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Offline Ja!

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starting your sound n lights system
« on: July 05, 2010, 10:04:50 PM »
dumaan ka ba sa hirap...



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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2010, 07:50:45 AM »
Ja! from our experience, we've been to many difficult times, even more than the happy times. but of course, nasa hilig yata yan. i have some tips though.

It has been a common perception that when we start a business, what we first think of is CAPITAL. But men, I learned that there is no real power in money, rather, in knowledge real power rests! :-D Hindi po ba ganun si Bill Gates? How I wish I could start from zero again. Anyway, my point is to have the knowledge first of all the different equip. Damihan mo na ang log-in time mo sa DIYaudio, Prosoundweb, Speakerplans, at of course sa PHILMusic! Minsan nga kailangan mo magbasa ng Russian at Chinese (Google translation na lang) Sa tingin ko, mas mahalaga na mabili mo ang tamang gadgets kaysa naman afterwards naririnig rinig mo lang na ito maganda yon hindi, but at the end mali pa rin ang gear na nabili mo. :lol: sa pag gawa ng research, sinasabi nila na we need to build upon or start on the knowledge that have already been discovered by others. aalamin muna natin yon. there are comments like "marami pera at marami na ring nabili na gears, pero kahit polarity ng speakers hindi alam". Minsan hindi naiisip na mahalaga maghanap ng magaling na tech. isasali na rin yong magiging service ng gears.

After having the "correct" knowledge as to the things you want to buy, you have to draw a vision or a plan of your business. For example, you want a mobile disco but will later on will shift into live band...etc. another is if you want a Pro audio or medium quality lang. Pag Pro, doon kana sa mga RCF (dream ko na rin yong line array nila, bili na ako ng lotto ticket!!!!), QSC, Mackie, Soundcraft, (at kasali ko na rin ang mga gawa nila sir John MB series na boxes) etc.  hihihi hindi ka mabibitin. pero kapag medium quality lang, the Chinese alternative brands will do. BTW, the Chinese brands are getting better and better, but you will always have "durability" issues. when it comes to gears, meron laging entry level, then mid level, then the best ones. Your plan will also set the "limit" of the budget. You have to have a limiter in your pocket men, maraming ng seaman na kinakalaban ng kanilang misis.  :-D draft the plan, list the gears, indicate the time table kung kelan mabili. then  ipakita sa mga reliable friends, and then sa different suppliers ang plan mo, and try to make a deal. Minsan, to make a direct import is reasonable. 

yon lang sa akin. opinion ko lang po ito. pagkatapos noon, practice and enjoy! :-D
 



Offline N1X

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Re: starting your sound n lights system
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2010, 01:08:55 PM »
Sobang hirap :))

lalo na pag wala ka pera at nag iisa ka lang mag invest

swerte ng bagong grupo ngayon may china na

Offline ryanbairan

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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2010, 05:49:26 PM »
mahirap talaga !!!

 i start at amplifier yung ''T.E.L. assemble'' lang 100watts per chanel, so par po my QSC na at crown MA.......thanks GOD :-) ,
hindi ako nag-madali habang tumatagal mas natutu ako mas napipili ko yung dapat at tamang gamit. na kailangan ko.
tama yung sabi ni Sir luffy "yung iba hindi alam kung ano yung tamang polarity ng speaker"

keep it up :)

Offline Ja!

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Re: starting your sound n lights system
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2010, 10:33:16 PM »
thanks sa mga reply nyo lalo na kay sir luffy,i'm not starting though,been in the business(or hobby?) for 16 years.gusto ko lng malaman mga experiences nyo,bukod pa sa mga opinion sa technical issues.mahirap talaga sa una,madaming maling bili ng gears.swerte mga bagong nagsesetup ngayon ,madami na pagpipilian ng gears.
i guess "hilig" lang talaga kaya tumatagal,di din kasi ganon kalaki ang kita,yung experience lng talaga sa bawat set-up ang di mababayaran.
i miss the days of westrak amps,koito bulbs,plaka na tig 1,500(ultimix 50th),mga bootleg na plaka sa cindy's at soliman sa raon...


Offline alvin_north

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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2013, 07:22:32 AM »
Pahabol lang to share my experience:

I'm from Meycauayan, Bulacan. Way back 90's, I own an outdated JBL 4520, Dual 15" J box made by MB, tapos 4 na MR Series, 2 Westrak Amp, ang liit ng setup dba? But that sounded loud enough, mahirap maka survive sa harap ng JBL 4520 despite it's 15" speakers only, gamit ko pa is Crown PA1550 lang.

My friends thought me how to setup proper signal/power output rating para hindi distorted and audio, maintain it clean hard and loud. Also a friend thought me how to modify lights, how to enhance and focus para pag party mode, mukhang elegant and lighting kahit outdated.

Swerte ng iba jan, they started with Crown audio, DBX, Numark, etc. full pack ika nga. Retired na setup ko, already been sold, di na kasi masyado uso street parties eh. Sa mga nagsisimula, try to ask veterans how to properly setup, tapos don't expect revenue, this is just hobby, unless you have someone to market ayun swerte ka talaga lagi ka may labas.

Offline apeng

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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2013, 08:21:29 AM »
salamat sa share mga ser. medyo mahirap nga sa simula. zero knowledge talaga sa umpisa, basa-basa rito ng mga tips mula sa mga batikan.

isa sa mga una kong ginawa ay kontakin yung mga barkada ko na may first hand business. ng lights & sounds.
tas nilatag nya agad ang do's and don't base sa karanasan nya.

Tama ang sabi ni luffy dapat may vision at business plan ka.
Be realistic din, kung anu yung budget, dapat ma maximized mo ng maayos.

goodluck sa atin! =)

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Re: starting your sound n lights system
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2013, 08:41:24 AM »
Nice thread! :-)

Offline Asurada666

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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2013, 06:37:59 PM »
Nice thread! mga sir, hoping na may mag share pa ng idea or experience ng mga veterans in this kind of business or hobby.

personally im planning to have mini band setup for small production here in cavite to help some underground band na maka tugtug, but still nag iipon parin ng mga good idea at good gear, i will follow the advice of sir Luffy. and this thread.
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Offline shaggy

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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2013, 11:53:13 AM »
Share ko lang experiences ko dito sa business na to. It started as a hobby nung 1988. Uso noon yung 89.1 DMZ mobile circuit. Every friday inaantay ko na ito and I very much enjoyed listening  to different mixes and scratches ng mga local amatuer dj's at naisip ko na sumubok rin baka kako matutunan ko. Just to join the bandwagon, i bought 2 turntables na "Electown" ang brand (nilalagyan ko pa ng 25 cents ung tone arm para bumigat at di tumalon pag nag-scratch) at isang audio mixer na "Better" ang brand. A couple of LP's from Odyssee and Soliman at yun.. mixing-scratching then dumiretso na. First experience ay noong small party ng kapit bahay namin..(libre ito hehehe) naglabas ako ng 2 speakers ng erpat ko at yung pioneer na ampli namin. bili ng strobe light na parang itlog na nilalagay lang sa ordinary socket ng ilaw ...then sayawan na. I never thought na ito na pala ang break. Normally sa business natin..word of mouth lang para makilala at masubukan ka... Using my old stuffs, i added speakers na malalaki para mukhang serious at professional. puros DIY lang noon. 25 years passed at andito pa rin ako sa business na ito and still enjoying every bit of it. Have already disposed ALL old equipment except the LP's (Ultimix, Wicked Mix, Funkymixx etc.) kse naisip ko na dito talaga nagsimula ang lahat and of course ito rin lang ang hindi nasisira if kept well :)

Piece of advice for those who want to succeed in this business..
1) Be courteous to your customers (this includes your crew syempre),
2) No surprises (kung ano ang napag-usapan dapat yun ang gawin at ise-setup)
3) Be mindful of time (nakainis yung na-lalate)
4) Good gears (hindi naman ibig sabihin pag branded ay perfect or okay na.. there are a lot out there na mura, matibay, maayos and serves the purpose--ika nga "bang for the buck")
5) Logistics (eg. Bodega, delivery vehicle etc..  be realistic kse mahirap ata mag-business pag wala nito)
6) Presentation (Dapat mukhang bagong ligo naman mga crew at malinis mga gamit otherwise di na kayo kukunin hehehe)  7) Perseverance and Patience (Daming factors nakakubos nito like.. palpak na setup, makulit na client, nangongotong na mga traffic enforcers, problematic crew etc..)
8) Respect and trust your crew, staff (always think na mahirap ang trabaho nila at mahirap ma-move forward kung wala sila...) 
9) Client (pag wala nito... eh uwian na hehee:) be it small or big client, you just have to give the same treatment.
10) Lastly join orgs, seminars etc.. dito ka makakakuha ng tips


Hope this helps!!!



Offline Ja!

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Re: starting your sound n lights system
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2013, 10:35:39 PM »
yun oh :wave:

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« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2013, 03:41:38 AM »
so malamang ako ang nagsisimula talaga.here are the reasons why i am investing in a good soundsystem/band eqipment:

1.lagi ako may pa event.be it underground bands or yung mga pista pista.

2.mahal rumenta, minsan taga ang presyo

3.di reliable ang gamit. at tao.(lol)

eto na so far nabibili ko:

1. 2 dual speaker towers with tweeter.tnt yung 2 15 inches na tnt speakers.500 watts each plus 450watts tweeter.

2. mixer.got 2.isang presonus firestation na recording mixer at isang org 8 channel mixer.

3.mics,i got three.

4.mackie fr 1200 power amp.

5. guitars amps namely: 1. ibanez tbx120r dula 12 inches, laney lg65r, fender "raon" tube amp. still pending to buy back the raul quesado tube amp and another laney lg65r.

6. 2 bass amps:  1.ashdown 515 100 watts bass amp 2.raon made 300 watts bass amp

7.drumset: yamaha stage custom with sabian cymbals.


my goal:

1. to be able to hold gigs every month at bars and small gyms.

2.to stage a concert type event every month with soundsystem reinforcement for the loudness.

i have been tasked by a major beer company to hold these gigs/events monthly hence, i need 2 band set up para di na ako gumastos pa.i reckon the raon made equipment that i have could be used with monthly "gasgasan, kaskasn" type of underground gigs while the decent equipment goes with the more professional set up.

heres the question, say i would like to build up 2 band setup/sound equipment, what more equipment would i need?and can you please list the items here?tia! :-D
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« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2013, 04:21:47 AM »
Dami png kulang sir,dpt my subwoofer,stage monitor, drums at instruments mike, mga cabling, compresor/limtr, eq, xover,effects at ilaw pa sa stage.

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« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2013, 06:22:05 AM »
Dami png kulang sir,dpt my subwoofer,stage monitor, drums at instruments mike, mga cabling, compresor/limtr, eq, xover,effects at ilaw pa sa stage.

ill be getting subs soon.yung stage monitor mga ilang watts dapat?hmm.tama vocal mics  pa lang meron ako.yung ilaw dati na pala ako meron.
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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2013, 07:43:47 AM »
ill be getting subs soon.yung stage monitor mga ilang watts dapat?hmm.tama vocal mics  pa lang meron ako.yung ilaw dati na pala ako meron.

Ok na yung mga 300-400watts bro pero kahit wala nang monitor dun sa "gasgasan/kaskasan"  :lol:

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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2013, 11:55:42 AM »
Ok na yung mga 300-400watts bro pero kahit wala nang monitor dun sa "gasgasan/kaskasan"  :lol:

alright!hehe.i already got a target on that.i mean yung kaskasan kasi alma mo na pag ug, plug, play and destroy.kaya mga cheap but okay na gamit ang ilagay natin.so bands can enjoy themselves, im a fan of reallr dirty, loud and aggressive playing.hahahaha.
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Offline apeng

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« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2013, 12:45:48 PM »
mga ser ng rent ba kayo ng sasakyan or bumili ng second hand? alin kaya mas practical?

Offline ryanbairan

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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2013, 04:53:27 PM »
mga ser ng rent ba kayo ng sasakyan or bumili ng second hand? alin kaya mas practical?
bos before pumapara ako ng jeep sa kanto namin pag my setup, tapos ng rent din ako sa tropa AC sound system ang ng paparent sakin then nakabili na ako ng second hand na sasakyan :) mas okay kung bibili ka na lang make sure na okay pa yung  pang ilalim at makina..

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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2013, 10:29:46 PM »
bos before pumapara ako ng jeep sa kanto namin pag my setup, tapos ng rent din ako sa tropa AC sound system ang ng paparent sakin then nakabili na ako ng second hand na sasakyan :) mas okay kung bibili ka na lang make sure na okay pa yung  pang ilalim at makina..

salamat ser, medyo malaki nga napupunta sa transpo pag ng renta.
nice website btw, dami ko napulot na ideas.  :)

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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2013, 10:56:53 PM »
ill be getting subs soon.yung stage monitor mga ilang watts dapat?hmm.tama vocal mics  pa lang meron ako.yung ilaw dati na pala ako meron.

you can save pg powered speaker na yn bibilihin para sa monitor.

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« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2013, 11:13:27 AM »
alin po ba sa ngun ang mas ok pag ipunan para sa ganitong bussiness?mga active o passive po?ng baband set-up din po kami
at sound system,pero nag uumpisa palang po ako,hehe :)thanks po..

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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2016, 01:38:10 AM »
Good read. Salamat sa mga nag share dito. Planning rin sana to for a sideline. Para lang nandon pa rin passion kahit sa negosyo. Any more tips to help fellow musician who plans to venture this kind of business?
Planning for a Band Rehearsal Studio business. Baka may alam kayong space for rent around QC area lang. Please PM me. Thank you.