all about DRUMHEADS thread

[paeng16]

Yep, Emperor X isa a nice option sa batter side. You get durability at the expense of overtones, which can be a good or a bad thing. Snare-side... stick to thin heads like Remo Snareside, Diplomat.. etc.

Pinstripes naman, it's good for indoor use or outdoor use OR indoor use WITH close-miking. Good low sound, and the durability is there. Large venues are a no-no though, since to the audience, you'll get a dead sound.

Pinstripes pang indoor/ pag outdoor lalagyan ng mic? men malabo ata yan..  madami na akong nakitang setup na naka pinstripes pero hataw pa din ang tunog mapa indoor or outdoor... I'm sorry pero hindi ako agree dito men..  and besides (no flames nor sarcasm). naka gamit na ako ng ibat ibang skins sa toms pero PINSTRIPES padin gusto ko bro.. mapa indoor or outdoor..

Maybe it's just me... pero Pinstripes ako indoor or outdoor!! 

[sjon014]

ok po ba sa snare ung Remo Emperor X ?.
malakas po kasi ako pumalo.ano po  pwede snare side neto?
sa tom naman po ok po ba ang remo Pinstripes?
ano po pwedeng tom side nito?

The way I see it, using coated heads on the toms gives it warmth. That's why most people use coated on their snare batters.

I don't think there are coated Pinstripes locally though. If you want 2-ply coated heads, try Aquarians - the Super 2's and Performance 2's in particular. They're a bit more expensive locally (900 for a 10") , but they seem to be really good heads. (Based solely on the "tap-test" na pinagawa sakin sa store haha)

[sjon014]

Pinstripes pang indoor/ pag outdoor lalagyan ng mic? men malabo ata yan..  madami na akong nakitang setup na naka pinstripes pero hataw pa din ang tunog mapa indoor or outdoor... I'm sorry pero hindi ako agree dito men..  and besides (no flames nor sarcasm). naka gamit na ako ng ibat ibang skins sa toms pero PINSTRIPES padin gusto ko bro.. mapa indoor or outdoor..

Maybe it's just me... pero Pinstripes ako indoor or outdoor!! 

Opinion noted - after all, everybody has one.

Share ko lang ang experiences ko sa Pinstripes. Iba ang "driver seat" sound nya sa "audience" sound. And ganun ang dating sakin ng Pinstripes. I was experimenting on miking my drumkit using condensers only, and the pinstripes weren't very good at cutting through. I was using a large-diaphragm Samson too. My PDP single-ply medium coated (which are cheap and underrated heads IMO) did a better job of opening up, but from the driver's seat, I had more overtones.

Also, does anyone remember how dead the floor tom in Mayrics' old house kit sounded? That was a Pinstripe.

[paeng16]

solve na ako sa Remo men... ty for the info though..

for me..
Pag snare - Ambasador or Emperor X.
Toms/kick - Pinstripes

yung coated kasi eh..
1) hindi ko gusto yung tunog. parang ang lutong. (trabaho ng snare yung lutong diba!)
2) Madaling madumihan.

hard hitter "daw" ako sabi nila That is why hindi pa pinalalagyan ng mic yung drums pag may tugtog kami.. so maybe that is why bumagay yung pinstripes sakin.. nasa tuning na din yan men.. kung mababa (below sea level) ang pag ka tono ng pinstripe... eh mamamatay talaga ang tunog..

again, maybe it's just me... pero .. hope this helps..


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kung indoor.. pwede na ang single ply na head eh... kasi sa bahay namin naka single head lang ako.. (for practice lang) sayang kasi kung ma losyang yung Pinstripes! 

[paeng16]

Opinion noted - after all, everybody has one.

Share ko lang ang experiences ko sa Pinstripes. Iba ang "driver seat" sound nya sa "audience" sound. And ganun ang dating sakin ng Pinstripes. I was experimenting on miking my drumkit using condensers only, and the pinstripes weren't very good at cutting through. I was using a large-diaphragm Samson too. My PDP single-ply medium coated (which are cheap and underrated heads IMO) did a better job of opening up, but from the driver's seat, I had more overtones.

Also, does anyone remember how dead the floor tom in Mayrics' old house kit sounded? That was a Pinstripe.

yup I agree sa pagiba ng tunog sa "driver seat" sa "audience" , this is also true with cymbals. Men ganyan din ako mag test.. and you can see from my previous post here at the board (specially sa cymbals) na I always stress na ...

Pakinggan nyo sa malapit, malayo, small room, big room.. para malaman nyo ang totoong tunog ng bibilhin nyo...  

Since "technically" you've tried some recording tweaks... How come in most DVD concerts eh madami padin naka pinstripes?? (no flames men, and don't get the wrong impression!). All I am saying here is, trust the pro (hindi ako pro men. what I mean by pro's is like metallica, linkin' park, RHCP, slipknot,etc). And besides, sa recording or Miking ng set eh hindi naman involve masyado ang heads??!?!!  ang nag dadala nun eh yung mixing men. kahit PATAY ang sound ng heads eh pwede habulin sa mixer.. hmmm???!!!!?  




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ganto bang miking ginawa mo men?




maganda naman ang naging sound ng pinstripes men..
Hope this helps and I hope you know where I am driving at..  

[ChocoMani]

The way I see it, using coated heads on the toms gives it warmth. That's why most people use coated on their snare batters.

I don't think there are coated Pinstripes locally though. If you want 2-ply coated heads, try Aquarians - the Super 2's and Performance 2's in particular. They're a bit more expensive locally (900 for a 10") , but they seem to be really good heads. (Based solely on the "tap-test" na pinagawa sakin sa store haha)

tnx sir sa reply ulet.but i think pinstripes is more affordable than aquarian?2 toms lang po kasi gamit ko.isang 12" saka isang 16".

[ChocoMani]

last question.ano po mas magandang side head ng mga toms.mga diplomat po ba and clear?

[sjon014]

Since "technically" you've tried some recording tweaks... How come in most DVD concerts eh madami padin naka pinstripes?? (no flames men, and don't get the wrong impression!). All I am saying here is, trust the pro (hindi ako pro men. what I mean by pro's is like metallica, linkin' park, RHCP, slipknot,etc). And besides, sa recording or Miking ng set eh hindi naman involve masyado ang heads??!?!!  ang nag dadala nun eh yung mixing men. kahit PATAY ang sound ng heads eh pwede habulin sa mixer.. hmmm???!!!!? 

Pinstripes naman, it's good for indoor use or outdoor use OR outdoor use WITH close-miking. Good low sound, and the durability is there. Large venues are a no-no though, since to the audience, you'll get a dead sound.

Like I said in my post yesterday, Pinstripes are good for "close-miking". San ka ba naman nakakita ng concert lalo sa states na overhead condensers lang ang mics? The "pros" use a full close mic-ing setup, in addition to the overheads!

Don't get me wrong, I like the Pinstripe sound. Yan ang gamit ng acrylic toms ko ngayon. I'm just saying that every head has its boon and bane. Its strength and limitation. And even if I love how low my 'stripes sound, in some settings, I feel that I want my drums to open up a bit more. And it becomes all the more apparent in outdoor situations, or places where mic-ing is minimal or non-existent.

RE: Recording.. IMO, the heads have a lot to say about how your final sound will be. Also, it's easier to dampen excess overtones with an overly-ringy drum... ...than try to dig tone out of a dead drum. Kahit may outboard effects pa na naka-chain sa mixer.

Again, IMO lang lahat 'to ha.

last question.ano po mas magandang side head ng mga toms.mga diplomat po ba and clear?

Remo Ambassador Clears are good na. If you want to go the cheap route, try the Fernando Remoes na single ply. Around 180 pesos on average. If you want a step above, look for PDP clear single ply heads. Kahit yung medium with the coated ring, OK na yun. 300 pesos naman 'to.

Regarding Aquarian prices, mas mahal ng around 100-200 ang Aquarian sa US Remo. But you have the option of Taiwan Remo Encore Pinstripes, which IMO are the same film with a slightly substandard ring-attachment technique. Much much cheaper though. Mga 300 ang 12".

[unnailed]

meron po bang ambassador na clear na 22'?

ok po ba yung remo encore?

[sjon014]

Not sure if there are 22" Clear Ambs locally. Up to 16", sure na meron. Check mo sa JB.

As for Remo Encore - it's the same film as the Remo US heads. Yung mounting lang ng skin sa ring ang pinagkaiba ng US sa Taiwan. Ang available lang sa JB, Coated Ambassador and Pinstripes na Encore. Sound-wise, it's the same. Durability-wise, mas matibay yung Remo US of course - pero paniniwala ko, mauuna pang ma-dent or ma-wear-off yung head bago masira yung mounting ring.

[unnailed]

Not sure if there are 22" Clear Ambs locally. Up to 16", sure na meron. Check mo sa JB.

As for Remo Encore - it's the same film as the Remo US heads. Yung mounting lang ng skin sa ring ang pinagkaiba ng US sa Taiwan. Ang available lang sa JB, Coated Ambassador and Pinstripes na Encore. Sound-wise, it's the same. Durability-wise, mas matibay yung Remo US of course - pero paniniwala ko, mauuna pang ma-dent or ma-wear-off yung head bago masira yung mounting ring.

pero pwede na po ba yun?
balak ko po kasi yun ang bibilin ko or ambassador...

[sjon014]

Pwedeng-pwede. I use PS Encores on my toms, tunog Pinstripes naman haha. Basta on a budget, either Remo Encore or PDP is the way to go.

[unnailed]

ah ok thank... magkano po ba yung encore ps head? mas mahal yun diba?

[sjon014]

10" is 250, 14" is 300. Parang ganun.

[unnailed]

ah ok mas mahal yng encore n ps head kaysa encore n parang ambassador...

[Ralph_Petrucci]

Have to agree with sjon regarding pinstripe opinions. don't get me wrong, i love the pinstripe sound, but it doesn't open up the way a single ply head does. =)

and as for the micing. sorry paengman, the heads do say a lot for the drums sound with regards to the micing.

just my two cents.

[peeves24]

observation ko lang:

all heads 'open up' if tuned correctly for a specific drum. single ply heads give the impression of being more open because they have more high frequencies present because they are less muffled than pinstripes or other multicoated/multilayered heads

you cant put a pinstripe on a 2008 tama superstar tom and expect it to sound as huge as a 1970's ludwig floor tom. a head is incomplete without the shell, the hoops and everything else that makes up a drum.

kaya personal na opinion ko: its useless to argue about heads if you dont factor in the drum you will use it on. then there's also your personal bias and preferences which also makes it impossible for anyone to agree so lets agree to disagree

[unnailed]

sir peeves24


ok po ba yung remo encore? balak ko po kasing bumili ng ddrum na set tapos remo encore yung kakabit ko... ok na po ba yun?

[paeng16]

(ahhh hahaba na itong thread mga bro!  )

Sige let's agree to disagree nalang sabi nga ni peeves.  


@ raLpH_pEtRucCi
Dude.. hindi ko ata na explain ng maayos or in detail yung drum head sa recording.. pero hindi ko na i-explain bro.. hahaba lang yung thread.. someday makaka punta ka din sa studio na halos walang sound yung drum heads then you will understand what I am saying.. (no flames no sarcasm, experience is the best teacher sabi nga nila) 

[peeves24]

sir peeves24


ok po ba yung remo encore? balak ko po kasing bumili ng ddrum na set tapos remo encore yung kakabit ko... ok na po ba yun?

ok na yung remo encore, lazer nga ok na e kung gusto mo lang magexperiment sa tunog ng drums. mura kasi nung single ply coated nila at nung clear single ply pero namamahalan lang ako sa double ply nila, mag remo encore ka na lang kung pinstripe/double ply ang gusto mo

yung ddrum, nakow hanap ka na lang ng iba kung yung low end model lang din yung kukunin mo. yung dominion models nila ok

[mr. trigger]

may EMperor X with CS reverse dot ako, pansin ko lang parang hindi ko makuha yung crack at atake na gusto ko comment naman salamat

[peeves24]

because its too muffled

[unnailed]

ok na yung remo encore, lazer nga ok na e kung gusto mo lang magexperiment sa tunog ng drums. mura kasi nung single ply coated nila at nung clear single ply pero namamahalan lang ako sa double ply nila, mag remo encore ka na lang kung pinstripe/double ply ang gusto mo

yung ddrum, nakow hanap ka na lang ng iba kung yung low end model lang din yung kukunin mo. yung dominion models nila ok

yng diablo nga po yung balak ko, yun kasi pinaka mura eh... pero ok lang po ba yun?

[sjon014]

Wag! Haha. The hardware (kahit floating tom mounts pa yun) is bad. May nagreklamo na sa forums about the brackets cracking. Itsura pa lang ng hardware, parang laruan eh. Plus I think yang Diablo yung may 15" tom? It's not easy to find heads for that.

Try to find a Birch Fernando (Holo/Celluloid) kung meron pa. Mas solid yun! Or stop by your nearest Lazer and ask about the Reverse9 Basix Custom birch kit. 27k ata yung price nun.

[unnailed]

Wag! Haha. The hardware (kahit floating tom mounts pa yun) is bad. May nagreklamo na sa forums about the brackets cracking. Itsura pa lang ng hardware, parang laruan eh. Plus I think yang Diablo yung may 15" tom? It's not easy to find heads for that.

Try to find a Birch Fernando (Holo/Celluloid) kung meron pa. Mas solid yun! Or stop by your nearest Lazer and ask about the Reverse9 Basix Custom birch kit. 27k ata yung price nun.

nako hindi po kaya ng budget ko yun... brackets? yun po ba yung ng hohold sa tom? 16 po ata yung floor tom nya...