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Re: Tama Iron Cobra thread
« Reply #75 on: October 02, 2007, 01:21:24 AM »
Go powerglide!!
Go powerglide!!
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Re: Tama Iron Cobra thread
« Reply #76 on: October 02, 2007, 01:50:40 AM »
The Power Glide model has an offset cam.  The Rolling Glide has a concentric cam.  If you prefer a faster response, the Power Glide can help you with that.  If you prefer a smooth, uniformed response, the Rolling Glide is the one.


I traded my Elims for an Iron Cobra last July.  Why?  Read it here in my blog ---  http://anthonydio.multiply.com/journal/item/107/ .

ahh.. ok.. natutuwa din ako eliminators sir.. pero somehow.. nahahatak pa din ako
ng IC... hehe.. proud owner ng powerglides with wood beater.. whapak!
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Re: Tama Iron Cobra thread
« Reply #77 on: October 02, 2007, 09:15:27 PM »
ganda ng iron cobra ngayun nakita ko kanina sa audiophile, too bad puro powerglide lang binebenta nila wala raw rolling glide.

sir dheniz, yun na ba yung bagong ic's? meron na d2? magkano?

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Re: Tama Iron Cobra thread
« Reply #78 on: October 03, 2007, 07:44:12 PM »
sir dheniz, yun na ba yung bagong ic's? meron na d2? magkano?


yup meron na po dito nakita ko po nung isang araw, nasa 18thou+ pero may discount yun pag cash so makukuha mo ng 17k lang un.

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video: ideal setup of the tama iron cobra for heel-toe technique
« Reply #79 on: October 28, 2007, 06:17:02 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7I9s_Cghfo

kahit hindi heel-toe gamit ko, baka meron diyang interested and/or hindi pa nakikita tong vid. matagal ko nang alam to, pero ngayon ko lang naisipan i-share. i hope someone finds it useful.
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Re: video: ideal setup of the tama iron cobra for heel-toe technique
« Reply #80 on: October 28, 2007, 06:22:32 PM »
nakita ko na yan dati :lol: tnx ulit sa link tagal ko na hinahanap yan..
eto check nyo din ganda ng pag papaliwanag dito :lol:

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Help...How much is an Iron Cobra beater?
« Reply #81 on: November 12, 2007, 04:53:04 AM »
How much is an Iron Cobra beater?

i don't have any numbers of Audiophile. that's why i can't contact them. if someone could give the number of Audiophile that would be most appreciated.

thanks!
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Re: Help...How much is an Iron Cobra beater?
« Reply #82 on: November 12, 2007, 05:07:08 AM »
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Re: Tama Iron Cobra thread
« Reply #83 on: November 19, 2007, 06:52:20 AM »

mga bro, sa durability, playability at adjustments, ano ang pinagkaiba ng ICjr sa ICs bukod sa double chain? anong advantages ng double chain for ICs?
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Re: Tama Iron Cobra thread
« Reply #84 on: November 20, 2007, 11:51:43 AM »
help naman....

how much is an IC beater(felt)?


thanks!
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Re: Tama Iron Cobra thread
« Reply #85 on: November 21, 2007, 03:07:39 AM »
mga bro, sa durability, playability at adjustments, ano ang pinagkaiba ng ICjr sa ICs bukod sa double chain? anong advantages ng double chain for ICs?
tnx!! \m/

Straight from the Tama catalog, and from my personal inspection...


Tama Iron Cobra Drum Pedal - standard features:
- Power Glide, Rolling Glide, or Flexi-Glide models
- Speedo-Ring
- Spring Tight
- Para Clamp II
- Tight Lock
- Vari-Pitch Beater Holder
- Iron Cobra Beater
- Beater Balancer/Weight
- Toe Stopper
- New Iron Cobra Pedal Housing (on 2007 models)
- Cobra Coil (standard on 2007 Rolling Glide model; optional on Power Glide & Flexi Glide models)
- Carrying Case


Tama Standard Drum Pedal - standard features:
- Power Glide model only
- Para-Clamp
- Spring Tight
- Beater Angle Adjustment
- Dual-sided Beater (DS30)
- Carrying Cases (for HP200B/HP200TWB models)


Tama Pedal Accessories are available, and some Iron Cobra parts can be fitted to their Junior models for modification.  You can visit Tama's website for more info.


And in general, double-chains are more durable than single-chains.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2007, 03:12:26 AM by drumster »

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Re: Tama Iron Cobra thread
« Reply #86 on: November 22, 2007, 06:34:13 AM »

orayt! tnx sir dio!!

i'm now also a proud owner of an Iron Cobra Powerglide twin pedals!! yahooo!!!
salamat sa philmusic!!  \m/ >__< \m/

pwde rin kaya cobra coil sa older models ng IC?
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Re: Tama Iron Cobra thread
« Reply #87 on: November 22, 2007, 11:08:24 AM »
orayt! tnx sir dio!!

pwde rin kaya cobra coil sa older models ng IC?

You're welcome bro!

Unfortunately, hindi pwede yung Cobra Coil sa mga older models.  The 2007 models' base plates are designed with slots for mounting the Cobra Coil.

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Re: Tama Iron Cobra thread
« Reply #88 on: November 23, 2007, 01:14:38 AM »
Wow, so pwede rin lagyan ang mga power glide ng cobra coil as long na 2007 model ito? :-D
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Re: Tama Iron Cobra thread
« Reply #89 on: November 23, 2007, 02:35:57 AM »
Sabat lang ako ha.. :) Yung mga pedals ngayon na kasama sa Fernando na Highend kits.. Parang clone ng IC's.   Tas may friend ako, yung kabanda nya, nakabili ng IC-type yung pedal, iba lang yung brand.. Chinese brand e.  As in pati yung plastic case, pareho ren..  Sa China na nabili.  Hinde kaya yung mga IC's OEM sya sa China?  Tas tinatatakan lang ng TAMA?

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Re: Tama Iron Cobra thread
« Reply #90 on: November 23, 2007, 08:19:50 AM »
Sabat lang ako ha.. :) Yung mga pedals ngayon na kasama sa Fernando na Highend kits.. Parang clone ng IC's.   Tas may friend ako, yung kabanda nya, nakabili ng IC-type yung pedal, iba lang yung brand.. Chinese brand e.  As in pati yung plastic case, pareho ren..  Sa China na nabili.  Hinde kaya yung mga IC's OEM sya sa China?  Tas tinatatakan lang ng TAMA?

Ayos toh ah!!! musta naman ung performance ng pedal? :-D
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Re: Tama Iron Cobra thread
« Reply #91 on: November 24, 2007, 12:06:16 AM »
Hinde ko naman na try e. nakita ko lang... Parehong pareho e. Nakakagulat.  As in pati screws and all.. Pati yung cam..  Isa ren sa reason baket nawalan ako ng gana sa IC e. Bukod sa mejo sluggish feeling nga kompara sa Elims at lalong lalo na sa DW5000.  Yung sa Fernando  nakita ko sa JB megamall. HInde daw sya binebenta ng separate.  Kasama sya talaga sa kit.. Pero yun na yun talaga. Mismo..  Ewan ko ba.  Dapat makita nyo ren.. So hinde ko ren na try. 

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Re: Tama Iron Cobra thread
« Reply #92 on: November 24, 2007, 08:17:40 AM »
Hinde ko naman na try e. nakita ko lang... Parehong pareho e. Nakakagulat.  As in pati screws and all.. Pati yung cam..  Isa ren sa reason baket nawalan ako ng gana sa IC e. Bukod sa mejo sluggish feeling nga kompara sa Elims at lalong lalo na sa DW5000.  Yung sa Fernando  nakita ko sa JB megamall. HInde daw sya binebenta ng separate.  Kasama sya talaga sa kit.. Pero yun na yun talaga. Mismo..  Ewan ko ba.  Dapat makita nyo ren.. So hinde ko ren na try. 

Ahh ok, kaso kylangan mo pa bumili ng kit bago ka magkaroon non...wahah!!!
anyway thanks for the info :-D
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Re: Tama Iron Cobra thread
« Reply #93 on: November 24, 2007, 11:40:23 AM »
pareng mesh:
Unang una, sobrang adjustable yung feel ng IC. Malamang panget lang pagka-configure dun sa nasubukan mo. I doubt na mas sluggish siya sa DW kasi pareho lang naman ang pinagmulan nila na basic design e (yung Camco na pedal). Tsaka kahit pareho yung design nung mga made in China na yan, ang specialty talaga ng IC ay durability. Sobrang lamang siya sa category na yun, kahit kung ikumpara sa Pearl at lalo na sa DW. Kaya kahit pareho design nung mga peke na yun, iba pa rin quality ng IC.

Hindi gagawin ng Tama yung i-outsource lang sa kung sino yung IC tapos tatakan na lang nila. Sobrang okay na reputasyon ng IC para ganunin lang nila. Tsaka pride talaga ng Tama yung quality and durability ng hardware nila e. Kahit Taiwan lang rin yung factory nila ng hardware, tututukan pa rin nila yun para maging as high quality as possible.

May dalawang possibility kaya lumaganap yang IC clone na yan:
1. natapos na yung patent dun sa Camco design.
2. China kasi yun e. Grabe talaga sila kumopya. Nung nasa Ligna ako (yun yung world fair ng wood industry sa Hannover, Germany), SOBRANG DAMI ng mga Chinese na pasimpleng kumukuha ng mga picture (minsan video pa nga e) nung mga advanced na machines ng mga Europeans/Japanese/Americans kahit bawal yung ginagawa nila. Pag nakakakita sila ng sikyu, tatakbo na. Kwento sa akin ng mga tao dun, malamang daw by next Ligna eh meron na sila nung mga same machines, kaso cheaper quality lang (madali masira, hindi consistent). Kung ganun sa wood industry, malamang ganun na rin sa musical instruments. Malamang todo kuha sila ng pictures pag NAMM na o ano, tapos paguwi eh gawa ng cheap knockoffs based dun sa design ng iba. Mas madali pa nga mangopya ng IC kasi pwedeng bumili na lang sila ng isang IC tapos paghiwalayin na nila saka manufacture gamit ang parehong design e.

EDIT: sorry sa mga chinese dito, kaso ganun talaga experience ko at yun naman talaga ang reputasyon ng China ngayon. kung nainsulto kayo o ano, sorry kaso ganun lang talaga e. dapat magbago muna sila bago mag-iba opinyon ko sa kanila.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2007, 11:50:52 AM by plep »

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Re: Tama Iron Cobra thread
« Reply #94 on: November 24, 2007, 11:26:37 PM »
ayos.  galing...  basta mas kompyansa ako sa DW at Pearl.  Sa IC, kahit anong adjustment ko, wala.  Tsaka sakin yung IC na ginamit ko.  Binili ko sya, wala pang one year, binenta ko na.  Hinde ko lang sya nasubukan.  Kung hindi ka naniniwala na mas sluggish ang IC kesa sa iba, ok ka.  Pero ako, nagkaron na ako nung 3 pedals na yan at yung IC ang pinipili ko i-dispose.. Mas ok pa SAKIN (sakin lang.. hinde ko sinasabi para sa lahat) Yung IC Jr. Dahil, yung cam nya, mas magaan, single chain kaya mas magaan.  Nagkaron na ren ako ng IC at IC jr sabay, kaya hinde ko lang sya nasubukan, nagamit ko pa talaga ng puspusan.  Yun sa IC... well...

Hinde sila pareho ng design ng DW.  SObra ka naman.  TIngnan mo mabuti kung gano kasimple ang DW. Yung mga unang models ng DW, malapit talaga sila sa camco, Yung Tama, Tamco naman nun.  Dun mejo hawig pero yung 1st gen IC, ang layo na sa Camco at Tamco, pero yung DW, faithful pa ren.  Kaya wag mo sabihin na pareho sila.  Itsura pa lang ng IC, mabagal at mabigat na.  But then again, para sa mga owners ng lahat ng klase ng pedals, IT'S NOT THE EQUIPMENT, IT'S THE DRUMMER...  Whichever floats your boat.

Yung DW at pearl, out of the box, ok na.  Yung IC sobrang rugged talaga, as in rugged pang away kanto.  Hampas mo sa lahat ng kaaway mo pero yung DW, iba talaga. Para syang... Ferrari, tas yung IC, tanke.  Para sakin, prestige ang magkaron ka ng DW pedal. (para sakin lang yun. kaya wag na kayo mag comment dun, please lang... Paki lang) 

At baket naman hinde gagawin ng TAMA mag out source?  Pwede mo ba patunayan un?  E kung makakababa ng cost at makakataas ng profits, baket hinde?  Ginagawa na nga yun nga madaming madaming kompanya and it works for them. Ako hinde ko mapapatunayan na nag o outsource ang TAMA kaya tahimik na lang ako. Ayoko magmagaling.  Nagtanong lang ako.  Hinde ako naggagawa ng conclusions.

Wag nyo na pansinin tong post ko.  Wala ako pinagbabasehan, experiences ko lang naman ito lahat, wala ako alam sa mga patents and such.  Hinde ko na naiintindihan yun.  Nakakita lang ako ng mga IC clone.  Yun lang.  Hinde ko nagamit yung IC clone na yun.  OK?  OK! Hinde ko sinasabing panget yung ganyan, mas maganda yung ganito, nakakita lang ako at nagtatanong kung ganun nga ba talaga.  Hinde ako gumagawa ng assumptions para sa iba. 

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Re: Tama Iron Cobra thread
« Reply #95 on: November 25, 2007, 07:00:13 AM »
we are always entitled in giving our own opinion/s...

bottomline, some love the IC and some don't.

more power to Pearl, DW and Tama in making quality hardware!
i just hope that "equipment piracy" or any form of it would stop...

happy drumming to bro. Plep and bro. Kurt...thank you for giving your thoughts and insights!
« Last Edit: November 25, 2007, 07:01:35 AM by vdonati_fan »
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Re: Tama Iron Cobra thread
« Reply #96 on: November 25, 2007, 08:35:50 AM »
easy ka lang bro! di ako nambabara o ano, sinasagot ko lang rin mga tanong mo. sorry kung medyo k*pal ba yung tono, kaso nagpost lang ako habang atat na umuwi galing sa trabaho kaya siguro medyo mali na yung tunog. kaso namisinterpret mo rin mga sinabi ko e.

tama kang di na nga pareho ngayon ang DW at Tama, kaso sabi ko pareho lang sila ng pinagmulan na basic design. magkasama kasi nila binili yung Camco, naghati lang sila sa makukuha (DW napunta yung plant, sa Tama yung design). sa ngayon, yung DW, nagevolve lang ng onti para ipaswabe. yung Tama, nag-evolve talaga para gawing mas macho.

tsaka pwede naman mag outsource ang Tama, basta di sila magoutsource lang sa kung sinong tao diyan sa tabi tabi. yung factory nga ng hardware nila eh nasa Taiwan imbis na sa Japan para magcut ng costs. sa alam ko nga yung mga ibang drum companies ang nagooutsource ng hardware sa Tama.

ayan, peace na tayo ha? basta kung gusto mo yung Pearl at yung DW, eh di good for you. paa mo naman yan e, at sa mga ganyang subjective na bagay eh wala talagang lalamang sa sarili mong opinyon. yung mga sinabi ko, factual info lang naman na pangsagot nga sa mga tanong mo. kung tatanungin mo ano opinyon ko diyan, okay ako sa Pearl at Tama kaso alangan sa DW kasi may history na talaga sila na sirain yung pedals nila. mabigat kasi paa ko (kaya siguro di ko naranasang sluggish ang Tama), kaya definite possibility yung mabalian ako ng footboard o kaya makalasan ng chain kung DW man ang gamitin ko.

tsaka mesh, ikaw ba yung nakauna sa akin dun sa Elims ni arnold? haha
« Last Edit: November 25, 2007, 08:39:02 AM by plep »

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Re: Tama Iron Cobra thread
« Reply #97 on: November 25, 2007, 09:55:55 AM »
Guys, I need help. I bought my Power Glide in Tom Lee HK two months ago tapos nagkakaproblema ako sa beater niya. Tumatama siya sa paa ko kahit na adjust ko na ung beater to a 45 degree angle, bumababa siya tapos nagiging 90 degree. Mahigpit naman lahat pero nangyayari parin to. Patulong naman. thanks.

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Re: Tama Iron Cobra thread
« Reply #98 on: November 28, 2007, 01:47:05 AM »
mace and plep,

both of you have your points.  reading your post, I feel that I have some answers to what you've been discussing based on my experience.

Here are some issues I can answer:

1.  IC jr is better than IC
My experience - I own both (IC jr has a power glide cam and I have the IC power glide) and I would say that the above statement is right based on what I prefer.  I ask myself, why does IC jr feels better on my foot.  My answer, my foot prefers light/fast pedals.  Therefore less mass, --- faster response.  I ended up selling the power glide and get the flexi glide because its has a smaller cam, strap instead of chain and the cam design has a radical response to it.  Based on the features of the flexi glide, once I had my foot on that pedal, I knew that my theory is correct.  It is more responsive and fast and feels much better under my foot and I am satisfied.  The above statement is true if you prefer a lighter feeling pedal.  Some drummers want a heavy or solid feel on their pedals.

2.  One brand is better than the other
This is a personal preference.  If you look at the physical appearance of the pedals, here are my observations.
Tama - massive mechanisms and looks more durable
DW and Pearl - less massive but durable as well
Tama and DW has a footboard bearing hinge which eliminates side to side motion of the pedal.
Pearl offers the most adjustability. 
It's important that we set our priorities on which features on a particular pedal is the most important to us.

3.  Tama OEM
If you are referring to the pedals that comes with the Fernando kit, I would say that it really looks very close to IC but there are some differences.  I had tried that pedal pero medyo makunat ang feel nya.  Yung pag swing ng beater after you made a stroke, ang bilis mamatay.  Yung original IC mas gradual bago mamatay yung pag swing which also holds true to other top end pedals.  Haven't seen the one that comes with the casing and with a chinese name brand on it as mace mentioned kaya wala ako mai share na experience ko dun.

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Re: Tama Iron Cobra thread
« Reply #99 on: November 28, 2007, 02:17:09 AM »

1.  IC jr is better than IC
My experience - I own both (IC jr has a power glide cam and I have the IC power glide) and I would say that the above statement is right based on what I prefer.  I ask myself, why does IC jr feels better on my foot.  My answer, my foot prefers light/fast pedals.  Therefore less mass, --- faster response.  I ended up selling the power glide and get the flexi glide because its has a smaller cam, strap instead of chain and the cam design has a radical response to it.  Based on the features of the flexi glide, once I had my foot on that pedal, I knew that my theory is correct.  It is more responsive and fast and feels much better under my foot and I am satisfied.  The above statement is true if you prefer a lighter feeling pedal.  Some drummers want a heavy or solid feel on their pedals.


Yes, this is true. :)  I have owned both pedals and i like the IC jr's better because of its lighter feel.  I've been tempted to buy IC jr's before but because it lacks some adjustability functions, I cancelled. 

Thanks sir wipeout! :)