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Offline jplacson

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« on: June 12, 2006, 04:15:43 PM »
Hey does anyone know where I can buy acoustic foam tiles like the ones here in the Phil?



The one on top... the dark gray kind.  Thanks!
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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2006, 04:51:39 PM »
hmmmm same question here.... the same surface as the white one, you could but it at any Uratex outlet.. but the grey, black one is more appealing.. san kaya meron ganyan??/
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2006, 01:24:57 PM »
insulation 10mm ok na yan, yan ang gamit ko minsan nasa pag control na rin ng sound lalo sa drums dapat moderate na pumalo

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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2006, 12:35:02 PM »
luminamusic, you know where I can get foam like that?  Please give more info.  Thanks! :)
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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2006, 10:09:26 AM »
sa ace hardware


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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2006, 10:14:29 AM »
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sa ace hardware


how much? per piece ba yan o per yard/meter?

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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2006, 03:09:27 PM »
luminamusic, is that the 12" x 12" foam with holes in it?  Kasi I could see any that looked like the diffuser boards in the photo I posted.  I don't need insulation foam.  I need it to get rid of a problem wall.  I've seen a few other substitutes... but I like the way that particular foam pattern looks.  I've seen it used in a few theaters here, so i was HOPING it was locally available.
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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2006, 01:18:31 AM »
about foams pde ka mag pa customize sa uratex alabang.. yung main plant ata nila yun..
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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2006, 10:00:18 AM »
naka technic na rin kung papano mo ilalagay yong mga soundproffing gears and acoustic, basta all i know nagawa namin siya sa studio namin, hindi na rin kailangang mag pa customized gastos lang yon, dapat practical na rin, well dito sa amin tested na.

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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2006, 04:36:02 PM »
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about foams pde ka mag pa customize sa uratex alabang.. yung main plant ata nila yun..


Are the foams from Uratex rated for audio? For such foam to be effective, air has to be able to pass through it. Foam also has to be at least 2 inches thick to have an effect with 4 inches recommended. Foam also does not make an effective bass trap. FYI, the foams in the pic above look like Auralex products.

Here's an excellent article by Ethan Winer on how to DIY your own bass trap; the only probem is finding 1" rigid fiberglass - this article was printed in Electronic Musician June 1995 (which I fortunately have).
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« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2006, 06:25:02 PM »
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about foams pde ka mag pa customize sa uratex alabang.. yung main plant ata nila yun..


Are the foams from Uratex rated for audio? For such foam to be effective, air has to be able to pass through it. Foam also has to be at least 2 inches thick to have an effect with 4 inches recommended. Foam also does not make an effective bass trap. FYI, the foams in the pic above look like Auralex products.

Here's an excellent article by Ethan Winer on how to DIY your own bass trap; the only probem is finding 1" rigid fiberglass - this article was printed in Electronic Musician June 1995 (which I fortunately have).



sir kitC ganito ba setup ng recording studio mo? baka may pics ka sir panu mo accoustic recording room mo.. thanks..
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« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2006, 06:39:36 PM »
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sir kitC ganito ba setup ng recording studio mo? baka may pics ka sir panu mo accoustic recording room mo.. thanks..


Admittedly, my midi project studio is not equipped for recording vocals or miked audio simply because I changed my emphasis to midi and mostly audio post mixing (and also since I have relocated to my bedroom - impossible to record a band there). I do most of my vocals and/or miked recordings at Millet Jacinto's or even Shinji's since they're both good friends of mine, and they have better mics than I do (AKG C414 for the former and Blue Baby Bottle/Neumann U-87 at the latter). I even recall Millet having the same Auralex foam in her control room; I haven't been to Shinji's yet after the renov.
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« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2006, 07:02:40 PM »
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about foams pde ka mag pa customize sa uratex alabang.. yung main plant ata nila yun..


Are the foams from Uratex rated for audio? For such foam to be effective, air has to be able to pass through it. Foam also has to be at least 2 inches thick to have an effect with 4 inches recommended. Foam also does not make an effective bass trap. FYI, the foams in the pic above look like Auralex products.

Here's an excellent article by Ethan Winer on how to DIY your own bass trap; the only probem is finding 1" rigid fiberglass - this article was printed in Electronic Musician June 1995 (which I fortunately have).



sir kitC ganito ba setup ng recording studio mo? baka may pics ka sir panu mo accoustic recording room mo.. thanks..



tama si sir kitc hindi basta-basta yan! i agree

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« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2006, 07:10:09 PM »
yeah mahirap nga ito gawin.. just want to gain knowlege how to acoustic a room.. at least may idea ako.. basically i just want my proposed studio to be comfortable for my clients... kaya for now foam lang muna.. pero ng ka interest lang ako dun sa mga bass traps.. im just wondering sir kitC kasi sa bass trap diba may surface na plywood.. so diba mag bounce parin dun mga high freq? tama ba?? thanks.
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« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2006, 08:44:51 PM »
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yeah mahirap nga ito gawin.. just want to gain knowlege how to acoustic a room.. at least may idea ako.. basically i just want my proposed studio to be comfortable for my clients... kaya for now foam lang muna.. pero ng ka interest lang ako dun sa mga bass traps.. im just wondering sir kitC kasi sa bass trap diba may surface na plywood.. so diba mag bounce parin dun mga high freq? tama ba?? thanks.


I had prepared a rather lengthy reply when I remembered Ethan Winer's site. In a sense, why reinvent the wheel when it's all there? If you go here, Ethan explains the rationale to the where, why and how of bass traps, absorbers and diffusers and how to treat for recording rooms and mix positions.
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« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2006, 12:22:03 AM »
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yeah mahirap nga ito gawin.. just want to gain knowlege how to acoustic a room.. at least may idea ako.. basically i just want my proposed studio to be comfortable for my clients... kaya for now foam lang muna.. pero ng ka interest lang ako dun sa mga bass traps.. im just wondering sir kitC kasi sa bass trap diba may surface na plywood.. so diba mag bounce parin dun mga high freq? tama ba?? thanks.


I had prepared a rather lengthy reply when I remembered Ethan Winer's site. In a sense, why reinvent the wheel when it's all there? If you go here, Ethan explains the rationale to the where, why and how of bass traps, absorbers and diffusers and how to treat for recording rooms and mix positions.



great site sir kitC! ganun pala yun. hehehe.. kala ko kelangan foam lahat ng room.. at least may idea na ako ngayon panu acoustic ang room...


now i need to know where to get those supplies! heheh..

salamat sir!
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« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2006, 02:17:37 AM »
Kit, the Uratex foam is for dampening... not diffusion.  I have their foam between my walls just to minimize outside noise.  My problem is slapback.  I was looking at some Auralex stuff in the US... kinda bulky to bring in.

I'm also not too fond of the pyramid pattern.  As per my understanding, the dark grey foam I'm looking for (like in the photo with the ||E ||E pattern) also acts as mini traps for higher frequencies aside from diffusing them.

I've padded a few problem spots and it has helped, but Uratex acoustic foam is flat and closed cell foam, so surface is smooth and does generate SOME reverb.  It's not like packing foam.

**Another note, guys and gals... please don't just stick packing sponge foam on your walls.  These usually aren't fire rated and WILL go up in a flash and emit highly toxic fumes.**

Uratex makes acoustic foam usually for building insulation and echo control... but not to studio specs.  It'll do for now... but I'm really after the padding I posted above.
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« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2006, 03:27:08 AM »
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Kit, the Uratex foam is for dampening... not diffusion.  I have their foam between my walls just to minimize outside noise.  My problem is slapback.  I was looking at some Auralex stuff in the US... kinda bulky to bring in


I'm quite aware of what the Uratex is capable of.

Slapback can best be minimized thru a combination of diffusion and dampening. From my experience, slapback is best controlled thru diffusion, however, you also have to identify the specific location where slapback occurs and what frequencies are involved. In a pinch, thick drapes and some well placed furniture will work. You also have to take the vertical into consideration; some well placed carpets will help. Heck, I've even used pillows, a thick blanket and a mattress to control some room modes and oriented myself diagonally to the room walls just to capture a live voice-over session.
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« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2006, 11:08:34 AM »
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yeah mahirap nga ito gawin.. just want to gain knowlege how to acoustic a room.. at least may idea ako.. basically i just want my proposed studio to be comfortable for my clients... kaya for now foam lang muna.. pero ng ka interest lang ako dun sa mga bass traps.. im just wondering sir kitC kasi sa bass trap diba may surface na plywood.. so diba mag bounce parin dun mga high freq? tama ba?? thanks.



mga customer satisfied naman silang lahat, dahil sa pag balance na rin ng sound, kasi lahat sila dumadaan din si mixer, especially yong vocals dapat di rin mag feedback, sa drummer naman may mga iba-iba silang variation lalo na sa stix, yong iba kasi ginagamit brass stick at marunong silang mag control ng palo nila kung kelan lalakas at hindi, about sa guitar amps ok din yong tunog at bass amp, sa ngayon wala na kasing masyadong dinadaan sound kasi na close tlaga yong studio, hindi naman dapat palaging may foam yong lahat ng studio, wala atang ganon hehehehehe, thanks sir kitc again, i think nag research ka talaga ng todo, ganon talaga yon, research lang yan, oo nga pala medyo risky rin yong foam, baka kasi masunog lang yong studio lalo na kung malalakas yong wattage ng amps and then mali yong wiring ng electrical at di kayanin sayang lang yong investment.

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« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2006, 04:15:47 PM »
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I'm quite aware of what the Uratex is capable of.


Oh, sorry.. I thought you were really asking about the Uratex foam. :P  My apologies.
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« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2006, 04:13:18 PM »
re diffusers, you can perhaps google a DIY project. i know a couple of people who've made them, but it involves carpentry work.
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« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2006, 03:30:57 PM »
Someone sent me a link to a tutorial on DIY Home Studio Acoustics. Interestingly, the author used rock wool for building a bass trap which is related to the other thread on acoustic building materials. WARNING: Carpentry skills required.  :)
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« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2006, 07:34:10 PM »
hey guys, basic and most important material in soundproofing is ROCKWOOL and we sell these materials.

this is Fire retardant meaning fire protection for your room.

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« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2006, 07:35:15 PM »
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Someone sent me a link to a tutorial on DIY Home Studio Acoustics. Interestingly, the author used rock wool for building a bass trap which is related to the other thread on acoustic building materials. WARNING: Carpentry skills required.  :)



sir, anung type ng rockwool yung ginamit dito? yung rigid ba or blanket? thanks..
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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2006, 07:52:53 PM »
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sir, anung type ng rockwool yung ginamit dito? yung rigid ba or blanket? thanks..


Appears to be the rigid type.
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