Hand/Grip Technique Thread *merged*

[dasplinter]

eto medyo sales talk pero sagot sa problema mo to...mystery hand practice pads. hehe. mura lang.

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php?topic=64350.0

wow, tlaga?! customized?  ano yun? me nakalagay na pangalan ko pag bumili ako?  hmmm.. mukang maganda yan ah.. tga saan po kayo sir?

[drummerboy827]

Practice.

[kriz_dabu]

Singles. Doubles. Triplets. Then try mo Moeller technique. Ang trick jan is practice slowly until mafeel mo na ung vibe as days pass. Di naman kasi necessary na mabilis agad ang pagpalo, nasa timing and accuracy ng chops. Practice everyday and you'll see the difference, hindi mo man mamamalayan na bumibilis na pala! Pero suggestion ko talaga is ung Moeller technique, syempre prerequisites ang singles and doubles talaga. Hope this may help. 

[Saging]

Hey guys, baguhan lang sa forum, just wanna ask something, since this thread is already about Grip Technique. Sensya na lang kung nakaka gulo dahil luma na yung thread.

Anyways, sa mga traditional grip players. Nagkakaroon ba ng bruising yung areas kung saan nag papahinga yung stick ninyo, more specifically sa ring finger? Alam ko dapat sa mga knuckles nag papahinga yung mga sticks, pero di komportable sa akin yung dun siya nag papahinga, kaya nasa gitna ng first and second knuckle ng ring finger. Sa tingin niyo pabayaan ko na lang masanay yung daliri ko at tumigas na lang yung kalamnan niya o may mali ako sa ginagagawa ko?

[mambo]

IMO: parang pag tapak sa pedal lang yan e, wala daw maling paraan, nasa comfortability at kung gaano ka-effective yung method mo sa pagpalo mo.

nakakita na rin ako ng parang bosing nung mga drummer nun ROTC ko, pareho kayo maghawak....at magaling sya.

tip nalang:stick with your sweet spot, but explore. mas matututo ka kung susubukan mo yung iba at hindi ka nakastuck sa isang grip or in your case, yung paraan ng paghawak mo.

sana may naitulong.

[metalmuhlisha]

Hey guys, baguhan lang sa forum, just wanna ask something, since this thread is already about Grip Technique. Sensya na lang kung nakaka gulo dahil luma na yung thread.

Anyways, sa mga traditional grip players. Nagkakaroon ba ng bruising yung areas kung saan nag papahinga yung stick ninyo, more specifically sa ring finger? Alam ko dapat sa mga knuckles nag papahinga yung mga sticks, pero di komportable sa akin yung dun siya nag papahinga, kaya nasa gitna ng first and second knuckle ng ring finger. Sa tingin niyo pabayaan ko na lang masanay yung daliri ko at tumigas na lang yung kalamnan niya o may mali ako sa ginagagawa ko?

go watch jojo mayer's dvd (ehem legally or otherwise), it's a bible for technique. siguradong ma-iimprove mo technique mo dun, intindihin mo lang.

my opinion is that if you're hurting yourself, then there's something wrong with how you approach your technique. (italicized because i also believe that there is no right or wrong way with drumming, only bad choices and approaches)

my humble 2 cents.

[Darel]

as for me,nasa comfortability na siguro yun ng isang drummer kung anung technique yung gagamitin niya.. the important thing is, malinaw mong madedeliver yung drum lines mo... hindi yung puro technique eh malabo naman yung pagpalo mo,wala rin...

ako mas comfortable ako sa american grip.. hehe

[Saging]

my opinion is that if you're hurting yourself, then there's something wrong with how you approach your technique. (italicized because i also believe that there is no right or wrong way with drumming, only bad choices and approaches)

Yun nga naisip ko eh, thanks for the advice though. Nabalitaan ko yung DVD ni Mayer, pinanood ko yung previews sa YouTube, hahahaha. Thanks again for the tips.

[l_e_i_g_h]

oo...tama....meron naman siguro may kopya na magpapahiram. 

go watch jojo mayer's dvd

[kimpoy19]

wow!

akala ko, 2 lang yung grips. 

[kimpoy19]

haha! palo ako ng palo, nagagawa ko na pala yung mga ibang grips bukod pa sa traditional at match. 

[metalmuhlisha]

kung sino naman pong mabilis mag one hand 16th notes sa hihat, patulong po.

recently ko lang kasi nadiskubre na ito ang weakness ko. mas mabilis pa nga yung kaliwa ko kahit right-handed ako. kahit pag dating sa blast beat, yung kaliwa talaga mas malakas (dahil siguro sa practice).

kaya ko mag 16th note nang mabilis sa kanan, pero ride lang (iba kasi yung feel), pero pag dating sa hihat, nag-tetense tas parang nagiging [chewbacca] ulit ako magdrums.

kung may tips or exercises kayo diyan na ginawa kaya kayo bumilis, post niyo naman. ang ginagawa ko lang kasi ngayon RRRR LLLL (and various permutations) e.

PS. french grip/finger technique po gamit ko, kaya [chewbacca] ako sa german grip/palm down/wrist. hindi rin ako willing mag invest ng time para sa push-pull technique. finger all the way po ako.

[plep]

buti ka pa nga alam mo yung tawag sa mga techniques / grips e. ako, ginagawa ko lang sila nang di ko alam ano tawag sa kanila 

tips? hmm

di sapat ang RRRR LLLL. subukan mo RRRRRRR (ad infinitum) hanngang mangawit. pahinga onti, tas RRRRRRR... ulit. kahit di muna mabilis. para lang makuha ng kamay mo yung diretso na walang tigil. darating din ang bilis niyan e.

tsaka... relax ka lang. habang mas iniisip mo yan, mas matetense lang lalo kamay mo.

[metalmuhlisha]

@plep
yep ginagawa ko din yung RRRR to infinity. haha. yan din siguro yung sagot na inaasahan ko. nagbabaka sakali lang ako na sana may shortcut (kahit alam kong wala). salamat sa pag reaffirm.

na-frustrate lang kasi ako, parang kahit papano ok na yung ibang aspect, tapos na-discover ko na di ko kaya yung mabilis na kanan sa hihats.

badtrip pa kasi usually ibang tao frustration sa foot speed/chops, yung akin baliktad, kanang kamay pa. medyo nakakalungkot lang na nakaka-baba ng damdamin (haha).

oh well matagal-tagal na praktis nanaman to.

[marko21]

Eto rin ang weakness ko! 

[metalmuhlisha]

Eto rin ang weakness ko! 

welcome to the club, brad! XD

ngayon may katabi nanaman akong unan dito sa pc, parang dati nung nagsisimula palang ako, gabi gabi akong nagprapraktis ng singles, doubles at paradiddles. haha. ayos. back to basics. RRRR!

[wireme]

same here kaso left handed talaga ako kaya problem talaga ang right hand ko

[curry]

My left hand is always slower and i notice that this slows me down. It can't reach the pace of my right hand. what I know is that what the right can do, the left should also do. Sometimes I play some beats with my left hand playing the hi-hats(open-handed) so my left gets properly oriented with what my right  used to do the normal way.Well this is just my simple way of exercising my left hand, but I still do continuous tapping with my left as often as I can.

[IncX]

PS. french grip/finger technique po gamit ko, kaya [chewbacca] ako sa german grip/palm down/wrist. hindi rin ako willing mag invest ng time para sa push-pull technique. finger all the way po ako.

i learned how to do the palm down thing within a week... and i had no real drum training prior to that... i think you'll learn faster than i did.

i also read that french grip, makes you susceptible to carpal tunnel syndrome. i agree with this because i thought id wanna use the french grip (looks cooler), but i noticed that it puts more stress on my wrist rather than the more natural palm down position.

im not very fast with my blast beats ... but i can do decent speed on both my left and right (right is still faster when push comes to shove though).

[metalmuhlisha]

@incx
what i meant was i'm not comfortable doing german grip; never was. most people use it though, i just never became comfortable with it. i wish i was though because there's more power in it as compared to french grip.

french grip might make a drummer more susceptible to carpal tunnel syndrome, but i think as long as you do it right, it won't be a factor which type of grip a person uses. imo.

besides, with the french grip, you're supposed to be using the radius ulna, and fingers most of the time, not the wrist primarily, because that's just uncomfortable.

(info came from jojo mayer's dvd btw. it's an awesome encyclopedia on technique.)

and oh, don't worry about speeding up your blastbeats. speed will come in time, with correct practice and dedication. feel is much more important. even the really fast people will tell you that. good luck dude.

[inigo]

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[phfreq]

isa sa mga exercises ni johnny rabb eh

RRRR RRRR RRRR RRRR LRLR LLLL LLLL LLLL LLLL

(using whatever grip you're comfortable with) (practicing with the right hand on the hihat and left on the snare).

basically 4 bars of 16ths tapos isang transitional bar na LRLR para mapunta sa kabilang hand then another 4 bars of 16ths para dun sa kabilang hand.

Tapos habang bumibilis na dyan, try to lessen the number of bars so magiging 3 bars of R, transition then 3 bars of L.. hanggang sa maging tig-isang bar na lang...

kung sa hihats tapos finger technique, try to watch how johnny rabb does it. Tapos yung finger valving technique ni jojo mayer might also work.

Nakikita ko din minsan ginagawa ni rabb na ung stick is placed on top of the hihat, tapos hawak ung stick sa gitna tapos ung head of the stick hits the hihat area farther from you and area of the hihat near you with the butt end of the stick.

Napansin ko din na sa hihats, mas madali ko nagagawa ung mabilis kung lighter and thinner sticks ang gamit ko. Lalo na ung maple sticks (as opposed to the regular hickory).

or you could also try using one of these
http://store.drumbum.com/slapstiks-drumsticks-stix.htm

hth..

[Dheniz]

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+1 kaso naka focus ata cya sa french grip/finger technique, tulad rin ng sabi nya na ayaw niya mag laan ng time pag aralan ang ibang method, tingin ko drumpad lang katapat nyan kahit anong oras at kahit saan gamit ng technique na nakasanayan mo, dadating rin yan, more patience + more dedication = minimithi   

[andreiandrei]

ang hirap pala nang moeller. haha! papraktisin ko na to! hehe!

[metalmuhlisha]

@inigo and dheniz (kung technique lang paguusapan malamang ikaw ang taong dapat lapitan dito haha)

yung full-on moeller technique di ko din masyadong natagalan kasi german grip ko siya nakita dun sa dvd ni jojo mayer.

kaya medyo sinubukan kong ipasok sa grip ko ewan ko kung tama; ina-apply ko yung principle na whipping motion pag dating sa accent. yun nga lang pag nag-whip yun arm or forearm hindi wrist yung gumagana, kundi nag-tuturn lang ng onti yung kamay ko (radius ulna lol! dami ko talaga natutunan kay jojo mayer.) dati kasi pag accent using wrist parang nakaka-stress e. yun nga baka magka-tendonitis(sp?) kaya binago ko.

ok lang ba yun o tama ba yung ginagawa ko? i think si marco minnemann ganun din gamit (finger + moeller) pero ewan ko kung ganun yung ginagawa ko.

oo nga pala ngayon ko lang napansin nung nasa klase ako tas nag papraktis ng RRRR sa hita-- nakita ko yung mali ng kanan ko kaya siya bumabagal. yung kaliwa ko kasi kung bumibilis nagiging loose lalo, yung sa kanan ang nangyayari yung thumb masyadong humihigpit sa grip. yung kaliwa ko kasi medyo naka curve na "U" yung thumb, yung sa kanan nag-tetense yung thumb. ayun inayos ko na, medyo bumilis narin pero mas mabilis parin kaliwa. pero ayun feel ko dere-derecho na tong progress. nadiskubre ko na yung mali e. praktis nalang. hehe. (nagulat talaga ako ngayon ko lang napansin to.)

@phfreq
thanks for that exercise, i'll try to practice it in class/on pillows/etc. lagi na kong may dalang mas mabigat na stick ngayon para kung walang magawa sa class may speed practice ako.

pinanood ko lang yung valving technique tas umayaw na ko e. same with the push-pull. hirap talaga, kelangan talaga dedication at tiyaga e. wala ako nun pag dating sa pagaaral ng bagong techniques, kasi mas focused ako sa musicianship/groove. si dheniz nakita ko na dati mag push-pull, ang galing at ang bilis.