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PHILMUSIC NEWBIE  BUY AND SELL FOR DUMMIES(hints,tips,scam proofing,do's and dont's)

Sa dami ng naiiscam sa panahon na to mas maganda siguro na magtulungan tayo gumawa ng simpleng guide. hindi lang para sa mga newbie kung hindi parang philmusic buying and selling refresher course na lang din. 

yung objective ng thread na ito eh yung makagawa ng list ng mga hints, tips, do's and dont's and other scam proofing list in terms of dealing here in Philmusic.  unti unti yung mga ishashare niyo icoconsolidate ko dito sa first page hanggang sa makagawa tayo ng mas complex na guidelines. 
for now ito muna yung sa akin at dagdag dagdagan ko na lang, wait ko na lang din yung sa inyo:

Guitar Accessories:


I. Buying

A. Brand new
Sa tingin ko ito ang pinakasafe at easy-going na itransact kasi unang una napakasimple ng expectations mo, brand new yung item na kukunin mo, nothing more, nothing less.

1. Kapag sinabing brand new ang item i-expect niyo na brand new dapat.  Minsan kasi magugulat ka sa meetup sinabing brand new tapos mukhang gamit na yung item ng makita mo na ng personal.  Hindi brand new ang binili mo sa isang music store, ginamit mo ng 1 week then hindi mo nagustuhan tapos ibebenta mo as brand new sa philmusic. ay katigas naman ng mukha mo kung ganun.  second hand na dapat ang ganung item, slightly used or brand new CONDITION which is another story na nasa baba.

2. Humingi ng madaming pictures kung kinakailangan at dapat kung ano yung detalye ng nasa pictures yun din ang makikita niyo sa meetup.

3. KALIMITAN ang brand new ay may box, battery, adaptor, manual, nakaplastic  and poster. 

4.  i-check ng maigi ang mga screws kung may bakas ng gasgas or binuksan na ng seller yung item.  kung brand new dapat hindi pa nabubuksan ang item or narerepair. 

5. Dapat walang scratch, minsan may mga nakatagong scratches, ang tip dito eh magpareflect kayo ng ilaw or liwanag sa pedal na parang tumitingin kayo ng dumi sa pinggan or basag sa baso.

6.  As much as possible walang alikabok or dumi.  Ang pagkakaintindi ko kasi sa brand new eh nasa box lang siya or nasa isang protected na lugar hindi sa pedalboard nakalagay at naghihintay ng buyer.  Kung may alikabok or dumi itanong kung bakit at saan galing yung dumi.  Anung malay mo kung nai-gig pala yan sa bukid bago ibinenta sa iyo.

7.  Itanong kung saan nabili or galing yung brand new item na yun.  Hindi din naman masama siguro kung itanong mo kung bakit siya brand new.  Kung ayaw ka ientertain eh di huwag mo bilhin. hindi magandang nagpapakita ka masyado ng paghahabol sa item ng isang seller.  The more na nagpapakita ka ng paghahabol or pagkagusto masyado sa item, may mga time na the more na nangaabuso yung seller.

8.  Siyempre dapat gumagana.  nasa sa iyo yan kung kaya mo magdala ng pangtest or pagdadalahin mo yung seller ng pang test.

B. Second hand

1.  Huwag ka magexpect masyado na brand new condition ang makukuha mo dahil unang una nasa market ka ng second hand items or second hand yung bibilhin mo.  Kasi kung maarte ka sa item na kukunin mo eh di dapat brand new na lang bilhin mo.  Although dito sa philmusic madaming nagbebenta ng second hand items na brand new condition, swertehan lang din.   madami na kong nabili din dito na presyung pamigay pero brand new condition. 

2. Katulad ng brand new items, mas maraming pictures ang kailangan mo dito.  humingi ng maraming pictures at hanggat maaari captured ang lahat ng anggulo ng item.  May ilang nagbebenta ng item na sinasadyang malabo yung pic or low quality yung image para maitago yung tunay na condition ng item so mas mataas quality ng image mas maganda.  Kung ako tatanungin kung second hand yung bibilhin niyo, mas maganda bago kayo makipagmeet eh nakita niyo na yung mga pictures nung item.

3.  Dapat nakaspecified yung buong detalye ng item.  lahat ng issues or kung may defect man nakasulat sa thread. huwag masyadong papadala sa 10/10 condition or 10/10 functionalities kasi minsan magkaiba kayo ng expectations ng seller, para sa seller 10/10 yung item niya pero para sa iyo 5/10 lang so magkakaproblema ka sa ganun lalo at malayo pa binyahe mo para lang makipagmeet.

4.  Alam ko binanggit ko na sa number 3 pero uulitin ko ulit dito na itanong kung may defect ba or issues.  At kung meron at gusto mo talaga yung pedal at gagana pa din naman makipagnegotiate ka kung paano magiging arrangements niyo.  Mahirap yung nabili mo na yung item tapos pagdating mo sa bahay saka mo nalaman yung mga defects niya.  Iba siyempre yung defects na napagusapan niyo na bago iclose ang deal kaysa sa mga susulpot na defects kung kailan naiuwi mo na yung item.

C. Brand new condition
1. Sa pagkakaintindi ko ang brand new condition ay mukhang bago talaga.  wala halos scratch, alikabok, dumi at higit sa lahat wala pang bakas ng repair. 

2. Mostly ang brand new condition ay kumpleto pa ang accessories like manual, box, poster, adaptor, battery at plastic.  Mas maganda talaga humingi ng pictures para magkaideya ka kung ano ibig sabihin ng seller sa brand new condition.  Kahit sinong buyer pwedeng gumamit ng mga katagang "brand new condition" so ingat lang baka magkaiba na naman kayo ng expectations. baka ang brand new condition para sa kanya ay pang limang owner na siya at sampung taon na niyang ginagamit pero brand new condition pa din.

3.  Maaaring ang brand new condition din eh yung kabibili lang ngayon, tinesting, na i-gig ng gabi, kinabukasan ayaw na pero wala namang diperensiya at naisipang itinda  na lang.  Jackpot kung mura pagkakapresyo dahil parang kinuha lang ng naunang owner yung depreciation value nung pedal.  Ang mga jackpot moments ang inspirasyon ko sa pagbubukas ng classifieds araw araw kahit wala naman na akong kailangang bilhin. 

4.  Hanggat maaari umiwas sa mga buyer na nagsasabing brand new condition ang tinda nila pero walang pics.  nasa sa inyo na yan kung ok lang sa inyo na makipagmeetup na hindi pa nakikita man lang kahit sa pics yung item. pero ito masasabi ko, kung di mo pa nakikita man lang kahit sa pics yung item na kukunin mo tapos papunta ka sa meetup eh para kang sumusugal ka sa item although babayaran mo naman na galing talaga sa pinaghirapan mo o pinaghirapan ng papa at mama mo.

Contributions:

my input / para sa mga potential buyers:

1) please, always do your research about the item that you are getting   - it saves time and money.
2) read and research: you get to be well-informed and knowledgeable - less likely to get scammed. read the product reviews as well.
3) if possible, puntahan nyo na lang yung seller sa house nila - test hanggang sawa ka dun. iwas ka pa sa no-shows/indian. pag nagka problema, at least alam mo na kung saan mo sya hahanapin
4) extensively check the item that you are getting. wag kang magmadali. better safe than sorry.
5) go over the ad, read the ad carefully - some questions regarding the item you are eyeing is already there at the ad.

hmmm.. yun lang.

BUYERS:

1. Make sure na maayos ang usapan at lahat ng doubts about sa item na bibilhin eh sabihin na nang maliwanagan.

2. Huwag magtanong ng magtanong sa buyer dahil nakakabuwiset yun. Gaya nga nung sinabi ni Sir Electrosushi, do your own research tapos chaka mo icompare kung tama ba yung nalalaman mo sa sinasabi niya.

3. Huwag tumawad kung hindi naman kailangan bawasan yung presyo. Dati bumili ako ng gitara at tinanggap ko ang fixed price niya na 9k. Pero pagkita namin, eh tabingi yung neck, so dun na ako tumawad kasi ipapagalaw ko pa yung guitar at wala akong pera para dun.

4. Dapat mag-agree kayo sa TIME and PLACE dahil kung hindi, eh maghahanapan kayo niyan. May nakameet ako nung kailan lang, may ka-deal siya sa Trinoma tapos nasira yung cellphone niya eh hindi niya pa alam kung saan sila magkikita nung seller, ayun ewan ko kung anong nangyare. Sana successful yung deal nila.

5. Dapat legit ang pangalan ng seller at alam mo ang address, at REAL name niya. Para pag may internal problems yung item na binili mo eh meron kang babalikan hindi yung ikaw yung matatalo.

i am from Davao City, so things are harder to me than usual both as buyer and seller, pero over the years i have perfected a system.

AS BUYER (applies only to items 4K and above, i give a lot of leeway to cheaper stuff):
-will only pay thru bank deposit
-make sure that the seller has a decent track record.
-check the seller's communication skills, age and work. the better the job is, the least you'd have to worry about getting scammed.
-check to see how consistent the seller is ... if i detect any form of inconsistency, im backing out.

and finally ... bad deals are different from scams. learn to accept bad deals and move on. i have had a lot of bad deals, and i am ok with it... i understand the risk in transacting online.

funny though, i have had more bad deals in pinas than in ebay or talkbass. to be honest, i trust them sellers more, hehe.


II.  Selling


A. Brand new

1.
B.  Second hand
1.
C. Brand new condition
1.



Contributions:


SELLERS:

1. Kumpleto dapat ang information about sa thread, at ito ang reference:

- Matinong thread title, Ex. (FS/FT: Ibanez GSA60 (BLACK) 8k FIXED!)
- Specifications
- Issues/Flaws
- Pictures
- Possible meet-up places
- Cellphone/Landline numbers and if possible, a Facebook account/Yahoo Messenger account
- RFS/RFT (Reason for selling/Reason for trading)


2. Ientertain ang mga buyers

3. Make sure you both have each other's trust.

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Guitar


I.  Buying
A. Brand new
1.
B.  Second hand
1.
C. Brand new condition
1.
I.  Selling
A. Brand new
1.
B.  Second hand
1.
C. Brand new condition
1.

Percussions (Drums, Cymbals, etc.)

Percussions (Drums, Cymbals, etc.)
I.  Buying

A. Brand new

1. be sure to buy on genuine seller, i mean yung may permit,.. or para makamura bumili sa kaibigan / kakilala,.. if stranger ang seller, look for serial number for cymbals,
same sa drum shells, look also sa stamps logos if smooth finished..
compare the Suggested Retail Price "SRP" to the pricing of the seller

B.  Second hand

1. for cymbals, if needed use a magnifying glass and check for dents or cracks around the edge of the cymbal , check also the hole it must be in PERFECT CIRCLE
second priority is the cosmetics, check for the stains and scratches, also for the logo, if the logo is still there check the stiff surface of the logo and compare it to the wide surface of the cymbal, it must be almost same in color, because it means that it was barely polished, and it was nice because its your choice to polished it or not,.. "wrong polishing leads the cymbal to cracked"
ask the owner for what cleaning chemical did they use.. decline if you hear metal polisher or any polisher used in appliances or "CAT/ROTC patches"
compare the Suggested Retail Price "SRP" to the pricing of the seller

for drum shells/hardware

check for rusty parts like washers lugs and all metal parts, it must be in clean good condition, still it depends on the price .. also look for bearing edges, cracks for the shell, no threads must be loose, look for the color of the shell and tap it, it must sound crisp, because if it sounds like "makunat" maybe that shells are soaked or wet once or more,.. that will ruin the flow of sound waves..

compare the Suggested Retail Price "SRP" to the pricing of the seller

C. Brand new condition

1. check for receipt and boxes, also look for fingerprints, "cause of handling with hands sweating"
look for dust if it is kept nicely.. in short it must be like new as the seller says,.. it depends pa din sa usapan and pricing
compare the Suggested Retail Price "SRP" to the pricing of the seller

I.  Selling

A. Brand new

1. your item must be Genuine
you must be selling the item with your enough knowledge of the item you were selling
you must be reasonable with your price



B.  Second hand

1. you must prepare and clean your item before posting it, for fast and presentable ads
YOU MUST INFORM ALL THE ISSUES OF THE ITEM YOU WERE SELLING EITHER SMALL OR BIG!! "damn tamaan ka sana!!TAKE NOTE OF THIS i'm one of the VICTIM! i will not include your name pero makonsensya ka naman!
take note of this sellers and buyers NO HIDDEN DEFECTS!


C. Brand new condition
1.  your item must be Genuine
you must be selling the item with your enough knowledge of the item you were selling
you must be lowered with your price compare to the brand new

i am from Davao City, so things are harder to me than usual both as buyer and seller, pero over the years i have perfected a system.

AS SELLER:
-do not accept verbal reservations. only reserve an item for 3 hours, anything longer than that, i am more than happy to accept the money and ship the item to the guy that would pay.
-only accept payments thru my bank account
-put lots of good quality pictures
-write all 'must know' stuff in bullet form

and finally ... bad deals are different from scams. learn to accept bad deals and move on. i have had a lot of bad deals, and i am ok with it... i understand the risk in transacting online.

funny though, i have had more bad deals in pinas than in ebay or talkbass. to be honest, i trust them sellers more, hehe.


Other guides:

Buying a DIY items guide:
1. 

Meetup:
1. Kung nalowbat habang nasa kalagitnaan ng meetup at nawalan bigla ng connection sa kausap ang isa sa mga maishashare ko ay ang pagchacharge ng phone sa SMART dyan sa malapit sa entrance ng Shagrila Shaw.  Sa ngayon kalimitan yung SMART, GLOBE, SUN at iba pang telecommunication centers sa mga mall eh may mga free charging station na.  Pwede ding sa ministop. May ilang ministop na may cellphone charging station na kailangan mo lang hulugan ng barya at hintayin then makakapagcharge ka na ng phone. 

2. Kung alanganin ka sa meetup mas maganda makipagmeetup sa loob ng mall.  Mas maganda malapit sa mga entrance kung saan punung puno ng mga guard at minsan mga pulis para kung sakaling gawan ka ng masama ng kameetup mo kahit papaano malapit lang yung maaaring malapitan mo.

3.  Magdala ng fake money detector kung kinakailangan, may mga nabibiling maliit na ganito. mas maganda may ganito lalo na kung malakihan transaction niyo.  sa totoo lang kung may kameetup ako mas matutuwa pa ako kung may money detector siya kasi minsan di naman natin alam fake pala pera natin.  may mga ganyang case na dito. 

4.  Kung malalate magtext ng mas maaga.  kahit ikaw ayaw mong naghihintay din.  kung aayaw ka sa deal mas maganda gawin ng 1-2 days ahead sa oras ng meetup. 

CHARACTERISTICS OF A FRIGGIN SCAMMER:

CHARACTERISTICS OF A FRIGGIN SCAMMER:

1. He/She keeps changing the info about the product he/she gives to the buyer.
2. He/She does not show up at your desired meeting place for a number of times.
3. He/She does not want the buyer to test or even post pictures of the said item.


MORE TIPS:

Huwag magtanong ng stupid questions!

- "Nung binili mo ba yan naka-kahon?"
- "Paano ang tunog nyan?"
- "Bakit walang case? Diba pag bnew dapat may kasamang case?"
- "Wala ka na bang binebentang ibang items?" or maghahanap ng wala naman dun sa binebenta.
- At ang pinaka-nakaka-inis sa lahat "Kuya, magkaano yung item mo?" at "Ano nga ba yung binebenta mo?"

Fixed price is FIXED. Bakit tatawad pa?

Kapag nagbebenta ako, binibigay ko na lahat ng info, issues at pictures. Kaya mag-basa muna bago mag-tanong.

NOTABLE THREADS
The funniest inquiry I received when selling my gear was.. - http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=13751.msg94308#msg94308
How to entertain lowballers... - http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=151140.0
« Last Edit: September 11, 2012, 11:11:24 AM by wiccan8888 »



Offline gsrx14

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we should be extra careful nowadays because scammers always find a way to have a new identity using their new usernames/accounts just to escape such a crime.

Offline tamad

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ang hirap sa buyers gusto brand new barat naman.
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pag gustong gusto nyo yung gamit/item at mahirap kausap yung may-ari ng item its better na wag na kayong makipagdeal. kahit gusto nyo pa yung item eh tapos mahirap naman kausap yung seller eh wag na lang. mahirap pilitin yung ayaw. baka dumugo.  :-D

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nice thread dude
this deserves to be stickied


Offline red_hot

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Basta masabi ko lang ang hirap magbenta... minsan sagad na price mo pero lowballers is just around tsk tsk tsk
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Offline electrosushi

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my input / para sa mga potential buyers:

1) please, always do your research about the item that you are getting   - it saves time and money.
2) read and research: you get to be well-informed and knowledgeable - less likely to get scammed. read the product reviews as well.
3) if possible, puntahan nyo na lang yung seller sa house nila - test hanggang sawa ka dun. iwas ka pa sa no-shows/indian. pag nagka problema, at least alam mo na kung saan mo sya hahanapin
4) extensively check the item that you are getting. wag kang magmadali. better safe than sorry.
5) go over the ad, read the ad carefully - some questions regarding the item you are eyeing is already there at the ad.

hmmm.. yun lang.

Offline chiqgarcia

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@TS

magpost ka na rin ng template para sa mga sellers (para pwede nila i-copy/paste)

important points:
location/meet-up locations (kainis kase kung kelangan pang tanungin)
FS, FSO, FT, FTO, FS or FT
more substantial RFS (got a new one, gathering dust, quitting, need cash, it's complicated)

kung meron nang ganito, okay mananahimik na ako, hehehe
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To potential sellers, don't misuse the word MINT. If the item is not brand new nor sealed in a box, then it's not mint! Please spare us the misleading/deceptive advertisement.  :-)


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nice thread..

alam ko pinoy tayo at hindi maiwasan din ang tumawad.. may mga drum items ako dati ibinenta sa drum classified ads at ang napansin ko rin eh yung na post ko na BOLD letter all UPPERCASE " FIXED PRICE "
ay hindi rin na sunod.. flood ng text message ang aabutin mo sa iisang inquirer at paulit ulit na tanong.. maski ang post mo agaisnt sa ibang same item seller ay mas mura kung pwede lang nilang bilhin ng piso ay gagawin nila lahat ng pang kukulit.
(share lang)
tama rin si: qroon

misleading ang word na MINT sa ibang buyers.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2010, 12:34:19 PM by littlenikki »
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Re: PHILMUSIC NEWBIE BUY AND SELL FOR DUMMIES(hints,tips,do's and dont's)
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2010, 01:21:14 PM »
Pag buyer ka, wag ka naman grabe mambarat, hindi naman ibebenta nung seller yung item na yun kung wala siyang pangangailangan e. At pag ikaw ang nagbebenta ng item, ayaw mo nababarat ka rin diba?
At kung ikaw naman ay seller, wag kang garapal pumresyo. Ayaw mo din naman bumili ng gamit na
grabe ang presyo diba?


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Re: PHILMUSIC NEWBIE BUY AND SELL FOR DUMMIES(hints,tips,do's and dont's)
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2010, 07:44:48 PM »
@TS

magpost ka na rin ng template para sa mga sellers (para pwede nila i-copy/paste)

important points:
location/meet-up locations (kainis kase kung kelangan pang tanungin)
FS, FSO, FT, FTO, FS or FT
more substantial RFS (got a new one, gathering dust, quitting, need cash, it's complicated)

kung meron nang ganito, okay mananahimik na ako, hehehe

meron na tayong ganito, kaso yun nga medyo kailangan na lang natin palawigin:

Classifieds: Rules & Regulations
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,28836.0.html

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Re: PHILMUSIC NEWBIE BUY AND SELL FOR DUMMIES(hints,tips,do's and dont's)
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2010, 12:59:08 AM »
Percussions (Drums, Cymbals, etc.)
I.  Buying

A. Brand new

1. be sure to buy on genuine seller, i mean yung may permit,.. or para makamura bumili sa kaibigan / kakilala,.. if stranger ang seller, look for serial number for cymbals,
same sa drum shells, look also sa stamps logos if smooth finished..
compare the Suggested Retail Price "SRP" to the pricing of the seller

B.  Second hand

1. for cymbals, if needed use a magnifying glass and check for dents or cracks around the edge of the cymbal , check also the hole it must be in PERFECT CIRCLE
second priority is the cosmetics, check for the stains and scratches, also for the logo, if the logo is still there check the stiff surface of the logo and compare it to the wide surface of the cymbal, it must be almost same in color, because it means that it was barely polished, and it was nice because its your choice to polished it or not,.. "wrong polishing leads the cymbal to cracked"
ask the owner for what cleaning chemical did they use.. decline if you hear metal polisher or any polisher used in appliances or "CAT/ROTC patches"
compare the Suggested Retail Price "SRP" to the pricing of the seller

for drum shells/hardware

check for rusty parts like washers lugs and all metal parts, it must be in clean good condition, still it depends on the price .. also look for bearing edges, cracks for the shell, no threads must be loose, look for the color of the shell and tap it, it must sound crisp, because if it sounds like "makunat" maybe that shells are soaked or wet once or more,.. that will ruin the flow of sound waves..

compare the Suggested Retail Price "SRP" to the pricing of the seller

C. Brand new condition

1. check for receipt and boxes, also look for fingerprints, "cause of handling with hands sweating"
look for dust if it is kept nicely.. in short it must be like new as the seller says,.. it depends pa din sa usapan and pricing
compare the Suggested Retail Price "SRP" to the pricing of the seller

I.  Selling

A. Brand new

1. your item must be Genuine
you must be selling the item with your enough knowledge of the item you were selling
you must be reasonable with your price



B.  Second hand

1. you must prepare and clean your item before posting it, for fast and presentable ads
YOU MUST INFORM ALL THE ISSUES OF THE ITEM YOU WERE SELLING EITHER SMALL OR BIG!! "damn tamaan ka sana!!TAKE NOTE OF THIS i'm one of the VICTIM! i will not include your name pero makonsensya ka naman!
take note of this sellers and buyers NO HIDDEN DEFECTS!


C. Brand new condition
1.  your item must be Genuine
you must be selling the item with your enough knowledge of the item you were selling
you must be lowered with your price compare to the brand new
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Offline wiccan8888

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Re: PHILMUSIC NEWBIE BUY AND SELL FOR DUMMIES(hints,tips,do's and dont's)
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2010, 01:10:59 AM »
Percussions (Drums, Cymbals, etc.)
I.  Buying

A. Brand new

1. be sure to buy on genuine seller, i mean yung may permit,.. or para makamura bumili sa kaibigan / kakilala,.. if stranger ang seller, look for serial number for cymbals,
same sa drum shells, look also sa stamps logos if smooth finished..
compare the Suggested Retail Price "SRP" to the pricing of the seller

B.  Second hand

1. for cymbals, if needed use a magnifying glass and check for dents or cracks around the edge of the cymbal , check also the hole it must be in PERFECT CIRCLE
second priority is the cosmetics, check for the stains and scratches, also for the logo, if the logo is still there check the stiff surface of the logo and compare it to the wide surface of the cymbal, it must be almost same in color, because it means that it was barely polished, and it was nice because its your choice to polished it or not,.. "wrong polishing leads the cymbal to cracked"
ask the owner for what cleaning chemical did they use.. decline if you hear metal polisher or any polisher used in appliances or "CAT/ROTC patches"
compare the Suggested Retail Price "SRP" to the pricing of the seller

for drum shells/hardware

check for rusty parts like washers lugs and all metal parts, it must be in clean good condition, still it depends on the price .. also look for bearing edges, cracks for the shell, no threads must be loose, look for the color of the shell and tap it, it must sound crisp, because if it sounds like "makunat" maybe that shells are soaked or wet once or more,.. that will ruin the flow of sound waves..

compare the Suggested Retail Price "SRP" to the pricing of the seller

C. Brand new condition

1. check for receipt and boxes, also look for fingerprints, "cause of handling with hands sweating"
look for dust if it is kept nicely.. in short it must be like new as the seller says,.. it depends pa din sa usapan and pricing
compare the Suggested Retail Price "SRP" to the pricing of the seller

I.  Selling

A. Brand new

1. your item must be Genuine
you must be selling the item with your enough knowledge of the item you were selling
you must be reasonable with your price



B.  Second hand

1. you must prepare and clean your item before posting it, for fast and presentable ads
YOU MUST INFORM ALL THE ISSUES OF THE ITEM YOU WERE SELLING EITHER SMALL OR BIG!! "damn tamaan ka sana!!TAKE NOTE OF THIS i'm one of the VICTIM! i will not include your name pero makonsensya ka naman!
take note of this sellers and buyers NO HIDDEN DEFECTS!


C. Brand new condition
1.  your item must be Genuine
you must be selling the item with your enough knowledge of the item you were selling
you must be lowered with your price compare to the brand new

thanks, will include this on the first post.

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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2010, 02:41:21 AM »
Just have the mental maturity to ignore lowballers, stick to your....PALSIIT kunada kuma.
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Re: PHILMUSIC NEWBIE BUY AND SELL FOR DUMMIES(hints,tips,do's and dont's)
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2010, 03:54:46 AM »
BUYERS:

1. Make sure na maayos ang usapan at lahat ng doubts about sa item na bibilhin eh sabihin na nang maliwanagan.

2. Huwag magtanong ng magtanong sa buyer dahil nakakabuwiset yun. Gaya nga nung sinabi ni Sir Electrosushi, do your own research tapos chaka mo icompare kung tama ba yung nalalaman mo sa sinasabi niya.

3. Huwag tumawad kung hindi naman kailangan bawasan yung presyo. Dati bumili ako ng gitara at tinanggap ko ang fixed price niya na 9k. Pero pagkita namin, eh tabingi yung neck, so dun na ako tumawad kasi ipapagalaw ko pa yung guitar at wala akong pera para dun.

4. Dapat mag-agree kayo sa TIME and PLACE dahil kung hindi, eh maghahanapan kayo niyan. May nakameet ako nung kailan lang, may ka-deal siya sa Trinoma tapos nasira yung cellphone niya eh hindi niya pa alam kung saan sila magkikita nung seller, ayun ewan ko kung anong nangyare. Sana successful yung deal nila.

5. Dapat legit ang pangalan ng seller at alam mo ang address, at REAL name niya. Para pag may internal problems yung item na binili mo eh meron kang babalikan hindi yung ikaw yung matatalo.



SELLERS:

1. Kumpleto dapat ang information about sa thread, at ito ang reference:

- Matinong thread title, Ex. (FS/FT: Ibanez GSA60 (BLACK) 8k FIXED!)
- Specifications
- Issues/Flaws
- Pictures
- Possible meet-up places
- Cellphone/Landline numbers and if possible, a Facebook account/Yahoo Messenger account
- RFS/RFT (Reason for selling/Reason for trading)


2. Ientertain ang mga buyers

3. Make sure you both have each other's trust.

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Re: PHILMUSIC NEWBIE BUY AND SELL FOR DUMMIES(hints,tips,do's and dont's)
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2010, 11:07:11 AM »
Huwag tumawad kung walang pambili.  :-D
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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2010, 10:02:04 PM »
For the buyer and seller:

1. They must exchange personal informations and references to each other. (must be verified first)
Pictures.
Videos.
Mobile numbers.
Landline numbers.
Fax numbers.
Office address.
Home address.
Name of Father.
Name of Mother.
Birthplace.
Birthday.
Nationality.
Likes and dislikes.
Slogan.
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Re: PHILMUSIC NEWBIE BUY AND SELL FOR DUMMIES(hints,tips,do's and dont's)
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2010, 10:14:26 PM »
For the buyer and seller:

1. They must exchange personal informations and references to each other. (must be verified first)
Pictures.
Videos.
Mobile numbers.
Landline numbers.
Fax numbers.
Office address.
Home address.
Name of Father.
Name of Mother.
Birthplace.
Birthday.
Nationality.
Likes and dislikes.
Slogan.

bro dependi din. masyado ng personal yung ibang detalye dyan.  masyado namang exaggerated yan at baka akalain ng mga newbie ganyan dapat makipagtransact dito.  prerogative ng both sides kung gusto nila magpalitan ng ganyang mga personal information pero hindi required.  ang dami ko ng nakatransact dito ni minsan di naman nila ko tinanong saan ako nakatira, fullname ko or what basta kaliwaan lang. ganun din naman ako sa kanila ni minsan wala pa akong tinanong ditong seller kung ano fullname niya or what maliban na lang kung magshiship ako talaga sa kanya ng item eh talagang need ko personal info niya.  kung ayaw magbigay ng seller ng identity niya wala ka magagawa eh di HUWAG mo bilhin may problema ba dun.  ganun din naman sa buyer kung ayaw niya magbigay din ng info eh wala ka na din magagawa dun. tulad ng madalas ko sabihin dito TRADE AT YOUR OWN RISK. saka kahit hingin pa natin personal information ng buong angkan niya o kanunununuan niya eh pwede lang siyang magsinungaling o pekein mga info na ibibigay niya unless pina NBI mo siya or naghire ka ng private investigator para lang maprove kung orig or totoo mga pinagsasasabi niya.  

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Re: PHILMUSIC NEWBIE BUY AND SELL FOR DUMMIES(hints,tips,do's and dont's)
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2010, 01:47:11 AM »
CHARACTERISTICS OF A FRIGGIN SCAMMER:

1. He/She keeps changing the info about the product he/she gives to the buyer.
2. He/She does not show up at your desired meeting place for a number of times.
3. He/She does not want the buyer to test or even post pictures of the said item.
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Re: PHILMUSIC NEWBIE BUY AND SELL FOR DUMMIES(hints,tips,do's and dont's)
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2010, 07:57:25 PM »
dapat ring mag-ingat sa mga G-cash transactions. mas okey pa 'yung bank deposit transactions, maaari mong ma-trace yung account.

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« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2010, 08:42:43 AM »
Huwag tumawad kung walang pambili.  :-D

Huwag magtanong ng stupid questions!

- "Nung binili mo ba yan naka-kahon?"
- "Paano ang tunog nyan?"
- "Bakit walang case? Diba pag bnew dapat may kasamang case?"
- "Wala ka na bang binebentang ibang items?" or maghahanap ng wala naman dun sa binebenta.
- At ang pinaka-nakaka-inis sa lahat "Kuya, magkaano yung item mo?" at "Ano nga ba yung binebenta mo?"

Fixed price is FIXED. Bakit tatawad pa?

Kapag nagbebenta ako, binibigay ko na lahat ng info, issues at pictures. Kaya mag-basa muna bago mag-tanong.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2010, 08:55:49 AM by kurtcobainer »

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« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2010, 09:20:48 AM »
dapat ring mag-ingat sa mga G-cash transactions. mas okey pa 'yung bank deposit transactions, maaari mong ma-trace yung account.


if its not your account ,  you can only ask for bank statement or other bank related transaction records thru "court order" , "AMLA related case" ," writen agreement or authority by the account holder" (forgot na the others...)

you can keep , the depositors copy as evidence of such deposit.
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« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2010, 02:52:45 AM »
BE PROFESSIONAL hangga't maaari

nakakahiya talaga pag nakakabasa ako ng transactions na parang walang pinagaralan ang buyer/seller
« Last Edit: June 09, 2010, 03:20:13 AM by IPGTR »
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« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2010, 03:18:10 AM »
Huwag mambarat kung wala naman palang pambayad!
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