :-D
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« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2009, 11:31:27 AM »
OO nga! nawala yung reply nyo sir alien!  :? nabasa ko pa yun kanina hehe...ano kya nangyari? :-D

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« Reply #35 on: May 12, 2009, 12:59:12 PM »
Quote from: skyjammer on Kahapon at 09:58:59 PM
I've heard of that na din ah. Same ba yan as telephone wires? sabi nila ayos na ayos din daw output. Smiley Sino kaya marunong gumawa ng ganyan? paano? Smiley
UTP is for LAN CONNECTIONS... yung kulay GRAY... 9 wire sya, the 9th is the ground. So 8 Channel pwede, with common ground. Pwede rin 4 channel ( balanced ), with each channel having its own Hot & Cold, plus a common Ground. Actually, i was the one who suggested that, and never thought na ginawa pala nila. Sounds good naman.

Who else wanna try?

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« Reply #36 on: May 12, 2009, 01:34:12 PM »
ah oo may ganun ako, high quality namn yun eh..actually mas sensitive nga yung trabaho nun..hehe, audio video internet, at kung ano pa..hehe..dyan magaling ang pinoy eh hehe..\m/
audio/video pero LOW QUALITY kasi internet.
RE UTP/LAN CABLE:
i checked it kanina lang, OK naman ang tunog... i brought my laptop there and recorded the main outs... may konting noise ( siguro may naka parallel lang na AUDIO+AC power line... ) but not that audible during worship hours...sounds like PINK NOISE when amplified ( through a DAW.. )
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« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2009, 06:51:32 PM »
UTP is for LAN CONNECTIONS... yung kulay GRAY... 9 wire sya, the 9th is the ground. So 8 Channel pwede, with common ground. Pwede rin 4 channel ( balanced ), with each channel having its own Hot & Cold, plus a common Ground. Actually, i was the one who suggested that, and never thought na ginawa pala nila. Sounds good naman.

Hmmm... magkano kaya per meter ng UTP ngayon. :roll: :roll: :roll: Matibay din kaya?

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« Reply #38 on: May 13, 2009, 01:26:46 AM »
kung meron dito gusto i-share ang cat5 or cat6 DIY snakes nila please do so. :)

@ alien-inside
sir, 8 cables lang yung na-research kong mga UTP cables eh. both cat 5 and cat 6. wala nang ground. so by pair sya - one hot and one ground. pwede bang 2 pairs ang gagamitin sa isang connection? bale, i'll combine both grounds as single ground and one hot as hot and the other as cold?

Obviously, I got interested. :) Mahilig talaga ako mangalikot.  :-D :-D

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« Reply #39 on: May 13, 2009, 01:42:57 AM »
Skyjammer, yung ASTRIX CAT5E may GROUND. Shielded pa...
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« Reply #40 on: May 14, 2009, 08:16:49 PM »
Skyjammer, yung ASTRIX CAT5E may GROUND. Shielded pa...

Pambihira... mukhang gagawa na talaga ako ng diy snake ah... somebody stop me! 8-) 8-)

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« Reply #41 on: May 14, 2009, 08:44:50 PM »
Skyjammer, yung ASTRIX CAT5E may GROUND. Shielded pa...

Sir, san makakahanap nun dito?

I asked our IT guys here in the office they're only familiar with the 4-pair cat 5 and cat 5e. The guy made a good suggestion though. I can make 3 balance inputs from one cable. 1&2, 3&4, 5&6 as hot & cold; 7&8 as ground.


If I could find a 9-wire cat 5e, much better. ;)

Now, where can I find a snake box plus the xlr inputs?  :-D
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« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2009, 03:12:02 AM »

Now, where can I find a snake box plus the xlr inputs?  :-D
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yan din nga yung hanap ko skyjammer hehe..DIY din? ala alien_inside :-D
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« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2009, 04:12:59 AM »
yan din nga yung hanap ko skyjammer hehe..DIY din? ala alien_inside :-D

may nakita ako sa office mejo malalaking utp cables. hmmm... mukhang mahal tong mga to e.

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« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2009, 07:22:57 AM »
may nakita ako sa office mejo malalaking utp cables. hmmm... mukhang mahal tong mga to e.
ASTRIX CAT5E FTP Cable
he he... hanap ka ng taong nag i-install ng SMART BRO ( canopy )... Matibay yun..

DIY ka na lang ng BOX... If budget ang problema about XLRs, use PL55(TRS)... bale sa mixer inputs ka lang gagamit ng XLRs.Pero check yung manual ng mixer about its LINE & XLR INPUTS...Im very sure, mas mura and PL55s kaysa XLRs...

Inputs ko sa MIXER from my ADAT are BALANCED PL55s...im not sure kasi if other mixer brands have this.

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« Reply #45 on: May 18, 2009, 06:16:57 PM »
ASTRIX CAT5E FTP Cable
he he... hanap ka ng taong nag i-install ng SMART BRO ( canopy )... Matibay yun..

DIY ka na lang ng BOX... If budget ang problema about XLRs, use PL55(TRS)... bale sa mixer inputs ka lang gagamit ng XLRs.Pero check yung manual ng mixer about its LINE & XLR INPUTS...Im very sure, mas mura and PL55s kaysa XLRs...

Inputs ko sa MIXER from my ADAT are BALANCED PL55s...im not sure kasi if other mixer brands have this.



Hmmm... gusto ko sana bumili ng cable na to. FTP pala hindi UTP?
Ok lang naman sa budget ang XLR inputs I just need to know where to find stores that sell it cheaper. :)

I'm excited na sir. Baka may nakakaalam kung saang stores tong mga to. Please post nyo naman. :)

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« Reply #46 on: May 19, 2009, 02:52:40 AM »
Hmmm... gusto ko sana bumili ng cable na to. FTP pala hindi UTP?
Ok lang naman sa budget ang XLR inputs I just need to know where to find stores that sell it cheaper. :)

I'm excited na sir. Baka may nakakaalam kung saang stores tong mga to. Please post nyo naman. :)

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« Reply #47 on: May 19, 2009, 01:13:09 PM »
@skyjammer: Ilang meters ang kailangan mo? Saan mo gagamitin? Studio ba?
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« Reply #48 on: May 19, 2009, 04:26:32 PM »
@skyjammer: Ilang meters ang kailangan mo? Saan mo gagamitin? Studio ba?
Sa church bro. I'll start to list down what I need first. If I can find that cat 5e na Astrix I would probablt need 180 meters. That would give me 20 inputs and 4 outputs at 30 meters.

This is my list so far:

1. 180 meters Astrix Cat 5e FTP Cable
2. 20 female XLR inputs (I don't know what this is called)
3. 4 male XLR inputs
4. 20 male XLR jacks
5. 4 TRS jacks
6. Loads of tire wires to keep my FTP cables.

I just need to get the total price of these items then I'll propose it to our church council. It takes a while usually to get approval but I got used to it. :)

Ok, I think I need to start my own thread on this. :)

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« Reply #49 on: May 20, 2009, 03:46:45 PM »
Sa church bro. I'll start to list down what I need first. If I can find that cat 5e na Astrix I would probablt need 180 meters. That would give me 20 inputs and 4 outputs at 30 meters.

This is my list so far:

1. 180 meters Astrix Cat 5e FTP Cable
2. 20 female XLR inputs (I don't know what this is called)
3. 4 male XLR inputs
4. 20 male XLR jacks
5. 4 TRS jacks
6. Loads of tire wires to keep my FTP cables.

I just need to get the total price of these items then I'll propose it to our church council. It takes a while usually to get approval but I got used to it. :)

Hmmm, ... I could not comment on this project totally as I have not tried using cat5 or 6 cables as analog audio snakes, or for analog audio connection for that matter.  Now, if this was digital, no problem. 

XLR connectors come into two types.  Of course, male and female, and regular XLR connectors and panel (the one installed in a panel like a junction box) connectors. Normally, the panel connectors are female, if the connection is coming from the mic.

Regarding the FTP cables, my only gout would be on the insulation, grounding, flexibility (madali ba i-rolyo? Snake cable kasi) and durability.  You have to consider the fact that the cable is used mainly for install purposes - hindi ginagalaw pag naka install na.  A snake cable is designed for install and remove purposes (the studios I do are wired with ordinary line or mic cables, normally Belden, Mogami or another brand I cannot recall presently, not snake cables, for flexibility and better insulation).  Regarding conductivity, cat 5 cables would have (I suppose) the same amount of good conductivity characteristics as all other wires (including telephone wires). 

If you do it, let us know what has transpired.  You can probably do a response check later to see if it works okay as an audio cable.

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