Author Topic: Consistency,Tempo and Timing (Read 3077 times)

vhinming · « **on:** February 11, 2010, 07:02:04 PM »

Fellow Drummer, i need your help, this is the situation.

since i started playing drums two years ago, no one personally teach'ed me,

and i think some of you didn't also.

i play drums only with my speakers and sounds, i just keep on following songs

so i just keep on practicing different kinds of beats and rollings, but then i realize when i take a video

i saw and hear that in random circumstances, i'm being out of timing
(that i thought that i was in timing, during that time)

how can i fix it??, please help

NiardicA · « **Reply #1 on:** February 11, 2010, 07:50:17 PM »

here are some ways:

1. try a metronome or a click ( i think meron sa ibang Zoom guitar effects nito, even sa keyboards) - for rhythm and timing consistency

2. Headphone/ear muffs - for you to muff some of the noise (like guitars and vocals)

3. Air Drumming - Try this very helpfull lalu n sakin...

4. Drum Pad - habang sinasabayan ang song na trip mo...

daleee · « **Reply #2 on:** February 11, 2010, 08:00:16 PM »

get a decent metronome like korg ma-30 (because it has quarter, eighth, sixteenth and triplets that you can practice) and a practice pad... when you practice especially with eighth, sixteenth and triplets, keep in mind that you have strike your practice pad or drums exactly in time with the click...

digidikdik · « **Reply #3 on:** February 11, 2010, 08:11:44 PM »

Daily practice helps a lot dude...

vhinming · « **Reply #4 on:** February 11, 2010, 08:22:55 PM »

author=NiardicA
here are some ways:

1. try a metronome or a click ( i think meron sa ibang Zoom guitar effects nito, even sa keyboards) - for rhythm and timing consistency

-sir sorry for noob question, pero panu po or saan sya pwede i apply o gamitin

2. Headphone/ear muffs - for you to muff some of the noise (like guitars and vocals)

-ok na po ba yung headset na sakop yung ears??

3. Air Drumming - Try this very helpfull lalu n sakin...

-with stick po ba sir pag nag air drums?, ginagawa ko po madalas sa unan.

4. Drum Pad - habang sinasabayan ang song na trip mo...

-balak ko sir mag improvise nalang, like wood na may rubber padding like interior ng gulong ng bike ^_^ pwede na kaya yun sir? as long may rebound

salamat po ng madami!!

vhinming · « **Reply #5 on:** February 11, 2010, 08:32:52 PM »

Quote from: daleee on February 11, 2010, 08:00:16 PM

get a decent metronome like korg ma-30 (because it has quarter, eighth, sixteenth and triplets that you can practice) and a practice pad... when you practice especially with eighth, sixteenth and triplets, keep in mind that you have strike your practice pad or drums exactly in time with the click...

sir thats my BIG problem

since i had nothing but myself to teach, hindi po ako marunong ng intermediate nor basic reading identifying of notes, "when you practice especially with eighth, sixteenth and triplets"

nalulungkot po talaga ako masyado sa kawalan ko ng kaalaman sa important na knowledge gaya nyan T_T

may you please give me a thought or basic example for that? maybe nagagawa ko sya hindi ko lang po alam ang tawag or ang count

@sir digidikdik: i play with my sounds every afternoon 4:30-6pm, mai consider na po ba na practice yun??

mga sir maraming salamat po talaga sa concern nyo sa pag tulong

Riff_6603 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 12, 2010, 05:02:28 AM »

Quote from: daleee on February 11, 2010, 08:00:16 PM

get a decent metronome like korg ma-30 (because it has quarter, eighth, sixteenth and triplets that you can practice) and a practice pad... when you practice especially with eighth, sixteenth and triplets, keep in mind that you have strike your practice pad or drums exactly in time with the click...

+100 to that!

- regarding note reading, bumili ka lang ng drum mags or online madaming tutorials on how to read notes.. ako man walang nagturo sa akin, self study lang lahat ako all the way.. tsaka ung practice time mo 4:30 to 6pm everyday swerte ka na! ako nga once a week lang kada off nakaka-practice, 8PM to 10PM lang ako nakaka-jam sa set ko.. when not in my set, laging aral online ako (habang nag-philmusic sabay practice sa pad) madaming paraan, just open up your willingness to learn bro! cheers!

francisnuega · « **Reply #7 on:** February 12, 2010, 02:37:07 PM »

yup get a metronome...ayos lang yan pre parehas tayo hehehe

drumachine · « **Reply #8 on:** February 12, 2010, 05:25:14 PM »

nood ka lang sa youtube bro. then apply mo yung techniques. yung metronome, isa yan sa pnakaimportanteng gamit ng musikero. madali lang naman yun gamitin. kung mejo out of budget ka, merong mga downloadable na metronome sa net. once you've heard it, for sure malalaman mo kung panu sya gagamitin.

Redplatez_fire · « **Reply #9 on:** February 12, 2010, 06:23:48 PM »

my friend if you have metronome use it as guide but you dont have use your hihat as your time keeper how? everytime your practicing sticking or rudiments keep your hihat in quarter or moderate tempo and if your comfortable in always doing it then try it, make a beat while your hihat is playing consistently using your left foot. i hope it can help you keep it up my friend lets continue to learn Godbless,...

wilpredo · « **Reply #10 on:** February 12, 2010, 06:43:28 PM »

metronome

i use Matrix MR500, mura lang 'to pero it does the job. start slow. pag wala kang ginagawa, salang ka ng metronome. kahit wala ka sa practice pads or drumset, basta naririnig mo yung click ng metronome didikit na yan sa utak mo hehe

may mga metronome na magaganda ngayon, accented na yung 1. mas ok yun

as for note reading, sobrang daming resouces sa paligid natin lalo na sa internet. hanap hanap ka lang sa tabi tabi

eto example ng counting (try lang

)

1 2 3 4 = Quarter note

1 n 2 n 3 n 4 n = Eighth note

1 - e - n - a - 2 - e - n - a - 3 - e - n - a - 4 - e - n - a = Sixteenth Note

1 - trip - let - 2 - trip - let - 3 - trip - let - 4 - trip - let = Triplets

try mo kantahin yung countings bro, mas madali hehe

kung may mali mga fellow drummers, paki correct na lang hehe

*kung may metronome ka, ung mga color red na numbers yan yung bilang sa every click ng metronome. kaya start slow hehe

sana nakatulong to bro

NiardicA · « **Reply #11 on:** February 12, 2010, 07:13:28 PM »

here are some ways:
1. try a metronome or a click ( i think meron sa ibang Zoom guitar effects nito, even sa keyboards) - for rhythm and timing consistency
-sorry for noob question, pero panu po or saan sya pwede i apply o gamitin
I think Zoom G2 may metronome/click - para sa consistency ng speed, pag nag recording ka, lalu na sa digital track recording meron kang maririnig na click.. na most of the time mawawala ka sa timing... I got that lesson learned the hard way..
2. Headphone/ear muffs - for you to muff some of the noise (like guitars and vocals)
-ok na po ba yung headset na sakop yung ears??
siguro?? never tried those pa eh...
3. Air Drumming - Try this very helpfull lalu n sakin...
-with stick po ba sir pag nag air drums?, ginagawa ko po madalas sa unan.
Aba, pareho tayo...
4. Drum Pad - habang sinasabayan ang song na trip mo...
-balak ko sir mag improvise nalang, like wood na may rubber padding like interior ng gulong ng bike ^_^ pwede na kaya yun sir? as long may rebound

Lam mo yung ginagamit na pading na parang puzzle na pang baby?? yung dati ang improvise drum pad ko, gamit ko lang 5a sticks.

Hope this help... wag naman Idol... parepareho lang ang talent natin dito...

NiardicA · « **Reply #12 on:** February 12, 2010, 07:16:12 PM »

Quote from: wilpredo on February 12, 2010, 06:43:28 PM

metronome i use Matrix MR500, mura lang 'to pero it does the job. start slow. pag wala kang ginagawa, salang ka ng metronome. kahit wala ka sa practice pads or drumset, basta naririnig mo yung click ng metronome didikit na yan sa utak mo hehe

may mga metronome na magaganda ngayon, accented na yung 1. mas ok yun

as for note reading, sobrang daming resouces sa paligid natin lalo na sa internet. hanap hanap ka lang sa tabi tabi

eto example ng counting (try lang )

1 2 3 4 = Quarter note

1 n 2 n 3 n 4 n = Eighth note

1 - e - n - a - 2 - e - n - a - 3 - e - n - a - 4 - e - n - a = Sixteenth Note

1 - trip - let - 2 - trip - let - 3 - trip - let - 4 - trip - let = Triplets

try mo kantahin yung countings bro, mas madali hehe

kung may mali mga fellow drummers, paki correct na lang hehe

*kung may metronome ka, ung mga color red na numbers yan yung bilang sa every click ng metronome. kaya start slow hehe

sana nakatulong to bro

Parang yung nos. in red, yan din yung bass....tama ba??? di talaga ako natuto ng note reading.. self thought power tyo...

wilpredo · « **Reply #13 on:** February 12, 2010, 07:29:34 PM »

Quote from: NiardicA on February 12, 2010, 07:16:12 PM

Parang yung nos. in red, yan din yung bass....tama ba??? di talaga ako natuto ng note reading.. self thought power tyo...

ako din self taught, ang dami yata nating ganun hehe

bass.. kick? hindi bro. sa simula sa kamay lang sya para madali ang basic counting, hit mo sa hi-hat. tapos yung mga red number, i-accent mo para di ka mawala sa bilang. or pwede mo din kantahin habang ginagawa mo sya

pwede din sa bass(kick) pero pag kumportable kana, mas madali kasi sya i-practice pag sa hi-hat lang muna

NiardicA · « **Reply #14 on:** February 12, 2010, 07:33:11 PM »

nahh.... eversince di ko binalak mag note reading... 1993 ako nag start drumming.. why change may style... tenga tenga at nood ng live concerts lang ang puhunan natin dyan

daleee · « **Reply #15 on:** February 12, 2010, 07:34:31 PM »

Quote from: NiardicA on February 12, 2010, 07:16:12 PM

Parang yung nos. in red, yan din yung bass....tama ba??? di talaga ako natuto ng note reading.. self thought power tyo...

yes, but not always, you can put the bass in between, even two bass beats in between (called bass triplets)

Quote from: Redplatez_fire on February 12, 2010, 06:23:48 PM

my friend if you have metronome use it as guide but you dont have use your hihat as your time keeper how? everytime your practicing sticking or rudiments keep your hihat in quarter or moderate tempo and if your comfortable in always doing it then try it, make a beat while your hihat is playing consistently using your left foot. i hope it can help you keep it up my friend lets continue to learn Godbless,...

yeah, that could work but you can't train for consistency and tempo since you are just relying on your left foot for tempo not a metronome that will not slow down or go faster...

wilpredo · « **Reply #16 on:** February 12, 2010, 08:00:14 PM »

Quote from: NiardicA on February 12, 2010, 07:33:11 PM

nahh.... eversince di ko binalak mag note reading... 1993 ako nag start drumming.. why change may style... tenga tenga at nood ng live concerts lang ang puhunan natin dyan

oh ok bro, i mean self taught din ako since nagstart ako nung 1996 then i learned basic counting and note reading through the internet and other resources. well tenga tenga lang din naman ako pag nag-aaral ng songs pero for some reason kinailangan ko din ang note reading and counting. every drummer may kanya kanyang preference naman e and for me, siguro dahil sa work ko na din ang pagtugtog, malaking bagay para sa akin na natutunan ko yung mga ganito

to bro vhinming: sana nakatulong yung lahat ng tips na nasabi dito. practice lang and patience makukuha mo din yan. happy drumming bro

vhinming · « **Reply #17 on:** February 13, 2010, 12:12:43 AM »

@ sir Riff_66603: sir madaming salamat po ^_^, tama po, dapat ko i maximize/organize yung time na meron ako, na realize ko din na maswerte din ako sir

and yeah sir, i'm near leaving skate life for focusing on drums

@ sir francisnuega: pinag iipunan ko na po sir thanks po sa tip

@ sir drumachine: si thanks, for now siguro mag download muna ako

sana po mayroon sa cellphone na metronome application nuh??

@ sir Redplatez_fire: yah sir ginagawa ko na po yun pero mejo nawawalawala pdain sa timing pagkatapos ng rolling.

@ sir wilpredo: whaw sir!! thanks!! malaking tulong po yan! yan po yung hinahanap ko, yung "en 1 en 2 en 3 en 4 etc. nahuli mo po yun!

thanks po

@ sir NiardicA: pareho pala tayo sir hehe kinig kinig lang hehe sabay palo sa unan hehe, kaso po mas angat na angat na kayo

opo alam ko po yun, kaso maingay po ehehehe pag gabi nah

@ sir daleee: mejo nawawala pa din po talaga ako lalu na pag rolling ng 16 notes (tama ba?) ayun pagkatapos, mabilis na tempo ko nun

pero naaalis ko din naman po, nagagamot nah,

Salamat po ng Sobra sa Time n Effort nyo sa pag tulong mga sir malaking tulong po talaga God Bless po Happy Drumming!

daleee · « **Reply #18 on:** February 13, 2010, 12:50:27 AM »

^sori dko magets yung sinabi mo sakin, parephrase, sori...

archraven_012 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 13, 2010, 02:42:58 AM »

back to basic bro...

everything is important....

mas madali magbreakdown ng tugtug kapag alam mo basic...marami sa youtube nito...<<mga basic beats>>

if your willing enough to learn makukuha mo tong mga toh...

ako nag self study din tapos nuod nuod sa mga banda at kilala kong drummer kapag may rehearsal cla...especially mag online para malaman mo yung gus2 mong matutunan then kapag may pagkakataon drum clinic attend agad...hehehe

lastly practice dun sa gus2 mong matutunan...start slow hanngang bumilis sa gus2 mong beat....kung meron metronome that's the best thing to have....

SAITOHAJIME · « **Reply #20 on:** February 13, 2010, 10:26:04 AM »

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back to basic bro...

+1! Back to the basics...wag kang mahiya kung babalik ka doon. Try mo itong site na to:

www.freedrumlessons.com <- dyan ako natuto ng 1-e-and-a-2-e-and-a-3-e.....

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sana po mayroon sa cellphone na metronome application nuh??

meron nyan pero dapat medyo advanced ang cp mo. Meron akong na free to dl na metronome on my Nokia5800, no need to buy one. Kung di pwede sa cp mo, kahit sa mp3 player lang. I-record mo na lang ang mga target BPM mo tapos play mo na lang hehehe.

Riff_6603 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 13, 2010, 12:06:57 PM »

meron din topic dito makakatulong sa improvement!

METRONOME/CLICK TRACK thread
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php?topic=9883.0

akin IPOD ko lang ang gamit ko na metronome.. download it here FREE!
http://www.reztronics.com/prod01.htm

meron din cel-based metronome; read on!

Quote from: pinoymusika on September 17, 2006, 07:32:02 PM

Ok! I found the email. The programmer is Randy Da Silva, he works for SMART. He's also a drummer. Here's his email, just contact him directly:

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From: rfdasilva@smart.com.ph

Hi everyone!

I recently created a metronome program for Mobile Phones that support
Java MIDP 2.0.

To anyone who's interested, I'm selling the program for fifty
pesos(P50.00). This includes version 1.0 and all subsequent major
releases (1.1, 1.2, 1.3......). This, however, does not include new
versions(2.0, 3.0, 4.0......).

Currently, it's a very simple program with the following basic features:

-Adjustment of Beats per Minute (BPM)

-Adjustment of Tone

-Adjustment of Volume

Just contact me at 0918-3371758 or reply to me privately if interested.
I'll send you the program and have you try it out. If you're happy with
it, then you can pay me. If you're not happy, then just delete it, or
continue using it minus the clear conscience. =)

Thanks!

Randy

vhinming · « **Reply #22 on:** February 15, 2010, 10:04:20 AM »

Waw, tama po, yun babalik muna po ako sa Basic ^_^, ang totoo po kasi, wala pa ako naatenan na drum clinic Ni Isa T_T hehe

thanks po mga sir ^_^ sobra

cs_mapper · « **Reply #23 on:** February 28, 2010, 06:00:04 AM »

Quote from: NiardicA on February 11, 2010, 07:50:17 PM

here are some ways:

1. try a metronome or a click ( i think meron sa ibang Zoom guitar effects nito, even sa keyboards) - for rhythm and timing consistency

2. Headphone/ear muffs - for you to muff some of the noise (like guitars and vocals)

3. Air Drumming - Try this very helpfull lalu n sakin...

4. Drum Pad - habang sinasabayan ang song na trip mo...

those ear muffs used either by shooters or pilots are really are helpful to nail those beats and accents to mere perfection. kahit earphones tapos takpan ng earmuff lang gamitin mo makakasabay ka na ng maigi sa music basta totally isolated yung drums bukod lalu pa gaganda tunog ng drums. kumbaga eh parang binaba mo ng 3 yung volume ng drums para marinig mo mabuti yung music at mas masasabayan mo ng maigi ganyan lang naman teknik ng mga studio drummers.

also find some minus one (without drums) songs for drummers kasi madali sumabay sa music na may drums na pero yung ala hehe medyo mahirap lalu na kung old school jazz.

don't forget to re3cord yourself .

vhinming · « **Reply #24 on:** March 01, 2010, 12:50:20 AM »

Quote from: cs_mapper on February 28, 2010, 06:00:04 AM

those ear muffs used either by shooters or pilots are really are helpful to nail those beats and accents to mere perfection. kahit earphones tapos takpan ng earmuff lang gamitin mo makakasabay ka na ng maigi sa music basta totally isolated yung drums bukod lalu pa gaganda tunog ng drums. kumbaga eh parang binaba mo ng 3 yung volume ng drums para marinig mo mabuti yung music at mas masasabayan mo ng maigi ganyan lang naman teknik ng mga studio drummers.

also find some minus one (without drums) songs for drummers kasi madali sumabay sa music na may drums na pero yung ala hehe medyo mahirap lalu na kung old school jazz.

don't forget to re3cord yourself .

thanks sir!! thats a big nice idea!! kaso mejo mahirap yata mag hanap ng mga drum minus one na songs na gusto ko ehehe

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