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Re: Snake Cable
« Reply #50 on: May 20, 2009, 04:23:10 PM »
Im also not comfortable with your proposal to use cat5e as snake. It doesn't have shielding. Now if that were Cat 4 shielded twisted pair used for Token Ring, baka pwede pa.

The only known use of Cat5 in audio in my mind of course, is when car audio enthusiasts string up their speakers to their amplifiers. This application does not require shielding and many swear by the improvement in the sound. But for low-level analog signals like microphones, cat5e is inappropriate. IMHO of course.
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« Reply #51 on: May 20, 2009, 04:27:32 PM »
Another problem with using lan wires. The internal conductors of those are solid (not stranded) wire. something might snap and just one of those can cause you untold frustration.

You're better off using real microphone cables. If budget restricts, the P20 /meter "garden hose" variety is very good, for its price. Specially for short runs. Kung 10 meters each lang naman, sisiw lang yun wala ka pang maririnig na high-frequency loss.
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Re: Snake Cable
« Reply #52 on: May 20, 2009, 04:38:19 PM »
Thanks for the comments on F/UTP cables sirs. Now I really need to understand the audio part of this article:

http://www.spectrumelectronicsolutions.com/WHATUCANDOWITHCAT5.pdf

I find the article to technical for my pro-audio understanding at this moment. Hope you can enlighten me.

Thanks!

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Re: Snake Cable
« Reply #53 on: May 20, 2009, 09:36:09 PM »
The term " SNAKE " in this thread in my understanding means A PURPOSE and not as the SNAKE as we know ( flexible, rollable, durable... ) since the purpose only is to interconnect audio things in their CHURCH... not in MOBILE PA Reinforcement or Recording Studio Setup...

Then, its up to skyjammer if he still wants to use the CAT5e for the PURPOSE... If FIXED INSTALLATION, as mikep mentioned, regardless of other issues, OK yan...

I could SELL skyjammer my CAT5Es... but i dont have a single ROLL na 180 meters...
I ONLY HAVE 20meters, so if you need 180 meters, i'l sell you 9 rolls of 20 meters each...

The SOLID NOT STRANDED but TWISTED makes the TWO-WIRE unparallel, thus eliminating NOISE... ( correct me if im wrong )

Shielding... CAT5E STP and FTP are SHIELDED...UTP is NOT ( i still have 4kms total length of this )...
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Re: Snake Cable
« Reply #54 on: May 21, 2009, 02:34:47 AM »
The term " SNAKE " in this thread in my understanding means A PURPOSE and not as the SNAKE as we know ( flexible, rollable, durable... ) since the purpose only is to interconnect audio things in their CHURCH... not in MOBILE PA Reinforcement or Recording Studio Setup...

Then, its up to skyjammer if he still wants to use the CAT5e for the PURPOSE... If FIXED INSTALLATION, as mikep mentioned, regardless of other issues, OK yan...

I could SELL skyjammer my CAT5Es... but i dont have a single ROLL na 180 meters...
I ONLY HAVE 20meters, so if you need 180 meters, i'l sell you 9 rolls of 20 meters each...

The SOLID NOT STRANDED but TWISTED makes the TWO-WIRE unparallel, thus eliminating NOISE... ( correct me if im wrong )

Shielding... CAT5E STP and FTP are SHIELDED...UTP is NOT ( i still have 4kms total length of this )...

Sir pa-PM na lang ng price ng Cat5E please. Again, this might take long but I'll do my best. I can even do a test snake (a few muna) just to make sure.

Now, who has read the article on my previous post?  :roll: :roll: It mentions something about its (Cat5e) capacity to hold 40v of DC power. i want to know if it means it can only hold 40v max or if I'm not getting the article right. Phantom power is 48v right? Please help...


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Re: Snake Cable
« Reply #55 on: May 21, 2009, 03:30:44 AM »
txt me..about price...

Do you really need phantom power? Condenser ba lahat ng mics na gagamitin sa church?

i've read the article and says there, as I understand huh, each wire ( AWG24 ) can handle up to 40V...

48V? safe ka pa rin kasi Phantom Power is transmitted simultaneously on PINS 2 & 3... lets say 24V each wire... he he he.

OT: i'm not a cable salesman...


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Re: Snake Cable
« Reply #56 on: May 22, 2009, 09:12:59 PM »
txt me..about price...

Do you really need phantom power? Condenser ba lahat ng mics na gagamitin sa church?

i've read the article and says there, as I understand huh, each wire ( AWG24 ) can handle up to 40V...

48V? safe ka pa rin kasi Phantom Power is transmitted simultaneously on PINS 2 & 3... lets say 24V each wire... he he he.

OT: i'm not a cable salesman...




I might need phantom especially in the future. If I'm building a 24-ch snake I'd better gear it for phantom power. :D

OT: Mas malaki ba ang voltage ng Zohan Power keysa sa Phantom? :D :D (Joke to, pakitawa na lang.)

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« Reply #57 on: May 22, 2009, 10:38:33 PM »
From what I've read and understood from the article (I hope all the claims are true - there are internet articles that have false claims), the CAT 5 or the e version is capable of handling analog audio as well as video excellently.  Indeed a very flexible and usable cable.  For fixed purposes (not snake) it will do the job.  The only problem is, you can only have 4 pairs from one cable length, thus if you are doing 24 inputs, you would need 6 of those.  But the cost is a very important factor.  Being cheap gives it an advantage.  Again, my gout is on grounding and insulation.  But that is just me.

My whole house is cabled with cat 5e but I am using it mainly for internet and computer purposes only.  I have not tried using it for audio.  Probably when I find the time, I'll try it and give you my feedback.

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Re: Snake Cable
« Reply #58 on: May 22, 2009, 10:58:23 PM »
Again, my gout is on grounding and insulation.
Same predicament here sir.

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« Reply #59 on: May 27, 2009, 11:27:54 AM »
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« Reply #60 on: May 27, 2009, 03:29:52 PM »
Another problem with using lan wires. The internal conductors of those are solid (not stranded) wire. something might snap and just one of those can cause you untold frustration.

I remember reading something about individual wire surface area, high frequencies, and the reason why they use stranded wires for audio instead of solid... I think mikep is in a better situation to expound on this though.

Wow! Multi-pair standed wires in a cable... brings me back to my telecom days. The shielding in most ethernet cables use flat foil, not the braided shielding commonly found in audio. One thing I do know about solid, multipair twisted wires in cables is that they can be hard to route (or even coil onto a drum!). The solid wires don't give much flexibility and the minimum radius when bending is rather large compared to stranded. Now what was that term we used for shorted/grounded? Ahhh... YX! Z for open faults. I miss my handset... perfect for monitoring a conversation... hehe

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Re: Snake Cable
« Reply #61 on: July 07, 2012, 08:11:07 PM »
The term " SNAKE " in this thread in my understanding means A PURPOSE and not as the SNAKE as we know ( flexible, rollable, durable... ) since the purpose only is to interconnect audio things in their CHURCH... not in MOBILE PA Reinforcement or Recording Studio Setup...

Then, its up to skyjammer if he still wants to use the CAT5e for the PURPOSE... If FIXED INSTALLATION, as mikep mentioned, regardless of other issues, OK yan...

I could SELL skyjammer my CAT5Es... but i dont have a single ROLL na 180 meters...
I ONLY HAVE 20meters, so if you need 180 meters, i'l sell you 9 rolls of 20 meters each...

The SOLID NOT STRANDED but TWISTED makes the TWO-WIRE unparallel, thus eliminating NOISE... ( correct me if im wrong )

Shielding... CAT5E STP and FTP are SHIELDED...UTP is NOT ( i still have 4kms total length of this )...
tried ung CAT5E na walang shield.. maingay. i guess mic cable na lang siguro talaga choice ko.. or ipon na lang sa analog snake..
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Re: Snake Cable
« Reply #62 on: July 17, 2012, 09:29:27 PM »
Mga sir at pros. Gandang araw!
May question lang ako kasi i'm planning to make a DIY snake cable pero maikli lang, around 5 meters, 12 inputs.
Eto question ko: common ba ang grounding per channel ng isang mixer? meaning pwede ba yung ground ng channel one at two ay magkadikit?
Kasi I saw a belden wire with 18 wires sa loob tapos shielded xa. so if common yung grounding ng bawat channel i can use this wire.
Pareply naman ng inputs.
Nga pala yung stage box na 16/4 is around P3500. kaso walang available sa mga stores sa raon.

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« Reply #63 on: July 20, 2012, 11:08:56 AM »
Just want to share my DIY snake cable 12 inputs.
Cable used: stereo Swan cable (bought in Raon)



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Re: Snake Cable
« Reply #64 on: July 20, 2012, 12:36:34 PM »
@nathzkie

magkano yong 1 meter ng ganyang kable?

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meron sa Outdoor CAT-TP level na ganyan pero Im not sure kong sa mic, pero going to speaker walang problema.

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« Reply #65 on: July 20, 2012, 01:24:54 PM »
Sir, P14.50/meter pero kinuha ko yung 1 roll ng P1200 lang. Sa Deeco meron din pero wala kasi discount dun kaya inikot ko yung buong raon.

Inabot din ako ng P3800.
8 Meters lang to.

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« Reply #66 on: July 20, 2012, 03:23:29 PM »
Sir, P14.50/meter pero kinuha ko yung 1 roll ng P1200 lang. Sa Deeco meron din pero wala kasi discount dun kaya inikot ko yung buong raon.

Inabot din ako ng P3800.
8 Meters lang to.

how many meters ang 1 roll?

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Re: Snake Cable
« Reply #67 on: July 20, 2012, 03:38:00 PM »


Ganito yong sinubukan ko dati gumana sa sa speaker but Im not sure kong uubra sa mic. 12 pairs ito not shielded, solid masmalaki sa STP. Solid din yong balot nya. Meron din klase ng masmarami pa dito.

 :? I wonder pwepwede kaya sa inyo yong patch panel style?

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« Reply #68 on: July 20, 2012, 04:17:11 PM »
how many meters ang 1 roll?

Sir 100meters. Stereo na stranded ito. swan ang tawag nila.

yung gawa ng belden 18 wires + ground at sheild pero mukang hindi sya twisted.

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« Reply #69 on: July 20, 2012, 04:20:03 PM »
Sir 100meters. Stereo na stranded ito. swan ang tawag nila.

yung gawa ng belden 18 wires + ground at sheild pero mukang hindi sya twisted.

 :) ah 100meters pwede na iyan. itaas nalang siguro 

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« Reply #70 on: July 20, 2012, 04:28:15 PM »
oo nga e. kung may budget lang 30meters na sana gagawin ko. dudugtungan ko na lang later tapos ilalagay ko sa conduit. pahirapan din sa shrinkable tube e. pinutol-putol ko nga para magkasya. at mahal din yung tube, P56/meter.

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Re: Snake Cable
« Reply #71 on: July 21, 2012, 10:18:53 AM »
mga sir magtatanung lang po ako...anu po kaya ang magandang brand ng Snake Cable?

RMB Snake Cable
Live Snake Cable
Scorpio Snake Cable
Muzic Snake Cable

sa mga nakagamit na po alin po kaya dyan sa apat ang quality at matibay????

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Re: Snake Cable
« Reply #72 on: July 21, 2012, 06:21:33 PM »
mga sir magtatanung lang po ako...anu po kaya ang magandang brand ng Snake Cable?

RMB Snake Cable
Live Snake Cable
Scorpio Snake Cable
Muzic Snake Cable

sa mga nakagamit na po alin po kaya dyan sa apat ang quality at matibay????

post ka naman sir ng picture para makita naman namin ano itsura ng mga iyan

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Re: Snake Cable
« Reply #73 on: July 22, 2012, 12:11:42 PM »
Live lang familiar sa akin. 16/4-30meters (P9k sa Raygin sa Raon)

Kung may budget ka namn sir mag-quantum k nalang pero x3 ang price nya sa live.

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« Reply #74 on: July 22, 2012, 04:06:18 PM »
Live lang familiar sa akin. 16/4-30meters (P9k sa Raygin sa Raon)

Kung may budget ka namn sir mag-quantum k nalang pero x3 ang price nya sa live.
pwede bang bumili ng per meter lang?
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