FILLS, you count em' or you feel em'?

[mambo]

Good day!

Regarding fills, short, medium, or long fills.
Do you most of the time count them like 4 single strokes, 2 kicks, 2 single, 4 kicks etc?
or
You just feel it and lay it on the drums?

For me i just feel it (like sing the beat in my head then convert it to my drums) because i believe I can create a more artistic rolls/ fill and I dont get the feeling of being constricted to a given pattern.
The downside is, sometimes i mess up and hit at the wrong note.....so I'm starting to study counting my fills already.


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[daleee]

I count whenever I try to create a cool fill or whenever I practice spreading the singles/doubles/triplets strokes on the kit. And when all the  rehearsing-the-fill is done, i just let loose and feel the beats.

[mambo]

I count whenever I try to create a cool fill or whenever I practice spreading the singles/doubles/triplets strokes on the kit. And when all the  rehearsing-the-fill is done, i just let loose and feel the beats.

siguro isa sa naging mali ko yun, Always wanting to play and not to learn.

[kssael]

I subdivide and count according to the space in a measure left for me to do a fill.

[paeng16]

I play with my ears and feel the fills.. (ayaw ko kasi ng math!) 

[shaun_kuyukot]

I don't really count. Pero pag hindi ko na madistinguish ung 1 2 3 4 nawawala na ako.
Pero, you feel how long the pattern is, so you know where to stop and start, for the most part. I stick to simple linear patterns. 

[mambo]

I play with my ears and feel the fills.. (ayaw ko kasi ng math!) 

sir how do you stay in time?

ako kasi nawawala pag hindi ko binibilang 

[paeng16]

First off, you must know "by-heart" yung song...

Now since memorize mo na yung song.. you then mix it with your emotions then... automatic nang papasok yung mga fills mo dude.. (works for me!)

[NiardicA]

both
Nasa timing... its all about the feel of the music.... May count parin at na-feel mo yung rhythmn ng song...

[meinldrummer]

Count them first then pag comfortable ka na due to constant practice ma fe feel mo na yun.

[mambo]

First off, you must know "by-heart" yung song...

Now since memorize mo na yung song.. you then mix it with your emotions then... automatic nang papasok yung mga fills mo dude.. (works for me!)

yeah, tama nga sir. i pay around fills on some songs that' i've been playing for quite a while too.

what about sa gig sir? would it matter that the fills you used from one gig is different from the other? considering you play the same song. or ok lang na magkaiba yung fills.. depends on how you want to interpret the song?

[mambo]

Count them first then pag comfortable ka na due to constant practice ma fe feel mo na yun.

oo nga sir..kaya ngayon medyo nagsasanay na ko sa pagbibilang. siguro kailangan na rin ng maturity sa playing than just playing.

[bhadz]

both kailangan para enjoy kana.. hindi kapa nawawala sa bilang...

mapapaganda mopa lalo at makakapag expirement ka... pag both mo ginawa... IMO... hehehe

[imaginaryeric]

There should be harmony between your heart and your mind when writing fills (or even for drumming in general). While your heart pours out the inner Hulk in you through your hands, your mind watches over so you keep time.

Take it from someone who always lets the heart take over while syncopating, and in effect loses time. 

[mambo]

There should be harmony between your heart and your mind when writing fills (or even for drumming in general). While your heart pours out the inner Hulk in you through your hands, your mind watches over so you keep time.

Take it from someone who always lets the heart take over while syncopating, and in effect loses time. 

haha usually i let my heart do the job and realize i'm already lost.

[samscapular]

Both,sa feel minsan mahirap ulitin pag live hehe..

[imaginaryeric]

Both,sa feel minsan mahirap ulitin pag live hehe..

Nangyayari yan everytime! nung sabado lang i did something really amazing. ngayon di ko na maalala. alam ko na lang maganda ginawa ko.

I hate it pa when bandmates tell me na: Uy, maganada yung ginawa mo dun sa blahblah. Gawin mo uli yun.
ako naman si: Alin? Ganito?
sila: Hindi. Basta ginawa mo yun e.
ako: sheet.

Kaya nga ang laking pasalamat ko pag may nagvivideo at ipopost sa youtube. I end up transcribing what I did.

[Gep]

Sa ngayon, nire-record namin ang rehearsals namin para pag-uwi ng bahay pwede ko aralin ang mga kanta.

May isang tinuro sa isang DVD na pinanood ko dati tungkol sa paraan ng pag-fill ni Ringo Starr - count with your foot. Halos lahat kasi ng fills niya may accent sa bawat downbeat with a kick, so madali mabilang. Kung integrated naman ang bass drum sa fill, count with the hihat foot daw.

Effective din ang metronome-based practice sa pag-instill ng consistent rolls.
Sana makapag-practice ako nang madalas na may metronome.

[imaginaryeric]

Sa ngayon, nire-record namin ang rehearsals namin para pag-uwi ng bahay pwede ko aralin ang mga kanta.

May isang tinuro sa isang DVD na pinanood ko dati tungkol sa paraan ng pag-fill ni Ringo Starr - count with your foot. Halos lahat kasi ng fills niya may accent sa bawat downbeat with a kick, so madali mabilang. Kung integrated naman ang bass drum sa fill, count with the hihat foot daw.

Effective din ang metronome-based practice sa pag-instill ng consistent rolls.
Sana makapag-practice ako nang madalas na may metronome.

I guess foot-counting with hats si Bonzo. I realized that yung bass drums niya sobrang fused sa marami niyang fills, or maybe ito yung tinatawag na foot ostinatos; kumbaga running bass yung kick niya with a premeditated pattern (na tunog fill).

Metronome-based practice? Sana ako rin. Hehehe. Musta Gep?

[mambo]

Sa ngayon, nire-record namin ang rehearsals namin para pag-uwi ng bahay pwede ko aralin ang mga kanta.

May isang tinuro sa isang DVD na pinanood ko dati tungkol sa paraan ng pag-fill ni Ringo Starr - count with your foot. Halos lahat kasi ng fills niya may accent sa bawat downbeat with a kick, so madali mabilang. Kung integrated naman ang bass drum sa fill, count with the hihat foot daw.

Effective din ang metronome-based practice sa pag-instill ng consistent rolls.
Sana makapag-practice ako nang madalas na may metronome.

wow sir good idea yan ah, no more counting... just realize the beats with your foot na lang.

ano pong DVD yung binanggit nyo po? salamat!!

[Gep]

wow sir good idea yan ah, no more counting... just realize the beats with your foot na lang.

ano pong DVD yung binanggit nyo po? salamat!!

Nalimutan ko nga e, basta puro mga drum duets at kasama pa si Louie Bellson.

Edit: Nakita ko na! Pete York's Super Drumming, Volume 1

Metronome-based practice? Sana ako rin. Hehehe. Musta Gep?

Heto, bagong banda. Kakatapos lang ng EP recording, final mix na lang.
Gig uli! Hehe.

[Helmet]

I write the notes down, for accuracy purposes.

Then practice the counts, and eventually I learn to feel it. After being comfortable with the fills, I can innovate more, spread the fills throughout the kit, parang nag-o-automatic ka na (RLRR-LRLL) around the kit. Different sound, but same concept.

Nabasa ko matagal na sa Drumming magazine yata: Enjoy playing the drums and feel it. Don't think too much, to a point that everyone can hear you thinking.

[mambo]

Nalimutan ko nga e, basta puro mga drum duets at kasama pa si Louie Bellson.

Edit: Nakita ko na! Pete York's Super Drumming, Volume 1

Heto, bagong banda. Kakatapos lang ng EP recording, final mix na lang.
Gig uli! Hehe.

thanks sir! hanap ako nyan!

I write the notes down, for accuracy purposes.

Then practice the counts, and eventually I learn to feel it. After being comfortable with the fills, I can innovate more, spread the fills throughout the kit, parang nag-o-automatic ka na (RLRR-LRLL) around the kit. Different sound, but same concept.

Nabasa ko matagal na sa Drumming magazine yata: Enjoy playing the drums and feel it. Don't think too much, to a point that everyone can hear you thinking.

Nice! its all about the feel that makes the difference. peram nitong quote sir ah!

[unnailed]

from the heart... 

[SAITOHAJIME]

Counting the fills? yun 4! lang ang bilang ko hehehe (usually yun bagsak ng crash). Masmadali kasi mag-improvise ng fills pag dun ka lang mag bibilang.