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Offline markthevirtuoso

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All About Strat
« on: July 08, 2006, 05:23:38 AM »
I was wondering kung anong difference ng Vintage Style Tremolo sa American Series Tremolo. Once, i borrowed my friend's American Standard tas napansin ko yung action nya ay napakababa. So i tried adjusting my Strat's (now sold though) classic trem way low but then i got fret buzz issues. I tried setting it up again to my normal setting which is the lowest possible action i could get without having such problems but then the difference with the other strat is a bit too much.  Does this has anything to do with it? Or nasa fretboard radius din? :?

..of course, other types of strat tremolos are welcome here as well. :D


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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2006, 06:07:41 AM »
sayang strat mo bro!!! papakuha ko sana sa friend ko na taga-abu dhabi eh, pero i don't think he's willing to spend 800 dirhams for me, hehe. plus, sa feb next year pa sha uuwi eh, hehe.

anyway, sa pagkakaalam ko, yung american standard bridge is the floating type. and, as we all know, yung classic trem ng strat is the... classic, hehe. regarding action, i think kaya naman ma-achieve yung lowest possible action sa kahit anong strat, may it be amstd trem or classic trem, or any trem for that matter. pero it's not all in the bridge or saddles eh, maybe kaya nag-buzz na frets mo nung binaba mo yung saddles kasi konti lang neck relief sa neck ng strat mo, or maybe the neck angle is a little shallow, etc. i don't think the fretboard radius has anything to do with it kasi pwede naman ma-compensate yung radius sa saddles eh. so yun, basta factors for me is, saddle height, neck angle, neck relief and fret levels. so yun.

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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2006, 06:23:49 AM »
this will an interesting thread. strat lover din ako.

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Re: All About Strat
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2006, 06:51:51 AM »
Strats... Aww... I miss that twangy sound. Hmm
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2006, 06:58:02 AM »
then let's make this the official philmusic strat lovers thread, hehe.

i'm looking forward to acquiring another strat soon, hehehe. bahala na...

pero as for the bridge, i don't think i can ever use anything else. talagang the classic bridge is the only strat bridge for me, hehe.


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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2006, 08:11:24 AM »
Newer trem, more solid pieces as oppose to older thinner pieces? Affect in tone? Hhmm... dunno. I like both.

Strat lover... I think I can't call myself as one, hehe :lol:

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Re: All About Strat
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2006, 08:45:03 AM »
Quote from: markthevirtuoso
I was wondering kung anong difference ng Vintage Style Tremolo sa American Series Tremolo. Once, i borrowed my friend's American Standard tas napansin ko yung action nya ay napakababa. So i tried adjusting my Strat's (now sold though) classic trem way low but then i got fret buzz issues. I tried setting it up again to my normal setting which is the lowest possible action i could get without having such problems but then the difference with the other strat is a bit too much.  Does this has anything to do with it? Or nasa fretboard radius din? :?

..of course, other types of strat tremolos are welcome here as well. :D


it's the fretboard radius.  american standards have a flatter 9.5" freboard radius as opposed to the 7.25" radius of the  MIJ 50's RI strat.  a manner to compensate for this smaller radius on the 50's RI is to stagger your saddles to follow the radius of the fingerboard.

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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2006, 08:48:45 AM »
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Newer trem, more solid pieces as oppose to older thinner pieces? Affect in tone? Hhmm... dunno. I like both.

Strat lover... I think I can't call myself as one, hehe :lol:
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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2006, 10:46:18 AM »
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then let's make this the official philmusic strat lovers thread, hehe.



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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2006, 10:49:10 AM »
ngaun ko lang nalaman ganda ng strat..nasubukan ko sakin sa Metal na tugtugan..ganda ng tunog.tska pati feel ng neck.ewan ko.before alangan ako sa strat pero astig pala tlga.gs2 ko pa ng isa pa.xempre FENDER pa din..
sana fixed bridge.hehe.. :D

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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2006, 10:52:12 AM »
Quote from: markthevirtuoso
I was wondering kung anong difference ng Vintage Style Tremolo sa American Series Tremolo. Once, i borrowed my friend's American Standard tas napansin ko yung action nya ay napakababa. So i tried adjusting my Strat's (now sold though) classic trem way low but then i got fret buzz issues. I tried setting it up again to my normal setting which is the lowest possible action i could get without having such problems but then the difference with the other strat is a bit too much.  Does this has anything to do with it? Or nasa fretboard radius din? :?

..of course, other types of strat tremolos are welcome here as well. :D


Baka naman dahil sa neck at frets kaya nagba-buzz pag ibinaba mo yung action. Kasi yung fretboard radius puedeng mai-compensate by adjusting the individual height of the saddles.

Not related to the buzz, mas makapal yung trem block nung lumang trem unit kesa sa mga bago. Kaya pa raw mas toneful yung mga sinaunang strats.

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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2006, 01:46:47 PM »
Ayos din yong MIM with noiseless pups thru MT2 and tube amp. Ganda ng dating. Quiet pa.

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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2006, 02:06:39 PM »
speaking of Strat bridges, may tanong din ako sa inyo mga pre.. kakapalit ko lang kasi ng strings (Fender Bullet 0.010s to GHS Boomers 0.010s) sa Strat ko (50th Anniv American with American Standard bridge), and whenever i use the vibrato bar, i hear a slight "tick" na di ko alam kung saang part nanggagaling. ang result nun is tumataas nang konti yung tuning ng 3rd string ko, probably by 3 cents or so. kelangan ko i-scoop up yung vibrato bar para bumalik sa tono. 3rd string lang yung nagkakaganito, yung iba naman hindi affected. weird! pano to remedyuhan guys? thanks!
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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2006, 03:17:53 PM »
Buti nalang ako mahilig sa strats na may mataas na action! Wla nman problema pag shreddin'... Actually ung 50s RI na nakuha ko na may mababang perfect action, tinaasan ko parin. nyahahah...
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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2006, 03:44:03 PM »
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and whenever i use the vibrato bar, i hear a slight "tick" na di ko alam kung saang part nanggagaling. ang result nun is tumataas nang konti yung tuning ng 3rd string ko, probably by 3 cents or so. kelangan ko i-scoop up yung vibrato bar para bumalik sa tono.

hindi kaya sa nut?
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« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2006, 03:53:59 PM »
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and whenever i use the vibrato bar, i hear a slight "tick" na di ko alam kung saang part nanggagaling. ang result nun is tumataas nang konti yung tuning ng 3rd string ko, probably by 3 cents or so. kelangan ko i-scoop up yung vibrato bar para bumalik sa tono.

hindi kaya sa nut?


probably.. what can i do to rectify it?
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« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2006, 04:03:32 PM »
Sabi nang friend ko na Strat afficionado, yung AMerican standard daw solid steel yung ilalim nang bridge yung kinakapitan nang spring while yung Jap daw is cast metal. Tama ba?
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« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2006, 06:39:53 PM »
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Sabi nang friend ko na Strat afficionado, yung AMerican standard daw solid steel yung ilalim nang bridge yung kinakapitan nang spring while yung Jap daw is cast metal. Tama ba?


Ya, solid steel blocks and saddles ng american standard. Ang mga Japanese standard ay may cast metal na blocks din kaso shaped somewhat like a vintage saddle. Yung mga reissue na 70s parang ganun din, parang classic pero blocks. The rest of the MIJ reissues probably have the "stamped" saddles which looks like sheet metals folded.
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« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2006, 08:49:53 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2006, 10:43:27 PM »
O yan pinalitan ko na title. hehe  :D

Thanks for all of your insights guys.

Kulas: Oo nga pre. Pucha, hinyang na hinayang ako. I still can't get over it. Kaso no choice eh. :(

...not unless someone will replace it with an authentic LP or ES335. :lol:
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« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2006, 10:48:57 PM »
woohooo strats I LOVE EM :D ...also LPs and teles :(  strats rock though 8)

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« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2006, 12:12:07 AM »
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speaking of Strat bridges, may tanong din ako sa inyo mga pre.. kakapalit ko lang kasi ng strings (Fender Bullet 0.010s to GHS Boomers 0.010s) sa Strat ko (50th Anniv American with American Standard bridge), and whenever i use the vibrato bar, i hear a slight "tick" na di ko alam kung saang part nanggagaling. ang result nun is tumataas nang konti yung tuning ng 3rd string ko, probably by 3 cents or so. kelangan ko i-scoop up yung vibrato bar para bumalik sa tono. 3rd string lang yung nagkakaganito, yung iba naman hindi affected. weird! pano to remedyuhan guys? thanks!


Napansin ko sa akin yong tick nang galing sa springs that holds the trem sa likod ng gitar. A little bit of KY Jelly :twisted:  (or whatever oil/lubs you guys have, hehe) solves the problema, :lol:

As far as the tuning prob. Napansin ko sa older style trem, sometimes with my newer style trem too, out of tune ako dahil yong string ay hindi naka pasok fully and not set right sa trem block. I also notice na problema din sa nut. Minsan sumasabit when you hit the trem bar down and goes back in tune when you pull the bar up. Again, konting himas himas lang ng KY Jelly (or preffered lube of choice, hehe :twisted: ) and your good to go!

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« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2006, 12:54:22 AM »
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speaking of Strat bridges, may tanong din ako sa inyo mga pre.. kakapalit ko lang kasi ng strings (Fender Bullet 0.010s to GHS Boomers 0.010s) sa Strat ko (50th Anniv American with American Standard bridge), and whenever i use the vibrato bar, i hear a slight "tick" na di ko alam kung saang part nanggagaling. ang result nun is tumataas nang konti yung tuning ng 3rd string ko, probably by 3 cents or so. kelangan ko i-scoop up yung vibrato bar para bumalik sa tono. 3rd string lang yung nagkakaganito, yung iba naman hindi affected. weird! pano to remedyuhan guys? thanks!


Napansin ko sa akin yong tick nang galing sa springs that holds the trem sa likod ng gitar. A little bit of KY Jelly :twisted:  (or whatever oil/lubs you guys have, hehe) solves the problema, :lol:

As far as the tuning prob. Napansin ko sa older style trem, sometimes with my newer style trem too, out of tune ako dahil yong string ay hindi naka pasok fully and not set right sa trem block. I also notice na problema din sa nut. Minsan sumasabit when you hit the trem bar down and goes back in tune when you pull the bar up. Again, konting himas himas lang ng KY Jelly (or preffered lube of choice, hehe :twisted: ) and your good to go!


"masisikip" pala ang mga Strat, kelangan pa ng pangpadulas hehe.. inobserve ko yung guitar ko while playing around with the vibrato bar, and i think nasa nut nga yung problema. pano ayusin to without replacing it? lalagyan ko na lang talaga ng konting lubricant yung nut at springs sa trem? thanks in advance! :)
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« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2006, 02:32:32 AM »
modern strats have 2 point trems..mas solid pati yung steel na ginamit compared to the classice ones...yung classic style trem, kinakalawang pati yung saddles.
the classic trems have 6 screws na directly naka screw sa body, so if you use the trem bar often, better use the modern strats.
about action, mahirap nga mag adjust ng action ng strats..di lang height ng bridge at saddles and kelangan i-consider...dapat pati concave/convex ng truss rod i-adjust..
and +1 don sa radius comment. mas round yung classics, compensate mo na lang sa height ng saddles.

about lubricating the nut, lapis lang ang sagot dyan :) kuha ka ng lapis, tapos sulatan/lagyan mo ng lead yung nut slots. solb na yan.

me, a big fender strat lover... ive tried and owned teles, ibanez's, les pauls, sa strat pa rin ako in the end...although di pa ko nakakatry ng musicmans and PRS's, and the Parkers are nice to play.

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« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2006, 08:46:31 AM »
haha love my strats too..  :) nakakainis lang kasi andaming peke sa kung saan saan.. :D  americans have all stainless steel bridges, diba?..